Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Rodney42 on July 27, 2008, 01:40:24 AM
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After 5 years of on and off searching for a wife from Russia/Ukraine, and 2 very miserable trips to Ukraine to meet what only turns out to be typical R/U woman scammers and their agency , I finally realized that only a very stupid desperate man would search R/U women. Sure some of you guys have got and or will get very lucky to find a good honest R/U woman but thousands and thousands of men just like me have only got and or will only get scammed into losing lots of $ and wasting lots of time again and again time after time after time.
So I haven't even bothered or cared to search any more R/U women for about a year now because Russian Love Match and Anastasia Web very well proved and have shown so well how much of an easy 90% of the more attractive R/U women on the Internet are just scams/scammers . Even if you do find a real sincere beautiful woman as I'm sure I did a few times you will most likely do as I did and turn her off and away from you because you can't just go hop on a plane to go see her until you know for sure she is real and sincere about trying to form a meaningful relationship with you that would hopefully lead to mirage. And she sure won't like you acting like a detective interrogating her to find out if she is for real or not .
Since I finally pulled my head out of my ass and wised up about R/U women on the internet and went totally Latin I had the best of luck way beyond my expectations with so many beautiful Latin women that were really and truly serious about marriage no matter how young and beautiful they were. I did correspond with a few women that were only looking for presents and a good time but they really didn't try to hide their intentions much at all. Latin scams/ women scammers were almost non existent in my search before I found my current gf-fiance. The reason for this seems to be that Latin women for the most part are more religious which seems to give them higher morals , better family and cultural values ,total dedication and loyalty to their man. I don't think any R/U woman would ever drag me into church just so she could give thanks to God for bringing me into her life. Two Latin girls did this to me even though they knew I'm totally not religious . All the Latin women I corresponded with really despised all the Latin men in their country as cheaters,beaters, drunks and lazy. Gringos are definitely unique and very desired with the Latin women and It sure nice to be noticed by a lot of Latin women on the internet and when I visited Brazil and Colombia .
You should know your really stupid and desperate to search R/U women when all the scammer web-sites on the whole Internet are about 99% R/U scams/scammers . :cluebat: The only so called Latin woman scammer site I was able to find is almost all about R/U scams/scammers . I'm sure there is a good bit of Latin scams/scammers going on but I had almost no problems what so ever probably because I stayed away from agencies and women who showed any kind of insincerity about showing me she was for real and wanting a serious relationship. At the beginning of my search , 2 women insisted that I must first show my-self on a web-cam. This really told me that I was now searching women who were for the most part real and very serious about finding their soul-mate.
The best Latin sites I used are latineuro and latinamericancupid. I really like LAC because the site has unlimited /unrestricted online chatting for $25 a month. Also I really like that the women will hide their profile when they are no longer available and many of them do this very soon which really shows how serious, honest and loyal to their man that they are . When I would chat with the girls many times we would go to MSN to chat , exchange photos and sometimes have a web cam/voice chat . Most of the time it was a very good connection to see and hear each other . The girl that I'm dating now also has high speed Internet and we see and talk to each other every day like we are sitting across the table from each other. There is absolutely no better way , besides in-person, to get to know each other this way to find out if we are compatible or not. If not for MSN , I really feel I would have wasted a lot more time with this other girl I had started a fiance visa with. On my MSN list at one time I had about 30 Latin women and several of them are now engaged or in a serious relationship .Further more I could easily get into 30 serious relationships with almost any good looking Latin woman before I could even find one ok looking for real R/U woman that is honest and really serious about a relationship with me that would hopefully lead to marriage . I estimate that I at best had about a 5% chance of finding a R/U woman that fit all my desired requirements of the type of woman that I want to marry . As to where I guess that I easily have about a 90% chance of finding a good looking Latin woman that fits all my desired requirements of the type of woman I want to marry. I now feel so stupid that I was really getting so desperate with R/U women by lowering so many of my requirements so low that would have absolutely no doubt led to a unhappy mirage that would for sure have failed .
Even though I'm very happy with my current gf , I still sometimes can't help but brows through the Latin sites to check out all the new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women that I know are so available to any average looking good guy no matter his reasonable age difference. My gf is 18 years younger than me and that is very reasonable to her and me .
I've been to Brazil and Colombia 7 times now and it sure is a lot cheaper, warmer and closer than going to R/U. Maybe it's not so far for you European guys to travel to R/U but your still most likely going to just get scammed depending on how young and/or beautiful of a woman your pursuing. Also Latin women that move to the US will have a huge advantage over R/U women in cultural support/comfort and job/career opportunities
Russian and Ukraine women ( especially the beautiful ones) for the most part seem to reflect and act like the corrupt culture that they have grown up in . Scamming western men seems to be very well accepted and growing among R/U people and even bragged about , especially if its a American man that is getting scammed. There is no doubt that R&U scammers really make western men look like the stupid dumb asses that we are for searching for searching R/U women. :wallbash:
RLM very well proves how many super hot looking real women on video cam are really and truly low-life pimped out scummy chatting WHORES. My old , short, fat photo less profile on RLM still to this day very well proves this every time I get online . I still do this occasionally for fun and because it's still so unbelievable and shocking to me at how many of the most beautiful high class looking not so young (24 + ) real online RLM women will ask my photo less profile to chat . I guess that some of the scum that lives on this earth is not always an ugly site to look at
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As long as you use agencys so is the chance to be scammed very high---Agencys are business and nothing more....
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After 5 years of on and off searching for a wife from Russia/Ukraine, and 2 very miserable trips to Ukraine to meet what only turns out to be typical R/U woman scammers and their agency , I finally realized that only a very stupid desperate man would search R/U women.
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Damn, that was one funny post :cluebat:
If I wasn't about to leave the house to catch a plane I would respond in full to its silliness; all I can say is that I'm looking forward to getting back to read the replies that it provokes. :)
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Rodney, I am glad that you found a good partner that you are happy with.
However it seems that you have found this site too late in your life. The agencies you used are known for having a high risk content, even if it is possible to find sincere women. If you add to this that 80% of the scammers are men, and about 90% of all scam profiles lead to the same group, the reality is much better as you projected.
Similar, you will probably be able to find scammers in Latina sites, although there might not be as many organized efforts.
If you are suspicious by nature, and at the same time easy to be suckered in by a nice picture, stay away from RW.
We often mention that they are not for everyone, and you just confirm it by your post.
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I agree with Shadow. As soon as I got to the part where he said which agencies he used I knew what his problem was.
Good Luck Rod, Thanks for sharing your story.
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Yep, as Shadow and VWRW said, it's obvious where half the problem is. I think we could condense Rodney's post to about one sentence:
You should know your really stupid and desperate to search R/U women at Russian Love Match and Anastasia Web
Just my opinion, but if it took 5 years to figure this out, perhaps the other half of the problem is obvious too. ;) Though I'm glad Rodney found what he was looking for somewhere.
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Rodney,
It seems that your first trips to the FSU were as a dumb novice working with agencies having a less than stellar reputation. You learned something even if it required a second trip before you became enlightened. You then took your list of “NOT what to do” to Latin America and have done much better so far.
I assert that if took that same “DO NOT” list back to the FSU you would have done just as well.
I also assert that studying and interacting at RWD will provide a novice more useful guidance than going through the FSU chapter of the SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS as you did, twice.
BTW,
I've been to Brazil and Colombia 7 times now
in combination with
Even though I'm very happy with my current gf , I still sometimes can't help but brows through the Latin sites to check out all the new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women
does not sound as if you are doing so well in Latin America.
