Bored in Odessa...

[BetweenLines]

"The most beautifullwomen in the world" so I was told... ya ya ya... Where?

Jeze, I have been here for a dissapointing 24Hrs and Im bored out of my mind. I danced all night at an Arcadia club with a few different women but really nothing special...

I spent all day walking the center and maybe saw two or three hotties. Other than that, I am totally underwhelmed. I am thinking of kissing off the rest of the nights I have paid for this apartment and heading somewhere else.

I was keen to go to Nikolaev but I hear it is now Agency central with western guys all over the place. Perhaps I should go to detonetrovptrosk, yeah that one.

I was doing great in Kiev. I met a three really hot women, two on the street one in a club. One I spent all day with, One a go go dancer and the other engaged, but still gave me her number.

Here in Odessa I talked to one that was passable but she was going to Turkey. T

THe frigging clubs in the center are closed! Bernadazzi and Estralita both were highly reccomended are closed.

I took a quick look at the Adam and Eve agency girls... are you kidding me! If want to marry the back end of a bus I'll go to some small US town.

IO guess i could go to the beach tomorrow... Monday, not a great day for beach, even if I could figuree out where the good beach is (probably a 200 grivna taxi adventure each way)

and why don't these people smile?
They go out of their way to return a stoney face... men and women.

[topofthekey]

sorry you are having such a bad time man. maybe some guys can give you some suggestions on here for things to do.

for having a bad time or being bored- you seem to be meeting a lot of women. personally i heard kiev was the city where the women are more likely to be pros or wined and dined just because of the business center kiev has become.

hopefully you get out there and meet some girls you like via agency or whatever you end up doing. i think there are around 1 million people in Odessa. Maybe try going to a mall.

I know I don't speak the language which is why I am looking at Sofia myself to somewhat get around this. Maybe that is part of the problem?

[Kuna]

Betweenthelines,

I apologise for not remembering your preparation and am sorry to hear you're not having a great time.  A few comments that might help:

- Just like at home, if you're looking for a relationship I'd suggest spending less time in nightclubs
- MANY people go away for their holidays in summer.  IMHO it's not the best time of year for first trips - unless it's a WOVO to meet someone prearranged
- Don't be afraid of using agencies just because other men are in town. If you can't win a heart based on your best qualities (rather than a ladies lack of options) you'll be opening up a huge range of new risks once a lady immigrates
- Oh, if you didn't like "competition" I don't know why you went to Odessa.  From what I've heard it's an oft traveled location for WM seeking UW
- Your experiences in Kiev doesn't sound great to me if you are seeking a permanent relationship.  If you are, and it was, why not head back there to get to know some of them (maybe the go-go dancer) better?

Final comment...  the people will rarely (if ever) smile in public because there should be a reason to smile, shouldn't there?  If you're walking down the street with a big cheesy grin on your face they'll think you're crazy...  even when you're not.  They also won't farewell you with "Have a good day now" in a Gomer Pile voice...   

In all seriousness, based on that comment, unless it was written in jest, I'd suggest you have a serious think QUICKLY about your approach, plans, goals, cultural appreciation and other aspects that could be negatively impacting your trip.

If you're there in holiday mode to look, listen and learn about a new place fine... if you're really there to meet women with a potential of a LTR I'd suggest you need a quick rethink.

Kuna

[Shadow]

Guess what ? An American passport and a night in a club is not enough to get laid anymore.
If you are looking for a wife, will you be spending nights in clubs with her in the US ? And if not, why look there.
As for your observation of the streets, they are spot-on. However it depends on if you want to see women dressed to impress men, or just want to notice their natural looks.
I think you might pack up and move to Turkmenistan. Little competition there, and lots of women, although their dress might not be what you want. And sleeping with a camel would be a nice new experience. 

[2tallbill]

"The most beautifullwomen in the world" so I was told... ya ya ya... Where?

I spent all day walking the center and maybe saw two or three hotties. Other than that, I am totally underwhelmed.

Only 2 or 3 hotties?

Really?

Did you try the beach?
Were you an oil boy at Hef's?
Were you one of those body painters employed by Sports Illustrated
for the swim suit issue?

I am going to assume you're pulling a leg or two here, or maybe you like a certain
body type (like huge breasts) or something that isn't as common in Odessa as some
other places.

