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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #275 on: October 23, 2019, 03:58:19 PM »
Well. That explains it.

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #276 on: October 27, 2019, 11:38:38 AM »
I think a lot of girls are on International dating sites because they are
flawed badly enough in character for local guys to pass over them.

Trench,

You are exceptionally skilled at misreading the tea leaves (again).
FSU men treat FSUW like milk past the due date. Once a woman
gets to be 35+ years old FSU men generally won't consider her
for a serious long term relationship or for marriage AND they
won't accept her kids.

This is NOT because these women are flawed but because of how
unmarried men in the FSU view these women. Most of these women
don't join a foreign dating site, but some do.

If you are talking about 18-24 year old women then I don't know
why they might join a dating site. NONE of them with good intentions
will be looking for a guy your age and income so don't bother with them.
Gals that age are like bread that has been in the oven for ten minutes.
It looks good on the outside but the inside isn't done yet.

If you have any more theories post them here and I'll try to set you
straight.


FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #277 on: October 27, 2019, 02:54:07 PM »
Trench,

You are exceptionally skilled at misreading the tea leaves (again).
FSU men treat FSUW like milk past the due date. Once a woman
gets to be 35+ years old FSU men generally won't consider her
for a serious long term relationship or for marriage AND they
won't accept her kids.

This is NOT because these women are flawed but because of how
unmarried men in the FSU view these women. Most of these women
don't join a foreign dating site, but some do.

If you are talking about 18-24 year old women then I don't know
why they might join a dating site. NONE of them with good intentions
will be looking for a guy your age and income so don't bother with them.
Gals that age are like bread that has been in the oven for ten minutes.
It looks good on the outside but the inside isn't done yet.

If you have any more theories post them here and I'll try to set you
straight.

Cheers 2tallbill ;D In fairness I think you are right here. Nearly all the younger girls that are serious will be looking for a fairly wealthy guy, far more wealth than I have. The rest will just be messing around or will mess me around when they find out I'm not a rich guy. The older women in their late twenties to mid thirties are likely candidates for me, so I'm thinking about 28-35 age range. The 35+ girls are difficult for me as well as FSM as although conceivably they could have children time is not on their side.

Even many women in the UK once they get past 40 many have said that interest from men on websites like Match falls away a lot, basically as many would have great difficulty conceiving if at all and their looks are often fading.

I know the merits of taking a FSW already with a child have been discussed on here already, that they have shown they are fertile, etc. That said I would be taking on the financial cost of that child (I think more than one child of someone else's would be too many for me) from the word go. That is probably just about feasible for me but not an ideal situation.

Well I'm hoping to get out with my DSLR camera I recently bought this week for a few good shots, hopefully, weather and all being well. With a bit of luck I'm hoping that will do it in terms of turfing up a higher response rate.

If FSW towards their mid twenties are getting past their sell by date and interest from FSU men is starting to drop off then I imagine a guy like me could be considered a decent catch for them?
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #278 on: October 27, 2019, 03:25:36 PM »
If FSW towards their mid twenties are getting past their sell by date and interest from FSU men is starting to drop off then I imagine a guy like me could be considered a decent catch for them?

I think this idea promoted by some here regarding expiration date is a bit oversold.

While it is probably true that the local demand from FSU men decreases as a  woman's age increases . . . this does not mean that the women become desperate (not referring to TC or anyone in particular) at all.

Many of the women seem to accept that they will never be married (or married again) and just go on with their lives.  They likely think that their life alone is not as bad as life with a man that is not a good catch for them.

And, as I remember, unmarried women live just about as long as married women; whereas unmarried men have significantly lower life expectancy compared to married men.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #279 on: October 28, 2019, 02:32:51 PM »
Just to give a quick update. And thank you for all of the advice. Some of it was pretty messed up. But some were really good.

