Scamming as Family business - Belarus Minsk

[minsky]

Guys after few months it's time to drop few lines of updates. I'm referring to the situation involving Angelina Shevko (Ангелина Шевко) or Anhelina Shevko, discussed in other topics here in this Forum. In few words she is admittedly a prostitute and she is active as professional scammer in Belarus-Minsk. As I explained I've been dragged into a bailout situation by the family at beginning of August (see attach) to gave this girl a "new life" with a new school in Switzerland. After a nice vacation in Switzerland and in Italy and after havig asked a special Visa and paid the school she didn't come back from Belarus. Migrationsamt in Z�rich blacklisted her and at the end of November also the Swiss Embassy in Moscow contacted me to inform that they transmitted all the documents to Poland consulate which granted originally a Visa to her. We don't know with which outcome.

Recently I could find out one explicit written scamming done by this girl. She was asking me money via Western Union to refund a debt she had to renovate HER apartment. Now, I put here that chat...  Please note that after few months I discovered that she didn't own such apartment but it was a place where she and other whores active in the near Night Clubs were bringing the clients..  BTW I gave her the requested money the week after in cash...

24/03/2017,13:09:43,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,John
24/03/2017,13:09:47,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I need your help
24/03/2017,13:09:58,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Money
24/03/2017,13:10:11,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,(teary)
24/03/2017,13:10:29,I,+xxxx,Why?
24/03/2017,13:11:26,I,+xxxx,What's happening now?
24/03/2017,13:12:03,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I have a debt. Today is the last day of payment. Mom can not, and I do not want to ask her
24/03/2017,13:12:48,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I do not know anyone to ask yet.
24/03/2017,13:14:09,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I am understand
24/03/2017,13:14:18,I,+xxxx,Only cash is possible... but I did ask last time about this ...
24/03/2017,13:14:31,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I try to do something
24/03/2017,13:14:31,I,+xxxx,You told me it was ok..
24/03/2017,13:14:50,I,+xxxx,Debt with whom?
24/03/2017,13:16:51,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I did not want to ask. I thought that everything would turn out! Well nothing. I will try to do something
24/03/2017,13:17:33,I,+xxxx,If ok until the weekend you'll have cash
24/03/2017,13:18:44,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I need today
24/03/2017,13:18:48,I,+xxxx,What is this debt about?
24/03/2017,13:19:01,I,+xxxx,C'mon...
24/03/2017,13:19:13,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,In December I take, when have problems with flat
24/03/2017,13:19:24,I,+xxxx,Pffff
24/03/2017,13:19:43,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Really.. in 18 00
24/03/2017,13:19:48,I,+xxxx,You meet you father today?
24/03/2017,13:19:55,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,No
24/03/2017,13:20:07,I,+xxxx,Changed mind??
24/03/2017,13:20:13,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Yesterday he was very drunk
24/03/2017,13:20:28,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,And now he not call and not answer me
24/03/2017,13:20:37,I,+xxxx,Oh fuck....
24/03/2017,13:21:20,I,+xxxx,Really push until next weekend... impossible by today...
24/03/2017,13:22:00,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I can't... today last time for payment
24/03/2017,13:22:02,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Really
24/03/2017,13:22:04,I,+xxxx,But shit you could have asked when here....
24/03/2017,13:22:13,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I try to ask my mom
24/03/2017,13:22:30,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Bcs I think everything is ok... and I can pay later
24/03/2017,13:22:37,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,But not
24/03/2017,13:22:45,I,+xxxx,You find one bridge now
24/03/2017,13:23:01,I,+xxxx,Until 1st april
24/03/2017,13:23:37,I,+xxxx,Somebody had to pay you and didn't?
24/03/2017,13:24:21,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I have salary in Inst just in next week
24/03/2017,13:24:27,I,+xxxx,Who gave you money for debt in Dec?
24/03/2017,13:24:51,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,One girl
24/03/2017,13:24:53,I,+xxxx,Mafia??
24/03/2017,13:24:59,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Noooo
24/03/2017,13:25:03,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Of corse
24/03/2017,13:25:13,I,+xxxx,C'mon is one week wait
24/03/2017,13:25:23,I,+xxxx,Show her this chat
24/03/2017,13:25:47,I,+xxxx,I'll give you this money
24/03/2017,13:25:57,I,+xxxx,Next weekend
24/03/2017,13:26:34,I,+xxxx,But pls stop making debts... not good idea...
24/03/2017,13:37:29,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,You cannot send me a money now, sure?
24/03/2017,13:37:40,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Western Union maybe
24/03/2017,13:37:57,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,I really don't know what I need to do
24/03/2017,13:39:00,I,+xxxx,No they will file me somewhere...
24/03/2017,13:39:27,I,+xxxx,I told you ... cash
24/03/2017,13:40:25,I,+xxxx,There could rise lot of problems...
24/03/2017,13:40:58,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Understand
24/03/2017,13:41:01,I,+xxxx,Taxes...
24/03/2017,13:41:13,I,+xxxx,Forget it
24/03/2017,13:41:43,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Ok.. I am understand
24/03/2017,13:42:07,I,+xxxx,Let me speak with this girl in case
24/03/2017,13:42:21,I,+xxxx,I could write her
24/03/2017,13:42:55,I,+xxxx,But I don't see all this issues pushing by one week
24/03/2017,13:43:09,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,No, I think she don't understand English... but we will meet today and I ask she
24/03/2017,13:43:16,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,And give your number
24/03/2017,13:43:24,I,+xxxx,Ok
24/03/2017,13:44:01,I,+xxxx,You needed money for flat repairs?
24/03/2017,13:58:21,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Yes
24/03/2017,14:02:47,I,+xxxx,Don't feel stressed.... it's gonna be fine... really.
24/03/2017,14:03:01,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,Ok
24/03/2017,14:03:16,Angelina,+37525xxxxx,But I am again in stess
24/03/2017,14:03:23,I,+xxxx,Naaa