If you like attractive thin women with cute popka's then I can't imagine that you didn't find a plethora of them in Odessa.

and why don't these people smile?
They go out of their way to return a stoney face... men and women.

It's a cultural thing, before you get to know them then they don't smile much especially to strangers. Once you get to know someone then you will find that most  are very warm and friendly people.

Udachi,


Bill

[Gator]

Tweenthelines,

Kuna said everything I would say.

Like TooTallBill, I am puzzled by your not finding the UW attractive.  If you are looking for a woman with a big booty, you should have traveled to Latin America.

My suggestion - give Dnepropetrovsk a try.  Three agencies there are just dying to help you meet some women (for a price).  Also, you will be a short train ride from Kharkov, another active source for women.

Is "Go Go dancer" the same as in the 60s and 70s?  If so, you sure are not looking for much neuronic activity in your women.  Don't you want to have some interesting conversations when not humping.  You should try the cashiers at the various Walmart-like stores.

[Ooooops]

I was doing great in Kiev. I met a three really hot women, two on the street one in a club. One I spent all day with, One a go go dancer and the other engaged, but still gave me her number.

That's too funny...     What is the reason for your trip to Ukraine?   

As for people on the street not smiling back to you - it's a cultural thing, nothing personal.

[Jumper]

One a go go dancer and the other engaged, but still gave me her number

engaged and gave you her number..nice.
should be glad you went on to another city and not followed that girl up then..?

anyway -a 24 hour time frame isn't much to base impressions on?
..maybe you were expecting the streets to be lined with bo derek style 10's?

and sounds like a lot of folks may be gone on vacation ,since the prime clubs are closed?

i'm not sure you'd find Dnepropetrovsk (Knee PRo , pe Troah'sk )kharkov or Nikoleav any differen tthan odessa but perhaps?

want to see a country with an  inordinant amount  of beautiful women?
  visit iceland (true story)

 

[Ooooops]

..maybe you were expecting the streets to be lined with bo derek style 10's?

...constantly running in slow motion wearing wet swimsuit...   

[steviej]

...constantly running in slow motion wearing wet swimsuit...   

Ahh ... that finally explains it! I remember when I was in Kiev wondering why all the women were running in slow motion ... LOL I thought it was just cultural.

[BetweenLines]

God you guys are so serious about this. This is my first visit. Do you think it is likely I am going to meet Mrs Right on first visit? probably not.

Met a few guys here that gave me some good advice. One AM lives in Kharkov and advised the approach I am using. He never uses agencies. I tend to agree with that. The other used every agency in the country for five years and finally got married. I have never seen two people more bored.

I left Kiev cos the go go dancer might not bee good marriage potential... just a thought. But ALL of these 20 somthings are as flakey as so cal girls. I met another dynamite hottie in the Metro. She gave me her number and after a few days of calling with no answer finally tells me she is happy with her life and doesnt want a boyfriend.

Either she has a boyfriend or that is a true statement. At home a lot of WOMEN are afraid of "getting hurt" in relationships so aviod them.

This is a trip to experience the culture, not throw large amounts of money at agencies that seem to have a string of girls waiting by the telephone for yet another american sucker to pay their bills by dating them one at a time.

I think I am going to de pro prov de provstk. or maybe the Cirmea. I think sightseeing might be more fun than this. I am also considering Poltava.

As far as the women go. Most smoke, none smile and while they might have hot little bodies, they carry themselves with very little style or class. Perhaps I am asking too much for an underdevelped country, but I like a sophisticated woman that looks good. Someone that will keep me as interested in her by how she relates to the world as she does by how she relates to my body.

Yes there are plenty of 20 somethings with hot bodies clacking alpong the sidewalk in full knowledge that they can attract any man (for a few nights perhaps) but anything more than that is very very scarse.

The hottie I met that was engaged, now she was something. Interesting, spoke good english, had a good job, behaved impeccably and was solid 10. unfortunatly someone else beat me to the punch on that one.

Somehow I doubt I am going to find that in this city...

