Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: andrewj on April 13, 2018, 02:36:24 AM
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Hi, what other reputable agencies can you find Ukraine girls apart from elenas models. I have seen a few agencies eg ukraine based and they dont seem genuine.
Thanks
Andrew
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Is Elena's an 'agency' ?
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Forget agencies. do it yourself.
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Avoid agencies at all costs...all those super model pictures that lure you in are only there to prime you up to part with your money. If you need an introductory service for meeting women you won’t be the strong man they are looking for. Russian and Ukrainian women hate shy men. It’s not cute and sweet. Trust me...you might think it’s just to get a feel for what country your visiting and how the women are but you’ll end up thinking you got ripped off and in the end play the victim card like all the fools that wonder what happened when they thought..but things were going good. I thought she really liked me. Agencies know the foreign mindset. They’ll blind you with beauty and make you feel special when they’ll be laughing all the way to the bank thinking sucker. It’s a badge of honour to rip people off over there and everyone is all in on the scam. This is their job and living. You’ll just be another number to them. Good luck
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Hi, what other reputable agencies can you find Ukraine girls apart from elenas models. I have seen a few agencies eg ukraine based and they dont seem genuine.
Thanks
Andrew
Depends on whether you mean dating websites you sign up to online & do it off your own back (just avoid ppl - pay per letter sites) or agencies where you walk in & they have a book full of women to call up to meet with you?
If its the latter then a lot of them aren't genuine, they are essentially set up to part you from your money. Often new agencies were set up and got a good reputation only to be muddied later on by reports of bad practices & dubious women. The thought is that the owners got greedy or found they could only operate using bad practices in order to survive. Of course it is always possible that some of the men who had no luck or were overly paranoid suspected the worse whether it was true or not. I think its possible also that cultural differences also can play a part in how the agent & client deal with each other.
Main problem is that while a lot of girls are put on tap for the client the client can never be really sure that its not all a big scam. If he's paying to meet the girls (as can be expected since the agency has to make money to operate) and paying for interpreter etc then there is an incentive there to keep the guy on the hook for as long as possible. Thus the guy may always have worries that the girl may just be getting her cut of the money for spending time with him. The more longer the dating situation goes on where money is exchanging hands the more likely its a scam. A few agencies exist of course where they look more decent & less likely a scam but Ukraine is well known for its bad dating agencies.
End of the day most dating agencies/agents are usually most interested in lining their own pockets than they are at doing a good cause and finding love for two people.
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Hi, what other reputable agencies can you find Ukraine girls apart from elenas models. I have seen a few agencies eg ukraine based and they dont seem genuine.
Thanks
Andrew
Elena's is a paid dating site, I don't thing they qualify as a agency. Fdating probably has more Ukrainian girls than any other site, and its free, and its real people how are aren't getting paid to communicate with people.
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Just last visit I watched a Turkish man on a date with a pretty Ukrainian girl and her translator. He might have thought he was on a date but my wife could overhear the conversation the two girls were having and basically they were laughing at how stupid he was. She was mocking him to her translator laughing because he couldn’t understand what they were talking about. Then the translator said something completely different then what they were talking about. They got their pictures and most likely posted them on Instagram...the translator and Ukrainian girl sat beside each other while the guy sat by himself on the other side and was pretty much being ignored but he had the look of defeat. I’m sure he knew it wasn’t going anywhere.
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I have been to Russia before . What are people saying you just front up in Ukraine and hit the bars? That doesnt sound like a good plan and sounds like a Plan C.
Plenty of people have used Elenas models with success and have said so here
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He might have thought he was on a date but my wife could overhear the conversation the two girls were having and basically they were laughing at how stupid he was. She was mocking him to her translator laughing because he couldn’t understand what they were talking about. Then the translator said something completely different then what they were talking about.
Yup. happened to me my first trip over and subsequent trips with wife in cafe's we overheard the same thing multiple times. It's a racket.
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Sorry i didnt read all the posts as people were not ditching elenas models. I saw list of websites to try in this forum sticky but this was 2012, is there an updated list of websites with more ukranian options?
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I saw list of websites to try in this forum sticky but this was 2012, is there an updated list of websites with more ukranian options?
Does a company that does good work go out of style?
Lots of the bad agencies change their name regularly since the old name is on a blacklist that someone can Google for. Good companies don't go on blacklists or get complaints in forums.
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Elena's is a paid dating site, I don't thing they qualify as a agency.
The original Elena's Models always had a mixture of independent and agency women, and the latter were always identified as such. You could correspond with all women on the subscription model. This distinction disappeared when the site was bought by Great Media Ltd based in Hong Kong. Unsure if EM still hosts agency profiles.
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If you haven't tried f.dating yet, give it a go. I was only on there for a week and found a handful of genuine women in the first hour.
My mate who I finally convinced to check it out, after months of telling me that I'm an idiot for looking at fsuw and was going to be scammed, is now married to the first women he met on f.dating
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I was only on there for a week and found a handful of genuine women in the first hour.
Getting only a "handful" of women writing a guy is a problem for newbies. They tend to think those legit sites are dead when in fact it's reality that they aren't going to get a ton of women responding to their introductory message/letter. They then go to places where the action is happening and get burned. It's fantasy land when a bunch of 9s and 10s are writing guys but they like it until they figure out it was never real and they're out thousands of dollars.
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It’s a badge of honour to rip people off over there and everyone is all in on the scam.
Are you referring toy agencies or Ukrainian folk, in general ?
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Andrew I thought you were married to a Russian woman before. How'd you meet her? Try the same route if it wasn't too long ago.
But forget 3rd party matchmaker sites. You probably know some Russian right. Go and take a month vacation in Moscow and chat up the girls.
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Hi, My problem is that I dont have a lot of time s going over there would need to have a few plan a/b/c' setup. Yes I found my wife on a website in 2008 and that was an ordeal but i pulled it off. This time i want to look around more and try Ukraine. I have met Ukrainian women here (married) through associations with my wife.
Where is the updated list of dating sites?
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Where is the updated list of dating sites?
Do not believe there is one, but best guess would be one of 2TallBill "how do I start" type posts.
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Andrew I thought you were married to a Russian woman before. How'd you meet her? Try the same route if it wasn't too long ago.
