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RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: 2tallbill on November 16, 2019, 11:21:34 AM

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on November 16, 2019, 11:21:34 AM
You even cant imaging how man can be parasite and
waste time on barren messaging asking attention and
so on and nothing more.

Aha!

You've crossed paths with a few Keyboard Romeos.
You should come up with a few questions asked early on
when exchanging messages to determine who is sincere
and who is playing on the computer in their mothers
basement.

Such as
Do you have a passport? When does it expire?
What foreign countries have you visited?
When can you leave?
How much vacation per year do you get at your job?
What is your favorite video game?

I'm sure that others here can suggest questions as well.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2019, 10:41:28 AM
I expected others to join in but I was obviously wrong.

There are all sorts of men who like the idea of an FSUW
wife/girlfriend but will never actually get on a plane.
How do you figure out who is serious and who is only
interested in a fantasy?

I've never had a problem convincing a woman that I would
get on a plane to visit her.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
I expected others to join in but I was obviously wrong.

There are all sorts of men who like the idea of an FSUW
wife/girlfriend but will never actually get on a plane.
How do you figure out who is serious and who is only
interested in a fantasy?

I've never had a problem convincing a woman that I would
get on a plane to visit her.

I recall with the first girl I met in Kiev I decided after about two Skype's and a month's worth of messaging to go. I think she was kind of moving the discussion in the direction of that, not directly asking but I knew at the time it was time to make my move or risk losing her interest and her moving on. It had just got to that point in our discussions that to go on discussing stuff would just be filling time aimlessly.

Other girls I have decided after one Skype session, if I had a good feeling that there might be chemistry and the Skype went well, i.e she did not look disinterested, no awkward conversation, etc.

One girl I went to see just through messaging though that was not the best move I ever made as I'm sure you recall 2tallbill, lol.

Anyway, I guess I would say to Nano is that after a few messages get them to Skype if you seem to like them. Give it 2-3 Skype's then start motioning in conversation about visiting. If they won't jump at this hurdle then they probably won't and you're probably better trying another guy.

I would say that by the same token don't expect guys to travel thousands of miles on the back of little messaging, etc. I've had it where girls who are anxious to get to the point with guys take it too far the other way and expect him to travel at the drop of a hat. For most guys it would be silly just for him travel as ever girl says so. A guy must also feel motivated enough that he wants to get up our of his chair and meet the girl, so looking decent and well toned can help here.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on November 25, 2019, 08:55:10 AM
That is the problem at first step of communication they all ready to go, but after visiting whatsapp they starting describe a lot of problems father/mather dying, severy ill, they just change a job and so on so on, so communication delaying and delaying and they just use my kindness and tolerance and spend my time and attention at unusefull communication :cluebat:
this is period where you cant directly ask him would he come and when so such men use it to make such useless communication.
On direct question of course he would reply positive... he have, he ready, we need to know each other a bit more and then mather/father and so on :-\
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on November 25, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
That is the problem at first step of communication they all ready to go, but after visiting whatsapp they starting describe a lot of problems father/mather dying, severy ill, they just change a job and so on so on, so communication delaying and delaying and they just use my kindness and tolerance and spend my time and attention at unusefull communication :cluebat:
this is period where you cant directly ask him would he come and when so such men use it to make such useless communication.
On direct question of course he would reply positive... he have, he ready, we need to know each other a bit more and then mather/father and so on :-\
lol.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on November 25, 2019, 09:32:23 AM
Its not a lol, its awful :-\
:)
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on November 25, 2019, 10:11:17 AM
Yes when all the family die, that's look like an extermination.
 :ROFL:
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on November 25, 2019, 10:30:14 AM
Yes, they are not a one man, there are a lot of such men with the same mother/father's-job/business problems. Seems I have too much mild character and let them communicate and lost some red flags at beginning stage of communication. Better delete all that men and stay without communication or starting out again...  and search easily another such "friends" - "keyboard romeos" ::)
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on November 25, 2019, 10:42:20 AM
Yes, they are not a one man, there are a lot of such men with the same mother/father's-job/business problems. Seems I have too much mild character and let them communicate and lost some red flags at beginning stage of communication. Better delete all that men and stay without communication or starting out again...  and search easily another such "friends" - "keyboard romeos" ::)
We/I believe that there are 90% of keyboard romeos.
But due to the massive globalization of internet you have a lot of guys in poor and remote countries who also contact girls like you i think. 
Sozt the end i think they are more numerous than 99%
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Grumpy on November 25, 2019, 11:33:33 AM
There are more than a few "keyboard Juliets". They disappear when you ask them if you could visit them on (date).
I guess it never occurred to them that I would get on a plane and go visit them in person. :(   
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2019, 11:45:24 AM
"friends" - "keyboard romeos" ::)

I understand.

You have men who say they are ready to travel to meet the
right girl, then later they have too many problems either real,
made up or imagined. These men waste your time and energy
and emotions.

but after visiting whatsapp they starting describe a lot of problems

I always pushed a girl to meet on a messenger app as soon as
possible (I wanted to see what she looked like)

I would always say, I want you to see what I look like. I don't want
you to meet me in the airport and run away screaming.

Occasionally the girl I was communicating with looked nothing like
her glamor photos and at other times she used photos that were a
decade old or photos from before she gained 20 kilos. So that's why
I always insisted that we met on skype/messenger as soon as possible. 

If she refused then I would dump her and wish her good luck. I didn't
want to waste time exchanging letters.

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
There are more than a few "keyboard Juliets". They disappear when you ask them if you could visit them on (date).
I guess it never occurred to them that I would get on a plane and go visit them in person. :(

I wasted time/money on pay per view video chat in the
beginning and many of those girls were keyboard Juliets, but
the best way to avoid them is by saying that you are traveling
soon.

I got off of paid video chat and then I never ran into a video
Juliet again.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: BillyB on November 25, 2019, 11:58:42 AM

Nano, you seem like a very nice and intelligent woman! I'm sure you  have a kind heart too! You are beautiful inside and out! YOU ARE MY DREAM GIRL! My parents are ill and my business is struggling. Can I borrow $5000?
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on November 25, 2019, 12:03:55 PM
Nano, you seem like a very nice and intelligent woman! I'm sure you  have a kind heart too! You are beautiful inside and out! YOU ARE MY DREAM GIRL! My parents are ill and my business is struggling. Can I borrow $5000?
Yes Billy i would like to help you very much but to send the money i first need to open an account at bank, with the western union fee it will cost you only 36$ and 25 cents.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2019, 05:07:27 PM
Nano, you seem like a very nice and intelligent woman! I'm sure you  have a kind heart too! You are beautiful inside and out! YOU ARE MY DREAM GIRL! My parents are ill and my business is struggling. Can I borrow $5000?

LOL, yes at least Nano didn't get the demand for money at the end of the hard luck story like us western men get from Russian & Ukrainian ladies :ROFL:
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2019, 05:23:24 PM
Yes, they are not a one man, there are a lot of such men with the same mother/father's-job/business problems. Seems I have too much mild character and let them communicate and lost some red flags at beginning stage of communication. Better delete all that men and stay without communication or starting out again...  and search easily another such "friends" - "keyboard romeos" ::)

Well apart from the stuff we have already discussed I have one idea. You could try and just use the 'Pay Monthly' International Dating Sites - such as Elena's Models and dmNotify. That is as opposed to the 'Free Dating Sites' -such as Fdating. So don't use Fdating use instead Elena's Models and dmNotify.

Now when I say Pay Monthly I mean us western men have to pay monthly. Possibly Elena's Models and dmNotify are free for Russian ladies to use but for us men they cost and are a reasonably high fee. The fee they charge western men should put off a lot of the time wasters. The time wasting men will likely use the sites that are free for them to use like Fdating. Odds are the time wasting men won't or are unable to spend money on the Pay Monthly sites and if they can't afford to pay then they are never going to be able to afford to visit you.

That said I think you still need to be able to be interest the men or you won't get a lot of messages from the men you would like. You might get messages from older men possibly significantly older etc. If you are in Moscow or St. Petersburg that will help as those cities are easier for western men to fly into. If you need the link to Elena's Models or dmNotify just let us know and we can post it up here for you.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
Nano..

It is estimated that 5% of guys ever get on a plane to come to Russia, Ukraine, etc.,

Of THAT 5% many guys reckon they can come to visit many ladies and do 'speed dating' ...

It would be interesting to hear what you think of such plans
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 05, 2019, 02:58:39 PM
One of Nano's issues is that she lives in Yekaterinburg, that means at least one plane transfer adding to time, bother and inconvenience. Being in central Russia it's going to take most western men more time and cost to get there plus getting a visa. A lot of western men that do visit tend to go for the big cities like Moscow, St.Petersburg, Kiev, Odessa, etc. A guy that is will to travel further out would of course be definitely serious. I'm guessing the flight for US guys could be a particularly long uncomfortable affair.

Now I'm not sure whether I got all of Nano's original post in the other thread on this as just got to it, but to me it looks like Nano might have an attitude of asking guys for stuff both money and gifts particularly if she is not serious on them or she believes the guy is not serious on her?

"Quote from: nano on November 16, 2019, 09:14:35 AM
. . . asking money and gifts time to time of course for essential things

So being a parasite doesn't bother you at all ??
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Quote from: ML on November 16, 2019, 10:03:27 AM
So being a parasite doesn't bother you at all ??
but only for essential things :D

But if serious not bother at all... Better I would parasite then would involve in man-parasite on my neck who would disrespect me, greedy and behave as a spread.
You even cant imaging how man can be parasite and waste time on barren messaging asking attention and so on and nothing more. They havent care about women and care about himself only, asking the hottiest on and do not care on what base she live. She should care about herself her own and make only hottiest entertainment for him, make her as source of his choosing. Is it not a parasitic? If you trying any care called parasitic so women shut up in her withes starting involving into man's searching bandarelia for hottiest women for him, testing sex on second date or so on not normal things."

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
One of Nano's issues is that she lives in Yekaterinburg

She lives in Yekaterinburg not Oymyakon.
It's an issue for you but most guys aren't you.

When I was single I would fly anywhere to meet the right girl,
anyone with a brain would. You live in Blighty, I travel 12 hours
before I even get to Blighty. The guys from Australia travel 23+
hours before they get to London. Those transfers aren't even
worth mentioning by then.

Suck it up buttercup
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 05, 2019, 03:35:56 PM
She lives in Yekaterinburg not Oymyakon.
It's an issue for you but most guys aren't you.

When I was single I would fly anywhere to meet the right girl,
anyone with a brain would. You live in Blighty, I travel 12 hours
before I even get to Blighty. The guys from Australia travel 23+
hours before they get to London. Those transfers aren't even
worth mentioning by then.

Suck it up buttercup

I would go further afield now, in the first year of searching like most guys I tended to look more at those big cities I mentioned. That's not to say I would travel further afield but if convenience can be had too ;)

The girl I doubt I would know if she was right until I landed and saw there was chemistry there so perhaps I would travel to someone nearer as the score is the same.

I'm not saying there aren't advantages of looking further afield, the competition is no doubt a hell of a lot less outside of Ukraine and in the middle of Russia, apart from keyboard Romeo's of course.

I'm still curious as to whether Nano has been treating these guys right in asking for stuff? Maybe if she is doing so she is at least partly laying the path to her problem of guys not visiting?
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2019, 03:55:33 PM
I'm still curious as to whether Nano has been treating these guys right in asking for stuff? Maybe if she is doing so she is at least partly laying the path to her problem of guys not visiting?

She's not asking for stuff any more than Billy is really asking for $5K

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 09, 2019, 03:45:17 PM
Nobody restrict poor guys to come or just show his real attitude instead of endless communication... but I do not want lead endless communications without any understanding he really interesting in me... Why I should spend my time, attention and emotions fearing to ask nice gift (that I love (gifts):D) or asking when he real planning to come... the second question asked he delaying and delaying, and just communicating, but asking the gift show really who they are (even if its just scared by scammers man, why I should lead so much scared men, cured them and spoiled trough mail? All my life I should calm him from different life dangerous? Is there not so much dangerous for me in my position and wishes?) No problem to show myself at video but really I am not so much good looking woman as at my glamorous foto. :) And I cant make glamour foto and video every month for them.
Really I am average looking woman. Hm, I hearing about western men that they have good attitude to average looking women, but then it starting to change, change and change... Now they appearing the same capricious, demanded as Russian men and nothing wishing to invest (or even nothing have), but wanting to get a lot and plentiful beauty and attention and delicious soups at the same time  :-\ And, of course, they are gathering scammers with such wishes, because mostly scammers can meet all this requirements. And also huge number of available women on dating sites is not well to finding something serious.

Of THAT 5% many guys reckon they can come to visit many ladies and do 'speed dating' ...
It would be interesting to hear what you think of such plans
I am not interested in such meeting. I think its useless. Usually man come and see a lot of women who can be accessible for him and sex available. A lot of women have different ideas how to make relationships and some of them be in wrong way then such men come again and again only for sex and nothing more, choosing and choosing from different women. This is nothing about relationships.

Trenchcoat social parasitic is not who ask the money because relationships build on a balance basics, joy and convenience for both. Social parasitic also a man (or woman) who waste you resources at his own purposes without interesting you interests and not seeking to satisfy them. :deadhorse: And also I dislike older men, moreover significant older. A bit older is well but significant is awful, I am not a gerontoadmirer. So would stay along till die :-\
Delete all my keyboard romeos at all 8)
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 09, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
I am not interested in such meeting. I think its useless.

Moby mischaracterized the situation as he does with most things.

Let me give you an example that actually happened with me.

I went to Voronezh to meet a pretty girl who was very tall.
It didn't work out so I went to a computer and asked out
other girls to meet me for coffee or tea.

One after another, I wasn't interested in them OR they weren't
interested in me or both. No second dates, no sex, just tea and
sometimes cake for a meeting to see if we liked each other. 

I saw a very pretty girl on VK.com and asked her to meet me,
she said yes. I really, really liked this girl and she liked me so
I never dated another girl and ONLY pursued her. I visited her
4 times, she visited me twice, we got married, have a 4 year
old boy and live together in Texas USA.

If I didn't decide to meet other women then I would have never
met my Amazing wife.

Meeting many if you do it right is totally acceptable as long as
the guy follows the rules.
1. Never date a girl twice unless you think she is the one.
2. If you find the one then you don't keep dating others.
3. Don't recycle girls

Udachi!

Bill

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 09, 2019, 07:55:58 PM
Moby mischaracterized the situation as he does with most things.

Beel. you are just 'upset' because a lady from Russia backs up my contention that visiting many ladies is a fool's errand for most guys






Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 09, 2019, 08:02:03 PM
Beel. you are just 'upset' because a lady from Russia backs up my contention that visiting many ladies is a fool's errand for most guys

I've explained the way to do it by using VM tactics and
not VO tactics. A VM asks a girl for tea and if she is the
girl then he pursues her exclusively. If not he doesn't meet
her again and keeps meeting for tea until he finds one who is.

The wrong way to do it is to have an extensive relationship
building campaign before visiting. That's using VO tactics.

By using this method you don't waste your time OR their
time.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 09, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
I've explained the way to do it by using VM tactics and
not VO tactics. A VM asks a girl for tea and if she is the
girl then he pursues her exclusively. If not he doesn't meet
her again and keeps meeting for tea until he finds one who is.

The wrong way to do it is to have an extensive relationship
building campaign before visiting. That's using VO tactics.

By using this method you don't waste your time OR their
time.

Beel, you aren't 'most guys' who contemplate this adventure..

You are confident and could utter and comprehend some choice Russian.


'VM ' is a recipe for failure - it is speed dating - it's pure folly - for most
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 10, 2019, 06:31:56 AM
I also met my wife during a WM and after i did a VA.
So we knew physically each other and knew that we are attracted. And so more eager to invest in some correspondance because we had already clicked to the preliminary tests.

I consider that a VO when especially you have at least two full days of travel is pure foly because more than 70% of meetings in a VO are finally a NO NO and not considering the middle and long term effects. (that's what matchmakers are saying).

You have a different opionion MSB and i have a different one.

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 10, 2019, 07:26:48 AM
I also met my wife during a WM and after i did a VA.
So we knew physically each other and knew that we are attracted. And so more eager to invest in some correspondance because we had already clicked to the preliminary tests.

I consider that a VO when especially you have at least two full days of travel is pure foly because more than 70% of meetings in a VO are finally a NO NO and not considering the middle and long term effects. (that's what matchmakers are saying).

You have a different opionion MSB and i have a different one.

