Where are all the average girls?

[Trenchcoat]

So looking on fdate and I would say approx 80 percentage of the girls are 8-10 model girls, then about 10 percent of girl 5-7's then about another 10 percent of girls in the 1-4 looks category. Now I know Ukraine etc has a disproportionate amount of hot women to many western countries. However, even this amount seems disproportionately high. In the west you can probably guess on around anywhere between perhaps around 10-40 percent of girls being in the 8-10 category if in say a uni lecture or some sort of function, etc.

My thoughts are that nothing good is likely to come from going for the 8-10 girls, that they are in it for what they can get in an insincere way. Even if I found one with chemistry because they rate so highly on looks they would be a load of guys chomping at the bit to get with them and chemistry with a fair amount of other guys also.

I've looked on Mamba and that's not the down to earth site it used to be, it's much the same there. Other sites seem much the same also, In guessing it's to cater for what turns the majority of WM in when they start this search.

So apart from the few girls I can scrape from sites like fdate, where do I go for the everyday 5-7 girl in Ukraine. The type of girl that works in a grocery store (who doesn't look totally drained of life) or other bog standard job. I imagine they are more numerous than on International Dating websites and are not the prettiest girls so past over by most locals, so where online might they be found?

[msmob]

Just date o e of the average UK lasses and put a roof over HER head...  You know she will be grateful...wear a short skirt and listen to your every word.....


It's what you want and no one will 'steal her off you'....


Wait a .mo..... I got it...that will not work....the UK lass knows the law...she'll be gone, taking you and any child and you will still fail..


Plan B..

Sort out the misogynist in you...

THEN, revisit dating..

[Patagonie]

So looking on fdate and I would say approx 80 percentage of the girls are 8-10 model girls, then about 10 percent of girl 5-7's then about another 10 percent of girls in the 1-4 looks category. Now I know Ukraine etc has a disproportionate amount of hot women to many western countries. However, even this amount seems disproportionately high. In the west you can probably guess on around anywhere between perhaps around 10-40 percent of girls being in the 8-10 category if in say a uni lecture or some sort of function, etc.

My thoughts are that nothing good is likely to come from going for the 8-10 girls, that they are in it for what they can get in an insincere way. Even if I found one with chemistry because they rate so highly on looks they would be a load of guys chomping at the bit to get with them and chemistry with a fair amount of other guys also.

I've looked on Mamba and that's not the down to earth site it used to be, it's much the same there. Other sites seem much the same also, In guessing it's to cater for what turns the majority of WM in when they start this search.

So apart from the few girls I can scrape from sites like fdate, where do I go for the everyday 5-7 girl in Ukraine. The type of girl that works in a grocery store (who doesn't look totally drained of life) or other bog standard job. I imagine they are more numerous than on International Dating websites and are not the prettiest girls so past over by most locals, so where online might they be found?

Trench, many western men today are making rational calculations on "how to avoid the competition for women between men or find a way to get it less fierce"There is no such a path where you can find the ideal road where every risk is at zero, every other men is prisoner in a camp, and the 10 % of 5-7 girls are golden opposite to the 8-10 who are rotten.

Trench it's time to work on your insecurities because such type of thinking don't work in the real world.I already recommanded you to improve your life and as possible, travel and meet a lot of women, especially from the FSU, not necessarily in the way to marry them or to f.... them.

Trench, if you have such level of hesitation and fear it's better to 1/ change your life and become an expart in FSU so you don't need to marry 2/ avoid FSU for ever if you have to stay in your country because basically there is no other way to live with a slavic women except to marry her. 3/ Date local FSU but that's not easy.

I see your volume of posts here as an unhealthy life and considering that you not a pensioner you have better to do.

[BC]

I see your volume of posts here as an unhealthy life and considering that you not a pensioner you have better to do.

Like learning how to date local girls.. if ya can't do that it won't be any better on the other side of the Channel.

[Patagonie]

Like learning how to date local girls.. if ya can't do that it won't be any better on the other side of the Channel.

+1

[Trenchcoat]

Can we all focus on the question in hand please.

