More Bad News for Russia

[lordtiberius]

If Nuremberg means anything, all of them must suffer until they give him up.

[JayH]

The total number of deaths in the Donbas Russian soldiers than 4 thousand.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/politika/blizko-300-voyak-rf-zaginuli-za-dva-dni-shturmu-poziciy-kiborgiv-u-donecku-pravozahisniki-395225.html

During the first two days of December Russia army suffered serious losses in the Donbas - over the past day during the  attacks on the Donetsk airport killed about 300 Russian soldiers. This is reported by human rights organizations of "load-200 from Ukraine to Russia." Human rights activist Elena Vasileva in his blog published statistics on the losses of the Russian army in recent days. During the last day in the battle for the Donetsk airport killing 299 Russian soldiers have 190 injured, 96 of whom are seriously injured. See also: "Soldiers' Mothers of Russia" was named the number of dead Russian soldier fighting in the Donbas "The total loss of military units involved in collisions, part of the 16th Brigade Special Purpose GRU General Staff of the Russian Federation, parts 200th Brigade Special Purpose PVO (Rostov), ​​Battalion and tank company of the 4th Guards Kantemirovskoyi separate tank brigade, battalion, 22nd separate brigade of GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, assault mouths 106th Guards Airborne Division. Killed - 299 were wounded - 190 (96 of them seriously) "- leads Vasiliev statistics for loss of yesterday. Yesterday Debaltseve and Russian soldiers died on the 32nd Infantry Brigade TSVO (place of dislocation - Novosibirsk region, Shilov). Human rights activists say the two killed and 11 wounded soldiers. During the first of December in the area Avdeevki the Donetsk region, where units were concentrated 36-th separate motorized rifle brigade and battalion consolidated subdivisions 37th separate motorized rifle brigade (both of Buryatia) killed 16 military RF, injured 22 more. Gorlovka Donetsk region soldiers 67th anti-air defense artillery brigade were covered by fire fighters in response to the Armed Forces. Russians were killed 22, wounded 20 more. In the battles of Mykolaivka was killed by a Russian soldier of the 288 th Artillery Brigade Western District. Another six Russians were injured. In addition, according to human rights activists on 30 November in the battle for the airport in Donetsk killed about 200 Russian soldiers. Overall, the fighting in the Donbas 4672 Russian soldiers were killed, wounded 970. Another 2560 people listed as missing, according to human rights activists. As previously reported, Cyborg "Marshall" spoke about the huge losses of the Russian army in Donbas.   
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[sleepycat]

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-bans-black-player-reacting-racism-131414481.html

And yet THE MIDGET is labelling the Kiev government as Nazi fascists.
Maybe he should have sorted out his own backyard first before criticizing others...

[AC]

Fun fun and more fun!

[Brasscasing]

This hasn't hit the mainline media just a couple of fringe websites reporting it so I really hope it's accurate and not more wackadoodle conspiracy stuff from websites like the Center for Research on Globalization.

Anyways, it looks as though the U.S. House of Representatives has taken the first step towards assisting Ukraine with lethal defensive weaponry

Resolution 758 passed in the house 4 Dec 14...

"...(10)calls on the President to provide the Government of Ukraine with lethal and non-lethal defense articles, services, and training required to effectively defend its territory and sovereignty;...

More excerpts from the resolution...

..."H. RES. 758

In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

December 4, 2014

RESOLUTION

Whereas the Russian Federation has subjected Ukraine to a campaign of political, economic, and military aggression for the purpose of establishing its domination over the country and progressively erasing its independence;

Whereas the Russian Federation’s invasion of, and military operations on, Ukrainian territory represent gross violations of Ukraine's sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity and a violation of international law, including the Russian Federation's obligations under the United Nations Charter;...

...The document in it's entirety here...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hres758/text

So, my understanding of the US system is this bill is now forwarded to the Senate for a vote. If approved and not vetoed by the President it could be the start of real assistance to Ukraine (and believe me the US could probably sit back and watch because once ok'd by the US that would open the flood gates for other NATO countries to follow suit).

