Social Status in Ukraine

[krimster2]

if someone annoys me at home, I put on a necklace made of the heads from squirrels I killed...
then I pull out a huge hunting knife and start sharpening it, right in front of them
while looking at the offending person, and I start licking my lips in a very "suggestive" manner...
5 seconds is the longest anyone lasted
nary a word spoken

in Russian, a squirrel is called a "belka"
so it's be a belka necklace of dead squirrel heads
works just as well there
and russians got two different kinda squirrels

I had me some FUN over there!!!!
cuz in Russia, as long as ya got the $$$ to cover it, you could do WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO!!!!!
and NOBODY could touch you, if you had all the RIGHT connections

but if yur a Russian peasant, yur phuqued over by EVERYBODY even other peasants!

[olgac]

Oh that makes sense!
And I heard here many people left after Russia has invaded because they didn't like anti-russian sentiments?

[krimster2]

for everything there is a season....
and maybe the season for this topic has past

this topic is on hospice care
why prolong the misery, what justification is there?
quo bono?

note: I only come here to make up stories that offend rednecks
in fact, my posts are litmus tests for measuring the R.Q. (Redneck Quotient)

the more offended ya are, the dumber ya are

[ML]

Oh that makes sense!
And I heard here many people left after Russia has invaded because they didn't like anti-russian sentiments?

Probably true; although I haven't heard such.

You must have better 'insider' knowlege than me . . . despite my having been on this and similar forums for a hundred years or so.

[ML]

How about this as talking points for a gold digger ?

I am not impressed by your money . . . but I am impressed with your giving it to me.

[olgac]

Oh I forgot who but someone here mentioned that people left due to russophobia. I think it was mentioned that Doll
left when someone put "putin hujlo" in their signature

[krimster2]

"There was a ton of action here on RWD until economic slowdown, Covid hitting, and then the Russian terrorist invasion of Ukraine."

but...other than that....
and I think yur a missin a few more variables....

I think this was mostly a "boomer" thing
and the boomers are aging out
and succeeding generations are less engaged in this....

it's all modem dating for Gen Z
and they're all broke and ain't goin nowhere, other than their parent's house
they might as well be Russian Malchiky as far as wimmin are concerned

when the economy shrinks
so to, does average scrotum and testicle size

don't go all willy-nilly in a recession

I am only visiting polling places to look for my missing cat
Everybody Stop!!!! and look for my cat, damnit!!!!
I don't freakin care if it stops the election, and then the senate selects the president
WTF is my cat
and why are all these Haitians standing around?

wait a minute...
just what is goin on here?

[olgac]

why? the http://www.reddit.com/r/thepassportbros/ subreddit is very active, they just don't go to Russia/Ukraine/Belarus

[krimster2]

I seriously don't think there HAS EVER BEEN a better time to go to Ukraine than it is right now
the danger is less than being in the downtown area of a big US city,
and ya ALWAYS got a few minutes warning
to run screaming for the shelter
just always keep yur cell phone on


you also got a lotta potential side hussles besides war media
buying selling crashed drones for instance

the hussle you have to survive in Ukraine will be useful to you in 20 more years, no matter WHERE you live

[Trenchcoat]

oh yeah! The game! I haven't heard about the game, PUA etc for a looong time!
Did You know the women have a "game" of their own.
When many FSUW in 15-20 years ago were leaving the men that brought them here, I remember
they all started dating (quite successfully I might add) and they swore by the book
"Why men love bitches" which from the reviews seems to teach women to play hard to get

This is probably a large part of the reason for a drop off in interest. At the start WM probably thought FSU dating was the answer to their dating problems. So many went over there thinking it was the easy answer, married FSW far too quickly thinking that's the way it's done and only realised later that the women were more interested in the green card or similar than they were in the guy. It's like when Krim pointed out that we get guys in here still occasionally who want a quick easy answer and then don't want to know anything beyond that.

