2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[Trenchcoat]

Current holiday travel abroad ban in UK until the 30th June:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/travel-news-lockdown-easing-flights-holidays-summer-break-passports/amp/

So a little while longer for those of us to wait who were hoping to get over there to meet women - surely should have been made a priority

[Grumpy]

Is social distancing hard in Alaska?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/31/sarah-palin-coronavirus-positive-wear-masks

[Trenchcoat]

Is social distancing hard in Alaska?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/31/sarah-palin-coronavirus-positive-wear-masks

Apparently here in the UK it seems a lot of the spread and hence lack of much further fall off in infection figures is down to essentially what I see as people not bothering with being concerned over the virus. Apparently only just over half of people know the main initial signs of the virus, those that actually get a test or fully isolate for the full period is even lower. After a year of trying to tell people they are either too dim to take it in or I think more likely can't be bothered with it.

I don't think the penny has really dropped with many that it's too late once you've got it and it can cripple you to the point off destroying any quality of life even half decent health tends to give people.

[BillyB]

The corrupt UN organization called "WHO" says that the coronavirus came from an animal although their investigation revealed no animal or carcass at the meat markets contained the virus that causes COVID. They continue to lie for China's benefit.


http://www.theepochtimes.com/who-report-blames-animals-instead-of-wuhan-lab-leak-for-ccp-virus-outbreak-questions-unanswered_3755465.html

What do governments do when a new virus shows up on earth and infects hundreds of people and kills dozens of people? Except for humans, they liquidate every living thing that may or may not contain the virus. Here's a small sample of what they did the past couple of decades. Google will find you more examples.

3 million birds killed in West and Midwest America

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/04/21/401319019/5-million-chickens-to-be-killed-as-bird-flu-outbreak-puzzles-industry

Iowa farm kills 5 million chickens.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/21/401225195/iowa-farm-to-kill-five-million-chickens-in-effort-to-contain-avian-flu

Canada kills 19 million poultry

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/04/canada-kill-19-million-poultry-stop-avian-flu

Gas, knives, and hands kill 1.3 million chickens that led to the death of 4 people in Hong Kong.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/a-million-chickens-killed-in-desperate-attempt-to-stop-spread-of-fatal-disease-1.141492

27,000 Turkeys in Buena Vista County terminated

http://www.vice.com/en/article/vvx8e4/5-million-chickens-are-about-to-be-killed-to-prevent-the-spread-of-avian-flu

Tens of thousands of swans, pigeons, ducks, and chickens killed in two UK locations.

http://plantbasednews.org/opinion/opinion-piece/thousands-chickens-killed-bird-flu-u-k/

22.5 million poultry liquidated in South Korea

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/24/bird-flu-forces-cull-of-22-million-poultry

Dutch veterinarian dies so 23 million chickens slaughtered in Netherlands and Belgium

http://www.scielosp.org/pdf/bwho/2003.v81n6/471-471/en

2 million chickens in Minnesota and 35 million chickens in 15 states met their maker.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bird-flu-outbreak-2-million-more-minnesota-chickens-to-be-killed-due-to-virus/

There are ZERO animals and ZERO carcasses on earth that was found to be the source carrier for the virus that causes COVID yet they want us to believe it came from an animal, not a lab.

[GQBlues]

So now we're told the county is on what they refer to as 'Orange Tier'. Increased occupancy in movie houses, restaurants and entertainment venues have all held their openings e.g. Universal, Six Flags, Dodger & Angel Stadiums. That 1.9 Trillion party bash really did a number on COVID-19!!


While this is definitely a welcomed moment in our neck of the woods, it is quite sad to see the many familiar places couldn't recover from the shut/lock downs. Some of the restaurants wifey and I frequent to will not be around anymore.


http://www.theinfatuation.com/los-angeles/features/la-restaurant-closings

Our clinic invited us to schedule our vaccination. I'll ignore it. For now....maybe forever.

