Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Odds and Ends => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2024, 01:28:16 PM
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I have been healthy, but I started a new gig and have been ridiculously busy lately.
What have you moved into Bill?
I'm thinking of a change of industry myself. Soon my house will be finished, honestly this time ;)
My present line of work I have been in a long time now, about 15 years. As gone through before on here it is low paid but stable. Many professional jobs in the UK are not so stable and I see no joy in being in and out of work on a potentially frequent basis. So finding another Employer doesn't interest me.
So instead I have decided to stick with my present Employment but try out a series of business ideas alongside. Since I will no longer have the house conversion to do then that will free up plenty of time. I'm aware that a lot of business ideas may flop even ones that seem good at the outset possibly even my preferred ideas. So I'm going to float them all out and see if any have any go with keeping cost as low as possible for each one. Hopefully I won't lose too much money on testing them out before I get to one that has some go in it.
Once I get to one that does have enough go in it I'm going to ditch the job and be in a better situation, hopefully :)
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What have you moved into Bill?
I am in sales, same industry as before.
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I am in sales, same industry as before.
Ah, I get you, now make sure you have on that paper hat Beel, I want no added hairs in my burger ;D
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Ah, I get you, now make sure you have on that paper hat Beel, I want no added hairs in my burger ;D
Just as well, burgers will make you fat.
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Soon my house will be finished, honestly this time ;)
“Procrastinate now, don't put it off.”
― Ellen DeGeneres
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I'm willing to give it a go Bill, come Spring/Summer the house will be done
I was giving Trench grief 2 years ago, convinced he would never finish.
Trench, when did you actually start your remuddeling project? 2020?
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We have been renovating a second house for a year now.
Have two bedrooms done and kitchen almost done.
Two more bedrooms, 3 baths, a ton of major yardwork (not just yearly maintenance), new sidewalks and driveway . . . . and on and on and on to go!!!
Probably 2-3 more years.
We have equivalent of around $30,000 of our own labor invested so far.
Kitchen cabinets alone were to cost $23,000 if delivered assembled and placed on wall.
We bought same cabinets for $7,600 and assembled and put up ourselves.
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I can remember people telling me that if you remodel a kitchen, that increased the home value $7,000. (Of course, they were talking about a couple thousand dollar kitchen makeover, when flipping $30k-$50k houses.)
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pre-war, I could EASILY flip a $50,000 property for $150,000 in Ukraine
and do it as many times as I wanted to
buy a couple of adjacent dacha plots and then build on that, $50,000 move-in ready cost
less than a 1 yr construction project
I could EASILY make $100k/yr AND UP flipping properties like this in Ukraine, and work just a couple of hours per week, was my own contractor, wife's relatives did all the labour
TAX FREE PROFIT
and work on other "gigs" as well
total control over how much money you make and your time
Example Pics
the 18 yr old daughter of my neighbor used to skinny dip in my pool and drink marguaritas with me (blond teen Ukrainian village girl with "big naturals")
but ONLY after she saw my wife and daughters leave to go shopping
you have a swimming pool in Ukraine, and somehow there will ALWAYS be naked wimmin swimmin in it...
WEIRD!!!
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I could EASILY make $100k/yr AND UP
Krim,
You are a creative, idea-machine, who knows the ground, has excellent interpersonal skills, knows some
Russian, you have a wife who knows how things work there. Most men would have difficulty navigating the
perils, hazards, tricks and snares along the way.
Trench spent years doing a relatively simple remodel. He absolutely should not try to flip houses in the FSU.
That is like giving a teenage kid a few boxing lessons, then setting up a little grudge match with a 22 year
old Mike Tyson.
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Trench...
It ain't "society's fault" me 'bruv....
you chose to live the path of least resistance
first BIG MISTAKE: not leaving your quaint little village and at least move to Manchester
but of course the STERLING's all in London....
SECOND big mistake...
not joining "her Majesty's Armed Forces"
because of that, you are undisciplined and weak
Russians/Ukrainians will EAT someone like you alive
you also don't get the social network benefits derived from the military for jobs, education, etc
Beel has shown ya 'bruv how to make $$$ without havin a medical/science/engineering degree
SALES!!!
before I quit the corporate world to work for my self
this TRUTH used to really PISS ME OFF!!!!!
I have a graduate degree in engineering
and the people in sales with high school diplomas would outearn me, WHY?
cuz in the corporate world
Engineering is a "COST Center"
and sales is an "INCOME Center"
and the INCOME Center got the $$$
by the time you are 30 years old, you shoulda had this all "sussed out"
and it wouldn't of been too late to do 'somethin about it....
but here you are....
and you STILL don't HAVE A PLAN....
look Trench...
work on a plan that you think would have a high chance of success
and borrow the money through a home equity loan
example: a furniture making/repair/refinish business
OK...???
next question, YES, YOU in the back...
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Trench...
It ain't "society's fault" me 'bruv....
you chose to live the path of least resistance
first BIG MISTAKE: not leaving your quaint little village and at least move to Manchester
but of course the STERLING's all in London....
SECOND big mistake...
not joining "her Majesty's Armed Forces"
because of that, you are undisciplined and weak
Russians/Ukrainians will EAT someone like you alive
you also don't get the social network benefits derived from the military for jobs, education, etc
Beel has shown ya 'bruv how to make $$$ without havin a medical/science/engineering degree
SALES!!!
before I quit the corporate world to work for my self
this TRUTH used to really PISS ME OFF!!!!!
I have a graduate degree in engineering
and the people in sales with high school diplomas would outearn me, WHY?
cuz in the corporate world
Engineering is a "COST Center"
and sales is an "INCOME Center"
and the INCOME Center got the $$$
by the time you are 30 years old, you shoulda had this all "sussed out"
and it wouldn't of been too late to do 'somethin about it....
but here you are....
and you STILL don't HAVE A PLAN....
look Trench...
work on a plan that you think would have a high chance of success
and borrow the money through a home equity loan
example: a furniture making/repair/refinish business
OK...???
next question, YES, YOU in the back...
I would never join the British Army on account of having to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown, i.e the Monarchy. As an Anti-Monarchist Republican I would never do that it would revile me. Civil Service, etc in the UK is different as no oath is taken there, as it's Government, just the official secrets act. The British Army is really controlled by the Government also not the Monarchy but the ridiculous oath of Allegiance to the Crown/Monarchy remain. I refuse that not joining the Army has made me weak, Army guys think there tough but it doesn't mean those that don't join Armies are weaker than they are.
Sales sounds like a magic bullet and for some it may be, but let's face it those that do best in Sales are probably selling expensive gear, big systems, etc to Corporate clients, big companies with deep pockets. They are likely to be the very best Sales guys that geg those roles or people with good connections. They aren't going to let anyone walk straight into those roles. Bill was selling Windows last we heard, I don't know if he has moved up the Sales career ladder now or down (hopefully not McDonald's ;D) but let's take his Window Sales role as an example. Now I don't know how his job worked but in the UK, door to door Window salesmen can probably be expected to get the door slammed in their face a hell of lot or doors not even opened before you get someone willing to listen to you, possibly make a sale.
So if you even out the times when sales are not made (majority of the time) with times when sales are made (minority of the time) then the wage made per hour on average probably isn't all that wonderful. If you are good at it, get good at it then some decent money may come in but after tax, etc it's probably still not all that wonderful money. Get into the real good time corporate jobs and money probably is sky high but again it's an extreme few that get that stuff, almost probably like Hollywood film stars or guys that are exceptional at Maths ;)
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I can see why YOU FAIL Trench....
why CAN'T YOU SEE IT?
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Krim,
You are a creative, idea-machine, who knows the ground, has excellent interpersonal skills, knows some
Russian, you have a wife who knows how things work there. Most men would have difficulty navigating the
perils, hazards, tricks and snares along the way.
Trench spent years doing a relatively simple remodel. He absolutely should not try to flip houses in the FSU.
That is like giving a teenage kid a few boxing lessons, then setting up a little grudge match with a 22 year
old Mike Tyson.
You are right Bill, Krim has a lot of stuff going for him. Aside from his personal abilities and his wife, Krim has a lot of money. It's easy to get stuff built and renovated fast if you have a lot of money and can employ teams of others to do the work if you. Here in Wales I would have not employed a team of guys to renovate the house, it would cost a fortune, sure the house would uplift in value a bit but what I have done here would outstrip that uplift in value likely by a long way if I had got people in to do it.
House builders in the UK don't make a lot of money these days because of the cost of all the material build up needed these days due to building regs and performance of the house. Some people have made good money over the years flipping houses in the UK, I believe JamesUK when he used to visit this board was one of them, his UK wife divorced him and took a nice large chunk of that wealth he made as I recall. Anyhow a lot of that was made as a result of constantly riding property prices in the UK over the last 20 years or so, some of it from the dork itself, but flipping property is different to renovation/conversion/extension for rental.
What I have done has been a long process, possibly not the most lucrative choice but I have been restricted on where I can buy and what I can put in. Once the ball is rolling and I have built up some wealth behind me I can get into more lucrative stuff going forward. Time and Money are two big issues in the Construction industry. Here materials cost a lot and many are needed plus the lord materials the more time it takes to instal them. Here we can't put up a studwork wall and not care if we can hear the person the other side and is freezing because there is no insulation in it, etc. Even in the US as ML illustrates it tends to take a long time, many, many hours. He likely has a way bigger house but in this house although small I've had to knock down walls, build new walls, etc to get more out of the house. A house where you don't have to reconfigure it as it's so large that you don't need to get more room out of it is easier. So adjusting for work being done, labour hours, time available, whether one, two or more people are at the job is all very relevant.
There are no doubt probably better and easier ways to make money than in property. Sure the right place, resources to throw at it as Krim has demonstrated and you can do well at it, but if you got into the right business buying and selling stuff you could potentially make way, way more money easier or you could stuff up and buy a load of stuff and not be able to sell it easy. It's all about taking opportunities and trying to take as good an opportunity as you think it might be and trying to make the best out of it. Some will work out better than others and sometimes it's not always easy to tell but we all hope not to drop ourselves in it with a real bad one.
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I can see why YOU FAIL Trench....
why CAN'T YOU SEE IT?
You maybe think I'm finding excuses to take the easy way out.
I ask you this? Why did you not go for a top job in Sales the moment you saw you could get more money in it?
You could have gone for one of those top corporate sales jobs where you go around convincing companies to take on your company's big IT system or whatever and make bigger money than you were in software engineering as yiu put it.
My guess is that in spite of whatever skills you have, interpersonal, etc you lacked the top level Sales skills that come as natural to but to a handful of
people, your Autism etc possibly not helping to there unlike in IT. So for me by the same token I lack the top level Maths/IT ability like most people. I also lack the top level natural Sales skills. I've never been much of a Sales type of person, in a very specific low end situation I may do ok in it.
For a person to make top money in a job it usually takes a very top level natural ability and/or possible top level contacts.
The thing is I think you are thinking that if a guy works very hard as you have no doubt done then that guy will come good along the way at some point. What you are forgetting is that you'd hard work was coupled with an unusually high natural ability in Maths/IT. A guy that does not have a natural ability in something with a high pay reward can work as hard as he likes but the pay will still remain low, lowish, his progression will be stunted.
A lot of what you subsequently done was based off the money you made in IT. If someone has a lot of money behind them then it's easier to make more money. As you have shown you get people in to do the hard work and you just need to give a bit of thought as to what you invest in. A guy without that money needs to first get some of that money to get access to the better investment opportunities. It's part of the reason guys used to be paid more than women as it counted a while lot more for them as it's what the women wanted.
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"You maybe think I'm finding excuses to take the easy way out."
YES, you always do...
"I ask you this? Why did you not go for a top job in Sales the moment you saw you could get more money in it?"
because I found an EVEN BETTER WAY - which was to leave the corporate labour model completely and start my own businesses using the knowedge and skills I acquired from working within the corporate labour system
in other words, I was once an economic prisoner like you, but "I busted my way outta there"
I'm a "Wize Guy" touches finger to nose
my people have been thumbing their nose to the Czar for centuries
"back in the day" the Russian aristocracy owned EVERYTHING in Russia
the people were serfs and dirt poor
the aristocracy didn't wanna tax itself, so it figured a way to tax the poor
it did this by creating an alchohol tax, and giving exclusive licenses to "connected" aristocrats to produce alchohol
my ancestors excelled at stealth bootlegging, and each generation got better and better at it
they invested in farms and bakeries they passed along to their offspring
my family started the Hellman's Mayonnaise Co (they sold it a long time ago and now the Chinese own it!)
originally poultry for Mayonnaise makin was the cover to acquire grain for mash
nobody in my family was ever caught
during prohibition, they made millions $$$ in CASH, DURING THE FREAKIN DEPRESSION!!!!
plus their farming and Mayonnaise biz
now in the USA - the money is in the Hemp-->CBD--D8-->HHC production
and it's EVEN LEGAL
a successful Hemp farm, even a small 20 acre one, is like having a legal printing press of hundred dollar bills running in the back room
find a NEED
and a way to FULLFILL IT
and $$$
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"You maybe think I'm finding excuses to take the easy way out."
YES, you always do...
"I ask you this? Why did you not go for a top job in Sales the moment you saw you could get more money in it?"
because I found an EVEN BETTER WAY - which was to leave the corporate labour model completely and start my own businesses using the knowedge and skills I acquired from working within the corporate labour system
in other words, I was once an economic prisoner like you, but "I busted my way outta there"
I'm a "Wize Guy" touches finger to nose
That's a cop out. If you didn't have the natural high level Maths/IT skills or Sales skills then that route wouldn't have been opened to you since you wouldn't have the money. It's a natural progression to give the Employer the boot the moment you get well off enough to start your own business knowing that you have do much money it is almost certain to be successful and even if it tanks it you have the money to try other businesses and very worst case scenario you have to go back an work for an Employer again for a bit.
If you don't have vast amounts of money behind you then the business options are a lot more limited and full off other guys competing against you doing the same. What to do? Pick a trade, buy a burger van, run a market stall, make something, etc - these are all working class businesses that are essentially going nowhere. At best it might bring in done decent enough money but essentially extremely few will end up anything big. They are the sort of opportunities open to the everyday man doing the standard job working for an Employer. The situation is, do you stay with the Employer where you get steady income, holidays, etc or do you go self employed where often you have to work to get the work in before you actually do the work then probably get about the same sort of money that you would working for an Employer. Two things on that, one it can be ten times as hard getting the work in, in the first place, the other is that if you don't then you are with out money or much of it. So for most people it's not a possibility getting into the level of business you got into. I'm not too bad off compared to some in the UK and even I have to watch what I get myself into, there's so much competition out there that few think that they aren't the only ones thinking of the same thing at the same time.
We British own Hellmann's now ;D Unilever bought the business in 2000.
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uhmmm hmmmm...life is so AWFULLY UNFAIR...
if opportunity NOT come to you
YOU must come to opportunity
didja ever try doin that?
the guys who never leave their hometown are ALWAYS the guys who fare the worst
you're a classic example of this Trench
you settled for a lesser life
so that you don't have to do hard things
I wonder if there exists a word in the English language to describe someone of that nature...
any suggestions ENGLISHman?
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I hope you’re taking on board what krim and bill are saying Trench?…. Would you like to know the average $$$ required to achieve success in 2024 (if you’re a realistic man)? ….. Twice your average wage to court a woman to the point of her moving to your country (including visa costs) and that’s if you find a compatible women in the first few trips. Twice your annual wage again within months of her arriving (wedding, car, English lessons and 100 other things you’ve never considered and then a job that pays triple your annual wage to raise a child in a one income family and still maintain a good quality of life.
You better get on it immediately because every year that passes those figures are going to rise.
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I hope you’re taking on board what krim and bill are saying Trench?…. Would you like to know the average $$$ required to achieve success in 2024 (if you’re a realistic man)? ….. Twice your average wage to court a woman to the point of her moving to your country (including visa costs) and that’s if you find a compatible women in the first few trips. Twice your annual wage again within months of her arriving (wedding, car, English lessons and 100 other things you’ve never considered and then a job that pays triple your annual wage to raise a child in a one income family and still maintain a good quality of life.
You better get on it immediately because every year that passes those figures are going to rise.
Simple solution: Seek out daughters of FSU Oligarchs.
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Sales skills that come as natural to but to a handful of people, your Autism etc possibly not helping to there unlike in IT.
Sales, confidence and interpersonal skills did not come to me naturally. I was very shy when I was
younger, especially around women. I gained confidence in myself as I grew taller and more athletic.
If I was naturally good at something it was eye hand coordination, physical quickness and a growth
spurt. I also was willing to train incessantly to get better.
When it came to sales, as a school boy I had to do a couple things that made
me better. I had to call people who previously went to Church for donations
on the phone. Let me tell you only the first hundred are hard. I had to sell
subscriptions door to door for my school. Only the first twenty are hard.