But forget 3rd party matchmaker sites. You probably know some Russian right. Go and take a month vacation in Moscow and chat up the girls.
How did that work out for you and your 'wife'?
The OP should understand you are single, when taking your advice.
How one approaches this very much depends on your age.
Guys in their late thirties / 40's might go to clubs / bars but when over there but will likely be missing out on divorced Mum's of kids ...
IMHO the OP needs to have his Duck (s) lined up BEFORE going if time is a limiting factor, or he is wasting time.
Sting's approach MIGHT work if you were there a long time
Fdating/ dmnotify.were good sites for me ( info 4.5 years ol)
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I met my wife through a website no longer going. This was about 10 yrs ago.
Thats why i am gathering info on current websites.
Many people use elenas models and there is no reputable ukraine websites other than free ones?
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I met my wife through a website no longer going. This was about 10 yrs ago.
Thats why i am gathering info on current websites.
Many people use elenas models and there is no reputable ukraine websites other than free ones?
Follow the advice from msmob, and read my comments above about the 'new' Elena's Models website.
Just trying to help you!
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You could correspond with all women on the subscription model. This distinction disappeared when the site was bought by Great Media Ltd based in Hong Kong. Unsure if EM still hosts agency profiles.
Their site says they have 140,000 women's profiles and the girls are prescreen. Usually feeder agencies do the prescreening. Some men come to the forum saying Elena's Models shouldn't be on the recommended lists. Although the site isn't pay to play, feeder agencies may feel a need to perform or their contract money may get reduced or terminated.
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I don't think there's much of a need to have a specific dating website (a legit one) for Ukraine. Most dating websites you can narrow it down to Ukraine & city on the search engine. Most sites also allow you to keep your profile hidden so you can just apply for the women without them contacting you from all over Russia, etc.
Elena's Models put out a blog not long ago stating that the women all do their own profiles. Whether or not the situation has moved to this I think you'll still find the odd fair few dodgy ones since they will get in one way or another. Like said before often EM eventually delete them but I think it's a reoccurring problem. That said most of the other dating websites will have similar, it just a case of being alert for it.
Usually I find there are loads of girls in Ukraine that are looking for a foreign guy so you won't be short of women there.
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Hopefully, but you are obfuscating ... You keep suggesting folks need to read better - but there you are advising someone to 'date' like they are still in their teens ...
so divorced mums with kids is right up your alley.
As long as they look like this .....
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/880/40563144475_7a2a589078_n.jpg)
You didn't answer my question... how's YOUR FSU Wife / G/friend ?...
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Nice girl in the bikini. wonder if she knows you're posting her pics publicly on a forum. probably won't be too happy to find out.
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Nice girl in the bikini. wonder if she knows you're posting her pics publicly on a forum. probably won't be too happy to find out.
:ROFL:
The 'Girl' is but a coupe of months from starting her SIXTH decade and the photo was taken on Thursday - by me - from the UK
She is in Cyprus - you know the place you claimed isn't a place where FSU folk invest anymore ))
As she does modelling work - you'll excuse the guffaw at her 'not being happy' ....
Do you always divert and obfuscate, SO much ?
Now, 'Mr dating expert' tell us about your FSU g/f / fiancee / Wife
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guys give this Trenchcoat the flick otherwise he hijacks threads.
Has anyone used this? or is this no good?
http://www.ukrainedate.com
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guys give this Trenchcoat the flick otherwise he hijacks threads.
Has anyone used this? or is this no good?
http://www.ukrainedate.com
On TC -- I have stated repeatedly that ALL his posts should be moved and ONLY in his own thread. Your observation is correct.
On websites --the general comments you need are on the forum -- search for threads =Anastasia Date, Hot Russian Brides, Russian Love Match,Dream Marriage etc etc etc etc -- the comments on any of these sites mostly applies in principle to them all --and I am over repeating and repeating etc .
Also try searching my posts,Jumper,alex330 for the REAL information from people that get it all first hand ( & are not regurgitating something only 1/4 understood on forum !!).
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Has anyone used this? or is this no good?
http://www.ukrainedate.com
The only way is for you to join it and see what happens.
Google the site name and look for feedback.
UK Trustpilot is a reliable review site, where Ukrainedate scores 2/5 stars ... see http://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.ukrainedate.com
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Now there's a surprise ( not)
Haven't you learnt ANY THING about women - let alone FSU women. Many like a man who can father their kid(s) future or existing. Your criteria simply cuts down your ( remote - sorry - it's your attitude ) chances
'Problem' is not the adjective I associate with children
Trench, you talk utter hogwash... There are SO many FSU ladies in their late twenties / early thirties that are / were career girls and might appreciate a family orientated guy... You DO know that family can mean just you and her- as a unit in FSU speak ?
Women with children is fine if the guy has already had children it can add to the family unit (as we know it in the west). This can be especially true in terms of cobbling together broken families to make them more functional once again. Now some single guys without children have no hang ups over a woman with kids. I don't have a problem with the kids so much as I like children but I don't see why I should clean up after some other guys sex life. So I wouldn't rule then out completely though I would not apply for them on online dating sites as they would not be a situation I would feel would be the way I would intend to go.
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guys give this Trenchcoat the flick otherwise he hijacks threads.
Has anyone used this? or is this no good?
http://www.ukrainedate.com
That's it no more help from me on this forum for you! I think you will regret it, you are clearly without a clue as even this post demonstrates. What is it with Aussie guys, I find them all so obtuse. Well no more posts from me to you on any off your threads I will merely sit back and watch the fun unravel :D :popcorn:
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The only way is for you to join it and see what happens.
Google the site name and look for feedback.
UK Trustpilot is a reliable review site, where Ukrainedate scores 2/5 stars ... see http://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.ukrainedate.com
Hi blighty
Trustpilot 'reliable' ?????
Give a firm a bad review and they bury it
They pay Trustpilot...this is a huge scam
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Hi blighty
Trustpilot 'reliable' ?????