Pat,

This is the 21 Century !  ..  99.9% of ladies with profiles that are real have access to video chat .. unless they live in a village in THE middle of nowhere

One can see who you might decide to visit and unless they have terrible body odour or bad breath  - which you may only find out on arrival -  I fail to see why ANYONE would encounter 'no no' situations ...that's just failing on the diligence front  ;)

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Faux Pas on December 10, 2019, 08:16:57 AM
Pat,

This is the 21 Century !  ..  99.9% of ladies with profiles that are real have access to video chat .. unless they live in a village in THE middle of nowhere

One can see who you might decide to visit and unless they have terrible body odour or bad breath  - which you may only find out on arrival -  I fail to see why ANYONE would encounter 'no no' situations ...that's just failing on the diligence front  ;)

FTR I was also a VO. That said, it doesn't matter the century. There is a right way and a wrong way to find Miss Right (for you whomever you may be) whether it be VM or VO. There are literally hundreds of examples of both on this very forum. The right way and the wrong way for both as well. IMHO being dishonest or evasive to a woman is wrong no matter one's choice of method. That will doom a relationship in most instances at some point. Being honest and upfront will likely increase the chances of success.

It is ultimately the woman's choice as well as the man's. Due diligence is necessary  for a VO as well as many follow up trips. Due diligence for a VM, not much at all. There is nothing wrong or dishonest choosing to meet many while one is in-country. The key element is honesty
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: SteveInBoston on December 10, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
I take it that there is not enough other topics here that Nano's Thread has to also be sidetracked by the VO/VM argument.

Hello Nano.  I'm sorry that you are going through the difficulties of international dating.  Normally it is the guys here that lament about difficulties or issues with FSU women.  It is refreshing to hear about the problems FSU women face regarding Western men.

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 11, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
I take it that there is not enough other topics here that Nano's Thread has to also be sidetracked by the VO/VM argument.

Good point, there is a VO/VM thread here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24041.new#new

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: ML on December 11, 2019, 05:57:23 PM

Hello Nano.  I'm sorry that you are going through the difficulties of international dating.  Normally it is the guys here that lament about difficulties or issues with FSU women.  It is refreshing to hear about the problems FSU women face regarding Western men.

Yes, the FSU women really have it bad.

The western man has to finance everything, they have to make the long trips, they have to deal with real scammers (the ones that steal and otherwise obtain money from western men), they are required to adapt to FSU dating rules, they have to adjust to numerous cultural conventions, they have to put up with silly ideas concerning health, medicine, etc.  But this is nothing compared to what the FSU  women have to put up with in the dating phase.

The women have to put up with receiving a large volume of correspondence . . . all of which can be discarded with the push of a computer key.

Oh the injustice of it !!
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 11, 2019, 06:49:23 PM
..and travelling thousands of miles to take tea with lots of women is going to tell YOU WHAT as opposed to extensive video chats and a meeting two people REALLY want?)

Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 12, 2019, 04:29:57 AM
For the sake of women like Nano : 

As i pay my plane ticket, my flat and all your expenses during the dating. 

It's me who decide HOW i date you. 

If you don't like my rules we purely and simply don't meet and will never meet.
That's simple.   

And I never had a problem to meet women everywhere.
There are plenty. 
 

When a man  or a woman try to avoid the competition the repeated odds will drop them alone one day or an other.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: JayH on December 12, 2019, 10:16:29 AM
..and travelling thousands of miles to take tea with lots of women is going to tell YOU WHAT as opposed to extensive video chats and a meeting two people REALLY want?)


Pat ( & all)
women have all the same online problems-- scammers lying,deception etc etc
A lot of time can get wasted  --it is not just men.
Yes-men coming from a distance have to spend money to do that --true . BUT--no one forces them to do that-it is entirely voluntary.
Consider -95% plus guys online will never travel--or putting it another way -- will not do what they say they will do.
Throw in those that seek to exploit , or simply unsuitable etc and  you then have a lot more sympathy for all who seek a real life partner online.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 12, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
..and travelling thousands of miles to take tea with lots of women is going to tell YOU WHAT as opposed to extensive video chats and a meeting two people REALLY want?)
We had a feroce partisan of the video conquest, Vincenzo,
Lost for ever.
I think after video 2.0 he faced reality 0.0 and he lost by 3.0

Sorry MSB but my motto is nothing replaces a real meeting.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: JayH on December 12, 2019, 10:28:43 AM
my motto is nothing replaces a real meeting.


100% agree :)
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: ML on December 12, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
BUT--no one forces them to do that-it is entirely voluntary.

Whereas it is different for the women.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 12, 2019, 09:52:00 PM
For the sake of women like Nano : 

As i pay my plane ticket, my flat and all your expenses during the dating. 

It's me who decide HOW i date you. 

If you don't like my rules we purely and simply don't meet and will never meet.
That's simple.   

And I never had a problem to meet women everywhere.
There are plenty. 
 

When a man  or a woman try to avoid the competition the repeated odds will drop them alone one day or an other.

 :ROFL:

Pat, it is you that is excluding 'keepers'..

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 14, 2019, 06:56:01 PM
“I am seraching from Russia for international ...“

or that’s what little Nano did skazal...
molodets
you want, “Cultural Learnings of America”?

you got it baby!!!!

first, let’s do what in the West is called “a reality check”, horrosho...
as is typical for Russians you neglected to do one....

let’s start with a simple number, your age...
and let’s make a 2 dimensional graph of the distribution of women’s ages at time of marriage
ohhhhh.....
you know what?
according to this graph, 99% of women who get married are younger than you!!!
gozpedy!
that looks bad for you....
oichen plohoi!!

devushka don't mess with a volshebnik...
I have a soul FAR darker than yours
and when I cut you, you will feel it...






 

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 17, 2019, 05:04:07 PM

and when I cut you, you will feel it...

What is it? Is it угроза\сущ. threat, danger, menace, hazard? :arguing:
What I should fear?

Most of man have so much unrealistic wishes that even with visible marriage success - have ugly life with his "beauty" and divorce as result. Yes there is different social role for women and men but time pass for both the same. And very soon you would just ugly old man with night pot drowning in you bad wishes and ugly thoughts and smells not well also.
several post ago you asked me to be friend but I haven't really see you friendly

Patagonie you have bad dating strategy. If you pay for ticket maybe you can demand but only from yourself and not from women you date as you want. You can negotiate this with women but demand ::) - not. This is sort of violence and than you would say I earn money so be tolerate if I offended you. Such men totally disconvenient at marriage life and should be out of dating. Its definitely better to be along than to be with you. 8)

2tallbill maybe its good strategy, especially for women who the same activity as men in dating market and can easily arrange 3-5 dating per evening. But usually its not so much common for women and for me too. Too hard physically and much annoying ::),
 ;) but nice, I would notice
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 17, 2019, 06:06:31 PM
"What I should fear?

Pravda...
the biggest thing you have to fear is the truth about yourself...
truth is the sharpest nosh there is choot choot nano...
sharp enough to cut your soul...

don't confuse a starik with a volshebnik
they may look the same to you...
but they are not...

but you are right, I decided to NOT be your friend...
in Russia they call me Koynov....
Koynov the Volshebnik
and my profession is actually a bitkoynov volshebnik!
see how that works?
you're named after your profession!






Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 17, 2019, 06:15:08 PM
krimster2 do not even attempt...
you marasmus would not sharp my soul and your "pravda" too :devil: 8)
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 17, 2019, 06:28:32 PM
the truth is, if you had the qualities men are looking for in a woman, you would have been married when you were at your peak, 20 YEARS ago....
now your chances just get less and less...
and in a couple of more years...
they will be ничего...
horrosho?

so in reality, this is how you are coping with your empty cold life in Moscva...
by dreaming that one day a handsome knight is going to take you to Amerika
and you will live like a princess...
and as long as you have the dream each night when you go to bed...
you can get up and go to work again the next day, and the next, and the next....

awwww.....
that's sweet.....

but you know what?
it's just a dream....
it's NOT going to happen... nyet...
how do I know?
because I AM a volshebnik baby!
and your future is perfectly CLEAR to me...

you will have to learn how to accept being a lonely old woman
who has to live with her regrets
I'd suggest getting a cat!!!!
unless you already have one...
on the other hand, I suspect you would have a problem taking care of someone or something other than yourself...
it is likely a very hard concept for someone with your personality to understand...
I mean, after all, this is the REASON why you're still single at your age AND didn't have children, right?
eta pravda or nyet?

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 17, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
krimster2 hold your thoughts in your marasmatic head. Ok? Well, let my future would CLEAR to you. What you're attached to me as a bath sheet to the ass? I very glad for you as you have so CLEAR mind. Do not impress me with your marasmus again, I could burst out laughing :ROFL: :devilish: Or ask moderator banning you for offensive pursuing.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 17, 2019, 06:53:25 PM
"marasmatic"

you seem fixated on this term
just so you know...my family left Ukraine before Holodomor...
in America everyone is OVER nourished and not UNDER...
so this term 100% doesn't apply to me...

"Or ask moderator banning you for offensive pursuing."

you mean "telling the truth", sure, go ahead and ask them...
but your attitude and your response just proves my point about you...

enjoy your dream princess....



Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 17, 2019, 07:05:40 PM
yes, go to show your CLEAR mind and great trustful appearance at another topic with "plenty of fish" and "food" for male's mind :)
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 17, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
if man does not live by bread alone, then what else is on the menu?
you don't want to talk about YOU?
why is that?

what else do you you want to talk about maya malyshka?
nothing about reality, only dreams?

sure go ahead, tell me about your dreams
what kind of fairy tale adventure is it?
is it romantic and set in an exotic location?
does it have a handsome foreigner who speaks RUSSIAN?
oh my...my heart is beating faster already...I'd better sit down....
such an exciting fairy tale, it's so wonderful...

but I see a totally different story...
involving an ugly large white apartment building in the Moscva snow...
with a lot of ice by the front door..
starozhina
and I bet the neighbors will annoy you on Dec 31, and on Orthodox Christmas shooting off fireworks in front of your apartment
like they did last year and the year before...

wow! you live a long way from the 3 ring road, it must take you a long time and a lot of metro stops to get to work each day!
quite a struggle in the ice and snow!
I bet I know what color your metro station is!!!  if I guess correctly what kind of prize will you give me? a photo?




Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 17, 2019, 08:29:25 PM
This site became a cirque for a couple of clowns long ago. One of them is pretending to be a Russian expert but he reminds me a parrot who can only imitate sounds. It's useless to report to moderators, they will not ban him anyway, otherwise who will make traffic here?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 02:49:51 AM
What is it? Is it угроза\сущ. threat, danger, menace, hazard? :arguing:
What I should fear?

Most of man have so much unrealistic wishes that even with visible marriage success - have ugly life with his "beauty" and divorce as result. Yes there is different social role for women and men but time pass for both the same. And very soon you would just ugly old man with night pot drowning in you bad wishes and ugly thoughts and smells not well also.
several post ago you asked me to be friend but I haven't really see you friendly

Patagonie you have bad dating strategy. If you pay for ticket maybe you can demand but only from yourself and not from women you date as you want. You can negotiate this with women but demand ::) - not. This is sort of violence and than you would say I earn money so be tolerate if I offended you. Such men totally disconvenient at marriage life and should be out of dating. Its definitely better to be along than to be with you. 8)

2tallbill maybe its good strategy, especially for women who the same activity as men in dating market and can easily arrange 3-5 dating per evening. But usually its not so much common for women and for me too. Too hard physically and much annoying ::) ,
 ;) but nice, I would notice
Nano look how the world is nicely build :

If i am in your city and tell hi we can meet and have a tea, you will refuse and that's perfect no?
So you are totally free to no meet me and i don't impose you anything.

You will ask me to return in my country and start a correspondance with you because you told us that you want to have a long correspondance with a man before meeting. That's your right.
 
And my right is to say no i will not, back in my country; start a correspondance with you. Because i don't want to waste months, vacations and a lot of money for a woman who can have found an other man during this time and when i arrive in her city she could even not answer to my calls. Or maybe she meets me and after one hour she leaves and never returns calls (it happens to many men and it happened to me one time during a VO in Swedish).  And that's my right.

Do i use any violence? No i propose women to meet, they are free to not answer to me, they are free to finally not go to the meeting, they are free to leave me when they want during the meeting for any reason and they don't have to justify it, and they are free after the meeting to never contact me again.

We often ask some basic questions to men coming here,
but what's your age and where do you live, children? So we can understand better the problems you are facing during dating. Because you came here to get more understading about men wanting to meet FSU women no?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 02:58:43 AM
So i read more informations,
Is it true that you are around fourtiy, living in Moscow (or around), without children and average looking?

Ok i wait an answer because those datas are quite important.


Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 07:46:45 AM
Ok Krim thank you.

So Nano are you really serious in this endeavor .... (removed) ?
 
We are often quite harsh with a lot of men coming here, not because this is our nature to be, but because they are unrealistic and it provokes some reactions. 
 
So you are 48, your english is none, no child (so in FSU it's generally like a red flag), you are average and more likely below average , you test men by asking a gift to know if they are serious, you expect them to only chat with you on internet for months while of course they should'nt talk and see any other women. You expect the man to pay all and of course and to never work when you will be in Europe or USA? And additionnaly, even if the city is big, it's a remote city far from many countries. 
 
Really is this a joke? 
 
Because the main problem is not that you are let say average or 48, the main problem is that you have the diva mindset this is the main and strongest opponent to any success. And this why in FSU men avoid you like the plague today I bet.
 
 And so you come here to tell us how we should date FSU women? 
Have you met only ONE foreigner from Europe or USA, ONE?
 
You wrote :
"Patagonie you have bad dating strategy. If you pay for ticket maybe you can demand but only from yourself and not from women you date as you want. You can negotiate this with women but demand (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/rolleyes.gif) - not. This is sort of violence and than you would say I earn money so be tolerate if I offended you. Such men totally disconvenient at marriage life and should be out of dating. Its definitely better to be along than to be with you.
 
I have bad strategy dating?
I met more than 100 women in ten years, i had been married five years with a very cute and young wife. Life gave me everything i wanted last 10 years with interesting and beautiful women. Both from my country and FSU. Since i decided to restart to date again after my divorce, each time i was in Ukraine i met each time an interesting lady. Each time, WITHOUT wasting stupdily my life on internet because i have plenty others interesting things to do.
 
I should be out dating?
Because you are alone without choice and so you would like to control me (like many women) 
 
Your jealousy and your desire of castrate men who don't fit your box are well understood but in fact what you hate the most are all the FSU women who perform better than you and catch the guys before you. 
And it's not gonna to get better after your 50. My MIL is 60 and fortunately she has a TV in her flat. 
 
Its definitely better to be along than to be with you
My pleasure, don't date me, please don't date me, don't contact me WE AGREE on this
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 18, 2019, 09:20:06 AM
Cinema Vérité, once again, the French excel at this genre, mon dieu!

don't worry malyshka...
nyet...
zachem?

because today almost everybody in Moscva is dreaming of living someplace warm in the sun even BORIS and NATASHA!!!...
no harm in having a harmless dream now is there?
Moscva weather is why I currently live in the Gulf of Mexico, and two weeks from now will be in a rain forest in Costa Rica trying to figure out how to grow coffee for Russians like you!!!!
because nothing brightens your morning like a cup of Krimskaya Coffee!! ummm hmmm Kuzna!!
Tak!


 
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 18, 2019, 09:20:56 AM
So i read more informations,
Is it true that you are around fourtiy, living in Moscow (or around), without children and average looking?

Ok i wait an answer because those datas are quite important.

Worse Nano lives in Yekaterinburg. If she lived in Moscow or St. Petersburg then that would be more familiar to most western men. I think less men are likely to make the journey to Yekaterinburg to visit just one woman.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 18, 2019, 09:21:50 AM
2tallbill maybe its good strategy, especially for women who the same activity as men in dating market and can easily arrange 3-5 dating per evening. But usually its not so much common for women and for me too. Too hard physically and much annoying ::),
 ;) but nice, I would notice

You looked at only the first part of what I said, but look at the second as well.

I dated UNTIL I found a good girl with mutual chemistry. Then I pursued
ONLY her.

Let's say we were both single and we meet. We have some tea and maybe
cake and If we liked each other then we date exclusively and see only each
other. However, if we don't we go our separate ways and keep seeking and
we don't waste time, energy or emotions, we can go back to seeking our
other half.

 

 
Title: Nano's thread not a tar and feathering
Post by: 2tallbill on December 18, 2019, 09:28:27 AM
Guys,

There is no reason for tar and feathering Nano or picking at her.
If you disagree, make your argument for sure, but you guys
know how to act in social situations. You wouldn't say this
in a real situation. I shouldn't have to come here and
turn on the hose.