As for girls, it was hard for me. I practiced my first phone call to ask a girl
out a hundred times in a mirror. When I called, she couldn't go with me.
When I asked girls out, I knew they liked me but even then it was difficult.
I hated that it was difficult, but just like my left hand hook shot, I worked
on it getting a little better every time. I had a few gal pals and they
would encourage me (even though they secretly crushed on me).
Talking to the homely librarian or the cashier with 25 visible piercings,
or asking a little old lady wearing a head band if she was trying out
for the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders gives you skills.
Dave wrote about this far better than I have, but practice improves
your skills. Just like it does for me, Dave, Krim or you.
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A man is great not because he hasn't failed; a man is great because failure hasn't stopped him”
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I know nothing about the secret to success.
I grew up in abject poverty and left home at age 17 to join the navy to get away from it.
Just by happenstance, I was encouraged to start college even as I had only completed 10th grade.
My SAT and ACT scores were quite high, so most every college would accept me even without HS diploma.
4 degrees later and a lot of business experience behind me . . . here I am comfortable financially and with a hot Ukrainian chick.
How I did it . . . I never gave up on anything I started or attempted.
Oh . . . and I am still working like a dog renovating a house . . . even as I could outright buy 5 new houses.
All this just to continue having sex . . . with someone I want to have sex with !!!! :-)
Wife asks me if I would rather stay busy like this (on the house and with sex), or go to McDonalds and sit with a group of old men (who we regularly see) who discuss how to solve the problems of the world.
I think she is controlling me . . . but don't know who to report it to.
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There's a lot of randomness in the World. ML, you may have begun in this world living in abject poverty but you also landed in this world in probably the wealthiest nation in the world. The US military spends vast sums of money, even in personnel and far outstrips the UK military. A few years ago, probably about a good decade or so back now the UK military laid of loads of it's personal just as they were approaching military pension service age/years retirement. So they were too short on military years service to get the military pension (which is good but not as good as the US military pension as I understand it) and got redundancy money instead. The redundancy money was still quite good but a poor deal in comparison to the UK military pension had the (Conservative Government I believe) not chosen to stiff them on it.
So you see the country you are in can affect your life chances, join the UK military and odds are you won't do as well as if you join the US military. The UK military tends to have a lot less University courses funding and the little it may have tends to be for Officer grade as I understand it. Basically they are a lot tighter, you can still do well money wise potentially better than the general population but not likely as well as the US military.
Other opportunities in the UK tends to have people crawling over them, so much so that it often buggers the opportunity up if it ever was any good.
I get what you guys are saying is that to take a chance at what may be a decent opportunity somewhere, work hard, keep at it and eventually it may come good. Sometimes it does but sometimes it can destroy people's lives. If you have a chick and pay a lot of money to get into a business and that business fails well there have been stories like that and the chick often leaves the guy (plus taking any children) to wallow in the financial mess. That guy may end up on the Streets and getting past failure from there is not going to be an easy matter. Most Employers won't touch a homeless guy on the Streets with a bargepole.
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Sometimes it does but sometimes it can destroy people's lives. If you have a chick and pay a lot of money to get into a business and that business fails well there have been stories like that and the chick often leaves the guy (plus taking any children) to wallow in the financial mess. That guy may end up on the Streets and getting past failure from there is not going to be an easy matter. Most Employers won't touch a homeless guy on the Streets with a bargepole.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained ― Chaucer
Slavic women aren't for everyone ― 2tallbill (and many others)
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Simple solution: Seek out daughters of FSU Oligarchs.
An intriguing idea ML, my guess is that there won't be many men around locally that the daughters of Oligarchs will want to get with. They probably can't get with other Oligarchs sons as they are likely rivals and trust would likely be an issue I would assume.
If they don't have foreign passports like Abramovich's daughters and are less super rich Oligarchs like the ones in Ukraine then I guess possibly they might entertain the idea of a western man, but which one?
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An intriguing idea ML, my guess is that there won't be many men around locally that the daughters of Oligarchs will want to get with. They probably can't get with other Oligarchs sons as they are likely rivals and trust would likely be an issue I would assume.
If they don't have foreign passports like Abramovich's daughters and are less super rich Oligarchs like the ones in Ukraine then I guess possibly they might entertain the idea of a western man, but which one?
Simple solution: Seek out daughters of FSU Oligarchs.
Hahahahha,
I think we should have a poll to see which Kardashian would be best suited for Trench.
PS.
I can't tell one from the other (except for Bruce)
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To be honest time over again I think I should have gone to Hollywood and had a punt at trying to be an Actor. I think I would be a bad Actor, I'm not very emotional not a pretty boy, but who knows not all Actors are, my luck could have seen me good :D
Most so called careers these days just suck, poor pay & loads of work. Better to just roll the occupational dice and just attempt Acting I think, the worst you can do is completely flop and end up with much the same career/job deal as everyone else. Those Hollywood Stars have it so easy, loads of money, comfortable lifestyle, people loving them wherever they go - and all for just spouting out a few lines in a few Movie's, ah the easy life! 8)
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Hollywood Boulevard, is the boulevard of broken dreams Trench...
it's a system with few winners and a lotta SAD losers, the streets are filled with homeless who came seeking fame and fortune, but became crack addicts instead...
instead of "all or nothing" in Hollywood
you might reflect upon the idea that "moderation" is a more fruitful approach
accept less of a reward, in exchange for a higher probability of success
instead of auditioning for Hollywood
look at the alternative presented by "Bald And Bankrupt"
he made HIS OWN media gig
and did you see his "top drawer" Belarusian girlf friend?
I am serious, when I say that if I were you, I'd be a media personality western volunteer in Ukraine on Youtube
and I'd be GETTING ALL THE POOTY TANG
EVERY...SINGLE...BIT...OF...IT...
ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY!!
where's the money where you're workin now?
money? oops....
so my question to you monsier
with your educational background
why aren't you an "associate" at Sotheby's and doin your own projects on the side with antique furniture, etc
but...
ya gotta leave yur village and head off to the London Financial District and start building your own private "network" there
to DO is TO BE
and yur all DO WHAT, I DUNNO....
if you did all this when you were young, you'd ALREADY BE SETUP NOW
instead of being confused about where you are and what to do
you and BeeFarmer are BOTH "prisoners of your own perceptions"
and because of your TOTALLY flawed view of the world
you can't help free yourself from it and leave it behind
each of you is "developmentally challenged"
and STUCK in life
why can't you two see that?
that you are BOTH your own worst enemies
and you need to free yourself and break free from the prison you put yourself in
but hey...
i'm just a faraway "voice in the wilderness"
so don't pay attention to any words I may say
but one last parting truth...
don't ask for whom the bell tolls
for one day, fer sure, it's gonna be fer you
so YOU better decide NOW how yur gonna live
OR
somebody else gonna decide for ya
and I can guarantee that their choice for you is gonna suck
and the proof of the truth of these words, is the state of your life NOW
somebody wake up Trench and Bee Farmer
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You're right Krim, with my lack of obvious talent or pretty boy looks better that I not let the production lot get in the way but cut them out and go straight to doing that myself. Why let someone else be the decider to getting on in life or not when I don't have to? You speak good truth here Krim.
As you correctly state my odds would be so miniscule going the Hollywood way, many people already queued up in front of me with connections to those that decide who will get first dibs at anything that comes up. Make up Artists and the like all waiting in the wings and that Armourer girl from Rust if she wasn't headed to jail that is. I would be wasting pointless time when I'm living in a day and age when the venue is right there on the internet and like you say odds are better, not real high of course but better. Could be one of the avenues to explore once I completed my house I think.
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Ok, saw this article today, it's less about me at least these days, I had a period of this myself though when I left University:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-13213821/My-graduate-son-wont-job-Im-worried-Ive-spoiled-make-earn-living-Money-Psychotherapist-VICKY-REYNAL-replies.html
It's more about the sad state of the UK reality. I don't blame the guy in the article hd no doubt found out what I did. That the Government/Education system here leads people on promising them that they will get on if they go to Uni and promote it heavily to youngsters then at the end of it all you can get is a job like you could have gotten when you left school such as call centre work, etc.
I find it a crying shame that they are still having young people on like this leading them up the garden path just as they did with me. Despite what sound people elsewhere in the world may think the Employment situation is pretty bad in the UK. Often zero hour contracts, temporary contracts, poor minimum wage or near minimum wage pay, etc, etc and loads of people looking for work. I'm doing ok now compared to some. There are a lucky few who get on in the UK but most don't.
Personally I think the UK undermines it's economy by trying to get labour as highly skilled, as cheap and as flexible(?) as it can, but that only sounds good on paper to Employers, the Economy and Government. For the British Worker on the rough end of the stick it means getting low pay when in work, constantly ending up out of work, unreliable contracts and being messed around. That's not a great basis for an economy as people that are in uncertain economic situations don't tend to spend out on commitments like new cars, products even houses. They also can be less motivated at work if they aren't being treated decently and not generally great attitude to society as a result. Unfortunately none of the main political parties seem to have any notion about how undermining this is for the economy. The Labour Party particularly it's party leader is pretty clueless about any of this and seems in the dark about how to really improve things. That is a great shame as I believe by taking decisive action to change things, like banning zero hours contracts, restricting temporary contracts, etc this country could really be turned around and the lot of it's people a while lot better. None of that I believe would screw up the economy by pushing costs/goods too high but could instead provide a lot better base to improve confidence of consumers into buying more and a willingness to pay more for products if there is more sounder employment.
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at this point, Uni is a debt scam -- unless you go into specific majors and even then it's coupled with DEI and LGBTQRXYZ social marxism indoctrination. Check out Yuri Bezmenov's books, google his name, and vids on YT. He explained, back in the 80's, how the infiltration and subversion occurred and where it would lead. His claim even then was that the west is doomed, that it was already a snowball which couldn't be stopped because a) no one believes it, and b) no one would be willing to take the drastic measures necessary to purge the subversion.
His predictions were damn close -- whether through actual knowledge or tea leaf reading is irrelevant at this point.
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the fact that yur life didn't meet yur expectations isn't "society's fault"
it's yur own...
how much effort did you put into learning,(i'm not talkin education) how much did you read and how much learnin from work
what "special skills" or abilities have you developed?
you are the sum total of this knowledge, and from my perspective, what you've accumulated so far, ain't NEARLY enuff for you
one common element of ALL INCELS
is the fact that they ALL live in some weird kinda isolation bubble
you ain't ONLY got a shortage of Sterling, but a shortage of knowledge
you have to have the knowledge to KNOW the difference between Truth/BS real/unreal smart/stoopid
between the thousands of books I've read, and 50 yr work experience
I KNOW how to run my life
OK???
How about you, me lad?
why didn't you sus out as a wee lad that the pablum they was gonna feed ya will still keep ya hungry, so you gotta go seek out yur own meals
Problemya Edin
you village dwellin Englishmen ain't never had to go out and get yur own meat
you don't know how
I'm a Texas Jew Boy, a peculiar kinda Jew Boy, much, much, worse than Zelensky (whose business card I have, don't believe me? we in the same club, and we both own property next to each other in Israel)
I can take my dawg and my Winchester 22 and bag a brace of cottontails, clean em in 5 min and hand em to the mizzes
and me and my dawg will be stylin come dinner time (dawg can't eat garlic though, he gotta have his share pre-pan before seasoning)
but you English Boyz, you don't know how to do this, yur too dependent on Sainsbury
I gets my own JOB, my own MONEY, the same way I gets them rabbits
I go GET EM
cuz them rabbits ain't gonna waltz onto the barbeque on their own
horrosho Engliski Malchick?
To Do is to be BE...
what you doin, and what are you becoming as a result?
this the direction you want?
SERIOUSLY!!!
OK, let me give you Anglos a "Jew Boy Plan"
read everything ya can about operating a charity in the UK and fund raising
including what others are doin for similar UK Ukrainian oriented charities
do a good analysis
you can prime the pump to get it started, but ya wanna line up some charity fund raising scheme, aka "sellin cookies"
and setup a logistics pipeline between the UK and Ukraine
get a good freakin camera
and go to Ukraine and deliver supplies to old grannies....
upload to Youtube
after yur first million hits on youtube start a merchandise line
at that point, you will be having SO MUCH SEX, that I'd recommend a "stunt penis" attachment, to save wear and tear, I got me dozens of all different kinds/signs/ and I sell LOGO space on em to advertisers for a VERY reasonable price!
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"People spend too much time finding other people to blame,
too much energy finding excuses for not being what they
are capable of being, and not enough energy putting
themselves on the line, growing out of the past, and
getting on with their lives."
J. Michael Straczynski
"You can blame outside factors or make excuses about why
things didn't work out, but that doesn't change anything."
Chris Gardner
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at this point, Uni is a debt scam -- unless you go into specific majors
That's the whole point Daveman.
Students should not be majoring in anything that does not have good job prospects upon graduation.
Parents, high school advisors, and university advisors are at fault for allowing students to take useless majors.
What I told my own children still is valid today.
"I will not pay for any college degree that does not have a major in Business, Engineering, Computers, or Health Sciences."
And there should be no loans involved.
If funds are not fully available, then the first two years should be at a junior college.
Then, with good grades, many scholarships are available for years 3 and 4.
Graduate school is often free as there are many GTA and research assistant position available which cover all tuition and even some spending money.
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"People spend too much time finding other people to blame,
too much energy finding excuses for not being what they
are capable of being, and not enough energy putting
themselves on the line, growing out of the past, and
getting on with their lives."
J. Michael Straczynski
"You can blame outside factors or make excuses about why
things didn't work out, but that doesn't change anything."
Chris Gardner
Quotes the 6' 7" Basketball Jock ;D Being that tall gains you a big natural bonus with the ladies Beel. A mere 6ft dude like myself they like the height, but plenty of 6ft dudes around. If you can be a fair bit over 6ft they REALLY like you in a big way provided you're not ugly or real thin & lanky. You undershoot your potential as such a tall guy Bill you could have shagged the whole Cheerleading Squad with that height issue women so love to your advantage.
On the other hand, if by pure chance of genetics you had ended up with a short height gene I wonder how the women would have regarded you then :-\
I think trying not to notice their sneers and mocking might have been a skill to develop.
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That's the whole point Daveman.
Students should not be majoring in anything that does not have good job prospects upon graduation.
Parents, high school advisors, and university advisors are at fault for allowing students to take useless majors.
What I told my own children still is valid today.
"I will not pay for any college degree that does not have a major in Business, Engineering, Computers, or Health Sciences."
And there should be no loans involved.
If funds are not fully available, then the first two years should be at a junior college.
Then, with good grades, many scholarships are available for years 3 and 4.
Graduate school is often free as there are many GTA and research assistant position available which cover all tuition and even some spending money.
I agree with this ML, you are a smart guy. When young, even mid to late teens it's a short time to really get to know the way the world works. Internet and hobby subjects are all fine but can be pursued in own time for little cost. At the end of the day the Degree courses should be viewed in a purely investment & pay off basis of what can reasonably be assured. For sure someone could study History and end up a well known History presenter on TV but how likely is that really? It's basically a very long shot. Even becoming a History Teacher is not a good likelihood and not necessarily high pay.
Most women in this world only respect one thing, money and lifestyle tends to be based in that. Even if the girl isn't money obsessed she will want a good lifestyle. To have children you need money. So why chance it on a degree that may not help in that but instead chose one that is very likely to deliver and plenty of it. It's a shame that the world is geared that way but no point in rowing against the tide so I agree entirely.
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the fact that yur life didn't meet yur expectations isn't "society's fault"
it's yur own...
how much effort did you put into learning,(i'm not talkin education) how much did you read and how much learnin from work
what "special skills" or abilities have you developed?
you are the sum total of this knowledge, and from my perspective, what you've accumulated so far, ain't NEARLY enuff for you
one common element of ALL INCELS
is the fact that they ALL live in some weird kinda isolation bubble
you ain't ONLY got a shortage of Sterling, but a shortage of knowledge
you have to have the knowledge to KNOW the difference between Truth/BS real/unreal smart/stoopid
between the thousands of books I've read, and 50 yr work experience
I KNOW how to run my life
OK???
How about you, me lad?
why didn't you sus out as a wee lad that the pablum they was gonna feed ya will still keep ya hungry, so you gotta go seek out yur own meals
Problemya Edin
you village dwellin Englishmen ain't never had to go out and get yur own meat
you don't know how
I'm a Texas Jew Boy, a peculiar kinda Jew Boy, much, much, worse than Zelensky (whose business card I have, don't believe me? we in the same club, and we both own property next to each other in Israel)
I can take my dawg and my Winchester 22 and bag a brace of cottontails, clean em in 5 min and hand em to the mizzes
and me and my dawg will be stylin come dinner time (dawg can't eat garlic
though, he gotta have his share pre-pan before seasoning)
but you English Boyz, you don't know how to do this, yur too dependent on Sainsbury
I gets my own JOB, my own MONEY, the same way I gets them rabbits
I go GET EM
cuz them rabbits ain't gonna waltz onto the barbeque on their own
horrosho Engliski Malchick?