Give a firm a bad review and they bury it
They pay Trustpilot...this is a huge scam
It is all down to personal opinion! Obviously I have a less cynical view than you about Trustpilot. There is no smoke without fire! We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Let Andrew try the site and form his own conclusions,
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no problems guys I will go through what everyone has said instead of more questions
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It is all down to personal opinion! Obviously I have a less cynical view than you about Trustpilot. There is no smoke without fire! We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Let Andrew try the site and form his own conclusions,
Hardly, Direct experience ..two times.
Used a builder. .bad work, ignored by list of complaints and wrote and honest review. .buried.. Won in arbitration hearing ..mentioned this on Trustpilot. .buried..
Same with an aggregating courier firm.. Trustpilot buried my legit poor preview
There will be legislation concerning these reviews sites. .They are not honest...they are actually misleading
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Are you referring toy agencies or Ukrainian folk, in general ?
Ukrainians love getting something by either bribing or thinking they haggled a lower price in a street market to taking westerners for a ride. It’s a badge of honor. If a westerner ever bought a used car and you got the salesman to lower the price considerably..you’d also think you know how to work people. If we think we can get away with something we all do it. It’s human nature. When the fall of Soviet Union hit...sh*t got really pretty quick. When payday went from money to noodles and rice. Survival means doing everything and anything. People stole from work and went to the next city over to sell what they took. My wife’s mother used to take them to the market to sample food with no intentions on buying anything because they had no money. Look on dobovo versus OLX for prices to rent apartments or taxis at the airport looking to make some good coin. Even the teens are creative by purchasing a see through box and making a photocopy of the war and saying support Ukraine..foreigners are suckers putting money in those boxes because they think they are supporting Ukraine when it’s probably being spent at the mall or whatever. These peoples emotions are like zombies and it’s intriguing...one day I said to my wife..I want to see how many people actually move without us ramming into each other’s shoulders...I nailed 20 people in a few minutes before my wife asked me to be good. When you have two ways to say hello which is one for strangers and the other for friends and family...something is up. There’s a reason why Ukrainians don’t ask for directions is because they know each other’s ways. They think someone is trying to get something from them other then how to get to a location. There’s a reason why it’s not a pickup cuiture versus the western world. If you see someone you think is hot waiting in line in North America...if your charming you can start up a conversation and chances are you might pull something off...in Ukraine it’s very uncommon to do that because you could be crazy to them or just off in the head. As soon as you wrap their culture around your head...it’s very easy to exploit. You have the upper hand as they are very shy when a westerner walks through the door. They think we’re better then them. How easy is that after knowing that information. I was glad that my personality has pricky side effects as saying sorry is something I don’t do and I found in their culture it’s considered weak..growing up being in trouble all the time seems to have benefitted me in the long run as my wife thinks it’s funny. Why would she think it’s funny..it’s because i also do what I have to do to get what I want. Money issues seems to be everyone’s biggest worry on these forums when we have are own motives as well. Hmmm..it’s because everyone wants to end up with a hot chick. There’s plenty of average western girls that can be sweet and make great housewives as well.. I knew plenty of sweet girls with an awesome sense of humor except they all weighed about 150 pounds. At least I was upfront when I first met my wife and she asked me what do I prefer...personality or looks..I said looks..I said any man that tells you differently is full of sh*t. If I’m approaching you or talking to you...you’ve attracted me by your hotness...after we get talking then I see if you have any depth to you. I said if women didn’t have what’s between their legs then what would be the attraction. We’re technically no different in our pursuits. We want a hot chick that has the personality from the 1950s and they want a man that can financially take care of them but treat them good and start a family. We look for beauty..they seek money. But you find equal ground by your personality if it’s soemthing unique. So when I say it’s a badge of honor to rip people off over there..it’s true..but I’m no different and a lot of other people aren’t because we all do the same thing just in different ways...I always tease my wife by saying that I love the way she is because I don’t have to corrupt her because she’s already came that way. Actually I’m the bad one but that’s the best thing about Ukrainian women..they support you in everything.
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Ukrainians love getting something by either bribing or thinking they haggled a lower price in a street market to taking westerners for a ride. It’s a badge of honor. If a westerner ever bought a used car and you got the salesman to lower the price considerably..you’d also think you know how to work people. If we think we can get away with something we all do it. It’s human nature. When the fall of Soviet Union hit...sh*t got really pretty quick. When payday went from money to noodles and rice. Survival means doing everything and anything. People stole from work and went to the next city over to sell what they took. My wife’s mother used to take them to the market to sample food with no intentions on buying anything because they had no money. Look on dobovo versus OLX for prices to rent apartments or taxis at the airport looking to make some good coin. Even the teens are creative by purchasing a see through box and making a photocopy of the war and saying support Ukraine..foreigners are suckers putting money in those boxes because they think they are supporting Ukraine when it’s probably being spent at the mall or whatever. These peoples emotions are like zombies and it’s intriguing...one day I said to my wife..I want to see how many people actually move without us ramming into each other’s shoulders...I nailed 20 people in a few minutes before my wife asked me to be good. When you have two ways to say hello which is one for strangers and the other for friends and family...something is up. There’s a reason why Ukrainians don’t ask for directions is because they know each other’s ways. They think someone is trying to get something from them other then how to get to a location. There’s a reason why it’s not a pickup cuiture versus the western world. If you see someone you think is hot waiting in line in North America...if your charming you can start up a conversation and chances are you might pull something off...in Ukraine it’s very uncommon to do that because you could be crazy to them or just off in the head. As soon as you wrap their culture around your head...it’s very easy to exploit. You have the upper hand as they are very shy when a westerner walks through the door. They think we’re better then them. How easy is that after knowing that information. I was glad that my personality has pricky side effects as saying sorry is something I don’t do and I found in their culture it’s considered weak..growing up being in trouble all the time seems to have benefitted me in the long run as my wife thinks it’s funny. Why would she think it’s funny..it’s because i also do what I have to do to get what I want. Money issues seems to be everyone’s biggest worry on these forums when we have are own motives as well. Hmmm..it’s because everyone wants to end up with a hot chick. There’s plenty of average western girls that can be sweet and make great housewives as well.. I knew plenty of sweet girls with an awesome sense of humor except they all weighed about 150 pounds. At least I was upfront when I first met my wife and she asked me what do I prefer...personality or looks..I said looks..I said any man that tells you differently is full of sh*t. If I’m approaching you or talking to you...you’ve attracted me by your hotness...after we get talking then I see if you have any depth to you. I said if women didn’t have what’s between their legs then what would be the attraction. We’re technically no different in our pursuits. We want a hot chick that has the personality from the 1950s and they want a man that can financially take care of them but treat them good and start a family. We look for beauty..they seek money. But you find equal ground by your personality if it’s soemthing unique. So when I say it’s a badge of honor to rip people off over there..it’s true..but I’m no different and a lot of other people aren’t because we all do the same thing just in different ways...I always tease my wife by saying that I love the way she is because I don’t have to corrupt her because she’s already came that way. Actually I’m the bad one but that’s the best thing about Ukrainian women..they support you in everything.