[Trenchcoat]

Our clinic invited us to schedule our vaccination. I'll ignore it. For now....maybe forever.

What vaccine is your clinic offering GQ? Are you put off over concerns about the vaccine?

[GQBlues]

It’s mainly Pfizer or moderna. Not sure if you have freedom of choice which cocktail you’ll get. Although our clinic had notified us they’re scheduled to receive shipments of the Pfizer vaccine.

I’m actually surprised LA County had been pretty diligent in their handling of this. They’re really mindful executing their population control program.  didn’t realize there’s this many Republicans in LA.

http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/vaccine/vaccine-dashboard.htm

[Trenchcoat]

It’s mainly Pfizer or moderna. Not sure if you have freedom of choice which cocktail you’ll get. Although our clinic had notified us they’re scheduled to receive shipments of the Pfizer vaccine.

I’m actually surprised LA County had been pretty diligent in their handling of this. They’re really mindful executing their population control program.  didn’t realize there’s this many Republicans in LA.

http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/vaccine/vaccine-dashboard.htm

Sounds a bit like here, here you don't get to know till you're at the centre, officially. They just say it depends on the shipment on the day which of course is complete bs. Most know what is going where. The public get to know through family & friends, Google reviews & social media.

In the UK you theoretically have a right to walk in a vaccination centre and told it's not the vaccine you hoped for. I wouldn't think twice about doing such as no one can stop you and you're not compelled to have one once there. I can only assume it is the same in the US. If the people in the centre don't like it tough there isn't anything they can do about it. In the centre I went to they all seemed pretty relaxed anyway so I don't think they really would be bothered.

Some reports out today of seven clotting deaths in the UK after taking the Oxford vaccine:

BBC News - Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56620646

No one is really sure if it is linked or put if the usual number of clotting deaths that can occur each year. Apparently a couple possibly after taking the Pfizer one. The EU medicine agency say it, "is not proven but is possible" - in other words they don't know

The odds aren't high, at least at the moment so I guess hope further issues along the way are not encountered and if it is linked it's just the odd few people and a short term thing. I guess at least if it does do you in its cut & dried and so no period of being crippled for a long time to endure.

[Grumpy]

Russia has removed almost all coronavirus restrictions as its vaccination drive ramps up. But the jab campaign has been beset by logistical difficulties and a sceptical public, with the latest figures showing around 6% of Russians have been immunized against the coronavirus.

Officials have also begun to talk about the possibility of a third wave hitting Russia soon. A model developed by analysts at state-controlled Sberbank predicts daily case numbers will rise by more than a third over the next two weeks.

Russia recorded almost 30,000 excess deaths during February, the country’s statistics agency announced Friday — a figure which takes Russia’s total excess fatality count since the start of the coronavirus pandemic above 422,000.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/03/russias-excess-death-toll-hits-422k-a73462

[BillyB]

Seen a few churches in Western society led by Eastern European pastors being harassed by authorities. Here's a sample. They have experienced the gestapo and Communism and they are sick of it.


Jack Posobiec on Twitter: "BREAKING: A Polish pastor just threw out the police who tried to shut down his church in Calgary http://t.co/QjoNx1W47y" / Twitter

[tfcrew]

[Gator]

How effective are vaccines?   A picture speaks a thousand words.

UK and US have rolled out vaccinations aggressively, UK moreso as it implements a policy of vaccinating more people with a single dose rather than fewer with a double dose.   France has been less aggressive. 

Of course, there are other factors, yet the differences in vaccination policies are stark.   

                                    New Daily Cases of COVID/1000,000 Population

                          January 2021                                     April 2021


US                               80                                                   20

UK                               90                                                  <10

France                          30                                                    60


Source:  NY Times (graphic will not link)

[GQBlues]

Gator-

Aren’t those somewhat misleading? The vaccines aren’t supposed to keep you from getting or spreading the virus. Further, at least here in LA, they are no longer aggressively testing as many of the testing sites were replaced with vaccination venues.