To Do is to be BE...
what you doin, and what are you becoming as a result?
this the direction you want?
SERIOUSLY!!!
OK, let me give you Anglos a "Jew Boy Plan"
read everything ya can about operating a charity in the UK and fund raising
including what others are doin for similar UK Ukrainian oriented charities
do a good analysis
you can prime the pump to get it started, but ya wanna line up some charity fund
raising scheme, aka "sellin cookies"
and setup a logistics pipeline between the UK and Ukraine
get a good freakin camera
and go to Ukraine and deliver supplies to old grannies....
upload to Youtube
after yur first million hits on youtube start a merchandise line
at that point, you will be having SO MUCH SEX, that I'd recommend a "stunt penis" attachment, to save wear and tear, I got me dozens of all different
kinds/signs/ and I sell LOGO space on em to advertisers for a VERY reasonable price!
What special skills would I need?
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duh world can be reduced to simple concepts...
what is it you value in a woman Trench?
how do you respond to wimmin without these features?
flip that around, and what is it that wimmin value?
and how do THEY respond to dewds without these features...
ok, easy peasy to understand, when I break it down fer ya
what wimmin want is an "effective" male
one who can cary their burdens without complaint and who can protect them
(yur a combination dawg and donkey!)
dewds who KNOW how to make money and LOTS of it are at the top of this list
so most valuable thing ya gotta learn me boyo, is how to make MONEY
that's actually not hard to learn, but it does involve a LOT of effort
what else to learn?
there are ways of drawing female attention that turbo-boosts yur attractivenes
but they to involve work
art and music are perfect things to learn and create with that can be used as pooty tang magnets
death has 1,000 doors to let out life
but life has a 1,000 doors to let in Pooty Tang
and you ain't EVER tried to learn how to open any of em
instead you cryin, "I ain't gettin NO POOTY TANG WAAAAAAA"
don't be cryin
be doin
as ye sow, so shall ye reap
you must plant and grow yur own future Trench
you and Bee Farmer need a kinda 'awakening' to emerge from yur life long slumber spent in isolation
if yur life had a reset button, I'd push it right NOW, if I were you guys, but that's probably too much effort to
so no, go back to sleep, one day the nightmare will all be over, it's ok...there...there...
zzzzzzz
Trench,
bottom line, as you currently are, you could never be some woman's dawg&donkey and take care of her problems
instead you'd just become another problem to them
and they sense that, wimmin are very CLEVER when it comes to lookin out for themselves
you have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting
you can either take that lying down, or get up and do something about it
what's it gonna be?
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That's the whole point Daveman.
Students should not be majoring in anything that does not have good job prospects
upon graduation.Parents, high school advisors, and university advisors are at fault
for allowing students to take useless majors.
What I told my own children still is valid today.
"I will not pay for any college degree that does not have a major in Business,
Engineering, Computers, or Health Sciences."
And there should be no loans involved.
If funds are not fully available, then the first two years should be at a junior
college.Then, with good grades, many scholarships are available for years 3 and 4.
Graduate school is often free as there are many GTA and research assistant position
available which cover all tuition and even some spending money.
I would support almost all trade schools. If you want to be a welder, plumber,
electrician, diesel mechanic, etc.
If you want to study French Art History then go into the service and pay for it
with the GI bill. By the time you have been in the military for 4 years, you will
have learned what it's like to live on low wages (and how much it sucks). It's
highly doubtful you will spend 4 more years studying and going into debt to
pursue a career that doesn't pay triple (or more) than you would make as a
supply clerk in the Air Force.
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Quotes the 6' 7" Basketball Jock ;D
Boo-hoo, sob, whine, woe is me, I want my Mommy, it's everybody else's fault that
I am too lazy to fix anything about myself, it's everybody else's fault that
I am too lazy to fix anything about myself, it's everybody else's fault that
I am too lazy to fix anything about myself, it's everybody else's fault that
I am too lazy to fix anything about myself, it's everybody else's fault that
I am too lazy to fix anything about myself, Boo-hoo, sob, whine, woe is me,
Boo-hoo, sob, whine, woe is me, Boo-hoo, sob, whine, woe is me,
I told you what to do.
If you are an incel, or shy, or not as confident as I am, you should
work on yourself, hit the gym 5-6 times per week, learn some Russian
while you are on the treadmill AND join toastmasters.
If you want to make excuses, or complain, do it to someone else, somewhere
else.
"It is wise to direct your anger towards problems - not people; to focus your
energies on answers - not excuses." William Arthur Ward
If you want to make excuses, or complain, do it to someone else, somewhere
else.
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I would support almost all trade schools. If you want to be a welder, plumber,
electrician, diesel mechanic, etc.
If you want to study French Art History then go into the service and pay for it
with the GI bill. By the time you have been in the military for 4 years, you will
have learned what it's like to live on low wages (and how much it sucks). It's
highly doubtful you will spend 4 more years studying and going into debt to
pursue a career that doesn't pay triple (or more) than you would make as a
supply clerk in the Air Force.
Why on earth would you support that? I wouldn't, trades are usually a bad option, they usually confine you to being a member of the working class, if self employed they are usually typical working class businesses.
Many people get the wrong idea about trades and have the rose tinted specs on.
They see a dude rolling around in his own brightly coloured van and think he's doing well for himself, but, it's the outward show that makes it look that way. Under all of that, the van costs money to buy, sign write, maintain, insure, run and replace. There is then the materials to buy for the job, possibly advertising costs, there is then money spent running around to quote for jobs you may not get, then money spent going to the job. After all of that the customer has in their mind to go for the cheapest decent enough guy and it's a race to the bottom to provide the lowest quote. Odds are you are only going to be able to do so hang jobs a week and any spare time is sitting around waiting for the phone to ring where you are earning nothing. Then there is tax, in the UK the trades are probably the most heavily scrutinized by the taxman, if I wanted to avoid paying tax a trade would be the last place I would chose, the taxman has a real obsession about going after them.
Then there's the job itself. Employers will want an Electrician, Plumber/Heating Engineer to do the job real fast. Think doing high level electrical work in a big tower block/office block is easy and at a fast pace, think again, it's one ordeal I would not want, it's real difficult to do that work fast and you can't stuff it up. Self Employed can usually work at an easier pace but the person won't want you living in their home. That's not easy work either, trying to route around pipes, wires, etc or having to pull them out of walls and make good is no joy, it's often awkward, time consuming & messy. Often extra work is needed and that tends to cost, the customer will be unhappy paying more or you'll have to foot the cost. It's all too easy to underquote for work and end up doing a lot more work than you thought if might be and a lot less profit per time worked - i.e the job ends up going on far longer, that happens a lot in the trades for most trades.
The easiest trade going is probably painting, less to learn, easier work, more pleasant possibly more satisfying. It can pay well but getting enough work in can be an issue and sone have other jobs alongside. Trades such as Electrician & Heating Engineer take a lot of learning and good money normally only comes in towards the end of a career unless you get lucky. The main thing is, is that it's no walk in the park, people see the trades as some way you can make good money but the reality is different. I've had family members who were trained Electricians and done plumbing work and its far from being a dream, they did ok enough but if I had a son I wouldn't be recommending trades to them, better to spend brain power in stuff like the financial services like ML suggests, payback is likely to be way better.
In addition many girls don't like guys who are dirty looking these days, can be as little as a grubby looking finger. Not all stuff comes off easy and so having a further negative that will turn off women is not a good thing. Some smart looking dude in a suit that knows the ins & outs of the financial world is probably going to do better and be more attractive to a girl kind of as Krim suggests I guess. Perhaps I should get into the financial service sector :-\
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Trench, I should take a picture of the mansion my neighbor lives in and send it to you
he OWNS his own plumbing company, he's a high school graduate....his other neighbor is a dcotor...yrs ago all their kids played together in the pool with my daughters...
having a pool full of bikini clad high school girls NEVER bothered me in the least...
Russian wimmin fall down on their knees and worship men who can "fix stuff" cuz EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING is phuqued up in Russia/Ukraine
so you a plumber, electrician, etc, you already a "leg up" on "Yuppies"
and it's SO freakin EZ to take these kinda skillz and make money with it
HVAC repair/customization/installation, plumbing, electrical
plus you have the skills to make stuff and sell that to
for example, you an auto-electric technician
you can learn how to rebuilt junk alternators for rare and exotic cars you find in junk yards and resell them online
or turn any old junk alternator into an electrical generator and sell that
you never learned how to make or sell stuff
or how to leverage yur own knowledge and skillz into ideas and actions to make money
golly, seriously, a guy with some kinda art/architecture history degree can't figure out some way to leverage that into money makin in the freakin UK????? LOL!!!!!!!
Blimey! the British are obsessed with their past, cuz they sure as phuque don't wanna think about the future
the British History/Antiques market is vast
and you can't figure out ANY WAY at all for you to capitilize on that????
here's yur last ditch effort to obtain pooty tang
remember the movie "Free Willy"
yeah...
get a helium balloon on a string and attach a sign that sez "Free Willy"
and tie the end of the balloon's string to yur willy and have it run it out yur zipper (use thin string in case an aggressive FAT WOMAN yanks hard on it!)
and stand on a busy corner with the ballon sign, and hope for the best
if you did this, your willy would have seen more "action" in one day, then you've had all yur life
I GUARANTEE THIS or I will refund 100% the cost of this advice
y'know, normally I wouldn't do this, but in yur case, I'll refund 300% the purchase price of this advice should it fail!!!
I know ya'll probably think this dumb
but if Trench went to Kyiv, and stood on a street corner with a big sign that says
"I'm an Incel, Please Help" in English/Ukrainian
he'd actually get nibbles
how do I know?
cuz I've witnessed this kinda stuff ACTUALLY HAPPEN there!!!
and sat there AMAZED when it did!!
all you incels are just gonna keep singin, "The Seed Spiillin Blues"
IMHO, yur all just so used to that...yur not motivated...
j'accuse
you be like, "yeah, I'm gonna get motivated and have a plan"...but first "a little porn surfin"
20 minutes later, forgets all about gettin motivated and havin a plan...
CONVINCE ME, I'm wrong...
ya can't, cuz I'm NOT
if Willy Wonka becomes Willy Wanker, he ain't gonna get NO CANDY MAN!!!
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Why on earth would you support that? I wouldn't, trades are usually a bad option, they
usually confine you to being a member of the working class, if self employed they are
usually typical working class businesses.
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I don't know a single self employed plumber who makes less than $150K per year.
I know several that double or triple that amount. It takes 4 years of work experience
to become a journeyman. A journeyman worker bee plumber in Austin makes about
$80K working 40 hours per week. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
You should not post when are totally clueless on a subject.
Trench I want you to start a new thread writing what you think about repairing satellites
in space. In the next post same thread I want you to start writing about the math involved
in predicting orbital decay of those repaired satellites. Next post same thread I want you to
write about your theories for poor men who want to seduce supermodels.
You should not post when you are totally clueless on a subject.
You are so annoying!
Was Moby an idiot savant about you?
I have far better uses of my time. I could go into the other room
and play with my son or kiss my wife on the back of the neck.
I am going to do both.
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I don't know a single self employed plumber who makes less than $150K per year.
I know several that double or triple that amount. It takes 4 years of work experience
to become a journeyman. A journeyman worker bee plumber in Austin makes about
$80K working 40 hours per week. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
You should not post when are totally clueless on a subject.
Trench I want you to start a new thread writing what you think about repairing satellites
in space. In the next post same thread I want you to start writing about the math involved
in predicting orbital decay of those repaired satellites. Next post same thread I want you to
write about your theories for poor men who want to seduce supermodels.
You should not post when you are totally clueless on a subject.
You are so annoying!
Was Moby an idiot savant about you?
I have far better uses of my time. I could go into the other room
and play with my son or kiss my wife on the back of the neck.
I am going to do both.
Then the US must be a very different place to the UK. I know you could get more money over there, but that much!!!
What a shame I don't have US citizenship and no way to get it, or likely a work visa. I would be over there in a great hurry, work a few years then retire back to the UK & buy a holiday home somewhere warm in the winter. Literally $150k is like stockbroker/celebrity money over here, even $80k is very good money, way above average. To hell with it, it would be worth me coming over and staying over illegally! No Immigration guys are going to be looking for white dudes, so long as I keep my nose clean and stay under the radar I would unlikely be picked up. If you had told me this when first coming on here I would be sorted money wise now lol.
So what's the deal, why do much money? I don't get it! I can do plumbing at the moment, any idiot can stick bits of copper pipe together. Gas Engineer takes a lot more brains and skill if you are including that in Plumbing but that's still way better money than a Gas Engineer would get here.
I don't really get why everyone isn't becoming plumbers out there, if the money is so good there, but apparently pretty poor in the US army by some guy's reckoning on here (supplies clerk, etc). Why aren't loads of people wanting to stick bits of pipe together???
Along my road in Wales there is an Electrician guy, nice brightly painted van advertising his services. A pain as the bulky vehicle takes up a lot of roadside parking space. However, my main thought is, 'why is this Electrician guy working here if the get paid soooo well?' The house price ceiling for the road is probably currently around £150k. So he should be able to afford a lot bigger and better house, at least with some space around it rather than slapped right next to each other.
In the UK the answer usually is, if word gets out that there is money in something then everyone is there. Then there is no longer money in it. Supply swamps demand and people can't charge good money, it becomes a race to the bottom on what you can charge as people play your competitors off against you.
So why so much money for a plumber in the US?
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This site gives a little lower average pay estimate for your standard Plumber in the US:
http://www.glassdoor.co.in/Salaries/us-plumber-salary-SRCH_IL.0,2_IN1_KO3,10.htm#:~:text=Plumber Salaries,-Updated 5 Mar&text=The average salary for Plumber,a range from %242%2C410 - %244%2C498.
So about between $45k - $75k, depends on living costs, still quite good but if self employed then the cost of van, etc off that possibly. Depending on where and how buildings are constructed (i.e access) the difficulty of the work may vary.
In the UK the average estimate for a self employed plumber starting off is around £28k or so. However, getting established is another matter, good reviews are needed on check a trade to get into it. A case of few if anyone wants to hire someone with no previous customers. So that cliff face might be too steep for sone to get over. Same thing with running costs. Most jobs will likely be difficult for access in the UK as nearly all buildings have stuff hidden under floors and in walls.
In my present job I could earn a good £30k or so by doubling my shifts. About a 58 hour week. My guess is when all is said and done the plumber won't be working a lot less hours but working harder. Add in journey times to the job and back, to pick up supplies at the trade places, and the job taking longer than expected. When a family member had some plumbing work done recently he took longer than thought, spaced over a 2-3 days or so.
Both cases tax would be taken off, of course.
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Here's a forum site about getting into the Plumbing trade:
http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-being-a-plumber-in-the-United-States
A lot of US reviewers on there and a few from the UK, many from Plumbers.
The reviews generally emphasize back pain & contorted positions. I can verify that from the plumbing stuff I've done.
Pay can be reasonably good but many say you're unlikely to become wealthy.
Pay varies, the top end is big that common, possibly in pricey cities to live like London.
One US guy commented that his local college was axing it's plumbing course due to lack of any interest. Apparently Plumbers in the US are retiring faster than Youngsters are entering the trade. Must be a reason for this I am guessing.
My favourite comment from a UK Plumber guy was:
Cons: Hearing stuck up people telling their children “you need to study hard and do well at school if you don’t want to end up like him”
Lol :ROFL:
I think that's the thing, like a lot of trades both sides of the pond it's likely a pussy killer. Women always start pigeon holing guys to what they think their status is in life by their job, a blue collar job like Plumbing will land you in a bottom pigeon hole, without the woman stopping to ask how wealthy you are they'll write you off. Even if you told them they have probably made up their mind by then it won't believe you, their status ranking order firmly fixed in their mind. On top of that is the usual dirt and grime that comes with the trades that will condemn and young guy to a life of celibacy. No wonder why they are running away in their drives, what young heterosexual guy wants to strike himself out with the women from the get go! Right at the beginning of his life in his late teens when most women are at their hottest!
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Then the US must be a very different place to the UK. I know you could get more money over there, but that much!!!
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
So why so much money for a plumber in the US?
Supply and demand
The reason that UK salaries are 50-60% less is that you want the government
to do all sorts of things for you. Or you allow the government to force businesses
to do things for you. Look at your price for petrol and it's the same story.
If you want higher wages tell the government to stay out of your life and tell them
to leave businesses alone. If you move to where the money is, you will make more
money. I don't want to read your excuses why you don't want to do this.
I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care!
http://www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-plumber-salary-in-woodstock-oxfordshire
http://www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-plumber-salary-in-tonbridge
http://www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-plumber-salary-in-epsom
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I think that's the thing, like a lot of trades both sides of the pond it's likely a pussy killer.