Also, a question:
My old , short, fat photo less profile on RLM
If this does indeed describe you (thanks for the candor), what would you expect when dating "super hot looking real women"? Did you expect her heart to go pitter patter?
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Believe me,
Your latina may not have an issue with your age or your appearance now as there are very few options for her in her country.
But bring her to the U.S. with that age difference and if you are also fat and short to boot you will have a harder time keeping her satisfied and still believing she got such a hot deal unless you are loaded.
Humans are the same everywhere. Everyone wants to know they got the best possible spouse they can get in their "present" environment. if you are not up to par with the type of men she can attract when she lives here be careful. Too many men are focussed on how bad the men in her country treat her and therefore she is just desperately searching for a good man. While it may be true when she is back home with little choices her situation will soon change when she gets here. Everybody has a mental wish list of what they search for in a partner. They may settle because they can't afford to be too picky. But if they are not at least 90% satisfied with that wish list after a few years here you are in trouble.
That is why many marriages with RW and LW fail. The men are thinking they are doing her a favor by taking her from a land of few good men to the land of "plenty of good men". There are many guys out there on their 2nd 3rd latina wife. They are so hell bent on thinking they are the ones with the choice, they don't realize how the dynamics change once she's here. She will be sought after by educated and wealthy men which she could not conceive of happening in her country as many of those men will look at her as mistress but never wife. But in the U.S. sky is the limit in the sort of men she can attract. Especially if she's a young beauty.
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My old , short, fat photo less profile on RLM
Not sure, but I think he was saying that he purposely misleads by posting a bogus profile.. and that he continues to do it for kicks... could be that I am reading it wrong.
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Yep, as Shadow and VWRW said, it's obvious where half the problem is. I think we could condense Rodney's post to about one sentence:
Just my opinion, but if it took 5 years to figure this out, perhaps the other half of the problem is obvious too. ;) Though I'm glad Rodney found what he was looking for somewhere.
Hammer hits nail squarely on head.
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Lets not be too harsh with Rodney.
If he refers to the last 5 years then he may well have experienced a reduced pool of available women.
Just hypothetically, if the number of truly interested women decrease I can assume that the number of scammers remains the same, but increase in proportion to the total.
His choice of agency (yuk) may have been off, but IIRC some men have found there mates in the past using them.
Just thoughts to ponder.. there may be more than meets the eye.
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Rodney said that, "I don't think any R/U woman would ever drag me into church just so she could give thanks to God for bringing me into her life."
Well, Rodney, the Russian woman I married did...then again I did not meet her through any agency.
Good luck to you, Rodney!
E
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Rodney, I'm glad you are persistant! No man needs to accept loneliness, but action is required, and you didn't give up.
Still, there is a red flag here that Gator pointed out: if you've found the woman you want to marry, why are you gazing at and dreaming of other new ladies that show up on the agency profiles? It sounds like you are already thinking about trading up? That is not a good predictor of success, IMHO.
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Wherever you are in this world, go and explore the culture, have a nice time, dress up,go out eat, go to cafes, try to learn as much you can of the language before you leave, see on the net whats good and whats bad , talk to people, take it as an vacation,not a"love tour" smile ,have a good time, without any big goals,"about now i gonna score a girl and bring her home",its not working like that at all...
Brasil or in Europe, its takes a lot of time to click with the right one ..
About those latin girls,yeah i agree, they are hot and all that,but belive me,i know a lot of them from my time living in South America ,and they are not that nice :) .
2 us guys killed in Brasil when i was there, they should meet 2 diffrent girls, they chatted with for a long time, ended up tortured and throwed out a window.... and their bfs was the one who planned the whole thing....
Do a google search ...
In Brasil i can point out 1000 scammers for you only in Rio ,they go out with man,after man,day after day,mnth after mnth,recive money from their " Boy friend" every mnth,and they have many,its funny , we talk about it, and they just laugh,they even go to europe when their " Boy friend" thinks they are in Brasil, its so many gold diggers there ,that i don`t know where to start.
But you are right, if you find one, and you will, they are warm,nice ,and very faithful,that means if you find an normal girl with education,school etc,not a beach girl ;)
A guy on average salery come here 2 weeks a year and thinks he is the king, and end up in love, guess what ,wrong girl 90% of the time , they learn it the hard way indeed,seen it to many times, or end up in divorce...
Special when they bring them home to Europe or US,then things goes very wrong fast...
Have patient, go there many times, see and get to know her and the family very well,it can save you a lot of trouble.
My point is, it takes a lot of effort and work,to find a soul mate, you just dont go on the net and find a photo and say " she is the girl" very few do this, it takes time, in Brasil,Russia or Colombia, if its to easy after 1 trip its something wrong for sure...
And yeah, stay away from those sites,one google search could spare you a lot of time and effort and a lot of money ....
I am happy you found and nice Latina in Colombia :) good luck .... Its not easy ....
Ps : i think many forget that ,many times the girls isn`t the problem,i saw a doc here 3 weeks ago about 2 uk guys ,1 us guy , and i understand why so many guys fail in their search,and te girls leave them.No attack on you Rodney, scammers are scammers,but after 1 you can smell them all .....
A bit off topic,but this is what i see and hear to often ....
Good luck again Rodney ..... Colombia chicas is hot :) But stay with one, or you will get in trouble ... hehe ...
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Many good replies from several of you who could feel and sense Rodney's pain and frustration.
For the rest of you I say Rodney is about as big a troll as they come.
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I finally realized that only a very stupid desperate man would search R/U women.
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If that's what I got to be called for finding my wonderful RW then call me stupid all day cause I don't want to be smart.
So I haven't even bothered or cared to search any more R/U women for about a year now because Russian Love Match and Anastasia Web very well proved and have shown so well how much of an easy 90% of the more attractive R/U women on the Internet are just scams/scammers .
No matter how good your intentions, you could waste years of your life with those agencies and have a negative view of RW afterwards. You chose agencies that have a very high percentage of hot looking women there. That's not normal. And you probably allow yourself to chase after the women who have 100 other men chasing after them. No telling how many love letters you've exchange with Boris, the employee of the month.
Rodney, you've put yourself into position to fail, knowingly or unknowingly. Sorry you had to learn the hard way. If you found this forum ealier, you might be eating Borsch tonight instead of tacos.
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Sorry you had to learn the hard way. If you found this forum ealier, you might be eating Borsch tonight instead of tacos.
What's wrong with taco's.. I love their Freudian qualities.. LOL
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Many good replies from several of you who could feel and sense Rodney's pain and frustration.
For the rest of you I say Rodney is about as big a troll as they come.
Heck Jack, I thought at first that he was shilling for the two Latin sites that he mentioned. Then thought otherwise. Some people are not quick to learn.
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I know of 3 local men who went South of the border. All 3 marriages have ended in a very nasty and public manner. I know AM/RW marriages fail as well,but I'm just saying about those 3 cases.
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Lived in Brazil awhile..
very beautiful women,,
happy you found somone special
but there are certainly insincere women there ,so as in any case of marriage ,
in any country..
know the person, and thier family, well..
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I finally realized that only a very stupid desperate man would search R/U women. Sure some of you guys have got and or will get very lucky to find a good honest R/U woman but thousands and thousands of men just like me have only got and or will only get scammed into losing lots of $ and wasting lots of time again and again time after time after time.
Yeah, I agree. Thousands of men don't read this forum and simply want to believe the agency hype.
If you read the ten commandments here then you might have had a better experience.
#3 Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.
#4 Always get the lady's home address and home phone number as early as possible.