While a few may get lucky the answer is that it's not the walk in the park that some hope for like many men found them 15, 20, or more years ago. So there is no longer the big word on the street going around that dating FSW or even abroad is the easy quick answer to all their dating ills. Some people unfortunately are loathed to put the time in and make an effort, they want instant gratification with little work, always such a shame to see.

I think Krim is right too an extent about younger generations being poorer than the Boomer generation. I agree with him that in general the Gen Z won't look much wealthier to FSW than their local alternative. That will vary between people a little if course but is generally true I think. Over time it might change a little as Gen Z cone to inherit off Gen X passing on but for many that probably won't happen for a long time.

If I had kids and got to/near retirement I would probably hand on a lot to any offspring. Fir me I wouldn't need much but for them at that age they need decent cars, clothing and preferably a start in the property ladder. Giving too much can be a negative of course, not only might they not appreciate it's true value and squander it (I would hate to see nothing more) but it might also attract Gold Diggers. In general the UK isn't an easy society to get on in if you're young from Gen X onwards. It got pretty hard to land even a basic job though I notice many Millennials onwards were less willing to put work in at the more basic end, not all but many more than Gen X I think. Many Gen X would have felt a part time job in a Supermarket when younger was good thing to land, it gave them independence of having their income and then could do stuff with it, many Millennials & Gen Z just didn't want to know lol. These days when I walk in the Supermarket most of those working there are old, either near, at or past retirement age lol.

[ML]

why? the http://www.reddit.com/r/thepassportbros/ subreddit is very active, they just don't go to Russia/Ukraine/Belarus

Because you are no longer available there !!

[krimster2]

you are the sum of your attributes
besides whatever "intrinsic" qualities you have...
to a Ukrainian woman, you are the source of her new passport to GTF out of Ukraine
and a roof over her head, and somebody to do immigration paperwork for her
and buy her a"gambooger with cheese"
it's this "added value" that tilts the scales in your favor
when you negotiate "your  partnership" an Infinite Liability Corporation ILC

all in exchange for some butt scratching and a bowl of beet soup, at the correct time, which ain't bad once ya get used to it
eta moy dom, soup de jour is always "Squirrel a la Borscht"
I added some squirrel meat, from squirrels I shot with an enhanced air rifle
them's good eaten' if ya prepare 'em right

Za Mir ludie

it's as basic as "buy low - sell high"
sell where YOU are in low quantity, and buy, where it is in great quantity
Ukraine, is a great example of that

but so to are the Central Asian Republics
you got ALL KINDS of stunning women there
Nordic Russian to Mongolian, thanks to 'ole Ghenghis Khan

you will stand out there like a "sore thumb"
and be VERY visible to the fairer sex

Tashkent, used to be a disaster for tourists, i.e. only squat toileetes
now, you have American Hotels, with an English speaking front desk
though Russian is still a lingua franca everywhere

always take some st george and russian flag emblems to pin on, if ya find yurself isolated among local Russians
skazal "hohol fascista"
d'vai vodka!!!! peet!!!!!!
they''ll all laugh...
this is how you deflect suspicion, what with you bein one of them "westerners"

but in non-russian areas, ya generally ain't got too much to worry about
muslims ain't hostile to non-muslims and vice-versa
as long as you "don't stir up trouble" by making dumb ass comments
folks'll give ya the benefit of the doubt there, and just be curious about ya

the mixed asian women, are among the most beautiful I have ever seen
the high cheek bones, the eyes, the slender body, the perfect skin

be still my foolish heart

in the 'stans, all yur credit cards work just fine
biggest drawback
it's a long-ass flight

travel and jetlag is 2-3 days each way
Dollars, Euros, are highly prized there
EVERYBODY will want to be your friend

the stans are also a mineral collector's dream
you have access to several local gem markets
you can make some REALLY GOOD deals on Emeralds there, the highest quality, ANYONE has ever seen
Israeli Cutters go crazy when they get this stuff
back in the day, pre-sanctions, war, etc, you could buy raw diamonds in Mirny from the local black market
and get stunning deals, that's all over with, I think some mafiya smuggles them to the baltic states to launder them to other places
but the 'stans are still open
a lotta cool stuff to buy/sell

[olgac]

Because you are no longer available there !!

