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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1150 on: April 27, 2018, 10:42:38 AM »
Perhaps you are right in them being hot but like said I need to feel a woman is genuinely into me to get a really hard, hard on. Otherwise the less I feel she is genuinely into me and the more doubt the less hard I can become.

Use Viagra or Cialis or something? It's $0.20 a tab here in the States if you don't have a Rx.

Additionally to that I have always seen the prostitute/escort as rather seedy. I'm not really at all a religious guy but I've always felt that going with them diminishes who I am as a person like it devalues me - them I do not know how they feel about doing it. So it's something I don't do and am not interested in no matter how hot they may be.

For some people the seedy aspect makes it better. Tell a kid don't touch the stove and they touch it. Same concept.

I've always viewed it as the guy is paying in one way or another. In Time, Dates/Food/Drinks, or cutting through all the BS and handing an envelope over. Same result and still requires currency in one form or another.

Also not forgetting there are STI's such as Herpes to consider. No doubt an increased risK as many prostitutes/escorts go with loads of guys so not something I would want.

I once walked down the tourist red light district of Amsterdam looking at the women in the windows there with my brother. Like many a tourist it was an interesting scene with several hot women being displayed, but apart from looking and perving a bit they idea of going with them never really appealed.

Don't DFK, and use a Condom. Also don't pick up street walkers and go with higher end escorts. Good to go.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1151 on: April 27, 2018, 10:42:46 AM »
oh no, the Amsterdam Red Light District, no...
Ukrainian escorts are 5 star jay not one star or two star like in Amsterdam
and they come to you, and you come to...

no, I get the stigma Jay, and:
A: that's part of what makes it cool
B: these girls are basically Ukrainian college girls who need $$$ - 19 yr old blond hair/blue eyes knockouts!!!
C: no ambiguity, get exactly what you want, the only thing off limits would probably be grave robbing

and it's frustration free and fun!!!


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1152 on: April 27, 2018, 10:44:01 AM »
jay,
don’t be one the lost wandering around Ukraine looking for “love”

when for the same effort you can with a guarantee have “sex”

cost of a round-trip ticket Heathrow to Odessa is what $800
a week’s apartment rental beach front Odessa $300

two escorts
#1 19-21
#2 26-28

$2000 for 2 days for both (next time straight through them for 1/2 price)
plus about $500 worth of food and alcohol

this experience will leave you walking “bowl-legged” for at least a month
you will learn more than you will ever want to know about women from this experience alone...

You do know I'm Trench and not Jay don't you? :-\

Like I said in case you meant me it's something I have no interest in no matter how good it is described.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1153 on: April 27, 2018, 10:48:17 AM »
sorry, it's the accent

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1154 on: April 27, 2018, 10:49:19 AM »
and at a distance all white people look the same to me

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1155 on: April 27, 2018, 10:57:15 AM »
"Granted I am not the most emotional person around "

I'm sure what your description really means, is that in reality you don't have emotional intimacy with the people around you
what everyone is trying to tell you Trench..
and also trying to tell you that without this, relationships fail...

that's the simple message
my posts to you have been about ways for you to change this
but the first step is you have to want to...

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1156 on: April 27, 2018, 11:46:30 AM »
trench,
whatever “thing” it is that propels you to took for “love” in Ukraine, you should try once just having sex there instead, and see how much of that “thing” remains...

you may find that really what you’re looking for is physical intimacy and not the emotional kind, because you cannot expect to receive that which you cannot also give...

it seems like most guys are following a “program”
and not really thinking, if you ask me
the program is: "must--find--wife"
but really there are LOTS of alternatives to this!
I think some guys may find more happiness following a different path than must--find--wife

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1157 on: April 27, 2018, 01:11:53 PM »
In all honesty I still care about the last girl that I was with even with all the issues. Some are no longer the issues they were now with the help of others on here like Boethius I understand more about them. I know though that things have to change there if we were to ever get back together.

No. 1 - she would have to drop her demand for a UK tourist visa at least in the short term and find somewhere we could meet/stay together to work on relationship together.