So Nano are you really serious, or are you a troll ?   

Be nice, If Nano is not for you then there isn't any reason to bother her.

Run Forrest Run!!

Krim,

There is no reason to go out of your way to poke Nano with a stick.
If she followed you around thread to thread poking a stick at you,
then you would have a reason, but commenting in her own thread
doesn't qualify.


Mir i spokoystviye



Worse Nano .................

Trench, stop piling on. You've been piled on before, did you like it?



Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 18, 2019, 09:37:15 AM

Your jealousy and your desire of castrate men who don't fit your box are presents but in fact what you hate the most are all the FSU women who perform better than you and catch the guys before you. 
And it's not gonna to get better after your 50. My MIL is 60 and fortunately she has a TV in her flat.
 
Its definitely better to be alone than to be with you
My pleasure, don't date me, please don't date me, don't contact me WE AGREE on this

Oh priceless :ROFL:

Seriously though, I think Nano has to ask herself why she hasn't made it with the local guys in her area over time as you suggest Pat. It could be a number of things and I think some of those we have likely gone into with Nano. Accepting that something would need to change isn't easy for some people, some people seem to think it's the world around them. That said people can differ in different cultures and that may be enough change to make a someone fit. I think that while Nano can be a nice engaging sort of person she has a certain forward nature about her that western men would likely find more difficult to be with than Russian guys. A person changing their personality though is probably one of the hardest things. I'm not really sure what to suggest for Nano. It may help if she tells us what she is after in dating western men? If she is past childbearing age or as good enough the same as or she doesn't want children then maybe she is just after companionship? In that case she may have more luck with a much older guy, perhaps in his sixties or older who wants the same and has the time on his hands due to retirement to travel out to see her.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 10:36:08 AM
To tell you in an other way Nano,

Rather than try to make obey the world to you (men being the first in your head to obey), and this is called a phantasm. 

Go to see HOW other women (48) are successful with men and especially with foreign men.
 
You could learn a lot, to your profit. 

Making the men conforming to your dating  has nothing to do with the real dating world. 

And i could go along my post writing pages about this and explaining you why.

But i don't think that you can even get what i wrote last four posts, because this world is too far from your, but mine come from decades of fights with the reality, that's the  difference. 

 
How by the way what I am writing now, I did it myself 13 years ago. Don't tell me what do you know about .... na na na. Read all Operation White Panther.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
Worse Nano lives in Yekaterinburg. If she lived in Moscow or St. Petersburg then that would be more familiar to most western men. I think less men are likely to make the journey to Yekaterinburg to visit just one woman.

I took it in account in my initial long post. Nice city i would like to visit, but far, far....
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 18, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
revenge ruins the soul of a fool...
the same way a diamond breaks the rock that it came from...

the truth is, I have met MANY nanos...
their stories are all different, yet also the same (it's why I get them mixed up so easily)...
here’s a metaphor...
if women were like flowers or plants...
nano would be a cactus....
guys, you want a delicate sweet fragrant orchid and not a freakin cactus like nano...
ok?
this is what I want you guys to see!
you do NOT EVER tolerate this kind of “prickly behavior” from a Russian Woman!!!!
you want a woman who WILL TREAT YOU 100 TIMES BETTER...
unless, you’re one of those weirdos who wants to be dominated by a woman...
tied up and even spanked by her....
is that what you guys want?
cuz, to be honest, I tried it, and it wasn’t that great...
and all I really got was a krasne jhoppa out of it...

"This site became a cirque for a couple of clowns long ago."

yes, moose and squirrel are laughing at you Boris!
where's your chorny plosh and kapka?
you and natasha can never beat moose and squirrel!!!

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 18, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
My now husband visited Vladivostok in January just to meet me. Further than Ekaterinburg, isn't? I was 50 years old when agreed to marry him (56 now). The US was (is) not a country of my dreams, just a place to live. No need to continue that thread, leave it because it is playground for idiots, которые годами безрезультатно болтаются по просторам бывшего Союза, как г*** в проруби.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: GQBlues on December 18, 2019, 11:58:08 AM
I took it in account in my initial long post. Nice city i would like to visit, but far, far....


That's interesting, Pat. From France to Ekat...This is obviously one of those 'subjective' situations.


When I courted my wife, our worlds at that time we're literally on the opposite sides of the globe. L.A. to Novosibirsk. One of the gals I came to meet on my first trip (Moscow) is/was from Ekat..she looked exactly like a young Faith Hill. When she flew back to Ekat, I actually bought a plane ticket to fly there a few days later as I wanted to see her again even for just a day. Then I flew back to Moscow, and eventually flew back to L.A.


Anyway, IMO, distance travelled is, or should be, irrelevant when compared to the  cause of the journey.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: jone on December 18, 2019, 12:05:24 PM

That's interesting, Pat. From France to Ekat...This is obviously one of those 'subjective' situations.


When I courted my wife, our worlds at that time we're literally on the opposite sides of the globe. L.A. to Novosibirsk. One of the gals I came to meet on my first trip (Moscow) is/was from Ekat..she looked exactly like a young Faith Hill. When she flew back to Ekat, I actually bought a plane ticket to fly there a few days later as I wanted to see her again even for just a day. Then I flew back to Moscow, and eventually flew back to L.A.


Anyway, IMO, distance travelled is, or should be, irrelevant when compared to the  cause of the journey.

I have never figured out which is correct:   Yekaterinburg or Ekaterinburg.   Never mind.

I did travel to Ekat one time and three times to Chelyabinsk which is also in the Southern Urals.   Drove past the place (now leveled and rebuilt) where they executed the Tsar and his family.   I would not call Ekat a destination city.   It has the same qualities that many of the other Soviet designed cities have.   Lots of ugly apartment buildings with a downtown area that lends nothing to a tourist industry.   I actually was there with the woman I was dating at the time.   (She was applying for a Tourist visa which, of course, was declined.) 

But for those guys who want to make the trip, the women there that I did see were pretty exceptional in appearance.   And I will say that the families that I met in the Southern Urals were all very hospitable and warm. 
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 18, 2019, 12:11:44 PM
revenge ruins the soul of a fool...
the same way a diamond breaks the rock that it came from...

the truth is, I have met MANY nanos...
their stories are all different, yet also the same (it's why I get them mixed up so easily)...
here’s a metaphor...
if women were like flowers or plants...
nano would be a cactus....
guys, you want a delicate sweet fragrant orchid and not a freakin cactus like nano...
ok?
this is what I want you guys to see!
you do NOT EVER tolerate this kind of “prickly behavior” from a Russian Woman!!!!
you want a woman who WILL TREAT YOU 100 TIMES BETTER...
unless, you’re one of those weirdos who wants to be dominated by a woman...
tied up and even spanked by her....
is that what you guys want?
cuz, to be honest, I tried it, and it wasn’t that great...
and all I really got was a krasne jhoppa out of it...

"This site became a cirque for a couple of clowns long ago."

yes, moose and squirrel are laughing at you Boris!
where's your chorny plosh and kapka?
you and natasha can never beat moose and squirrel!!!
забористую траву куришь, однако  ;D
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 12:29:01 PM

That's interesting, Pat. From France to Ekat...This is obviously one of those 'subjective' situations.


When I courted my wife, our worlds at that time we're literally on the opposite sides of the globe. L.A. to Novosibirsk. One of the gals I came to meet on my first trip (Moscow) is/was from Ekat..she looked exactly like a young Faith Hill. When she flew back to Ekat, I actually bought a plane ticket to fly there a few days later as I wanted to see her again even for just a day. Then I flew back to Moscow, and eventually flew back to L.A.


Anyway, IMO, distance travelled is, or should be, irrelevant when compared to the  cause of the journey.
With the VO vs VM   
one of the biggest discussion is city girls vs village girls.
 
I don't have a real opinion about this. 

Howver
My advice is to tell to newbies, to choose a location which is convenient for easy transportation and bigh enough to meet a large pool of girls.
 Especially for guys in USA and Australia who are very far and those who don't have a lot of time. 
So they can not only shorten their time total trip but especially spend a MAXIMUM time with their ladies to know her, which is a key in success IMHO. 

My personnal choice now is aiming Kiev considering that i would like to relocate there partially at least, enjoy a vivid life and have no more than a big hald day of trip to go and the same to be back. 
I had extensively travelled from my birth to my 19. I like it but to some extent.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Gator on December 18, 2019, 01:04:02 PM

Anyway, IMO, distance travelled is, or should be, irrelevant when compared to the  cause of the journey.

BINGO!

I can not imagine my world without my wife at my side.  She is from remote Chelyabinsk, with two children  and spoke little English. So why did I take the first trip?   

Everything, repeat "everything" about her fascinated me:   Cossack,  happy family, teenage professional athlete, European runway model for 13 years, twice married (once to the Mob!), abhorred the Communist Party, classy, etc., etc., etc.

Most important, in our brief emails and translated phone calls,  I could feel a connection.   I knew we would have fun together, even if nothing long-term evolved. 

We met, starting 5 years of off-on dating before she said "yes." 

The journey can be long and tortuous.  Enjoy it!  Embrace it!  Be patient and accept the torment.  Above all, follow your feelings.  I say this because it is all about feelings....yours and hers.   
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 18, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
unless, you’re one of those weirdos who wants to be dominated by a woman...
tied up and even spanked by her....
is that what you guys want?

No, but I wouldn't mind doing it the other way around I think :crackwhip: :P

Perhaps that's where Nano could find her niche, she could see if there is a local market of weirdo's for a domatran and maybe even earn a bit of money along the way from it :D
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 18, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
"забористую траву куришь, однако"

Я попробую, если вы порекомендуете это!

so wait...
this is the mizzus?
what did you do with your husband, how come you're posting on his account?
did he have an accident or something?
yeah, sure, it was an "accident"!
what other accidents are there?
I'm watching you...

I dunno, something doesn't seem right here....
hmmmmmm.......
hello...bureau 15, I have an anomaly to report from Vladivostok, repeat Vladivostok....
 


"Kiev "

I'd wait another year or so to see what Putin will do with Ukraine before I settled and bought property in Kyiv...
by next autumn Putin will turn off the flow of gas to Ukraine...
then what...???
maybe the worst case scenario, while Trump is still in office...
don't be there if this happens...

if he doesn't do it by 2021, then Ukraine might not face imminent invasion





Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 18, 2019, 02:03:49 PM
My husband never had any account here 😀. Пить надо меньше,  особенно, если уже под кайфом. Ну и запомни, что под самым пышным хвостом павлина скрывается обычная куриная жопа. Так что меньше пафоса, my dear  :P
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
BINGO!

I can not imagine my world without my wife at my side.  She is from remote Chelyabinsk, with two children  and spoke little English. So why did I take the first trip?   

Everything, repeat "everything" about her fascinated me:   Cossack,  happy family, teenage professional athlete, European runway model for 13 years, twice married (once to the Mob!), abhorred the Communist Party, classy, etc., etc., etc.

Most important, in our brief emails and translated phone calls,  I could feel a connection.   I knew we would have fun together, even if nothing long-term evolved. 

We met, starting 5 years of off-on dating before she said "yes." 

The journey can be long and tortuous.  Enjoy it!  Embrace it!  Be patient and accept the torment.  Above all, follow your feelings.  I say this because it is all about feelings....yours and hers.   

Gator what do you mean about runway model?
I imagine that her children were old when you met?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: ML on December 18, 2019, 02:18:05 PM

Gator what do you mean about runway model?
I imagine that her children were old when you met?

When the models walk on the stage to display the dresses, etc.,  the stage is referred to as a 'runway.'
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: jone on December 18, 2019, 02:25:50 PM
My husband never had any account here 😀. Пить надо меньше,  особенно, если уже под кайфом. Ну и запомни, что под самым пышным хвостом павлина скрывается обычная куриная жопа. Так что меньше пафоса, my dear  :P

 :ROFL:

Peacock.  Perfect.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 18, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
"Kiev "

I'd wait another year or so to see what Putin will do with Ukraine before I settled and bought property in Kyiv...
by next autumn Putin will turn off the flow of gas to Ukraine...
then what...???
maybe the worst case scenario, while Trump is still in office...
don't be there if this happens...

if he doesn't do it by 2021, then Ukraine might not face imminent invasion

Why might he turn off the gas this autumn to Ukraine?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 18, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
chivo?

I am neither a chicken nor a peacock...
I am a different kind of bird...
Видна́ пти́ца по полёту

Trench...
why?
because when Putin starts a job, he will always finish it...
he tested Trump and the West and there was no response after Azov...
everything is operating according to a time table...

next September/October.....


Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 18, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
When the models walk on the stage to display the dresses, etc.,  the stage is referred to as a 'runway.'
Dear ML, when we come around the woman antichambre, you know all  :P
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
Trench...
why?
because when Putin starts a job, he will always finish it...
he tested Trump and the West and there was no response after Azov...
everything is operating according to a time table...

next September/October.....

Knock it off krimster.

Do you mean the Nordstream Gas pipeline project from Russia to Germany & hence the rest of Europe will do it. Apparently it's due for completion this year coming in 2020 and not far of completion at the moment. This article seems to think Ukraine may suffer as a result:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/kremlin-us-sanctions-wont-stop-nord-stream-2-gas-pipeline-to-germany/a-51720728
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 18, 2019, 03:57:36 PM
yes!!
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Gator on December 18, 2019, 04:50:30 PM

Gator......I imagine that her children were old when you met?

Thanks for asking.  When we met, children were 7 and 18.  Now 20 and 31.   Great kids. 
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: rwd123 on December 18, 2019, 11:07:25 PM
We are often quite harsh with a lot of men coming here, not because this is our nature to be, but because they are unrealistic and it provokes some reactions. 
 
So you are 48, your english is none, no child (so in FSU it's generally like a red flag), you are average and more likely below average , you test men by asking a gift to know if they are serious, you expect them to only chat with you on internet for months while of course they should'nt talk and see any other women. You expect the man to pay all and of course and to never work when you will be in Europe or USA? And additionnaly, even if the city is big, it's a remote city far from many countries. 
 
Really is this a joke? 
Applying the patented RWD Reality Check Test (for women),

Age/Beauty: -1. 48yos don't have much pulling power.
Language: 0. No English is a huge barrier.
Time: +1. Sounds like local dating is ok, but won't travel.
Physical: 0/+1. No idea so taking the middle ground.
Personality: -1/0. No husband or kids at 48 is a red flag to many; a 48yo diva is definitely -1.

Score: between -1/+1.

In other words, her match is someone like Trench. The problem is he isn't chasing a 48yo from Yekaterinburg because it's too hard to get a visa and too far to travel. So to attract better potential partners she is then competing with thousands of other women who are probably younger, more attractive, and not bitter towards men.

As is the case with most people seeking a partner; a) improve yourself, b) adjust your expectations, c) be happy being single, d) don't blame others for your state in life.




Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 01:14:07 AM
Applying the patented RWD Reality Check Test (for women),

Age/Beauty: -1. 48yos don't have much pulling power.
Language: 0. No English is a huge barrier.
Time: +1. Sounds like local dating is ok, but won't travel.
Physical: 0/+1. No idea so taking the middle ground.
Personality: -1/0. No husband or kids at 48 is a red flag to many; a 48yo diva is definitely -1.

Score: between -1/+1.

In other words, her match is someone like Trench. The problem is he isn't chasing a 48yo from Yekaterinburg because it's too hard to get a visa and too far to travel. So to attract better potential partners she is then competing with thousands of other women who are probably younger, more attractive, and not bitter towards men.

As is the case with most people seeking a partner; a) improve yourself, b) adjust your expectations, c) be happy being single, d) don't blame others for your state in life.

I think Nano could improve herself in some ways but I think at her age of she is 48 the biggest problem is her age. Most younger men will be out of the question at that age unless they are pretty desperate. Even older men in their fifties may see her as too old. We see it on here that many men in their fifties go for women in their mid to late thirties, sometimes inadvisably younger. Add to that Nano's temperament and we're probably talking a much older guy to be able to handle her depending on the person of course. Hence why I said a guy in his sixties or older who could well be more serious and have the time available. Plus as Nano wishes to be a kept women guys around retirement age will have had a lifetime of earnings behind them (hopefully) and a good safe secure pension (hopefully). If the guy passes on after a few years then Nano could be well off financially, potentially.