[Lit_1nce]

Met a few guys here that gave me some good advice. One AM lives in Kharkov and advised the approach I am using. He never uses agencies. I tend to agree with that. The other used every agency in the country for five years and finally got married. I have never seen two people more bored.

ok.. So you took the good advice of bored people.. and ended up bored ?

hmmm.

[Ooooops]

I used to be a hottie in my young days.   And I used to give the phone number of near-by laundry shop to guys who'd hit on me in subways or on the streets.   

[Shadow]

This is a trip to experience the culture, not throw large amounts of money at agencies that seem to have a string of girls waiting by the telephone for yet another american sucker to pay their bills by dating them one at a time.

As far as the women go. Most smoke, none smile and while they might have hot little bodies, they carry themselves with very little style or class. Perhaps I am asking too much for an underdevelped country, but I like a sophisticated woman that looks good. Someone that will keep me as interested in her by how she relates to the world as she does by how she relates to my body.

You state you are there for the culture, but at the same time looking for a woman that is marriage material. Perhaps you need to make up your own mind first. I wonder what you mean by style or class. Are you walking around in your Armani suit there ?
But probably looking in the mirror you would not see what the women on the street see...

[Majestic]

As far as the women go. Most smoke, none smile and while they might have hot little bodies, they carry themselves with very little style or class. Perhaps I am asking too much for an underdevelped country, but I like a sophisticated woman that looks good. Someone that will keep me as interested in her by how she relates to the world as she does by how she relates to my body.

I don't understand this quote at all. 

I my trips to Ukraine I have found the women to be exactly the opposite!
Most of the women are very feminine, and carry themselves with a great deal of style and class. Ukraine is a place where the term "Lady" is truly defined. 

In life you tend to see and find precisely what you are looking for; perhaps you have gotten into a negative frame a mind and now are only seeing things in a negative way? If this is the case, a change to a different city will not help unless you take on a more positive attitude. IMHO

And, I am sorry, but to claim that you can not find any attractive women in Odessa (in July!) is just plain silly. Odessa in the summer puts Huntington Beach to shame! 

[BetweenLines]

>Odessa in the summer puts Huntington Beach to shame!
I really don't think so. What I have seen here thus far, and admittedly I have only been here for two days, could not touch any of the beach cities on a saturday afternoon.

I think you guys have been looking at the websites too much. If those girls were on the streets then maybe I might agree with you. The point of this trip was to see for myself how reall all this hype is. In Kiev, it was good. Here it just isnt. Sorry but its not.

I find these women a little harsh in their nature. Perhaps this is a cutural thing, but I am underwhelmed with their femininity. They seem much more focused on the practical elements of life than any romantic notions of love.

I see the word "generous" in waaay too many profiles for this to be untrue. The way a woman walks (much less dances) gives away a great deal about how she relates to her body. Watch an Italian woman walk down the street in Rome. Its a symphony of movement. These girls (and I am generalising here of course) clack away like bangkok street whores. No Style, no finesse.

I am not saying ALL, I am saying in general. I have met afew that have all this and more, but in general, as I said, I am underwhekmed thus far.

Just went intot two agencies. Uuuurggh. God they are so slimey. I feel like I need a shower every time I leave. I flipped through their tatty folders and found maybe one that I would want to meet.

Tomorrow I am going to Nikolaev and then de knee pro pertovsk. we shall what they bring.

[Kuna]

Betweenthelines,

I'm only responding because it may help you save some time...  and may help other newbies in similar situations.

I think you guys have been looking at the websites too much. If those girls were on the streets then maybe I might agree with you. The point of this trip was to see for myself how reall all this hype is. In Kiev, it was good. Here it just isnt. Sorry but its not.

I can't comment on Odessa as I've not been there but you've hit on an important point....  The hype is not real.

There ARE many many beautiful women in Ukraine but we (Western Men) may not like to hear that not every UW is stunning and not all the ones who are will be the slightest bit interested in leaving their homeland.

I find these women a little harsh in their nature. Perhaps this is a cutural thing, but I am underwhelmed with their femininity. They seem much more focused on the practical elements of life than any romantic notions of love.

When you read things like, "You'll know when a RW likes you" you really can't appreciate it until you experience it.

It's been explained before that a Russian or Ukrainian will rarely (if ever smile) or joke with a stranger.  Yes, you can meet a woman and try to get her interest but even then you're unlikely to get a glimpse of her personality until you've won her trust.