No. 2 - Some resolution as to the clothes spending would have to be reached that we would both be happy with. In reality I think this would mean some backing down on her part and I don't think this would happen until she's matured a bit - so probably at least a year or so on that one, she could do relatively so as she's mid rather than early twenties, early twenties and I would have a hell of a wait on my hands I think.

I think her knowing the language can help with emotional intimacy between us as you can relate more easily if you can tell the other how you feel more easily. The other thing is I need more contact in her life and at the moment she does not wish to see me in her home city so I cannot feel what I don't know is happening in her life.

Thing is I am not just after sex but a fulfilling relationship. I need to be part of her life fully and she part if mine but with the last girl we never really crossed that bridge. I was blocked by Visa rules from her seeing/being a part of my life here and then blocked by her me being a part of her life in her home city.

I don't see myself as any more to blame than she is , we both made mistakes and stuff worked against us. Only being with someone together a reasonable time and really being part of their life do I think one can be emotionally intimate naturally without being fake and just doing an act which again I have no interest in.

I am presently changing some practical parts of my life to try and avoid barriers like I had with last girl reoccurring and allowing me the time and manoeuvreability to bond in a relationship with a girl on a more emotionally intimate level.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1158 on: April 27, 2018, 02:44:59 PM »
krimster, no need to give advice to him...he'll learn on his own.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1159 on: April 27, 2018, 02:45:34 PM »
Trench you got no clue buddy.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1160 on: April 27, 2018, 03:16:10 PM »
Trench with the money you spent on the last girl buying her things, it would have been cheaper to just find a hooker.

You thinking she wants a UK visa as some ulterior motive is laughable.  that's why you failed.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1161 on: April 27, 2018, 05:28:44 PM »
Trench with the money you spent on the last girl buying her things, it would have been cheaper to just find a hooker.

There's Amsterdam for that but I'm not interested in that I'm interested in a serious long term relationship.

You know Sting all the aggressive posting you do on here just tells me all you have to do with your time is this forum. I don't think you are who you make out you are. I don't think you have any friends, wealth or prospects what so ever. I don't think you have a gf FSW or otherwise. I even doubt your story of having lived in Moscow. If you had anywhere near what you claim you had you would be content and not needing to onslaught yourself on others in forums such as this. I believe most of all you are an archetype of the term Troll, so please, begone.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1162 on: April 28, 2018, 03:20:15 AM »
Use Viagra or Cialis or something? It's $0.20 a tab here in the States if you don't have a Rx.

For some people the seedy aspect makes it better. Tell a kid don't touch the stove and they touch it. Same concept.

I've always viewed it as the guy is paying in one way or another. In Time, Dates/Food/Drinks, or cutting through all the BS and handing an envelope over. Same result and still requires currency in one form or another.

Don't DFK, and use a Condom. Also don't pick up street walkers and go with higher end escorts. Good to go.

Viagra can bring on heart attacks so even for a not so old guy it would be a last resort and quite probably a risk not worth taking.

Herpes can be caught even by wearing a condom, a condom is no use against it. Just depends if you go with a partner who carries it and transmits it. It can be transmitted through normal sex when wearing a condom since it occurs in the groin area surrounding the penis or vagina. It can be transmitted other ways as well but this is the most common/viral.

So if you go with an 'escort' who gas been around a lot and most have the more the chance of catching it. Also possible from a relationship with a girl who hasn't slept around a lot but just unlucky.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1163 on: April 28, 2018, 03:30:23 AM »
Quote from: krimster2 link=topic=22008.msg482009#msg482009

I live with three emotionally volatile women, three, not one...

I call them fulminite of mercury, nitroglycerin, and nitrogen-tri-iodine
they are extremely volatile!! 
liable to explode over small perturbations in the environment
some unexpected event occurs, like the family cat is runover for instance
will mean the end of the universe in a fury of fire and thunder
and woe unto he who delivers an ovation at the funeral of said cat, if it is judged to be insufficiently “moving” by fellow funeral attendees...

seriously, you have no appreciation for how simple and peaceful your life is...