Matey, ANY chance of you breaking your responses into readable paragraph chunks ?
You'll find this picky, but please hear me out ...
You have a viewpoint and I want it heard
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Matey, ANY chance of you breaking your responses into readable paragraph chunks ?
You'll find this picky, but please hear me out ...
You have a viewpoint and I want it heard
Ukrainians love getting something by either bribing or thinking they haggled a lower price in a street market to taking westerners for a ride. It’s a badge of honor. If a westerner ever bought a used car and you got the salesman to lower the price considerably..you’d also think you know how to work people. If we think we can get away with something we all do it. It’s human nature.
When the fall of Soviet Union hit...sh*t got really pretty quick. When payday went from money to noodles and rice. Survival means doing everything and anything. People stole from work and went to the next city over to sell what they took. My wife’s mother used to take them to the market to sample food with no intentions on buying anything because they had no money. Look on dobovo versus OLX for prices to rent apartments or taxis at the airport looking to make some good coin. Even the teens are creative by purchasing a see through box and making a photocopy of the war and saying support Ukraine..foreigners are suckers putting money in those boxes because they think they are supporting Ukraine when it’s probably being spent at the mall or whatever.
These peoples emotions are like zombies and it’s intriguing...one day I said to my wife..I want to see how many people actually move without us ramming into each other’s shoulders...I nailed 20 people in a few minutes before my wife asked me to be good. When you have two ways to say hello which is one for strangers and the other for friends and family...something is up.
There’s a reason why Ukrainians don’t ask for directions is because they know each other’s ways. They think someone is trying to get something from them other then how to get to a location. There’s a reason why it’s not a pickup cuiture versus the western world. If you see someone you think is hot waiting in line in North America...if your charming you can start up a conversation and chances are you might pull something off...in Ukraine it’s very uncommon to do that because you could be crazy to them or just off in the head. As soon as you wrap their culture around your head...it’s very easy to exploit. You have the upper hand as they are very shy when a westerner walks through the door. They think we’re better then them.
How easy is that after knowing that information. I was glad that my personality has pricky side effects as saying sorry is something I don’t do and I found in their culture it’s considered weak..growing up being in trouble all the time seems to have benefitted me in the long run as my wife thinks it’s funny. Why would she think it’s funny..it’s because i also do what I have to do to get what I want. Money issues seems to be everyone’s biggest worry on these forums when we have are own motives as well. Hmmm..it’s because everyone wants to end up with a hot chick.
There’s plenty of average western girls that can be sweet and make great housewives as well.. I knew plenty of sweet girls with an awesome sense of humor except they all weighed about 150 pounds. At least I was upfront when I first met my wife and she asked me what do I prefer...personality or looks..I said looks..I said any man that tells you differently is full of sh*t. If I’m approaching you or talking to you...you’ve attracted me by your hotness...after we get talking then I see if you have any depth to you. I said if women didn’t have what’s between their legs then what would be the attraction.
We’re technically no different in our pursuits. We want a hot chick that has the personality from the 1950s and they want a man that can financially take care of them but treat them good and start a family. We look for beauty..they seek money. But you find equal ground by your personality if it’s soemthing unique.
So when I say it’s a badge of honor to rip people off over there..it’s true..but I’m no different and a lot of other people aren’t because we all do the same thing just in different ways...I always tease my wife by saying that I love the way she is because I don’t have to corrupt her because she’s already came that way.
Actually I’m the bad one but that’s the best thing about Ukrainian women..they support you in everything.
How much time have you spent in Ukraine? At any one time? On how many occasions?When originally?
It is all to easy to write of only the negatives as you see them -- and in degrees I may not dispute a lot of what you have said -but --much of what you wrote is just people anywhere eg I got ripped off by a taxi at Heathrow ,haggling is de rigueur in parts of my business -it is called negotiating and to feel comfortable with any purchase is normal everyday fact of life .
It is a tougher world -no disputing that. A dog eat dog,survival of the fittest and strongest is real enough and with very little protection from laws it is no place for weaklings.
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Ukrainians love getting something by either bribing or thinking they haggled a lower price in a street market to taking westerners for a ride. . . . . Actually I’m the bad one but that’s the best thing about Ukrainian women..they support you in everything.
Lets start with the reality you are not a Gonzo journalist.
You most likely have never read any Russian/Ukraine literature and have never hear any Stravinsky or Rimsky-Kosakov.
Have you ever renovated a Stalinist period apartment in Ukraine?
As for knowing Ukraine women they will clearly say when you are wrong.
Perhaps you acquired a blow up doll marked made in 'The Ukraine', at the very least keep the PSI correctly inflated.
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Lets start with the reality you are not a Gonzo journalist.
You most likely have never read any Russian/Ukraine literature and have never hear any Stravinsky or Rimsky-Kosakov.
Have you ever renovated a Stalinist period apartment in Ukraine?
As for knowing Ukraine women they will clearly say when you are wrong.
Perhaps you acquired a blow up doll marked made in 'The Ukraine', at the very least keep the PSI correctly inflated.
:applause:
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So when I say it’s a badge of honor to rip people off over there..it’s true..
I had a Russian woman marriage agency owner tell me that for a male Russian or Ukrainian agency marriage owner to make their businesses respectable to other RM/UM is to turn them into scam operations.
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Dunno, a lot of what broomstick says I find is actually true. And I don't see it all as negative as others do, just a part of their current culture.
