Sprinkle sprinkle

[Grumpy]

A month ago, I decided to wrap up work early and have a little treat. I took myself out to a hotel bar and sat alone reading in the sun, while people socialised in twos and threes around me. Someone bought me a drink, and a little while later, a woman leaned over to me on her way out and said: “Sprinkle sprinkle.”

She was quoting the catchphrase of the YouTuber SheraSeven, the viral sensation and self-styled “financial adviser” whose advice I had inadvertently followed. The way to get wealthy men to buy you drinks, Shera says, is to go to high-end bars alone before the after-work rush.

Over the past few months, a number of straight-talking, self-help gurus for women (often described half-jokingly in the comment section as “the female Andrew Tate”) have been blowing up on TikTok. SheraSeven (real name Leticia Padua) has been attracting a large audience of young women. Despite not even having a TikTok account herself, clips that have cross-pollinated from her YouTube have racked up almost 20bn views and counting. The phrase “sprinkle sprinkle”, which she uses to bookend her most sage advice, has now taken on a life of its own.

Shera advises women over the age of 25 to seek out and date older, affluent men and to actively play games to get them. This includes hiding your insecurities from potential partners and using reverse psychology to manipulate men, so you can imitate intimacy without the risk that comes with true vulnerability. For example, if you’re feeling jealous because a man you’re dating doesn’t pick up his phone, you should pretend you were calling for help with a flat tyre – but then had to get another man to step in. Once they’ve locked a man down, she argues, women should push for them to pay for all of their household bills and expenses. Men without money are “dusties” and not to be entertained.

But veering away from the stereotype of the 1950s housewife, and its modern iteration, the tradwife, SheraSeven doesn’t suggest women must take on domestic responsibilities such as cooking, cleaning and child-rearing in exchange for financial support. A man of means can hire people to help with that. You are there to look beautiful and be worshipped. This is presumably what makes her gospel so attractive – so much so that other women have started documenting their own sprinkle sprinkle journeys, updating their audience as they follow Shera’s advice.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/09/female-andrew-tate-influencer-dating-debt-man-bills

  Please show yourself to the curb girl, you're not adult enough for me! 

[Trenchcoat]

More western women entitlement bs, all about western woman's greed, give me, give me, give me.

Part will depend on whether the woman is attractive enough and looking for a long term thing. If it's just trying to use some rich guy to try to sort out her sh*tty financial position for a short term fix she might end up disappointed.

[krimster2]

the problem with that kind of "manipulative woman" ALWAYS becomes readily apparant
no way they CONCEAL THIS!!!
it's right out front,
soon as you encounter it
if you stick around, you're an idiot

I have literally raised my hand, paid the check, and took women back to their home, barely into the date after I experienced this type of domineering, controlling, entitled behavior....
they'll be somone else's problem, sure as hell not gonna end up being mine...
'spossiba bog, I say as they shut my car door...


it's why you poor desperate incels are gonna be "sad little puppies"
you won't be able to let go like this
OMG!!! you're gonna keep callin 'em
maybe they'll be nice to you, maybe not...maybe ya gotta play their little game whaever it is
none of ya'll are smart enuff, experienced enuff, to understand
only thing you're worried about is, am I gonna have pooty tang, or NOT?
no other sentiment gets considered, due to the dire, overpowering nature of this one

[Boethius]

More western women entitlement bs, all about western woman's greed, give me, give me, give me.

How is this any different from the PUA crap you endorse?

[Trenchcoat]

How is this any different from the PUA crap you endorse?

I don't recall that I ever endorsed PUA crap. In general I would say like 2tallbill says that it's easier to go on dating sites and be more sure that the girl is up for dating and cut out all the she already has a bf, is married, etc crap.

Sure I can see what you are getting at guys springing PUA crap with the intention of getting laid. Possibly some may do it for a long term date prospect. So her the girl is doing it to get the guy paying her bills and fleecing him. Whether one is better or worse than the other who knows but I just know I don't like the completely self interest of the girl. Getting off with a girl I assume the girl decides if to accept and gets something out of it herself in terms of enjoyment, etc.

[krimster2]

if necessity is the mother of invention
horniness must be the father

30+ yr old women, generally have a condition called "twitching ovaries"
this condition is exasperated by exposure to small children

so take your relative's kids somewhere with large crowds of women
and just reel 'em in baby....

In Russia, I'd get two kinds of fish snapping at that bait (walking with my daughters)
first, would be teenage girls, who wanted to talk broken English with us (they would pester us all the time!)
and second, drunk older women, 30ish who wanted to hug me and my daughters
when they kiss your cheek, your hand can lightly graze her breast
and then you look her straight in the eye...
give the kids 20 pounds, and head off with the woman, and meet back there in a couple of hours
kids know nothing about what ya did, and don't care anyway!!!
this is what smart dads in Russia do!
cuz, these 30+ yr olds, all have MAJOR "daddy issues"
and when they see their dream daddy (well dressed, with daughters fashionably dressed)
they want their daddy to love them to...

Charles's image on sterling is hideous!!
will Britain phase out all sterling with QE II?
I hoarded a bunch of QE II silver and gold coins
for the future apocalypse
gotta have a diverse monetary base

[Boethius]

I don't recall that I ever endorsed PUA crap. In general I would say like 2tallbill says that it's easier to go on dating sites and be more sure that the girl is up for dating and cut out all the she already has a bf, is married, etc crap.

Sure I can see what you are getting at guys springing PUA crap with the intention of getting laid. Possibly some may do it for a long term date prospect. So her the girl is doing it to get the guy paying her bills and fleecing him. Whether one is better or worse than the other who knows but I just know I don't like the completely self interest of the girl. Getting off with a girl I assume the girl decides if to accept and gets something out of it herself in terms of enjoyment, etc.

