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The Daily Star isn't known for it's super accurate, unbiased reporting of the News.

Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine' claims Kremlin insider
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-has-given-order-russia-27686367
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2022, 09:47:48 AM »
I doubt this story.

A nuclear strike is the one thing that does trigger required action by USA under the Budapest Memorandum.
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2022, 10:49:04 AM »
ya’ll need to pay attention to Putin’s far-eastern war game at the end of this month
cuz it’ll tell ya the size of Russia’s future deployment in Ukraine
just like the past “vostok drill” told ya the size of the initial Ukraine deployment

at the same time, Putin is preparing a further strategy of destabilizing Ukraine even more
by shutting down power plants in Zaporizhzhya and to the west
combined with termination of all gas through Ukraine and seizure of Ukrainian coal fields
and attacking Ukrainian transportation and agricultural infrastructure

Russia will be like a giant python squeezing the life out of Ukraine leading to Holodomor 2.0
then, they will target Zelensky and those around him for liquidation with a raketa
to be replaced by pro-Russian politicians
leading the Ukrainian government to surrender…

then Russians who worked with Trump/Manafort in 2016, will work to boost the Republican pro-Russia caucus in 2024…
while working with Iran to create a crisis in the middle-east to inflate oil prices

there are many ways for Russia to use nukes in Ukraine
most likely would be for Russia to detonate a very precise high altitude nuclear burst used as an EMP weapon
that destroys all the western hi-tech weaponry and communications, drones, etc
leaving no radiation, or even a broken window on the ground, nor affecting surrounding territory
while brokering a deal with China and Iran, to "stir things up"
Iran could announce it's first nuclear test during this time and china do something similar
making it VERY unlikely USA will escalate militarily in Ukraine
cuz it won't be able to convince Germany and others to go "all in"
and the American military is a shadow of its former self
only able to play defense in Europe and not offense
while Russia is undermining the Biden administration at home
to reduce support for more involvment in Ukraine
Trump supporters are all in favor of Russia succeeding in Ukraine
look at how much CPAC is embracing fascism
Russians will help direct American fascism
just like Germany did before Pearl Harbor



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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2022, 04:12:58 PM »
The Daily Star isn't known for it's super accurate, unbiased reporting of the News.

Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine' claims Kremlin insider
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-has-given-order-russia-27686367
LOL. The west have no Kremlin insiders, the level of intelligence is deplorable.

Have a look at the number of legit leaks since February from the west. Zero, zip, nada. On the other hand Russia have Ukrainian moles in every oblast. Some suspected double agents have been arrested or executed.

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2022, 04:24:49 PM »
There are always moles in foreign governments.  The fact you think there are not suggests the Kremlin moles are successful.


There are Ukrainian spies within the Russian intelligence service as well.  The fact Russian spies are caught on Ukrainian soil suggests this is the case.
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2022, 03:36:43 AM »
ya’ll need to pay attention to Putin’s far-eastern war game at the end of this month
cuz it’ll tell ya the size of Russia’s future deployment in Ukraine
just like the past “vostok drill” told ya the size of the initial Ukraine deployment

at the same time, Putin is preparing a further strategy of destabilizing Ukraine even more
by shutting down power plants in Zaporizhzhya and to the west
combined with termination of all gas through Ukraine and seizure of Ukrainian coal fields
and attacking Ukrainian transportation and agricultural infrastructure

Russia will be like a giant python squeezing the life out of Ukraine leading to Holodomor 2.0
then, they will target Zelensky and those around him for liquidation with a raketa
to be replaced by pro-Russian politicians
leading the Ukrainian government to surrender…

then Russians who worked with Trump/Manafort in 2016, will work to boost the Republican pro-Russia caucus in 2024…
while working with Iran to create a crisis in the middle-east to inflate oil prices

there are many ways for Russia to use nukes in Ukraine
most likely would be for Russia to detonate a very precise high altitude nuclear burst used as an EMP weapon
that destroys all the western hi-tech weaponry and communications, drones, etc
leaving no radiation, or even a broken window on the ground, nor affecting surrounding territory
while brokering a deal with China and Iran, to "stir things up"
Iran could announce it's first nuclear test during this time and china do something similar
making it VERY unlikely USA will escalate militarily in Ukraine
cuz it won't be able to convince Germany and others to go "all in"
and the American military is a shadow of its former self
only able to play defense in Europe and not offense
while Russia is undermining the Biden administration at home
to reduce support for more involvment in Ukraine
Trump supporters are all in favor of Russia succeeding in Ukraine
look at how much CPAC is embracing fascism
Russians will help direct American fascism
just like Germany did before Pearl Harbor