Please avoid the usual tit for tat, I am quite happy where I am with myself now. I'm not insecure, I'm realistic and open eyed about the results to expect. 8-10 girls may suit some guys but for me if I took one back home I know it likely would not go well. I know there are risks in life but I know that I also should look to be realistic. I want a proper relationship with a girl, one where I enjoy sharing a relationship not a scenario where a girl isn't commited to me. I don't see many of the 8-10 girls as possessing the commitment I want.

[msmob]

Sadly, there is simply no point in you starting new threads and expecting answers to 'hypotheticals'.

You are miles away from pulling anywhere..based on your attitude..

[Nightwish]

So looking on fdate and I would say approx 80 percentage of the girls are 8-10 model girls, then about 10 percent of girl 5-7's then about another 10 percent of girls in the 1-4 looks category. Now I know Ukraine etc has a disproportionate amount of hot women to many western countries. However, even this amount seems disproportionately high. In the west you can probably guess on around anywhere between perhaps around 10-40 percent of girls being in the 8-10 category if in say a uni lecture or some sort of function, etc.

My thoughts are that nothing good is likely to come from going for the 8-10 girls, that they are in it for what they can get in an insincere way. Even if I found one with chemistry because they rate so highly on looks they would be a load of guys chomping at the bit to get with them and chemistry with a fair amount of other guys also.

I've looked on Mamba and that's not the down to earth site it used to be, it's much the same there. Other sites seem much the same also, In guessing it's to cater for what turns the majority of WM in when they start this search.

So apart from the few girls I can scrape from sites like fdate, where do I go for the everyday 5-7 girl in Ukraine. The type of girl that works in a grocery store (who doesn't look totally drained of life) or other bog standard job. I imagine they are more numerous than on International Dating websites and are not the prettiest girls so past over by most locals, so where online might they be found?

And this shows exactly how subjective your idiotic "ratingsystem" is.
If i take a look on fdating now and I would use your way of rating  - I would say maybe ~10% of the girls are in the 8-10 range.

[BC]

Can we all focus on the question in hand please.

Don't shoot the messengers for pointing out the obvious.

If leaves of a tree are turning strange colors in the wrong season, one has to look for problems with the roots.

Here, the 'root' needing help is you, thus all your efforts to paint leaves green don't hold for long.

Post all you want, but in the end you are only deceiving yourself.

[Patagonie]

And this shows exactly how subjective your idiotic "ratingsystem" is.
If i take a look on fdating now and I would use your way of rating  - I would say maybe ~10% of the girls are in the 8-10 range.

I do agree here Trench that your entire ranking system is quite subjective.
I cannot disagree however with you Trench that the MATHEMATICAL possibility of a 9 is that she can flakes (rebounds) every time and especially in the west, so her options are far better than a 6.
But for the scale system, don't forget that FSU women have an art to embellish their photos. I don't remind exactly but in one of my trip i compared the photos with the women i met. Only 20%, no more, were better than photos. But at least 40/50% were less beautiful.

So IMHO 8 and 9 on fdating (i am also on fdating, my ex wife got me back there also in 2011) are perhaps around 20/30% of the dating crownd no more and less than 10% of the overall female population, ranking women for the age they have, decade after decade (you cannot give the same ranking to a 50 years lady and a model of 20).

[Boethius]

It doesn’t matter if a woman is a 5 or a 10. If she is not in love, the end result will be the same. The rating system is a stupid way to choose a potential mate.

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[krimster2]

"If she is not in love, the end result will be the same. The rating system is a stupid way to choose a potential mate."

the rating system is kinda like "face control"
it's encoded in our genes it's worked for millions of years...
it's only the "first gate" for a potential mate to pass through - there are many more

i think all signs point to a coming collapse in our current social structure
things like marriage, etc will be obsolete
all of these things are cultural artifacts
"events" are going to shatter this fragile culture
krimster will laugh and laugh...
 

[Davo]

Like learning how to date local girls.. if ya can't do that it won't be any better on the other side of the Channel.

Best advice you will ever receive!!!! Embrace it!!!!

Although I have been in a relationship of some kind since age 12 (met my ex and mother of my children at age 14), I found myself single again at aged 39 and realised despite living with a woman for over 20 years, I had no clue about dating or where to even begin.