It sounds like your trip isn't designed to build trust... Maybe just hit some bars and "check out the babes"...  That's fine, but don't expect to experience something you've not planned properly for.

Oh, as for them being focused on the practicalities of life... errr,  does that surprise you?  You may be on a holiday but if you're just skulking around the streets aren't you seeing women who ARE just going about "life"?

I'm surprised you actually think you could arrive in a city and get anywhere near close to meeting a woman with "romantic notions of love".......  Come on dude,  be honest with yourself and you'll find the truth.  At the moment you seem to be a little naive.  I'm not criticising you, I'm challenging you to get a bit of a clue!

I see the word "generous" in waaay too many profiles for this to be untrue.

If you haven't worked out what generous is it may take too long for it to sink in...  but you're right to beware of things written in agency profiles.  The only thing that matters is what actually happens between people when they meet, not so much the things they write about.  I'm a firm believer that you CAN learn something from what people write, but I always balance that with the need for face to face time.

btw... generous to you (and me) may make you automatically think of money...  a GOOD RW/UW looking for a generous man will actually mean generous with his time, thoughts, feelings, attention to her....  it's much more about chivalry than money.

The way a woman walks (much less dances) gives away a great deal about how she relates to her body. Watch an Italian woman walk down the street in Rome. Its a symphony of movement. These girls (and I am generalising here of course) clack away like bangkok street whores. No Style, no finesse.

I am not saying ALL, I am saying in general. I have met afew that have all this and more, but in general, as I said, I am underwhekmed thus far.

Well dude... I've gotta say I don't know who you are, what you expected, where you've been or what you're seeing, but if you're not seeing beautiful women moving with confidence, grace and poise, I don't know what you're doing wrong.

When meeting my wife one of the things that captivated me was the exact things you say you haven't seen... and I saw it in other women I saw too.

Just went intot two agencies. Uuuurggh. God they are so slimey. I feel like I need a shower every time I leave. I flipped through their tatty folders and found maybe one that I would want to meet.

Can't comment on agencies but I sympathise with you here... I imagine some would be or at least would feel slimey.  I used EM's and freepersonals.ru - but my approach was very different to yours.

Tomorrow I am going to Nikolaev and then de knee pro pertovsk. we shall what they bring.

My wife is from Dnepropetrovsk...  When you go there just spend some time in Moct (pronounced Moss-t) shopping centre.  If you don't see many beautiful women I'll know you're BS'ing us...

Take a walk through European Square and if it's not too hot you will again see several dropdead gorgeous women just going about their everyday routines.  If it is very hot it's also likely you'll just be repulsed by the number of people just hanging around drinking bottled beer.

Take a walk through some of the parks or down along the riverfront on the weekend...  again if you don't see many beautiful girls you might be better off staying home because we'll know (and you'll know) you're just not suited to FSUW.

It's seriously not for everyone but you're biggest challenge I see so far is more associated with you're comments on the lack of smiles...  etc.  It suggests to me you're not IN Ukraine,  you're standing on the edge OBSERVING what is happening around you.

Anyway, I hope it improves for you...

Kuna

[Ooooops]

I find these women a little harsh in their nature. Perhaps this is a cutural thing, but I am underwhelmed with their femininity. They seem much more focused on the practical elements of life than any romantic notions of love.

And you got to this conclusion in less than two days after talking to a "stripper and engaged-but-not-dead"?   

[groovlstk]

I find these women a little harsh in their nature. Perhaps this is a cutural thing, but I am underwhelmed with their femininity. They seem much more focused on the practical elements of life than any romantic notions of love.

This from a guy who finds a stripper and an engaged woman the only two worthwhile dating prospects.

Just went intot two agencies. Uuuurggh. God they are so slimey. I feel like I need a shower every time I leave. I flipped through their tatty folders and found maybe one that I would want to meet.pro pertovsk. we shall what they bring.

I'd be willing to bet the feeling is more than reciprocated.

[diverboy70]

I have a feeling that you have bought in to much of the "agency hype" too much. I spent three days in St: Petersburg, and yes there were a lot of beautiful women. But not like they were swarming the street! You saw some hottie now and then. Then I guess i missed a few since I mostely had my eyes on my own hotty!