So adjusting her expectations is probably the main one for Nano. Many men who are around Nano's age or even older a lot of the time can't be bothered with women after 40 ish as they start to lose their looks, some of them badly and hence with it the attraction. I don't think Nano is bad looking but age tends not to help any of us. I'm aware of it myself, I wouldn't say I am particularly aged looking compared to some guys but honestly if I were to seriously consider myself of interest to many younger girls in their twenties then some minor stuff like fillers would probably needed. Otherwise they would look at me and just see too much of an older guy to properly take seriously unless perhaps if she was on the materialistic side maybe.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 19, 2019, 01:30:38 AM
Applying the patented RWD Reality Check Test (for women),

Age/Beauty: -1. 48yos don't have much pulling power.
Language: 0. No English is a huge barrier.
Time: +1. Sounds like local dating is ok, but won't travel.
Physical: 0/+1. No idea so taking the middle ground.
Personality: -1/0. No husband or kids at 48 is a red flag to many; a 48yo diva is definitely -1.

Score: between -1/+1.

In other words, her match is someone like Trench. The problem is he isn't chasing a 48yo from Yekaterinburg because it's too hard to get a visa and too far to travel. So to attract better potential partners she is then competing with thousands of other women who are probably younger, more attractive, and not bitter towards men.

As is the case with most people seeking a partner; a) improve yourself, b) adjust your expectations, c) be happy being single, d) don't blame others for your state in life.
Nice post, nice reality check.

I would add just the experience of one my close french female friend, because Nano is not only competing against her local peers, but also against local western men.
As a FSU woman want to relocate the man should be in the top 10% at least financially. 

This is exactly what my female friend, [who is 1/ for a woman of 57 a +1 physically 2/living in the best suburb of my big city and seating on a big asset . 3/ totally easy on socials] is facing
She told me "nice men of in my group age (who have the package : money, look ok, education) have the choice". She is chasing men between 48 and 57. 

Not only they have of course choice in their group age but they also chase women 10 or 15 years younger.

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: rwd123 on December 19, 2019, 02:17:36 AM
This is exactly what my female friend, [who is 1/ for a woman of 57 a +1 physically 2/living in the best suburb of my big city and seating on a big asset . 3/ totally easy on socials] is facing
She told me "nice men of in my group age (who have the package : money, look ok, education) have the choice". She is chasing men between 48 and 57. 

Not only they have of course choice in their group age but they also chase women 10 or 15 years younger.
She needs a reality check. A 50yo eligible bachelor isn't interested in a 57yo; rather, he'd more likely chase a 37yo. She may be a great catch but she's fishing in the wrong waters. Most men want youth not money so her financial position isn't as important as it would be for a man.

I'd rate her -1 for physical characteristics, because it is relative to the type of man she is hoping to find.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 19, 2019, 02:57:38 AM
She needs a reality check. A 50yo eligible bachelor isn't interested in a 57yo; rather, he'd more likely chase a 37yo. She may be a great catch but she's fishing in the wrong waters. Most men want youth not money so her financial position isn't as important as it would be for a man.

I'd rate her -1 for physical characteristics, because it is relative to the type of man she is hoping to find.




You nailed it, But not exactly in the manner you describe.
However i can guarantee you that she gets plenty of rendez vous with high level profiles men. She is good to get those rendez vous.
The problem is coming more from her Cinderella attitude. This hides internal insecurities that translate in a jealous behavior, jealousy translates in controlling her partner. The result, as you can guess : it makes them feeing. earlier or later.   
Typical behavior : as soon as she interested in a man, she would like him to stop any other chat, meetings with all other women (note that nothing still happened, not even a kiss) and so she sends him a false profile to trap him to know if he wants to meet the false profile, to know if he's serious.  :cluebat:
No guys I don't joke. I told her to stop this shit asap (if she wants to practice SM there are special events for this).  :wallbash:
Note : many women do such shit and also in international relationship.

To tell you how i am cautious, I have actually shut off Badoo. And i also take great care to relocate my Tinder in France rather than in Ukraine. As my profile is almost all in russian i consider that matches are not gonna to happen. But in fact i have sometimes a match, don't know how, from Ukrainian ladies again. So i am very careful when i open this application now here in France.

 
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 06:53:47 AM
if you come to judge
then it is you who shall be judged...

if you come to love
then it is you who shall be loved...

I have met MANY nanos...
their stories always end the same way....
they slowly die a little inside
from the bitterness that festers inside them
over their failed search for Mr Right
over their failure for not finding their dream....

because she is desperately trying to avoid having the realization...
that it REALLY is just a dream...
and will NEVER be reality....
and a little over 10 years from now she will be a poor old staroshka
living in a run-down apartment on a pension of 16,000 rubles/month eating catfood...
that's what's at stake here, ok?

if I were you in your situation, I might even be willing to listen to what my nemesis Krimster has to say...
cuz I say, even WITH all your handicaps you could still snag an oilman here in Houston
and I know two Russian women who did, I had dinner with them last month!!

my knowledge is more valuable than gold sistruh,
ya skazal pravda
I am mad, crazy volshebnick
who can see what no one else can see
and who knows what no one else knows...

here is a problem for you to solve little one...
what if I'm telling you the truth...
what then?

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 08:13:36 AM
Typical behavior : as soon as she interested in a man, she would like him to stop any other chat, meetings with all other women (note that nothing still happened, not even a kiss) and so she sends him a false profile to trap him to know if he wants to meet the false profile, to know if he's serious.  :cluebat:
No guys I don't joke. I told her to stop this shit asap (if she wants to practice SM there are special events for this).  :wallbash:

Oh dear god no, she never told me she did that! That's way too disingenuous, even for me, lol. It's a major bad move which even I wouldn't do.

I know a lot of you guys know I had some trust issues in the past but none of them were that deep compared to Nano here. It's a bad move what she is doing as it's screwing up potential relationships before they have began. In the early days at dating online abroad I used to look at when the girl had last been on for those I was most interested in and the first girl I met in Kiev I asked that we agree to not correspond with others before meeting, she agreed, I didn't do fake profiles to check up. Since then though I haven't bothered to do this with any of the other girls and wouldn't do so again, it's a pointless waste to do so. I found that until meeting no one knows if their is any chemistry there, etc so it's pointless trying to get loyalty from someone before you know this and before there is any sound basis on which to build a relationship. The big issue with the way Nano is doing it is that it messes up the game before a relationship is even gotten into. As has been said before a meeting and hence relationship anyone is really free to do as they please. Asking a guy not to contact others is just setting oneself up for destruction with that guy, moreso if she contacts him with a fake profile.

Better would be for Nano is just to get guys to visit and not care about any of that, the cost is all on them so she loses nothing. If there is chemistry on meeting the greater chance the guy will be loyal anyway. If not she still gains experience of meeting guys and can learn from it. Meeting any guy would be a better situation for her than where she is now where no guys visit her. Once/if she can get guys to visit her she will soon realise the folly of what she has been doing in trying to ascertain their loyalty beforehand, basically that it is a pointless task as it is so far back in the relationship process that it is pre-relationship.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 19, 2019, 09:07:55 AM
This site became a cirque for a couple of clowns long ago. One of them is pretending to be a Russian expert but he reminds me a parrot who can only imitate sounds. It's useless to report to moderators, they will not ban him anyway, otherwise who will make traffic here?
totally agree!
Wanted like this

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 19, 2019, 09:08:40 AM
but most of men something appearing like this
(the sign мы милые котики из интернета)
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
but most of men something appearing like this
(the sign мы милые котики из интернета)

Western men find there can be bad women who want to scam a guy for money, goods, or use him as a immigration mule. Russian & Ukrainian women can find bad western men that say they want a relationship but only want sex, or timewasting to pass the time or stave off loneliness, etc.

There are subtle questions that you can ask along the way as 2tallbill demonstrated at the top of this thread. However, I've found a battery of interrogation questions doesn't really get you far, the odd one delicately put is ok.

In general you might as well bring up as many guys that you can that might be up for a visit. Meet in a public place and don't go anywhere private with the guy until you have met a few times during his visit and determined if he is ok. Take safeguards if you invite him anywhere private. In general if there is chemistry between the two of you on meeting then that can make the whole thing more straight forward.

I would bring up as many guys as you can for visits as you only truly get to know each other when you see each other in person. You need to message a little beforehand for background of course, etc, but it's basically pointless trying to rule out a lot of stuff that can cause issues beforehand. I've tried it and it can become too much of a process. Better it seems to just meet as many people as possible and then determine whether they are decent there and then when you see them in person not over internet espionage, lol. Otherwise as the saying goes you can be 'putting the horse before the cart'.

As the guys here know early on in my search I got wound up about the 'bad girls' who you get in online dating. They were right when they told me not to let it turn into a negative in terms of me reacting in a negative disposition towards all internet women from the outset. Why? Because it doesn't help the search it just sets you up for more failure. I think you are doing somewhat similar Nano maybe in even more of a stark manner and it's hurting your chances by stopping you from actually meeting any western men at all.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 09:41:29 AM
все кошки серые в темноте...

life is NEVER the way it should be...
but this is NOT an external problem maya malenkiy
but an internal one...

you are single, not because of plokhiye koshki...
nyet....
you are single because of how you behave towards men...
ya skazal pravda....

the reality is you don’t like men, and you have a lot of anger towards them...
in fact, you just have a LOT of anger....
and even me, so far away, can see this...
all those bad feelings inside you...

you would LOVE to find a man who could release you from ALL of that...
but you can’t...
because they repel you and you repel them..
and this just adds to your frustration and anger...

BUT...
malyshka, maybe I really am just some poor old tired starik pretending to be a mad, crazy volshebnick, who doesn’t REALLY know what he’s talking about...
or...
maybe not...

chto ty dumayesh malyshka...
don't you want to play anymore?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 19, 2019, 09:54:18 AM
but most of men something appearing like this
(the sign мы милые котики из интернета)
Remember what i wrote :

To tell you in an other way Nano,

Rather than try to make obey the world to you (men being the first in your head to obey), and this is called a phantasm. 

Go to see HOW other women (48) are successful with men and especially with foreign men.
 
You could learn a lot, to your profit. 

Making the men conforming to your dating  has nothing to do with the real dating world. 

And i could go along my post writing pages about this and explaining you why.

But i don't think that you can even get what i wrote last four posts, because this world is too far from your, but mine come from decades of fights with the reality, that's the  difference. 

 
How by the way what I am writing now, I did it myself 13 years ago. Don't tell me what do you know about .... na na na. Read all Operation White Panther.
Here we are, again, the fault is on the men ... lol :trainwreck:
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 10:26:43 AM
everyone always blames the OTHER
it's NEVER something that they're doing wrong...
seems a common human foible

but THIS resentment that Nano shows
means she has a lot of baggage and a a "big chip" on her shoulder

and ya know, I like the wikipedia definition of "chip on the shoulder"

To have a chip on one's shoulder refers to the act of holding a grudge or grievance that readily provokes disputation.
It can also mean a person thinking too much of oneself or feeling entitled.

if you want a middle-aged woman who feels this way guys...
you don't have to go to Russia to find one, hell no!!!
America is full of 45+ year old women who have this attitude...
and they all speak English and you don't have to fly 7,000 miles to get into an argument with them...
so why even bother getting this level of quality in Russia when it's so readily available here domestically in HUGE quantity on craigs list...
for a woman nano's age there is absolutely NO REASON to go to Russia to find one...
you only go to Russia to find an 18-30 year old, and you can find that no matter what your age is...
I personally know two American men in their 60s who married Russian women in their 20s
my wife is only 15 years younger than me...but I know many 20+ year age spreads...

yeah, I'm just a poor old starik whose malnourished brain has a hard time processing reality
eta ya

but I am where I am and you are where you are...





Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Grumpy on December 19, 2019, 11:02:24 AM
 I do not think Nano's age is a problem. There are plenty of older men looking.
Look at any tour video, enough men are over 50.

The older men have the advantage of having time and money for travel that the younger gentlemen may not have.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 11:23:35 AM
"Look at any tour video, enough men are over 50."

there are several guys who've been on this board that are that age and married 20+ year olds from Ukraine...
why?
because they could...

if you SERIOUSLY want a middle-aged woman with a poor attitude, then that's basically every middle aged single woman here in the USA, why go to Russia for that ...
won't be much difference physically, between her and average middle-aged American single woman, so what does she offer...that would make you fly over and sponsor her back to the USA
hmmmm....

that's why this is all a little girl's fairy tale with an "unhappy" ending...
cinderella never got her magic slipper never went to the ball and met her prince...
and now she wants to cry about it and blame it on cats




Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 19, 2019, 11:42:00 AM
"Look at any tour video, enough men are over 50."

there are several guys who've been on this board that are that age and married 20+ year olds from Ukraine...
why?
because they could...

if you SERIOUSLY want a middle-aged woman with a poor attitude, then that's basically every middle aged single woman here in the USA, why go to Russia for that ...
won't be much difference physically, between her and average middle-aged American single woman, so what does she offer...that would make you fly over and sponsor her back to the USA
hmmmm....

that's why this is all a little girl's fairy tale with an "unhappy" ending...
cinderella never got her magic slipper never went to the ball and met her prince...
and now she wants to cry about it and blame it on cats

+1 Well written.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 19, 2019, 12:24:53 PM
Applying the patented RWD Reality Check Test (for women),

Age/Beauty: -1. 48yos don't have much pulling power.
Language: 0. No English is a huge barrier.
Time: +1. Sounds like local dating is ok, but won't travel.
Physical: 0/+1. No idea so taking the middle ground.
Personality: -1/0. No husband or kids at 48 is a red flag to many; a 48yo diva is definitely -1.

Score: between -1/+1.

In other words, her match is someone like Trench. The problem is he isn't chasing a 48yo from Yekaterinburg because it's too hard to get a visa and too far to travel. So to attract better potential partners she is then competing with thousands of other women who are probably younger, more attractive, and not bitter towards men.

As is the case with most people seeking a partner; a) improve yourself, b) adjust your expectations, c) be happy being single, d) don't blame others for your state in life.
Where does this conclusion come from? Proven thing is Nano's location (Yekaterinburg), and so-so English (but Nano writes without using translator). Better apply reality check to other participants, Patagonie, for example. 😁
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 19, 2019, 12:33:34 PM

if you want a middle-aged woman who feels this way guys...
you don't have to go to Russia to find one, hell no!!!
America is full of 45+ year old women who have this attitude...
and they all speak English and you don't have to fly 7,000 miles to get into an argument with them...
so why even bother getting this level of quality in Russia when it's so readily available here domestically in HUGE quantity on craigs list...
for a woman nano's age there is absolutely NO REASON to go to Russia to find one...
you only go to Russia to find an 18-30 year old, and you can find that no matter what your age is...
I personally know two American men in their 60s who married Russian women in their 20s
my wife is only 15 years younger than me...but I know many 20+ year age spreads...

yeah, I'm just a poor old starik whose malnourished brain has a hard time processing reality
eta ya

but I am where I am and you are where you are...
My husband's ex (American) was 15 years younger than him, 3 years is our age difference, so what?  :D Не всех же устраивают молодые безмозглые дуры в качестве спутницы жизни.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
everyone always blames the OTHER
it's NEVER something that they're doing wrong...
seems a common human foible

True, I think this tends to come down to being unable to understand. I've seen it were I've heard both sides of an argument, but regardless of who I think is in the right or wrong I think each side picks out the favourably part to them and argues that. Recognition of anything that does not favour their position always seems to be disregarded even if they hear it from the other party who of course sees it as the favourable part. Now of course some people can be more at fault than the other party, but usually the argument tends to focus on who is more right.

I'm not sure in all of this though whether any understanding of the argument can ever truly be attained. It seems to be the hardest thing and almost unscalable.

I think you are right Krimster in that Nano is already setting herself up for failure as she seems to want to tell the guy how it is going to be. That to my mind is laying the foundations for an argument in the making and a big fallout. No guy is going to travel that distance then be told what is happening and that is the only acceptable path he can take. He will see it as he wants to do X or Y in any given situation. The more situations that come up where a decision has to be made either way the more chance for argument and fallout.

I remember Kherson girl who I was with who seems to have a similar attitude to Nano of 'We do it this way or not at all.' The guy doesn't know where this type of attitude is coming from and so can't possibly understand. It comes across badly as if the woman is acting dictatorially - that will get men running for the hills or at the very least be something they will find very difficult if not impossible to deal with, they just won't understand why? They will want to date and conduct relationships with their own decisions.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2019, 02:36:07 PM
No, but I wouldn't mind doing it the other way around I think :crackwhip: :P

Perhaps that's where Nano could find her niche, she could see if there is a local market of weirdo's for a domatran and maybe even earn a bit of money along the way from it :D

Without Moby here to kick you for every stupid thing you say
I feel the need to do it myself.