Interestingly the US will have their Presidential & Government Elections roughly the same time as we in the UK have our General Election in late 2024. That's assuming of course our General Election isn't called much earlier, perhaps it should but I doubt that will be the case. Trump I hear has made noises about running again but has yet not officially declared he is in as I understand it. To date he has last been spotted flushing notes down his toilet :ROFL:

The heads up about Russia' far east war games is good info Krim. I wouldn't mind betting though that they call it off as it's really a waste of money and ties up armaments they need in Ukraine if indeed they have anything much in the. way if armaments to put to the test which aren't just pitiful & embarrassing. Possibly they might turn it into a big training exercise for new recruits before bussing them to the front in Ukraine. At this juncture it looks like China's eyes are firmly fixed on Taiwan luckily for Putin. Russia having nukes though will likely mean they keep out of Russia is my guessing.

In Ukraine it looks like the battle for Kherson is building. Russia is sending many of its trips from the Donbas there. It's really down to whether & when Ukraine will move in. I wouldn't mind betting they hold off if they can't get an easy in and instead just pick away at Putlers forces with the HIMARS. It's tying up Russian forces by doing so, so holding off isn't a bad move. I personally think counter attacking in the Donbas would be a better option. Putlers has moved forces away to Kherson weakening his position there plus there are already two largely destroyed cities so easier to move to without risking mass devastation & civilian casualties since that has already occurred.

So basically down to Ukraine to play their hand now it seems or risk losing the opportunity to counter and falling into a dug in stagnation of the war I reckon.
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2022, 10:01:59 AM »
“LOL. The west have no Kremlin insiders, the level of intelligence is deplorable.”



no, it isn’t…
that’s NOT how intelligence works AT ALL!

Since you don’t read very much, I’d suggest you watch the recent movie “Midway”
it explains intelligence, to someone on your “level”

the USA figured out the exact time and position of the Japanese fleet about to attack Midway
and set a trap that ended up destroying the Japanese carriers

you think they had spies in Hirahito’s inner circle?
No, as the movie explained, the picture of the enemy, is like a puzzle composed of 1,000 little pieces, that Intelligence assembles into a complete picture…

the USA knew MORE about Putin’s plans than Putin’s inner circle did!
this is why the USA setup refugee camps in Poland WAY before the invasion happened

if you like Russia so much, I suggest you go there, and stand somewhere in a public place
and hold up a blank empty sign, and see what happens to you


I wouldn't mind betting though that they call it off as it's really a waste of money

Nyet!  Putin trusts the military much less than in February
the exercise is to see how well the deployment will go and prepare all the village boys for action
just like Vostok

when the war switches to Holodomore tactics, Ukraine and the West won't really have a defense against it
so Putin will pivot to this direction

the one consistant thing about Russia, is their predictability
and their limited repertoire of "actions"

mass starvation
mass deportation
throwing their reserves into a winter offensive
blame the West
etc, etc

Interestingly the US will have their Presidential & Government Elections roughly the same time as we in the UK have our General Election in late 2024

less than 2 months before JFK's assasination, Oswald met with Valery Vladimirovich Kostikov in Mexico City, Kostikov was a KGB specialist in political assination
in 2016, paul manfort gave crucial information to Konstantin Kilimnik a GRU specialist in disrupting elections

Russians ALWAYS have local assistance


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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2022, 02:57:07 PM »
then Russians who worked with Trump/Manafort in 2016, will work to boost the Republican pro-Russia caucus in 2024…
while working with Iran to create a crisis in the middle-east to inflate oil prices

look at how much CPAC is embracing fascism
Russians will help direct American fascism
just like Germany did before Pearl Harbor

The Russians who worked with Trump were figments of Hillary Clintons
imagination. 100% of the Russian hoax collusion was proven to be fake
news.

Fascism is exclusively a left wing movement.

WWII Germany had a government that was to the left of FDR but
to the right of Stalin. Similar to the sweet spot that Bernie Sanders/AOC
aspire to have.