You used to quote Roosh.  You referred to taking PUA material with you. That suggests an endorsement to me.

[Trenchcoat]

You used to quote Roosh.  You referred to taking PUA material with you. That suggests an endorsement to me.

Roosh didn't just use PUA stuff, there was PUA that Roosh used and it was interesting to read but there was other stuff that he also learned whilst out in Ukraine, etc.

I may have taken PUA material but I never endorsed it, it was more just out of interest to see if it had any traction. For some it may do but for me not so. Most of the time I use online dating sites when abroad I find it way easier. Never have I done an overt pick up whilst in the FSU. I never saw it as that easy or successful to pull off a pick up so unless the girls were going to come to me or an obvious opportunity presented itself I never saw any point going with it or endorsing it.

[Trenchcoat]

if necessity is the mother of invention
horniness must be the father

30+ yr old women, generally have a condition called "twitching ovaries"
this condition is exasperated by exposure to small children

so take your relative's kids somewhere with large crowds of women
and just reel 'em in baby....

In Russia, I'd get two kinds of fish snapping at that bait (walking with my daughters)
first, would be teenage girls, who wanted to talk broken English with us (they would pester us all the time!)
and second, drunk older women, 30ish who wanted to hug me and my daughters
when they kiss your cheek, your hand can lightly graze her breast
and then you look her straight in the eye...
give the kids 20 pounds, and head off with the woman, and meet back there in a couple of hours
kids know nothing about what ya did, and don't care anyway!!!
this is what smart dads in Russia do!
cuz, these 30+ yr olds, all have MAJOR "daddy issues"
and when they see their dream daddy (well dressed, with daughters fashionably dressed)
they want their daddy to love them to...

Charles's image on sterling is hideous!!
will Britain phase out all sterling with QE II?
I hoarded a bunch of QE II silver and gold coins
for the future apocalypse
gotta have a diverse monetary base

Saw a youngish Mum today with a couple of kids about 5 ish or so. She said hi and gave me a chirpy look, my guess is if I wanted to go for her I could. Attractive enough looking but my reading was on the look out for a guy to provide for someone else's offspring. For the guy more kids with her she probably wouldn't want but she would probably give sex in return for being her new provider where the other one likely failed.

It kind of amused me how women treat and value men. If I had met her as a single woman then she probably wouldn't give me the time of day over other prospects that may appear at first sight to be better. However a lot of guys do stuff for show but everything ends up dangling by a thread, a posh car, accomodation, etc. With rising interest rates (now just been put up to 5.25 percent from 5 percent in the UK) and job losses looking like they are mounting and little shift the wrong way can bring some guy's fragile house of cards come crashing down.

That's when women wave goodbye to their much former loved hubby/partner and look around for stable guys to pick up the pieces. Not wishing to be the clean up guy for some woman's poor choice of guy I don't pick up the bone. I would rather be a single guy than just be seen by some woman as a guy to clean up after another.

I agree I don't want to see Charlie's face on bank notes either though fortunately it looks like we might be moving to a cashless society soon

[krimster2]

you have all the "social wisdom" of a village hermit Trench...
living in a "co-operative social group" is gonna be MUCH more advantageous for survival in the "new future"
compared to being solo...
kids in the group builds group cohesion
all the kids YOU raise are YOUR KIDS!!!

I got 4 kids now (wife almost qualifies as the fifth, as I had to teach her "everything" to live in the USA)
I have 2 of my own kids, plus their Russian spouses
and in a couple of years, there's gonna be a new crop of Amer-Rus
which will keep my wife very busy

if Russians are managed by Americans, they work much more effectively
and you can get them to do most of the work, and you get MOST of the rewards!!!
cuz they're freakin Russian and that's just how it works!!!
never waste an opportunity when dealing with Russians

if only Americans would put me in charge of dealing with the Russian Federation...

Trench, i'm sorry mate, but come over here, and have a seat...
look...
romance is a lot like carpentry
it's a skill you learn through experience....
and let's face facts
you can barely grasp a hammer
ok...

so...
find some wood
find some nails
and get busy

off you go now, there's a good fellow!!!


if god judges you for the bad things that you do
and the devil judges you for the good...
who is innocent?


I feel the Russian arsonists on the east coast...
and the Russian hit squad in mexico
it's the residual effects of the training and nootropics I received in Russia several yrs ago at the "Clinic"
plus I was doing my own as well!!!
Russians had me solving word and math puzzles for hours on end
good times

[Daveman]

More western women entitlement bs, all about western woman's greed, give me, give me, give me.

Part will depend on whether the woman is attractive enough and looking for a long term thing. If it's just trying to use some rich guy to try to sort out her sh*tty financial position for a short term fix she might end up disappointed.

Pretty sure these kinds of conversations have been going on amongst women since the time we supermales were in the field slaughtering or being slaughtered by mammoths, et. al.

It really doesn't matter what they talk about or what their nefarious plots entail. You follow the attraction rule and just pay attention and you will not fall prey to conniving succubi!  Fortunately good women connive as well, otherwise we'd always remain single.

[Bee Farmer]

How is this any different from the PUA crap you endorse?

I think the difference is that the PUA guys don't believe they are entitled to sex, and they aren't using deception. The PUA guys are looking for a girl who wants the same thing the guy wants - fun for a night.

The PUA stuff is more about learning to recognize the impulsive girls who will agree to have meaningless sex with a guy they just met, and how to encourage her to be impulsive.  The PUA stuff is about not wasting your time on girls that will require more effort.  The PUA stuff is about a guy who wants sex without a commitment or relationship, and how to recognize a girl who is interested in the same thing.