I have not heard any more from my Ukrainian. I guess when she wasn't receiving money then she wasn't going to respond to me. So sad. But I am not one to live in the past. I did check a few more times on the site and she was going on there quite consistently. And for any other apologists, she has a 70% response rate to her potential suitors on there which is quite high. So she is quite active. Another sign of her lack of real honesty.

There are other details to put her veracity into question, but enough is enough of the past.

I am currently dating some in the home town for a while. Met a cute little OB/GYN locally who shows promise. We will see what happens. But I must say my interest in going back and giving it another try does intrigue me.

Of course, I would do it differently next time. I read ML's thread about WM/VM and it makes much sense. It takes away the urgency that is built into shorter visits and only seeing one woman.

I also like the idea of setting up camp in one secondary city as opposed to the main city for an extended time maybe 4 to six weeks. But I need to have my business set up for this. Maybe down the road a bit.

Anyway thanks for the info. And I will let you know if something else comes up.

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #280 on: October 28, 2019, 02:38:59 PM »
You should read also my thread, it will show you a different vibe than the usual, write to you "unknow" lady who has the internet taste, but who knows exactly who is she....
Operation White Panther, if it can help you....
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #281 on: October 28, 2019, 04:47:01 PM »
Thank you. I will check it out.

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #282 on: October 28, 2019, 07:28:20 PM »
I am currently dating some in the home town for a while...... But I must say my interest in going back and giving it another try does intrigue me.


Not sure what city you're out of but there are plenty of FSU women in America. I've dated dozens here in the States although I eventually found my Ukrainian wife living in Libya. My story is below and I go into detail about my dates with FSU women. It'll help guys figure out what they're up against with FSU women. If you have a chance to read it all, you will find many Westerners can't handle it but the FSU women participating in the thread handles it just fine.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #283 on: October 29, 2019, 12:58:01 PM »
Pat,

I was reading your Operation White Panther. But then all of a sudden it jumped about two years forward and you were married? What happened?

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« Reply #284 on: October 29, 2019, 01:00:19 PM »
Thanks Billy I am reading it and it is very interesting. Where did you find so many FSU women in America? I have dated one here a couple of years ago. That is what got me started on this path. But I did not know there were so many?

Is there some secret stash of them? lol

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #285 on: October 29, 2019, 08:44:07 PM »
it's actually VERY easy to meet women in Russia if you're SMART...
based on your facial appearance vrs the facial appearance of local Russian men
Russian women will be able to IMMEDIATELY identify you as a foreigner
and this will get you attention from Russian women RIGHT AWAY!

you have to play up your unique appearance and stimulate a woman’s curiosity!
you don’t want to look like the “casual American Tourist” with jeans and tennis shoes
you want Armani but without a tie...

it would be SUPER EASY for me to pick up women in Moscow...
they approach me all the time...
instead, I have the opposite problem, my oldest daughter has to protect me from the cougar moms of her friends and I have to constantly fend off the horny women there trying to get my attention!!!

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #286 on: October 29, 2019, 09:49:17 PM »
Thanks Billy I am reading it and it is very interesting. Where did you find so many FSU women in America? I have dated one here a couple of years ago. That is what got me started on this path. But I did not know there were so many?

Is there some secret stash of them? lol

There are regions in America where there are over a hundred thousand FSU people live. I live in one of those areas. I used Mamba.ru  It's in Russian but can be viewed in English by choosing the language. Even if you don't live in one of those areas where lots of FSU women live, you can still contact FSU women fairly close by to you and meet them here easier than over there.

I remember trying to get a date with one Russian woman where I live with no luck. I was vacationing in Las Vegas and decided to contact women there.Her profile was changed and listed in Vegas so I contacted her. She just happened to be vacationing there the same time as I. So we agreed to hook up and meet at a casino. She showed up with her friend which was another Russian woman I dated in the past. I spotted them before they spotted me. I wasn't prepared for this and my mind was racing on what to say but I gave both of them a hug and all three of us had a good time in Vegas.