Why don't you go see if they have a school for the deaf and/or
blind in Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Krapistan and everywhere
else?

Surely, you can find a hottie among all of them, because you don't
have a chance with normal girls with your idiot ideas, destitute
financial situation and ridiculous theories on what make women tick.

You need to pile on somebody else like you need to gain 20 kilos.

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 03:47:04 PM
Without Moby here to kick you for every stupid thing you say
I feel the need to do it myself.

Why don't you go see if they have a school for the deaf and/or
blind in Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Krapistan and everywhere
else?

Surely, you can find a hottie among all of them, because you don't
have a chance with normal girls with your idiot ideas, destitute
financial situation and ridiculous theories on what make women tick.

You need to pile on somebody else like you need to gain 20 kilos.

Chill man it was just a joke, I'm sure Nano saw the funny side ;)

Besides I am seriously trying to help her out here. Some not bad stuff in the above comments I make I think. I'm not out to bash Nano, I just think she isn't coming across in the right way to them. Having met similar issues with some of the women I've come across its something I've had a bit of experience in dealing with, not necessarily successfully of course but the learning is there.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: JayH on December 19, 2019, 04:23:21 PM
 :applause:
Without Moby here to kick you for every stupid thing you say
I feel the need to do it myself.

Why don't you go see if they have a school for the deaf and/or
blind in Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Krapistan and everywhere
else?

Surely, you can find a hottie among all of them, because you don't
have a chance with normal girls with your idiot ideas, destitute
financial situation and ridiculous theories on what make women tick.

You need to pile on somebody else like you need to gain 20 kilos.
:applause:
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: JayH on December 19, 2019, 04:30:02 PM
Chill man it was just a joke, I'm sure Nano saw the funny side ;)

Besides I am seriously trying to help her out here. Some not bad stuff in the above comments I make I think. I'm not out to bash Nano, I just think she isn't coming across in the right way to them. Having met similar issues with some of the women I've come across its something I've had a bit of experience in dealing with, not necessarily successfully of course but the learning is there.

A joke?
From you the social misfit !
You wonder why so many here have condemned your attitude  -- and here it is and you think you are funny?
You have had about 2 1/2 minutes actual exposure to fsuw  and are still so stupid to think anything Krimster has to say has any basis of reality to it -- and now you are stupid enough attack a genuine fsuw because the idiot Krimster is?
 :cluebat:

As for Pat -I am disappointed in his comments here. :(
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
I could write a thousand words or just give one picture...
ya know I think I'll go with the picture....
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 05:04:48 PM
A joke?
From you the social misfit !
You wonder why so many here have condemned your attitude  -- and here it is and you think you are funny?
You have had about 2 1/2 minutes actual exposure to fsuw  and are still so stupid to think anything Krimster has to say has any basis of reality to it -- and now you are stupid enough attack a genuine fsuw because the idiot Krimster is?
 :cluebat:

As for Pat -I am disappointed in his comments here. :(

I'm not attacking Nano, there is a difference between an outright attack and a comical joke on the conversation.

On the surface of it Krim and Pat seem to be attacking Nano, at least to begin with it may have looked that way, but I think they are genuinely trying to help her. Some of the earlier stuff they said might have been a bit harsh but guys on here have done just the same to me here in the past, you included Jay. I never got angry or upset, I just pushed on with it and considered what people had to say about me and my situation.

I don't really know how Nano is feeling viewing the stuff Krim and Pat say. I think the main thing is to look at the underlying message they are trying to tell her. There is no doubt a reason Nano isn't getting what she wants and there is no point here doing the same thing over & over again.

Krim & Pat are trying to identify the mistakes Nano is making and in that I think they are making progress. I am trying to help out in any way I can in as sensitive way as I can without losing the point.

Jay you can't surely mean that you think Nano should go in dictating to men that they 'do this or there is no relationship' as a winning way with men? I have only known that to scare them away. After all what if it ends up 'you give me all your wealth or we're over'. Most men see that they might as well stop agreeing before it gets anywhere near that stage.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2019, 05:34:04 PM
Chill man it was just a joke, I'm sure Nano saw the funny side ;)

Besides I am seriously trying to help her out here. Some not bad stuff in the above comments I make I think. I'm not out to bash Nano, I just think she isn't coming across in the right way to them. Having met similar issues with some of the women I've come across its something I've had a bit of experience in dealing with, not necessarily successfully of course but the learning is there.

I've made at least a hundred FSUW laugh out loud. I've had them
complain that their cheeks hurt from smiling and laughing. There
wasn't a funny side.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2019, 05:35:34 PM
A joke?
From you the social misfit !

Thanks Jay

I hate being the only one willing to be the bad guy.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 05:37:56 PM
I'm not attacking Nano, there is a difference between an outright attack and a comical joke on the conversation.

On the surface of it Krim and Pat seem to be attacking Nano, at least to begin with it may have looked that way, but I think they are genuinely trying to help her. Some of the earlier stuff they said might have been a bit harsh but guys on here have done just the same to me here in the past, you included Jay. I never got angry or upset, I just pushed on with it and considered what people had to say about me and my situation.

I don't really know how Nano is feeling viewing the stuff Krim and Pat say. I think the main thing is to look at the underlying message they are trying to tell her. There is no doubt a reason Nano isn't getting what she wants and there is no point here doing the same thing over & over again.

Krim & Pat are trying to identify the mistakes Nano is making and in that I think they are making progress. I am trying to help out in any way I can in as sensitive way as I can without losing the point.

Jay you can't surely mean that you think Nano should go in dictating to men that they 'do this or there is no relationship' as a winning way with men? I have only known that to scare them away. After all what if it ends up 'you give me all your wealth or we're over'. Most men see that they might as well stop agreeing before it gets anywhere near that stage.

They are not trying to genuinely help her.  I don't think Nano ever posted a man must do X or Y, just what she is encountering in online communication, where it appears most of the men responding to her are insincere.

Nano hasn't posted her photo here.  Virtually every photo I have seen here of an FSUW, posted by a man who stated she is stunning, is a woman who is "average" by FSU standards. 

There was a woman who used to post here, and met her husband on this forum.  He wasn't even looking for a wife, just information on the FSU.  She was over 45 and overweight.  IIRC, a siginficant number of male posters here told her that her search was hopeless because of her age and her weight.  Yet, she's now been married to her husband for around a decade.

There are a few RW who posted here over the years as well who married WM after age 45, and none of them were beauties.

Different men want different things.  And women want different things as well.  So telling a woman she should change X or Y is useless.  It conforms to what appeals to that particular man.

Having said the above, I don't think Nano will find a man on this forum, if that's her goal (I doubt it is). 

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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 05:44:00 PM
They are not trying to genuinely help her.  I don't think Nano ever posted a man must do X or Y, just what she is encountering in online communication, where it appears most of the men responding to her are insincere.

Nano hasn't posted her photo here.  Virtually every photo I have seen here of an FSUW, posted by a man who stated she is stunning, is a woman who is "average" by FSU standards. 

There was a woman who used to post here, and met her husband on this forum.  He wasn't even looking for a wife, just information on the FSU.  She was 45 and overweight.  They have been married around 10 years now, I believe.

There are a few RW who posted here over the years as well who married WM after age 45, and none of them were beauties.

Different men want different things.  And women want different things as well.  So telling a woman she should change X or Y is useless.  It conforms to what appeals to that particular man.

Having said the above, I don't think Nano will find a man on this forum, if that's her goal. 

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Then where do you think she is going wrong with her online dating Boe? She isn't getting the guys she wants and yet other women are?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 05:44:41 PM
Are they?  Did she post that?  Or is it your assumption?


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
Are they?  Did she post that?  Or is it your assumption?


This post was composed without the aid of google.

It plain and clear to all that Nano  is having real problems or she wouldn't have started this thread. Extremely few FSW even know this forum exists yet Nano found her way here as she wasn't turning up what she wanted and wanted to know what the problem is.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 06:05:35 PM
She didn't start this thread.  Bill did.


It's that attention to detail that will ensure your success, Trench. /s


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 06:14:35 PM
She didn't start this thread.  Bill did.


It's that attention to detail that will ensure your success, Trench. /s


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Maybe I just know more than you do.

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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 06:23:28 PM
Highly unlikely.

Aha! I've copied this to a new topic called Nano's thread here along with a few suggestions


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24019.new#new (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24019.new#new)


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 06:28:34 PM
lots of people win the lottery BO, there are winners EVERY DAY!!!
I don't play however, because I understand the odds
and that there are MANY more losers than winners out there
but many people gamble with their life
and lose the same way

but a smart guy like me knows the difference between a winner and a loser

if nano's "game" was working for her, she'd ALREADY have what she wants!
but it ain't working for the reason I said, because of how she behaves towards men...
so she can pin the blame on the "bad cats" all she wants
but nano is like a shiny diamond with a crack inside, an inclusion
that destroys the value of the diamond
nano's flaw is her anger and her selfishness
these emotions are always picked up on eventually even by the slowest witted fool


Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 06:32:47 PM
Or it could be that she is encountering the arsheholes who abound in "international" dating, specimens of which are evident on this very forum.



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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 06:35:03 PM
Highly unlikely.



This post was composed without the aid of google.


Be careful Boe you don't want to end up another Mobe ;D That guy is still mostly quietly still scoffing his way through all that humble pie!

Nano showed us a cartoon of two sealions that behind the screen are really monster like. I would suggest in most but perhaps not all of the guys Nano has had this occur that many of those guys were sweet sealions but by using an overbearing demeanor, or negative attitude towards them, even setting up fake profile she ended up repeatedly getting the same outcome. They turned out looking that way by how she was handling them. I've already said to her she should just try to get as many guys to visit just to see them in person. It seems apparent to me that she is just seeing guys behind a screen not seeing them at all in person. The question was asked how many has she seen, that question remains unanswered. No shame in that but she's here to make progress not hide the problem.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 06:44:41 PM
"Or it could be that she is encountering the arsheholes who abound in "international" dating, specimens of which are evident on this very forum."

could be...
could even be the absolute CORRECT WAY to respond to someone like her...
depends on your opinion and experiences in life...
I personally dated lots of women like nano in my youth
I know how to dispose of them properly now...
and I provided you with an example of such...
Russ Busting is not pretty, I'm sorry for the mess, but it's what I do

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
Nano showed us a cartoon of two sealions that behind the screen are really monster like. I would suggest in most but perhaps not all of the guys Nano has had this occur that many of those guys were sweet sealions but by using an overbearing demeanor, or negative attitude towards them, even setting up fake profile she ended up repeatedly getting the same outcome. They turned out looking that way by how she was handling them. I've already said to her she should just try to get as many guys to visit just to see them in person. It seems apparent to me that she is just seeing guys behind a screen not seeing them at all in person. The question was asked how many has she seen, that question remains unanswered. No shame in that but she's here to make progress not hide the problem.


Or perhaps she is demonstrating what most men she corresponds with prove to be, behind the initial demeanor.


Our daughter closed her Facebook account, partly because she was getting unsolicited messages from men, dick pics, etc.  She was not looking for a man.


It seems she is getting responses from keyboard romeos, and men too cheap or impecunious to travel to where she is.


No, krimster, that's only in your imagination. 


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 19, 2019, 07:14:39 PM
Or it could be that she is encountering the arsheholes who abound in "international" dating, specimens of which are evident on this very forum.



This post was composed without the aid of google.


 :applaud:
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 07:25:18 PM
we each receive the fate that we deserve...
all results are up to us and not to others...
the universe isn't fair, and neither am I

I see what I see and I have learned to stick by that
nano should not blame the chip on her shoulder on others...
and neither should you....
she's not entitled to any special treatment...
and I do not respect the attitude of ANY ONE who whines about how other people are to blame for the problems in their life
and not FREAKING THEMSELVES...

little girls should all just grow up a little and stop crying about how bed men are...
my OLDEST daughter IS ONLY 18 AND SHE ALREADY has figured out how to have men totally UNDER HER CONTROL...
and SHE LOVES MEN!!!  and all of the men she knows would die for her, myself included...
there's a big difference in what a woman like my daughter inspires in men and what nano inspires in men
and I can feel that difference all the way OVER HERE!!!!
don't blame the bad cats
her misfortune is not in others or in her stars
her misfortune is the same as all who have such misfortune
for the same reason that Shakespeare said, it's ALWAYS this way...
ALWAYS...
don't you see that...
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 19, 2019, 07:31:52 PM
we each receive the fate that we deserve...
all results are up to us and not to others...
the universe isn't fair, and neither am I


Really?  So the millions starved to death during the Holodomor, and the millions killed in gas chambers in the Holocaust deserved their fate?

Quote
I see what I see and I have learned to stick by that
nano should not blame the chip on her shoulder on others...
and neither should you....
she's not entitled to any special treatment...
and I do not respect the attitude of ANY ONE who whines about how other people are to blame for the problems in their life
and not FREAKING THEMSELVES...


I didn't see her blaming others, or demanding special treatment.  What I see is a few men deciding she had an attitude because she wasn't demure enough in her responses.


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 07:53:31 PM
"Really?  So the millions starved to death during the Holodomor, and the millions killed in gas chambers in the Holocaust deserved their fate?"

so during an argument about dating, you bring up a "yeah but what about the holodomor and holocaust" defense?
oy vey!
women are just too hormonal and emotional on certain subjects
too prickly...

but how could you understand what nano is BO, unless you dated women like nano
and I dated PLENTY of women like nano...

the story here BO is not why nano gets abused...
it's why she would expect to be treated any other way by men
because WE know the kind of woman she is...
pretty sure almost ALL guys have met and dumped women like her
but other than that...
you should just relax and calm down...
and ask yourself, "what if I'm right?"

"I didn't see her blaming others, or demaning special treatment. "

what?  that's what this conversation is ALL ABOUT, men are the bad ones...stop being bad to me you men, and behave how I want you to...
and we say B.S
you get what you get because of what YOU put out...
and if what you get back from what you put out doesn't match your hopes
it ain't somebody else's fault
it's your own...
but weak confused people are ALWAYS gonna blame someone else
because they think they themselves are perfect and they hide behind this defense
but I see nano clearly...


you may not have come here for the truth nano
but you got it anyway
what you do with it is up to you
right or wrong, this is how a lot men see you...
and will run...but you already know this...but this s the reason why they run





Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: jone on December 19, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Wow. 

I go away for three pages and the whole thread goes to hell.....

What I was going to say, and as a matter of encouragement, that I have seen women come on a forum and wind up with a guy she started talking to.   As Whynotme, above stated, she and her husband used to chat each night on another forum (which has since gone to where ever dead forums go to).  I know.  I was there, often, myself.

So, I would encourage the Op to continue to write on the forum.   Krimster is full of himself.  And the self he is full of is something that does not smell very good. 

So, from the members here,

Udachi!
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: JayH on December 19, 2019, 08:19:48 PM
Maybe I just know more than you do.

This post was composed with the aid of google.

The lamp post outside in your street is smarter than you ! :cluebat:
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 19, 2019, 08:28:14 PM
gawd Jones, I remember someone saying almost those same rough and woeful words to me in second grade....
gol-ly!, I guess I better be careful around someone so quick witted as you





Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 19, 2019, 08:30:33 PM
the story here BO is not why nano gets abused...
it's why she would expect to be treated any other way by men
because WE know the kind of woman she is...
pretty sure almost ALL guys have met and dumped women like her

Many years back now when I was in my late teens I worked in a Supermarket as a part time job while I was at Uni. There was this girl there working in the same department as me. She had not so long ago been dumped by her boyfriend so was single and available. She was pretty enough looking facially, a tad on the short side as a fair amount of women are, boobs fairly big but a little out of shape, smoked occasionally and around my age. So overall not too bad a prospect, I wasn't after her but I would have probably have dated her if it got to it, she seemed interested in me...

However one day I was finishing off in my department and she came over and 'told me' to just leave it. Now I'm the sort of guy that finishes what I'm engaged with. Anyway, she got a bit 'bossy' over it and that got my back up so I told her quite directly and firmly 'No'. At that she got narked and went off.

Surfice to say neither of us was probably interested in dating the other after that, especially me (and no I don't think she was desperate for a quickie there & then) She wanted to control me directly, if I had submitted then I would have just been her dog, more and more 'directives' would follow and I would just be living an existence of a zombie life - I knew that would be no life I would find tolerable short or long term it is just not a possibility to me or hardly any man.