Stay on topic.
Your question was why would I support a child entering the trades, I answered.
I didn't tell you to do it. I don't tell my kids to do stuff for the pussy you ______
(enter polite word for moron here).
If the guy is a brainiac and loves school then he should go in for one of the Stem fields.
Science, technology, engineering, and math OR a non Stem field like business. If he isn't
a brainiac or doesn't care for school then the trades and/or the military is the way to go.
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find a bizness whose product consists of "parts" and "labor" and you supply the labor., like plumbing..
become a distrbutor/installer/repairer for these products like hot water heaters
"rule of thumb" each sale is half product and half labor, and you get a % on product sales as well
when I was in college, I worked as a roofer, plumber/electrician's helper...
and had my own interior/exterior house painting business which is probably the easiest and least expensive business to setup for you
I did everything brush and roller (and my arms/abs were 'rippled'), today I can airspray and be ten times as fast as I was and have a smoother finnish, and the colors, WOW!
I wonder if some kinda antiquity expert might come up with kinda interesting designs for interior spaces
that a painter could implement on a unique custom basis and advertise and promote this bizness in the Midlands
but what I REALLY WONDER...
is WHO?
WHO wrote the book of LOVE?
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Supply and demand
The reason that UK salaries are 50-60% less is that you want the government
to do all sorts of things for you. Or you allow the government to force businesses
to do things for you. Look at your price for petrol and it's the same story.
If you want higher wages tell the government to stay out of your life and tell them
to leave businesses alone. If you move to where the money is, you will make more
money. I don't want to read your excuses why you don't want to do this.
I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care!
http://www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-plumber-salary-in-woodstock-oxfordshire
http://www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-plumber-salary-in-tonbridge
http://www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-plumber-salary-in-epsom
A lot of those headline averages aren't born out by the salaries on the site. Beneath one is a vacancy for £40-45k but odds are once you are in it, it will depend on how much work the hand for you as and when - UK Employers are like that, you only find out the whole deal once you go for interview/in the job. The often wang a little and the deal often isn't as good as the headline offering. It's not always out but the more lucrative looking the job the more likely it will be.
The £225,000 average one is probably a joke, someone inputting fake figures. I don't see it even in an expensive city like London.
Its true, if the government sold off the rest of what they had, NHS, Schools, etc, stopped paying companies to provide for services and more like the US told people they have to pay for their own medical care, school fees and provide for their own housing then taxes would be a lot less on individuals and businesses.
However, pay would likely, like in the US rise for the harder jobs and not so for the less hard work jobs. Therefore from where I am standing in a less hard work job my bread is best buttered how things presently are. Less social housing support would be ok as I own my own house but other than that I do better under the present system. No point me doing a harder job where I would end up paying more tax and there being not a lot of difference in pay as a result.
So there's the world the way we would like and the world the way is, I just roll with the way the world is at present in the UK. Otherwise I would be lining myself up for a beating in some hard work job needlessly and there is not much common sense in that.
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Stay on topic.
Your question was why would I support a child entering the trades, I answered.
I didn't tell you to do it. I don't tell my kids to do stuff for the pussy you ______
(enter polite word for moron here).
If the guy is a brainiac and loves school then he should go in for one of the Stem fields.
Science, technology, engineering, and math OR a non Stem field like business. If he isn't
a brainiac or doesn't care for school then the trades and/or the military is the way to go.
There is the issue of what a child is best suited too and if a child has a specifically high skill naturally in something then that is probably the way to go. However concern for pussy must always form part of the thought process, what guy apart from gay guys want to scare of the women and end up in life stuck alone in a room alone.
I was pointing out that the trades aren't necessarily as likely a big win area as Financial Services might turn out to be. Read the forum reviews in the link I provided, most tell of excruciating back pain and agony working along awkward tight places. That is what I have found when doing Plumbing a lot of the time. I thought at the time, 'I wouldn't like to do this for a living'. Bill find an awkward plumbing job to do in your home and give it a try, and awkwardly tight underneath area, stuff where the nuts have ceased up, etc it's no joy.
It always makes me laugh when someone has one of those lightbulb💡 moments of what they think a good job is but has never tried it themselves or went online to check out the downsides lol.
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young people all wanna be "Urban Professionals" and not do manual labor
and that's why you make more cleanin Septic Tanks than in some accounting job
follow the money - people always gotta have workin septic tanks - you just be ready when they don't
knowin how to fix people's shitty problems is ALWAYS a way to make money
you let the Septic Tank ENTROPY work for you (septic tanks tend towards getting plugged with sheet) this ensures a continuous need for your services
your businesses MOTTO: NO SHIT!! WE'RE THE BEST!!!
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A lot of those headline averages aren't born out by the salaries on the site. Beneath one is a vacancy for £40-45k but odds are once you are in it, it will depend on how much work the hand for you as and when - UK Employers are like that, you only find out the whole deal once you go for interview/in the job. The often wang a little and the deal often isn't as good as the headline offering. It's not always out but the more lucrative looking the job the more likely it will be.
Can anyone translate word salad to English?
How much work the hand = Me hand love you a long time?
The often wang a little = The Asian guy is not as well endowed?
http://youtu.be/Aj9VArxREqY
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I wish I could be that young again...
asian women REALLY made me paranoid when I was 18/19, I didn't trust ANY of em
other dewds I served with had concubines, these were some greedy HO's and not somethin I ever wanted, I could do my own laundry thank you
later, I met professional women in Shanghai when I was older, and had a completely different experience with asian women
a lotta Chinese women have a "white boy" fetish
THEY will come to you!!!!
especially the taller ones, what the Chinese call "Northerners"
they have this amazing white soft skin
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My first wife was, and perhaps still is, a stunningly gorgeous Filipina woman. Well, half since her dad is American. Our problem was latent religion. Yeah, we discussed all of that well before anything serious developed. Wasn't an issue until years after we were married and she decided to get back into the church, and that's fine -- but suddenly I needed to convert to Catholicism, and, attend mass all the time which simply wasn't going to happen. I went a few times a year, but that wasn't good enough.
The point of all of that is -- equally yoked. Asian religions vary greatly and may even lie dormant waiting to jump up and screw with you.
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Talking to the homely librarian or the cashier with 25 visible piercings,
or asking a little old lady wearing a head band if she was trying out
for the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders gives you skills.
....
bwahahahah! I'm steeling that one...
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bwahahahah! I'm steeling that one...
There was a little old lady holding up the line trying to get exact change out of her change purse.
So I said, "looks like we have another trouble-maker" that got a smile out of her, at the end she
asked, "do you know what I am going to do now? My first quip was "try out for the Rockettes?"
Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders was guess number two.
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Entropy just isn't as GOOD as it used to be!
the dilemma of life in the USA for millenials
our children won't be following in our footsteps
everything east of the Volga River will have Chinese Postal Codes 30 years from now
http://twitter.com/i/status/1773745093968629821
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the dilemma of life in the USA for millennials
our children won't be following in our footsteps
http://twitter.com/i/status/1773745093968629821
They have passportbros.com which is a website, not a forum. What
they do have is find a place to sell $85 hoodies and $59 tee-shirts.
They must know that they can't let the incels and the do nothing
day dreamers chat in public. Nobody will read 10 Trenchcoats ramble
incoherently about how he can't get out of bed and go to the gym.
That would cause nobody to buy a hoodie.
They try to send people to an Asian woman MOB type site. My wife
will not be happy if I was checking it out so I could report back.
http://www.theofficialpassportbros.com/
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the usual 'Disclaimer'
i'm nothing more than a figment of someone's hyper-active narkotika fueled imagination, nothing I SAY HERE is remotely REAL or even TRUE
i'm even lying to you, right NOW!
yes!
that's right!!! I'm a Space Cowboy!
and here's a TWIST!!!!
I don't really even EXIST!!!
or, what the hell, let's just call it an artistic expression of pharmacologically induced fiction from a Schizoid Sociopath and be more real, awright?
I just gotta say, "TWO WORDS" to you!!!
UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE!!
Space Exploration?
I always thought EVERYONE understood I'm a GIGANTIC TROLL who lives under an intensely foul smelling Troll Bridge (the worst most decrepit lookin Troll Bridge EVER!)
for me, this board's greatest pleasure, has been using it as a fertile ground for picking off dumb asses tryin to walk on top of that bridge for nothing more than my own personal amusement and schadenfreude
plus the odd loose change that falls outta their pockets!
and he who waits for dumb asses on RWD, never has very long to wait...
I think that providing RWD Readers with a Sociopath's perspective will be beneficial to those Readers who are more 'neurotypical'
and for them, this will be a 'fresh perspective' more 'edgy
let she who is without sin, cast the first stone of judgement upon me, Mea Culpa!!!
but it's NOT a matter of guilt/innocence or right/wrong...
it's FAR BEYOND THAT!!!
but none of you can understand
Good People Always Think That They're Right
http://youtu.be/RHpWTC_QrwA
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However concern for pussy must always form part of the thought process, what guy apart
from gay guys want to scare of the women and end up in life stuck alone in a room alone.
Your lack of social skills, never ceases to amaze me.
Answer:
1. You study a profession in which you make money.
2. If you study nursing to get some of both. You will be never be rich but you
will be surrounded by women for the rest of your days. Never take or accept
a job to be a broke ass. That is women repellent.
Nursing, 86% of them are women. You will be surrounded by them for the
rest of your days.
$87-130K in Austin TX
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/austin-registered-nurse-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM60_KO7,23.htm
I am not a politically correct even a tiny little bit, but try to stop calling women, chicks and/or pussy.
I don't know why you go down these trails instead of
1. Finishing your house
2. Learning Russian
3. Hitting the gym
Procrastination/fantasy is not better than living real life.
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Bill find an awkward plumbing job to do in your home and give it a try,
That is level 1 easy, part of remodeling/repair plumbing. Compare that to being in a
crawl space under the floor with raw sewage.
Stick to your point or admit you were wrong.
Your original point was "Blue collar jobs suck" and women don't like men who do that.
My point is that you have ZERO idea. You don't know what you don't know AND you
are wrong.
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Then the US must be a very different place to the UK. I know you could get more money over there, but that much!!!
What a shame I don't have US citizenship and no way to get it, or likely a work visa. I would be over there in a great hurry, work a few years then retire back to the UK & buy a holiday home somewhere warm in the winter. Literally $150k is like stockbroker/celebrity money over here, even $80k is very good money, way above average. To hell with it, it would be worth me coming over and staying over illegally! No Immigration guys are going to be looking for white dudes, so long as I keep my nose clean and stay under the radar I would unlikely be picked up. If you had told me this when first coming on here I would be sorted money wise now lol.
You sound like a girl in a poverty stricken country...I wonder how some poor, poverty stricken girl from an FSU country could find a way to America and a better life?
You do have a way to get to America. Become a mail order bridegroom.
You find some lonely American woman to sponsor you and marry you. Now, you're going to need to be out of her league for her to consider you. So that means you need to look for women 15-20 years older than you. You're going to need to be more attractive than the lady...so look for fat, ugly women in the 350-400 pound range, as no self-respecting American man is going to want a 60 year old obese woman. Of course, you have to persuade her into thinking that you will always be faithful to her, and never dump her for a hotter girl if you get the chance.
You might have to swallow your pride, but if you can deal with her for 2 years until you can get your green card...you have it made in America. Or you could claim domestic violence right away, and get an immediate green card. And she will have to financially support you for 10 years too.
Look at the bright side. She's going to think you have a sexy, exotic accent...and there is no language barrier since you both speak English. The culture is still fairly similar since they are both Western countries.
Why didn't you think of this - being a boy toy for some obese old sugar mama in America instead of dreaming of tricking some FSU hottie into thinking you were her ticket to a better life?
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That is level 1 easy, part of remodeling/repair plumbing. Compare that to being in a
crawl space under the floor with raw sewage.
Stick to your point or admit you were wrong.
Your original point was "Blue collar jobs suck" and women don't like men
who do that. My point is that you have ZERO idea. You don't know what you don't know AND
you are wrong.
You just proved my point Beel, yes Blue Collar jobs like plumbing suck because as you put it, you have to crawl under a crawl space under the floor with raw sewage.
I've crawled under a crawl space, fortunately there was no raw sewage but the floor was off earth so it was mucky and stinky all the same. I did plumbing work down there, I did it but it was not a joy nor somewhere I would like to be.
Your data for Nursing suggests similar money to plumbing but without the ordeals if getting mucky and dirty, agonising tight awkward spaces for your hands to work in, painful cuts & bruises and being badgered by people on the phone and through email all day many of whom will be wasting your time and just go with the cheapest. You also won't have the pain in the ass of buying a van, tools, having to buy materials all of the time, insurance, running around in it, saving up to buy another one when it needs replacing and doing accounts for the taxman who will view you as another potential tax dodger from the get go due to the stereotypes of tradesmen dodging taxes.
I'm sure nursing and many other jobs/careers have their downsides too but they likely don't stack up as badly as the above, and of course there are many more downsides I haven't mentioned many of which appear on that forum site I listed earlier on.
The problem is Beel is that you are looking at the trades through rose tinted specs, many do who have not done much of that work and/or had family members do that work. I have had both, once you are in touch with what goes on and the whole deal of it then you don't see it so good. I know I see tradesmen rock up and my local DIY stores in their beautifully painted sign written vans and the initial impression is, 'wow they get to run their own outfit, swan around at leisure, pop around and do a few jobs which must pay well due to the fancy van they drive plus get to be their own boss!'. The reality is behind the outward show is usually very different, the van & sign writting cost an arm and a leg and are in debt, they have to dash in and get the stuff quick as they are likely already behind
with the job, then they have their phone off with voicemail calls stacking up they have to get back too, they come to realise that they are stuck in that scene until they pay off the hefty loan for the van & tools, hopefully someone won't keep breaking into their van to nick the tools which the helpful buggers around seem to all too often do like it is their hobby.
If the guy is lucky he can bail out after a few years and retrain at something else. However if he has a Mortgage, Wife & Kids that are relying on that income then unless something else suitably paid comes forth that is reliable then he is stuck with that deal to his retirement/dying days.
It's people on the outside looking in that don't see the real life that these people endure in the trades. Sure things change a little over time, back a few decades ago most plumber dudes turned up in some old van, sign writting not so in vogue then. The plumbing systems were often more complex in residential houses with gravity fed systems of tubs and pipes running everywhere. Now it's often more straightforward with a combi boiler or similar pumping the water around, less pipes & complexity to understand. But it's still not a good deal, you can live in it as things stand due to lack of interest.
Here's the big thing - there is a lack of interest for a reason - it's crap. If it was good trust me everyone would be there, they always are as word gets around then that spoils it as pay falls away. The reason apprentices turn up in the US and then chuck it in after a few days is that they evaluate that it is crap and decide to move in quick before the get caught in it. They see that there are easier jobs around just as well paying. The rose tinted specs come off, they experience the muscle pain of awkward trying to get to it moments, they hear the guy training them bemoaning the ins & outs as above or they see it and they vote with their feet.
Always happens though, every once in a while you get 'the word' going around of, 'how well paid you can get in this or that job'. We had it here when we had a lorry driver shortage due to lack of training during the Coronavirus outbreak. Then after a few weeks of it people came forth with the reality of why lorry driving was not so good. The pay often like many jobs not as good in reality as was made out. Traffic jams meant you worked over unpaid, lack of service areas led to at least one driver pooing in a bag - nice >:( All that and the HGV licence to drive lorries costing thousands with few Employers wanting to pay. On top of that all the usual problems of being stuck on the road 8-10 hours a day in a cab, each day, most days, boring, then any mess up leading to injury to a person risking you being thrown in jail, also risk of death to yourself whilst doing so much driving.
Electricians, roughly 0.2 percent of them die each year from electric shock. Each year you work as a Electrician the risk in theory mounts that you might send up as one of those years 0.2 percent.
Fancy a job in Sales knocking on people's doors instead? ;)
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You just proved my point Beel, yes Blue Collar jobs like plumbing suck because as you put it, you have to crawl under a crawl space under the floor with raw sewage.
Fancy a job in Sales knocking on people's doors instead? ;)
New construction plumbers/electricians don't deal with that.
Top salesmen are typically the highest paid people in the company, business to business
not door to door.
You don't know what you don't know.
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You sound like a girl in a poverty stricken country...I wonder how some poor, poverty stricken girl from an FSU country could find a way to America and a better life?
You do have a way to get to America. Become a mail order bridegroom.
You find some lonely American woman to sponsor you and marry you. Now, you're going to need to be out of her league for her to consider you. So that means you need to look for women 15-20 years older than you. You're going to need to be more attractive than the lady...so look for fat, ugly women in the 350-400 pound range, as no self-respecting American man is going to want a 60 year old obese woman. Of course, you have to persuade her into thinking that you will always be faithful to her, and never dump her for a hotter girl if you get the chance.