So, my questions are is 758 real and if so, what are the chances it'll be enacted (also, why isn't this headline news)?

Brass

[Muzh]

Brass, slim and none is the answer.


Maybe it will be re-introduced in the next Congress.

[Chicagoguy]

Aren't we already supplying money, guns and soldiers ?  At least that is what my Russian wife keeps seeing on Russian TV.

[Boethius]

No, no, and no.


I hope your wife is not believing that disinformation.

[Muzh]

Aren't we already supplying money, guns and soldiers ?  At least that is what my Russian wife keeps seeing on Russian TV.

I know Chicago is close to Canada, eh? But that shouldn't change the facts.


Nothing from the US.

[Brasscasing]

I know Chicago is close to Canada, eh? But that shouldn't change the facts.


Nothing from the US.

We're getting there...

Canada to send military personnel to help train Ukrainian forces

..."OTTAWA — The Conservative government announced Monday it will provide more help for Ukraine's beleaguered military, including sending Canadian soldiers to train Ukrainian troops as they continue to battle Russian-backed rebels.

At a news conference in Kiev on Monday, Defence Minister Rob Nicholson said the stepped-up aid is intended to provide "capacity building" for the Ukrainian military.

Canada will provide military and medical training to help Ukrainian forces protect the country against Russian aggression.

Nicholson said the help will include training from military police who arrived in Ukraine on Monday."...

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/08/canada-signs-deal-to-help-ukraine-strengthen-security-against-russia

...About bloody time Mr. Harper.

Brass

[lordtiberius]

Nothing from the US.

Nothing from Obama

[JayH]

WAR IN UKRAINE - ATO
today at 11:28 am
Putin began to realize that Russia is facing disintegration In order to prevent any means disintegration of the country, the Kremlin needs a new strategy. Hence the attempts to soften rhetoric and calls for continuing negotiations with the militants Putin's recent meeting with French President Hollande # 'om and followed her statement - a sign that Russia is beginning to look for a way out of the situation, which has driven itself to its aggressive foreign policy. In the the format of the meeting, which was unplanned and took place at the airport, nothing out of the ordinary is not. Meetings at the highest level can occur in airports, hotel lobbies, while walking in the woods, because diplomacy has many different forms. The key task - to provide an opportunity for dialogue. Given the importance of the issues discussed French and Russian presidents, the format - the latter, which should be surprised. As for the essence of the meeting, it seems to me that before Putin is now finally starting to reach the trap into which he had made ​​himself and his Russian politics. No wonder economists who are aware of things, reduced survival time in Russia if Western sanctions, the collapse of oil prices and other energy will continue, from five to three years. I think # Putin already understands that continue to stick to the line more aggressive means to lead the movement on the collapse of the Russian Federation # . To any means to prevent such collapse, the Kremlin needs a new strategy. In recent days, we can observe a change in the rhetoric of the Russians. Does it pull for a any real changes - this is still a rhetorical question that, in addition, we know that it is impossible to believe the Russian statement. Yet some hints on what the situation is beginning to change, emerged. At the same time it should be understood that the Russian side will somehow try to "stretch" the decision of the situation in the Donbass, which will bring maximum benefit to it. Will this solution is beneficial to us - then the answer is obvious. Of course, no. What really stands behind the Russian statements and hints, it will become clear next few days. The key problem is that Russia # , even declaring a willingness to negotiate, formulate their conditions so that any talk melts meaningless. Therefore, to believe in any practical results the next meeting in Minsk difficult for me - not least thanks to the experience of working with Russian negotiators. And in miracles, I do not believe, so that the most likely option - in the coming weeks, we expect several contacts with representatives of the Russian Federation, which radically influence the situation will not have any. The reason for this uncertainty - that sanctions against Russia has not yet given the maximum effect. In the Russian Federation already understand that the problems are coming. But it is not yet too painful. That's when the pain will be for real, then there will be real steps to resolve the conflict. In the meantime, Russia will only try to bargain for the most favorable conditions. As long as the sanctions remain in effect, and the Russian Federation is aware of the scale, we, as well as the West, we need to actively put pressure on Russia. So that we then do not say "you guys need from us sanctions, while they themselves are trading with the aggressor, buy his goods, flying his plane." Making the retreat of the Russian Federation and at the same time to save her trade will not work. Sooner or later have to decide what is priority for us - trade or national security.
Vladimir Ogryzko # Ukrainian diplomat