The entitlement western women often use deception to lead a guy on, trying to make him think she will have a relationship with him if he gives her money.  Or the attitude that if she does have a relationship with him, then he owes her a certain level of financial support.  It involves a girl who is not serious about a relationship, looking for a guy who is serious about a relationship, so that she can take advantage of him for financial purposes.

Neither situation will lead to a healthy relationship, but the PUA guys are not trying to deceive the girls. 

[krimster2]

in Russia
Girls Pick-UP YOU!!!

so you let them make the introductory move
women are all posessed with a strong cat-like sense of curiosity
so you have to learn how to appeal to that
it's actually ridiculously simple to do that there
once you freakin know HOW!

when you're THERE
you will meet a LOT of Russian wimmin who are VERY CURIOUS about the west
Russians are a VERY "social" people compared to most Americans
when you're in Russia
you have no choice but to "entertain" Russians, it's expected of you

if you can't "score" in these conditions
then may gawd have pity on you
cuz it means you gonna be eternally celibate, celebrate your celibacy!!!

all you "little goobers" had better get your life together...
covid, ukrainian war, are nothing compared to what's coming down the road

those of you living your solitary existence will be the first to experience "distress"
groups will be able to ride out the coming storm together better than individuals

don't ya'll see how EVERYTHING BAD is converging together in the future!!
like the light all refracted and bent down into a single point

don't ya'll SEE IT!!!!!
WTF???


today's word is "Micro-Nuke"
why are the instruments of death so beautiful and so fascinating
what does that tell you about US
what do we REALLY LOVE?

[krimster2]

russian stattistics on inflation are like any other kremlin supplied information
complete nonsense

for durable goods, inflation is around 50% since start of the war
prices get updated weekly in retail

the people lose money
while the oligarchs gain what the people lose
so yeah, keep fighting for the oligarchs

this is why some Russians (who get it) were cheering Wagner
cuz Prigozhin was tellin it like it is, the war was started by oligarchs to enrich themselves like vultures by feeding on ukraine's corpse after they kill it
THAT was the whole reason for the war, everything else is propaganda for show

yeah, you fightin imaginary Nazis boy LOL, guess it's why you stealin washing machines, so the nazis can't use em
you get the washing machine, oligarchs get the farms and factories that ya'll killed and died for
that makes you a chump, a fool, and not a HERO of the Russian people, you freakin pridorki

[Trenchcoat]

russian stattistics on inflation are like any other kremlin supplied information
complete nonsense

for durable goods, inflation is around 50% since start of the war
prices get updated weekly in retail

Wow, that's shockingly high inflation and we think we got it bad here lol. Makes you wonder how much longer the Russian economy can keep on going and how much longer before the Russian people's desperation turns against the government. Even the Russian army could turn if things get real bad. They might follow along now but even back in WWI they finally could only take so much.

[Trenchcoat]

I think the difference is that the PUA guys don't believe they are entitled to sex, and they aren't using deception. The PUA guys are looking for a girl who wants the same thing the guy wants - fun for a night.

The PUA stuff is more about learning to recognize the impulsive girls who will agree to have meaningless sex with a guy they just met, and how to encourage her to be impulsive.  The PUA stuff is about not wasting your time on girls that will require more effort.  The PUA stuff is about a guy who wants sex without a commitment or relationship, and how to recognize a girl who is interested in the same thing.

The entitlement western women often use deception to lead a guy on, trying to make him think she will have a relationship with him if he gives her money.  Or the attitude that if she does have a relationship with him, then he owes her a certain level of financial support.  It involves a girl who is not serious about a relationship, looking for a guy who is serious about a relationship, so that she can take advantage of him for financial purposes.

Neither situation will lead to a healthy relationship, but the PUA guys are not trying to deceive the girls.

Well said Beefarmer

Have to see if Counsel can argue against that one


What gets me though with women in the west is so many seem to have the laudy opinion that men are stupid dimwits that are just there to suit their purpose if they have one for them. We ain't some 'thing' to serve them as required and unfortunately such self help guru's like above just reinforce this stupid notion that we are. There's women out there that seem to think men are too thick to realise and the game is all played in their hands. I've come across girls before who just don't figure that I as a man have a brain and can quickly clue in to them thinking I will follow what they want like a sheep. So silly to assume the opposite sex doesn't think and know what is going on I think yet so many of this dating guru's seem to do it as if it's a one sided game.

[Boethius]

PUA do deceive girls.  They use flattery, manipulation, and even physical coercion to bed women.  That's exactly why Andrew Tate is facing potential charges in Romania.


The vast majority of men are not PUA.  Similarly, the vast majority of WW do not attempt to deceive, manipulate, or coerce men. 


Men who must denigrate WW to justify "looking abroad" are lying to themselves.  That's fine.  Just don't expect me to believe those lies.

[krimster2]

people aren't divided between being "good people" or "bad people"
the division exists in each person who has both good and bad qualities
one of the bad qualities MANY women have is to use deception and manipulation with men
I doubt there isn't a man on the planet who HASN'T experienced it
and I doubt there isn't a woman on the planet who hasn't engaged in it (except for you BO)

all's fair in love and war, right...?
the ends always justifies the means

assume it's true, that an American man will have more value to a Ukrainian woman, than he will have to an American woman...
"his value" determines the quality of partners he can choose from
so logically, he will be able to seek higher quality partners in Ukraine compared to the USA as a result of the difference in HIS value

as someone who has had "more than one" relationship with American and Ukrainian women
let me set ya straight

it's a "night and day" difference between American and Ukrainian women
American women are like Barbie princesses compared to hard working, industrious Ukrainian women, cuz that's the difference in culture between the USA vrs Ukraine,
average American women don't grow up with the expectation from society that they have to do anything difficult
and that's not true in Ukraine, women have to work hard there, even as children
there are not too many casual Friday's in Ukraine

so not only can you expect to date more attractive women in Ukraine, due to YOUR higher value there
you can also expect much more of a hardworking partner compared to an American one

all my friends who married American women are divorced and unhappy
not me...
I live in a paradise cuz I married well...