You might have to swallow your pride, but if you can deal with her for 2 years until you can get your green card...you have it made in America. Or you could claim domestic violence right away, and get an immediate green card. And she will have to financially support you for 10 years too.
Look at the bright side. She's going to think you have a sexy, exotic accent...and there is no language barrier since you both speak English. The culture is still fairly similar since they are both Western countries.
Why didn't you think of this - being a boy toy for some obese old sugar mama in America instead of dreaming of tricking some FSU hottie into thinking you were her ticket to a better life?
In my younger days saving up some money and hot footing it over to the US could have been an option. Yes my accent could have swung it with a decent girl. I wouldn't go with a girl to use her for citizenship or anything I just don't do shitty things like that it's not the way I am and I would feel too bad. In theory in my younger days I might have got a decent US girl I was into then that would have been ok to be with her for that. However, many US girls are like UK girls in being so up themselves that I doubt even my accent could swing it.
Essentially none of what you mention for living in the US is necessary. I could live there as an illegal easily, passing under the radar as I'm a white guy. Especially if getting income from my house in the UK I would not even need to work there, a small studio or one bed flat somewhere cheap but decent would do. I would use public transport and avoid run ins with the law at all costs. A calm middle aged man decently dressed and minding his own business they wouldn't even think to check. It's the Hispanics that show up like a beacon to them and they are mird bothered with anyway. Besides it seems to be getting to the point in the US that there are so many illegals that they will just legalise them all. They are just getting too many and too much bother to deal with them all, just too big a problem. So anyone wanting US citizenship just be in the country when that happens. Trump was certainly against illegals with his wall and mag be again, but he will be out in four years time. Unless the situation is dramatically turned around in that time I see the legalisation of illegals as on the cards in the near future at some point.
Is it right to go the illegal route, no, but if their are labour needs and more pointedly if the illegals become so numerous as to take up too much resources to deal with it and become a constant pain in the ass occurrence in daily life as an issue all the authorities & services come up against then I can see the US government saying to hell with it. Anyone in the US can register to be a US citizen up to such & such a date and reset the illegal migration clock.
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New construction plumbers/electricians don't deal with that.
Top salesmen are typically the highest paid people in the company, business to business
not door to door.
You don't know what you don't know.
How long do you wish to earn not so good money as a plumber or electrician on a residential construction site Bill?
It would get to a point where you see other jobs that earn the same or more money that you see as preferable. You then have the choice of do the harder self employed can man trades jobs to the general public on older houses, put up with your lot or move on.
Business to business is better than knocking on doors, it's likely an easier gig than being a tradesman, when you are done for the day you are done, you go home and haven't got countless email & voicemail to do and send out invoices, do accounts and any certifications to send out for the work you have done, gee what a fun evening, nearly every evening! :D
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Trench,
Like Bill says, "You don't know what you don't know."
Essentially none of what you mention for living in the US is necessary. I could live there as an illegal easily, passing under the radar as I'm a white guy. Especially if getting income from my house in the UK I would not even need to work there, a small studio or one bed flat somewhere cheap but decent would do. I would use public transport and avoid run ins with the law at all costs. A calm middle aged man decently dressed and minding his own business they wouldn't even think to check.
If you want to rent a studio or one bedroom apartment, they are going to check your ID and paperwork. If you want to live in housing like an illegal, you have a friend/family who is in the US legally who rents a place, and then 10 illegals live in the one bedroom apartment with him. What person with legal residency are you going to use to rent the place and let you live there?
Illegal immigrants have to work for cash jobs. They will be doing plumbing work, in the crawl space in raw sewage, busting their knuckles because it is the only work they can get.
Only the biggest cities have public transportation. America has very, very little public transport.
You will need a lot more money than renting out your house will provide you if you want to live in America unless you want to live in a homeless tent camp.
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You just proved my point Beel, yes Blue Collar jobs like plumbing suck
The problem is Beel is that you are looking at the trades through rose tinted specs, many do who have not done much of that work and/or had family members do that work. I have had both, once you are in touch with what goes on and the whole deal of it then you don't see it so good.
If it was good trust me everyone would be there, they always are as word gets around then that spoils it as pay falls away. The reason apprentices turn up in the US and then chuck it in after a few days is that they evaluate that it is crap and decide to move in quick before the get caught in it. They see that there are easier jobs around just as well paying.
I personally don't have any inclination to do plumbing work as I know it will be another case of once you get there you won't get nearly the money you hoped for and you'll get a load of bother you could do without,
I have a high school diploma, but I never went to college. For a number of years, I have been working doing industrial maintenance. If a guy is willing to work overtime, you can make $80k-$90k a year. Sometimes I end up in crap working conditions, and I always have scrapes on my hands.
Not that long ago, I received a very basic certification for facilities maintenance which cost me $250. (The exam was an open book test.)
I recently received a job offer. I may end up doing some plumbing work like changing water pumps or working on the cooling towers. I may have to change fuel filters and make sure the backup diesel generators are good to go. I may have to change air filters in the air handlers on the roof. I may have to change belts on fan motors. If outside contractors are onsite, I may have to babysit them and escort them around the property. I may have to change lightbulbs, or patch holes in drywall. I may have to babysit a computer, and watch to make sure all the areas stay at the right temperatures and humidity.
This is a blue collar job. I will end up with dirty hands sometimes. I may have to work in awkward positions, and do plumbing work.
Even though I have 10 years as a machinist, and have another 10 years doing residential, farm, and industrial maintenance, I could never get this industry to call me for an interview until I got my $250 certification. After I got the certificate, every place I applied to wanted me to interview.
I was offered an associate facilities technician job. This is entry level, Level 1.
I am told that they will train me, and within 6 months to a year, I will be promoted to a regular facilities technician.
They are offering me a couple bucks an hour less than I have been making. But they are offering me some company stock and bonuses to make up for it. I'm pretty much at top pay where I am now, but this new place says I have potential to make more money eventually. This company that offered me a job is notorious for down-leveling people, and bringing them in a level under where their skills are, to get them cheaper, and then promote them later.
The weird thing is, I didn't really interview for the job they offered me. The company has facilities techs on the mechanical side that do a lot of HVAC stuff, and then they have techs on the electrical side. I applied for the mechanical side, but they didn't have any mechanical openings so [unknown to me] the recruiter scheduled me for electrician interviews. I had 4 different interviews to be an electrician. During one of the later interviews, I asked why they were asking me all electrical questions, when I was interviewing for the mechanical side. That's when I found out I had been scheduled to interview as an electrician.
Then they decided they wanted to hire me, and I had another interview with someone to decide if I would be on the mechanical side or the electrical side. The guy told me my 4 interviews to be an electrician don't matter. They were not evaluating if I had the skills - if they are willing to interview you, they know you have skills they are looking for. The interviews I went through are actually to decide if I am the kind of person they want to hire. (They asked a few behavioral questions, tell me a time when...) So we agreed that I would be a better fit on the mechanical side. So then I had another interview to evaluate my HVAC knowledge and mechanical skills. (I think this was to decide how much to offer me.) It was a really bizarre interview process.
Should I accept this job offer or decline it?
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I have a high school diploma, but I never went to college. For a number of years, I have been working doing industrial maintenance. If a guy is willing to work overtime, you can make $80k-$90k a year. Sometimes I end up in crap working conditions, and I always have scrapes on my hands.
Not that long ago, I received a very basic certification for facilities maintenance which cost me $250. (The exam was an open book test.)
I recently received a job offer. I may end up doing some plumbing work like changing water pumps or working on the cooling towers. I may have to change fuel filters and make sure the backup diesel generators are good to go. I may have to change air filters in the air handlers on the roof. I may have to change belts on fan motors. If outside contractors are onsite, I may have to babysit them and escort them around the property. I may have to change lightbulbs, or patch holes in drywall. I may have to babysit a computer, and watch to make sure all the areas stay at the right temperatures and humidity.
This is a blue collar job. I will end up with dirty hands sometimes. I may have to work in awkward positions, and do plumbing work.
Even though I have 10 years as a machinist, and have another 10 years doing residential, farm, and industrial maintenance, I could never get this industry to call me for an interview until I got my $250 certification. After I got the certificate, every place I applied to wanted me to interview.
I was offered an associate facilities technician job. This is entry level, Level 1.
I am told that they will train me, and within 6 months to a year, I will be promoted to a regular facilities technician.
Should I accept this job offer or decline it?
Are you the Janitor??? Yeerrr :ROFL:
Sorry Beefarmer couldn't resist the joke ;D
Yes, yes, definitely accept the job, in fact accept any job that gets you higher up the pecking order, you are already way, way behind where you should be in your career/life at this stage. The field you chose is up to you but in such Blue Collar work you DEFINITELY do NOT want to be at the bottom. That maintenance cert you should have gone for a while back then more so with whatever you need to get up that greasy pole.
I remember the kind words of BillyB a number of years ago on this Forum. He said something along the lines of, 'some guys in their forties/middle age think it's ok to work a job in fast food joint' that they haven't grown up and got with the mature situation that they should be in, in their life. Fast food jobs are for late teens & early twenties as are supermarket workers, and entry level blue collar jobs.
Beefarmer I mean this seriously and in an inoffensive manner, you have bumbled along so far in an entry level blue collar job, quite content I'm sure, but those jobs are for school leavers as you once were. You should have moved up the chain long ago by doing whatever you needed to but you were too content and happy enough bumbling along. I get it, but almost all you have achieved so far is any savings and buying of assets, house, etc. Sure a steady job where you are happy has something going for it but it looks like you could move up the chain and still have an easy enough going job. Just by learning a few new things. You would likely get more pay, I assume and more importantly 'respect'.
Few girls US or FSW are going to respect a guy that does an entry level blue collar job in his forties/middle age. If a FSW starts of respecting you and will likely soon not respect you once she sees such a situation. For sure a guy can have a job that is not all that and be respected by a FSW if he has sound advice, knows where he is going, is self assured, she is very into him and few better alternatives around. However, if you are in a situation where you could easily get a leg up into a job above that isn't that much more difficult and you are passing it over and all other similar opportunities around she is going to sed that as a negative as Krim says as Slack.
Only way past such is to have another plan I think which you are working on. So you can say, a bit like I do, ok I work as such and such number which is somewhat underwhelming BUT I have plans to move on to this which is much better AND I have this behind me as proof that I am moving that way and am working on it at the moment - so it doesn't look like you are in a dream world, FSW I have noticed are mindful of that as they get so much talk from FSUM about stuff and it's just so much talk.
It's so much better than saying, 'I'm working in this junior role still and haven't noticed time fly by' and the FSW be there and think, 'ok... what are you still doing there again this time in your life'. FSW and women in general are looking for a guy up the pecking order if he's an older guy they go in for status in a big way and see that it comes with older guys. If the guys doing an entry level job he should have moved on from twenty years ago they will wonder what's up with that guy. Blue collar FSW can accept but they will expect it to be up the chain of command a bit at a respectable level. It makes them feel secure with a guy that he knows what he is doing and is strong enough to hold a higher level job.
If you have a high school diploma you have no doubt got the ability to learn and advance, you just have to believe in yourself Beefarmer. These companies are looking for older guys to hold these higher level positions. They don't see a guy in his forties the same way as they see you when you were in your twenties. They see a guy in his forties as responsible as he isn't looking as young and as racy as a twenties guy and is often more stayed and looks that way. People treat you differently if you are in your forties as you look mature due to aging and will take you at face value in that, your presence carries authority, that you are a serious guy who can deal with stuff. It's definitely a time to push yourself forward a bit, as you are already finding it's easy enough to do so with the interest you are already getting.
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No, I'm not the janitor. This company doesn't have any janitors working for them. They hire a janitor company to clean the bathrooms and dump the trash cans. I'm like a half step above a janitor. If no janitors are around and they run out of paper towels in the bathroom, they would probably ask me to put more towels in the dispenser.
Yes, yes, definitely accept the job, in fact accept any job that gets you higher up the pecking order, you are already way, way behind where you should be in your career/life at this stage. The field you chose is up to you but in such Blue Collar work you DEFINITELY do NOT want to be at the bottom. That maintenance cert you should have given for a while back then more so with whatever you need to get up that greasy pole.
But does this job get me higher in the pecking order? I'm making $90k a year now, which is above average, but I have to work 48 hours every week. (not counting the money I make from beekeeping on the side.)
This new job is still doing maintenance, but in a different industry and different machinery. I will be taking an entry level maintenance job in this new industry. It actually pays a couple dollars an hour less than I am making now.
If I tell a girl where I work, she will find out the average salary, and then be disappointed that I am below average for the company, even if I am above average earnings in society. So how does the pecking order thing work in this instance?
Beefarmer I mean this seriously and in an inoffensive manner, you have bumbled along so far in an entry level blue collar job, quite content I'm sure, but those jobs are for school leavers as you once were. You should have moved up the chain long ago by doing whatever you needed to but you were too content and happy enough bumbling along. I get it, but almost you have achieved so far is any savings and buying of assets, house, etc. Sure a steady job where you are happy gas something going for it but it looks like you could move up the chain and still have an easy enough going job. Just by learning a few new things. You would likely get more pay, I assume and more importantly 'respect'.
How have I bumbled along in a blue collar job, when I have above average earnings, despite not having a college degree? Both of my houses and all my vehicles are paid off.
Is this new job going to earn me more respect? It's a cleaner environment than I work in now, and I might not bust my knuckles as often. But I am taking a couple dollar pay cut.
Few girls US or FSW are going to respect a guy that does an entry level blue collar job in his forties/middle age. If a FSW starts of respecting you and will likely soon not respect you once she sees such a situation.
So even if I earn more than the average guy, you don't think girls would respect me, simply because I do blue collar work?
I'm also a volunteer on the board of directors of an agricultural non-profit organization with 300+ members. Does that affect how much a girl will respect me? I have a title and folks in the group look up to me, but I don't get paid any money for doing the job. It's just something I enjoy doing.
If the guys doing an entry level job he should have moved on from twenty years ago they will wonder what's up with that guy.
What if this job didn't even exist twenty years ago? This kind of work is still fairly new. The first job position doing this work was 2006.
These companies are looking for older guys to hold these higher level positions. They don't see a guy in his forties the sand way as they see you when you were in your twenties. They see a guy in his forties as responsible as he isn't looking as young and as racy as a twenties guy and is often more stayed and looks that way. People treat you differently if you are in your forties as you look mature due to aging and will take you at face value in that, that you are a serious guy who can deal with stuff.
This new company is NOT looking for guys in their forties. Most of the people they hire are in their 20's. I might actually be the diversity hire just to prove they hire old geezers. This company started in 1998 after I graduated high school.
This new company actually had a huge layoff in a different department last year. A lot of workers got laid off. They never offered my job to them.
The average tenure at this company is only 1.3 years. Are they going to decide that I'm too old, and let me go in a year so they can hire someone younger?
Should I stay where I am, or should I accept the offer of this new company? I already have an above average income, so is going to an entry level job at this new company going to earn me more respect from women? Or will they just look down on me? I will be one of the lowest paid workers in this whole company. Am I better off staying where I am and being one of the higher paid workers where I work now?
Would you accept the offer?
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No, I'm not the janitor. This company doesn't have any janitors working for them. They hire a janitor company to clean the bathrooms and dump the trash cans. I'm like a half step above a janitor. If no janitors are around and they run out of paper towels in the bathroom, they would probably ask me to put more towels in the dispenser.
But does this job get me higher in the pecking order? I'm making $90k a year now, which is above average, but I have to work 48 hours every week. (not counting the money I make from beekeeping on the side.)
This new job is still doing maintenance, but in a different industry and different machinery. I will be taking an entry level maintenance job in this new industry. It actually pays a couple dollars an hour less than I am making now.
If I tell a girl where I work, she will find out the average salary, and then be disappointed that I am below average for the company, even if I am above average earnings in society. So how does the pecking order thing work in this instance?
How have I bumbled along in a blue collar job, when I have above average earnings, despite not having a college degree? Both of my houses and all my vehicles are paid off.
Is this new job going to earn me more respect? It's a cleaner environment than I work in now, and I might not bust my knuckles as often. But I am taking a couple dollar pay cut.
So even if I earn more than the average guy, you don't think girls would respect me, simply because I do blue collar work?
I'm also a volunteer on the board of directors of an agricultural non-profit organization with 300+ members. Does that affect how much a girl will respect me? I have a title and folks in the group look up to me, but I don't get paid any money for doing the job. It's just something I enjoy doing.
What if this job didn't even exist twenty years ago? This kind of work is still fairly new. The first job position doing this work was 2006.
This new company is NOT looking for guys in their forties. Most of the people they hire are in their 20's. I might actually be the diversity hire just to prove they hire old geezers. This company started in 1998 after I graduated high school.
