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Well after dodging the bullets of coronavirus for this long, the family has been struck.  Mother in law caught the virus and is battling it in Colombia. 


Good morning, FT!

We might joust with each other, from time to time, but I am sure we all wish your M-i-L shakes it off and you can be a rock for the Missus'


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So, where's all the MUPPETS who though HCQ was 'great' for treating COVID-19 .. :cluebat: ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/51980731


The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which had authorised the drug for emergency use in March, has now withdrawn it saying clinical trials had shown it was no longer reasonable to believe it would produce an antiviral effect.

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The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which had authorised the drug for emergency use in March, has now withdrawn it saying clinical trials had shown it was no longer reasonable to believe it would produce an antiviral effect.

Thanks for the info.  The prior news had been mixed, and clinical studies in your source have now concluded HCQ has no significant benefits for treating COVID.   FDA has withdrawn its emergency approval.   

It is disheartening that we have yet to find a therapeutic drug for COVID.  We need one to help those who become infected.   However, data from the past couple of months show the CFR (death) is declining.

BTW, scientific opinion says the viruses now being tested could prove "weak," meaning they will not prevent infection, albeit the infection will be less severe.   Let's keep our fingers crossed that an effective virus will be developed as well as effective treatment pharmaceuticals.   

Your family concerns should be alleviated now, and frankly should never have happened. 

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Volunteering to be exposed to Covid-19
« Reply #3253 on: June 16, 2020, 06:53:25 AM »
Don't know if this has been mentioned here by others, but . . .

Quite shocking to hear that tests may begin wherein subjects volunteer to be injected with Covid 19.

Prior to this injection, they will receive one of the variations of vaccines that are being developed.

(Note: this is different from other on-going experiments where vaccines are given, and subjects just go out into the world where they may or may not be exposed to Covid-19).

Apparently this is first time in history that tests like this are conducted where there is no known cure for the disease.

i.e.  Previously people have agreed to be subjected to malaria and other diseases (after receiving a vaccine), but in those cases, there was a proven treatment to cure the disease for those who caught it.
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Thanks for the info.  The prior news had been mixed,

Thing is they weren't ..just the std of ONE trial was below par and the usual suspects seized upon it  :cluebat:

Your family concerns should be alleviated now, and frankly should never have happened.

Indeed, and 'Trampu' is also to blame for many who missed out and REALLY see efficacy from such meds ...

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Re: Volunteering to be exposed to Covid-19
« Reply #3255 on: June 16, 2020, 08:26:56 AM »
Quite shocking to hear that tests may begin wherein subjects volunteer to be injected with Covid 19.


This has to happen before release to the public. Everything is accelerated and I'm sure some animals have already been injected by some of the early vaccine candidates.

The goal is to create a safe and effective vaccine which is incredibly hard to do. Safe is more important than effective. What's the sense of getting rid of the coronavirus if we all end up with neurological disorders 5 years from now?
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Not sure why they bother with vaccines.

Hours after Oxford declared HCQ should be dropped as a treatment for COVID, they announced a breakthrough treatment medicine for coronavirus called Dexamethasone. It's still 'on trial' but....

To note: in BBC's article posted, it stated this little nugget:

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The Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit (MORU) is conducting mass clinical trials and has enrolled 40,000 frontline workers in Europe, Africa, Asia and South America, giving participants either chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo.

Professor Sir Nick White, who's leading the trial, said: "Most experts agree there is a much better chance of benefit in prevention than treatment."

Don't let little factoids ever get in the way of selective narrative. Davo mentioned Australia is conducting the same trial. Aussies have proved during this pandemic to move away from politics and do their studies diligently. I'd wait for the results of their studies, either as a treatment - properly administered as prescribed, and/or as prophylactic.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2020, 09:20:59 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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News of a second post Coronavirus outbreak escalating in China:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53074076

Will just have to wait and see whether this turns into something big and if anything can be learned about the source of the virus, apparently from a wholesale food market as far as is known so far on this one.
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Hours after Oxford declared HCQ should be dropped as a treatment for COVID, they announced a breakthrough treatment medicine for coronavirus called Dexamethasone. It's still 'on trial' but....

Positive news, yet not very significant based on this news item from NY Times:: 

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It reduced the death rate of patients on ventilators by a third and patients on oxygen by a fifth.


As you correctly surmised, what is significant is your nugget:

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  "Most experts agree there is a much better chance of benefit in prevention than treatment." 


We need a better condom for COVID-19 than wearing a mask.  The rate of daily new cases in Florida is higher than ever, almost 2x the rate seen in April.  This is explained partly by Florida testing at 3x the April rate.  Fortunately, deaths have declined significantly as if the current disease is not as potent, etc. 

This refutes  the theory held by some that the pandemic could subside with warmer weather.  It's hot in Florida and people are getting sick.   


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The rate of daily new cases in Florida is higher than ever, almost 2x the rate seen in April.  This is explained partly by Florida testing at 3x the April rate.  Fortunately, deaths have declined significantly as if the current disease is not as potent, etc. 

This refutes  the theory held by some that the pandemic could subside with warmer weather.  It's hot in Florida and people are getting sick.

My second business sells desktop computers. Florida has over taken NY recently as the top destination of where I ship computers. More and more Floridians are staying home lately and are bored. Online shopping is increasing.