[ML]

The vaccines aren’t supposed to keep you from getting or spreading the virus.

I don't understand this statement.

[GQBlues]

I don't understand this statement.

Which part did you not understand, ML?

[BillyB]

Source:  NY Times

NY Times always seem to have an agenda. We are leaving Winter so it's natural the virus will die easier before entering our bodies and warmer weather makes our immune system stronger. Daily new cases have significantly dropped but it's still higher than what we had a year ago. What is good news is deaths are lower than what we had a year ago according to Worldometers USA data.


Like GQ said, vaccinated people can still get infected. Vaccines help elevate our immune system to beat the virus that enters our body so we are less likely to feel ill or die.


I'm still waiting for more studies and real world data to come out before taking a vaccine. What really worries me is two experts, ex VP of Pfizer and ex project manager of epidemics for the Bill Gates Foundation says the current mass vaccination program can be a colossal blunder and lead to mass depopulation.


Go to the -25:47 in the video to see it explained in simple terms on how the vaccines 'may' block our own immune system from fighting COVID and allowing variants of the original virus to slip by and assault our bodies.


http://de-de.facebook.com/1458505510932135/videos/127840342620981/

[ML]

Which part did you not understand, ML?

You posted: The vaccines aren’t supposed to keep you from getting . . . the virus.

My question:  Then what are the vaccines supposed to do ?

[ML]

Wife relayed to me an interesting item she read on Ukrainian discussion board.

An older MD presented her idea which may, of course, not be new.

1) For perhaps forever earlier . . . bacteria that attacked our bodies actually kept viruses away.

2) The development and usage of drugs to kill bacteria allowed viruses to come in and attack our bodies.

3) These early viruses kept out other more dangerous viruses.

4) Development of vaccines to control the early viruses allowed more dangerous viruses to come in and attack our bodies.

What say ye ??

[GQBlues]

You posted: The vaccines aren’t supposed to keep you from getting . . . the virus.

My question:  Then what are the vaccines supposed to do ?

The vaccines are only supposed to limit the severity of COVID-19's virulence (functional immunity), which led to severe conditions, even fatal. It doesn't prevent you from catching, and/or transmitting, the virus (sterilizing immunity - inconclusive).

Coronavirus infection despite vaccination? Maybe, but jabs still save lives | Science| In-depth reporting on science and technology | DW | 26.03.2021


Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

These vaccines are supposed to be >90% effective. In my mind then what's the difference in this from the very vast majority of people who are asymptomatic (those who got infected but never even knew they had it because of the absence of symptoms)?

Moreover, science cannot even tell you how long will this *protection* last. In addition, It may or may not, prove effective from ever-mutating strains...

So I am aching to ask - if the very vast majority (>90%) are asymptomatic, which based on infection rate (tested. The number is even higher if you factor the *untested* folks who may have had the virus) to hospitalization to deaths; what was the point of the vaccines other than to give people a hopeful inferences?

There hasn't been any vaccines that was proven to *stop* any virus known to man, including the common cold.

In LA, the daily cases had dwindled down so much we are almost on the yellow tier (literally back to normal). But what isn't openly announced is we had also dramatically decreased testing for the virus.

http://laist.com/2021/03/25/ask_laist_testing_sites_vaccinations_covid.php

Take Ontario, Canada for example, from what I understand they haven't slowed down on their testing (don't know about hospitalization rate), they are again on a lockdown mode.

This whole thing has more holes than swiss cheese...I am very apprehensive when science is politically managed/driven.

[Grumpy]

Surgeons in New York City have performed the first windpipe transplant in the US, giving a woman who suffered severe asthma a new trachea, the tube that transports air from the mouth to the lungs.

Doctors say such operations could help Covid-19 patients left with serious windpipe damage from breathing machines.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/apr/06/first-us-trachea-transplant-windpipe-damage

[Gator]

The vaccines are only supposed to limit the severity of COVID-19's virulence (functional immunity), which led to severe conditions, even fatal. It doesn't prevent you from catching, and/or transmitting, the virus (sterilizing immunity - inconclusive).