Ukrainian women are a god's gift to a man
there is no treasure on this earth greater
what makes you goobers think you're worthy of such a gift?
huh?

stop your goobering!!
and get real dewds
time
 is
  running
   out

[Boethius]

I have never used deception with my husband (only man I have loved in a romantic way), or with anyone else. I would manipulate the BH if I could, but he can’t be manipulated. His ability to see through people is why he survived in the USSR and was never jailed.

[Trenchcoat]

in Russia
Girls Pick-UP YOU!!!

so you let them make the introductory move
women are all posessed with a strong cat-like sense of curiosity
so you have to learn how to appeal to that
it's actually ridiculously simple to do that there
once you freakin know HOW!

when you're THERE
you will meet a LOT of Russian wimmin who are VERY CURIOUS about the west
Russians are a VERY "social" people compared to most Americans
when you're in Russia
you have no choice but to "entertain" Russians, it's expected of you

if you can't "score" in these conditions
then may gawd have pity on you
cuz it means you gonna be eternally celibate, celebrate your celibacy!!!

all you "little goobers" had better get your life together...
covid, ukrainian war, are nothing compared to what's coming down the road

those of you living your solitary existence will be the first to experience "distress"
groups will be able to ride out the coming storm together better than individuals

don't ya'll see how EVERYTHING BAD is converging together in the future!!
like the light all refracted and bent down into a single point

don't ya'll SEE IT!!!!!
WTF???


today's word is "Micro-Nuke"
why are the instruments of death so beautiful and so fascinating
what does that tell you about US
what do we REALLY LOVE?

I assume it's not done by sitting in a park reading an English book? as that didn't work for me lol.

If you mean we are all going to be micro nuked and need to get with someone with good shelter then I am well placed My townhouse in Wales has thick stone walls half a metre deep and triple glazing. The ensuite toilets are the safest place to weather a nuclear storm in the house but visitors should bring own packed lunch

[krimster2]

"I assume it's not done by sitting in a park reading an English book? as that didn't work for me lol."

however, that totally works in China, BUT half the people approaching you will be kids
be VERY nice to the kids, I carried little gifts like US coins to hand out
that scores ya points with the young college girls watching
and then they'll want a coin to

3 ft walls!!! wow!
Wales?
Do you live near Abergivinny(spelling?)
remember that old UK pop music, back in the 60s/70s? with that title?
good times...

your husband was a Лицо еврейской национальности in the good 'ole CCCP
how many generations of "seeing through people" does it take before you see the "truth'?
and then what, once you do?
does the truth really set you free from all the lies you've been told?

[Boethius]

Nope. His family were nobility. Very famous names in his family line. It’s a miracle his branch survived, but that’s another story.

[krimster2]

one picture will explain everything...

[ML]

Women never forget a promise.

[Bee Farmer]

PUA do deceive girls.  They use flattery, manipulation, and even physical coercion to bed women.  That's exactly why Andrew Tate is facing potential charges in Romania.


The vast majority of men are not PUA.  Similarly, the vast majority of WW do not attempt to deceive, manipulate, or coerce men. 


Men who must denigrate WW to justify "looking abroad" are lying to themselves.  That's fine.  Just don't expect me to believe those lies.

Wait a minute.  Did I just hear you right?  You are equating flattery with rape and sexual assault? (That's what Tate is charged with.)

Anyone who suggests that the vast majority of WW do not deceive, manipulate, or coerce men is ignoring reality. 
How many women will give a man her phone number, even if she has no intention of dating him? Yet she deceives the man into thinking she will give him a chance.
How many women try to manipulate the guy into buying her things?
How many women use shaming tactics to browbeat men?
What percentage of women file for divorce, compared to men filing?  The women deceive the men and trick them into marriage, so she can file for divorce to take half the man's money.
How many women withhold sex to manipulate a guy?
How many women wear make-up to deceive guys into thinking she looks better than she really does?

Men marry women expecting that they won't change, but they do.
Women marry men expecting that the man will change, but he doesn't. 

Not all PUA rape, traffic women, or form criminal organizations to sexually exploit women.
I think most PUA are slick talkers who often use alcohol to convince women to engage in impulsive sex.  Just visit a bar to see who the bar flies go home with.  And they are picking up women who went to the bar looking for a guy who would seduce them.

[Boethius]

Read the reports of women he bedded. They were targeted with PUA tactics.

The vast majority of WW do not deceive, manipulate, or coerce. Only in the weird world of WM who believe they can develop a quick connection with a woman from an economically disadvantaged part of the world, is this denigration of WW viewed as the gospel. If all you experienced among WW was deception and coercion, you should be looking at what attracts you to such women.

Adultery is one of the leading causes of divorce (though not listed as such in no fault states). Moreover, women are far more likely to initiate divorce against a cheating spouse because they will retain custody of their children. What they will do, which men usually won’t, is bide their time until it’s the best time to leave.

I wear makeup. I am not, and never have, worn it to “deceive” a man.  I do it for myself. Are men who dress sharply and shave “deceiving” women?  Frankly, I think this statement by you is ludicrous.