Note that in this period she was having plenty of relationships in parallel and even a prostitution activity ongoing in Vilnius... (everything understood after the story finished and for sure known by the mother...)

Anyhow in all this time after the story finished I've been often provoked by her mother (yes the one who asked for help in August!!) with lot of insults and attacks.

Referring to the above situation just yesterday Natalia (Angelina's mom) had with me the following chat (with the usual insults)  to inform that now finally there is a real man taking care of Angelina  (I translated from Russian using Google):

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You acted like a bad man and did not help your woman
What else to say
Now she has a real man, who in one day solved all her problems
Financial
And she does not need to worry and ask for something. She already has everything.
For example: a new phone, paid for studies, there is money for a hairdresser and beautician (about 1000 � per month)
There is money for the gym!
And you could not give any 300 �
About what else to talk with you
It does not say that angelina is a fraud, she as any woman asks for help from her man
And beautiful women need money 3 times more
You go to Armani, and Angelina on the cheap Chinese market
You think you made a fairy tale for her, you are very mistaken, you made a fairy tale for yourself
Bragged that with you a number of beautiful and young girl
And for her it was a shame

Me:
1) It was a request for money for a fake situation ....
2) I spent more than 1000 euros a month for Angelina. Just think about the flights.
3) I signed for her 22 000 CHF for 9 months with the Authorities ... Only at school was about 1000 per month ...

You're an idiot.

Natalia:
Plus, you're greedy
Flights are expansions for you
You wanted her to come
So write it down to your account
Signed, and? For this she was to become your thing
It does not cost 22,000 ... freedom is much more expensive

Me:
Are you okay? The school was not for me. Living here is VERY expensive. Only the bus costs 15 euros a day ...

Natalia:
Yes Yes
But for this Angelina would have lived in a cage
And you would do with her what you wanted
And then poked
With money
You are a bitchy and greedy old man
School, life in Zurich with you is much less freedom !!!!!!!!

Me:
She knows that ... Having Angelina in Zurich,  for me there were at least 3,500 euros a month more expenses ... You call me greedy ??? Plus flights to send her back and forth to do exams there in Minsk ...

Natalia:
It is clear
Are you reading, moron? Or has the disease filled everything?
You're driving yourself to the grave! Full idiot
All, I've said everything

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Nice brazen mom eh?   Have fun....
Needless to say that the real man is just somebody present in parallel since many months (and with many others...) as far as I clearly understood...  Everything is well known by the dear mommy  so worried now by daughter freedom ...

Does anybody had similar situation involving the family of a girl/woman?

Minsky

[Sting23]

How much money did you give and why would you even do that? 

[minsky]

In the email above I'm speaking about the situations in March 2017 and in August-September 2017. I wouldn't give anything NOW! With the mother who is insulting me NOW, I'm answering about what was the financial commitment in August-September...

About March 2017... the scamming is evident... she asked money (few hundreds euro) for a fake purpose to a me who believed to have a relationship while she was just a prostitute scamming...