Your Science article concludes it is still possible to become infected with COVID even after immunization.  Correct!  However, what are the odds of infection?     

The 46,307 test subjects in the clinical trials of the Pfizer vaccine are still being monitored and tested, six months after immunization.  The efficacy is 91.3%   (of 927 confirmed symptomatic cases,  850 cases were in the placebo group and 77 cases were in the vaccinated group).  Assuming half the subjects were vaccinated,  the odds of becoming infected are 23,153.5::77 or 300 to 1. 

Most important as you posted, "the vaccine was 100% effective against severe disease as defined by the U.S. CDC. 

http://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-confirm-high-efficacy-and-no-serious

The point of  my morning post was to show that the two nations UK and US with large vaccination programs have seen a drastic decline in infections, which is what we want if we are to return to normal.

[Trenchcoat]

I think the rough figure is that most vaccines in general reduced the chance of spreading the virus by two thirds. So if most of a country's population had the vaccine just think of what that would do to the R number. It could potentially even without lockdown but just general social distancing & mask measures reduce the transmission rate below 1. It seems that it only takes a few months at that rate for the virus to hit low number of infections maybe even zero infections at which point the virus could be eradicated.

Once the virus has nowhere to go the final virus cells present on stuff will degrade over a few days and go.

The only thing that may upset that are mutant varients and countries slow to vaccinate like the EU.

That said there seems to be a shift in the regulators position in both the EU and the UK now in that after saying that there is no connection between the Oxford Vaccine & blood clots they now seem to be starting to go back on what they say and starting to say there is/could be. Even still it still looks a better bet for most people than the risk of contracting the virus and dying from that or being left in a right state with organ failure or trouble as a result of getting the virus.

[BillyB]

4) Development of vaccines to control the early viruses allowed more dangerous viruses to come in and attack our bodies.

What say ye ??

#4 would mean mass depopulation could happen, a theory by a couple of experts I mentioned earlier. All this is happening so fast and this could be a colossal blunder.

Here's an article that says the fasted vaccine ever created took 4 years until COVID vaccines came along.

http://www.fool.com/investing/2021/04/06/pfizers-ceo-makes-a-claim-that-might-shock-anyone/?source=eptyholnk0000202&utm_source=yahoo-host&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=article

There's a lot of medicines that went through years of rigorous trials only to be recalled after released to the public for consumption. Zantac used to be advertised all over tv and now there's a class action suit against them.

[Shadow]

Wife relayed to me an interesting item she read on Ukrainian discussion board.

An older MD presented her idea which may, of course, not be new.

1) For perhaps forever earlier . . . bacteria that attacked our bodies actually kept viruses away.

2) The development and usage of drugs to kill bacteria allowed viruses to come in and attack our bodies.

3) These early viruses kept out other more dangerous viruses.

4) Development of vaccines to control the early viruses allowed more dangerous viruses to come in and attack our bodies.

What say ye ??

Reason why I have always had the policy of taking as little medicine as possible. It help the drugs work when needed, as our body gets used to about anything that is brought in to the system regularly.
The increase in  allergies and asthma may be due to the extreme sterile conditions we prefer to keep our babies in, keeping them from developing being used to natural allergents.

[Trenchcoat]

Moderna vaccine already here now and about to start being used in Wales, Scotland soon after and then rest of England:

BBC News - Covid: Moderna vaccine UK rollout begins in Wales
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56657038

So glad to have avoided that one as another mRNA vaccine. The Oxford vaccine may not be 100 percent safe but even if there is a link to rare blood clots the number is pretty low so will hope for the best, no problems as yet as far as I know, more common in younger women apparently though I guess they might have just been fatties lol.

Cases of infections starting to come down again now to around two thousand and something a day so on that front looking positive so far here.