[krimster2]

alas, poor BeeFarmer
weeping bitter tears of indignation at having been treated unfairly by the fairer sex...
instead of thanking them...
for their effort of  tryin to tell him something he seems incapable of understanding

[ML]

I have not had the negative experiences with WW that some here talk about.
All the WW that I have interactions with (not romantically) seem like very decent gals.
I am sure there are the bad apples, but we just don't seem to cross paths.

So why did I search for a FSU gal?
I have stated my situation here many times before.
I wanted a gal above average in height, high intelligence, at least average to good looking in face, slender body build and still very interested in a lot of sex (which meant they were much younger than me).
Were there such women in USA?
Yes, but they weren't interested (enough) in me . . . mostly the younger criteria.

In FSU, I could use my economic advantage to obtain women meeting my criteria.

There was a lot of true friendship attraction (with benefits) to me from several women, including the one I am now married to.

And, just as a coincidence, my economic advantage situation was not needed by her.
Her superior (relative to FSU women) economic situation was/is quite rare.

A mutual friendship attraction luckily turned to substantial love; perhaps also a rarity.

[krimster2]

our narcissistic culture, has created a lot of entitled people who have an exaggerated feeling of self-importance and who lack empathy for others...
of course, someone perceived as not measuring up to "their imagined  level"  is gonna get rejected by people like this
and in reality, you should be thankful that they do, cuz they're doing you a HUGE freakin favor...

i've never read any of the PUA stuff, never needed to...
so with this admittedly limited understanding
I will critique the little bit of what I've seen in person (really sad)

the first purpose of PUA
is for dewds to stop being "passive" towards women
which is a pattern that unsuccessful males fall into after repeated rejection
I can concur with that idea
but I would differ greatly with the crude, unimaginative active measures being employed by PUA afficianados

you need to look not to man, but to nature...
the bright plummage, the fancy display, the big nest
displaying that which the female finds pleasing, is your ticket...

so what "potential" qualities are you in posession of, that would be pleasing to a woman?
whatever they are, you need to be able to "show them off"
and there's your PUA

but see, the problem is, unsuccessful males ain't got a whole lot to show off, right?
to the victor belongs the spoils
what becomes of the losers?
they put their faith in false things
instead of facing the truth about themselves
and putting out the effort for self-improvement
they can only deal in fantasies and not in reality
and reality is what determines their future

so there you have it

then there's "Aryan Jesus"
conceived so that white people can worship god in their own image...
you disagree?
let's see ya make an argument that changes my mind then....

but first, don't forget about them Powdermilk Biscuits folks
they're loved by the whole family!

if you try 'em
you will buy 'em
and it will satisfy 'em

Powdermilk Biscuits Try 'em today!!

[Patagonie]

I think the difference is that the PUA guys don't believe they are entitled to sex, and they aren't using deception. The PUA guys are looking for a girl who wants the same thing the guy wants - fun for a night.

The PUA stuff is more about learning to recognize the impulsive girlNO
 who will agree to have meaningless sex with a guy they just met, and how to encourage her to be impulsive.
IT COULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO RECONNECT WITH THEIR FEMINITY, WILL NOT CALL THIS IMPULSIVE
 The PUA stuff is about not wasting your time on girls that
will require more effort.  ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO YOU,

 The PUA stuff is about a guy who wants sex without a commitment or relationship,WRONG, INCREASING YOUR ATTRACTIVENESS AND KNOWING HOW TO ASSESS THE LEVEL OF INTEREST OF A WOMAN COULD HELP TO HAVE MORE SUCCESS WITH WOMEN, PROVIDED THAT THEY LIKE YOU AT LEAST PHYSICALLY. IT COULD BE FOR AN ONS OR A MARRIAGE

 and how to recognize a girl who is interested in the same thing. INTERESTED IN YOU

The entitlement western women often use deception to lead a guy on, trying to make him think she will have a relationship with him if he gives her money. BECAUSE SHE LIKES PLAYING GAMES, BECAUSE  BECAUSE SHE NEEDS A PLUMBER, BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO FIND A JOB, BECAUSE SHE IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNSTABLE, BECAUSE SHE LIKES FREE DRINKS, BECAUSE SHE USES YOU TO GET REVENGE ON ANOTHER MAN ... THE LIST GOES ON..............

[Patagonie]

PUA do deceive girls.  They use flattery, manipulation, and even physical coercion to bed women.  That's exactly why Andrew Tate is facing potential charges in Romania.


The vast majority of men are not PUA.  Similarly, the vast majority of WW do not attempt to deceive, manipulate, or coerce men. 


Men who must denigrate WW to justify "looking abroad" are lying to themselves.  That's fine.  Just don't expect me to believe those lies.

Absolutely NOT. Average guys use flattery. Men with high attractiveness don't need any physical coercion, they detect earlier than average Joe that the woman is not attracted to them and they chase another one.

There is this totally twisted and unhealthily psychological feeling in many people, especially in the justice law, among women, that attractive men will mentally become psychologically disordered because a woman is not wanting them and so they will use some form of violence to submit her. No they make a move, and they move quickly.
 It's the average fella who have lick no more than two pussies in his life (if he did  ) who is capable to turn wild because the woman that he is chasing for weeks, months, sometimes for years, don't clearly brush him off, or he becomes so mad that he ignores the signs that she sends, signs telling, I DON'T WANT TO F...K with you.
We call this the ONE ITIS.
A lot of woman are, by nature, manipulative. Which, in the end deceive and coerce men.