LOL Thank You!
But I think Trench is correct!
All these women who left after getting a green card or after getting a profession here sort of ruined it
for the next generation of FSUW. The image has really suffered.

[Trenchcoat]

LOL Thank You!
But I think Trench is correct!
All these women who left after getting a green card or after getting a profession here sort of ruined it
for the next generation of FSUW. The image has really suffered.

On another relationship forum a number of years ago I suggested dating a FSW could be the answer to a young person's problem of not finding a relationship. They responded that they were all after the money, scammers, etc I could not change their mind and that was someone probably at least twenty years younger than I am. So I am guessing a fair bit of damage has been done and word has spread.

I don't know how that could be rectified. I only think WM going out to live in Ukraine fir a relationship would potentially be a sure fire way.

The problem as I see it is not just Gold diggers, Scammers and Visa Hunters but other problems as well if the FSW comes to the West. These include not feeling comfortable in the foreign country, finding things the dislike in the foreign country, having visions of how well off people are there that only turns out to be true for the very few, looking at what others have in a foreign country and wanting the same, etc, etc...

The numbers of guys I have read about on here in the past whose wife has arrived in a foreign country where the WM is and then she's expected him to provide her with a car, pay for driving lessons, maybe pay for language lessons. Then she expecting to live in a large posh house, have expensive cars, etc, etc. I think their expectations can ballon from the moment they arrive in the country and they probably already had high expectations and a rose tinted vision before they arrived. What too few understand is that for many natives of the WM's country a lot of living is pretty mundane, it might be a little bit better than their counterparts in the FSU but not by a long way.

I don't really know if there is a way for realism to take hold. As has been said in the past the woman coming to the west is potentially leaving her family behind so usually only wants to move if it's a big step up for her or finds the man she thinks ix right for her. On Fdate to be honest there is perhaps only a tiny fraction of available women out in the FSU. So probably a lot of women know the score that many WM on there aren't so rich or they loath to leave their family/country too much. There aren't really that many more women on there than before the war hit so if that's not getting women racing to find a WM to get them the hell out of there and to a more pleasurable situation I don't know what will.

[krimster2]

"young person's problem of not finding a relationship."

if you want a woman "to find you"
you have to be visible
insteada lookin for a woman
you should spend yur effort on making yurself visible

how ya do that?
ka-ching is how ya do that

put all yur time and energy into making money
the riches always brings bitches

ya'll are wasting yur time and yur life
cuz ya'll have NO IDEA of WTF you're doing

this is as nature intended
reproduction depends on a "fitness function" and ya'll ain't fit
that's why yur havin problems

if yur gonna end up being single ANYWAY, why not make it yur goal
and focus on making "Phuque-You Money"

you will die much happier this way

all yur illusions become delusions
ya need to see the world as it really is
free yur mind, and the rest of ya will follow along

[ML]

The problem as I see it is not just Gold diggers, Scammers and Visa Hunters but other problems as well if the FSW comes to the West. These include not feeling comfortable in the foreign country, finding things the dislike in the foreign country, having visions of how well off people are there that only turns out to be true for the very few, looking at what others have in a foreign country and wanting the same, etc, etc...

The numbers of guys I have read about on here in the past whose wife has arrived in a foreign country where the WM is and then she's expected him to provide her with a car, pay for driving lessons, maybe pay for language lessons. Then she expecting to live in a large posh house, have expensive cars, etc, etc. I think their expectations can ballon from the moment they arrive in the country and they probably already had high expectations and a rose tinted vision before they arrived. What too few understand is that for many natives of the WM's country a lot of living is pretty mundane, it might be a little bit better than their counterparts in the FSU but not by a long way.