I communicated with Belarussian woman in Vegas who was a stripper. She danced to make money but wanted to find a good man. She told me she's not a hooker and turned down men who offered her up to 20K for a night with her. I thought about it but did not meet her.

There are social media and dating sites that have FSU women living in America that you can contact. I contacted a lot of women. I've been with Russian, Ukrainian, Uzbek, Belarussian, half Ukrainian half Spanish, Armenian, and Kazak women. Some of those women lived in Moldova and East Germany. Some came here on a tourist, work, student, fiancée, marriage, or business visa. Some got asylum or won the green card lottery. Interesting women with interesting backgrounds. A single guy doesn't have to be lonely.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #287 on: October 30, 2019, 01:56:16 AM »
Pat,

I was reading your Operation White Panther. But then all of a sudden it jumped about two years forward and you were married? What happened?
To make it short
After the trip i had related in Operation White Panther i came back to Dnipro in less than 3 months.
I never saw again the girl i met during the first trip, however i had some communication with her, but it didn't go anywhere. I could have been a backup for her but had no intention to be this one.

During the second trip among all the ladies i met i had a meeting with my (ex)  future wife for one hour, who was on my top list. It was great. But she never showed for a second meeting and i understood that she was having a local relationship.

I planned an other trip for the end of the year of 3 weeks in Kharkov.
Prior to this trip to maximize my prospects i open an account on Fdating. Immediately after my (ex) future wife wrote me three very sweet messages. I didn't really care, i was planning this trip in Kharkov and didn't consider her as serious. So basically i told her that i was busy for a month.
After Kharkov, where i stopped an emerging relationship with a beautiful lady of 39 because she was crazy i had two promising contacts. And at this moment my (ex) future wife restarted to contact me. There was so much gentleness and sweetness in her messages that you couldn't ignore her. I had three contacts and was perfectly aware that i had to visit one of them in the short term (less than 4 months).

Finally i thaught "let the communication goes by" and time will show us. After two weeks my (ex) future wife was sitting every evening in front of the computer, learning english as she was typing, to communicate with me. I have like a book of all the messages we exchanged on fdating and later on an other site. We spent countless hours typing.
In February 2012 i visited her for a week and we become engaged. She was in fact married with a local guy. She divorced from him two weeks after my trip.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #288 on: October 30, 2019, 07:50:54 AM »
She told me she's not a hooker and turned down men who offered her up to 20K for a night with her.

I would do it for 20K.
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« Reply #289 on: October 30, 2019, 08:10:06 AM »
I would do it for 20K.
We know now how you made your fortune
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« Reply #290 on: October 30, 2019, 08:42:09 AM »
oh my!!!
in his case, his "first million" really WAS the HARDEST!!!!


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« Reply #291 on: October 30, 2019, 09:26:36 AM »
I would do it for 20K.


How low will you go? I remember an FSU woman coming to the forum claiming heterosexual men would allow another man to have sex with them since everybody has a price. I said I would not have sex with another man for any amount of money. She didn't believe me. To convince her, I then told her my life was worth more than money and if I were prison and a guy wanted to have sex with me, he or I would be dead before I allow that to happen.
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« Reply #292 on: October 30, 2019, 05:26:01 PM »
To make it short
After the trip i had related in Operation White Panther i came back to Dnipro in less than 3 months.
I never saw again the girl i met during the first trip, however i had some communication with her, but it didn't go anywhere. I could have been a backup for her but had no intention to be this one.

During the second trip among all the ladies i met i had a meeting with my (ex)  future wife for one hour, who was on my top list. It was great. But she never showed for a second meeting and i understood that she was having a local relationship.

I planned an other trip for the end of the year of 3 weeks in Kharkov.
Prior to this trip to maximize my prospects i open an account on Fdating. Immediately after my (ex) future wife wrote me three very sweet messages. I didn't really care, i was planning this trip in Kharkov and didn't consider her as serious. So basically i told her that i was busy for a month.
After Kharkov, where i stopped an emerging relationship with a beautiful lady of 39 because she was crazy i had two promising contacts. And at this moment my (ex) future wife restarted to contact me. There was so much gentleness and sweetness in her messages that you couldn't ignore her. I had three contacts and was perfectly aware that i had to visit one of them in the short term (less than 4 months).