[Patagonie]

people aren't divided between being "good people" or "bad people"
the division exists in each person who has both good and bad qualities
one of the bad qualities MANY women have is to use deception and manipulation with men
I doubt there isn't a man on the planet who HASN'T experienced it
and I doubt there isn't a woman on the planet who hasn't engaged in it (except for you BO)

all's fair in love and war, right...?
the ends always justifies the means

assume it's true, that an American man will have more value to a Ukrainian woman, than he will have to an American woman...
"his value" determines the quality of partners he can choose from
so logically, he will be able to seek higher quality partners in Ukraine compared to the USA as a result of the difference in HIS value

as someone who has had "more than one" relationship with American and Ukrainian women
let me set ya straight

it's a "night and day" difference between American and Ukrainian women
American women are like Barbie princesses compared to hard working, industrious Ukrainian women, cuz that's the difference in culture between the USA vrs Ukraine,
average American women don't grow up with the expectation from society that they have to do anything difficult
and that's not true in Ukraine, women have to work hard there, even as children
there are not too many casual Friday's in Ukraine

so not only can you expect to date more attractive women in Ukraine, due to YOUR higher value there
you can also expect much more of a hardworking partner compared to an American one

all my friends who married American women are divorced and unhappy
not me...
I live in a paradise cuz I married well...

Ukrainian women are a god's gift to a man
there is no treasure on this earth greater
what makes you goobers think you're worthy of such a gift?
huh?

stop your goobering!!
and get real dewds
time
 is
  running
   out

So true Krim

[Patagonie]

PUA do deceive girls.  They use flattery, manipulation, and even physical coercion to bed women.  That's exactly why Andrew Tate is facing potential charges in Romania.


The vast majority of men are not PUA.  Similarly, the vast majority of WW do not attempt to deceive, manipulate, or coerce men. 


Men who must denigrate WW to justify "looking abroad" are lying to themselves.  That's fine.  Just don't expect me to believe those lies.

Andrew Tate, at this exact moment is facing potential charges. And we don't know the outcome, Let's do the Justice her work.

However if you have watched the whole, I repeat the whole, not the one of the BBC, but the whole video that had been recorded during the whole BBC interview you will have a pure example of how a non professional journalist operates by trying to trick a man.

Interesting to compare the same type of interview,
Lead by a woman from the BBC, and lead by a woman from the Romanian TV.

NITGHT AND DAY.

Shame to the Western countries.


The difference comes from the fact that now many female journalists are feminist first, in the West.
So they want to condemn hatred speech while they do hatred interview, but they don't see any parallel.

Interesting no?

[Patagonie]

Wait a minute.  Did I just hear you right?  You are equating flattery with rape and sexual assault? (That's what Tate is charged with.)

Anyone who suggests that the vast majority of WW do not deceive, manipulate, or coerce men is ignoring reality. 
How many women will give a man her phone number, even if she has no intention of dating him? Yet she deceives the man into thinking she will give him a chance.
How many women try to manipulate the guy into buying her things?
How many women use shaming tactics to browbeat men?
What percentage of women file for divorce, compared to men filing?  The women deceive the men and trick them into marriage, so she can file for divorce to take half the man's money.
How many women withhold sex to manipulate a guy?
How many women wear make-up to deceive guys into thinking she looks better than she really does?

Men marry women expecting that they won't change, but they do.
Women marry men expecting that the man will change, but he doesn't. 

Not all PUA rape, traffic women, or form criminal organizations to sexually exploit women.
I think most PUA are slick talkers who often use alcohol to convince women to engage in impulsive sex.  Just visit a bar to see who the bar flies go home with.  And they are picking up women who went to the bar looking for a guy who would seduce them.

One of the first rule of the game is:
You don't drink alcohol (one drink maximum maybe)
And you don't pay drink to girls.
So explain me how PUA use alcohol to get laid???????????

In which learning content have you seen this? and if you have seen this the guy is a damned idiot, because now in the West he could be prosecuted for rape.

[Patagonie]

one picture will explain everything...

Brach skazal mne chto fruckti ochen xoposho dla zdarovie

[Patagonie]

Read the reports of women he bedded. They were targeted with PUA tactics.

The vast majority of WW do not deceive, manipulate, or coerce. Only in the weird world of WM who believe they can develop a quick connection with a woman from an economically disadvantaged part of the world, is this denigration of WW viewed as the gospel. If all you experienced among WW was deception and coercion, you should be looking at what attracts you to such women.

Adultery is one of the leading causes of divorce (though not listed as such in no fault states). Moreover, women are far more likely to initiate divorce against a cheating spouse because they will retain custody of their children. What they will do, which men usually won’t, is bide their time until it’s the best time to leave.
 
I wear makeup. I am not, and never have, worn it to “deceive” a man.  I do it for myself. Are men who dress sharply and shave “deceiving” women?  Frankly, I think this statement by you is ludicrous.

Why all the women around me, since five years, and some I know them for more than 20 years, are just dating and ONLY dating HIGH PROFILES dicks, men who are on the top 5%, at least, of the single men in terms of economical power in France? 
Because of their dick, or because of their status?
NONE are dating or have dated average Joes in the €1000/2000 range.
 
And you know why?
I will tell you. 
 
Because they are in average more physically attractive than other French women. 
 
So how you dare to talk about men that are using their "economical advantages" while it it should be ignored that women use their "good in the sake advantage" most of the time to hit high financial status guys?
The fault is on men's shoulders, I know. We are used too.   

[Grumpy]

I think the difference is that the PUA guys don't believe they are entitled to sex, and they aren't using deception. The PUA guys are looking for a girl who wants the same thing the guy wants - fun for a night.

