USA not a popular destination among RW, why?

[ML]

Loud indeed.. hardly a thing as a quiet dinner out here

Pretty weird . . . a person living among Italians thinking that Americans are loud !!!!

[ML]

placing social importance on material possessions club memberships and status.  Weighed on showing and comparing one's own independence.. here's my job, my car, my house when meeting folks. 

You have this 'bass -ackwards.'

Ochka is continually amazed how she cannot tell who has the big money here in USA.  They never talk about their money, their possessions, or even look like money.

In contrast, she is disgusted how FSU  folks immediately take on a superior attitude when they achieve just a 'little bit' more than others.

[BC]

Pretty weird . . . a person living among Italians thinking that Americans are loud !!!!

emphasis on 'here'.....  as in Italy

[BC]

You have this 'bass -ackwards.'

Ochka is continually amazed how she cannot tell who has the big money here in USA.  They never talk about their money, their possessions, or even look like money.

In contrast, she is disgusted how FSU  folks immediately take on a superior attitude when they achieve just a 'little bit' more than others.

as I said.. my comments were very general. 

It can be subtle and as with any post of mine YMMV

[alex330]

You have this 'bass -ackwards.'

Ochka is continually amazed how she cannot tell who has the big money here in USA.  They never talk about their money, their possessions, or even look like money.

In contrast, she is disgusted how FSU  folks immediately take on a superior attitude when they achieve just a 'little bit' more than others.

Agreed. The Russians and Latin Americans here with more than above average money are as arrogant and flashy as they come. The millionaires I know that are American walk around in flip flops and board shorts. You would never know until they invite you over and you see what is docked in the canal behind their home.

[2tallbill]

Europeans in general don't have the superior,centre of the world, attitude that people from the USA tend to have.

Living among that mindset wouldn't tend to appeal to many Russian women i'd suggest.

Americans sometimes rub people the wrong way and at other times we are found
to be quite charming. We all have our various merits and demerits, we are what
we are.

All people have warts (demerits) and dimples (merits). Many people spend all their
time at wart removal. Instead, I say polish those dimples.

[2tallbill]

I have my own thoughts on this but would like to get an opinion from FSU women.

For the past few years I have been noticing the lack of interest in RW when contacted by an American. It takes quite a bit of work to find and develop something with a RW for an American man. In contrast it is much easier to get RW's attention if you are a man living in a European country.

You've already got your one FSUW opinion. You might get one more if you are lucky.

Europe is closer to home, to Mamma, to friends and they go to bed at the same time.
In Russia they live in little apartments, they take public transportation, they smoke
cigarettes and many European cities are the same and the culture is more similar.
The closest thing to public transportation for me outside my trips to Europe is the
shuttle ride from the parking lot to the airport.

I think if you had a few more Aussies and Kiwi's as customers you would get the same
reaction trying to find girls for them. We are an ocean away, several time zones. I think
that if you searched Vladivostok for example you would find less girls enamored with
Europe.

If you had problems with Western Russia specifically, you could tell by searching Eastern
Russia, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine and the Stans to get a better idea.

That's my opinion for what it's worth. 

Bill

[ML]

If you had problems with Western Russia specifically, you could tell by searching Eastern
Russia, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine and the Stans to get a better idea.
Bill

Big Bill . . . didn't you get your Western and Eastern mixed up here ?

[2tallbill]

Big Bill . . . didn't you get your Western and Eastern mixed up here ?

I consider Vladivostok as Far East and Moscow/St Pete as West, is that mixed up?
 

[whynotme]

Bill, distance isn't a reason. Flight from Vladivostok to any place in USA will be more expensive,  no idea why. People can travel more and make their conclusions, the USA is not the paradise, just a country with their own problems. Зачем менять шило на мыло?

[ML]

I consider Vladivostok as Far East and Moscow/St Pete as West, is that mixed up?

Big Bill here is what you wrote:  "searching Eastern
Russia, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine and the Stans to get a better idea."

Doesn't something look a little out of place there ?