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2022, 03:04:54 PM »
Russians ALWAYS have local assistance

The sneaky Russians tricked Hillary to not campaign in Pennsylvania and
they convinced young people who voted for Obama to sit out the election
this time. Dems are soooooo... easily duped.

Did you mean to tie this all together with UFO's, JFK, bigfoot and the Loch
Ness Monster?



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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2022, 04:08:19 PM »
“100% of the Russian hoax collusion was proven to be fake news.”



Proven by who, Alex Jones? After he proved that democrats staged the Sandy Hook school shooting?

Yeahhhhh, right!!! LOL

no Beel, all the evidence of KNOWN Russian collusion with "team Trump", are in OFFICIAL US court records as a result of FBI investigations
and all VERY EASILY accessible to you on Google

your evidence?
show us….
Otherwise your claim is COMPLETE nonsense
derived from tin-foil hat wearing demagogs who do it for profit, like Alex Jones and Faux News

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change a few words in Fritz Kuhn’s speech, and it would fit in entirely today with the far right GOP "Christian Nationalists"
you can watch his speech on youtube

is THIS who YOU are Beel?
sad...

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2022, 05:34:23 PM »
There are always moles in foreign governments.  The fact you think there are not suggests the Kremlin moles are successful.


There are Ukrainian spies within the Russian intelligence service as well.  The fact Russian spies are caught on Ukrainian soil suggests this is the case.
LMAO.

Show me one leak uncovered in the west from a "Kremlin insider" since February 24. Just one.

The intelligence prior to that time was from satellite images not from a Kremlin insider.

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2022, 06:16:43 PM »
The point is, successful moles remain that way because their information doesn’t become part of the public domain. Are you being naive, or purposely obtuse?
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2022, 10:44:49 PM »
I get it. The proof of Kremlin insiders is that there's no proof. Awesome. Yet when I look at other military capabilities and responses of the US and EU I see a level of ineptitude that doesn't give much confidence that there's any effective intelligence gathering in Russia (that is material to changing the course of the conflict).

So is ded moroz or sneznaya koroleva the mole you speak of?

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2022, 11:09:12 PM »

Fascism is exclusively a left wing movement.

WWII Germany had a government that was to the left of FDR but
to the right of Stalin. Similar to the sweet spot that Bernie Sanders/AOC
aspire to have.

Have you been doing drugs, Bill?   Because that is so wrong and absolute BS that it isn't funny.

Fascism is ALWAYS right wing.  Socialism is left wing.

Socialism is state ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with state regulation of such.

Fascism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government regulation.

Capitalism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with private oversight/regulation.

WWII Germany had private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government oversight.  That is what made Germany fascist.

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2022, 11:12:19 PM »
I get it. The proof of Kremlin insiders is that there's no proof. Awesome. Yet when I look at other military capabilities and responses of the US and EU I see a level of ineptitude that doesn't give much confidence that there's any effective intelligence gathering in Russia (that is material to changing the course of the conflict).

So is ded moroz or sneznaya koroleva the mole you speak of?
Have you ever heard of  John Anthony Walker?  He successfully spied for the Soviets for almost 2 decades. His secrets had a devastating effect on the US navy, and resulted in the Soviet navy using advanced American technology to improve their own navy. He was only caught when his ex wife reported him.

You can believe what you wish, but the reality is that successful spies’ secrets don’t make the front page. Only a rube would assume otherwise.
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2022, 07:55:32 AM »
I get it. The proof of Kremlin insiders is that there's no proof. Awesome. Yet when I look at other military capabilities and responses of the US and EU I see a level of ineptitude that doesn't give much confidence that there's any effective intelligence gathering in Russia (that is material to changing the course of the conflict).

So is ded moroz or sneznaya koroleva the mole you speak of?


How do you think the Ukrainians were able to capture all the kill teams Putin sent into Ukraine to kill Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials? Someone in the FSB alerted Ukraine.  :cluebat:
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2022, 11:49:19 AM »
Looks like the HIMARS are having a real crippling effect on the Russian military. Apparently the UK is going to send some additional advanced weapons to Ukraine also:

http://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-longer-range-missiles-sent-by-uk-and-us-are-making-russia-change-tactics-12670669

All just a case of see what happens next, if Russia breaks. If I were Ukraine I would use the HIMARS now to target as many Russian concentrations of troops as possible all at once and continuous for a few days, see if they can make the whole Russian Army break and run!
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Russian collusion hoax
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2022, 05:15:35 PM »
“100% of the Russian hoax collusion was proven to be fake news.”