It took two years of working on my personal issues, reading online, hanging out with single guys who have experience dating, a hell of a lot of trial and error and countless rejections, to finally feel confident in my abilities with attracting women and dating.

I literally committed every spare minute of my time to the cause. 300+ speed dates, countless real dates, approaching women in the street, pubs and during  my daily travels.... I even met a woman in my local chemist and dated her for a little while.

Like anything in life, some people are naturally gifted with sport, business etc... and attracting woman. Guys like  me have to work hard to have success.

If I didn’t put in all the hard yards at home, I’m sure I wouldn’t have been nearly as successful as I have been over the last few weeks on the ground in Russia.

Many  people here have directly asked about your dating history at home and you avoid it, combine that with things you say and it indicates  really haven’t dated before. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.... I had only been with one women ever  up to a few years ago. Be honest with yourself and realise you’re way over your head due to your lack of experience..... I certainly had to face that hard reality.

I’ve said this before trench..... this is like deciding to play in an international sporting event.  if you’re not naturally gifted, how can you ever expect to have success if you haven’t practiced with lower ranked competitors  at home.

[Grumpy]

 Why are you looking on the internet???
Are you looking for a keyboard Juliet?
or perhaps you are hunting for miss shopaholic?    (the girl who looks at all the profiles and rejects them all, because none of them are Mr. Perfect)


 You Must  turn off all of your devises and get off your butt and GO WHERE THE WOMEN ARE.
 Go to a nightclub, a shopping mall, church, concert, or sporting event.
Why do women go to sporting events? Because that is where the men are! Don't worry about the competition, 95% of them will be too busy watching the event to even notice all of the attractive, eligible women that are there.
 Talk to them, ask them if they would like to go on a date, get their phone number, and date them.
Dating is all about practice, the more you practice, the better you get.
Eventually sooner or later you will meet future Mrs. Trench.

[Patagonie]

"If she is not in love, the end result will be the same. The rating system is a stupid way to choose a potential mate."

the rating system is kinda like "face control"
it's encoded in our genes it's worked for millions of years...
it's only the "first gate" for a potential mate to pass through - there are many more

i think all signs point to a coming collapse in our current social structure
things like marriage, etc will be obsolete
all of these things are cultural artifacts
"events" are going to shatter this fragile culture
krimster will laugh and laugh...

I also see many things collapsing now and the marriage is therefore totaly obsolote, a cultural thing which brings real money, so something women want to freneticaly keep on.

[Trenchcoat]

It doesn’t matter if a woman is a 5 or a 10. If she is not in love, the end result will be the same. The rating system is a stupid way to choose a potential mate.

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Agreed but online the profile pic is the first thing people see so it's the hurdle in the way of meeting and finding out if there is natural chemistry. Most men judge a woman by her looks and most women judge a man by he's looks online and I don't just mean tinder. Some men will post pics of them doing a sports activity or in front of an expensive sports car and this may away women to the men that are attracted to such.

[Trenchcoat]

And this shows exactly how subjective your idiotic "ratingsystem" is.
If i take a look on fdating now and I would use your way of rating  - I would say maybe ~10% of the girls are in the 8-10 range.

Nightwish, you have a rating and I have a rating for looks, personality, etc, the women do so too.

Now of course we don't all rate the same but the majority of will have a consensus over a particular man or woman. If you use the Photofeeler photo rating website it shows pretty well where someone falls. I'm pretty sure it's been fine tuned since it's early conception and seems to give pretty stable consistent results rather than wild swings. If anything contrary to what they say in the photo it's now the person that gets rated much more than the quality of the photo.

You only put around 10 percent of the girls as 8-10 as you no doubt have better response than me, either through looks, personality of what you write or both. I get responses but it's the average that the everyday guy gets. That why I can state more accurately that most women on there are model type of girls. Look at the number of viewings on their photo compared to length of time on there. Sure some will tart themselves up and you can adjust a bit for that but a naturally pretty girl always shows through.