None of this true for my Ukrainian wife.

But perhaps she is playing a very long game.

However, it takes a lot to put up with me and we just finished another extraordinarly excellent Sunday breakfast !!  Excercises come later.

[2tallbill]

This is probably a large part of the reason for a drop off in interest. At the start WM probably thought FSU
dating was the answer to their dating problems. So many went over there thinking it was the easy answer,
married FSW far too quickly thinking that's the way it's done and only realised later that the women were
more interested in the green card or similar than they were in the guy.

Men who can't date at home can't/shouldn't try it abroad. If you can't drive a golf cart, a Ferrari isn't
the car for you. Marrying an FSUW you don't know if driving the Ferrari with a blindfold in a snow drunk. 

It's like when Krim pointed out that we get guys in here still occasionally who want a quick
easy answer and then don't want to know anything beyond that.

This isn't you?

I think Krim is right too an extent about younger generations being poorer than the Boomer generation. I agree with him that in general the Gen Z won't look much wealthier to FSW than their local alternative. That will vary between people a little if course but is generally true I think. Over time it might change a little as Gen Z cone to inherit off Gen X passing on but for many that probably won't happen for a long time.

Everyone in every generation is poorer when they are young and richer when they get old.
Generation Z is 26 to 11 years old. 11 year old boys don't make a lot of money.

Median annual earnings for individuals in the U.S. are $31,928 for 16- to 19-year-olds;
$38,194 for 20- to 24-year-olds; $54,340 for 25- to 34-year-olds. You have written
extensively how the kopecks in rental income for your never finished house will make you
look rich compared to the local FSUM. A little contradictory?   

[2tallbill]

On another relationship forum a number of years ago I suggested dating a FSW could be the answer to a young person's problem of not finding a relationship. They responded that they were all after the money, scammers, etc I could not change their mind and that was someone probably at least twenty years younger than I am. So I am guessing a fair bit of damage has been done and word has spread.

That's the mainstream media narrative. Only losers and control freaks pursue FSUW, only desperate and
scammer FSUW want Western men. Young people take a few years to stop blindly believing the media.

[krimster2]

every generation after boomers will be poorer than boomers
THIS is the reason marriage and birth rates are falling
and has nuthin to do with sombody being 11 yrs old
and everything to do with costs growing faster than incomes for the middle class
becuz the upper class planned it this way to max out their own money they extract from the rest of us

ya'll just a buncho ignorant hillbilly's
with moonshine and watermelon rine
pontificating on quantum computing

me laugh...long time...

[Trenchcoat]

every generation after boomers will be poorer than boomers
THIS is the reason marriage and birth rates are falling
and has nuthin to do with sombody being 11 yrs old
and everything to do with costs growing faster than incomes for the middle class
becuz the upper class planned it this way to max out their own money they extract from the rest of us

ya'll just a buncho ignorant hillbilly's
with moonshine and watermelon rine
pontificating on quantum computing

me laugh...long time...

A recent article on this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boomers-wealthiest-generation-ever-lived-104103574.html

I agree the reality is a lot of people don't realize that they are the result of social engineering, that everything around them is being socially engineered by those at the top, governments, etc.

People think that not being racist, so called female equality, expansion of higher education, etc are all good things. In reality it's neither good nor bad, it's just the way a government chooses to socially engineer society to gain a certain outcome. All three of those things mentioned will increase the supply of labour at most levels of industry and so thereby decrease labour costs - that means decreasing wages in real terms for the workers!!!

However, big business cleans up by decreasing wages so thereby increasing profits. It can't do that though if workers are too hostile to those coming into the country from other countries, so there takes place education programs in schools to not be racist, laws passed, etc. If native workers tore immigrant workers apart there would be less profit made in industry, higher wages, too much social unrest, etc.