The PUA stuff is more about learning to recognize the impulsive girlNO
 who will agree to have meaningless sex with a guy they just met, and how to encourage her to be impulsive.
IT COULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO RECONNECT WITH THEIR FEMINITY, WILL NOT CALL THIS IMPULSIVE
 The PUA stuff is about not wasting your time on girls that
will require more effort.  ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO YOU,

 The PUA stuff is about a guy who wants sex without a commitment or relationship,WRONG, INCREASING YOUR ATTRACTIVENESS AND KNOWING HOW TO ASSESS THE LEVEL OF INTEREST OF A WOMAN COULD HELP TO HAVE MORE SUCCESS WITH WOMEN, PROVIDED THAT THEY LIKE YOU AT LEAST PHYSICALLY. IT COULD BE FOR AN ONS OR A MARRIAGE

 and how to recognize a girl who is interested in the same thing. INTERESTED IN YOU

The entitlement western women often use deception to lead a guy on, trying to make him think she will have a relationship with him if he gives her money. BECAUSE SHE LIKES PLAYING GAMES, BECAUSE  BECAUSE SHE NEEDS A PLUMBER, BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO FIND A JOB, BECAUSE SHE IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNSTABLE, BECAUSE SHE LIKES FREE DRINKS, BECAUSE SHE USES YOU TO GET REVENGE ON ANOTHER MAN ... THE LIST GOES ON..............

Recognizing who is attracted to you and who is not attracted to you is Step 1. Step 2 is eliminating those of Low Character or otherwise undesirable. Step 3 is where the seduction begins, Step 4 is relationship building, and Step 5 is where you start closing the "deal".

[Trenchcoat]

Women like to hoe themselves out

Particularly the more attractive looking woman. The old saying is the the more attractive looking woman 'knows what she's worth'. Yet even the everyday looking woman knows that she has value for sex, for reproduction, even for companionship. The less attractive woman knows she has to settle for what she can get.

So if you're an attractive looking woman what do you do with that big bonus life has given you?

Some become models, glamour models.

Some get in with the in crowd and have a blast, many nights being party nights, days even also, good social life.

Some want to get with a guy they also find highly attractive.

Some don't want their gift of beauty to go unrewarded and so want a wealthy guy as payoff. Thereby then also being rewarded with a comfortable and lavish lifestyle.

What we have here is potentially everyday looking women hoping to snag a wealthy guy that usually some of the pretty girls go for.

Hypergamy will probably kick in and it all becomes whether a deal can be settled upon if not said directly then on what comes up along the way.

From a guys point of view that it appears to be a contrived plot to get a wealthy guy while setting aside whether she is actually into him is the bug bear.

[krimster2]

La Belle et la Bęte
what if...
beauty IS ALSO the beast...
where does that leave you?

you guys are trying to pin the tail on the wrong donkey
you can't change the rules of the game, so no point in complaining about them
you can only choose to play or not play

and if you play, and you find out you're a WEAK player
is it society's fault for making the game too hard for ya?

I was a freaking sexual prodigy
course I lived at the right place and right time
OMG, the stuff I got away with in the 60s as a little kid, would get me into huge trouble today
advantage of living in that time period

I started out with, "i'll show you mine, if you show me yours" to every little girl, I was ever alone with
startled by what I first saw
ran to my friends, told them, "girl's don't have Pee-Pees, they have "little butts" there!!!
no one believed me
so I continually gathered more evidence of my controversial claim
until I found out it wasn't actually a little butt like it looked like!!
good times!

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[Trenchcoat]

In fairness to women on the guys side it's nearly always us guys gushing over how pretty a woman a girl is. Not that chemistry and eye of the beholder etc doesn't play it's part but our value system as guys (well most of us) tends to be heavily focused on the prettiness of a girl as a kind of natural instinct.

So a lot of superficial stuff both ways for sure, just the way it is really. Some guys will brag about how they didn't go for looks and got with a mediocre looking girl. Basically they couldn't get with a pretty girl/she wasn't in the offing but they found they got in well with a mediocre looking girl well socially so we're happy to go with that. So there is what one can get set against how well you can get on with the girl, etc. Some guys will go with a pretty girl even if they don't get on well, even if there is no chemistry sometimes. That is an understandable mistake but can be a not totally happy place to be.

In the west at the moment as you elude to Krim it's basically the worst return for investment for guys. WM aren't getting a good deal/return on how good they are as a guy for many. A few will get lucky and break the mold and get a good WW, but few will.

[Patagonie]

Recognizing who is attracted to you and who is not attracted to you is Step 1. Step 2 is eliminating those of Low Character or otherwise undesirable. Step 3 is where the seduction begins, Step 4 is relationship building, and Step 5 is where you start closing the "deal".

 
Absolutely

[Patagonie]

La Belle et la Bęte
what if...
beauty IS ALSO the beast...
where does that leave you?

you guys are trying to pin the tail on the wrong donkey
you can't change the rules of the game, so no point in complaining about them
you can only choose to play or not play

and if you play, and you find out you're a WEAK player
is it society's fault for making the game too hard for ya?

I was a freaking sexual prodigy
course I lived at the right place and right time
OMG, the stuff I got away with in the 60s as a little kid, would get me into huge trouble today
advantage of living in that time period

I started out with, "i'll show you mine, if you show me yours" to every little girl, I was ever alone with
startled by what I first saw
ran to my friends, told them, "girl's don't have Pee-Pees, they have "little butts" there!!!
no one believed me
so I continually gathered more evidence of my controversial claim
until I found out it wasn't actually a little butt like it looked like!!
good times!

this post is brought to you by PowderMilk Biscuits

[Daveman]

Recognizing who is attracted to you and who is not attracted to you is Step 1. Step 2 is eliminating those of Low Character or otherwise undesirable. Step 3 is where the seduction begins, Step 4 is relationship building, and Step 5 is where you start closing the "deal".