Now you do fine in these sites Nightwish but we are not all so fortunate in life. I'm an everyday ok guy and so are many others looking in the FSU, some are even less than ok. Be serious though and think to yourself 'what is going to happen if an ok sort of guy or less gets with a 8-10 hot model looking girl'. Even if she doesn't already realise that she is all that hot (most do) she will when she gets to the west. She look around at how much more she can get from other men that beat that ok everyday guy or less in every aspect, looks, personality, wealth, etc, and what is she going to do? Yep that's right an easy upgrade.

Sure there is getting to know a girl, caring, shared experiences etc but other guys can do that too and probably more effectively than the ok everyday guy.

It's all about being realistic and realising what it is.

[msmob]

It's all about being realistic and realising what it is.

)))


'quote of the week' - irony whooshes over Trenches head

[Davo]

The rating system is totally subjective. Your ideal woman is going to be different to mine, actually I’m certain she is.

Most men would rate a tall, slim  blonde with ample breasts high on the scale. Where as I personally would put her in the middle. I’ve only dated one women over 5’4” and I realised I don’t find tall woman as feminine as my ideal woman.

My 10 is short, brunette with an athletic build. small breasts and big eyes.  My ex was like this.  I’ve thought about my attraction to this type of woman and all I can conclude is my first child hood crush who I was infatuated with, has these attributes. I actually tracked her down on Facebook when I became single again, but unfortunately she was married.

Looks are secondary once you develop an emotional connection..... love is blind as they say.

When I stopped talking to the woman I’m seeing, I searched fdating for weeks and never found anyone that even come close to her attractiveness in my mind. It’s not that there wasn’t 100’s of attractive women on there and with my ideal attributes, it’s just subconsciously I’d formed a strong connection with her (even online at that stage) and no other woman compared physically.

And..... you totally ignored my last post trench ..... I’m sure I could find at least five posts asking about your past dating / relationship experience and you ignored all of them too!! 😉

[Trenchcoat]

The rating system is totally subjective. Your ideal woman is going to be different to mine, actually I’m certain she is.

Most men would rate a tall, slim  blonde with ample breasts high on the scale. Where as I personally would put her in the middle. I’ve only dated one women over 5’4” and I realised I don’t find tall woman as feminine as my ideal woman.

My 10 is short, brunette with an athletic build. small breasts and big eyes.  My ex was like this.  I’ve thought about my attraction to this type of woman and all I can conclude is my first child hood crush who I was infatuated with, has these attributes. I actually tracked her down on Facebook when I became single again, but unfortunately she was married.

Looks are secondary once you develop an emotional connection..... love is blind as they say.

When I stopped talking to the woman I’m seeing, I searched fdating for weeks and never found anyone that even come close to her attractiveness in my mind. It’s not that there wasn’t 100’s of attractive women on there and with my ideal attributes, it’s just subconsciously I’d formed a strong connection with her (even online at that stage) and no other woman compared physically.

And..... you totally ignored my last post trench ..... I’m sure I could find at least five posts asking about your past dating / relationship experience and you ignored all of them too!! 😉

My dating experience is private beyond what I specifically say here, I'm not going to have the preanut gallery as it were trudging through all my private stuff.

Looks are mostly facially when it comes to photo's, as long as the person has a half decent body and is not fat (or real short) then its pretty much all facial. You can't develop a strong emotional connection if your facial looks don't get you through the door to start with.

It can be difficult to move on from a girl that you have become involved with even if she is not right for you or the relationship became unfeasible.

[Trenchcoat]

Ok, our old favourite hottie Anfisa sums it up perfectly here:



She indeed makes a point when she states, "If I was ugly and fat would you still want to date me". Jorge reponds "If you are who you are", which Anfisa doesn't believe and to be honest neither do I. I don't think he went all that distance to date a fat ugly girl, I think it would be difficult to find a guy that does. Both men and women are superficial though few of us like to admit it.

Jorge in turn finds out if he could not provide fore Anfisa (which he was struggling with and in the end couldn't) she would not care if he fell ill and needed care but would just walk off.

This I think is the attitude of many of the 8-10 hot women on International Dating Websites. Now not everyone would say Anfisa is an 8-10 girl, Jorge probably would as he is with her and I thinkn it would be fair to say she is close enough to that direction for many a man. I kind of see this clip as a micro version of what happens their on a much larger scale in FSU Dating through International Dating Websites.