[Photo Guy]

I hope Putin does soften his stand on Ukraine. That will benefit everyone, including Russian soldiers. However, there is an element that is out of control- the separatists' military leaders, people like Girkin. And I wouldn't be surprised if there is military funding and promotion from the Yanukovych camp. I'm skeptical about Minsk talks.

[JayH]

PG  --without Russian complicity and support of  Russian military this would have been over back in July when the Ukrainian military were in the process of cutting them off from Russia--and resupply .
It is only the resources of the Russian military and the "humanity" resupply of them ,plus the Russian  military resources of equipment and men themselves that keeps this war going in the east.
Hard to read anything into what is said and done at this stage--last night they withdrew from Kherson region( yes-that was another invading penetration of Ukrainian territory) on the Crimean border -what it means-who knows?

http://tsn.ua/politika/rosiya-povernula-ukrayini-chastinu-zahoplenih-zemel-396545.html
Russian troops left the Kherson region. Ukraine regained part of its territory through negotiations. Russian military weapons and no shots left the Kherson region , which seized during the occupation of the Crimea. This is stated in the plot TSN.19.30 . This spring, together with the Crimea invaders seized the territory of the village also Strilkove and the peninsula Chongar in Genichesk district, Kherson region, and even in Hell Chaplinka peninsula. Now Russians are leaving their positions, and our guards reinforced the geographical limits of the continental Ukraine. Chairman of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine Viktor Nazarenko said that everything was solved through negotiations at the national level. They were long and difficult, but no concessions from the Ukrainian side was not.
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In my post  #761 above--you can read an attempt to analyse situation-so many variables.

My view-- nothing Putin says should ever be believed  or trusted !!

[Doll]

I hope that the situation will be resolved. Don't know how

[sleepycat]

I hope that the situation will be resolved. Don't know how

Huilo dying would be a good start...

[AkMike]

I hope that the situation will be resolved. Don't know how

Simple! Russians go back to  Russia and pay for all the damages as well as returning control of Krim to Ukraine.

  Until then I smile every time I hear about bad news about the fall of the Russian economy.( think of 80-90 rubles to the dollar by spring)

[Doll]

Huilo dying would be a good start...

So you openly wish death to the President of Russia?

[AkMike]

You sure enjoy trying to put words into other peoples mouths. A heart attack, stroke or plane crash will work just fine also. 

[sleepycat]

A heart attack, stroke or plane crash will work just fine also. 

Considering all the carnage he has caused, huilo does not deserve a quick death.
Incurable cancer, dementia or a large tumour on that shiny forehead of his will do just fine.

 

[Doll]

You sure enjoy trying to put words into other peoples mouths. A heart attack, stroke or plane crash will work just fine also. 

So you are openly wishing death to Putin

[Doll]

You sure enjoy trying to put words into other peoples mouths. A heart attack, stroke or plane crash will work just fine also. 

Plane crash was attempted in July.
I hope you were not involved

[AkMike]

So you are openly wishing death to Putin

 I am openly wishing for him to stay inn Huilostan and leave Ukraine intact and able to seek it's own destiny.

But since that's not happening his demise would be a good second choice. 

[Gator]

Plane crash was attempted in July.
I hope you were not involved

Oh yes, that crash.

AkMike was not involved unless he is Israeli.  I read  that the current evidence proves a drone was sent from Israel's secret base in Chernobyl to intercept Putin's plane but mistakenly hit Malaysian Airlines Flight 17. 

I recall reading this in Pravda, or maybe it was перекати-поле.

[AkMike]

Nope I have a rock solid alibi!

I was with my lawyer and 2 judges as well as several Senators all month.


I do wonder where she manages to come up with this kind of malarkey though. Lack of Prozac or lithium possibly?