Ukrainians love getting something by either bribing or thinking they haggled a lower price in a street market to taking westerners for a ride. It’s a badge of honor
Yes, among the older population and in markets you are expected to haggle. Same as in the Middle East. Something is wrong with you otherwise. And many vendors try to cheat buyers in the markets by watering down milk, or shorting weight in veggies and so on. That is why there is an official scale at the front of each market. As Western style stores start coming in this is disappearing though.
When the fall of Soviet Union hit...sh*t got really pretty quick. When payday went from money to noodles and rice. Survival means doing everything and anything. People stole from work and went to the next city over to sell what they took. My wife’s mother used to take them to the market to sample food with no intentions on buying anything because they had no money.
It's still that way for many Ukrainians. There are many living off $70 per month and eating pasta and potatoes. You can find video's of babushkas digging through dumpsters for scraps because the pensions are so low.
I want to see how many people actually move without us ramming into each other’s shoulders...I nailed 20 people in a few minutes before my wife asked me to be good.
Yes, in lines they are pushy and bump you. Like you I just shove back or shoulder check and they get the hint very quickly.
There’s a reason why Ukrainians don’t ask for directions is because they know each other’s ways. They think someone is trying to get something from them other then how to get to a location. There’s a reason why it’s not a pickup cuiture versus the western world. If you see someone you think is hot waiting in line in North America...if your charming you can start up a conversation and chances are you might pull something off...in Ukraine it’s very uncommon to do that because you could be crazy to them or just off in the head
Never heard the directions one. I have always seen them ask each other for directions. And men do walk over to women and approach them quite often I find. But yes, you don't normally walk up or smile at someone. That means you are slow in the head, laughing at them, or mentally ill.
best thing about Ukrainian women..they support you in everything.
Agreed. They may give you grief or snap a bit here and there, but will stand by your side and support you as long as you are trying to do the right thing.
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I don't see why I should clean up after some other guys sex life. So I wouldn't rule then out completely though I would not apply for them on online dating sites as they would not be a situation I would feel would be the way I would intend to go.
..and as I said you are just being unrealistic and WILL fail in this endeavour while you continue to think as you do ..
Really, do you expect to find a virgin who has been waiting - just for you .... ?
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Really, do you expect to find a virgin who has been waiting - just for you .... ?
Violent jihadis know their reward will come in heaven, in the shape of 72 virgins - but not apparently if they are killed by women.
Koranic verses or poetry promising 72 virgins in paradise to jihadists who die in battle have been used frequently by radical imams and extremist groups as a recruitment tool.
However, it seems that male fighters are unclear about whether dying at the hand of a woman comes with the expected reward.
Women have long been a feature of Kurdish peshmerga forces. Now many from threatened towns and villages are signing up to join all-women units to fend off Isil forces who are threatening to overrun their homeland.
Tekoshin, a 27-year-old female Kurdish soldier, fighting in northern Iraq recently told AFP she had joined the struggle to protect women's rights. She said many women knew the power they held over their opposition.
"I think [they] were more afraid of us than of the men," she said.
"They believe they'll go to hell if they die at a woman's hands."
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Violent jihadis know their reward will come in heaven, in the shape of 72 virgins - but not apparently if they are killed by women.
Koranic verses or poetry promising 72 virgins in paradise to jihadists who die in battle have been used frequently by radical imams and extremist groups as a recruitment tool.
However, it seems that male fighters are unclear about whether dying at the hand of a woman comes with the expected reward.
Women have long been a feature of Kurdish peshmerga forces. Now many from threatened towns and villages are signing up to join all-women units to fend off Isil forces who are threatening to overrun their homeland.
Tekoshin, a 27-year-old female Kurdish soldier, fighting in northern Iraq recently told AFP she had joined the struggle to protect women's rights. She said many women knew the power they held over their opposition.
"I think [they] were more afraid of us than of the men," she said.
"They believe they'll go to hell if they die at a woman's hands."
The Jihadi's have plenty of silly superstitions.
Trump should instruct the US military to make 5 videos of
putting pig blood in military munitions and armaments and
then making a HUGE deal of denying that we actually do it
then releasing the second video, wait a week and then make
a even more huge deal of denying it and draw it out for a
month or two.
At the same time he should send a few pigs to where ever
they are fighting ISIS and giving a press conference that
the pigs are not part of a plan to either inject pig blood into
the munitions and the pigs are especially not part of any plan
to bury with Ali Jihadi's.
He shouldn't forget to show videos of the pigs getting loaded
and unloaded from the aircraft while repeating the disclaimer
that the pigs aren't part of some nefarious plan.
The jihadi's have simple minds there isn't any good reason
not to screw with them.
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Yes, among the older population and in markets you are expected to haggle. Same as in the Middle East. Something is wrong with you otherwise.
That is untrue. Although haggling is expected, there are people there that just can't do it, or don't do it well.
And many vendors try to cheat buyers in the markets by watering down milk, or shorting weight in veggies and so on. That is why there is an official scale at the front of each market. As Western style stores start coming in this is disappearing though.
There have always been (since the end of NEP) Western style stores, called "gastronoms". They were state run, with state prices. One could not haggle in those stores. In most gastronoms, you would have to line up and ask for your produce, which would then be weighed. There were stores where you could take goods yourself, but only bread or canned goods. The Soviets tried self service, with candy, but people were eating it in the store, rather than paying for it, so that stopped. There was one gastronom in Kyiv that was Western style (self service), in Pechersk.
Never heard the directions one. I have always seen them ask each other for directions.
I have as well. Also which buses to take to get to a particular place. I suppose it depends on which city one is in.
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Bo'
what was the big GUM store on Kryshattick like back in the CCCP period? what was some of the strangest stuff you could buy in there back then?
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That is untrue. Although haggling is expected, there are people there that just can't do it, or don't do it well.
There have always been (since the end of NEP) Western style stores, called "gastronoms". They were state run, with state prices. One could not haggle in those stores. In most gastronoms, you would have to line up and ask for your produce, which would then be weighed. There were stores where you could take goods yourself, but only bread or canned goods. The Soviets tried self service, with candy, but people were eating it in the store, rather than paying for it, so that stopped.
I am sure some people are horrible at haggling. And my experience is only with one city - Odesa, so like you mention it may vary depending on region or city. But haggling is expected in the outdoor markets like 7km. And maybe moreso in Odesa since it is a port city? Odesa has self service for the produce dept in many of the Western style supermarkets right now.