Finally i thaught "let the communication goes by" and time will show us. After two weeks my (ex) future wife was sitting every evening in front of the computer, learning english as she was typing, to communicate with me. I have like a book of all the messages we exchanged on fdating and later on an other site. We spent countless hours typing.
In February 2012 i visited her for a week and we become engaged. She was in fact married with a local guy. She divorced from him two weeks after my trip.

Sounds like she wanted out from the guy she was with already for quite some time if she was communicating with you behind his back before you even met. Eager to get out of the country too possibly. I think any messages that are a bit on the sweet side before a guy meets a girl can be a warning sign. Not really talking about the over the top scammer/agency girl emails here but those from normal enough women. Since it's kind of strange that someone acts like that before meeting a guy without knowing him. I know some people buy into what they dream the guy to be like but I think in general it takes meeting first to become fond of someone.

A girl willing to ditch one guy in such a manner could be likely to do the same again. Assuming of course there was not valid reason for doing so like he beat her badly, etc. If a girl tells you the truth on that of course.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #293 on: October 30, 2019, 06:23:03 PM »
Billy,

I signed up for Mamba. I have found it so far to be difficult to use. The search tool looks like it only finds 4 women in my entire state. I know this is wrong because I live in one of the most populated and popular states.

But then it flashes pictures by of women a Tinder type of select or reject type app.

Maybe I have to get a paying membership to actually use the search tool.

You think their would really be responsive to a guy in mid fifties? I have good photos and I am in good shape and have a well writtn profile.

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« Reply #294 on: October 30, 2019, 07:13:13 PM »

The site isn't the easiest to use but check out the search filters and adjust them so you get more options. You should be able to search for all women in your state. Paying for a membership gives you more benefits though. I used the site extensively when I was in my late 30's. At your age you should still be getting responses from ladies who are attracted to you and can accept your age. If you're not clicking with ladies near you, search for FSU women in every State.
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« Reply #295 on: October 30, 2019, 07:45:34 PM »
Billy,

I signed up for Mamba. I have found it so far to be difficult to use. The search tool looks like it only finds 4 women in my entire state. I know this is wrong because I live in one of the most populated and popular states.

But then it flashes pictures by of women a Tinder type of select or reject type app.

Maybe I have to get a paying membership to actually use the search tool.

You think their would really be responsive to a guy in mid fifties? I have good photos and I am in good shape and have a well writtn profile.

Scarface, Mamba is not the same animal as when Billy used to use it. About a year ago they changed it from a largely free site to a money making venture. Sure you can sign up and search for free locally but that is about all.

Even when you pay it's not that great anymore, it was way better when it was largely free. Beware that they have reoccurring subscription now and they try to hide that you are automatically signing up for this when you sign up and you won't get any reminder before they take the renewal money automatically from your account.

One of the main issues though is the functionality of the site, it has gone down a lot. Anyone over 40 is pushed into age brackets of 10 years (at least they were still doing this when I used the site 6 months ago). That means that a lot of girls in their thirties cut of guys over 40. As you will be in the 50-59 age bracket you may find it even harder to find profiles of women that accept communication from that age group. Any outside the age group they specify are blocked.

You could try Elena's models they can have some on there, also Match & POF, but watch out for scammers. Fdate might have some as they are supposed to be 'International'. Other than that they may be local Orthodox Churches in your area or Russian and/or Ukrainian meet up groups, you could look up on Facebook on this perhaps or Google.