Flu viruses have a much greater chance to die in hot weather. SAR-COV-19 is related to the cold virus. We get still get colds in the Summer but we have less or no symptoms since our bodies get through the cold easier with  warmer weather.
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Hours after Oxford declared HCQ should be dropped as a treatment for COVID, they announced a breakthrough treatment medicine for coronavirus called Dexamethasone. It's still 'on trial' but....

GQB, is 'at it' again ..

'hours'..?

How about ELEVEN days ?

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/05/uk-trial-on-hydroxychloroquine-it-doesnt-work-303275  5th June, 2020

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281 16th June, 2020

Don't let little factoids ever get in the way of selective narrative.

Or reality, eh ?

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As you correctly surmised, what is significant is your nugget:

We need a better condom for COVID-19 than wearing a mask.  The rate of daily new cases in Florida is higher than ever, almost 2x the rate seen in April.  This is explained partly by Florida testing at 3x the April rate.  Fortunately, deaths have declined significantly as if the current disease is not as potent, etc. 

BINGO!!! Exactly my point!!!

It is always refreshing knowing there's folks out there that easily and fully understands the language they are born into. I'm not sure why this seem almost impossible for *some*.

It's so hysterical to have to explain to *some* folks statements written in their own language/s...mystifying really.

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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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GQB, is 'at it' again ..

'hours'..?

How about ELEVEN days ?

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/05/uk-trial-on-hydroxychloroquine-it-doesnt-work-303275  5th June, 2020

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281 16th June, 2020

Or reality, eh ?

Reference your OWN BBC link to the BBC link in my post...ye shall be enlightened.

If not have someone else read it for you for explanation.
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Reference your OWN BBC link to the BBC link in my post...ye shall be enlightened.

If not have someone else read it for you for explanation.

Would that be as 'Enlightened' as your ( and your President's) continued 'support' of  HCQ?

Indeed, you'll have to highlight my pointing out another 'failed factoid' from GQB ...




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Would that be as 'Enlightened' as your ( and your President's) continued 'support' of  HCQ?

Indeed, you'll have to highlight my pointing out another 'failed factoid' from GQB ...

Deflection 101. Classic...
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Looks like Coronavirus is only just getting going out in Russia:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/06/17/coronavirus-is-just-getting-started-in-some-russian-regions-their-wwii-parades-are-going-ahead-a70596

Worrying for anyone with loved ones out there surely.
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VERY, VVP is putting his bid for 'Tsardom' ( his 'referendum') on July 1st before the wishes of Governors of regions ...


Sochi is now fully open to infectious tourists from  regions with MUCH  higher infection rates .. ((

Deflection 101. Classic...

So, you took the time to suggest 'deflection' rather than 'proving you point'... ? :ROFL:

It is noted you would rather point out a posting typo than simply say, " I made a dick of myself re 'pushing' HCQ and trying to diss any trial that busted my misguided and ill-informed support re the efficacy of said med, in the face of those who had greater knowledge / experience, who patiently tried to put me straight" ..

There you go..your very own diversionary tosh, solved for you.... 




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FT-

I hope your MIL gets well...and soon!
Thanks,
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I just happened to be browsing about the internet....

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Hope she gets well. Do you know how bad it is in Columbia? What kind of treatment is your MIL getting in the hospital if they even have room for her?  The closest it hit home for me is my step father's sister in law passed away from the virus.
Apparently the virus is running wild in Colombia although the numbers don't appear terribly high.  They are under a very strict lockdown.  Wife and boy had to cancel scheduled trip there since nobody from US is allowed in, even citizens.   
No hospital, just toughing out the illness at home the old fashioned way.  For better or worse, hospitals will kill is the family attitude.

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Cases back on the up throughout the world from Ukraine to Portugal to the US and South America many are halting their easing up and going back into lockdown or imposing new specific restrictions.

Texas is one case of that today:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/25/coronavirus-live-news-who-warns-of-global-oxygen-shortage-as-cases-rise-by-1m-per-week

To me it doesn't look like they got lockdown easing up right and they are going to have to rethink how we all go about our business and leisure, if indeed we do much leisure at all while this virus is knocking around.

Lots of people out on the beaches down my way in Bournemouth today apparently social distancing went out the window. Fortunately I was not there among them as a big potential virus risk.
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A recent study showing that bad cases of Coronavirus can impact on the brain badly in several ways with likely long term health problems:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1301269/coronavirus-latest-news-effect-on-brain-study-stroke-uk-deaths-update/amp
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Given the title of the thread , Trench, and your insistence of using AMP I'm wondering if your latest 'link' is your way of trying to tell us something ...?

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Cases back on the up throughout the world from Ukraine to Portugal to the US and South America many are halting their easing up and going back into lockdown or imposing new specific restrictions.

Wrong.  Many countries are doing very well fighting the virus with their citizens living and even enjoying life again with very few restrictions.

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Wrong.  Many countries are doing very well fighting the virus with their citizens living and even enjoying life again with very few restrictions.

That seems to be the problem BC, restrictions have been relaxed and people are out taking it too far with the enjoyment.

Well, well done everyone with passing the first wave! Now we've just got to get through the second wave that is hitting us/about to hit us.
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Wrong.  Many countries are doing very well fighting the virus with their citizens living and even enjoying life again with very few restrictions.

BC

I'm sorry to 'side' with Trench, but he has a point..

Portugal, Germany, Ireland, Wales, England ...to name but a few ...are having issues with HT spots, particularly and bizarrely at food processing plants.

 

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