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Bo'
what was the big GUM store on Kryshattick like back in the CCCP period? what was some of the strangest stuff you could buy in there back then?
TSUM (цум)
It was five floors, and had clothing, shoes, jewelry, a small sporting goods section in the corner on the main floor, and records. The fifth floor was storage. I did not buy clothing or shoes, but I did buy records there.
ETA - I don't recall anything strange sold there.
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I am sure some people are horrible at haggling. And my experience is only with one city - Odesa, so like you mention it may vary depending on region or city. But haggling is expected in the outdoor markets like 7km. And maybe moreso in Odesa since it is a port city? Odesa has self service for the produce dept in many of the Western style supermarkets right now.
I'm not saying it isn't expected, just that some people can't do so, and will pay full price, if they can afford it.
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too many scammers in Ukraine from waht I hear..best to avoid that place
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Odessa has all levels of shopping, from western malls and super markets down to starrushkas sitting on stoolchicks selling $1 worth of kartoshkie
if you want western style shopping with stated prices (a practice developed by Quaker merchants in the 19th century USA) you can have that 100%
OTOH, there are also several different kinds of food markets in Odessa, they're organized as a collection of independent kiosks under a "krisha" that kind of resembles a supermarket, in terms of segmenting the food, but with distinct vendors instead of just one central owner, more like a swap meet for food!
here you can find all kinds of interesting local produce! you can find tender, former Ukrainian collective grown "heirloom" tomatoes that sell for about $1/pound, complete with dung still attached to the vines! 1 liter basket of raspberries when in season for about $4 plus a liter of locally grown honey for $2
over in the dairy section, you can carve off some butter from this huge block of butter, it costs about 50 cents/pound, unbelievable taste compared to USA supermarket butter
when I lived in Crimea, you could buy locally grown Crimean champagne for $3 a bottle
shopping tip, in the summer, the kiosk style markets that are on the inside will have have fewer flies on the meat than the kiosk style markets that are on the outside (and less mangy dogs as well!)
where ever you have a lot of traffic there's usually a starrushka or two selling samachkie or something similar
I recommend buying from them, because all good deeds help make the world a better place, no matter how small...
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I'm not saying it isn't expected, just that some people can't do so, and will pay full price, if they can afford it.
A little off topic, but . . . I once heard from a secretary, at a company that I did frequent consulting for, that she had paid full window sticker price for a new Honda Civic. I really felt terrible that she had not spoken to me (or one of several other persons) before that transaction.
She had absolutely no knowledge that no one paid full window sticker. I'll bet the salesman could hardly believe his luck.
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"too many scammers in Ukraine from waht I hear..best to avoid that place"
1. scammers are everywhere...
2. you can't cheat an honest man...
3. NOT going to Ukraine, for any reason, would be silly...
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too many scammers in Ukraine from waht I hear..best to avoid that place
So now our serial single (he prefers not to confirm his creds to offer advice..no FSU g/f) is now suggesting where not to seek a bride...based on hearsay?
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So now our serial single (he prefers not to confirm his creds to offer advice..no FSU g/f) is now suggesting where not to seek a bride...based on hearsay?
whatcha talkin' bout Willis?
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"too many scammers in Ukraine from waht I hear..best to avoid that place"
1. scammers are everywhere...
2. you can't cheat an honest man...
3. NOT going to Ukraine, for any reason, would be silly...
By far the majority of scams emanate from Ukraine. however the Ukrainians I met in Moscow were cool people. It was the Armenians you had to watch out for. They did me wrong in a few business deals.
Don't know why OP is fixated on Ukraine. I still say Russia is a better option.
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A little off topic, but . . . I once heard from a secretary, at a company that I did frequent consulting for, that she had paid full window sticker price for a new Honda Civic. I really felt terrible that she had not spoken to me (or one of several other persons) before that transaction.
She had absolutely no knowledge that no one paid full window sticker. I'll bet the salesman could hardly believe his luck.
OUCH...dealer invoice price, look it up.
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wait a minute Sting23...
you're warning people not to go to Ukraine...
but you've never been there yourself?
well, in that case...
don't go to Jupiter!
it's all a bit "ambiance du passé" if you know what I mean...
OTOH,
I have seen in Ukrainian villages, nubile, extremely fit, buxom green eyed blondes(is there any other kind?) who would do literally anything to escape the muddy winter streets and go spend a weekend in Istanbul with...
but hey, that's just me!
I'm married now, and all I have are my memories of this period of my life
I made love to a lot of beautiful women there, but it was never enough...
I never found the "perfect woman"
instead, I found the woman who was perfect for me...
that is what, I think...
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wait a minute Sting23...
you're warning people not to go to Ukraine...
but you've never been there yourself?
well, in that case...
don't go to Jupiter!
it's all a bit "ambiance du passé" if you know what I mean...
OTOH,
I have seen in Ukrainian villages, nubile, extremely fit, buxom green eyed blondes(is there any other kind?) who would do literally anything to escape the muddy winter streets and go spend a weekend in Istanbul with...
but hey, that's just me!
I'm married now, and all I have are my memories of this period of my life
I made love to a lot of beautiful women there, but it was never enough...
I never found the "perfect woman"
instead, I found the woman who was perfect for me...
that is what, I think...
hey krimster, I've never been to North Korea either but from what I hear it's a fun place! Actually I'm sure Ukraine is not that bad. Just seems to be a lot of scammers from what I hear. Maybe their mentality is different from Russians. Cool story. your wife is from Ukraine then I take it.
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the map is not the territory..
always value first hand information over hearsay...
Ukraine and Russia both have lots of scammers
if you get away from the big cities, Ukraine and Russia are quite similar
if you're hunting Russian Fox
Ukraine, is a far, far easier location to hunt in than Russia
no visa, a few hours less travel, and less paranoia...
and the conditions that produce abundant prey are more prevalent in Ukraine...
go to fields less hunted, where the prey has no experience being hunted, and where there are no other hunters...
and the prey won't even realize they're being hunted... ahhhh bliss...
stay thirsty, my friend...