[Boethius]

Then why are you looking abroad?

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[Trenchcoat]

Then why are you looking abroad?

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I don't think they are all like that just most of them. Not being with a model girl doesn't bother me so long as I am genuinely attracted to her/into her. I don't mind sacrificing the 8-10 looks girls to get out of that game, hopefully.

[Boethius]

Proving your misogyny yet again.

What you believe, you find. 

I posted a story here a long time ago about my husband's friend, whose wife married him solely to get a propiska (passport stamp) allowing her to live in Kyiv.  They were "happy" until the day he relented and allowed her to get her propiska.  She then threw him out of his apartment, and began divorce proceedings.  A Soviet version of a "mule".  That woman was, at best, a 3, physically.

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[Trenchcoat]

Proving your misogyny yet again.

What you believe, you find. 

I posted a story here a long time ago about my husband's friend, whose wife married him solely to get a propiska (passport stamp) allowing her to live in Kyiv.  They were "happy" until the day he relented and allowed her to get her propiska.  She then threw him out of his apartment, and began divorce proceedings.  A Soviet version of a "mule".  That woman was, at best, a 3, physically.

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Different times, different situation so not comparable. Theoretically a not so pretty girl may want the same/similar as a model girl but her options are fewer. In the UK a woman has to be married to a guy for 5 years before she gets a claim on the guys wealth. So they are unlikely to have the clout they need to make the same/similar happen as you describe.

In Ukraine divorce laws favour the guy even more than in the UK in general depending on situation.

I've no doubt with most 8-10 girls I would find they are out for the most they can get, like Anfisa, they know what they are worth, she did.

[Boethius]

Different times, different situation so not comparable. Theoretically a not so pretty girl may want the same/similar as a model girl but her options are fewer. In the UK a woman has to be married to a guy for 5 years before she gets a claim on the guys wealth. So they are unlikely to have the clout they need to make the same/similar happen as you describe.

In Ukraine divorce laws favour the guy even more than in the UK in general depending on situation.

I've no doubt with most 8-10 girls I would find they are out for the most they can get, like Anfisa, they know what they are worth, she did.

The situations are indeed comparable.  Only the ultimate "goal" changes. 

You can find women who are stunningly beautiful who just want a simple life, and you can find women who are average or below who are monsters inside.  Women always have options, even women who you deem unattractive.  Men aren't all superficial. 

The woman I was referring to was married to the guy for longer than five years.  I can think of a few posters here who I knew would end up divorced, and all of them were married longer than five years.

Divorce laws don't "favour" men in Ukraine. In fact, quite the contrary.  The difference there is, almost everyone is asset poor.

Stop making excuses and look at yourself.  Analyze yourself.  You are your own worst enemy,and unless you change that, it won't matter who you marry.  You will end up alone.  I don't mean to be cruel, it's just obvious.

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[Trenchcoat]

The situations are indeed comparable.  Only the ultimate "goal" changes. 

You can find women who are stunningly beautiful who just want a simple life, and you can find women who are average or below who are monsters inside.  Women always have options, even women who you deem unattractive.  Men aren't all superficial. 

The woman I was referring to was married to the guy for longer than five years.  I can think of a few posters here who I knew would end up divorced, and all of them were married longer than five years.

Divorce laws don't "favour" men in Ukraine. In fact, quite the contrary.  The difference there is, almost everyone is asset poor.

Stop making excuses and look at yourself.  Analyze yourself.  You are your own worst enemy,and unless you change that, it won't matter who you marry.  You will end up alone.  I don't mean to be cruel, it's just obvious.

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Ukraine divorce law states that any property he held before marriage he keeps after a divorce.

I know less attractive girls can have bad traits also too, I've come across them. I just see a lot of model type of girls on these websites which are attracted by the trappings of moving to a western country to a wealthy guy or at least using a guy as a mule. I don't think guys are being realistic and will accept any reason to rationalize these girls won't mostly be like Anfisa, most will be. Even if you find one with chemistry they will find other guys with chemistry in the UK who have more better looks, personality, wealth, etc.

[tfcrew]

Can we all focus on the question in hand please. [? question mark]

Would be glad to.

Where are all the average girls?