Cheers,

Minsky

[minsky]

As you read from the mother, they have now (in reality since long time and in parallel) another guy to put in place the scamming...

[kynrazor]

In the email above I'm speaking about the situations in March 2017 and in August-September 2017. I wouldn't give anything NOW! With the mother who is insulting me NOW, I'm answering about what was the financial commitment in August-September...

About March 2017... the scamming is evident... she asked money (few hundreds euro) for a fake purpose to a me who believed to have a relationship while she was just a prostitute scamming...

Cheers,

Minsky

Wow. What a story. I feel sorry that you had to go through all this, but don�t worry. There are more sincere women than scammers out there, especially in Belarus.

Keep looking and I�m sure you�ll find her.

 

[alex330]

How old are you Minsky? And how old is Angelina?

[minsky]

What it is interesting here and the reason why I posted is the "mother" character.... kind of pimp ... or even worse..
She entered so directly in the story and in perfect bad faith...  Was worth to highlight.

Miinsky

[BillyB]

If you were on the phone and skype often with the woman, she may have done you a favor and dropped you quickly unless you're sending her money. Those women don't want men calling all hours of the day unless it's their favorite and don't waste time with guys who don't put out.




If you were in contact with many women and they gave you attention, you would not feel pressure to waste months of your life with one.




Don't waste time with women who have problems in their lives that are solved with your money. She asked you for money in March and you continued to communicate with her for another 6 months. You allowed yourself to live in her world and it cost you time and money when there are much better options out there.




Whatever you do, don't tell the next girl you're involved with about this in any capacity. You will greatly increase your chances of getting dumped. Quality women want a man who has his act together. They don't want naive or stupid. Learn from this experience and never repeat it. Be that man who can't be fooled by people half his age.

[minsky]

Don't waste time with women who have problems in their lives that are solved with your money. She asked you for money in March and you continued to communicate with her for another 6 months. You allowed yourself to live in her world and it cost you time and money when there are much better options out there.

Hello Billy,

well well  the scam was very well done... she did show me even pics of that repairs in the flat.... If you are dealing with person in bad faith I tell you it is hard not to be fooled even if you have double of the age... What can change is how long it takes to sort out everything... To me it took 4-6 months in all after the first anomalies and then the family popped up. This was the focus of this post: this interesting character of her mom. I don't want to block her it is too ilarious! I'm not throwing money anymore since September... Now there is another stupid- naive (they call him real man...). Anyhow it is not matter to be naive I think... this is not a business case... In love/sentimental at the beginning you always invest in trust. Don't you?

Do you have comments about this mother? Anybody had similar experiences in FSU?

Minsky

[2tallbill]

Does anybody had similar situation involving the family of a girl/woman?

Minsky

I've had a girl bat her pretty eyes at me and ask me to buy
her an $800 coat.

What you got was an education in the school of hard knocks
and your tuition is all paid up. How you process this is up to
you.

You are here at the forum now where you can educate yourself
on how to avoid things like this in the future. My recommendation
is that you chalk this up as a learning experience and forget the
money and move on, you still have your health and she didn't
manage to harvest your kidneys or kick you out of your family
home with a fake domestic violence charge.

[minsky]

she didn't manage to harvest your kidneys or kick you out of your family
home with a fake domestic violence charge.

hahaha!!!

Fantastic!!

Minsky

[2tallbill]

To me it took 4-6 months in all after the first anomalies and then the family popped up.
Minsky

How many times did you visit her during these 4-6 months?

Tell me that you visited her and rode her like a rodeo horse
and when you were done she was being sent the glue factory,
because then you could say that you were blinded by lust/love/
passion etc. and most of the men here can all understand how
that can happen.

In any case you are here now and can begin to learn how to go
about this in the right way. These thread should get you started
on the right track. 

The 10 Commandments
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0


Pursuing FSUW101 a how to get started guide
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0


My 9 year adventure
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0


The Free E Book
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47

[kynrazor]

you still have your health and she didn't manage to harvest your kidneys or kick you out of your family home with a fake domestic violence charge.

 

Amen

[Sting23]

I recall the OP posted about some scammer a few months ago, apparently a woman he met on a plane.  Seemed far fetched to me so perhaps there is more than meets the eye for him to bring up this thread...is it the mother of that woman?

[msmob]

 

If only you took the time to read folks posts ...   Once again - inattentive ... 

Why not look under a posters profile and check their posts?