Proven by who, Alex Jones? After he proved that democrats staged the Sandy Hook school shooting?

Yeahhhhh, right!!! LOL

New York Times
NYT’s Bret Stephens Becomes First Corporate Media Figure To Acknowledge
Russian Collusion Was A ‘Hoax’
http://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/bret-stephens-trump-voters.html?partner=IFTTT


How about NPR?
Arrest of Steele dossier source forces some news outlets to reexamine their coverage

http://www.npr.org/2021/11/12/1055030223/the-fbi-arrests-a-key-contributor-to-efforts-trying-to-link-trump-with-russia


How about Robby Mook, Hillary's campaign manager testifying under oath that
it was a campaign dirty trick.


Prosecutors asked Mr. Mook about his role in funneling the Alfa Bank claims
to the press. Mr. Mook admitted the campaign lacked expertise to vet the
data, yet the decision was made by Mr. Mook, policy adviser Jake Sullivan
(now President Biden’s national security adviser), communications director
Jennifer Palmieri and campaign chairman John Podesta to give the Alfa Bank
claims to a reporter. Mr. Mook said Mrs. Clinton was asked about the plan
and approved it. A story on the Trump-Alfa Bank allegations then appeared
in Slate, a left-leaning online publication.
read all about it here
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2022, 05:29:19 PM »
none of what you wrote has any bearing on the FBI's investigations AT ALL
and none are court based produced under oath...

an opinion piece is your evidence?
good grief

wait till you find out what the recent FBI raid on Trump was all about, LOL...
again, court documents vrs an opinion piece on something I don't even consider "evidence" in the first place...

why not quote your uncle charley, who said Trump was innocent during Thanksgiving?




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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2022, 05:37:25 PM »
Fascism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government regulation.

With government HEAVY regulation= Modern Democratic Party Move one step
to the left and you get socialism, move another step to the left and you get Communism.

Facism is ONLY one step to the right of Socialism.
 

Capitalism is private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with private oversight/regulation.

WWII Germany had private ownership of goods and services, and the means of producing them, with government oversight.  That is what made Germany fascist.

Nazi Germany controlled private businesses. Telling then what to build
and how much, just like FDR did with Ford, GM and many others. That's
what made them fascist. Government oversight does not include telling
private industry to build tanks. That is EXACTLY where the far left Dem's
want to be.

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2022, 09:52:48 AM »
Article on Washington’s warnings of invasion.

http://archive.ph/nsxEt

But we’ve been told the US has no spies in Russia.
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2022, 04:13:29 PM »

Article on Washington’s warnings of invasion.
http://archive.ph/nsxEt
But we’ve been told the US has no spies in Russia.
The story from the UA web sites is quite different.
http://fakty.com.ua/ua/ukraine/20220811-u-nyh-bulo-dva-plany-arestovych-znav-pro-vtorgnennya-rosiyi-v-ukrayinu-shhe-voseny/

Video tells when Ukraine was first sure of an attack.   Attack was delayed several times by Russia.
7:35 mark tells response (English CC available)
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2022, 08:41:53 PM »
But we’ve been told the US has no spies in Russia.
For a lawyer you have a hard time reconciling words.

LOL. The west have no Kremlin insiders, the level of intelligence is deplorable.
The intelligence prior to that time was from satellite images not from a Kremlin insider.
Russia is a lot bigger than the Kremlin. I stand by my claim, the west have no Kremlin insiders providing meaningful intelligence related to this conflict.

Washington Post is USA's Pravda. Hardly a reliable source.

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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2022, 08:59:53 PM »
I think they do. An “insider” is very broadly defined. FSB analysts are “Kremlin insiders”.  The elite are “Kremlin insiders”.

The type of information Washington had, relatively early, could only have come from someone with a high security clearance.

The WP is an independent paper. A paper whose journalists brought down a president can hardly be referred to as “Pravda”.
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Re: Putin 'has given order for Russia to deploy nukes in Ukraine'
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2022, 04:57:36 AM »
I stand by my claim, the west have no Kremlin insiders providing meaningful intelligence related to this conflict.

How can you, or anyone, make such a claim ?

The very best insiders providing info to others are those who are never known or discovered in their lifetime.
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