          Who wants 'average'? 
 Why not....Where are all the special ladies?

[Boethius]

Ukraine divorce law states that any property he held before marriage he keeps after a divorce.

Which is exactly what the law states in many common law jurisdictions, at least those with statutes on division of matrimonial property.    Assets acquired before marriage are exempt from matrimonial division.  Only the increase in those assets is considered divisible.  This is the law in Ukraine.  I know that as a fact.  The Ukrainian division of matrimonial property is based on Canadian law.  The woman who drafted the Ukrainian law practiced family law in Canada for 30 years before moving to Ukraine.  She drafted legislation on matrimonial property division in Canada, as well.

I know less attractive girls can have bad traits also too, I've come across them. I just see a lot of model type of girls on these websites which are attracted by the trappings of moving to a western country to a wealthy guy or at least using a guy as a mule. I don't think guys are being realistic and will accept any reason to rationalize these girls won't mostly be like Anfisa, most will be. Even if you find one with chemistry they will find other guys with chemistry in the UK who have more better looks, personality, wealth, etc.

You do realize Anfisa was on a scripted television show, right?  If she is so materialistic, why hasn't she left her husband now that she is supporting herself, while he is in prison?


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[2tallbill]

So looking on fdate and I would say approx 80 percentage of the girls are 8-10 model girls,
then about 10 percent of girl 5-7's then about another 10 percent of girls in the 1-4 looks
category.

Point One
I think that you are comparing apples and oranges and your 8-10 is a lot
different than others. I don't remember your age, let's say you are 38.

If you compare the looks of a 38 year old woman from Blighty that you can
wrangle a date with to a 24 year old from Minsk that you probably shouldn't
be writing, the woman from Blighty is going not going to fair well in looks
and body against the girl. 

Since you are used to looking at overweight women in the UK, you add
points to the looks of the thinner Eastern gals.

Point Two
Any girl with 1-4 looks will get ZERO letters from anybody. Eventually
they will leave the site. The prettier girls will get enough attention to
stay on the site.

So you won't get a true cross section of people on an international dating
site.

Point Three
My wife Angel Eyes looks amazingly beautiful without makeup. She looks like a
dream when she wakes up. One of my wife's hobbies is doing manicures for and
with her friends. She has friends who come by to drink tea, eat cookies and do
their nails and talk 175 mph in Russian.

Some of them come in the morning without makeup. Some of them I didn't even
recognize without make up, thinking that they were two different people unless
they showed up with her kids. This is especially confusing because she has all
these friends with all the same names.

Some of those 8's that you rated as 8's because they are thin and have expertly
applied makeup and hair, and clothes that accentuate their figures, when they
are in fact 5's when they wake up in the morning or step out of the shower.

My thoughts are that nothing good is likely to come from going for the 8-10 girls,
that they are in it for what they can get in an insincere way. Even if I found one
with chemistry because they rate so highly on looks they would be a load of guys
chomping at the bit to get with them and chemistry with a fair amount of other
guys also.

This is your insecurity speaking again and what you should realize that if you find
good girl and win her heart then you don't have to worry about the other guys.
You DO need to make more money in my opinion to find and marry a good girl, 
currently you are hoping to find a girl and live in near poverty. 

So apart from the few girls I can scrape from sites like fdate, where do I go for the
everyday 5-7 girl in Ukraine. The type of girl that works in a grocery store (who
doesn't look totally drained of life) or other bog standard job. I imagine they
are more numerous than on International Dating websites and are not the
prettiest girls so past over by most locals, so where online might they be
found?

Try writing only to girls within 2 years of your age. You can find a gal who
looks just as good when she wakes up in the morning and you are a better
catch for a girl who is your same age.   

[Trenchcoat]

Would be glad to.          Who wants 'average'? 
 Why not....Where are all the special ladies?

I know slot of people see 'average' as derogatory, just like categorising women. I don't mean it as anyone lesser but what on reality most people are in the looks scale, or those where most don't readily see them as hot model looking women. Doesn't mean they can't be dressed up to be pretty nice looking or have a great relationship with by being into each other and mutually compatible on some level.

[2tallbill]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah divorce.