This new company actually had a huge layoff in a different department last year. A lot of workers got laid off. They never offered my job to them.
The average tenure at this company is only 1.3 years. Are they going to decide that I'm too old, and let me go in a year so they can hire someone younger?
Should I stay where I am, or should I accept the offer of this new company? I already have an above average income, so is going to an entry level job at this new company going to earn me more respect from women? Or will they just look down on me? I will be one of the lowest paid workers in this whole company. Am I better off staying where I am and being one of the higher paid workers where I work now?
Would you accept the offer?
How come you haven't moved up in the company where you are at Beefarmer?
The new job varies, whether they will keep their word and you can progress up in six months to a year or you get ditched and then not get your old number back would be a concern. But if not that job then perhaps another job or moving up in the company you are presently at or going into business yourself in something. If you have two houses (I assume you rent one out) fully paid up for them you have money behind you. I would use that as a springboard onto something else. Even if it's buying another house to rent out.
I get it the entry level blue collar job you're in pays well enough for easy enough work and you may even enjoy it enough. There's a kind of common sense to having a job that is a good deal and being at a good place in life financially. I am kind of that way myself, my job isn't exactly blue collar probably more white collar but it's an easy going stable enough job that brings a steady income in. There's practicality of the common sense situation but then there is also how women look upon it.
Personally I wouldn't want to go a job women look upon better but is much worse in job stability, more harder work without better pay, etc. I think in your case they would look at the job and decide at face value on the job title & job description. Few girls would be interested to look up the pay, etc they take it literally at that. Many would not respect you on that basis and walk, they would see you as unambitious, low status, etc. It's a shame they are that way but they just are. If you went in Fdate and contacted some pretty girls and told them up front what you do I guarantee your inbox from them would go quiet all of a sudden lol. It's what they are like.
The thing is why are people in your area passing over on a job that is well enough paid at an entry level? As you say better than average. It's easy enough work. My guess would be that although it's a good deal the blue collar aspect and the status put them off. Hence the company are paying better money than the would usually to improve the appeal of the job. Again most young guys doing want to tell the women, their girl if they have one, 'yeah I am now working in this low status blue collar work that is dirty & grubby and I bust my knuckles doing it' even if it was decent pay and he told them it would turn off the women. Women are real status snobs, have been over that last few decades. You may get away with it if you're a pretty boy, good socially, gym bod, i.e desirable in other ways but in itself it's going to bust your chances with so many women.
I'm somewhat in the same bag although my job isn't blue collar it's a job many women would be unimpressed by, whild it's a clean environment and has stuff going for it, responsibilities, position, etc the pay is low in this case and so is the job status somewhat. I uses to tell a few hot girls in Fdate what I did and they used to walk. If I was lucky they might give me time to explain and they might get it that it's a good stable job and the taxation system in the UK means going for something else is not worth it, but it usually did me few favours. The US system is of course different, there you have to pay for everything individually rather than through the State. I don't knock it, hard work gets rewarded better in general and the focus becomes on the individual providing more. I would have probably done well out there. I had never been in hospital so low costs on that one, I would go for harder jobs if the payoff was there in terms of pay & girls, etc.
I dunno, if it were me I would really try and move in now Beefarmer if possible. There is being comfortable in a steady well paying enough number and there is being too comfortable and not aspiring for more. Up to you to weigh it up and decide if you want to make the move, it's your responsibility what you do in life, but if it were me I would look into what businesses to start that would bring in decent money as a replacement. If you look at it that there is a whole hierarchy (whether we accept it or not) then what you are doing is way down right near the bottom. There are guys way up that hierarchy that would laugh at such stuff, that's nearer to where you need to be. Once I've finished my house here the job I am doing will be jettisoned as soon as I can get something else going that is good. The UK I think is a much tougher economic environment than the US so I think you have an easier chance to get in in that respect.
Some FSW aren't pretty girls and they don't care what you do so much so don't you may get away with it. Any pretty girls though just won't like what you do as it won't sit well with their princess image. It's up to you the girl & type of work you go for but as Jordan Peterson points out wealth women only value so much in itself it's status that they value much more highly. Fail on that and it can lead to a lot of problems with them.
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Generally most women are like bad pawnbrokers, they'll weigh up a guy regardless of all else based on his job alone. Women just love to peg a guy by his job/work. They'll insist a guy is worth something by what he is not who he is, so if he is working as a cleaner they'll insist he is of low value, poor, failed in life even. That will be without knowing his bank balance, assets, etc, or wanting to ask women just love to pigeon hole guys, they are like, 'oh yes he is that because he does that, yes he is!' If you told them the guy who is a cleaner us reasonably well off and only needs a steady number that brings in roughly the same money as a harder more stressful job that is seen as higher status they will look at you in disbelief and not really want to believe it.
I've been there and seen women like that, it's kind of funny to see how inbuilt it is in them, like they've been given a list of who gets pegged where for doing what job. They seem to get reassurance and a sense of satisfaction out of doing so like they know where everyone stands, what someone is worth and I guess to set their worth against them to see what they can get, what they are worth.
A job forms a large part of the equation but also stuff like what you have in the way of a car, what you wear, etc. Time over again if I was going for a local girl I would by a flash car even a second hand flash car and buy some decent fashion brand clothes at an early age again in my late teens, but them in the Easter, Summer or Christmas Sales or whatever. Girls notice that shit I just kind of regarded it as shit. I saw a t-shirt, etc and thought well it's a decent enough t-shirt at a cheap enough price and I like the design if it had one. The expensive t-shirt I just thought it's not worth nearly the price it was displayed for. Little did I realise though at the time that many women read a lot more into it all than that. The expensive price tag for the lord expensive clothing is worth it as women value you more as a result to me it doesn't matter dick shit about it all but to them it'd the be all and end all. So doing that could have given me a easier time getting women, not necessarily a good woman but a woman nonetheless. Of course job is still going to play into it a job they regard as very low status they would probably just be confused. A reasonable status job to them say an office job and they will likely be turned on by it, or as a student even. The thing is with clothing is that it can be worn many times for a very long number of years so buying more expensive clothing isn't as pricey as it at first may seem. I have many clothes in my wardrobe that are still in good condition dating back to the nineties. The fashion hasn't changed a lot over the past three decades, sometimes even coming back around, slightly retro looks even being in style. Once you're past childhood and dine most of your growing and messing about with associated wear & tear most clothes last a very long time indeed with only a few not lasting the distance.
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How come you haven't moved up in the company where you are at Beefarmer?
It's a smaller company, so I have to wait for people to retire or die. There are a couple guys ahead of me who enjoy working there, and plan to work there until the day they die. One guy is 70 and the other is 75 years old. My boss is about my age, and he is content and wants to stay in that position until he retires.
The new job varies, whether they will keep their word and you can progress up in six months to a year or you get ditched and then not get your old number back would be a concern. But if not that job then perhaps another job or moving up in the company you are presently at or going into business yourself in something.
If I keep doing industrial maintenance in factories, any move will be a lateral move, rather than an upwards move. To advance beyond the maintenance level I am now in any factory usually requires a college degree or specialized education.
I do have a beekeeping business on the side, but it would be difficult to scale up to the point where I could replace the pay and benefits of doing maintenance.
Even if it's buying another house to rent out.
Like Bill keeps saying, "You don't know what you don't know."
Interest rates have been going up the past few years, combined with skyrocketing house prices. Now is not the time to be buying another house. Demand exceeds the supply.
I get it the entry level blue collar job you're in pays well enough for easy enough work and you may even enjoy it enough. There's a kind of common sense to having a job that is a good deal and being at a good place in life financially.
It's actually physically demanding work, and I have to work 48 hours a week. But working hard and working long hours has enabled me to get ahead.
d of that way myself, my job isn't exactly blue collar probably more white collar but it's an easy going stable enough job that brings a steady income in.
You do not work in a white collar job. You have to be middle or upper class before it could be considered a white collar job. You are the working class, even if your job is easy.
Normally, middle class is considered to be $30,000-$90,000 a year.
I think in your case they would look at the job and decide at face value on the job title & job description.
I doubt that. The title is very vague and generic.
Few girls would be interested to look up the pay, etc they take it literally at that.
I doubt that. I think most girls would look up what this company pays workers.
When I was younger, I worked at Rolls-Royce. Girls would melt when they found out I was single and worked at Rolls-Royce. (They didn't care that I was a low paid peon in the machine shop.)
So should I tell girls about being on the board of directors of the non-profit organization, even though it is an unpaid position? It sounds important. Isn't that what girls want?
If you went in Fdate and contacted some pretty girls and told them up front what you do I guarantee your inbox from them would go quiet all of a sudden lol. It's what they are like.
I don't know. If I take the job, wouldn't it be better to use my employee badge as a profile pic so girls know that I have a job?
The thing is why are people in your area passing over on a job that is well enough paid at an entry level?
The company is really, really picky about who they hire. Almost everyone who applies gets turned down. You have a better chance of getting accepted into Harvard than being hired by this company.
There are a lot of job opportunities in my area. The old workers are retiring, and not enough young people to fill the old jobs. Add to that, new businesses are opening wanting workers.
A lot of the people in my area went to college, but they didn't learn the skills needed to do this job. They got other jobs that pay enough for them to pay for bread and circuses, and they aren't ambitious enough to try something new. If you can make $20 or $25 an hour, and can work a few hours of overtime to make more money...how motivated are you going to be to take free online classes just so you can pay $250 to take an open book exam in the hopes you can get a job in a new industry?
My guess would be that although it's a good deal the blue collar aspect and the status put them off.
A lot of the guys in my area work blue collar jobs. Blue collar jobs is the foundation of the American economy.
Again most young guys doing want to tell the women, their girl if they have one, 'yeah I am now working in this low status blue collar work that is dirty & grubby and I bust my knuckles doing it' even if it was decent pay and he told them it would turn off the women. Women are real status snobs, have been over that last few decades. You may get away with it if you're a pretty boy, good socially, gym bod, i.e desirable in other ways but in itself it's going to bust your chances with so many women.
From what I have seen, the average American woman around here doesn't care if a guy is blue collar or not. A blue collar worker who works overtime can easily make more money than a salaried white collar worker.
I'm somewhat in the same bag although my job isn't blue collar it's a job many women would be unimpressed by, whild it's a clean environment and has stuff going for it, responsibilities, position, etc the pay is low in this case and so is the job status somewhat. I uses to tell a few hot girls in Fdate what I did and they used to walk.
No, your job is not somewhat low status. Your job is extremely low status. A girl wants a man who can provide her a middle class lifestyle. If you don't earn enough to provide that, then your job status will always be absolute trash.
I would go for harder jobs if the payoff was there in terms of pay & girls, etc.
I thought you said you wouldn't be a blue collar worker like a plumber. Now you say you would, if the pay was enough. So how much money would a job have to pay you for you to do plumbing work? Or a maintenance mechanic, and have cuts and scrapes on your hands and busted knuckles? Would you do that for $20 or $30 an hour? Would you be a garbage collector for $25 an hour?
but if it were me I would look into what businesses to start that would bring in decent money as a replacement
What do you consider to be "decent money?" What if I'm an introvert who is not a people person and doesn't enjoy sales? I get burned out from dealing with customers for 3 hours on a Saturday morning at a farmers market selling honey.
If you look at it that there is a whole hierarchy (whether we accept it or not) then what you are doing is way down right near the bottom.
Are you standing on your head, if you think I'm on the bottom of the hierarchy? I need you to explain to me how I am at the bottom of this hierarchy. Do you think guys are at the bottom if they are not the very top 1%?
I have above average income for not only my area, but for the whole country. (Even if I am a blue collar worker who gets dirty fingernails and busted knuckles.)
I have a side business with bees, and am admired by women at the farmers market for my bee knowledge.
I'm on the board of a non-profit organization and have a title. Women seem to think it is something special, and will often want to ask me advice on growing things.
I have a couple 4 wheel drive trucks, and trucks are always a chick magnet.
Some FSW aren't pretty girls and they don't care what you do so much so don't you may get away with it. Any pretty girls though just won't like what you do as it won't sit well with their princess image.
So if an FSU girl is pretty, that means she is a princess? She won't care if I treat her good, or if I can provide a solid middle class lifestyle? Do I need to be a hedge fund manager that makes a million dollars a year if I want a pretty girl?
Generally most women are like bad pawnbrokers, they'll weigh up a guy regardless of all else based on his job alone. Women just love to peg a guy by his job/work. They'll insist a guy is worth something by what he is not who he is, so if he is working as a cleaner they'll insist he is of low value, poor, failed in life even.
So if a guy is a cleaner and earns $100,000 a year, he is a failure? But if he is an architectural designer, and only earns $15,000 a year, he is a success in women's eyes? Is that what you're saying?
A job forms a large part of the equation but also stuff like what you have in the way of a car, what you wear, etc.
I play that part good. A lot of the millionaires I know have 4 wheel drive trucks. They wear work boots and blue jeans and t-shirts. That's how a lot of millionaires present themselves, but I take it to the next level. A lot of the millionaires I know wear stupid John Deere ball caps. I wear my cowboy hat to show that I am high status guy. And they will wear cheap Wrangler jeans. If I want to dress to impress, I wear my Levi jeans.
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Like Bill keeps saying, "You don't know what you don't know."
You are arguing with a 5 year old who will will never understand. He is stuck and will never
get above his current position. He has less chance of getting an FSUW than he has a chance
of winning the lottery.
He loves the arguing, it helps him waste his time here rather than doing something/anything
productive.
I should spend less time here as well.
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I am not a politically correct even a tiny little bit, but try to stop calling women, chicks and/or pussy.
I insist on it :D After all who can forget the great James Bond fictional character Pussy Galore! ;D
http://youtu.be/Y-_1NS9kKR4?si=CHDTmO0HiGx8yG8g
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It's a smaller company, so I have to wait for people to retire or die. There are a couple guys ahead of me who enjoy working there, and plan to work there until the day they die. One guy is 70 and the other is 75 years old. My boss is about my age, and he is content and wants to stay in that position until he retires.
If I keep doing industrial maintenance in factories, any move will be a lateral move, rather than an upwards move. To advance beyond the maintenance level I am now in any factory usually requires a college degree or specialized education.
I do have a beekeeping business on the side, but it would be difficult to scale up to the point where I could replace the pay and benefits of doing maintenance.
Like Bill keeps saying, "You don't know what you don't know."
Interest rates have been going up the past few years, combined with skyrocketing house prices. Now is not the time to be buying another house. Demand exceeds the supply.
It's actually physically demanding work, and I have to work 48 hours a week. But working hard and working long hours has enabled me to get ahead.
You do not work in a white collar job. You have to be middle or upper class before it could be considered a white collar job. You are the working class, even if your job is easy.
Normally, middle class is considered to be $30,000-$90,000 a year.
I doubt that. The title is very vague and generic.
I doubt that. I think most girls would look up what this company pays workers.
When I was younger, I worked at Rolls-Royce. Girls would melt when they found out I was single and worked at Rolls-Royce. (They didn't care that I was a low paid peon in the machine shop.)
So should I tell girls about being on the board of directors of the non-profit organization, even though it is an unpaid position? It sounds important. Isn't that what girls want?
I don't know. If I take the job, wouldn't it be better to use my employee badge as a profile pic so girls know that I have a job?
The company is really, really picky about who they hire. Almost everyone who applies gets turned down. You have a better chance of getting accepted into Harvard than being hired by this company.
There are a lot of job opportunities in my area. The old workers are retiring, and not enough young people to fill the old jobs. Add to that, new businesses are opening wanting workers.
A lot of the people in my area went to college, but they didn't learn the skills needed to do this job. They got other jobs that pay enough for them to pay for bread and circuses, and they aren't ambitious enough to try something new. If you can make $20 or $25 an hour, and can work a few hours of overtime to make more money...how motivated are you going to be to take free online classes just so you can pay $250 to take an open book exam in the hopes you can get a job in a new industry?
A lot of the guys in my area work blue collar jobs. Blue collar jobs is the foundation of the American economy.
From what I have seen, the average American woman around here doesn't care if a guy is blue collar or not. A blue collar worker who works overtime can easily make more money than a salaried white collar worker.
No, your job is not somewhat low status. Your job is extremely low status. A girl wants a man who can provide her a middle class lifestyle. If you don't earn enough to provide that, then your job status will always be absolute trash.
I thought you said you wouldn't be a blue collar worker like a plumber. Now you say you would, if the pay was enough. So how much money would a job have to pay you for you to do plumbing work? Or a maintenance mechanic, and have cuts and scrapes on your hands and busted knuckles? Would you do that for $20 or $30 an hour? Would you be a garbage collector for $25 an hour?
What do you consider to be "decent money?" What if I'm an introvert who is not a people person and doesn't enjoy sales? I get burned out from dealing with customers for 3 hours on a Saturday morning at a farmers market selling honey.