I also had the feeling that they wont smile to any stranger, they often live a though life and are very street-smart! But as Kuna and many more have said. You will really know when they are into you!  

[Gator]

Tweensy,

If we were giving newbie travelers a report card, you would receive the following marks:
 “A+” for not behaving like a kid in a candy shop
 “D” for looking in all the wrong places

The most important point is that you made the trip unlike many men who study and read about RW and never make the trip.  Now that you are there, make the best of your trip.

Let’s examine the type of woman you like:

Perhaps I am asking too much for an underdevelped country, but I like a sophisticated woman that looks good. Someone that will keep me as interested in her by how she relates to the world as she does by how she relates to my body.

To elaborate, you said you met one such woman, already engaged, and described her as follows:

Interesting, spoke good english, had a good job, behaved impeccably and was solid 10.

Such does seem like a fine woman.  There are many others like her if you lower the requirement for a “10.”  You will find many 8's and 9's who are sophisticated (Ukraine and Russia may be transitioning yet they are not underdeveloped in many ways  such as education).  I wonder if they will like you, however.

You may find a “10” with a good heart, yet you are more apt to encounter trouble because these women have been spoiled by RM with lots of money.


Go go dancers should not be your hunting ground.  Actually, it would probably have been best that you searched thousands of profiles with listing agencies (freepersonals, bride.ru) and corresponded and talked with a few before making your trip.  I would have suggested that you start with women only from Moscow and perhaps St. Piter.

Too late for that now.   You still have some options: attend  a concert or walk through a museum, as I recall seeing single, classy looking women there.   Go to coffee shops and not bars, and look for a woman reading a book.

Try the local agencies.   Instead of surfing through their profiles, describe the type of woman you want and ask the agency for a suggestion.  Demand a high education.

So if this is indeed a fact-finding trip, do learn something.  Find an educated woman and spend some time talking with her even if she is not a “10”.  Discuss life in Ukraine, her friends, her job, etc.  If you have a sensitive side, you will learn more from talking with women than you will ever learn reading about them. 

[dogspot]

Odessa in the summer puts Huntington Beach to shame! 

Somehow, I doubt this. I live in HB and was down at the pier yesterday and the mix of hot European tourists with the smokin' local OC hotties in bikinis was a beautiful site. Seriously, I believe it is nearly impossible to put this to shame, unless you subtract the men, of course. 

[diverboy70]

  I would have suggested that you start with women only from Moscow and perhaps St. Piter.

Gator:

That is exactly what I would do today, if I would have to start over. I would probably do a VOWO again, its just my style, sorry

I would however go for the big cities, and the russiean ones There is a lot of ladies there and they are often very educated and a bit more sofisticated. I would not worry to much about the competition. Quite a few here has stated that if you are not sure your merits will suffice over there you could get a problem when you bring her home!

[BetweenLines]

Hmmm interesting feedback... and yes I have been stiring the pot a little to get some reactions...

I find it interesting that some of you decide that it must be my attitude rather than there genuinely being a lack of quality women. I came here to decide for myself what the people in general and the women in particular are like. I don't buy hype. I don't throw money at problem and expect a durable solution and I look for myself.

Yes I have some high standards, but jeeze after all the hype I have been reading for years and the endless international websites of not blond models I was expecting a little more from Odessa.

I am sure there are some great women here. Obviously some of you found them. I don't doubt that they exist, but my post was "where are they?"

To reiterate, Kiev was wonderful. A good proportion of the women I met everywhere were pretty hot and mostly genuinely very nice. I have a a profile on two local sites there in russian, but they are not really generating anything.

As for preparation, I have spent quite a bit of time on the international forums. I Have sent letters and expressions of interest, but it was quite obvious early on that I was not really writing to any of these women, but instead to an agency ghost writer.

Rather than waste money on that little game I decided to visit instead. I had a handfull of contacts to meet here, some dissapeared as expected once I announced my visit, the one in Dekneepropetrovsk has now informed me that she will not do anything outside of the agency as "she doesn't know me".. ya.

I have a couple more to meet in the east. I could go pay $100 a pop to just meet them (fee+interpreter+food, but call me suspicious, but I don't think so.