You worry about all the wrong things and ignore all the stuff you
really need to think/worry about.

[Trenchcoat]

Which is exactly what the law states in many common law jurisdictions, at least those with statutes on division of matrimonial property.    Assets acquired before marriage are exempt from matrimonial division.  Only the increase in those assets is considered divisible.  This is the law in Ukraine.  I know that as a fact.  The Ukrainian division of matrimonial property is based on Canadian law.  The woman who drafted the Ukrainian law practiced family law in Canada for 30 years before moving to Ukraine.  She drafted legislation on matrimonial property division in Canada, as well.

You do realize Anfisa was on a scripted television show, right?  If she is so materialistic, why hasn't she left her husband now that she is supporting herself, while he is in prison?


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In the UK we are not so lucky, after 5 years a woman will have claim on half of all assets. Similar in the US and probably other places from what I hear.

Jorge net Anfisa before they went on the show, I doubt any of their previous history is false. I doubt much since is, jail, etc, they might as well film as is. I don't think it's scripted like a lot of the reality stuff is as the entertainment is there to begin with so does away with unnecessary work. Anyway, Anfisa is typical of many FSW international dating and Jorge no doubt is of many of the guys, fat or not. Jorge being in Jail is of no bother to Anfisa he is a non issue to her now, she has here Green Card and he is now useless in supporting her. She will no doubt divorce when a better option comes along. Being shown in TV though is probably making that a harder task. I see they have shown no Anfisa prison visits Jorge clips, what viewing would that make, which she would do if she was remotely into him or not out for what she could get.

[Trenchcoat]

Point Two
Any girl with 1-4 looks will get ZERO letters from anybody. Eventually they will leave the site. The prettier girls will get enough attention to stay on the site.

So you won't get a true cross section of people on an international dating
site.

This is a good point bill and would explain it. Guess I would have to be quick of the mark chasing the mingers hey, lol

Seriously though, there must be some dating site out there that is really just aimed at locals.

[Olga_Mouse]

So looking on fdate

So apart from the few girls I can scrape from sites like fdate...

fdate? What's this?

[Nightwish]

fdate? What's this?

fdating.com

[Olga_Mouse]

fdating.com

Thanks Nightwish! I know fdating.com, was just wondering if fdate is some different site...

[Nightwish]

Thanks Nightwish! I know fdating.com, was just wondering if fdate is some different site...

Trench is not only cheap with money, he cant afford writing all the letters in a word either.

[Olga_Mouse]

Trench is not only cheap with money, he can't afford writing all the letters in a word either.

   LOL    Had no idea that the usage of cyberspace has become that expensive nowadays

[Darth_Budda]

Fun Fact

Few Women actually want to find a husband.
Many already have a boyfriend or husband..
Some are actually men behind the pictures..


But some are real,,,  it might be a job answering letters,,,
But if you can talk the talk and they take an interest,,
They will actually talk to you when they are not working answering letters,,,
On their own time with normal shit like Facebook...

[msmob]

Fun Fact

Few Women actually want to find a husband.
Many already have a boyfriend or husband..
Some are actually men behind the pictures..


But some are real,,,  it might be a job answering letters,,,
But if you can talk the talk and they take an interest,,
They will actually talk to you when they are not working answering letters,,,
On their own time with normal shit like Facebook...

Ok...so it is seriously your suggestion that women with a dating profile are not serious about marrying?

Methinks that is not a 'fact'...and your truth applies less and less the older a lady might be.

[Jamesukjames]

The easiest answer is to ask yourself if I was a woman would I want to live with me.  If the answer is yes then proceed.  If not change or embrace singledom both are viable options and have their advantages.

[Darth_Budda]

Ok...so it is seriously your suggestion that women with a dating profile are not serious about marrying?

Methinks that is not a 'fact'...and your truth applies less and less the older a lady might be.

Maybe,,, but any place where the put a pay wall between you and the other person,,, the possibility for abuse is still their...

[msmob]

My  apologies for 'missing' you had previously included the 'paywall factor.'

I assumed you meant all dating sites......


Frankly, and we may even agree here, I see no harm in paying to be a member of a dating site..as long as  no further payments are required to chat or nothing to stop passing on contact details is in place.