[Boethius]

I recall the OP posted about some scammer a few months ago, apparently a woman he met on a plane.  Seemed far fetched to me so perhaps there is more than meets the eye for him to bring up this thread...is it the mother of that woman?

He mentioned the mother previously as well.

[minsky]

Tell me that you visited her and rode her like a rodeo horse
and when you were done she was being sent the glue factory,
because then you could say that you were blinded by lust/love/
passion etc. and most of the men here can all understand how
that can happen.

She always visited me (at my expenses of course) ... let's say we spent together 50 days in 6 months... And the sex action has been very intense... Actually I visited her only once when the story was over and still I rode her for one day...
I really do not regret the money spent even if it was scammed. But what is funny to me now is that mom of such girl who even complains to me as not having supported enough HIS woman!!! HIS???  In the remaining 130 days of that 6 months mommy knows well what the daughter was doing... (not me unfortunately... I understood all just in the last month or two when they begged for a "new life")

Minsky

P.S.: Thank you for the links I'll give a check in the next days!

[Sting23]

Wait so you got scammed by the mother and the daughter?!!

[minsky]

Wait so you got scammed by the mother and the daughter?!!

By the mother when she pushed the daughter to me to get "a new life".... it was just a fooling... Angelina stayed one month and disappeared as I explained in November.... This mother was the comedy director 100%.  At that time was not clear the role of this mommy.... now it is!!! It's fantastic! To me is worth to analyze...

Minsky

[BillyB]

well well  the scam was very well done...

You may want to believe that you're hard to fool but I guarantee you that not every guy would've been fooled. If you have a policy to dump women who tell you about their life's problems that are solved with money, you would never put yourself in a position to get separated from your money.

this is not a business case... In love/sentimental at the beginning you always invest in trust. Don't you?

You can give a "certain amount" of trust when meeting anybody for the first time. When a woman implies she needs money to solve her problems, you better trust that she needs money and will always need money from you.


Trust needs to be earned. Before I enter a relationship, I date the woman to see if she can be trusted among other things. After I learn I can trust her to a certain degree, I may ask her to be my girlfriend. When I learn I can trust her even more, I may ask her to be my wife.

She always visited me (at my expenses of course) ... let's say we spent together 50 days in 6 months... And the sex action has been very intense... Actually I visited her only once when the story was over and still I rode her for one day...
I really do not regret the money spent even if it was scammed.

You're looking at them for love and they were looking at you for money. They seen you as a business opportunity and you should've seen it for what it was. Because you didn't get love and marriage out of it, I can't say it was a scam. You gave them money and you got pussy in return. Don't know if you cut the money off first but if you did, you have to expect their legs to be closed to non paying customers.

[ML]

I am often beyond belief when I read stories from guys here.

I wonder if the behavior is caused by a naivety gene that is beyond repair.

[Boethius]

It is a hope in the decency of the human condition.

[kynrazor]

I am often beyond belief when I read stories from guys here.

I wonder if the behavior is caused by a naivety gene that is beyond repair.

As per the seven deadly sins recorded down in history: pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth 

History keeps repeating itself I guess we all go through it 

[minsky]

You can give a "certain amount" of trust when meeting anybody for the first time. When a woman implies she needs money to solve her problems, you better trust that she needs money and will always need money from you.


Trust needs to be earned. Before I enter a relationship, I date the woman to see if she can be trusted among other things. After I learn I can trust her to a certain degree, I may ask her to be my girlfriend. When I learn I can trust her even more, I may ask her to be my wife.

Very good comments! Thanks.

But I've not read about this family-mom situation. About the girl we knew already... Of course if I read back now her statements I reported at the beginning of the topic after Bill's comments I find her the most disgusting and open scammer at work.

Bill, a question for you: would you help your girlfriend if she ask you money? Under which conditions?

Cheers, Minsky

[BillyB]

Bill, a question for you: would you help your girlfriend if she ask you money? Under which conditions?

I'd help my girlfriend if she needs financial help but my girlfriend would be many steps above the girls you've just dealt with. Those girls aren't marriage material. They aren't even girlfriend material.


Conditions? If my girlfriend of two weeks missed a car payment because she was ill, missed work and her paycheck was small, I'd loan her money. I'd pay attention to see if she'd pay it back and if she did pay it back, I'd accept the money to learn if she'd get upset I'd take my loan back. If she were my girlfriend of two years, I would know after that length of time my girlfriend is a person of integrity otherwise I wouldn't be in a relationship that long with her and because she's an outstanding person, she would pay me back but I wouldn't accept the money.