[Boethius]

It was an improper use of commas.  I believe what he meant was Eastern Russia in addition to the other locations.

[Anotherkiwi]

Bill, distance isn't a reason. Flight from Vladivostok to any place in USA will be more expensive,  no idea why. People can travel more and make their conclusions, the USA is not the paradise, just a country with their own problems.

Next Saturday (24th), one way to Los Angeles:

from Vladivostok, $537 US
from Moscow, $524 US

Next Saturday, one way to New York:

from Vladivostok, $602 US
from Moscow, $325 US

One way from Auckland:

to Vladivostok, $622 US
to Moscow, $699 US

Note that these are the cheapest, not necessarily the quickest or easiest.

[2tallbill]

Big Bill here is what you wrote:  "searching Eastern
Russia, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine and the Stans to get a better idea."

Doesn't something look a little out of place there ?

I suggested that the distance to the US is a contributing factor to why Russian girls
might favor Europe. I think that they look at far away places like Canada, Australia
and New Zealand in a similar way. Some places are more remote or more difficult
to travel to even if you live in Europe. I would think that those more remote places
and less traveled to places would be more receptive to US men however I have no
way to test that theory. I'm not going to contact women from those areas to see if
my theory is correct (it might get me keeeeled) so I suggested that Ed try it. 

Udachi!


Bill

[Boethius]

Next Saturday (24th), one way to Los Angeles:

from Vladivostok, $537 US
from Moscow, $524 US

Next Saturday, one way to New York:

from Vladivostok, $602 US
from Moscow, $325 US

One way from Auckland:

to Vladivostok, $622 US
to Moscow, $699 US

Note that these are the cheapest, not necessarily the quickest or easiest.

You need to compare prices on the same date, round trip, to Vladivostok from various European cities.  That was her point.

[whynotme]

Next Saturday (24th), one way to Los Angeles:

from Vladivostok, $537 US
from Moscow, $524 US

Next Saturday, one way to New York:

from Vladivostok, $602 US
from Moscow, $325 US

One way from Auckland:

to Vladivostok, $622 US
to Moscow, $699 US

Note that these are the cheapest, not necessarily the quickest or easiest.

Just back from trip. Tickets Seattle-Frankfurt-Moscow were about 1100$ round trip. Moscow-Vladivostok-Moscow -300. Bought it in the end of May. If I decided to buy tickets Moscow-Vlad-Moscow later, it will be 2000$ or so. Last summer my tickets Seattle-Seoul-Vladivostok and back had cost about 1800$. Same destination - Seattle-NY-Moscow-Vlad were about 1600$ but it would take me about 48 hours to travel. Well, it's impossible to dispute with local theorists  , of course they know everything better using google.

[BillyB]

Just back from trip. Tickets Seattle-Frankfurt-Moscow were about 1100$ round trip. Moscow-Vladivostok-Moscow -300. Bought it in the end of May. If I decided to buy tickets Moscow-Vlad-Moscow later, it will be 2000$ or so. Last summer my tickets Seattle-Seoul-Vladivostok and back had cost about 1800$. Same destination - Seattle-NY-Moscow-Vlad were about 1600$ but it would take me about 48 hours to travel. Well, it's impossible to dispute with local theorists  , of course they know everything better using google.

When I went to Novosibirsk from Seattle, it was cheaper to take the longer path through Moscow. I think Russia wants to make everybody go through Moscow.

[Larry1]

When I went to Novosibirsk from Seattle, it was cheaper to take the longer path through Moscow. I think Russia wants to make everybody go through Moscow.

When I bought tickets to Khabarovsk and Blagoveschensk in Russia's Far East I found the same thing. Tickets for a flight going westward from here were incredibly expensive. And even then I paid $4,000 going through Moscow.

[Anotherkiwi]

You need to compare prices on the same date, round trip, to Vladivostok from various European cities.  That was her point.

No - that's not what she wrote, which was as I quoted earlier.  My post simply agrees with her - Vladivostok is VERY expensive and time-consuming to get to or from the eastern USA when compared with the western USA (or Australasia).  There is absolutely no reason for anyone from my part of the world to even consider going to Moscow if far eastern Russia is the ultimate destination.