This is very much worth a thought & a worthy contribution I feel. You've helped me that a lot if women are going to have some character flaw that is likely to be difficult to live with. So if a girl has one flaw it may be a blessing that she doesn't have a different flaw and consider how difficult it may be to work with a girl with a certain type of character flaw. That or look for an  exceptional woman like 2tallbill did. My thought is trying to find a girl without a character flaw and one where there is mutual chemistry may be a tall order. So is the girl still a goer with a character flaw if one can learn to deal with her character flaw? Is a question to ask myself I'm thinking.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1164 on: April 28, 2018, 06:00:46 AM »
1/ Trench, you cannot be that fussy..given your options

2/ ..you are no expert on how one can catch an STI, either
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1165 on: April 28, 2018, 06:26:42 AM »
If you and Nightwish were not so up your own rears and offered real advice about FSU dating rather than aggression and thinking your a touch above all the newbies etc then it would have not gone how it went.
Remind me again how many times you been to Ukraine, how many Ukrainian women you have dated. How long those relationships you had lasted.

Now let's compare that to my experience the last 4,5 years.

Trips to Ukraine ~40
Days spent in Ukraine - ~300
Ukrainian women I dated -  ~100
Ukrainian women I been in a relationships with -  3
First one lasted 3 months
Second one 5 months
Third one  ~16 months (and still going)


So why have I dated to many,easy - it is a numbers game to find the right one - most dates just lasted a lunch or dinner, maybe a day or two.. then I or she realized, there was no attraction or chemistry so we parted.

So why didn't the first two relationships work, well the first one ended it because she got "cold feet" about leaving Ukraine, her family, her friends, her work, her language and culture.

Second one had a son, as soon as the father found out about me and her plans, he started to try and extort money from me to "let his son go" even though he had no contact at all with him before I came in to the picture, but he was the biological father and made demands to be part of his life if I didn't pay him $5000.
When the girl I was with found out, she ended all communications with me because she did not want to put me in that situation.

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You guys take anything a newbie says as an afront to your pride on everything FSU.
Nope, but when you slander a country you know nothing about and acts like an idiot, I am going to call you out on it.. you are an clueless idiot and nothing will change that.

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Stop viewing everyone as outsiders who want to date a FSW, you will never be a native FSU person however better you think you are than those newbies on FSU culture, you will also at heart always be an outsider however different to others you feel about yourself. Please come down of the high lofty perch you have set yourself upon!

When you first came her with all your newbie questions I really tried to help you , giving solid advice, answering your sometimes weird questions,tried to get you on the right track, explaining everything, but you would not listen, not to a single piece of advice..  and after a given amount of time when you keep acting like a f**king child and don't take in any advice you are given or even acknowledge that you are clueless, well then I don't feel the need to try anymore.

And how ever much you want slander me and say I don't know "anything" about FSU, well that only shows what a thick dickhead you are - I refer to my experiences, I never had a wish to be native FSU, but I do have a big knowledge about the culture and how life is there. That is an interest of mine, to get all the information I can about life in Ukraine from my g/f since that is how I really understand her and understands her point of view.

Is something of this sticking to your teflon brain?  I think not and I really do not care if you understand anything I say.

The worst case scenario is when new people comes in here and you "offer expert advice" on shit you know nothing about, and they respond to that with a "thanks trench you seem to know what you are talking about" which has happened on a few occasions now, and that is simple, they look at your post count and that you are refereed to as "Hero Member" and probably thinks, "this dude know what he is talking about."

Yet your "advice" is at best daft, but most often down right idiotic and harmful to the new members in the beginning of his "journey".  Something I share with a couple of other posters - you know - the ones you can't stand and always tried to put down with personal attacks when you are called out on your idiotic remarks.

In short you can boil it down to - you are still a clueless idiot even after 1900 posts, and I am a lot better then you in all areas, I know more, I experienced more and I am still willing to learn when I find out something new, that is something you simply can’t do with your reptile brain.

but you go ahead and listen to the childgroomer Billy who seems to have become your idol, and tall2bill who even he got tired of your ignorance and no longer answers you on your post, but writes to the lurkers who read to give them a second (more correct) view on things.
and no I don't agree with everything he says either, but that is his opinion and at least his post are based on his experience  - something you lack completely.