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I’m not claiming to be a history buff. I was talking about how these people forged their personalities from their environment when things went sideways which seems like a common event and how knowing that was an advantage.. I could care less about Stalin, I thought cyka blyat was a super model or some overpowered gopnik in a video game. I’ve been to Ukraine 40 to 50 straight days every two months and the only time I’ve had down time is my visa free days took a bit to recharge. So I’ve been to Ukraine almost a total of 500 times. My last visit was the 10th time. So I’ve spent a year and a half of my life in Ukraine partying and just enjoying it. My wife is from the ghetto of Dnipropetrovsk. It’s the district of Amir. If the gopniks don’t get you then the wild dogs will.
Even my wife got scammed by her own kind which I had a good laugh at. She went to a gypsie psychic to seek her future a while back and she seen my wife’s grandmothers ring on her finger. She asked to see it and put in a blanket and said some magic spells and got concerned. My wife thought oh no. What do you see. She said your going to have to leave the ring with me and bring tomorrow some coffee and tea so I can banish this evil. So she gave her some stupid stuffed teddy bear that said this will keep you safe for the time being and I will help you. Now go. My wife should have caught on to the scam when the gypsie had a preference of what kind of coffee it had to be because she said bring Nescafé gold and none of that cheap stuff. So the next day my wife returned and gave her the coffee and tea and said it will take a week for the spell to work so come back then. So a week passed and she went back to the apartment but the gypsie wasn’t there. The gypsie moved and stole her grandmothers ring, got free coffee and tea and 1500 hyrvnias.
Don’t get me wrong. Ukrainians are cool and I love that they are straight to the point and say what’s on their mind. But you have to adapt incredibly fast to their environment. We stand out like a sore thumb. Ukrainians have small jaws and cheap knockoff clothes. I wouldn’t say avoid Ukraine but if you are one of those middle class people who never tasted what real life is all about then maybe it isn’t a great idea. Yes I agree there’s scammers and hustlers everywhere but in Ukraine it’s an art. Most men that fall for the Ukrainian lure read that Ukrainian women are sweet and innocent and perfect wives compared to the west. I would agree but unless you know the score then they’ll take you for a ride without any care. They just would think stupid westerner. It’s their fault.
The worst part is...it seems like the good girls end up with sex tourists and the nice guys end up with scammers. That should tell you something. No matter what side of the world your from. All women seek one type of man that rules their heart. Western women call us jerks and FSU women call it strong men. The only difference is that Ukrainian women come with all the features that make women so cool that is an ancient relic over here. When your in a country where the saying if he hits me he loves me still prevails to this day. I’d never hit a woman ever. But being the lead and making stuff happens is an incredible turn on for these women and not taking their crap that one time of the month.
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Boomstick77 WORD!
Ukraine is like “Survivor Island” only the ones willing to steal their neighbor’s food can survive there. There’s an old Russian saying that translated into English means, “everyone survives by sucking the blood from someone else” this is a succinct description of how hard life is in Ukraine for “average” people.
There’s also a big gap in living standards between merely being impoverished in Kyiv or Odessa, vrs being miserably poor in a small village where generation after generation suffered the same lack of education and job prospects that only city dwellers had, here poverty is hard and deep
This is primo hunting territory!!!!!
There are always nubile young girls here whose main dream is to escape their dreary existence.
average 20-something here has never been taken to a restaurant, never had jewelry bought for them, never been out of the country...
you can provide these things, the things she dreams about
you will not have to worry about “quid-pro-quo”
literally, it’s you living your fantasy
with her living hers
and I freakin gave that up to get married,
so please ignore whatever I say, obviously I’m a pridorik...
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whatcha talkin' bout Willis?
You understand very well.... You just aren't going to fess up to being in no position to advise on Ukraine or FSU partners... you being in a long term relationship. ....not...
Warning: Next time you mock Trench, check how black your own Kettle is..
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the map is not the territory..
always value first hand information over hearsay...
Ukraine and Russia both have lots of scammers
if you get away from the big cities, Ukraine and Russia are quite similar
if you're hunting Russian Fox
Ukraine, is a far, far easier location to hunt in than Russia
no visa, a few hours less travel, and less paranoia...
and the conditions that produce abundant prey are more prevalent in Ukraine...
go to fields less hunted, where the prey has no experience being hunted, and where there are no other hunters...
and the prey won't even realize they're being hunted... ahhhh bliss...
stay thirsty, my friend...
I don't always go to Russia, but when I do, I go to Moscow. Having worked and lived there already I've got a good network of friends. Anywhere in the FSU is gonna cause trouble, if you don't know what you're doing.
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Boomstick77 WORD!
There’s also a big gap in living standards between merely being impoverished in Kyiv or Odessa, vrs being miserably poor in a small village where generation after generation suffered the same lack of education and job prospects that only city dwellers had, here poverty is hard and deep
This is primo hunting territory!!!!!
There are always nubile young girls here whose main dream is to escape their dreary existence.
average 20-something here has never been taken to a restaurant, never had jewelry bought for them, never been out of the country...
That ghetto huh? guess Ukrainians got it hard. Everyone in Moscow I met had jobs or worked. I've passed through a few smaller towns and they ain't much to look at.
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hey, a better idea is if you set up your own agency and make a killing off all the dudes going to Ukraine trying to find a wife!!
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knock...knock....
it's me, I took your advice....
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knock...knock....
it's me, I took your advice....
sweet dude, now start peddling dem wares on here! i know a member or 2 who needs help lol
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Indeed we do))
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oh, my bad...
when you said "killing", I thought you meant ...
oh no, I don't want to make $$$
I’m hoping to re-experience past memories vicariously through the actions of another...
but most of you guys are just not very adventurous...
maybe one day I will find a NOOB on this board who has potential, but just lacks knowledge, who in return for my help as a guide would let me be their co-pilot...
I think a list of stories should be told and shared!
let us men sit around the campfire
We should each tell the story of a romantic conquest we made in the FSU
the life of a Western libertine in the post-Soviet Union
Don Juan on the Don!
who shall begin?
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People can write all sorts of stuff online to boast and what not. Sure got alot of cowboys here. Those who lived it knows what's up.