I think I'm gonna agree with Jack here and it looks like the troll shoes fit.
Just my two kopecks,
Bill
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but thetre are certainly insincer ewonmen there
They are everywhere and men as well :)
Congratulations Rodney.
as a saying goes: you never know where you will find... and where you will lose...
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Olga
I completely agree.
Good and Bad people can be found anywhere..
and it isn't gender specific ;)
but certainly conditions in various parts of any country, or the world, make it more likely to meet such?
for example: i do not need to lock my car, or house in my town,
and often do nmot.
but where i work, about 30 minutes drive from here.
you certainly need to lock it ;)
my truck has been broken into 3 times this year, alone,
,and was stolen once in the past.
The original poster is portraying areas like Brazil or Colombia as less likely
for a western man looking for marriage to run into insincerety , at least in in comparison to the FSU.
Thats his experience..
In my experience, that is laughable.
(although i was living in Brazil,not dating thru agency or websites)
I would say the opposite is true.
The possibilty of insincerety in a womans interest in a western man for marriage,,
i'd find equal or greater , than in the FSU.
I would think Columbia , would be even more risk than Brazil.
for the same reasons my work area is less safe than the area i live ;)
He claims greater success with Latina areas, verses FSU and RW.
success is relative to the intended outcome?.,. and his actual outcome,
is completely, and i mean completely, unknown at this point.
I'm glad he has found someone,,
Though its a bit hard follow? Since he was engaged to a latina, broke it off,but now has another g/'f? or fiancee? , yet is still looking *kind of* ;)
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AJ,
Rodney is happy with his situation and honestly it absolutely doesn't bother me :D because we are happy with our situations :) and everyone has his own head on his own shoulders or somewhere else :)
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I did all the searching and researching I could before I went to Ukraine but the scam was just as simple as a pro-dater & agency provide lots of services scam . The scammer and forums sites 4-5 years ago were no where near as knowledgeable as they are today .
What RLM did for me was to finally show that many agencies all over R&U are all for sure scamming most men at some level. And for the first time in my R/U search I was able to see real women on video cam who are really and truly scammers. You can read my experience with RLM on russianwomenforums . Bill "tootall" ,you don't remember me on RWF ? Short memory you must have . I think you were trying to tell me that the girl you met in person from RLM wasn't a scammer even though her profile on RLM was acting like a total scam towards me. Some guys on that forum said that RLM was a good site to use . So getting information from a R/U woman scammer forum isn't always good info. to keep you from getting scammed. Best I can remember no one on this site really has told all the many ways RLM scams men. So I'm sure some guys read about RLM here and think if they stay away from all the chatting whores and younger girls they'll be ok.
The few agencies that guys here recommend I'm sure are good for the most part but they are very few of them and I'm sure thousands of guys are for the most part all writing to the same girls .
Should men take loveme.com who advertises on this site as a good site to use ? If they did they would be writing to a lot of real women scammers & fake profiles that are also on RLM. I've also seen women on Elena's Models who are also on RLM. The bottom line is that R&U is so infested with scammers that you really do have to be very dumb to search R&U women .
My Latin women search was very successful for the simple fact that they are way way less Latin scammers on those two sites I mentioned . Also the women that I more seriously corresponded with, for the most part, really did a very good job to show me that they were real and sincere. The 3 girls I went to visit all had a video cam which really gave me many hours of getting to know all about them , their family and visiting friends. No doubt this really helped me to not make a mistake in getting scammed or just wasteing a lot of $ time going to visit an insincere woman .
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so she could give thanks to God for bringing me into her life. Two Latin girls did this to me
I remember a Latin girl who used to look to the heavans and say all sorts of nice things to God in our nearer moments but she sure as hell didn't drag me into church to do so ::).
Rodney. I don't know, nor do I care what your MO is here and notwithstanding all you have waffled on about, which BTW suggests to me you still have limited knowledge of Latin women also, I have to admit, I have oft wondered why a lot more American boys don't look to the Latin world. There is a goodly number of lovely women right at your back door and America just seem to welcome them with open arms.
I/O
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My Latin women search was very successful for the simple fact that they are way way less Latin scammers on those two sites I mentioned .
You've been at this quite some time yet have the naivety to call yourself "successful" because you found a girlfriend?
The bottom line is that R&U is so infested with scammers that you really do have to be very dumb to search R&U women .
Actually, you'd have to be dumb to keep sucking on the agency teat after they've scammed you again and again, then come here and make a general statement about how "infested" the FSU is with scammers.
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A quick search of the internet shows that internet dating scams in Colombia are widespread and growing rapidly. To say it is safer there than in the FSU is foolish. A man who would fall for a scam in the FSU is just as likely to fall for one in South America. It's not about the women, it's about the man himself.
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Rodney
I'm not here trying to flame you or whatever but how about a few specifics on what happened with you. Maybe it will help someone in the future. You know,names dates,trips. That is if you have the time while you're waiting on your girl to arrive.I certainly remember when RWF was a decent place to hangout,but not anymore and it hasnt been for several years.
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Rodney said that, "I don't think any R/U woman would ever drag me into church just so she could give thanks to God for bringing me into her life."
Well, Rodney, the Russian woman I married did...then again I did not meet her through any agency.
Good luck to you, Rodney!
E
Well, my did as well! ;)
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Now I am going to say someting that I don't really like to say, but:
That was one of the most stupid post I have ever read in this forum
Yes off course there will be a lot of scammers on those sites. But there are so many really sincere girls in the FSU. And if you manage to catch one of those you will probably never regret it!
Use your common sence! To catch a 10 in FSU you also have to have something very special to offer, and if it is a good girl just your wallet wont do it. If you belive that all the young beautiful ladies are really into you before even talking to you, you are just fooling yourself! As Anastsiaweb is trying to convince you that they are! FSU women are beautiful in apperance, they are often very highly educated and very proud of their countries. They will not settle for less, they know their value. And this is what I love about them
I also think your post is not really fair to all of us guys here that have met very warm and sincere women in FSU. But as many before me had said. Dating a FSU woman is not "dating light" and is maybe not for everybody.
Sorry for my harsh words. I am glad that you have found hapiness elsewhere, but such generalizations as yours just makes me see red!
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oogaH said
AJ,
Rodney is happy with his situation and honestly it absolutely doesn't bother me because we are happy with our situations and everyone has his own head on his own shoulders or somewhere else ..
It doesn't bother me either Olga :)
In fact ,as stated, i'm happy he found someone.
His experience in both places
(he *searched* for 5 years in FSU, but visited twice?)
and has 7 trips to latin america?
would be viewed as limited.
So i simply offer counter point to his rather bold statements.
and wish him well.
Sincere women can be found in both places.
having actually worked and lived in south america ,i can say i had a great time, and met a lot of wonderful people (not unlike th eFSU)
dated some nice, and not so nice, girls ;)
and can with some certainty say that a man, (or woman)
would need to be very careful if going there for the intent of marriage.
Just as careful ,if not more so, than the FSU,, and
while never living in Colombia, i have traveled there,
and would say careful is a very operative word for someone seeking happiness
there thru marriage as well.
rodneys personal happiness ,,is great,
For anyone to offer up that such latin american countries as Brazil,Argentina or Colombia are for sure "more safe" than the FSU to pursue thier future spouse in,
does not seem realistic.
*shrugs*
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Re: only a desperate dumb man would search R/U women
Well my little kid wasn't desperate.... or dumb! ( He speaks very good english and has a few years of school!Thank you! ) :) And he finally... brought home a great lady and her son. ANd it seemed to take forever......and ever.
