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Putin will break NATO
« on: September 19, 2014, 10:16:23 PM »

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2014, 07:49:54 AM »
Putin has made NATO worthless. 



If Putin believes that, he will proceed with conquest which may take him past Ukraine. The only thing that will stop Putin is if he believes somebody militarily stronger is in his way which could defeat him. Sanctions don't work, just pisses him off more. When sh!t hits the fan, we will see how many NATO nations are motivated to live up to their responsibilities.
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2014, 08:06:15 AM »
He has already done that.  He has seized Ukraine, taken a Lithuanian ship, probed our air defenses on several NATO countries, kidnapped an Estonian officer and failed to release Ukrainian POWs.

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2014, 11:52:26 AM »
He has already done that.  He has seized Ukraine, taken a Lithuanian ship, probed our air defenses on several NATO countries, kidnapped an Estonian officer and failed to release Ukrainian POWs.


Putin is just toying with and bullying the Baltics to see if NATO has balls to stand up to him. He is testing the waters, not invading...yet.
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2014, 11:55:50 AM »

Putin is just toying with and bullying the Baltics to see if NATO has balls to stand up to him. He is testing the waters, not invading...yet.

Putin has already proved that NATO does not have the courage to stand up but will back down.  He will slice and slice and slice. Be ware of an old man in a hurry.

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2014, 12:03:47 PM »

Putin will get the support of his people on this. Ethnic Russians are discriminated against in the Baltics and USA and NATO got involved with those countries just as they did in Ukraine so they are to blame for all the problems that's happening there and that will happen in the future. Russia has been involved in those countries for decades but there's enough sheeple that believes America was sticking it's nose in there first.
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2014, 07:32:54 PM »
Putin will get the support of his people on this. Ethnic Russians are discriminated against in the Baltics

Most Latvians don't want to join Putin.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27800878

There is discrimination against Russians in Kazakhstan but almost nowhere else in the Post Soviet space

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 04:40:53 AM »
Ethnic Russians are discriminated against in the Baltics

You mean poor russians have to obey law and learn language of the country they live in?

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2014, 03:56:25 PM »
  taken a Lithuanian ship,   
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Russia’s Federal Security Service said border guards were complying with international obligations under the North-East Atlantic Fisheries Commission by seizing the ship. The boat was carrying an illegal 15-ton haul of crab, it said in a website statement. The vessel had strayed in Russian waters, Russia’s state-controlled Vesti television reported.
Norwegian coast guards tracked the vessel in international waters yesterday, Steve Olsen, a spokesman, said by phone. They don’t know whether the boat entered Russian waters, nor where it was and when it was seized, he said.

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2014, 04:22:13 PM »

Putin is just toying with and bullying the Baltics to see if NATO has balls to stand up to him. He is testing the waters, not invading...yet.
I think that this ship is just a provocation.

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 09:28:48 PM »
I found this interesting article today regarding NATO and how the member states have differences regarding Ukraine and Russia.




Vladimir Putin, the wily strategist of Russian revanchism, is well on his way to reconstructing the Warsaw Pact. That, at least, is what the pundits of [/size]The Washington Post[/color][/size] are making it out to seem.......[/color][/i]




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-feffer/nato-rebellion-in-the-ran_b_6075282.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2014, 12:05:02 AM »
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The Kremlin was under the impression that it had received guarantees that NATO would not expand to its doorstep. As Mary Elise Sarotte [/size]writes[/color][/size] in [/color][/size]Foreign Affairs[/color][/size], Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and company received unwritten assurances early on that not even East Germany would be part of NATO. Then, in exchange for what amounted to a huge Deutschemark bribe, Gorbachev assented to a united Germany entering NATO. .[/color]


The above, from the article, is inaccurate.  Gorbachev has recently stated there were no guarantees given on NATO expansion.
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 09:13:46 AM »

The above, from the article, is inaccurate.  Gorbachev has recently stated there were no guarantees given on NATO expansion.

What about the portion about a large bribe?  I am going to assume that portion is correct.

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2014, 01:59:17 PM »

The above, from the article, is inaccurate.  Gorbachev has recently stated there were no guarantees given on NATO expansion.


What do you expect from the Walter Duranty School of Journalism?
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2014, 02:02:27 PM »
What about the portion about a large bribe?  I am going to assume that portion is correct.


So, any answer given to you that sounds good, you will accept?


Too lazy?


Here, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kremlin+given+assurances+that+nato+would+not+expand
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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2014, 02:20:54 PM »

So, any answer given to you that sounds good, you will accept?


Too lazy?


Here, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kremlin+given+assurances+that+nato+would+not+expand


LMAO!   :clapping:  But what about the bribe?  That was my question and I still can't find the answer to it.  However it's Russia so we know damn well there was a bribe.  End of story.

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Re: Putin will break NATO
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2014, 02:23:37 PM »
How has NATO threatened Russia in the past? I'm missing something. Also, is Kaliningrad, under some threat because it is surrounded? The West had been moving in the direction of doing joint military exercises with Russia, and yet Paranoia has grown n Russia, especially in the mind of Putin.
Anders Rasmussen in 2009:

 'I do not believe that the enlargement of NATO and the European Union has created any security problems for Russia. On the contrary: A more stable and prosperous Europe is indeed contributing to the security of Russia. We also need to be realistic in recognising that NATO will continue its open door policy — not because of any intention to "encircle" or marginalise Russia, but because respect for territorial integrity and the right of each sovereign state to freely decide its security policy and alignments are fundamental if Europe is to be truly "whole and free".'

The problem with that approach is the fact that Russia has evolved into a dictatorship that does not respect its citizens, or citizens that disagree with its leadership.

wiki: In March 2000 president Vladimir Putin, in interview to British television said Russia could once join NATO. In contradiction: The Russian envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, is quoted as saying "Great powers don't join coalitions, they create coalitions. Russia considers itself a great power," although he said that Russia did not rule out membership at some point in the future.' -so there you have the dual message. The latter idea is winning out, and so Putin is ruining Russia.

 

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