Are you standing on your head, if you think I'm on the bottom of the hierarchy? I need you to explain to me how I am at the bottom of this hierarchy. Do you think guys are at the bottom if they are not the very top 1%?
I have above average income for not only my area, but for the whole country. (Even if I am a blue collar worker who gets dirty fingernails and busted knuckles.)
I have a side business with bees, and am admired by women at the farmers market for my bee knowledge.
I'm on the board of a non-profit organization and have a title. Women seem to think it is something special, and will often want to ask me advice on growing things.
I have a couple 4 wheel drive trucks, and trucks are always a chick magnet.
So if an FSU girl is pretty, that means she is a princess? She won't care if I treat her good, or if I can provide a solid middle class lifestyle? Do I need to be a hedge fund manager that makes a million dollars a year if I want a pretty girl?
So if a guy is a cleaner and earns $100,000 a year, he is a failure? But if he is an architectural designer, and only earns $15,000 a year, he is a success in women's eyes? Is that what you're saying?
I play that part good. A lot of the millionaires I know have 4 wheel drive trucks. They wear work boots and blue jeans and t-shirts. That's how a lot of millionaires present themselves, but I take it to the next level. A lot of the millionaires I know wear stupid John Deere ball caps. I wear my cowboy hat to show that I am high status guy. And they will wear cheap Wrangler jeans. If I want to dress to impress, I wear my Levi jeans.
You didn't include all that information upfront Beefarmer.
It sounds like from the added info that you are best if staying where you are then, those two guys who are 70 & 75 are only going to last so long however they think they are going to last. A few years should see them off and you'll get in line for a promotion to their position. However, the dilemma is do you wish to become the new them. Surd you will be in a well paid job but what is your social life like? You said you are introvert and we all get what we get in life and don't get a decider on that one. Possibly you are not cut out of a relationship with someone, living with someone.
It's difficult to gauge whether 3 hours at the farmers market is you exhausting yourself on long talks about bees or you just don't have the capacity to socialise even at a calm pace for long. I know his it is as I'm not into heavy socialising or for long lengths of time either. However it becomes a case of how much socialising you like. If you find someone enough on your wavelength then that's ok.
Myself if I had two houses behind me and a bit of money stashed in the bank I would live off that, chuck the job in and go live an adventure abroad. You can probably live like a lord in sone countries with the money you get from renting a house out, rent out two and put your stuff into storage or at parents, etc home and you'll have an income vastly superior to most in the FSU. You could walk around a city out there without having to work but being able to afford more than the locales. People would get to hear, girls would take note and you would be inundated with options, more pussy than you could ever dream off, servicing your bod every night of the week Beefarmer! Or you could stay looking at the inside of an industrial place and the usual durge about what machine to service next, again.
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You are arguing with a 5 year old who will will never understand. He is stuck and will never
get above his current position. He has less chance of getting an FSUW than he has a chance
of winning the lottery.
He's not 5. He's 15. And he did win the lottery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16QAienGPbA
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Beefarmuh, you are ducking the question? What are you going to do in your life? Become one of the old men at your company? Or get out there and live a life?
There's no point looking back as an old man wishing for stuff you could have done at your age. Are you really going to sit life out and turn up to work each day just to work the next?
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Beefarmuh, you are ducking the question? What are you going to do in your life? Become one of the old men at your company? Or get out there and live a life?
There's no point looking back as an old man wishing for stuff you could have done at your age. Are you really going to sit life out and turn up to work each day just to work the next?
Trenchcoat,
What are you going to do with your life? Be old and alone, with a house still requiring just a few
things to finish before you learn some Russian? Or before you go to the gym to become ripped?
Or will you simply dither doing nothing. Wishing for a woman to be next to you?
Wishium: Wishing things to be different without doing anything to make it happen.
Will you delay action to improve your situation until it's too late to find a "chick"*.
How many good years of your life will you spend prattering here instead of productive action?
How many Russian words could you learn if you spend the time learning Russian rather than
wasting your time posting drivel?
* What he should day is good girl, but he at least subconsciously resents women since the
semi attractive thin ones don't want what he offers, so he offers a veiled pejorative instead.
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Trenchcoat,
What are you going to do with your life? Be old and alone, with a house still requiring just a few
things to finish before you learn some Russian? Or before you go to the gym to become ripped?
Or will you simply dither doing nothing. Wishing for a woman to be next to you?
Wishium: Wishing things to be different without doing anything to make it happen.
Will you delay action to improve your situation until it's too late to find a "chick"*.
How many good years of your life will you spend prattering here instead of productive action?
How many Russian words could you learn if you spend the time learning Russian rather than
wasting your time posting drivel?
* What he should day is good girl, but he at least subconsciously resents women since the
semi attractive thin ones don't want what he offers, so he offers a veiled pejorative instead.
I've got a girl and am doing stuff. Life isn't easy here like it is in the US. Beefarmuh here should be winning with two houses behind him and a good well paid job. Yet he seems to be drifting and letting things slide. He's got silly notions in his head of a cut of age for having children. Some Hollywood Stars are having children in their 60s & 70s, that might be pushing it a bit far however with a younger girl they will likely be someone for the child in a worst case scenario. Our Beefarmer just wishes to call time out now and live a lonely life in his later years. It would be so easy for him to have a great life in his position but having attained all he has he is now happy to drop the ball.
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New construction plumbers/electricians don't deal with that.
Top salesmen are typically the highest paid people in the company, business to business
not door to door.
You don't know what you don't know.
Trust me Beel, I know the world of the Tradesman, I've had several close members of my family involved in the trade. I've been near enough to the action myself to know the real deal. I silently laugh at people when I hear how they think the trades are the way to go. Most grab onto what they have heard you can make and they don't fully understand the real deal. Even when you tell them like I have told you here they don't believe it.
So tell me Beel are you going to recommend being a plumber to your son? Knowing that he would have the joys of crawling through sewage in a crawl space.
It is a many times better idea to get into Finance, Sales if he has an apptitude for selling.
If someone isn't good at either of them then I would suggest looking elsewhere than the trades. Only do the trades if they fully understand all of the negatives and have an apptitude for it and they take to it like a duck to water, but generally avoid the trades in thinking it's a good deal to get into.
Like I say, painter is thx easiest one to get into but how many people do their own painting these days? It's not difficult, a pot of paint and some rollers and brushes from a FIY store. All the other trades tend to be difficult that's why others employ you. Plumbing it depends what the job is, I had one woman quiz me a number of months ago about a fitting for a plumbing job in a DIY store. Not as common as it used to be since Google & You Tube came about but shows many so thx jobs themselves where they can. They used to have trade experts in DIY stores before Google & You Tube took off and they were always being bugged by people asking them how to do a job.
The negatives I've listed are really worth a thought Bill, many people suggest stuff for other people without doing it or wanting to do it themselves. If they thought about how the might feel doing it they wouldn't be so keen on suggesting it for someone else. Some jobs are just absolute sheer torture and it's best to get to think about how the job really would be doing it.
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Beefarmuh, you are ducking the question? What are you going to do in your life? Become one of the old men at your company? Or get out there and live a life?
There's no point looking back as an old man wishing for stuff you could have done at your age. Are you really going to sit life out and turn up to work each day just to work the next?
I'm going to keep living my good life.
I'm not one of those bitter, resentful losers who spend their life angry about missed opportunities, or being jealous of other's successes. I'm too busy enjoying the good things in my life to wallow about unfairness that happened when I was younger.
How many Russian words could you learn if you spend the time learning Russian rather than
wasting your time posting drivel?
Bill, I'm not learning Russian, but I am up to 936 Ukrainian words on Duolingo. At one time Trench claimed to be doing Duolingo too. I wonder if he stuck with it.
Life isn't easy here like it is in the US.
Yet, other people in the UK are able to make a go of it. I did notice that you never seemed interested in obtaining the $250 certification for yourself so you could get in on one of these easy jobs.
Beefarmuh here should be winning with two houses behind him and a good well paid job. Yet he seems to be drifting and letting things slide. He's got silly notions in his head of a cut of age for having children. Some Hollywood Stars are having children in their 60s & 70s, that might be pushing it a bit far however with a younger girl they will likely be someone for the child in a worst case scenario.
What makes you think that I am not winning? Because I don't have children? I don't know if you can understand this, but having children is not something that has ever been a priority for me. And now, I don't want to be trying to play catch with a kid when I am 70. Very, very few people have children in their 60's and 70's, and I'm no Hollywood star. (And have no desire to be one.)
Our Beefarmer just wishes to call time out now and live a lonely life in his later years. It would be so easy for him to have a great life in his position but having attained all he has he is now happy to drop the ball.
I know a lot of single guys who are older than me who think their life is much better than being married. Just because you might be afraid to be alone doesn't mean other guys are afraid of it.
So tell me Beel are you going to recommend being a plumber to your son?
Bill, if your son has an interest in plumbing and is a jack of all trades, encourage him to take a look at this free course. If you want to take the open book exam, it costs $250 to get certified. This is an entry level credential for taking care of infrastructure at hyperscale data centers. The computer servers generate a lot of heat, so there is a lot of HVAC work to cool them. Some of the DC's are now getting into liquid cooled processors because AI processors generate too much heat to cool with air. There is a lot of plumbing in data centers.
I have never worked in IT or in a data center, but they offered me (a dumb guy with no college degree but I did get the DCCA certificate) 96,000 reasons to consider working as an entry level associate facilities technician in a DC. I talked to another guy they recently hired for the same position. He did not have maintenance experience, but he had worked for a couple years installing sprinkler systems (another plumbing job) in new commercial construction. He did not have the DCCA certificate, and they only offered him 78,000 reasons to consider working there. These are not made up statistics from some website - these are real numbers from offer letters.
http://schneider.efrontlearning.com/catalog/view/course/id/29/title/Data%20Center%20Certified%20Associate%20%20Exam%20Development%20Path
The Data Center Certified Associate credential is recognized internationally. This probably wouldn't be a good option for someone in the UK though, since they only have 325 data centers in the UK. And they probably don't hire anyone to take care of the infrastructure in those data centers either.
http://www.datacentermap.com/united-kingdom/
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I'm going to keep living my good life.
I'm not one of those bitter, resentful losers who spend their life angry about missed opportunities, or being jealous of other's successes. I'm too busy enjoying the good things in my life to wallow about unfairness that happened when I was younger.
Bill, I'm not learning Russian, but I am up to 936 Ukrainian words on Duolingo. At one time Trench claimed to be doing Duolingo too. I wonder if he stuck with it.
Yet, other people in the UK are able to make a go of it. I did notice that you never seemed interested in obtaining the $250 certification for yourself so you could get in on one of these easy jobs.
What makes you think that I am not winning? Because I don't have children? I don't know if you can understand this, but having children is not something that has ever been a priority for me. And now, I don't want to be trying to play catch with a kid when I am 70. Very, very few people have children in their 60's and 70's, and I'm no Hollywood star. (And have no desire to be one.)
I know a lot of single guys who are older than me who think their life is much better than being married. Just because you might be afraid to be alone doesn't mean other guys are afraid of it.
Bill, if your son has an interest in plumbing and is a jack of all trades, encourage him to take a look at this free course. If you want to take the open book exam, it costs $250 to get certified. This is an entry level credential for taking care of infrastructure at hyperscale data centers. The computer servers generate a lot of heat, so there is a lot of HVAC work to cool them. Some of the DC's are now getting into liquid cooled processors because AI processors generate too much heat to cool with air. There is a lot of plumbing in data centers.
I have never worked in IT or in a data center, but they offered me (a dumb guy with no college degree but I did get the DCCA certificate) 96,000 reasons to consider working as an entry level associate facilities technician in a DC. I talked to another guy they recently hired for the same position. He did not have maintenance experience, but he had worked for a couple years installing sprinkler systems (another plumbing job) in new commercial construction. He did not have the DCCA certificate, and they only offered him 78,000 reasons to consider working there. These are not made up statistics from some website - these are real numbers from offer letters.
http://schneider.efrontlearning.com/catalog/view/course/id/29/title/Data%20Center%20Certified%20Associate%20%20Exam%20Development%20Path
The Data Center Certified Associate credential is recognized internationally. This probably wouldn't be a good option for someone in the UK though, since they only have 325 data centers in the UK. And they probably don't hire anyone to take care of the infrastructure in those data centers either.
http://www.datacentermap.com/united-kingdom/
What good life? As you tell it here your life involves baby sitting the machinery at work, going to church, keeping bees and going to farmers market, and watching that Zeihan guy. Did I miss anything?
That doesn't sound like paradise to me. You could be laid out on a lounger by the poolside somewhere warm and scenic with girls in bikinis all around. You do like girls don't you Beefarmer? Or do you swing both ways and prefer a bit of action with the guys accessing each others maintenance areas? Yeerrr!
Well I don't like to brag but I have passed my 1000 word award for Russian on Duolingo ;D
You made a poor choice in learning Ukrainian, Beefarmuh, it applies mostly to the western side of Ukraine. Sure other Ukrainians know it but many other Ukrainians still speak Russian out of habit despite being fiercely anti-Russian. I fear that choice might come back to bits you on the bum ;)
Most people in the UK are no well off. If anything I am from a reasonably well off family and even I don't find it easy here. Fortunes change and vary but the UK is not often an easy place to make good money. Sometimes even finding work can be a challenge especially anything any good. You're lucky to be born in the US Beefarmer but you are squandering what you have. You have attained stuff and now you think your life is good you are sitting back and being lazy with what you have. You're life could easily be so much better but you aren't willing to take the easy step with what you have to get there even though it would be easy enough. You could be living in paradise but instead confine yourself to the industrial scene.
Many qualifications claim to be international but in reality they are limited to the country they are based in, that qualification would do nothing for me here and Employers would not even know of it. Here a cheap, quick qualification like that would do nothing for you anyway, you would be two a penny and oversupply of such would condemn you to a low wage here.
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What good life? As you tell it here your life involves baby sitting the machinery at work, going to church, keeping bees and going to farmers market, and watching that Zeihan guy. Did I miss anything?
Industrial maintenance is just a regular job. When have I ever said I go to church? Keeping bees is just a few hours a week from the spring to the fall. The farmers market is just 3 hours a week in the summer. You forgot about the half acre of blackberries I have, or the 2000 strawberry plants I have ordered and a patch ready to be planted. I also volunteer on the board of directors of a non-profit organization, but that's only about a half dozen days a year. I have fruit and nut trees that I'm growing too.
The berries don't take a whole lot of time, since I have a group of teenage kids who are good workers and like money.
That doesn't sound like paradise to me. You could be laid out on a lounger by the poolside somewhere warm and scenic with girls in bikinis all around.
That doesn't sound like paradise to me. I would go stir crazy laying around by a poolside doing nothing.
You do like girls don't you Beefarmer?
Yeah, but I don't idolize them or act like a 14 year old boy fantasizing about girls in bikinis. There's a lot more to life than women.
You made a poor choice in learning Ukrainian, Beefarmuh, it applies mostly to the western side of Ukraine.
And the girl I have been talking to just happens to be from the western side of Ukraine. Imagine that.
Many qualifications claim to be international but in reality they are limited to the country they are based in, that qualification would do nothing for me here and Employers would not even know of it. Here a cheap, quick qualification like that would do nothing for you anyway, you would be two a penny and oversupply of such would condemn you to a low wage here.
You're probably right. They probably offer these data center courses in French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Turkish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Thai etc. because they want to give people from all over a false sense of hope that the certification might be useful to get a better job.
And undoubtedly data centers in Europe won't follow the industry standards, because things like fire protection, physical security, cooling, cabling, electrical power, diesel generators, etc will be totally different there.
I hate to point out that you're already condemned to a low wage there. What do you have to lose by learning a more valuable skill? And if everyone else got on the bandwagon getting the certification, you would be one of the first ones...so who cares if the guys coming later don't get the paycheck you do?
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Industrial maintenance is just a regular job. When have I ever said I go to church? Keeping bees is just a few hours a week from the spring to the fall. The farmers market is just 3 hours a week in the summer. You forgot about the half acre of blackberries I have, or the 2000 strawberry plants I have ordered and a patch ready to be planted. I also volunteer on the board of directors of a non-profit organization, but that's only about a half dozen days a year. I have fruit and nut trees that I'm growing too.
The berries don't take a whole lot of time, since I have a group of teenage kids who are good workers and like money.
That doesn't sound like paradise to me. I would go stir crazy laying around by a poolside doing nothing.
Yeah, but I don't idolize them or act like a 14 year old boy fantasizing about girls in bikinis. There's a lot more to life than women.
And the girl I have been talking to just happens to be from the western side of Ukraine. Imagine that.
You're probably right. They probably offer these data center courses in French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Turkish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Thai etc. because they want to give people from all over a false sense of hope that the certification might be useful to get a better job.
And undoubtedly data centers in Europe won't follow the industry standards, because things like fire protection, physical security, cooling, cabling, electrical power, diesel generators, etc will be totally different there.