When I asked Mr Ousley what the meaning of "generous" was, he said it probably means what I think it means. Now he is the owner of an agency in Kiev. If he is telling me that these girls are looking for financial security, I would tend to believe that.

How well coupled with romantic love can that really be? Think about it. If the primary factor bringing you together with a woman is your ability to support her in the lifestyle to which she would like to become accustomed, how much is she really relating to you?

By the way, the profiles wax on and on about how they want a romantic relationship. Every one of them has chapter and verse on cosy home, children, trust, love, durability etc etc. I hardly think it is a stretch to say that they SEEM to be seeking romantic love.

If that were really true then I would expect to less focus on their financial requirements. What I am noticing, with obvious exceptions, is that this is not true.

If I meet a girl in the street and make her laugh and feel good enough to give me her number, then I know that she and I are actually relating to each other. If she later finds out that I meet her needs, then thats fine, but to base a relationship on her needs is probably not going to be good.

I have actually spent time with one woman I met. She is doing her masters in at the college. She has made it very clear she likes me a lot. She has a lot of class and easily a 9. I could go back to Kiev and spend time with her, but I didn't just come here to meet THE one this trip, I came to look around.

To clarify, the engaged 10 I met in a club and we have exchanged a few emails. I am obviously not going to date her. The go go dancer was an odd quirk of fate. I saw her perform at a club the night before and thought wow now that is a perfect little body.

The next day I went to some remote area to meet a disater of a woman from the local dating site. The usual dating site refugee that has passed her "sell by" date long ago. I politely escorted her back to work in the rain (40 min walk round trip) as she did come to the Metro station to meet me.

While getting a bite to eat I noticed a girl that was a moderate 7 and approached her to shoot the breeze while sheltering from the rain. She actually spoke very good english. We talked about all kinds of things for at least 20 mins and she wrote some sites for me to visit in russian to show people as I clang around the metro station. I did not hit on her, I just said goodbye and left.

After heading into the subway station and asking a few people I found the right train. I waited and got on and sat down. I was leaning foreward with my head in my hands resting just looking at the floor and i noticed the same shoes that the girl had been wearing right across from me. I though; wow those shoes must be very popular.

I looked up... it was her! she had followed me onto the metro. I went over and said I was happy to see her and so on and guess what, she was getting off at my stop also. So we talked some more and she said she was going to get some material to make clothes. Iasked if she was a dress designer and she says no a go go dancer.

So I said I saw a good show the night before at the carribean and she said that was her! We both laughed and then I asked her for her number. She said she would like to spend time together but obviously this is not going to go anywhere. I called her a few times to see how real that offer might actually be. I cannot iimagine that go go dancers in the Ukraine are any more emootionally balanced than in any other part of the world, but I thought it might be an interesting social experiment.

She has only answered the phone once and did say she wanted to spend time together... whatever that means in go go lingo. So no, she is not a dating prospect. The masters student is the dating prospect, but she is not from the Ukraine.

I would love to search thousands of profiles and find a few to work with. I have read this site front to back over the years about all of these avenues and tried most of them. It's all Bull. These girls get thousands of letters and the only ones likly to benefit are the agencies. I have been through all the profiles on the free sites too. There are some real oddballs there in amongst the scams and agency leads like the one Dekneproprtovsk I mentioned.

So I came to see for myself. As you point out, at this stage I am only left with agencies or my own efforts to produce leads. Of the two, I think I will do much better on my own even though I don't speak a word of Urankski.

There is one agency in Poltava I may try. I think I may go there. I have a super nice interpreter lined up who is willing to let me stay with him for $10/night to start with.

I have not paid more than $55/night so far. I did contact some independant interpreters before I left and they have been fantastic. With a little Ruski I could find dcent apartments for $45... probably the same ones they mark up to $100/night at the agencies.

Anyway enough idle banter. I have to plan some traveling
Thank you all for your responses.

[steviej]

Why don't you just go to Huntington Beach and select your wife? That should work out well for you.  Different men have different tastes. You seem to like "American sophisticated." Well, they are here (all 10s too!) in America, waiting for your call. I never traveled around Ukraine much, but I've been to Kiev (with my wife), and spent much time in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Whatever the general "vibe" of the ladies in those cities, I always liked it. It doesn't make sense to me to go there and compare them to the kind of "American beauty" you find here. There are things about the Slavic women, physically and culturally, that turn me on. I do know guys here for whom the ultimate woman is like the "NY sophisticate". For some reason, I never got a big ZAP out of that.