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Moby, take the picture of your Wife down. It is in very poor taste. Just trust me on this, it is in very poor taste.
You are not competing against anyone on RWD. Noone cares who has the hottest Wife. It doesn’t matter. I know you and Sting sometimes disagree and butt heads. That is fine, nothing wrong with arguing a little bit. But leave SC out of yall’s disagreements. Man come on, she is innocent. SC is just an innocent bystander. SC doesn’t know who Sting is, doesn’t care who Sting is. She is innocent so leave her alone and remove her bikini pic.
You talk about a certain member who exhibits a pathological degree of misogyny. You are no better than Trenchcoat when you put this picture of SC up, scantily clad, for a bunch of anonymous, horny men on this website to ogle over. Sexual objectification in its worst form.
SC is your Princess. Treat her as your Princess. Love her. Respect her. Protect her. Cherish Her. She should be your everything. Take her picture down Moby.
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That ghetto huh? guess Ukrainians got it hard. Everyone in Moscow I met had jobs or worked. I've passed through a few smaller towns and they ain't much to look at.
Would this 'expert opinion' be as accurate as yours of the UK?
Could I suggest you haven't scratched the surface and have you been to Ukraine to comment on the women or 'ghettos?
You will note you thought it was OK to ask Trench his creds to comment on Moscow...So do try not to obuscate
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Would this 'expert opinion' be as accurate as yours of the UK?
Could I suggest you haven't scratched the surface and have you been to Ukraine to comment on the women or 'ghettos?
You will note you thought it was OK to ask Trench his creds to comment on Moscow...So do try not to obuscate
hey whatcha talkin'g about Willis
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Would this 'expert opinion' be as accurate as yours of the UK?
Could I suggest you haven't scratched the surface and have you been to Ukraine to comment on the women or 'ghettos?
You will note you thought it was OK to ask Trench his creds to comment on Moscow...So do try not to obuscate
We be up in da hood breakin' in da sweats my beat. flashin' da crips and da bloods. don't blink or ya aight. da ghettos in da hood. got a .45 Coke rimming.
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:ROFL:
The 'Girl' is but a coupe of months from starting her SIXTH decade and the photo was taken on Thursday - by me - from the UK
She is in Cyprus - you know the place you claimed isn't a place where FSU folk invest anymore ))
As she does modelling work - you'll excuse the guffaw at her 'not being happy' ....
Do you always divert and obfuscate, SO much ?
Now, 'Mr dating expert' tell us about your FSU g/f / fiancee / Wife
whatcha talkin'a bout Willis?
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People can write all sorts of stuff online to boast and what not. Sure got alot of cowboys here. Those who lived it knows what's up.
Hi there, Cowboy!
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I don’t think I’ve seen any of the guys on this board engage in any “summer-hookups”
I’ll explain what I mean.
Back in the CCCP days robotniki at the zhvod would get an all-expense-paid trip to some Black-Sea resort owned by the “party”
It would be an opportunity for the young factory workers in state factory #34 to check out other factory workers who were also there from state factories 3-17
it led to a lot of “hook-ups"
these kinds of hookups eventually just became “part of the culture”
it STILL is embedded in Russian culture.
as any wood worker will tell you
it’s easier to cut WITH the grain than against it!
you get a LOT of 20ish/30ish professional single women who after a freezing winter in either Moscow or St Petersburg, yearn to swim in the Black Sea, without husband or boyfriend, they’re flying there solo...
I noticed her standing by herself next to the beach
in cut-offs and an ironed officers shirt
graceful, shapely legs, smooth and pale
short blond hair, glasses, a student maybe...
her eyes caught mine, but neither of us could turn away...
I reached into my pocket, clutching an old worn coin I found
I walked slowly towards her...
“Izenitya” (excuse me)
sorry to bother you, but do you know what this coin is?”
I hold it out in front of her, she puts her fingers around mine and examines the coin.
“da, eta 3 kopece”
I gave her the coin to keep as a souvenir, and because it was hot, I suggested that we go to the nearby “piva tent” and we took seats and I told her American jokes that she never heard before and they made her laugh while we drank more and more of the cool lager ...
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whatcha talkin'a bout Willis?
More obfuscation from our our 'expert' on geography and places he's never been to - let alone his relationship status - while mocking others
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I don’t think I’ve seen any of the guys on this board engage in any “summer-hookups”
I’ll explain what I mean.
Back in the CCCP days robotniki at the zhvod would get an all-expense-paid trip to some Black-Sea resort owned by the “party”
It would be an opportunity for the young factory workers in state factory #34 to check out other factory workers who were also there from state factories 3-17
it led to a lot of “hook-ups"
these kinds of hookups eventually just became “part of the culture”
it STILL is embedded in Russian culture.
Pretty sure this is a thing of the past. As a child my wife recalls her mother taking these vacations to the factory resorts on the Sea. Nowadays the better looking young women are either leery of foreigners or take trips to the Maldives and Thailand with them I think. Most of the State run resorts are now privatized; in Ukraine at least. Of course if you have game you can do this anywhere on the planet.
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My wife's parents were offered these trips every year . . . and never once went.
In fact the Mother never took a day of vacation in 35 years or so.
She was supervisor of butter production (and later butter, cheese and ice cream) at large plant and worried that something may go wrong if she weren't there to solve the problem. They often sent a car to get her on Saturdays and Sundays. Very tricky to insure the sterilization, etc., and if something went wrong could lose the entire day's worth of milk.
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My wife's parents were offered these trips every year . . . and never once went.
MIL went a number of times. But the factory she worked at did not give the best accommodations outside Odesa. Wife describes them as pretty basic bunkhouses. Kind of silly when she already lived a short tram ride to the beach in Odesa....
So as a foreigner in Odesa you can go to one of the locals beaches. Mostly families, couples, and older babushkas from villages outside the city. Or you can go to the trendy nightclub beaches. You will need to be pretty fit and pop bottles of champagne or have your game dialed in for that.
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For sure Pensioners get a an annual all expenses trip to a 'Sanitoria' in Sochi. I shared a train with 3 of them. They love this gesture from their President
Civil servants - who aren't ALLOWED to leave mother Russia get heavily discounted holidays in Crimea ))
Thailand ... Crimea ... hmm 'GREAT'