So are you going to Russia? Ukraine? Poland? a week, a month, live there and teach (bad) English or trick women that you are photographer? Maybe as such you can get them to take their clothes of so you get new wanker material for the long winter when you an visit those places..

idiot! 
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1166 on: April 28, 2018, 06:48:39 AM »
"women are going to have some character flaw that is likely to be difficult to live with."

Trench
ALL WOMEN are difficult to live with, especially for about a week per month...

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1167 on: April 28, 2018, 07:06:21 AM »
Remind me again how many times you been to Ukraine, how many Ukrainian women you have dated. How long those relationships you had lasted.

Now let's compare that to my experience the last 4,5 years.

Trips to Ukraine ~40
Days spent in Ukraine - ~300
Ukrainian women I dated -  ~100
Ukrainian women I been in a relationships with -  3
First one lasted 3 months
Second one 5 months
Third one  ~16 months (and still going)


So why have I dated to many,easy - it is a numbers game to find the right one - most dates just lasted a lunch or dinner, maybe a day or two.. then I or she realized, there was no attraction or chemistry so we parted.

So why didn't the first two relationships work, well the first one ended it because she got "cold feet" about leaving Ukraine, her family, her friends, her work, her language and culture.

Second one had a son, as soon as the father found out about me and her plans, he started to try and extort money from me to "let his son go" even though he had no contact at all with him before I came in to the picture, but he was the biological father and made demands to be part of his life if I didn't pay him $5000.
When the girl I was with found out, she ended all communications with me because she did not want to put me in that situation.
Nope, but when you slander a country you know nothing about and acts like an idiot, I am going to call you out on it.. you are an clueless idiot and nothing will change that.

When you first came her with all your newbie questions I really tried to help you , giving solid advice, answering your sometimes weird questions,tried to get you on the right track, explaining everything, but you would not listen, not to a single piece of advice..  and after a given amount of time when you keep acting like a f**king child and don't take in any advice you are given or even acknowledge that you are clueless, well then I don't feel the need to try anymore.

And how ever much you want slander me and say I don't know "anything" about FSU, well that only shows what a thick dickhead you are - I refer to my experiences, I never had a wish to be native FSU, but I do have a big knowledge about the culture and how life is there. That is an interest of mine, to get all the information I can about life in Ukraine from my g/f since that is how I really understand her and understands her point of view.

Is something of this sticking to your teflon brain?  I think not and I really do not care if you understand anything I say.

The worst case scenario is when new people comes in here and you "offer expert advice" on shit you know nothing about, and they respond to that with a "thanks trench you seem to know what you are talking about" which has happened on a few occasions now, and that is simple, they look at your post count and that you are refereed to as "Hero Member" and probably thinks, "this dude know what he is talking about."

Yet your "advice" is at best daft, but most often down right idiotic and harmful to the new members in the beginning of his "journey".  Something I share with a couple of other posters - you know - the ones you can't stand and always tried to put down with personal attacks when you are called out on your idiotic remarks.

In short you can boil it down to - you are still a clueless idiot even after 1900 posts, and I am a lot better then you in all areas, I know more, I experienced more and I am still willing to learn when I find out something new, that is something you simply can’t do with your reptile brain.

but you go ahead and listen to the childgroomer Billy who seems to have become your idol, and tall2bill who even he got tired of your ignorance and no longer answers you on your post, but writes to the lurkers who read to give them a second (more correct) view on things.
and no I don't agree with everything he says either, but that is his opinion and at least his post are based on his experience  - something you lack completely.

So are you going to Russia? Ukraine? Poland? a week, a month, live there and teach (bad) English or trick women that you are photographer? Maybe as such you can get them to take their clothes of so you get new wanker material for the long winter when you an visit those places..

idiot!

Your problem is Nightwish is that the majority of guys looking for a date in the FSU come from a different background to you. In this respect I come from a much similar background to the majority so can relate more to them than you. You come from a background that allows the above extensive excursions on the FSU. Most guys that are looking for a relationship in the FSU are restricted to the 7 dater, or 2 weeks or similar.