By the way, Gator is the voice or reason.

[diverboy70]

Hmmm interesting feedback... and yes I have been stiring the pot a little to get some reactions...

I find it interesting that some of you decide that it must be my attitude rather than there genuinely being a lack of quality women. I came here to decide for myself what the people in general and the women in particular are like. I don't buy hype. I don't throw money at problem and expect a durable solution and I look for myself.

Well It may be a difference in what "quality" is to you and to others But I can't really tell anything about Odessa, since I have not been there myself!

My impression of St:petes was that there were a lot of 7 and 8 s and quite a few 9 and 10. But the nine and tens certainly knew about it, and would not smile just at anyone

[OlgaH]

Odessa

http://yfnf.io.ua/album58248

http://photo.proext.com/InSAn/8/

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http://photo.proext.com/InSAn/8/?view=7

http://www.odessa360.net/

[OlgaH]

Different beaches

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[2tallbill]

I used to be a hottie in my young days.   And I used to give the phone number of near-by laundry shop to guys who'd hit on me in subways or on the streets.   

I got a few funny phone numbers back in old days (when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth), the best I ever got was a dial-a-prayer phone number where you could call and listen to various prayers. The girl must have thought I needed it. LOL

Bill

[Jumper]

Yes I have some high standards, but jeeze after all the hype I have been reading for years and the endless international websites of not blond models I was expecting a little more from Odessa.

hype is just that "hype"
so no need to treat it differently,  or have it elevate your expectations ?

as far  odessa vs huntington beach

i've been on beaches in ukraine, in brazil, in socal, fla,
texas, ohio, new york, north carolina ,greece, egypt, canada,carribean ,mexico, south africa and quite a few others.   
lol

it may surprise you that i agree with you. .
the number of beautiful women on any chicago beach on a nice day is about  as impressive as just about anywhere else, or any other major city, or resort location for that matter, why would anyone "expect" different?and chicago isnt known as a beach city,
 like many socal or florida cities

heck i'm sure any large las vegas hotel pool area ,,
would yield more *hotties per square meter* than odessa..

to fly into odessa expecting a significantly more 'hotties" than on a world reknowned SoCal beach ,(with lots of tourism )
just isnt being very realistic?

and expecting romatic involvement thru randomly
meeting them on the beach or city street,
 has about as good as odds as you would have with the Socal hotties
 on the beach.?
just so so..
as most beautiful, intelligent women,
are in current relatoionships. .
(just like the ones in ukraine)

sorry if agency hype misled you.

The FSU isn't some complete mecca where all the women are intelligent ,classy , pretty, and also all single and availible.
it shouldnt surprise you that a woman with all those qualities are often involed no matter what country they live in.

so it might take some genuine buckled down effort,
before and after arriving in any country,
 to meet single ones(or just good luck)

 the odds of just rambling around the streets beaches or nightclubs and finding yourself involved romantically with a perfect 9-10 is not high ?
if some website made you think  so,,
*shrugs*

 
all that said,
around my area,
there are tons of eastern europeans,, and if you notice a sophisticated beautiful lady in some store or social situation , she may be american,but the odds are high she is lithunian, ukranian, polish,estonian or russian.
(odds are high they are involved as well of course..)

I do feel the odds of meeting a woman like you are describing , that is also single, is higher in eastern europe (in general)
quite a bit higher as far as her being single
(now wether she would even consider marriage to a foriegn man is entirely a different story)

so use your time there wisely.
if you don't like odessa , by all means try some other city..

kharkov is a college town.. and like any USA college town will have a few more pretty girls than other places..?
(just like popular beachs do ,the world around?)


as far as RW being less romantic and more geared to the finnacial side of things.. 

LOL!
 please take the blue pill and enter the matrix..
you may not like the answers,but they are the true reality.