Make no mistake about it, these two ARE my RUSSIAN BORN, daughter and grandson.
Oh! what a rare find did he make.....It took most of a year and soooooooooooo many trips to get it all togather. Ask any of these three if it was worth it and they will tell you in a minute.....YES.
They are all Americans now... Basil just finished his first year at Stanford... and is home working to earn his part of next years tuition. Mom is glad to have her chick home. He will not go this year or untill he is about 24 to visit his other family.
Irina had serious back surgery last year at Spincare in California.......and is still recovering. When she came home last year she told me . :D.." It is so good to be home (stanped foot)....This home"
AND my kid has that silly smile on his face that tells me all is good in his world! :)
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I think its only stupid to do this pursuit if you are not able to do it successfully. If you lack the ability to pull it off, yes its a COMPLETE waste of time and money. I hope you can use your experiences to have a good relationship with your current girl.
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I lived in Sao Paulo Brazil for a year from 2000-2001 (was married but wife stayed in USA - was not safe for her to live in Sao Paulo with the crime). After two months local men told me to not wear my wedding ring. Reason girls in Brazil were consistently hitting on me with my ring on. Girls stopped with my ring off. They felt since I was currently happily married I would be married again. Brazil girls are great (actually better looking on average than Russian girls - i.e. model Gizelle look a likes are all over Brazil) but most of the attractive women I knew there were divorced a couple times. Always trading up on the money scale. Brazil was in bad shape than economy wise. Expats also attract the women with lesser morales.
I was 29 years old than. Who knows how many women would have been all over me now when I have money.
If your going to marry a very attractive woman and you are not a high earner, very few of these marriages last unless you start having children. Even than you will never know.
Do not know the story of this guy but since he only visited Russia 2 times probably does not have the money and time to get a very attractive wife there. Time is important too. Most girls I know in Ukraine want a long courtship before marriage (which is normal). Unfortunately they get labeled as professional daters and they see a lot of men but very few honest men come every month to win her heart.
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I spent a couple of years living in Ecuador and Colombia. It was my impression that my blue passport was the most significant factor in a woman's interest in me (I could be Brad Pitt and it would have been the same). As good looking as the women were, their level of education and culture were now match for FSUW, and they don't age nearly as well. I have seen very few good looking Hispanic women over 40. If the primary goal is finding a hot body, what is one to do once these women come to America and have less physical activity and more exposure to American fast food?
Realistically, since I am fluent in Spanish and the distance/cost to travel to Mexico or South America is much less, I could have done quite well there, but the unique characteristics of FSUW (at least for me) were worth the additional effort of learning Russian and taking the longer flight
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The overall assessment I agree with Rodney. I disagree with his conclusion. I agree that way more than 90% of men who travel to meet women in the FSU never succeed in this endeavor and are scammed to one level or another. I would not use the word desperate, but it requires a very unique set of circumstances for a man to succeed and make the choice to pursue a FSUW.
One advantage that can not be overlooked when searching for a Latin woman is the ease of travel. This alone can raise the chances of a man succeeding because he can go more frequently.
I do not believe Desperate men succeed in the FSU, I do believe determine men do. Desperate can be seen in 2 ways, I will say I am desperate to find a loving wife. But desperation can be viewed as "accepting anything". Or it can be viewed as a motivator for becoming determined. If a man is just looking for an easier way to find a woman than searching in his own country, he would be greatly mistaken in making the choice for the FSU or for a Latin woman. In fact Rodney also introduces some of what sounds like agency hype. "Latin women more religious" , "all Latin men are bad" .. this sounds like agency hype to me.
I would guess that what ever the differences between Latin women and FSUW are, Rodney is simply more suited to LW, and hence could sort threw the ladies better than he could do the sort in the FSU.
HiTech
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The overall assessment I agree with Rodney. I disagree with his conclusion. I agree that way more than 90% of men who travel to meet women in the FSU never succeed in this endeavor and are scammed to one level or another. I would not use the word desperate, but it requires a very unique set of circumstances for a man to succeed and make the choice to pursue a FSUW.
One advantage that can not be overlooked when searching for a Latin woman is the ease of travel. This alone can raise the chances of a man succeeding because he can go more frequently.
I do not believe Desperate men succeed in the FSU, I do believe determine men do. Desperate can be seen in 2 ways, I will say I am desperate to find a loving wife. But desperation can be viewed as "accepting anything". Or it can be viewed as a motivator for becoming determined. If a man is just looking for an easier way to find a woman than searching in his own country, he would be greatly mistaken in making the choice for the FSU or for a Latin woman. In fact Rodney also introduces some of what sounds like agency hype. "Latin women more religious" , "all Latin men are bad" .. this sounds like agency hype to me.
I would guess that what ever the differences between Latin women and FSUW are, Rodney is simply more suited to LW, and hence could sort threw the ladies better than he could do the sort in the FSU.
HiTech
Wow .. that's amzing. You think the failure rate is as high as 90% ? That's a sobering thought. I wonder if there's any way to compare that to domestic courtship ?? I'm not sure how to do that. I mean, maybe 90% is high, maybe it is normal.
Like you comment about determination - agree!
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I don't know guys. I'm marking this one up as a troll with sour grapes and an axe to grind. Two trips to meet two women and gets scammed by a pro-daters perhaps he should look deeper for the root of the problem. Maybe in the mirror. My short time on two forums I have seen quite a few with sucker tattooed all over them. Meeting and dating RW isn't nuclear fission but many just don't seem to get it. Yes there is a difference versus AW but the gaps (other than distance) aren't that wide. I would wager a dollar to a donut Ole Rod will meet the same fate with his Latina
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I'm marking this one up as a troll with sour grapes and an axe to grind.
A troll you say Faux Pas! :hairraising: Ole Rodney might be a troll? :noidea:
Let's see here, a total of 2 posts on RWD.
Rodney knows that most the men on this forum are either married to, or looking for a Russian/Ukraine bride. He says to all these men here, You have to be desperate men to search for a Russian woman. :o
In Rodney's 2 post's we know that he has about 5 years experience searching for a wife from Russia or Ukraine.
Now think about this for a second, 5 years ago, 4 years go, 3 years ago for anyone who had done ANY research at all, what was one of the first things they learned? And that would be that Anastasiascamweb was one of the largest scams in the industry.
Anyone who has done any research over the last 2 years, over the last year, what is one of the first things they would have learned? That Hot Russian Brides is one of the largest scams in the industry.
Rodney, if you are fishing from a sea full of sharks, your going to catch a shark? Rodney, if your dealing with two of the largest scam agencies in the industry, your going to get scammed?
Now think about it Rodney, really, what you should have said was this, Stupid men are going to get scammed while searching for a Russian woman. And no one would argue with you Rodney, you would have proven your point quite well.
After getting scammed by Anastasiascamweb and Hot Russian Brides you gave up your search. You made two trips. You met two scam woman. You went half way around the world to meet two scam woman. Not too smart Rodney.
According to you Rodney with Latin girls you have had the best of luck. These Latin girls are serious about marriage no matter how young they are :evil:. The few scammer Latin girls you met were honest to you about their intentions of scamming you, and you appreciated that. :clapping:
The girl that your dating now (your fiancée who is 18 years younger) you see and talk to each other every day via video cam BUT you are STILL looking through the Latin sites to check out all the new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women!!!! WHY? You have a fiancée! You Rodney, in addition to being a troll, are also a [term removed]. :burnedup:
I knew we had some scumbags seeking Russian women and now I know their is at least one [term removed] seeking Latin women. Shame on you Rodney. Does your fiancée know about this site? Does she know you are still looking at new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women?