I agree. I'd change one thing:

Step 5 is "She closes the deal..."

There used to be an old saying "a man chases a woman until she catches him."  Something like that.  The relationship, marriage have to be her idea. A man just keeps chugging along until she catches him. 


It's a dance of intrigue, passion, and emotions.  The dance never ends.

[Boethius]

Absolutely NOT. Average guys use flattery. Men with high attractiveness don't need any physical coercion, they detect earlier than average Joe that the woman is not attracted to them and they chase another one.

There is this totally twisted and unhealthily psychological feeling in many people, especially in the justice law, among women, that attractive men will mentally become psychologically disordered because a woman is not wanting them and so they will use some form of violence to submit her. No they make a move, and they move quickly.

We call this the ONE ITIS.
A lot of woman are, by nature, manipulative. Which, in the end deceive and coerce men.

Attractiveness is extremely subjective.  Moreover, I doubt your assertion.  It's down more to personality than physical attractiveness.  Moreover, women generally are more "open" in what they are attracted to than are men, and they typically don't limit themselves to "physical beauty".

I think your views are not supported by evidence or studies.  I don't think most women believe men will all of a sudden become physically violent.  I happen to believe physical violence is about equal between the sexes.  However, because men are bigger and stronger, their physical violence is usually more serious, even deadly.

Why all the women around me, since five years, and some I know them for more than 20 years, are just dating and ONLY dating HIGH PROFILES dicks, men who are on the top 5%, at least, of the single men in terms of economical power in France? 
Because of their dick, or because of their status?
NONE are dating or have dated average Joes in the €1000/2000 range.
 
And you know why?
I will tell you. 
 
Because they are in average more physically attractive than other French women. 
 
So how you dare to talk about men that are using their "economical advantages" while it it should be ignored that women use their "good in the sake advantage" most of the time to hit high financial status guys?
The fault is on men's shoulders, I know. We are used too. 

 

Most women I know are married.  Most of my friends are physically attractive.  Two of them were stunningly beautiful, I mean, heads turned when they passed beautiful.  One dated extensively.  She never cared about money, and most of the men she dated had bachelor degrees, were professionals or businessmen. They did fine in life, but weren't particularly wealthy.  She was more interested in the person than anything else, though she did have a physical "type", from my observation.  The other did not care at all about money.  She wanted intelligence, primarily, in a mate.  Her first boyfriend (high school/university) was good looking, unintelligent, but great in bed.  She broke up with him after she finished her university degree, as she saw no future because they were completely incompatible intellectually.  They were still friends, but she just didn't see a future.  She pined for years for a man she met through our (Ukrainian) community.  He was 35 kg overweight, average face, but extremely intelligent.  They were great friends, but he had no interest in her romantically.  He ended up marrying a complete airhead bimbo, and went on to produce an airhead bimbo child before he realized living with an airhead day in and day out was not easy.  By that time, my friend had had a number of lovers, until she fell in love with an engineer from Ukraine.  He was raising his two children.  He was good looking, but more important, he was extremely intelligent.  They have been married over two decades.  He came into their marriage with nothing.  She comes from a wealthy family, so much so, she didn't have to work.  He moved into her house, she worked for about 20 years, then decided to retire so she could take care of her elderly mother.

I could recount countless stories like this.  I of course saw young women who were looking for a man with earning "potential" (mostly trying to hook up with students in the law library when I was in law school), but they are decidedly the minority.  Most young women do seek physical attractiveness first.  My friends were the exception.  But over 30, women tend to look more for a man who is intelligent and interesting.  Perhaps that is what your friends seek, and you put it down to money.  The reality is that most (not all, but most) men who can make a lot of money legally do so because they're intelligent, both intellectually and emotionally.  I suspect they manipulate women more than vice versa.

[krimster2]

listen to nature, and what it's trying to tell ya
In ecology, a "niche" is the match of a species to a specific environmental condition that allows the species to flourish.

all you incels need to get the phuque out of whatever ecological void you find your selves in and you need to figure out what "specific environmental condition" it is that favors YOU.
animals find this by chance, but you can use that big brain of yours to find it by design
over time, I found a BUNCH of niches!
with Ukraine/Russia being the ultimate niche

in Ukraine I can out compete pretty much 99.99% of the males there
I got my mixed ethnicity non-slavic anglo-saxon exotic good looks combined with my JOO IQ
and I come from a high status culture
and to them, I'm ridiculously wealthy...
easy, peasy for me in Ukraine

other niches, I savored:
being a fair haired blue eyed Joo, makes you VERY appealing to the darker jewish girls (they call us "blondies")

the "art world" is populated by a lot of women, and very easy to compete against the men in the art world

"non-white" countries have a lot of feelings about wanting to "be white"
best way for the women to do that is somebody like you

I could go on, but you should "get my drift"
you incels are NOT actively trying to boost your chances of success
you're passive, and you rely on random things that you respond to
instead of actively seeking them out

the PUA approach is for dumb guys, which still beats doing nothing
but the smart guys
will figure out what their niche is
and will start "workin it"

[2tallbill]

I started out with, "i'll show you mine, if you show me yours" to every little girl, I was ever alone with
startled by what I first saw
ran to my friends, told them, "girl's don't have Pee-Pees, they have "little butts" there!!!
no one believed me

[krimster2]

and that includes "shrinkage" which must be extreme in arctic conditions!!