The fare from anywhere in Europe to Moscow is peanuts compared with what it costs from there to Vladivostok.

Just back from trip. Tickets Seattle-Frankfurt-Moscow were about 1100$ round trip. Moscow-Vladivostok-Moscow -300. Bought it in the end of May. If I decided to buy tickets Moscow-Vlad-Moscow later, it will be 2000$ or so. Last summer my tickets Seattle-Seoul-Vladivostok and back had cost about 1800$. Same destination - Seattle-NY-Moscow-Vlad were about 1600$ but it would take me about 48 hours to travel. Well, it's impossible to dispute with local theorists  , of course they know everything better using google.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not disputing what it cost you.  Just for comparison, however, the lowest return fare from Seattle to Vladivostok (starting next Saturday and staying away for a month) that I found is $1,075 US.  Each of those flights has only one stop - Beijing on the way over, and Seoul on the way back.

[Eduard]

With respect to what situations?

Can you give examples of USA mentality different from European's . . . except for their romance with socialism ?

LOL, where have you been, bud? If the DNC didn't rig the election against Socialist Bernie, he'd possibly be our next president. That's one area we are not that different from the Europeans...

[Eduard]

With respect to what situations?

Can you give examples of USA mentality different from European's . . . except for their romance with socialism ?

it's hard to explain... it's how these different groups perceive things, the world view, cultural differences, how your nervous system responds differently to stimulation.

[Eduard]

Actually Europeans and Russians believe exactly that they, in fact, are superior to all others and especially those in USA.

Citizens in USA give no thought at all to being superior to others.

In reality, of course, we are the superior country to all others, and those in other countries fully know this . . . and it gives them great pain because no one likes to admit to themselves that they are third rate people living in second rate countries.

Those in lower levels are always jealous of those at the top.  Those at the top do not have time to think about those on lower levels, and only just keep sending money to keep the wretched at bay.

Hahaha! Am I the only one who sees a contradiction in this post?!?! 

[Eduard]

So, this is the famous Eduard...

I personally laugh at the anti-american sentiments. I do prefer we butt out as much as possible. I prefer to look at life within the country. Are the russian citizen truly satisfied with their lives? Don't worry about us. We are not a threat. They should worry about what their government is doing that directly affects their lives.

Recently I watched a BBC Documentary series on Putin and the West on Youtube. He comes across as a decisive leader. But he is just a thug who couldn't care less about law and fairness in his own country. It was fascinating to watch what he has been doing to consolidate power. And they keep electing him despite their lives not getting any better.

Didn't know I was "famous" ???
Russians are used to living under oppressive regimes, so it's nothing new to them. In fact Putin is loved and respected by the majority of Russians in spite of his heavy handed approach to political opposition. The fact that he asserts his power by offing a few people here and there, who dare to oppose him, makes him a "strong leader" in the eyes of many in that culture. And, unlike our president, he is a patriot who loves his country.


In any case, the US can't claim any kind of moral superiority to Russia any longer. Sad but true... Under the currant administration we are no longer a "country of law". The Justice Department, IRS and even the FBI became corrupt and a political arm of the administration. A guy who was suspected in releasing those 20,000 DNC emails shot and killed in the back, no money or valuables taken... haven't you heard of what happened to Seth Conrad Rich ?
[size=78%]The person who by all standards should be in prison, now is probably going to be our next president. Seeing what's been happening in this country makes Putin look not so bad after all...[/size] [/size][size=78%] [/size]

[Eduard]

You have this 'bass -ackwards.'

Ochka is continually amazed how she cannot tell who has the big money here in USA.  They never talk about their money, their possessions, or even look like money.

In contrast, she is disgusted how FSU  folks immediately take on a superior attitude when they achieve just a 'little bit' more than others.

this is true

[Eduard]

as I said.. my comments were very general. 

It can be subtle and as with any post of mine YMMV

I think this is one of those things that would qualify as a perception and not necessarily a reality.