You have now made 7 trips to see Latin women. Rodney, what's the problem here?
By your own words you have about a 90% chance of finding a good looking Latin woman that fits all your desired requirements of the type of woman you want to marry. Your telling us these are wonderful women, you write "My Latin women search was very successful" you have made 7 trips, have a fiancée and your still checking out the new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women!!! Something's not adding up Rodney.
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A troll you say Faux Pas! :hairraising: Ole Rodney might be a troll? :noidea:
Let's see here, a total of 2 posts on RWD.
Rodney knows that most the men on this forum are either married to, or looking for a Russian/Ukraine bride. He says to all these men here, You have to be desperate men to search for a Russian woman. :o
In Rodney's 2 post's we know that he has about 5 years experience searching for a wife from Russia or Ukraine.
Looks like a duck(troll) , walks like a duck(troll), quacks like a duck(troll). Yep he's kinda like a duck(troll).
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A troll you say Faux Pas! :hairraising: Ole Rodney might be a troll? :noidea:
Let's see here, a total of 2 posts on RWD.
Rodney knows that most the men on this forum are either married to, or looking for a Russian/Ukraine bride. He says to all these men here, You have to be desperate men to search for a Russian woman. :o
In Rodney's 2 post's we know that he has about 5 years experience searching for a wife from Russia or Ukraine.
Now think about this for a second, 5 years ago, 4 years go, 3 years ago for anyone who had done ANY research at all, what was one of the first things they learned? And that would be that Anastasiascamweb was one of the largest scams in the industry.
Anyone who has done any research over the last 2 years, over the last year, what is one of the first things they would have learned? That Hot Russian Brides is one of the largest scams in the industry.
Rodney, if you are fishing from a sea full of sharks, your going to catch a shark? Rodney, if your dealing with two of the largest scam agencies in the industry, your going to get scammed?
Now think about it Rodney, really, what you should have said was this, Stupid men are going to get scammed while searching for a Russian woman. And no one would argue with you Rodney, you would have proven your point quite well.
After getting scammed by Anastasiascamweb and Hot Russian Brides you gave up your search. You made two trips. You met two scam woman. You went half way around the world to meet two scam woman. Not too smart Rodney.
According to you Rodney with Latin girls you have had the best of luck. These Latin girls are serious about marriage no matter how young they are :evil:. The few scammer Latin girls you met were honest to you about their intentions of scamming you, and you appreciated that. :clapping:
The girl that your dating now (your fiancée who is 18 years younger) you see and talk to each other every day via video cam BUT you are STILL looking through the Latin sites to check out all the new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women!!!! WHY? You have a fiancée! You Rodney, in addition to being a troll, are also a [term removed]. :burnedup:
I knew we had some scumbags seeking Russian women and now I know their is at least one [term removed] seeking Latin women. Shame on you Rodney. Does your fiancée know about this site? Does she know you are still looking at new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women?
You have now made 7 trips to see Latin women. Rodney, what's the problem here?
By your own words you have about a 90% chance of finding a good looking Latin woman that fits all your desired requirements of the type of woman you want to marry. Your telling us these are wonderful women, you write "My Latin women search was very successful" you have made 7 trips, have a fiancée and your still checking out the new super hot mostly all for real and sincere women!!! Something's not adding up Rodney.
Jack - I believe Rodney lives right there close to you. Do you know him?
Rodney - as you can see, there are some of our members who are offended at your assertions. Are you a troll Rodney? If you are unfamiliar with that term - maybe just answer this - as you know RWD is the preeminent source of information for men and women currently in, or seeking, cross-cultural relationships with a partner from the Former Soviet Union. Why then, would you come here and make ridiculous accusations unless you are simply trying to create a negative reaction?
For those who do not know, Jack and I both 'grew up' on the Planet-Love forums. At PL, they had specific forums for each of three major geographical regions - Asian, Latin American, and Russian. Most of the time members of each forum pretty much kept to their area of interest, but occasionally we would get someone trying to create problems by claiming women from one geography were superior to another - usually it was the Latin guys taking swipes at the Russian guys. The common response was to do, as Jack has done, and call out the person for being a simple trouble-maker.
Is Rodney a "troll"? I don't know - he might be. That is why I have asked the question directly and unequivocally.
Finally - Jack, use of pejorative terms such as "scumbag" are considered name-calling, and are not allowed. I will be editing your post to remove such terms. Please do not require me to spend time cleaning up this sort of thing in the future, or next time I will remove your post in its entirety no matter if it has other value.
- Dan
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All I can say is .. Thank God I was a desperate and dumb guy !! 8)
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So how do you guys read my posts that I wrote a year or so ago on RWF and think I'm now coming to this site as a troll to tell the rest of my story in searching for a foreign wife ? On RWF I have never mentioned anything about Latin women . I tell my story on this site of my great success and luck with searching Latin women only to give the still single men a good alternative to have a much better scammer-free search for a wife. The only reason I didn't post on RWF is because RWF has almost closed down .
You guys are not reading my words closely enough so let me clue you in by spoon-feeding it to you again. My post has nothing to do with you guys who have already found someone and it has everything to do with the guys who are searching the VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U WOMEN .
Again, I said that a man has to be desperate and dumb to search a R/U woman on the INTERNET if your looking for a woman who is VERY ATTRACTIVE and of a YOUNGER AGE . Searching attractive R/U women on the intenet ,I would guess that for every man that does meet a very attractive sincere woman that is real , 1000 men only get scammed or attempted scammed again and again time after time. Does anyone know of a bigger scam on this earth ? Besides religion . R&U are the major scam capitals on this earth. No other type of scam on this earth is more infested with scammers than single R/U women on the internet . RLM & AW are two very good example sites that have very well proved that many very attractive real women are in business to scam men . Joining RLM was the best thing that could have happened to me because they finally showed me that searching VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U WOMEN on the INTERNET are a almost total scam no matter if they are real are not. . I don't think there is any other type of scam on this earth that is more mob organized , sophisticated and successful to have scammed thousands and thousands and thousands of men out of many many millions of $. So for me to say that about 90% of the VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U women on the INTERNET are scams/scammers is a good educated guess.
At this point and time the very attractive Latin women on the 2 sites I mentioned seem to be for the most part real, sincere and serious about finding their soul-mate. And the few Latin scammers/scams I did encounter were very amature and unsophisticated unlike the very professional always perfecting R/U scams. No doubt Latin woman scams/scammers will become more and more like R/U scammers/scams. But as much as RLM is trying to establish a Latin scam market they seem to be having a lot of trouble recruiting Latin chatting whores which I think says something good about searching Latin women.
Out of all the real Latin women I had a good bit of corresponded with very few acted like a pro dater best I could determine. I'm sure there is a lot of them out there or will be some day but I had good luck way beyond what I expected to have. MSN and the web cam were the best tools for me to weed out scammers and insincere women.
I searched R/U women 4-5 years ON AND OFF or in-between the local women I dated . One local girl I dated for almost a year .I didn't make any more than 2 trips to R or U only because I couldn't ever meet a woman that was for sure real , very attractive and sincere about really liking me enough for me to go half way around the world to visit her. Also staying overnight in the no heat Donetsk airport during winter time really made me not want to take much of a chance of making a very stupid mistake again in going to see a girl that was a scammer/scam. And there is no information on this web-site or any other scammer web site( that I could find) that could have prevented me or any other man from knowing this girl was a scammer. It was a perfect scam that any man wouldn't have realized until he got there. Even with the 10 commandments info.