Many other staff also subsequently I heard also commented on her bossy nature and not just the guys, some of the women also, also around a similar age found her difficult from time to time on that front, not all the time but it was there.

Anyway the above, particularly that in bold is what I would like Nano to understand. 'If' she is in anyway like the girl in the example here nearly all if not all guys will run a mile, time and time again, local or foreigner.

I say this to help her understand her problem 'if' it is this so she can do better if she learns that the above behaviour is what any woman should not do.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: jone on December 19, 2019, 08:49:48 PM
gawd Jones, I remember someone saying almost those same rough and woeful words to me in second grade....
gol-ly!, I guess I better be careful around someone so quick witted as you

You're absolutely right.  I was speaking to a second grader.  No finesse.  No thoughtful remarks.  And mostly vile responses.  Time for you to grow up.
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2019, 11:18:45 PM
She didn't start this thread.  Bill did.

Yes, I started this thread.

My hope was that she could have a place to tell about her
side of things as a woman who is seeking happiness. Men
might possibly learn a bit along the way. I see that is very
unlikely now.

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 19, 2019, 11:34:10 PM
Yes, I started this thread.

My hope was that she could have a place to tell about her
side of things as a woman who is seeking happiness. Men
might possibly learn a bit along the way. I see that is very
unlikely now.

Let's hope Nano is waiting for the testosterone levels to settle..;)

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 20, 2019, 05:06:11 AM
It's started like this from Nano :Introductions and Ice-Breaker (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=41.0) / Searching from Russia for international dating (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22250.msg470721#msg470721) « on: November 02, 2017, 07:25:29 AM »   I am seraching from Russia for international dating. Maybe this forum can help me more understand man's side point of view and crosscultures tradition. I just in seach for now.
 
 Two years after did she make some progress? VOPROC QUESTION
 
1/ In 2011 i met a lady i really liked and stopped asap not only to meet other women but also get back in France. Several well known members told me to not do such things and continue to date.
I didn't LISTEN them and this story was a failure.   
 
2/ IN 2019, recently, a lady i was meeting was aiming a travel for an other man in Italy. I started to be mad and write stupid things. Some members (don't remember who exactly) told me to hold my horses.  I thank them again.
I LISTENED them and so now we meet in 14 days. It could lead to a long term relationship, maybe.

3/ My female friend of 57 had never had a problem to date men (twice married) and she has never cared about what men could think or do, because she was enough pretty to get a large court of available men. But now age matters her look and less men are answering, additionnaly she has personal jealous type problem in relationship.
Result : two months of relationship i know her in two years and depression just after the breakup.Why she so blindly damned likes me and trusts me so she can give me her son or keys of her house or ask me to write to the guy she is mad of a letter to come back in desesperation?
WHY? Because i tell her the truth. And no the BS that her other female friends are giving to her usually. 
 
Examples of the real life:
SHE : i really like this man but he is not serious he continues to date other women. 
Women traditionnal BS : men are all cheaters, many are not serious and serial dater  Summary : drop him
Pat : What happened with him? Have you kissed or had sex?
SHE : no not yet i don't go to a bed like this with a man.
Pat : so why would you like him to only see you?
SHE : I don't know, but me if I am interested in a man I want to see him only him
Pat : So nothing has yet happened and you already want him to exclusively date you?
Pat : many men and many women don't work like you (she is a practicing Catholic)
SHE : her jab falls on the floor
 
Or

She : Guy is not serious he is not free saturday
Pat : ask him an other day
She : he is not free sunday because of his son and i am not free next week end. 
Pat : try to meet him wednesday or tuesday.   
She : no only saturday on sunday
Pat :  WTF?                 
She : married men are not free saturday sunday 
Pat : so your strategy to avoid married men is to date men only during the week end
She : Yes
Pat : that's smart, but what you do from monday to friday, you watch TV and cut your nails? So you cut off your dating life of 5/7 that means 71% of your time, not so bad if you are a TV addict?
She : looking her feet puzzled.

So now, what's the difference between before and today?
She LISTENS, she mets a shrink regulary and she said, something that I have never heard before from her "Nice men of my age have choice". So now she starts to take in account a new reality. 
I am happy for her, she is more peaceful

4/ I met four buddies i know for 20 years. Last time was 5 years ago. I was in shock.
Two had been in burnout and got alcoholic.
The first one went twice 5 weeks in a specialized hospital and get out of this shit.
The second has lost his marriage, his driving licence, part of his business and irreversible damages on his health and still he is an alcooholic. 

So what is the difference between those two men? 
 
The first one acted in total humility, understood that he was at the same level than the many alcoholics that he met in hospital even if he was earning more generally and having a better education and better social chances. He followed everything the medical staff told him to do.

The second one believes that he controls the situation, but alcoohol just controls him in fact.
 
HUMILITY and LISTENING
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 20, 2019, 06:20:40 AM
"I see that is very
unlikely now. "

it was unlikely from the very beginning...
she's a female equivalent of the clueless guys posting on here...
blaming EVERYONE but HERSELF for her problems
why does that give her privilege...

if she wants to try and speak, she's just as free as the rest of us to speak...
or not...totally up to her...

it's good for guys to be able to recognize the nanos
so when they encounter one, they can DO WHAT EVEY MAN WHO HAS EVER MET NANO HAS DONE
RUN AWAY ASAP!!!!




since my perception of nano seemed to resonate with others...
and to some degree "perception is reality"
if I were nano, I'd be asking myself, is this perception part of her problem?
and she has no real game...and doesn't really even know how to play
so instead she whines about her frustration without trying to identify its cause.
but the main point, blaming HER failure on others is total BS...
the world is what it is, it is up to each of us to find a way to connect to the world
failure to connect is due to your problem, not the world's....
seriously, when you encounter a nano - run for the door!!!

and I thank nano for posting here, so guys can see "her type"
unless nano made major changes in her behavior and attitude towards men
she will just keep repeating her failure
with the possible exception, that one day she by luck finds a stupid donkey
and he lets her put a halter on him...
it happens...there are a LOT of stupid donkeys out there heeee hawwww y'all!!!



Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 08:28:23 AM
It's started like this from Nano :Introductions and Ice-Breaker (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=41.0) / Searching from Russia for international dating (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22250.msg470721#msg470721) « on: November 02, 2017, 07:25:29 AM »   I am seraching from Russia for international dating. Maybe this forum can help me more understand man's side point of view and crosscultures tradition. I just in seach for now.
 
 Two years after did she make some progress? VOPROC QUESTION
 
1/ In 2011 i met a lady i really liked and stopped asap not only to meet other women but also get back in France. Several well known members told me to not do such things and continue to date.
I didn't LISTEN them and this story was a failure.   
 
2/ IN 2019, recently, a lady i was meeting was aiming a travel for an other man in Italy. I started to be mad and write stupid things. Some members (don't remember who exactly) told me to hold my horses.  I thank them again.
I LISTENED them and so now we meet in 14 days. It could lead to a long term relationship, maybe.

3/ My female friend of 57 had never had a problem to date men (twice married) and she has never cared about what men could think or do, because she was enough pretty to get a large court of available men. But now age matters her look and less men are answering, additionnaly she has personal jealous type problem in relationship.
Result : two months of relationship i know her in two years and depression just after the breakup.Why she so blindly damned likes me and trusts me so she can give me her son or keys of her house or ask me to write to the guy she is mad of a letter to come back in desesperation?
WHY? Because i tell her the truth. And no the BS that her other female friends are giving to her usually. 
 
Examples of the real life:
SHE : i really like this man but he is not serious he continues to date other women. 
Women traditionnal BS : men are all cheaters, many are not serious and serial dater  Summary : drop him
Pat : What happened with him? Have you kissed or had sex?
SHE : no not yet i don't go to a bed like this with a man.
Pat : so why would you like him to only see you?
SHE : I don't know, but me if I am interested in a man I want to see him only him
Pat : So nothing has yet happened and you already want him to exclusively date you?
Pat : many men and many women don't work like you (she is a practicing Catholic)
SHE : her jab falls on the floor
 
Or

She : Guy is not serious he is not free saturday
Pat : ask him an other day
She : he is not free sunday because of his son and i am not free next week end. 
Pat : try to meet him wednesday or tuesday.   
She : no only saturday on sunday
Pat :  WTF?                 
She : married men are not free saturday sunday 
Pat : so your strategy to avoid married men is to date men only during the week end
She : Yes
Pat : that's smart, but what you do from monday to friday, you watch TV and cut your nails? So you cut off your dating life of 5/7 that means 71% of your time, not so bad if you are a TV addict?
She : looking her feet puzzled.

So now, what's the difference between before and today?
She LISTENS, she mets a shrink regulary and she said, something that I have never heard before from her "Nice men of my age have choice". So now she starts to take in account a new reality. 
 
HUMILITY and LISTENING

That's a great post Pat :)

I've come across it too several times with women in Ukraine, Russia, etc where they have some built in idea they have gained how things should be done. Some won't accept that it could be done another way, some don't even explain to the guy why it should be done the way they think it should be done - they don't even see that the guy is completely baffled why this perculiarity has come about why something must only be done a certain way, it's just bizarre to him why this road block has now suddenly come along in the relationship. This can then lead to arguments when the woman refuses to back down and gets annoyed at the guy not bending to what he sees as a strange illogical demand from the woman.

The best way of dealing with this seems to be like you have done in the above example in using logic Pat. Even then as you show it can sometimes take a lot more to overcome the problem, professional help is needed.

In the example above I would wager that even if the guy agreed to what the woman wanted it probably would not solve the problem long term. Of they got into a relationship living together, married, the woman would doubtless forbid the guy to leave the house without her at weekends - she would think he was one of those guys playing away if he did, lol. Hence any business a guy might need to conduct at weekends would cease and he may lose a lot of money or even failure of his business.

It goes to show why women that act in this manner fail, a lot of the time they only accept a course of action that a guy cannot possibly accept even if he wanted to.


The first part also proved what I was saying to Boethius, I'm getting some humble pie out now to pop in the oven for her ;D
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 08:44:47 AM
"I see that is very
unlikely now. "

it was unlikely from the very beginning...
she's a female equivalent of the clueless guys posting on here...
blaming EVERYONE but HERSELF for her problems
why does that give her privilege...

if she wants to try and speak, she's just as free as the rest of us to speak...
or not...totally up to her...

it's good for guys to be able to recognize the nanos
so when they encounter one, they can DO WHAT EVEY MAN WHO HAS EVER MET NANO HAS DONE
RUN AWAY ASAP!!!!




since my perception of nano seemed to resonate with others...
and to some degree "perception is reality"
if I were nano, I'd be asking myself, is this perception part of her problem?
and she has no real game...and doesn't really even know how to play
so instead she whines about her frustration without trying to identify its cause.
but the main point, blaming HER failure on others is total BS...
the world is what it is, it is up to each of us to find a way to connect to the world
failure to connect is due to your problem, not the world's....
seriously, when you encounter a nano - run for the door!!!

and I thank nano for posting here, so guys can see "her type"
unless nano made major changes in her behavior and attitude towards men
she will just keep repeating her failure
with the possible exception, that one day she by luck finds a stupid donkey
and he lets her put a halter on him...
it happens...there are a LOT of stupid donkeys out there heeee hawwww y'all!!!

Another great post from you too Krim :)

Bill is right in that he thought guys on here could learn from Nano, I certainly am. Bill himself tells us to never try and fix a woman that is not right just to move on. I can see why now as the time and effort it takes and there is no guarantee of success. A woman may have multiple problems and/or may turn out to be impossible to fix with much time wasted and heartache.

I wondered in the past why Kherson girl acted arbitrary in the situation that ended it all and I guess now I know why. Nano is acting in a similar arbitrary manner and watching the guys go running each time and marking them all as time wasters rather than realise it is being arbitrary that is doing it. I have come across other women that act in an arbitrary manner whilst messaging them and it is most bizarre to deal with them. It's a kind of 'you accept this, that is that' and I don't think they see how difficult it is for a guy to accept such behaviour, they seem to think it as perfectly reasonable.

It certainly helps to explain that phenomena which I was very curious about. I said a while back that if we could understand why a lot of FSU International Dating relationships end up failing then potentially a lot more happiness could be found. There is a common pattern of guys going abroad, dating a girl, getting on real well at first only for it to mysteriously and rapidly fall apart after only a short while, I think now we know why this happens!
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 09:10:55 AM
I'm guessing s lot of reason why we get the Nano's when dating in the FSU is probably down to the situation that developed when they were dating local men. The local men out there have a lot more choice than we do here in the west and many quite naturally play the field. So FSW know that they can't trust local men so some gain this mentality of 'this means that' with local guys and hence tell them 'you do it this way or that's it' type of conversation, at which point most guys run - they have a choice so don't need it. The Nano then believes that all of them are cheats even the honest ones who just didn't or couldn't live in a world dictated to them in that manner.

These FSW then repeat the same mistake when dating western men not realising that though there are cheats there that more guys are potentially straight up.

I'm guessing the successful woman locally in the FSW just accepts it's all part of the game and keeps trying out guys till she finds a decent one or as we often hear just puts up with him playing around and hope he stays with her, particularly if she has a child.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Gator on December 20, 2019, 09:25:27 AM

I didn't see her blaming others, or demanding special treatment.  What I see is a few men deciding she had an attitude because she wasn't demure enough in her responses.


I concur with Bo's observation.   

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Gator on December 20, 2019, 09:33:11 AM
Nano, if you are still reading:



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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 20, 2019, 11:20:37 AM
I'm guessing s lot of reason why we get the Nano's when dating in the FSU is probably down to the situation that developed when they were dating local men. The local men out there have a lot more choice than we do here in the west and many quite naturally play the field. So FSW know that they can't trust local men so some gain this mentality of 'this means that' with local guys and hence tell them 'you do it this way or that's it' type of conversation, at which point most guys run - they have a choice so don't need it. The Nano then believes that all of them are cheats even the honest ones who just didn't or couldn't live in a world dictated to them in that manner.

These FSW then repeat the same mistake when dating western men not realising that though there are cheats there that more guys are potentially straight up.

I'm guessing the successful woman locally in the FSW just accepts it's all part of the game and keeps trying out guys till she finds a decent one or as we often hear just puts up with him playing around and hope he stays with her, particularly if she has a child.


I nominate this for stupidest post of the year.  Given the competition, that's saying something.


You don't understand FSU culture, Trench.  You don't understand FSUM.  So stop pontificating on matters by pulling "theories" out of your rear end.


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Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 20, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
I nominate this for stupidist post of the year.

Boe,

While his post has merit for the stupidest post.
He makes all sorts of incorrect assumptions and then
even more incorrect conclusions.

I would submit his posts regarding the financial resources needed
to pursuing a woman from the FSU AND making babies with them
are worse in my opinion. He is actively planning on staying poor,
not improving his situation AND expecting an FSUW to approve,
buy into this plan and the associated theories that go along
with it.

I haven't checked on the date of his
"Move to Ukrainia and live in a cardboard box" thread.

Maybe those posts would have to be nominated for 2018 or earlier.

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 20, 2019, 12:04:33 PM
HAHA.  Typo corrected.  I shouldn't talk and have my fingers flying at the same time.


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 12:29:09 PM

I nominate this for stupidest post of the year.  Given the competition, that's saying something.


You don't understand FSU culture, Trench.  You don't understand FSUM.  So stop pontificating on matters by pulling "theories" out of your rear end.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I don't really care if you don't think I know FSU culture, etc. I don't really care if you don't agree with what I have put. You have been wrong a lot in the past in what you have said. I think you are a person who is out of touch in general Boe.

Either Krim or Pat separately have a lot more dating experience than you. Together they have an avalanche proportion of dating experience. They are not some woman who sits around and has it come to them and wait patiently for the Mr Right Guy to pop up. Then spouts off that she knows this and that on any given subject and that is that.

I've no doubt that even I am more with it than you are. I've at least suffered from the rough end of it, whereas you just patiently sat there and wait for some guy.

I am totally content with what I say is right here. I don't really care if you don't think it is correct as I am happy with the solidness of what I am saying. Disagree as you please but my point stands.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 20, 2019, 12:41:12 PM
I have spent more time in the FSU in the past 2 years than have you.  I know countless FSUM, most, but not all, married, and most of them married once. 

The vast majority of those men are faithful, support their wives and children, and want nothing more than a normal family life.  So, I know you are wrong on the characterization of FSUM.

krimster dated at a time when most everyone wanted to escape the FSU, and the West was seen as a golden place.  There is a lot more information now, including those who have returned to the FSU, who say that life is life no matter where you are.