They do not have the wealth you do, nor do I, they have to hold down full time jobs, etc. They want to hear from guys that are similarly restricted on time & means bit some rich guy who can fire away at will, that is telling them nothing other than its something they can't do. They can't bet on every horse in the race and at the end of it say 'I've won!' They can only bet on one or two horses  to hope for a winner. They don't have the luxury of making mistakes our there knowing they can do something different next week, and the week after that,  and the next week, etc. They are not likely to return for a good few weeks of months. So they want to know how a 7 dayer guy goes about it and the problems he faced as a newbie. They don't want a proffessor on Ukraine to bamboozle them but a layman to which they can relate. After all that's the experience they are going to face. The common newbie errors are what they are looking to avoid.

I think you take this forum thing too seriously Nightwish try to relax about it all. I know what 2tallbill has told me and I don't dispute it. I sometimes like to explore the ins & outs of things that mag look like I haven't listened but I still very much remember and am just feeling my Wat around the situation. So I would just say give your advice and be happy in that if someone says something you think is silly to the contrary it is no skin off whatever you said.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1168 on: April 28, 2018, 07:37:26 AM »
Your problem is..

Er,  Nightwish is in a long-term relationship...YOU aren't

Yet you really ARE daft enough to 'challenge' his advice.....

Please, after DK and Trench. .it could be a problem for newbies. .believing all British are this silly.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1169 on: April 28, 2018, 07:52:29 AM »
Trench,

not everyone can do everything...
if you’re coming to this forum looking for feedback to be utilized to help you “improve your chances”, I think the forum has done that...

and there seems to be a universal consensus that “you need to work on yourself”

and if the tiny sliver of your personality that can be expressed on this board produces that response, imagine WHAT IT MUST BE LIKE IN “REAL LIFE” with the Ukrainian women you meet...

I know SO MANY people who made the mistake of thinking that they MUST get married and have a family and end up leaving nothing but wreckage behind them...

you might get lucky Trench in fulfilling your search, you really might...
but odds are you won’t be.
I hope you can avoid the pain you’re rushing towards...

I would look at alternatives if I were you, AND take a hard look at yourself
how did you get to where you are today?
I would get more involved with people where you live
try and make some friends, and I’d really stress getting a hobby of some sort that can force you to go out and meet new people

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1170 on: April 28, 2018, 08:24:44 AM »
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1171 on: April 28, 2018, 08:39:41 AM »
Your problem is Nightwish is that the majority of guys looking for a date in the FSU come from a different background to you. In this respect I come from a much similar background to the majority so can relate more to them than you. You come from a background that allows the above extensive excursions on the FSU. Most guys that are looking for a relationship in the FSU are restricted to the 7 dater, or 2 weeks or similar.


I'm not wealthy, I haven't spent any huge amount on all these trips either, with a little planning and a "go for it" spirit you can do it quite cheap.

Now first of all, I started this exactly as almost everyone else, I went to a datingsite, talked to a couple of women I liked, difference to you is, then went to see them with no real expectation, it was a first date and maybe a second/third, and maybe a rumble around in the bedroom, more often no then yes.

And that's it.. I didn't go there "in love" I went there to see if I would fall in love/feel the chemistry with the one I met. Sometimes I did, sometimes I did not.

A four day weekend cost me less then $1000, so I could make one of those once a month for the first months without problem.

Now lets see what a trip would cost you today.
Ukraine Airlines from Gatwick
Thu, 14 Jun
LGW - KBP
Sun, 17 Jun
KBP - LGW
TOTAL PRICE £190 - $ 264.58

Premier Hotel Rus 3 star hotel
3 nights with breakfast
TOTAL PRICE £136 - $ 188

3 lunch + 3 dinner + the odd coffee or tea, taxi etc...  £ 300 - $ 380
Meal for 2 People, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course   500-1000 UAH £ 14-28 / $20-40

So you see I counted a little on the high side even with £ 300 but for the sake of argument say you spend that amount.

Total £ 650-700  or  $890-950

You have 3 whole days in Ukraine and it that time you can at least ring up 3-6 dates, or focus on one or two.
You want to tell me that is expensive? You need to be wealthy to do this?
Average wage in UK is? £2500-3000 after tax?