Back in the day, in the 1950s etc there was women being educated at School in the ways of cooking, ironing, etc for the men they would be marrying. It was no more right it wrong than the later push for so called female equality, careers, etc. However, it was the end of WWII and more plebs were needed to once again fill the factory jobs, etc of those men who had been killed. Governments in the UK, US and elsewhere across the West needed to get the birthrate way up. Best way to do that was to get young women domestic and in the frame of mind for having kids. Someone to stay home, look after the babies, kids, was essential to do that, someone to cook the meals, etc.

Later on of course, dampening down the desire of females to have children when the population might get too large was seen as essential and still is. So out comes all the literature on women having careers, etc to do that. Men will screw till the cows come home so only way to level of the population growth isn't through them but by taking away females and delivering them into the hands of said Employer. Once a female is socialised that way and is given the career ladder with each rung in front of her eyes most follow that and see children as something that will mess up them getting that next rung. It's all a shame of course, most will never get rich, the careers are merely jobs and they'll be dumped by their Employer when their usefulness is through.

But, Women and people in general but into it so much of what they get told is the way to be and told what it is they should do. Of recent governments have been topping up the workforce with immigrants as they thought they didn't have to educate them, etc like the native population, but they are only just discovering that they need to spend big resources in education, on their healthcare, etc for most of them, it's not a freebie that most Governments thought it would be.

So where to now? Well most people think the choices they make are actually their choice, they are just too blinkered to see that they were moved that way over time in the education system, etc. Most won't accept that they are the result of social engineering and won't get that they are being used by others. Sure people have to be productive or society and themselves fail. However, I don't see the mode of people being at the mercy of being socially engineered changing easily.

One possible ray of light is 'home schooling', it's on the increase in the UK and it takes the child out of School during early socialisation. That is potentially the most important phrase. However, it entails a parent(s) spending their time educating the child. So possibly reducing the income they can generate. Modern technology can play a part as can merging social trips with educational trips such as going to museums, etc. This ball is just starting to roll so it will be interesting to see where it will go. If it snowballs into getting big enough I forsee Governments stepping in to attempt to reassert their control so they can socially engineer enough plebs. Otherwise I think they will fear losing their privileged position.

[krimster2]

well...if yur "so smart"...how come YOU ain't rich....
no...no... don't blame yur family, society, yur usual suspects

how come you ain't chasing after that "Sterling" home boy
you don't even think about it, like it don't even exist

you have no damned plan a'tall fer makin money...
and ya wonder why you are so unhappy (cuz yur poor!)

well...there might be a connection there fer ya to investigate

WTF, are you givin up leaving "Jolly 'Ole Brittania" for goin to Ukraine?
to rent yur place out
and be a videographer volunteer in U-cry-eena
makin tax free money off Utube, merchandising, and sellin yur vids to the media. book rights, everything
plus whatever other opportunities just drop into yur lap, cuz you had the foresight to be at the right place at the right time
and be the only person who captures an historic world changing event

instead of watching Red Dwarf re-runs on Sky TV (again)
if you did this, you'd have more poory tang than you could EVER WANT...you'd get tired of it...
why don't YOU see this

go from ZERO to the pedal to the metal, and max out yur future Trench
if you do this, I will freakin help ya

[Trenchcoat]

well...if yur "so smart"...how come YOU ain't rich....
no...no... don't blame yur family, society, yur usual suspects

how come you ain't chasing after that "Sterling" home boy
you don't even think about it, like it don't even exist

you have no damned plan a'tall fer makin money...
and ya wonder why you are so unhappy (cuz yur poor!)

well...there might be a connection there fer ya to investigate

WTF, are you givin up leaving "Jolly 'Ole Brittania" for goin to Ukraine?
to rent yur place out
and be a videographer volunteer in U-cry-eena
makin tax free money off Utube, merchandising, and sellin yur vids to the media. book rights, everything
plus whatever other opportunities just drop into yur lap, cuz you had the foresight to be at the right place at the right time
and be the only person who captures an historic world changing event

instead of watching Red Dwarf re-runs on Sky TV (again)
if you did this, you'd have more poory tang than you could EVER WANT...you'd get tired of it...
why don't YOU see this

go from ZERO to the pedal to the metal, and max out yur future Trench
if you do this, I will freakin help ya