Any "roughness" you've experienced is down to your own personality and your personal issues, not the dating world.  It's why you have failed in the West.  Your "advice" to Nano is useless, and she should be warned of this.

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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
I have spent more time in the FSU in the past 2 years than have you.  I know countless FSUM, most, but not all, married, and most of them married once. 

The vast majority of those men are faithful, support their wives and children, and want nothing more than a normal family life.  So, I know you are wrong on the characterization of FSUM.

krimster dated at a time when most everyone wanted to escape the FSU, and the West was seen as a golden place.  There is a lot more information now, including those who have returned to the FSU, who say that life is life no matter where you are.

Any "roughness" you've experienced is down to your own personality and your personal issues, not the dating world.  It's why you have failed in the West, and your "advice" to Nano is useless, and she should be warned of this.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

A person who is blinkered such as yourself it wouldn't matter where they are, they won't notice what is going on around them. I'm not talking about the sedate life of your well to do relatives & friends in the FSU. I'm talking about the more frisky end of it all. Yes I'm sure there are those that live a life without cheating and of course life can be life wherever.

None of what you say makes anything I have said to Nano invalid. She is 48 apparently and still single, she is not doing well on the dating scene that is evident regardless of us arguing over the specifics. I'm happy in the advice I have given her, she probably won't take it, she will doubtless find your advice more comforting but ultimately it will do her no good as it will be the wrong advice. Pat sees the issue, Krim does and so do I, I'm not being horrible to Nano, things happen to a person in life but she needs to look at how she treats guys and realise it's why guys are reacting the way they do.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 20, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
I am not blinkered.  I just think that you are the last person on this forum who should be giving anyone dating advice, given your history.


krimster can't even recognize that he wasn't picking up women in Shevchenko Park; They were picking him up.


Other men with far more dating experience than you have also disagreed with the advice you, krimster, and Pat have given Nano.  Furthermore, as I pointed out, there are FSUW posting here, or who posted in the past, who married WM after age 45. 


I think taking advice from someone who has been unsuccessful, but continues to do the same unsuccessful things over and over again, is not a recipe for success.


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: pitbull on December 20, 2019, 01:21:55 PM

I nominate this for stupidest post of the year.  Given the competition, that's saying something.


You don't understand FSU culture, Trench.  You don't understand FSUM.  So stop pontificating on matters by pulling "theories" out of your rear end.


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Forget FSU culture, FSUW or FSUW - Trench does not understand human culture at all. He is like an extraterrestrial form of life trying to study the mystical human race. I have met my share of aspies but Trench is uniquely socially and emotionally handicapped.  :( :(
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 20, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
you want to know what I see

I see a woman who lives by herself in a rundown gray apartment building
who has few friends...
and who is about 12 years away from being pensioned out, and getting a pension of about $200 per month, which is enough for 2 cans of cat food per week, but not the expensive kind...
UNLESS...
she can find a western meal ticket!!!!

here is the problem though...
In today’s tough competitive global market, nano’s demographic is going to be guys MUCH older than her, guys in their 60s who are at the low end of the economic and education ladder...
guys who have either just retired and are collecting social security and a small pension (hopefully!) or are with 2-3 years of doing so...
these guys will likely be the biggest idiots you could ever imagine and nano is just TOTALLY repelled by them...
and that adds fuel to the “chip on her shoulder”....
which is only part of nano’s problem...

it’s not what you should’ve learned nano...
by the time you are 21 at the latest, you should know how to flatter and manipulate and control men
and get them to do whatever you want...
both my wife and oldest daughter are MASTERS of this!!!!

I watched my daughter get pulled over for speeding, and when the cop approached her car window, I could see how angry he was....
within 60 seconds, he was smiling at her and he closed the ticket book, and talked to her for 5 minutes about safe driving while she was teasing and flirting with him the whole time....
I was amused...
my daughter has ZERO problems with men of any kind, we all do whatever she wants...
and she’s figured out how to do this at age 18...
she has NO ANGER, NO RESENTMENT...
all men adore her, and she loves the very idea of men, real men...


chivo?
sure I know about the park, especially on salsa night
but I picked up girls in the library at “Taras”...
which was a tremendous place for that
and then head out to the nearby cafe down the street in the front...
smooth as butter...
louis vuitton made me stand out
as well as my exotic, non slavic facial features and 6'4" height
this caused me to be noticed right away by ALL the women...
all I had to do was pretend to need help with something while standing next to some women, and one would rush over offering to help...

within 3 minutes she’d agree to accompany me to get a coffee as my reward for her help!!!!

rest was freakin easy peasy...
and I gave all these sweet young women a sexual experience none of them ever had before...
highly climactic, especially the way I do it...
the secret is, "counter rotation".... hmmmm hmmmmm, drives 'em crazy!!!



Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 20, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Women of more than 45 could success,
However those who came here didn't explain how they succeed nor they gave some specific advices to Nano.
The statistical distribution is less favorable for women of such age, with an average looking and so on. 

Things started to block when she assimilated any men doing a VM to some sex tourist. 2taBill in the past heavily suffered from such over simplification.
Since then, nothing has moved on two years after her first post, except her bitterness that is clearly noticeable in  Reply #21 on: December 09, 2019, 03:45:17 PM

We would like to have more informations, and some people asked but no return, generally speaking when someone don't answer that smells bad.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
I am not blinkered.  I just think that you are the last person on this forum who should be giving anyone dating advice, given your history.


krimster can't even recognize that he wasn't picking up women in Shevchenko Park; They were picking him up.


Other men with far more dating experience than you have also disagreed with the advice you, krimster, and Pat have given Nano.  Furthermore, as I pointed out, there are FSUW posting here, or who posted in the past, who married WM after age 45. 


I think taking advice from someone who has been unsuccessful, but continues to do the same unsuccessful things over and over again, is not a recipe for success.


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I'm sure someone with Krimster's talents and quite probably looks it may have well been the case that they were picking him up. He may well have also been there at a time where there was maximum leverage because of the economy. Times are uncertain out there now and they have had the economy in better shape. Still Krimster has had much experience after he was picked up if we see it that way. He still had stuff come up in the relationships he was in short or long term.

With a situation as stark as Nano's many of us can see the problem as it is so stark. Doesn't matter if it's a successful or unsuccessful guy the problem is apparent because it now stands out so much from what she had put. Often it's the person themselves that has the most trouble seeing what their own problem is not those viewing them.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 02:54:25 PM
Forget FSU culture, FSUW or FSUW - Trench does not understand human culture at all. He is like an extraterrestrial form of life trying to study the mystical human race. I have met my share of aspies but Trench is uniquely socially and emotionally handicapped.  :( :(

Yeah and your profile name just says it all.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: JayH on December 20, 2019, 03:58:06 PM
There is an issue I touched on in earlier post in the thread --  Nano   sound to me like she is in the category many men who come to the forum ( & online) should be looking at.
Many ( most?)  men start out with very unrealistic ideas on a potential match -- and fail to look at themselves,their life,their lifestyle and what they actually have to offer as a potential mate.
All too often -- guys have a superiority complex because they think they have an economic advantage ( eg "better " housing)  and seem to think that makes them a desirable "catch".
Over the years --on the forum many have come and gone after making a few posts -- I always like to know more about them before making any assessment -- the fact is MOST stop posting when any examination is made of them.
The reality is that most online are not going to be suitable FULL STOP
What is certain -- only a tiny %  are going to make a 20 plus year age gap  work.
So do the arithmetic -- that puts a 48 yo fsuw in the frontline of reality.

Not wishing to sound to contradict everything I wrote above but -- my Ukrainian ex's mother ( who was younger than me)is a very very good looking woman and  looked more like her not much older sister and could have passed for being 35 yo .My overall view-- there are many very nice looking women circa 50 ish in the fsu. So if looks are the starting point and only criteria -- age per se should not matter if you are genuinely looking.  :)



Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 20, 2019, 06:15:00 PM
It shouldn't matter, but it does, because most men are superficial.

Here is the difference between FSUM and WM.

Because of the "shortage" of men (wars, and from the mid 1970's, alcohol abuse, so now really restricted, for the most part, to men over 35 or 40), FSUM have more choice.  But that choice is not when they first marry, which was in their early twenties and has now increased, on average, to age 27.   It appears later, when their "competitors" have started drinking themselves to death, and that married FSUM is unhappy in his marriage. 

FSUW are expected to cook, to clean, to shop, to care for children; In essence, they are expected to complete all "traditional" female roles.  If a woman is not doing this, men there, because they have more choice, are apt to say "To hell with you." and go looking for a new partner.  It's not that FSUM are all rounders, dumping their wives for variety, or for a younger model.  It is usually because the woman they have chosen is not fulfilling the societal expectation of what a woman is expected to do, and at a certain age, FSUM have an advantage.


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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: rwd123 on December 20, 2019, 06:30:34 PM
It is usually because the woman they have chosen is not fulfilling the societal expectation of what a woman is expected to do, and at a certain age, FSUM have an advantage.
I tend to say, as men generally covet youth/beauty and women money/power:

At 20, women have all the power; they are youthful and men have little money.
At 30, it is relatively balanced as women are still youthful (and fertile) while men have greater earning power.
At 40, men are near peak earning capacity (gained social status) and women are no longer youthful - at least not comparable with a 30yo.

Because of social/societal factors it's probably even more of a swing in the FSU.

Nano has a legitimate complaint about the quality of men she converses with (online). However, at the same time men are fleeced through dating sites, agencies, etc. Those are the dynamics of the game. But if you play in the pond, don't complain if you get mud on you.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 20, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
Theoretically Jay had a good point in that some of the men who come to this forum or who engage in FSU should be looking at the Nano's, many even. They are not very likely to get stung that way by dating some young pretty girl that might see them as some sort of joke.

That said many of these guys have probably already passed over the Nano's in there own country over the years, I know I have, so they are unlikely to go for the Nano's abroad. If a girl doesn't do it for you and you find her unacceptable then whatever your own situation she is unacceptable.

Maybe if such a woman changed her attitude, kept herself trim, etc she might then be acceptable to some of these guys. Of course natural chemistry will only be with so many but then there is the competition.

Then there is the situation of what someone is looking for. Some guys want kids but if they can't have kids with a woman maybe they might just want an unmarried companion? A guy may not want to sacrifice potential freedoms for a marriage without children. Bearing in mind some marriages can end real bad, the couple constantly arguing and ending up loathing each other.

I know Nano has previously said a while back that she was looking to be a kept woman and has expectations in this regard. So quite a burden on the guy to deliver. I'm not sure though that many men would be up for this deal, a much older guy might but guys around her age or younger might want to have kids and without kids in the offing it might be too high a price for them to wish to pay.

What I'm suggesting is maybe Nano might do better in a more looser relationship of companionship with each having their own life but still seeing each other, ie dating but with marriage not on the table. The guy flies in here or there or whatever, a bit like SC & Mobe before they got married. The other option might be for Nano to drop her ideas of the guy paying to support her to live at home and not work but instead work at least part time or more to pay her way. I say this as I think few guys would want to take on a woman in her late forties and have the burden of supporting her, the dating equation is too lopsided for many men to want to do that, for a younger woman fine but there generally has to be good reason to do that in the western sense I feel.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 20, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
"It shouldn't matter, but it does, because most men are superficial."

really...
go to the supermarket and see how long the average Ukrainian woman will feel, examine, tap, etc, each melon to only get the best one..
if you do that for arbus
why not for a wife?
and get the best looking, firmest feeling one, if it works for getting the best arbus, surely it'll work for getting the best deavotchka...

"FSUW are expected to cook, to clean, to shop, to care for children"

AND...
I SAY AND...
provide eye candy and COMPLETE sexual gratification...
nude house cleaning, etc....
AND...
I SAY AND...
make me some god damned money as well...
THAT is what I expect from a Russian woman
AND...
I get 1000% more than I expect

the Russian women in my life will ALL do anything to please me....
because I freakin KNOW how to mange Russians better than even Russians know...
when I go out, I travel with a mini Russian harem
everyone just stops and gawks at the spectacle, scratching their head, trying to figure out which oil magnate I am...

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Hammer2722 on December 20, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
"It shouldn't matter, but it does, because most men are superficial."

really...
go to the supermarket and see how long the average Ukrainian woman will feel, examine, tap, etc, each melon to only get the best one..
if you do that for arbus
why not for a wife?
and get the best looking, firmest feeling one, if it works for getting the best arbus, surely it'll work for getting the best deavotchka...

"FSUW are expected to cook, to clean, to shop, to care for children"

AND...
I SAY AND...
provide eye candy and COMPLETE sexual gratification...
nude house cleaning, etc....
AND...
I SAY AND...
make me some god damned money as well...
THAT is what I expect from a Russian woman
AND...
I get 1000% more than I expect

the Russian women in my life will ALL do anything to please me....
because I freakin KNOW how to mange Russians better than even Russians know...
when I go out, I travel with a mini Russian harem
everyone just stops and gawks at the spectacle, scratching their head, trying to figure out which oil magnate I am...


A legend in his own mind..... :applaud:
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: jone on December 20, 2019, 08:07:35 PM
Have you ever noticed how Krimster's posts change in tone and fluency from early in the morning 'till night time.  His late in the day posts typically have some part that states how loved he is by Russian women and that they would do anything for him....... just sayin. 

Hope you drink lots of water in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 20, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
yeah, they do leave me a bit dehydrated...
but I keep a bottle of gatorade in my fridge for this purpose...
the electrolytes make it more effective than water...
but at my age, I've had to give up going a second round after chugging gatorade and Viagra
unless my wife and her girlfriend do something "special"

but you guys, it ain't bragging, if it's FACT...
horrosho...
it took a lot of work to get to where I am...
and even if you don't respect the man, respect the effort and the results...

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 20, 2019, 09:04:37 PM
Poor 'ol Jone,

Tries to suggest 'powers of observation' while proving elsewhere in the same 24 hour period that's defo not the case.

I mean whoever would suggest no one had ever used OK ( odnoklassniki) as a resource when seeking one's eventual wife.....?


Good 'ol Jone....always on the ball.....



Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: kynrazor on December 20, 2019, 09:40:59 PM
I tend to say, as men generally covet youth/beauty and women money/power:

At 20, women have all the power; they are youthful and men have little money.
At 30, it is relatively balanced as women are still youthful (and fertile) while men have greater earning power.
At 40, men are near peak earning capacity (gained social status) and women are no longer youthful - at least not comparable with a 30yo.

Because of social/societal factors it's probably even more of a swing in the FSU.

By any measures of the above, I would've certainly almost never stood a chance when I first started out as a 24 year-old on my journey to try to find my life companion, my wife-to-be in the FSU. I was mesmerised by certain pieces of Russian literature (eg. Tolstoy etc) and and its portrayal of amazingly strong, tough and loyal FSU women so much so that it made me wonder whether such a traditional woman still existed.  :-\

I faced multiple social stigmas. I don't think I was very fashionable in any sense. I didn't know the Russian language. I knew next to no one living in Russia. In order to be more pragmatic in my search, I made it a point to make sure that all my potential prospects would at least be able to carry themselves well in our online chat conversations in English. Otherwise it was an almost instant no for me.

I was willing to forego some women. There are 7 billion souls on the planet. Close to 400million in the U.S half of which are men/women, and close to 300million souls in the FSU almost half of which are men/women. I still liked my chances. I only needed one amongst ~150million.

It took me almost a year before I found her. In the process of searching for her, I think I've probably sifted through 1000s upon 1000s of profiles from various dating sites, conversed with close to 300 women, gotten rejected by women who told me I was too young, gotten my time wasted by almost 100 skilled "empathetic" women who eventually asked me for financial assistance to which I simply told them I'm not that type of person.

And after all that sorting, filtering, chatting, video calling and even singing with multiple women, I eventually only ended up with four profiles. Four prospective partners that I really felt such a strong connection towards that I really felt compelled to visit before eventually committing to one girl. ML once mentioned that only those who are crazy enough, end up travelling to such a foreign culture in their search for a future partner. Sometimes, I still think I was.  :cluebat:

It is by no means easy, but so is finding a job. I am under no illusions that my first trip to Russia could've ended up with nothing, in which case it would've been back to sifting profiles again.

I was and still am literally a broke-ass student, struggling to make every dollar count, with my stipends barely enough to cover rent and etc in University even as I struggled to have enough saved every few months just to hop on a plane to go visit my girl. At times, there were moments when I looked back at how long we've remained separated, and just shook my head at the degree of trust and commitment that's kept our relationship alive. She's probably bought more things for me than I've ever bought for her. She's given me her locket, figurines, a church cross, bought me a shirt, surprise tickets, etc for me and all I've ever really done is pay for the food and occasionally bought her roses.