Even if you only can go every two months you still manage 6 trips/year and can ring up 12-24 dates.. that is experience you cant read yourself to. In the summer on vacation, stay two weeks, rent an apartment for £100 and make your own food when you don't have dates.. "everything" in Ukraine is cheap compared to home.


I did exactly this, I went there, I spent time on the ground, scanning everywhere for dates,datingsites, apps (mamba & blendr) on my phone, in bars, on the street, in the park.. it's not even difficult to get a beautiful, sexy, model like woman to accept a coffee in the park and talk about life.

I have always been completely honest about why I am there and most women appreciated my advances and felt "chosen" when I approached them. Sure, I was turned down more times then I can count, but hey.. that's life. I got turned down at the local bar also in my hometown.

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They do not have the wealth you do, nor do I, they have to hold down full time jobs, etc. They want to hear from guys that are similarly restricted on time & means bit some rich guy who can fire away at will, that is telling them nothing other than its something they can't do. They can't bet on every horse in the race and at the end of it say 'I've won!' They can only bet on one or two horses  to hope for a winner. They don't have the luxury of making mistakes our there knowing they can do something different next week, and the week after that,  and the next week, etc. They are not likely to return for a good few weeks of months. So they want to know how a 7 dayer guy goes about it and the problems he faced as a newbie. They don't want a proffessor on Ukraine to bamboozle them but a layman to which they can relate. After all that's the experience they are going to face. The common newbie errors are what they are looking to avoid.
and you are NOT talking for the majority of visitors here, you live in UK - 3 hours from Ukraine, most visitors here I would think are "Yankees" and they have 10-15 hours one way to Ukraine and 3-4 times the cost of a flight-ticket, so don't even try and say you talk for them.
They would have to spend your entire budget on only the ticket and a whole day travel.

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I think you take this forum thing too seriously Nightwish try to relax about it all. I know what 2tallbill has told me and I don't dispute it. I sometimes like to explore the ins & outs of things that mag look like I haven't listened but I still very much remember and am just feeling my Wat around the situation. So I would just say give your advice and be happy in that if someone says something you think is silly to the contrary it is no skin off whatever you said.

no I don't take this too serious, I just call out on idiots like you who likely will ruin someone else experience with your idiotic remarks and brain-dead advice's.


Now I book my tickets long in advance, and they cost me about £130 / $170 round trip.. and I acquired so many miles with Ukraine airlines I very often gets bumped to business class..but paying for economy "wow how impressive" :D
but this is, because I have a very good reason to go there (the sex, only for the sex of course)

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1172 on: April 28, 2018, 09:23:22 AM »

I'm not wealthy, I haven't spent any huge amount on all these trips either, with a little planning and a "go for it" spirit you can do it quite cheap.

Now first of all, I started this exactly as almost everyone else, I went to a datingsite, talked to a couple of women I liked, difference to you is, then went to see them with no real expectation, it was a first date and maybe a second/third, and maybe a rumble around in the bedroom, more often no then yes.

And that's it.. I didn't go there "in love" I went there to see if I would fall in love/feel the chemistry with the one I met. Sometimes I did, sometimes I did not.

A four day weekend cost me less then $1000, so I could make one of those once a month for the first months without problem.

Now lets see what a trip would cost you today.
Ukraine Airlines from Gatwick
Thu, 14 Jun
LGW - KBP
Sun, 17 Jun
KBP - LGW
TOTAL PRICE £190 - $ 264.58

Premier Hotel Rus 3 star hotel
3 nights with breakfast
TOTAL PRICE £136 - $ 188

3 lunch + 3 dinner + the odd coffee or tea, taxi etc...  £ 300 - $ 380
Meal for 2 People, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course   500-1000 UAH £ 14-28 / $20-40

So you see I counted a little on the high side even with £ 300 but for the sake of argument say you spend that amount.

Total £ 650-700  or  $890-950

You have 3 whole days in Ukraine and it that time you can at least ring up 3-6 dates, or focus on one or two.
You want to tell me that is expensive? You need to be wealthy to do this?
Average wage in UK is? £2500-3000 after tax?