I don't still look at other girls for something better and I absolutely have never ever thought about contacting anyone while with my gf . I occasionally look at very attractive women in a harmless way just as my gf still goes out to discos to drink and dance. A few times when we're online I've sent her a link to a Latin site to show her good sites for her friends to use to find a man .Also to show her what I know about the online dating scene and what's out there as we discuss this topic. I showed her RLM to tell her how many men only get scammed. On a Latin site that we visited she has asked me which girl I think is the prettiest as she knows I love to look at beautiful women just for the beauty .Of course anything more than a glance at another women when we are together will get me into trouble as it should. She also has an eye for some beautiful women such as Fergi. She knows I still have some Latin friends on MSN that may say hi to me ever once in a while .This has happened several times while I'm online/web cam talking with my gf. She also has some foreign male friends on MSN that will say hi to her occasionally when were are online and I couldn't care less about it . The other day I got my gf some high school Spanish teacher teaching info. from a local Peruvian girl that I had met on LAC and dated a couple times. So what Jack thinks he knows about me and how relationships should be really makes him look like an idiot for judging me without knowing me and my relationship situation with my gf..
Bill, you saying I'm a troll hyping LAC that already advertises on this site really makes you look like a dumb ass just as you were for going to meet a girl who is known to be a scammer and prostitute. See Sandro's double dealers list case #52 .
I looked on LAC's sister site Russianeurocupid and saw several profiles I know are scammer profiles . So I sure wouldn't recommend this site as it seems to be just as infested with scammers as most R/U sites are. The scammers I did report on LAC and LE were all deleted so they do try to do a good job to keep their site as scammer free as they can .
Any man who search foreign women over local women is desperate . I'm desperate because I know I have a much better chance to get a very attractive younger wife. And of course I must also have all the other good qualities of a woman to go with her good looks and younger age . Any other reason you guys may have for only searching R/U women is probably listed under the topic "101 ridiculous reason to marry a R/U woman". I forget which site it's on .
Searching the YOUNGER VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U WOMEN on the INTERNET is just as stupid as Bush saying he looked into Putin's eyes and saw an honest man.
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Rodney, I think that you did not read the message.
Also I think you are doing the Latina women a great service by educating them about scamming.
If in a few years those sites will be infested with scammers, we know who to thank.
Try not to project your own stupidity and desperation on to others.
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Well, my girl is young (24) and very attractive (at least i think so) and I found her on the Internet.
Maybe I was just lucky or maybe i was just dumb and desperate? 8)
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So how do you guys read my posts that I wrote a year or so ago on RWF and think I'm now coming to this site as a troll to tell the rest of my story in searching for a foreign wife ? On RWF I have never mentioned anything about Latin women . I tell my story on this site of my great success and luck with searching Latin women only to give the still single men a good alternative to have a much better scammer-free search for a wife. The only reason I didn't post on RWF is because RWF has almost closed down .
You guys are not reading my words closely enough so let me clue you in by spoon-feeding it to you again. My post has nothing to do with you guys who have already found someone and it has everything to do with the guys who are searching the VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U WOMEN .
Again, I said that a man has to be desperate and dumb to search a R/U woman on the INTERNET if your looking for a woman who is VERY ATTRACTIVE and of a YOUNGER AGE . Searching attractive R/U women on the intenet ,I would guess that for every man that does meet a very attractive sincere woman that is real , 1000 men only get scammed or attempted scammed again and again time after time. Does anyone know of a bigger scam on this earth ? Besides religion . R&U are the major scam capitals on this earth. No other type of scam on this earth is more infested with scammers than single R/U women on the internet . RLM & AW are two very good example sites that have very well proved that many very attractive real women are in business to scam men . Joining RLM was the best thing that could have happened to me because they finally showed me that searching VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U WOMEN on the INTERNET are a almost total scam no matter if they are real are not. . I don't think there is any other type of scam on this earth that is more mob organized , sophisticated and successful to have scammed thousands and thousands and thousands of men out of many many millions of $. So for me to say that about 90% of the VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U women on the INTERNET are scams/scammers is a good educated guess.
At this point and time the very attractive Latin women on the 2 sites I mentioned seem to be for the most part real, sincere and serious about finding their soul-mate. And the few Latin scammers/scams I did encounter were very amature and unsophisticated unlike the very professional always perfecting R/U scams. No doubt Latin woman scams/scammers will become more and more like R/U scammers/scams. But as much as RLM is trying to establish a Latin scam market they seem to be having a lot of trouble recruiting Latin chatting whores which I think says something good about searching Latin women.
Out of all the real Latin women I had a good bit of corresponded with very few acted like a pro dater best I could determine. I'm sure there is a lot of them out there or will be some day but I had good luck way beyond what I expected to have. MSN and the web cam were the best tools for me to weed out scammers and insincere women.
I searched R/U women 4-5 years ON AND OFF or in-between the local women I dated . One local girl I dated for almost a year .I didn't make any more than 2 trips to R or U only because I couldn't ever meet a woman that was for sure real , very attractive and sincere about really liking me enough for me to go half way around the world to visit her. Also staying overnight in the no heat Donetsk airport during winter time really made me not want to take much of a chance of making a very stupid mistake again in going to see a girl that was a scammer/scam. And there is no information on this web-site or any other scammer web site( that I could find) that could have prevented me or any other man from knowing this girl was a scammer. It was a perfect scam that any man wouldn't have realized until he got there. Even with the 10 commandments info.
I don't still look at other girls for something better and I absolutely have never ever thought about contacting anyone while with my gf . I occasionally look at very attractive women in a harmless way just as my gf still goes out to discos to drink and dance. A few times when we're online I've sent her a link to a Latin site to show her good sites for her friends to use to find a man .Also to show her what I know about the online dating scene and what's out there as we discuss this topic. I showed her RLM to tell her how many men only get scammed. On a Latin site that we visited she has asked me which girl I think is the prettiest as she knows I love to look at beautiful women just for the beauty .Of course anything more than a glance at another women when we are together will get me into trouble as it should. She also has an eye for some beautiful women such as Fergi. She knows I still have some Latin friends on MSN that may say hi to me ever once in a while .This has happened several times while I'm online/web cam talking with my gf. She also has some foreign male friends on MSN that will say hi to her occasionally when were are online and I couldn't care less about it . The other day I got my gf some high school Spanish teacher teaching info. from a local Peruvian girl that I had met on LAC and dated a couple times. So what Jack thinks he knows about me and how relationships should be really makes him look like an idiot for judging me without knowing me and my relationship situation with my gf..
Bill, you saying I'm a troll hyping LAC that already advertises on this site really makes you look like a dumb ass just as you were for going to meet a girl who is known to be a scammer and prostitute. See Sandro's double dealers list case #52 .
I looked on LAC's sister site Russianeurocupid and saw several profiles I know are scammer profiles . So I sure wouldn't recommend this site as it seems to be just as infested with scammers as most R/U sites are. The scammers I did report on LAC and LE were all deleted so they do try to do a good job to keep their site as scammer free as they can .
Any man who search foreign women over local women is desperate . I'm desperate because I know I have a much better chance to get a very attractive younger wife. And of course I must also have all the other good qualities of a woman to go with her good looks and younger age . Any other reason you guys may have for only searching R/U women is probably listed under the topic "101 ridiculous reason to marry a R/U woman". I forget which site it's on .
Searching the YOUNGER VERY ATTRACTIVE R/U WOMEN on the INTERNET is just as stupid as Bush saying he looked into Putin's eyes and saw an honest man.