Krim, I bring you academic genius writing comparable to Das Kapital and Mein Kampf being rolled into one and condense down into a chewy bite sized chunk and that's your response

Lol

Anyway, well on the above I have been thinking, I think your idea of You Tube stardom in Ukraine has some go in it but I think the whole charity take in it would suit your character and not so much mine. I would have to do my own You Tube thing to be authentic and come across well enough fof people to want to tune in. Charity has never been my thing from either side really I don't think I would come across well doing that, viewers would see that it was not me and likely tube out.

Ukraine, well I imagined they have a lot of people doing the war and charity stuff on You Tube at the moment. Probably they can't do it as well as you and most probably don't do it well enough to get any real traction.

Bald and Bankrupt did well as apart from presenting often bland topics well he formed a good brand and at the time did something fairly unique. He often avoided the big touristy sites that other You Tubers would sell cover and get out to try and uncover the real society in Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, etc. A lot of backwaters out there that most other YouTubers didn't want to venture at least not on a consistent enough basis and deliver it as well enough.

[krimster2]

"Das Kapital and Mein Kampf"...
I have autographed copies, you wouldn't believe how much they're worth now
my gratitude was my offer to assist you, in finding yur way forward in life

as usual, you find excuses
you're like Robinson Crusoe, stuck on yur island
but your version of the story is, ya don't wanna leave the island
cuz makin a raft, is just a whole lotta work, which is "out of character"
and you're just too laid back on that island to wanna leave it...

well, there ya go, that's yur story
whatever happened to "mad dogs and Englishmen"
once upon a time, yur ancestors ruled the world, what happened to ya'll in Anglia?
wuz it duh luftwaffe bombs, Beatlemania, mods v. rockers, I dunno, but somethin happened to ya'll

[Trenchcoat]

"Das Kapital and Mein Kampf"...
I have autographed copies, you wouldn't believe how much they're worth now
my gratitude was my offer to assist you, in finding yur way forward in life

as usual, you find excuses
you're like Robinson Crusoe, stuck on yur island
but your version of the story is, ya don't wanna leave the island
cuz makin a raft, is just a whole lotta work, which is "out of character"
and you're just too laid back on that island to wanna leave it...

well, there ya go, that's yur story
whatever happened to "mad dogs and Englishmen"
once upon a time, yur ancestors ruled the world, what happened to ya'll in Anglia?
wuz it duh luftwaffe bombs, Beatlemania, mods v. rockers, I dunno, but somethin happened to ya'll

It doesn't have to be such a big deal, once a guy gets going on the property ladder and can buy a few properties and rent them out that's all that's needed.

The You Tube thing may of may not work, people try, some make it some don't. Potentially there may be some luck and timing involved as well as how you put yourself across. You're a different person to me Krim, what works for you may not work for me.Loads of people are trying to get rich quick by working You Tube, Tik Tok, Telegram, Instagram, etc.

At the moment I can't do anything until I have things sorted here, it's getting there and it's taken a long time but soon I will be able to get things moving. You Tubing it etc in Ukraine is a venture where a few thousand are needed, you've got to get over there, get accommodation, decide if you need any additional equipment, usually decent attire, travel to location, film, edit if needs be, publish and promote - and rinse and repeat. Sure it can be done on the cheap and possibly might work but odds are it's going to cost a fair few bucks. At the moment I am not ready to go try that, better to have an independent income first than return to the UK stony broad if it falls flat on its face.

[2tallbill]

It doesn't have to be such a big deal, once a guy gets going on the property ladder and can buy a few properties and rent them out that's all that's needed.

Do you have ONE property that is not ready to rent yet until your remodel is finished
or are you misstating the situation again in terms that realistically do not exist.