Most RW that have signed up at a dating agency to meet foreign guys, an are ,quite understandibly,
going to be relocating with financial security and stabilty
a large part of the scenerio  in thier minds!
it's is a very small percentage of the population that would leave all thier friends family and culture behind to start a new life far away?

the one's that would will likely still be very cautious and careful about it!!
they do want to marry someone they love,,
but certainly if they want to simply fall in love , a local guy would do..
so there will be other things factored in, and financial stabilty is certainly one of the big things!
 
marriage in this country, as well as the FSU ,
often has financial stabilty tied to it closely ?

In general russian people are quite romantic.
They are also pragmatic.
The culture is a bit of a enigma in that it has a unique soul and
true romantic spirit  to it,
yet many people in daily life are often overly concerned with
outward appearences, and materialistic things, like who has the coolest new cell phone , or luxery car.. etc. 

bottom line is how many of those huntington beach beauties are
also the entire package you are looking for?
ive lived in Socal quite a bit ,
often a very plastic/fake culture, in many ways,especially as far as the young hard body crowd,
,, and as far as the sophisticated woman you are looking for, i think youd have to look pretty long and far there.

if you found a single woman  with all these qualities in HB,
 what are the odds she would out of hand consider marriage
at all?


 or how about to a foriegn man?
if she considered an italian guy for example for marriage and relocation, you think she just might]/i] be interested also in how he lives?
wether he is "generous"?
of COURSE she still would want to be in love with him..
even a plastic valley girl has such princess dreams?
but most like she'd be just as interested in financial stabilty as well..
if she is going to marry and move?!?!!

why in the heck would a RW be  any different than her huntington beach sister,,  or your expectations be different?
put yourself in either womans shoes?
of course they hope the man is generous!
they hope he is charming, tall, dark ,and handsome too!

i'm not sure why you'd read anymore into a dating site profile,or a womans general outlook,  than would naturally be there?

*shrugs*

I've never been to odessa.,maybe it is as you see it.

  Most major cities of the world have plenty of  beautiful women.
When guys bash AW here,  i often wonder wether they even open thier eyes  when in san diego, dallas, new york, LA, Chicago, etc etc?
and from past experiences ,i have little  doubt that i could fly into
Sao paulo,  volgograd, prague, kiev , dnepropetrovsk, or visit crimea and see plenty as well..

your mileage seems to have varied, in one certain city..
 your expectations where either just way over the top, or your
 timing just unlucky,,  and only a couple days of experience there..
 

at this stage I am only left with agencies or my own efforts to produce leads. Of the two, I think I will do much better on my own even though I don't speak a word of Urankski.

well if you are going to Dnepro,,better switch to not knowing any Russian

 as much as dating agencies may turn you off
(and i'm all FOR meeting people in a more traditional way !  )
you are already in ukraine
,and there to meet women obviuosly,
 and to meet single ones!
so it certainly isnt a horrible way.

it sure wouldn't be boring.
i met some of the big agencies' banner ad girls hust for fun
( i knew they wernt serious about marriage, but it sure wasnt boring to date them..even though both sides knew it was little more than entertainment .. )

while  i wasnt just there dating for fun..
I wasnt dead set on marriage to anyone ,
much less someone specifically of a given nationality!
and if a date with someone interesting,but not serious, came up..
i'd just as easily entertain myself that way..
( i would in any city? same if in chicago or prague)
if someone was seriuos,and marriage minded , and interesting,
all the better!

i wasnt set on a final outcome ,or any given time frame.
while life is indeed better shared with someone special,
to me life (and dating/ marriage)is an adventure to experience, not a destination.

again YMMV


 good luck!

[Ooooops]

I got a few funny phone numbers back in old days (when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth), the best I ever got was a dial-a-prayer phone number where you could call and listen to various prayers. The girl must have thought I needed it. LOL

 

[Gator]

Tweensie,

If you are near Kharkiv, give Thor a call.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7860.msg143763#msg143763

Thor is married to a "10" and he knows the club scene.

[tfcrew]

BetweenLines hasn't been here for a year.
If he's still bored  ..what would that say? 

[doctorLove]

Maybe somebody else needs to get some emotions and will read this post!

[2tallbill]

she says no a go go dancer.

You don't find a good girl in a gogo club or a bar, that's where you find your future ex-wife or a bar fly.
If you go to Odesa then get bored, that's on you.