Rodney,
Unlike other forums, this one enjoys the added perspective of having Planet-Love.com as our 'sister' site and we have plenty of opportunity to compare scamming activity between Russian and Latin (and Asian) geographies.
It strikes me that your presence here is aimed more at creating rancor than anything else. If true, that is considered trollish behavior and is not allowed.
Please look for a PM from me.
- Dan
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Maybe NOT trollish. The subject seems relevant to me.
I flipped over Russian / Eastern European women after my divorce. I dated many when I was re-adjusting to single life. There is so much to fall totally in love with in woman from Eastern Europe... but it does not come so easy for most American men. And Eastern European ladies - especially Russian girls that have choices and resources (these are the only type of girls I personally know) can be just as much of a handful as their American counterpart - albeit with a different psychological base of operation.
I live most of my time now in the DR, Punta Cana. This is a MAJOR tourist attraction for Europe and yes Russia. I meet many new girls every week. Meeting people on vacation ... you mostly see the fun side. Even then, it is hard not to notice the Russian temperament. I have found absolutely that a man must behave differently to truly win the attention of a high quality Russian woman with choices. (Is there such a thing as the "Russian Woman Whisperer?).
I understand that one could draw the conclusion that this group has a distant and cold inner world. But that is only because the woman has not truly embrace you - she has not let you in.
I also understand how one could draw the conclusion that Latin women are warm, subservient, and loyal. They are. But that comes with a price too. Latin women do not trust and all have "abandonment issues." I have not met one Latin woman that raises to the level of "Very Smart" intellectually. Commonly, the Russian girls I meet raise to this level.
Latin women cater to the man like crazy. They will spoil you. Russian women are strong as nails. They just as easily could be the male in our species (I think they would do a better job).
So, I am going to Colombia again next week. Still, I have not traveled to Eastern Europe. But I am working on a deal that would take me to Romania often. Then, I may have more information to contribute. I think that the Latin alternative is worthy of exploration for sure.
SCAMS almost always occur because the man is not qualified (Qualified means many things. If you get taken a a car dealer, you are not a qualified consumer ... get the idea?) to be courting international women.
One last point. It takes ALOT of time to know another culture. It takes ALOT of time to be accepted as something more than a stupid ass tourist. I think most men assume that just because they jumped their ass on a plane, that makes them different. NO! From the women's perspective, that makes you the same:)
If your meet a woman from a different country, and you become serious, ask her to take you to her grandparent's, parent's, or relatives house in the provinces. Live in the real world that the woman comes from for a couple of days ... until you stop thinking to yourself "God, how do people live this way?" When you reach the point where you see the positives aspects of this simple but poor life, I doubt anyone would have to worry about the SCAM word.
You can not shop and buy a woman. No matter what you say, the "one week wonder," and the "agency model" facilitates this artificial thinking. It takes time and effort to make it real.
BTW - what's wrong with the "goodwife" site?
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Still, I have not traveled to Eastern Europe. But I am working on a deal that would take me to Romania often.
IMHO the difference between Romanian girls and Russian girls is somethink like Portuguese and English (though both are Western European).
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Let Me tell you a little secret...........women aare women... no matter where they were born....make no mistake about it and we come in many shapes, color and sizes...
He didn't like the casserole
And he didn't like my cake.
He said my biscuits were too hard...
Not like his mother used to make.
I didn't perk the coffee right
He didn't like the stew,
I didn't mend his socks
The way his mother used to do.
I pondered for an answer
I was looking for a clue.
Then I turned around and smacked the shit out of him...
Like his mother used to do.
:cluebat: git it?
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MaMa D ... always bringing a cup of wisdom:)
Of course you are right. And to that degree almost all of this is splitting hairs.
But there are important differences too, and many can be well applied to region and culture. These can enrich, or handicap any relationship.
Do you think an average American man is the same as an average Russian man? Do you think an average Colombian man is the same as the average American man?
Some would say yes and no to both of these questions. I think there are important cultural differences a person much understand before they commit themselves to a foreign culture (This can be for business, pleasure, of finding a wife or husband).
It is very true, however, we certainly make things to complicated. Another unique trait of an American man, No?
CIAO
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Maybe NOT trollish. The subject seems relevant to me.
So, I am going to Colombia again next week. Still, I have not traveled to Eastern Europe. But I am working on a deal that would take me to Romania often. Then, I may have more information to contribute. I think that the Latin alternative is worthy of exploration for sure.
First I don't consider you a troll at all, you have made many posts in the past.
You noted a number of things between RW and CW but missed the some of the physical ones. Although I like women both short and tall, there are very few women in Columbia taller than 5' 4" (162 cm), or with gray, green, light brown or blue eyes. Accents are very different. Spanish is a thousand times easier to learn than Russian.
Good luck on your trip !!!
Bill
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So how do you guys read my posts that I wrote a year or so ago on RWF and think I'm now coming to this site as a troll to tell the rest of my story in searching for a foreign wife ?
Bill, you saying I'm a troll hyping LAC that already advertises on this site really makes you look like a dumb ass just as you were for going to meet a girl who is known to be a scammer and prostitute. See Sandro's double dealers list case #52 .
Rodney,
I didn't go to Russia to meet the woman on Sandro's list. I went to meet another woman and things didn't work out.
I had ONE meal with the woman on Sandro's list. She has said that her photos were stolen by the prostitute site and she also says she never lived in Moscow and I know for a fact she is much taller than she is listed on the prostitute site.
I have absolutely no problem at all with you looking at both RW and others and finding happiness with a CW. I do have
a problem with the title to the thread and calling most of the men on this site desperate and dumb. That is obviously incendiary, argumentative and inaccurate. There are very many intelligent and successful men at this site.
If your title said "I looked at RW but found happiness with a CW" and did not call most RW the names that you did, I would be the first to congratulate you on your success and the last to call you a troll.
Honestly I am happy that you found love and wish you success in the future.
Buena Suerte, good luck!
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Even with the 10 commandments info.
You followed these commandments with RLM?
Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.
Always get the lady's home address and home phone number as early as possible.
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I have not seen any extra ordinary scams in this pursuit, but may be I have not been around long enough.
I have an extensive business background and I have seen all kinds of scams.
With regard to some of the agencies, they may be, nothing new, many businesses have their share of scammers. One can find out which are and which are not.
With regard to individual RW, no one has ever asked me for any money; I have corresponded with over 100 RW to various levels.
Many women are coming to see me on their own dime in Kiev. I never pay anything to someone I have never met; the First Commandment posted here.
I delete long letters from women I have not written to without reading them. Someone who does not give her telephone number so that I can call is deleted promptly.
All my first meetings are for coffee. There is not much for her beyond a cup of coffee, at least at the outset. And she is not getting two nickels from me until I have met her in person, and decided to pursue further, at least not in this lifetime anyway. Now how hard is this rule to follow?
Even after I have met her and pursue her, she should be able to take care of her own expenses, if she is that destitute I will look elsewhere. FSU is full of educated, professional type women who can pay their own way.
So where is the scam? Would someone enlighten me please?
The first thing you learn in business is " Buyer Beware"; I have seen all kinds of scams. This pursuit is no more or no less prone to scammmers as any other business. Some basic precautions would protect the WM.
With regard to GCG, that is another story. My post here relates only to the searching phase.
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The original poster isn't a troll any more than the guy who goes to the Corvette list and posts that everyone who drives a Corvette is a stupid loser, that anyone with any sense obviously drives a Mustang. :cluebat:
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Definition of a Troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. you are a dumb ass) with no substance or relevance to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, etc.