Nano, if there are certain qualities, moral or other personal values that you feel you'll never be able to compromise for your potential partner, then my opinion is don't. You shouldn't need to.

I do not proclaim to be a "love guru", especially with my relatively short dating journey throughout Russia. However, I think I do have ideas as to how strong relationships are built and this is my theory:

We all want to feel cared for, deeply valued, loved. We all want to be somewhere familiar, somewhere safe. Only then, can trust develop, And only with trust, can love blossom. And for that to develop, we surely, need to possess and share the same values, beliefs. I.e Belonging to the same herd. And the more values you share, the stronger the relationship will be able to be built and the stronger it will stand the test of time.

Not all shall find their one and only, especially the first time. However, I strongly believe that if one looks hard and deep enough, eventually he/she will find his/her special someone, someone who they share the whole world with.

Hence I completely agree with Gator's view, even if it sounds a tad optimistic.

Nano, if you are still reading:

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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 21, 2019, 03:31:25 AM
Kyn you're a good catch for your girl and out in the FSU you're a good catch for many a girl - you're on the path to achieving a PhD at a young age and most importantly in a science type subject where it sounds at least that you could bring in big money in the near future as opposed to some interest subject, History, Sociology, etc where that would look a lot less certain.

Some women found you too young as they wanted a guy who was well of enough there and then. They weren't willing to wait the couple of years or so for you to earn your PhD and get big bucks, potentially. That could have been short sighted of them, however a girl in Uni has more time to wait than a girl where ever year added is starting to count against her.

Nano could possibly still find a guy if she starts doing stuff differently and makes some changes. However, she is generally well passed child bearing age as she is apparently 48, she is even passed the age where most of her peer group have got married and threted about doing so - generally up to 30 ish. What I'm saying is her chances are not nearly as good as yours. Theoretically you could have gone out and met a lot of women in the FSU (finances aside), if you aimed at the student girls then you would be romping home with a lot of them. There is a much larger pool of available good women to choose from in the FSU at that age, it's a turkey shoot for a guy with good prospects around the same age or slightly older. Nano by contrast is in the opposite situation, many a guy could see her as more of a burden than anything. These days with microwaves, many restaurants in the west with tasty meals at cheap prices and modern kitchen appliances the old stuff about the woman cooking etc while still having its place is not what it once was. Added to that it appears that Nano may not be helping herself, I get the impression she is a nice person in general but she seems to have a tendency to want to tell a guy what to do. That is not going to be appealing to any but the very weakest of men, if that and of course a lot of guys around her age that are still single tend to value their Independence.

I personally think that Nano should have made changes long ago but probably wasn't aware of her shortcomings. For some reason a lot of women can have 'the world comes to me why should I change for it' mentality and that is not helpful. Clinging to the time honoured notions that she has done in her life haven't served her well. That's why I suggest a her pursuing a looser relationship as a lot of guys aren't going to want to sign up to a marriage deal with her, not any with much money at least, even less than I have I feel. 
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 21, 2019, 08:28:14 AM
when I was a little boy...
I used to love to watch the squirrels and rabbits in my backyard...
I would endlessly draw pictures of them...
trying to copy their various poses...
I learned a lot about them through observation...

I started to give them peanuts...
and they would come each day to eat them and I would draw them...
then I got the idea of bringing the peanuts closer and closer...
so I could draw them from closer up...
eventually...
they would eat the peanuts from my hand and let me touch them...
this made me happy!  to be able to touch them this way, while others could not...

flash forward many years later...
it’s 1996 autumn in Kyiv...
I learned that if I go to bessarabsky on a saturday, there’s a part that has a lot of clothing kiosks
behind the kisoks they have a changing area that is nothing but a clothesline and some blankets hanging from it...
a woman is supposed to go and change behind the blankets....

BUT...
I found an angle that made the blanket hanging from the clothesline useless...
so while I was making a sport out of this, trying to beat my best top score of 7 tittie views
that I saw a pattern...

there were two types of young women shopping there!!!
well dressed ones, and women who looked like they were wearing their mothers “hand-me-downs”
the well dressed ones, usually bought something
but, the poorly dressed ones never did...

I knew with this observation, that I had found the peanut for a poor Ukrainian woman...
the next step was to figure out how to give to her!


BO
you should NEVER play poker!
you have an obvious “tell”  google if you don’t know what this means...

I’m not arguing over whether one life style has more validity over another...
I understand the nuclear family lifestyle...
but you’ve been living that since you were what 18 or so?
so ALL of my experiences are COMPLETELY outside of yours...
you would have no idea what it’s like for a guy to date a woman like nano...
OTOH, I’ve had the regretful experience of dating many like her...
men appreciate beauty and grace, like an orchid, and not a prickly cactus

I think nano's problem runs deeper than just the "chip on her shoulder"...
that chip, is just what I see on the surface through this VERY narrow filter...
but it hides something MUCH DEEPER...
and this deeper thing is what led to the creation of the chip based on her frustration, anger and resentment
right nano?

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: ML on December 21, 2019, 11:39:58 AM

Many ( most?)  men start out with very unrealistic ideas on a potential match -- and fail to look at themselves,their life,their lifestyle and what they actually have to offer as a potential mate.
All too often -- guys have a superiority complex because they think they have an economic advantage ( e.g. "better " housing)  and seem to think that makes them a desirable "catch".
The reality is that most online are not going to be suitable FULL STOP

Hey, it worked for me.

By the way . . . tomorrow is our 5th wedding anniversary.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: msmob on December 21, 2019, 02:10:24 PM


By the way . . . tomorrow is our 5th wedding anniversary.

Congrats ..

We've been married 10 days, nearly ... ;)
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 21, 2019, 02:48:36 PM

yo' newlyweds
20 yr and 2 month...
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Patagonie on December 22, 2019, 05:45:18 AM
Hey, it worked for me.

By the way . . . tomorrow is our 5th wedding anniversary.
Congrats ML
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 23, 2019, 11:39:50 AM
Looking back at the first page of this thread it looks like Nano likes to ask guys for gifts and admitted to love being after them. She seems to view this as even handed behaviour to whatever the guy gets out of the deal in a relationship. This indeed seems to be an interesting insight into how some FSW think and could help further explain the transactional girls who aren't scammers but seem to want stuff off a guy without it being worth the time & trouble they spend trying to date guys.

Now a lot of guys on the other side of the screen probably see Nano along the lines of a scammer since us western men are not accustomed to the way of thinking that Nano does about it. What are guys thoughts here about this behaviour?
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Boethius on December 23, 2019, 12:27:21 PM
Nano never posted that she is looking for gifts.  Her posts about gifts were tongue in cheek, a riposte to what was posted to her.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
Looking back at the first page of this thread it looks like Nano likes
to ask guys for gifts and admitted to love being after them.

Billy, in this very thread admitted to wanting $5K. In many other threads
ML and Myself have proclaimed the same thing. I asked for a Christmas
gift for my free advice earlier today.

Nano was joking AND I told you that in this thread. Please try to keep up
with the rest of the class before you start dispensing advice.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 23, 2019, 03:23:24 PM
Nobody restrict poor guys to come or just show his real attitude instead of endless communication... but I do not want lead endless communications without any understanding he really interesting in me... Why I should spend my time, attention and emotions fearing to ask nice gift (that I love (gifts):D) or asking when he real planning to come...

Seems pretty clear to me, can't see where the joke is?
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2019, 03:30:11 PM
Seems pretty clear to me, can't see where the joke is?



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Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 23, 2019, 04:34:08 PM


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Nice card Bill, but are you sure you aren't seeing a joke that is not really there?
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
Nice card Bill, but are you sure you aren't seeing a joke that is not really there?


Yes, I am sure. I wouldn't have said it twice and then rubbed your nose in
it with two attachments if I wasn't sure. I've talked to hundreds of Russian
women with mediocre English. It's a combination of joking/sarcasm that's 
very common in Russia. Boe vouched for her intent as well.

When I had a gf from Dnepropetrovsk, I we joked with her bringing her to
the US for 89 days and then shipping her back to Ukraine so that I wouldn't
have to marry her. With somebody else I always joked about my mistress. 
Another girl we joked about me being a sex tourist and YES that was after
my anti-date fiasco.

Sarcasm and humor go together like peas and carrots, Forest Gump reference.


Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: whynotme on December 23, 2019, 07:23:07 PM
As a retired scammer with great experience I can tell I never needed to ask for gifts :D . Opposite, I asked to stop sending flowers (no space for them in my apartments), candies (dentists are too expensive)... Mt first webcam was a gift. One dutch from ICQ (anybody remember ICQ?) decided that we had to see each other. He disappeared in 2 weeks of conversation, I couldn’t even thank him. There was a thread about phone... All my phones (4 or 5) were gifts  :devil:, a lot of my comp upgrades were done from gift parts...
May be 2tallbill can remember one canuck who invited me to watch F1 race in Shanghai long ago. I didn't ask him to send money for ticket, but he did. Ok, I'll buy tickets for the race than. I asked another guy (dutch) for advice about better sits. He told that  he'll buy it for me. Sorry, but I need 2 tickets.  :D I got a confirmation for 2 tickets in a minute.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with gifts. I like to get gifts, I like to make gifts myself. t’s not customary to go empty-handed in Russia.
What I can recommend for others? Don't listen a bad advice from 2tallbill (sorry,Bill  :P), otherwise your search will be longer than Moses's.
I personally did not look for anyone, I just lived my life, worked at my favorite job, raised my daughter, looked after my parents. The princes and their horses appeared on the horizon and disappeared, but real life went on. Everyone has their own paths to happiness.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: krimster2 on December 23, 2019, 10:20:30 PM
there! fixed that for you!
Title: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 24, 2019, 09:24:46 AM
2tallbill (sorry,Bill  :P),

Millala,

I remember your hair grows faster when tickets to visit you have been
purchased.  :P

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: kynrazor on December 24, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
Kyn you're a good catch for your girl and out in the FSU you're a good catch for many a girl - you're on the path to achieving a PhD at a young age and most importantly in a science type subject where it sounds at least that you could bring in big money in the near future as opposed to some interest subject, History, Sociology, etc where that would look a lot less certain.

Some women found you too young as they wanted a guy who was well of enough there and then. They weren't willing to wait the couple of years or so for you to earn your PhD and get big bucks, potentially. That could have been short sighted of them, however a girl in Uni has more time to wait than a girl where ever year added is starting to count against her.

Strange, I've never made any woman hot and bother by telling them I'm a grad student. My girl also never knew I was doing a PhD when she first committed herself to me and asked other men to stop messaging her. And last I checked, PhD prospects aren't too different from undergrad with respect to salary, save some consultancy work.


if you aimed at the student girls then you would be romping home with a lot of them. There is a much larger pool of available good women to choose from in the FSU at that age, it's a turkey shoot for a guy with good prospects around the same age or slightly older.

Anecdotally for me, 1000s upon 1000s of profiles for one, university students included. % would've been lower if I used vk with a spamming approach. I don't think the % chance matters so much now when you only need one. Lest you want a harem I guess.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: nano on December 25, 2019, 07:53:45 AM
As a retired scammer with great experience I can tell I never needed to ask for gifts :D . Opposite, I asked to stop sending flowers (no space for them in my apartments), candies (dentists are too expensive)... Mt first webcam was a gift. One dutch from ICQ (anybody remember ICQ?) decided that we had to see each other. He disappeared in 2 weeks of conversation, I couldn’t even thank him. There was a thread about phone... All my phones (4 or 5) were gifts  :devil:, a lot of my comp upgrades were done from gift parts...
Oh no, I am not so much honored scammer :P :D

kyn  congratulate, you bothe look very similar to each other :) good couples often looks similar, I think, and the other sometimes agree with it too :)

OTOH, I’ve had the regretful experience of dating many like her...
men appreciate beauty and grace, like an orchid, and not a prickly cactus
bla-bla-bla
But sometimes I thought the forum and my theme turn into balagan with so "great" men...
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: 2tallbill on December 25, 2019, 10:31:43 AM
Oh no, I am not so much honored scammer

with so "great" men...

I value your presence here. 

Whynotme is busy and only comes to the forum rarely. We only have a
few brave women who come here and put up with the peanut gallery
but most of those girls have gotten married and don't have time for
the nonsense here.




http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/peanut%20gallery

Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 25, 2019, 01:00:25 PM
Strange, I've never made any woman hot and bother by telling them I'm a grad student. My girl also never knew I was doing a PhD when she first committed herself to me and asked other men to stop messaging her. And last I checked, PhD prospects aren't too different from undergrad with respect to salary, save some consultancy work.

Anecdotally for me, 1000s upon 1000s of profiles for one, university students included. % would've been lower if I used vk with a spamming approach. I don't think the % chance matters so much now when you only need one. Lest you want a harem I guess.

It will vary depending on the woman but a guy who can get a good job with a PhD would have a lot of clout out in the FSU. Think of the career women in Moscow that you met, they pretty much told you that you would need to be in the career job to be off interest to them. Now that of course would be a turn off to me that type of woman, but the world you are getting into is the career world and so is your girl. BillyB has already allured to you needing to get the good job to keep up.

That said it all depends on the deal you are signing up to.

I'm saying while it's fine to enjoy this girl and maybe even get with her in the long term be aware that at your young age you are likely to have a lot more women in the FSU interested in you than you have done at home (the UK). Doesn't harm to really consider & look into the girl you are with and any other options that may be around out there for you.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: kynrazor on December 25, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
kyn  congratulate, you bothe look very similar to each other :) good couples often looks similar, I think, and the other sometimes agree with it too :)

Thanks. I hope for the best.

That said it all depends on the deal you are signing up to.

Very true to a certain degree.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: HoundDaddyLee on December 25, 2019, 04:20:36 PM
It will vary depending on the woman but a guy who can get a good job with a PhD would have a lot of clout out in the FSU. Think of the career women in Moscow that you met, they pretty much told you that you would need to be in the career job to be off interest to them. Now that of course would be a turn off to me that type of woman, but the world you are getting into is the career world and so is your girl. BillyB has already allured to you needing to get the good job to keep up.

That said it all depends on the deal you are signing up to.

I'm saying while it's fine to enjoy this girl and maybe even get with her in the long term be aware that at your young age you are likely to have a lot more women in the FSU interested in you than you have done at home (the UK). Doesn't harm to really consider & look into the girl you are with and any other options that may be around out there for you.
Trench,


Depending upon the field, a PhD without experience isn't any better than a lower degree. This is certainly the case in IT. If he is in a field where he is required to have a PhD (e.g. Therapist), he still won't make a 6 figure salary. Trench, stop giving advice. You suck at it.


HDL
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 25, 2019, 06:50:39 PM
Trench,


Depending upon the field, a PhD without experience isn't any better than a lower degree. This is certainly the case in IT. If he is in a field where he is required to have a PhD (e.g. Therapist), he still won't make a 6 figure salary. Trench, stop giving advice. You suck at it.


HDL

That may be true HDL but I get the impression that Kyn is in a particular area of Science where he could do well. He is also a research PhD student so it may be said that there is work experience involved in his course. Kyn will no doubt have s better idea of where he stands in terms of his after PhD employment prospects than I.

The point I'm trying to make is while Kyn that no's he has hit a home run with this girl does he really know that much about her? Up front she may well be a fair and fine prospect but how much does he really know about her?

I'm not talking about her background here or what she watches on TV and likes to eat, no I'm talking about what type of person is she, does she have aspects about her that might not be quite so positive. Has Kyn met any of her friends for example, does she have any? Is she good at socializing or is socially unskilled? Does she ever display any aspects of not great behaviour? may be another aspect.

What I'm saying is a lot of stuff can be concealed/not noticeable to a foreigner that can be obviously seen by a local. She might sound out fine but I'm saying it's best to sound her out now rather than only find stuff out after a marriage then have issues.
Title: Re: Nano's thread
Post by: ML on December 25, 2019, 08:32:33 PM
Trench,


Depending upon the field, a PhD without experience isn't any better than a lower degree. This is certainly the case in IT. If he is in a field where he is required to have a PhD (e.g. Therapist), he still won't make a 6 figure salary. Trench, stop giving advice. You suck at it.


HDL

Beginning salary for PhDs varies tremendously across the disciplines.
For instance, new PhDs in Accounting and Finance start at $170,000+ for 9 month contract at the flagship state universities (not even the very top ones).  Even those in Economics, Management and Marketing start at $140,000 at such schools.
PhDs in the social sciences start at $50-60,000 for 9 month contract.