Even if you only can go every two months you still manage 6 trips/year and can ring up 12-24 dates.. that is experience you cant read yourself to. In the summer on vacation, stay two weeks, rent an apartment for £100 and make your own food when you don't have dates.. "everything" in Ukraine is cheap compared to home.


I did exactly this, I went there, I spent time on the ground, scanning everywhere for dates,datingsites, apps (mamba & blendr) on my phone, in bars, on the street, in the park.. it's not even difficult to get a beautiful, sexy, model like woman to accept a coffee in the park and talk about life.

I have always been completely honest about why I am there and most women appreciated my advances and felt "chosen" when I approached them. Sure, I was turned down more times then I can count, but hey.. that's life. I got turned down at the local bar also in my hometown.
and you are NOT talking for the majority of visitors here, you live in UK - 3 hours from Ukraine, most visitors here I would think are "Yankees" and they have 10-15 hours one way to Ukraine and 3-4 times the cost of a flight-ticket, so don't even try and say you talk for them.
They would have to spend your entire budget on only the ticket and a whole day travel.

no I don't take this too serious, I just call out on idiots like you who likely will ruin someone else experience with your idiotic remarks and brain-dead advice's.


Now I book my tickets long in advance, and they cost me about £130 / $170 round trip.. and I acquired so many miles with Ukraine airlines I very often gets bumped to business class..but paying for economy "wow how impressive" :D
but this is, because I have a very good reason to go there (the sex, only for the sex of course)

*disclaimer* this message could include some irony *end disclaimer*


Most people don't earn the average wage here, I think it is skewed by figures of those earning massive amounts, company directors, stockbrokers, business owners, etc. A wage of around £1500 a month is what most British would be more familiar with at present. Plus remember to account to take tax of any said figure.

For sure I could be there once a month as even on my wage I could manage that even if it temporary ment a bit of overspend to later be made up. I'm not disputing that once a month is a strategy that can work out very well. To date I have tried other methods with mixed results. I'm not suggesting others do what I did. I just did what was suggested to me elsewhere, to find one woman and go meet her for a few days. No doubt there are many ways guys do this venture. I have just been asking questions on here to sound out the differing strategies.

Thank you for your input :) I will consider doing more frequent trips this year to try and see if it may work for me. I am first planning a two week trip to Lviv on early June. If no joy with this I will switch to a once a month long weekend trip and try that. It doesn't look like I will be able to do a extended stay out there as I hoped as stuff hasn't progressed in my life to allow for that, next year maybe but this year is kind of out on that one. I will give it a try and let you all know how it goes.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1173 on: April 28, 2018, 10:11:09 AM »
Most people don't earn the average wage here, I think it is skewed by figures of those earning massive amounts, company directors, stockbrokers, business owners, etc. A wage of around £1500 a month is what most British would be more familiar with at present. Plus remember to account to take tax of any said figure.

For sure I could be there once a month as even on my wage I could manage that even if it temporary ment a bit of overspend to later be made up. I'm not disputing that once a month is a strategy that can work out very well. To date I have tried other methods with mixed results. I'm not suggesting others do what I did. I just did what was suggested to me elsewhere, to find one woman and go meet her for a few days. No doubt there are many ways guys do this venture. I have just been asking questions on here to sound out the differing strategies.

Thank you for your input :) I will consider doing more frequent trips this year to try and see if it may work for me. I am first planning a two week trip to Lviv on early June. If no joy with this I will switch to a once a month long weekend trip and try that. It doesn't look like I will be able to do a extended stay out there as I hoped as stuff hasn't progressed in my life to allow for that, next year maybe but this year is kind of out on that one. I will give it a try and let you all know how it goes.

according to the sources I found the average salary in UK is around £ 30000
That gives you a income of £ 2500 a month, but you are saying most people take home about £1500?

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/davos/global-wage-calculator/
£33600

http://www.monster.co.uk/career-advice/article/uk-average-salary-graphs
£30500




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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #1174 on: April 28, 2018, 10:25:47 AM »
Trench - if you are now attempting to downplay your earnings potential to £1500 / gross then you aren't earning enough for your lady to get a spousal visa

 

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