I think Fdate while letting the girl state an age range still let guys contact them. In which case I would with whoever takes your interest as it's no big deal for them to pass if they so wish.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #296 on: October 31, 2019, 01:07:25 AM »
Scarface, Mamba is not the same animal as when Billy used to use it. About a year ago they changed it from a largely free site to a money making venture. Sure you can sign up and search for free locally but that is about all.

Even when you pay it's not that great anymore, it was way better when it was largely free. Beware that they have reoccurring subscription now and they try to hide that you are automatically signing up for this when you sign up and you won't get any reminder before they take the renewal money automatically from your account.

One of the main issues though is the functionality of the site, it has gone down a lot. Anyone over 40 is pushed into age brackets of 10 years (at least they were still doing this when I used the site 6 months ago). That means that a lot of girls in their thirties cut of guys over 40. As you will be in the 50-59 age bracket you may find it even harder to find profiles of women that accept communication from that age group. Any outside the age group they specify are blocked.

You could try Elena's models they can have some on there, also Match & POF, but watch out for scammers. Fdate might have some as they are supposed to be 'International'. Other than that they may be local Orthodox Churches in your area or Russian and/or Ukrainian meet up groups, you could look up on Facebook on this perhaps or Google.

I think Fdate while letting the girl state an age range still let guys contact them. In which case I would with whoever takes your interest as it's no big deal for them to pass if they so wish.
Good post Trench
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« Reply #297 on: October 31, 2019, 01:25:02 AM »
Sounds like she wanted out from the guy she was with already for quite some time if she was communicating with you behind his back before you even met. Eager to get out of the country too possibly. I think any messages that are a bit on the sweet side before a guy meets a girl can be a warning sign. Not really talking about the over the top scammer/agency girl emails here but those from normal enough women. Since it's kind of strange that someone acts like that before meeting a guy without knowing him. I know some people buy into what they dream the guy to be like but I think in general it takes meeting first to become fond of someone.

A girl willing to ditch one guy in such a manner could be likely to do the same again. Assuming of course there was not valid reason for doing so like he beat her badly, etc. If a girl tells you the truth on that of course.
Don't want to hijack the topic but
Ex wife is the only one to be capable to answer to your questions. And i have no doubt that she will never tell you the truth.
What i am sure is that she had damned love me.

Now what is sure also, read carefully.

A/ Many men believe hardly that their women were not playing games during their dating stage (games includes the intellectual notion of several courtships and physical notion of one or more fucker).
Some women do it some not, some do it and consider that there are no lie as you are not aware and so on, but for sure, the ONES who are lying to themselves are the men, all time.

B/ A coach i met 12 years ago explained me  that women are not likely to date men one by one, they create a pool, when this is possible and it's often possible, and get the next guy before leaving the previous one.

You face this real world or not. That the game, and they are largely better than us.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #298 on: October 31, 2019, 07:10:37 AM »
Trench thanks for the update. That was helpful. It looks like Mamba is not really an option for finding FSU women in the US. I will try FDate. Does anyone else know of a decent resource for finding FSU women in the US?

I have some local American women I am looking into for the time being. Got another date on Sunday night.. But I got the itch, and I am curious about the route that Billy took to find FSU women in the US.

Pat, interesting comment. I have heard this called monkey branching where attractive women with options have a pool of men to choose from and will not let go of one before grabbing onto another one. I have witnessed this before.

Billy I am reading your epic thread and i am fascinated by your adventure. But even more fascinated by the behavior of your commentors and armchair quarterbacks sniping and haranguing you every step of the way. It is a revealing study in human nature and how the group punishes the individual who dares step out of line. Lol

They will do almost anything to hurt you one moment while telling you they wish you well the next moment. Lol

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #299 on: October 31, 2019, 11:26:35 AM »
A coach i met 12 years ago explained me  that women are not likely to date men one by one, they create a pool, when this is possible and it's often possible, and get the next guy before leaving the previous one.


Your coach didn't understand women well.


The vast majority of women do date men one at a time, unless they are dating very casually.  There are always outliers in everything in life, but your description is not the norm in female behaviour.


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