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Rodney,
You quit too early. I can say it's a numbers game. If you go on 3-5 tours and meet 5-10 women each trip you will meet the right one. Good luck with your marriage, it will be the best two years of your life. If Jack calls you a troll, you are, he can see his own kind a mile away.
Ben Armen
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In my opinion, if someone has been searching for 5 years for a R/U woman and can't tell the difference from a serious woman and scammer ... then they are pretty dumb.
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I want to first say that I thank all of you who have answer my questions on this same thing. I want to say that if not for this and other sites I would have been one of the scammed. I had been emailing this lady for 7to8 mouths and she seamed to be real with what we would talk about and for 8 months you would think that she wouldn't wast time and because I had told her that I was not rich. But as we all know the money thing came up and even though I wanted to believe I just couldn't. And it isn't about the money ,money can be replace . Its about that the feelings and heart brake that you cant fix fast. I just had to tell this lady that this was not working and that I was not sending money . So I haven't heard from her since. So you see you just have to know when but were is when. You know I was thinking that if Rw scammers to 500.00 from 10 guys thats 5000.00 or 20 thats 10000.00 if only that for a month thats good money may be we should be doing but if this was done Daly just think they could be live better then most Americans. So Iam thankful for these sites and you people out there.
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But as we all know the money thing came up
Just out of curiosity, HOW did the "money thing" come up, i.e. what was her reason/excuse ?
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I am wondering, if you were planning on carrying a long term email relationship...
When did you plan to get your gear and go see this lady...
Did you think you could string this out forever and keep her on a sting?
Years ago, before Dick brought my Russian born daughter and grandson, "home",
My hard drive died and I went to the local library to read my mail.
There was a street person (sleeping bag and all) sitting beside me. All of a sudden he turned the air "BLUE" with reaction to an email he had received..... Turned out to be some lady on one of the Russian intro sites.....
After Irina came, all her mail was redirected to my mailbox...............what an education this old women got! :'(
I am a psychiatric nurse and counselor...... and thought I had heard it all......NOT!
Honest, these ladies are entitled to the best manners you can muster.......
Please do not shame us all, by your attempt to get your JOOLYS from erotic email.
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A little bit butt hurt?
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After 5 years of on and off searching for a wife from Russia/Ukraine, and 2 very miserable trips to Ukraine to meet what only turns out to be typical R/U woman scammers and their agency , I finally realized that only a very stupid desperate man would search R/U women. Sure some of you guys have got and or will get very lucky to find a good honest R/U woman but thousands and thousands of men just like me have only got and or will only get scammed into losing lots of $ and wasting lots of time again and again time after time after time.
So I haven't even bothered or cared to search any more R/U women for about a year now because Russian Love Match and Anastasia Web very well proved and have shown so well how much of an easy 90% of the more attractive R/U women on the Internet are just scams/scammers . Even if you do find a real sincere beautiful woman as I'm sure I did a few times you will most likely do as I did and turn her off and away from you because you can't just go hop on a plane to go see her until you know for sure she is real and sincere about trying to form a meaningful relationship with you that would hopefully lead to mirage. And she sure won't like you acting like a detective interrogating her to find out if she is for real or not .
Since I finally pulled my head out of my ass and wised up about R/U women on the internet and went totally Latin I had the best of luck way beyond my expectations with so many beautiful Latin women that were really and truly serious about marriage no matter how young and beautiful they were. I did correspond with a few women that were only looking for presents and a good time but they really didn't try to hide their intentions much at all. Latin scams/ women scammers were almost non existent in my search before I found my current gf-fiance. The reason for this seems to be that Latin women for the most part are more religious which seems to give them higher morals , better family and cultural values ,total dedication and loyalty to their man. I don't think any R/U woman would ever drag me into church just so she could give thanks to God for bringing me into her life. Two Latin girls did this to me even though they knew I'm totally not religious . All the Latin women I corresponded with really despised all the Latin men in their country as cheaters,beaters, drunks and lazy. Gringos are definitely unique and very desired with the Latin women and It sure nice to be noticed by a lot of Latin women on the internet and when I visited Brazil and Colombia .
You should know your really stupid and desperate to search R/U women when all the scammer web-sites on the whole Internet are about 99% R/U scams/scammers . :cluebat: The only so called Latin woman scammer site I was able to find is almost all about R/U scams/scammers . I'm sure there is a good bit of Latin scams/scammers going on but I had almost no problems what so ever probably because I stayed away from agencies and women who showed any kind of insincerity about showing me she was for real and wanting a serious relationship. At the beginning of my search , 2 women insisted that I must first show my-self on a web-cam. This really told me that I was now searching women who were for the most part real and very serious about finding their soul-mate.
The best Latin sites I used are latineuro and latinamericancupid. I really like LAC because the site has unlimited /unrestricted online chatting for $25 a month. Also I really like that the women will hide their profile when they are no longer available and many of them do this very soon which really shows how serious, honest and loyal to their man that they are . When I would chat with the girls many times we would go to MSN to chat , exchange photos and sometimes have a web cam/voice chat . Most of the time it was a very good connection to see and hear each other . The girl that I'm dating now also has high speed Internet and we see and talk to each other every day like we are sitting across the table from each other. There is absolutely no better way , besides in-person, to get to know each other this way to find out if we are compatible or not. If not for MSN , I really feel I would have wasted a lot more time with this other girl I had started a fiance visa with. On my MSN list at one time I had about 30 Latin women and several of them are now engaged or in a serious relationship .Further more I could easily get into 30 serious relationships with almost any good looking Latin woman before I could even find one ok looking for real R/U woman that is honest and really serious about a relationship with me that would hopefully lead to marriage . I estimate that I at best had about a 5% chance of finding a R/U woman that fit all my desired requirements of the type of woman that I want to marry . As to where I guess that I easily have about a 90% chance of finding a good looking Latin woman that fits all my desired requirements of the type of woman I want to marry. I now feel so stupid that I was really getting so desperate with R/U women by lowering so many of my requirements so low that would have absolutely no doubt led to a unhappy mirage that would for sure have failed .
Only an idiot would lump all women in two countries together.
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one of the things that the 49ers had to learn wuz to tell "Fool's Gold" from real Gold!!!
my first trip to the Yuba River in the Mother Lode, nearly gave me a heart attack
cuz when I climbed down to the river, I could see that gleaming gold specs were all OVER the bottom of the river
thought I wuz gonna be rich with this Gold Bonanza!!!
but unfortunately, those gold flakes are called "iron pyrite" aka Fool's Gold
real Gold OTOH, ain't found on the surface like that, cuz it's too dense
so ya gotta dig deep for it
whatcha learn in one domain can sometimes be applied to others
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After 5 years of on and off searching for a wife from Russia/Ukraine, and 2 very miserable trips to Ukraine to meet what only turns out to be typical R/U woman scammers and their agency , I finally realized that only a very stupid desperate man would search R/U women. Sure some of you guys have got and or will get very lucky to find a good honest R/U woman but thousands and thousands of men just like me have only got and or will only get scammed into losing lots of $ and wasting lots of time again and again time after time after time.
So I haven't even bothered or cared to search any more R/U women for about a year now because Russian Love Match and Anastasia Web very well proved and have shown so well how much of an easy 90% of the more attractive R/U women on the Internet are just scams/scammers.
The guy went about it all wrong so he figures it must be the women of two entire country's at
fault (millions of women) rather than him.
Next he will say that he joined Asian Only fans, as a result all Asians are slutty scammers
with piercings and tattoos!