I hate to point out that you're already condemned to a low wage there. What do you have to lose by learning a more valuable skill? And if everyone else got on the bandwagon getting the certification, you would be one of the first ones...so who cares if the guys coming later don't get the paycheck you do?
I still don't see what exactly 'the good life' is that you have? Yes I see it is better than being poor no doubt but I doubt see what you do in your life that makes it good?
I don't mean bad one of those boring read a book or just lay out there on the sun lounger types, but there must be some more pleasant places and lifestyle than where you are and what you are doing? Nothing that you do would make me feel like I would have a good life in your position aside from owning two houses. I could see the potential there for it to deliver all sorts for me, go anywhere, do anything, enjoy virtually anything rather than the same old same.
If your girl is from west Ukraine then your odds are not good of her ever coming to be with you even after the war. The are often highly patriotic and tied to Ukraine, that area and those areas are often decently scenic enough for them not to want to leave. You could have placed your bets on the wrong area Beefarmer.
It wouldn't surprise me if she came up with another excuse after the war, have to help crippled servicemen, etc. You might get lucky and she goes to you, anything can happen but I don't think your odds srd good from thd situation so far. It sounds like she would rather be nearer her family than you, perhaps she has already chosen :-\
I don't think you understand the UK Beefarmer, here wages for pretty much any mainstream job are flat, there are so many people with qualifications in all sorts of different stuff that there is an oversupply of people who are skilled in most industry areas. The only place you might get higher is, Stockbroker or similar, top Software Engineers, top Doctors/Medical Consultants, possibly top Lab Scientists, possibly top Tech guys, maybe top Sales guys, MP's, etc. That is about it, essentially if you are top (exceptional) in Maths you can get something good paying as most people aren't good in Maths.
The whole education/training/careers has run it's course here, everyone is trained up in almost everything. Remember here Uni and most other training is virtually all funded by the government. Student loans are written off over here and don't count on the credit file. So anyone who ain't thick or unwilling does qualifications. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon here and apart from Maths everything is easy enough for most to get into.
So a free learning course followed by a $250 assessment is going to be no barrier for anyone. I have already looked up facility maintenance jobs and they are the usual £20,000 - £30,000 pay range that is typical for nearly all jobs here. Believe me the will have more than enough Electricians, Plumbers, etc to service those days centres. They didn't build them with no one able to service them around. In the UK whatever you can think of is usually basically been done.
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Trench,
Like Bill says, "You don't know what you don't know."
If you want to rent a studio or one bedroom apartment, they are going to check your ID and paperwork. If you want to live in housing like an illegal, you have a friend/family who is in the US legally who rents a place, and then 10 illegals live in the one bedroom apartment with him. What person with legal residency are you going to use to rent the place and let you live there?
Illegal immigrants have to work for cash jobs. They will be doing plumbing work, in the crawl space in raw sewage, busting their knuckles because it is the only work they can get.
Only the biggest cities have public transportation. America has very, very little public transport.
You will need a lot more money than renting out your house will provide you if you want to live in America unless you want to live in a homeless tent camp.
Not necessarily so, I could just buy a property in the US instead of rent:
http://www.redfin.com/guides/buy-a-house-not-us-citizen
The above link telling that any foreigner (non US citizens) including UK citizens can buy a property in the US. Just the right financing option/balance and location would need to be sorted out.
I could visit Mexico for a holiday first then get a free flight in ;D
In the US I can get three times the salary for a job that requires a bit of skill, effort or hard work than it would pay in the UK. The US rewards people for hard work, the UK does not. The UK just takes the pee out of people working hard by taking advantage of them so the people at the very top, the big business owners get big profits.
Mind you if we are going to be nuked in the near future perhaps an abode in South America would be a better investment.
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I still don't see what exactly 'the good life' is that you have? Yes I see it is better than being poor no doubt but I doubt see what you do in your life that makes it good?
Have you ever grown a fruit tree, pruned it, and watched it grow and produce fruit? Have you ever accomplished something? There is a quiet joy in personal accomplishments. If you know, you know. I just had a batch of chicks hatch out in the incubator. Do you know how much enjoyment it is watching chicks hatch and grow up?
I don't mean bad one of those boring read a book or just lay out there on the sun lounger types, but there must be some more pleasant places and lifestyle than where you are and what you are doing? Nothing that you do would make me feel like I would have a good life in your position aside from owning two houses. I could see the potential there for it to deliver all sorts for me, go anywhere, do anything, enjoy virtually anything rather than the same old same.
I'm not a sex tourist, so that doesn't appeal to me. You will never find happiness somewhere else, if you can't find happiness where you are with the same old, same old. The grass is always greener...
I don't think you understand the UK Beefarmer, here wages for pretty much any mainstream job are flat, there are so many people with qualifications in all sorts of different stuff that there is an oversupply of people who are skilled in most industry areas. The only place you might get higher is, Stockbroker or similar, top Software Engineers, top Doctors/Medical Consultants, possibly top Lab Scientists, possibly top Tech guys, maybe top Sales guys, MP's, etc. That is about it, essentially if you are top (exceptional) in Maths you can get something good paying as most people aren't good in Maths.
So what you are saying is, there's plenty of jobs to make more money...except they are jobs you won't learn how to do.
So a free learning course followed by a $250 assessment is going to be no barrier for anyone. I have already looked up facility maintenance jobs and they are the usual £20,000 - £30,000 pay range that is typical for nearly all jobs here. Believe me the will have more than enough Electricians, Plumbers, etc to service those days centres.
I bet if you looked on job boards, you would find vacancies.
Add 50% to the pay range. That's just the base salary, not the bonuses and stocks on top of the base salary.
A £30,000 salary with another £15,000 in stocks and bonuses is £45,000 total comp. That's about $57,000 USD. That's enough for a middle class lifestyle and to be able to get a girl next door type of girl.
Not necessarily so, I could just buy a property in the US instead of rent:
You can't afford to finish your remodel job, and you think you can pay cash for a house in America?
The above link telling that any foreigner (non US citizens) including UK citizens can buy a property in the US. Just the right financing option/balance and location would need to be sorted out.
if you're an illegal immigrant and you don't have the I-9 verification to be allowed to work, then the only jobs you can get are cash under the table jobs. That means the only financing you can get is 100% down. You can't get a mortgage without income verification for the past 2 years.
In the US I can get three times the salary for a job that requires a bit of skill, effort or hard work than it would pay in the UK.
Only if you get an I-9 so you are allowed to work. If you are an illegal immigrant, you can only get a job for $15 an hour cash doing landscaping or construction.
The US rewards people for hard work, the UK does not.
You're the one who chooses to live there instead of here. Believe it or not, the US does allow British people to immigrate to here. A guy I hung around with in my teens and early 20's ended up marrying a British girl. She came here to work for a British company...and ended up marrying Tom. She makes more money then he did, so he quit his factory job. He is a kept man and stays home with the kids, and works on the family farm. That could have been you.
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Have you ever grown a fruit tree, pruned it, and watched it grow and produce fruit? Have you ever accomplished something? There is a quiet joy in personal accomplishments. If you know, you know. I just had a batch of chicks hatch out in the incubator. Do you know how much enjoyment it is watching chicks hatch and grow up?
I'm not a sex tourist, so that doesn't appeal to me. You will never find happiness somewhere else, if you can't find happiness where you are with the same old, same old. The grass is always greener...
So what you are saying is, there's plenty of jobs to make more money...except they are jobs you won't learn how to do.
I bet if you looked on job boards, you would find vacancies.
Add 50% to the pay range. That's just the base salary, not the bonuses and stocks on top of the base salary.
A £30,000 salary with another £15,000 in stocks and bonuses is £45,000 total comp. That's about $57,000 USD. That's enough for a middle class lifestyle and to be able to get a girl next door type of girl.
You can't afford to finish your remodel job, and you think you can pay cash for a house in America?
if you're an illegal immigrant and you don't have the I-9 verification to be allowed to work, then the only jobs you can get are cash under the table jobs. That means the only financing you can get is 100% down. You can't get a mortgage without income verification for the past 2 years.
Only if you get an I-9 so you are allowed to work. If you are an illegal immigrant, you can only get a job for $15 an hour cash doing landscaping or construction.
You're the one who chooses to live there instead of here. Believe it or not, the US does allow British people to immigrate to here. A guy I hung around with in my teens and early 20's ended up marrying a British girl. She came here to work for a British company...and ended up marrying Tom. She makes more money then he did, so he quit his factory job. He is a kept man and stays home with the kids, and works on the family farm. That could have been you.
US work visas are very difficult to get to near impossible. It has to be shown that the company can't hire a US citizen to do the job. It usually has to be in a very specialised or unique field. So US companies in the shops aren't going to want to bother with that unless there is no other choice. In any case their preference would be for US citizens and not so welcoming of UK citizens. I don't know whether basis she got the work, it's a reach usually as they usually would interview so you would have to travel there for interview (obviously not necessarily so since video chat/post pandemic). Women have an advantage as they are literally more attractive to the hirers who are usually men, even if femal they may feel an affinity for the sisterhood. A man, unless you're a pretty boy or good socially, etc and get lucky your chances are not very good. If you're an everyday looking dude with anything less than exceptionally unique skills they can't find anywhere else you might as well be pissing in the wind, that is the joy that would be received.
I have bunged a few trees in my garden including a fruit tree, it hasn't born fruit yet but may do this year, I am hopeful. However while it was interesting to don't revolve my life around such activity on a continuous loop, there is other stuff to do.
You don't have to be a sex tourist to appreciate women, enjoy their company and oogling them ;D Honestly, you don't have to get married & all serious just because you go out on a date with a Ukrainian woman, you are allowed to date not for sex and then go on and date another woman, so long as the other woman knows you've moved on.
You missed the point of the jobs I was describing, no these are jobs at the very top, there are not many of them again all, you are likely talking just a few percent of total jobs if that, way way less than 10 percent of jobs I am sure. You don't just rock up to those top paying jobs with some cheap and easy cert. Often many years of very difficult study in Maths, IT or similar is required and then when you get the job it will likely be highly stressful and difficult for most of the fed that get those jobs.
All the other jobs in the UK are for much the same money. If you busy z guy you might get some demanding Management job that pays around the £30,000 - £40,000 mark but obviously tins of people are after that work, only so many are considered then they are usually stressful possibly difficult numbers. Plus with the tax regime you won't get much more than the bracket below you on bog standard jobs. This isn't the US, Employers don't pay the money here, in fact if a UK person can work for a US company herd odds are hd will be treated better financially and otherwise than working for a UK company.
The house here has the potential to generate sound good money, also a mortgage is possible but how to go forth would vary. Not all houses in the US are expensive, there are less desirable areas though going to too much of an undesirable area obviously is not a good idea.
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uk vrs usa
if the UK somehow managed to become the USA's 51st state
it would be the POOREST state, worse than Mississippi which is the most phuqued up place I've ever seen in the USA, OMG!!!
in Mississippi, the brain synapses are slowed down, it takes people there ten minutes to say "Good Morning" cuz it's like GOOOOOOOD MOOOOORRRRRNNNIN
Trench, you come to America under a student visa. THEN get a work permit
then marry an ugly American woman who is an Anglophile and git yur USA passport
in a place like NYC you'd get "hit on"
everybody gets hit on in NYC (mainly gays hit on me when I was a youngun in NYC - at least they showed good taste, but "dream-on gurl" you can't touch this, especially with that outfit)
just sayin, you boyz gotta work with whatcha got
problem is, you boyz ain't got much "capital" either financial or intellectual, cuz you are "Poor Boyz"
and it takes money to make money - doncha know?
a connundrum for you to resolve
butcha better hurry - cuz the times they are a-changin, and NOT in your favor
intellectual capital
someone who knows chemistry can buy CBD for $500 kilo and convert it into a psychoactive Delta8/HHC acetate and sell it for 10 times that
and here in the USA, it's even legal now
walk into any vape shop and they'll buy your vape oil - cash
helpful tip: if yur gonna work in the drug industry, DO NOT eat yur own dog food, that was my BIG mistake!!!
also, in the USA, mfg ammunition is a good business as well, and isn't as hard as you think
automatic swaging machine for makin bullets or auto-casting + robotic reloaders
these are money makin machines...and all ya need is some work space
USA has hundreds of millions of guns - and they ALL need bullets/cartouches
during corona boxes of cartridges were as good as gold, and I treated them as such
if you have a spot, you can setup a small furnace for melting and casting metal
bronze costs less than $6 per pound
aluminum from beer cans
you can make a million different things and sell them a million different ways
you can get gemological training from GIA
http://www.gia.edu/gem-education/overview?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNqouuaohQMVARitBh1N-gsREAAYASAAEgK5HfD_BwE&gad_source=1
learn how to grade and buy gemstones
combine that with casting for jewelry
Imagination!
that is your creation!
a REALLY smart dewd, would setup a Ukrainian charity in the UK
and get local UKRAINIAN WOMEN to help ya do it!!!
then master the attention economy in Ukraine
you'd get fame, fortune, and ya know what follows those?
POOTY TANG!!!!
YUP!!!
as an alternative to the above...
you can do NOTHING and then blame the world for not givin you everything
oh wait, never mind....
don't bemoan your lack of access to high paying jobs
instead, make your own job, and hire yurself, and for once, get paid what you're actually worth, insteada makin profit for someone else...
you guys need to "wise-up" and stop bein "suckers"
or not...
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uk vrs usa
if the UK somehow managed to become the USA's 51st state
it would be the POOREST state, worse than Mississippi which is the most phuqued up place I've ever seen in the USA, OMG!!!
in Mississippi, the brain synapses are slowed down, it takes people there ten minutes to say "Good Morning" cuz it's like GOOOOOOOD MOOOOORRRRRNNNIN
Trench, you come to America under a student visa. THEN get a work permit
then marry an ugly American woman who is an Anglophile and git yur USA passport
in a place like NYC you'd get "hit on"
everybody gets hit on in NYC (mainly gays hit on me when I was a youngun in NYC - at least they showed good taste, but "dream-on gurl" you can't touch this, especially with that outfit)
just sayin, you boyz gotta work with whatcha got
problem is, you boyz ain't got much "capital" either financial or intellectual, cuz you are "Poor Boyz"
and it takes money to make money - doncha know?
a connundrum for you to resolve
butcha better hurry - cuz the times they are a-changin, and NOT in your favor
intellectual capital
someone who knows chemistry can buy CBD for $500 kilo and convert it into a psychoactive Delta8/HHC acetate and sell it for 10 times that
and here in the USA, it's even legal now
walk into any vape shop and they'll buy your vape oil - cash
helpful tip: if yur gonna work in the drug industry, DO NOT eat yur own dog food, that was my BIG mistake!!!
also, in the USA, mfg ammunition is a good business as well, and isn't as hard as you think
automatic swaging machine for makin bullets or auto-casting + robotic reloaders
these are money makin machines...and all ya need is some work space
USA has hundreds of millions of guns - and they ALL need bullets/cartouches
during corona boxes of cartridges were as good as gold, and I treated them as such
if you have a spot, you can setup a small furnace for melting and casting metal
bronze costs less than $6 per pound
aluminum from beer cans
you can make a million different things and sell them a million different ways
you can get gemological training from GIA
http://www.gia.edu/gem-education/overview?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNqouuaohQMVARitBh1N-gsREAAYASAAEgK5HfD_BwE&gad_source=1
learn how to grade and buy gemstones
combine that with casting for jewelry
Imagination!
that is your creation!
a REALLY smart dewd, would setup a Ukrainian charity in the UK
and get local UKRAINIAN WOMEN to help ya do it!!!
then master the attention economy in Ukraine
you'd get fame, fortune, and ya know what follows those?
POOTY TANG!!!!
YUP!!!
as an alternative to the above...
you can do NOTHING and then blame the world for not givin you everything
oh wait, never mind....
don't bemoan your lack of access to high paying jobs
instead, make your own job, and hire yurself, and for once, get paid what you're actually worth, insteada makin profit for someone else...
you guys need to "wise-up" and stop bein "suckers"
or not...
Thanks Krim, the student visa route is in is a good idea, I would probably need a bit saved up first for student course fees and it depends his other things fit in, in my life. I'm kinda sorted on the girl front as it is but if I was interested in a US girl I would only want to do it if we were into each other not for the visa as I would just feel too low about doing it, kind of like what some FSW do but in reverse lol.
The furnace idea is an interesting information also. Would have to look into running costs of a small furnace but to be able to make almost anything could have it's uses and it's scope.
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runnin cost is small, you can go electric or propane gas for casting and get started by buying what you need on ebay for the price of a big screen tv
jewelry is the easiest to cast
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Thanks Krim, the student visa route is in is a good idea, I would probably need a bit saved up first for student course fees and it depends his other things fit in, in my life.
Don't hit on the students, hit on the English teachers! I've dated a bunch of them back when I was single.