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RWD Discussion Groups => Introductions and Ice-Breaker => Topic started by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 12:58:56 AM

Title: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 12:58:56 AM
 

Hello everyone😊 I'm a newbie here, it's interesting to read what men from other countries think about Russian women. I will tell you about my experience on Dating sites. I came to Saty in April 2019. A lot of men, but...they are mostly writers. It is easy to communicate with someone, and after a couple of messages, the conversation stops. For myself, I concluded that most men are not ready for real meetings. Yes, we communicate well, but as soon as we talk about a possible meeting, men start having problems. I do not understand one thing - why waste time on communication on the Internet, if you are not ready for a real meeting. In any case, I still hope that I will meet a man with whom we will be happy.😊😊😊 All good and love!😘
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 01:38:13 AM
Welcome, Julia !

We refer to these guys as 'Keyboard romeos' .. ;)

There are no  statistics, officially - but it is often said that only 1 in 20 guys that write are prepared to get on a plane (

Then there's the "I need a visa" to come to Russia, 'excuse' ..  British, American and Canadian guys will be excluded from a new type of visa being introduced next year - making that 'excuse' invalid


Hope you'll learn something positive from your visits here ))








Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 01:40:16 AM
So, my experience on Dating sites. 90%of men who wrote to me in WatsApp asked me to send them intimate photos. What for? In today's world, such photos are easy to find on the Internet. These same men offered virtual sex. When the conversation about sex is in the first messages-it is clear that these men are only looking for virtual adventures. The other part of the men - it's just the writers. Obviously they are bored, and they just spend time chatting, but not planning meetings. Dear men, I have a question for you. 😊Where can I find you, real, ready for real meetings, and looking for real love?😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 01:49:54 AM
Welcome, Julia !

We refer to these guys as 'Keyboard romeos' .. ;)

There are no  statistics, officially - but it is often said that only 1 in 20 guys that write are prepared to get on a plane (

Then there's the "I need a visa" to come to Russia, 'excuse' ..  British, American and Canadian guys will be excluded from a new type of visa being introduced next year - making that 'excuse' invalid


Hope you'll learn something positive from your visits here ))

Thanks for the answer!🌹 Yes, I understand that only one in a hundred may come to a woman. But in this case, the question arises - what is the purpose of communication? Men write "looking for a serious relationship" without planning further meetings. Oh, men😊....and they say that women are unpredictable and mysterious!😊😊
 P.S.You are right, I hope that communication on this forum will only be positive, and I will find good friends😊

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 01:56:56 AM
Hi Julia / ' Evelyn'

Not sure that you should write your WhatsApp / viber contact details ..  I would not be giving them out to ANY guy - or moving from the dating site messaging system - until you feel comfortable such a guy isn't just seeking intimate photos ..

I'm an old man with daughters less than half my age ... So I will probably be ignored ;)


I think the guys still dating on here like Fdating / dmnotify.com ( examples - if seeking a Former Soviet Woman )   What dating sites do you like / not like and why ?



Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 02:16:46 AM
Hi Julia / ' Evelyn'

Not sure that you should write your WhatsApp / viber contact details ..  I would not be giving them out to ANY guy - or moving from the dating site messaging system - until you feel comfortable such a guy isn't just seeking intimate photos ..

I'm an old man with daughters less than half my age ... So I will probably be ignored ;)


I think the guys still dating on here like Fdating / dmnotify.com ( examples - if seeking a Former Soviet Woman )   What dating sites do you like / not like and why ?
I don't mind switching to messengers like Viber or WatsApp...if a person sI don't mind switching to messengers like Viber or WatsApp...if a person shows disrespect I can always block it, it's not a problem. My messengers are not linked to other accounts, so I am confident about my security. At the moment, I am actively using the Fdating site. In principle, I like the site. The only site that categorically did not like RussianFlirting. The questionnaire concretely indicated the age of the man from 45 to 60 - 99% of the letters were from 20-year-old boys from India/Pakistan. Also on this site there are men who openly write about their sexual desires - one man in the questionnaire wrote that he was looking for a woman with a daughter. In a personal message, he indicated that he was looking for a girl for sex, he is pedophile. The site administration does not respond to complaints and does not block the profiles of such users.Despite the fact that on the page of this man, several women indicated that he was a pedophile. Therefore, the minus site Russian Flirting.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 02:36:11 AM
Well, I hope your mobile will busy with lots of serious guys

I can tell what mobile network you use and city you live in from the info you placed on here ...   May be  I worry too much ;)

We get a lot of 'lurkers' on here .. people who read but never post..


Why do I have this feeling that when America wakes up your Viber / WhatsApp will be busy ;)


PS What's with 'Evlelyn' - hardly very Russian ?  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 03:03:30 AM
Well, I hope your mobile will busy with lots of serious guys

I can tell what mobile network you use and city you live in from the info you placed on here ...   May be  I worry too much ;)

We get a lot of 'lurkers' on here .. people who read but never post..


Why do I have this feeling that when America wakes up your Viber / WhatsApp will be busy ;)


PS What's with 'Evlelyn' - hardly very Russian ?  :rolleyes:
I am for honesty, and my profile shows the city where I live. That's why I don't hide my number😊. What's wrong with "Evelyn"?😊 That's my real name...Evelyn, Evy.
P.S. My father is Moldovan. So I'm half Russian, half Moldovan)
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 03:19:48 AM
Hi Eve !

Nothing wrong with your name .. just confusing as your nick is Julia !;)

BTW .. it is interesting .. many N.American guys seem prudish ( to me ) as they have rules about topless sunbathing - but SOME of the guys are quite happy to ask for intimate photos !? ;)

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24171.msg527515;topicseen#msg527515




Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 03:32:41 AM
Hi Eve !

Nothing wrong with your name .. just confusing as your nick is Julia !;)


BTW .. it is interesting .. many N.American guys seem prudish ( to me ) as they have rules about topless sunbathing - but SOME of the guys are quite happy to ask for intimate photos !? ;)

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24171.msg527515;topicseen#msg527515
Albajulia is a city in Romania...a beautiful name, nothing more...besides, my middle name is Julia...why not?) Men can be old-fashioned in real life...but it's much easier to communicate online with someone thousands of miles away, isn't it?😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 04:24:24 AM
Well Eve,

I found it MUCH easier to communicate face to face - or at least in video chat ...    Some folk say / do /ask the CRAZIEST things from 1000's of miles away ...

thank you for explaining all ... America's east coast will wake up soon..Good luck ;) 

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 04:28:42 AM
Well Eve,

I found it MUCH easier to communicate face to face - or at least in video chat ...    Some folk say / do /ask the CRAZIEST things from 1000's of miles away ...

thank you for explaining all ... America's east coast will wake up soon..Good luck ;)
Thank you) Good day to you😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Gator on February 23, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
   Alabajulia

 :welcome: :welcome: :welcome: :welcome:

I like your style.  You are direct and not shy. 

I am an old codger who started my search for a RW wife in 1992.  Times were dramatically different then.  Only a minority of women had private access to the Internet.  Much correspondence was funneled through "marriage" agencies for a fee. 

Guess what?  The men then were about the same as you describe today.  Very few ever traveled to meet a woman.  And many men raised the subject of sex early in their correspondence.   On the other side of the coin, a number of women were scam artists, attempting to trick gullible men to wire them money.   

I suggest that you determine early in your communication if a man likes to travel.  For someone without travel experience, a trip to Russia could be too daunting. 

I like travel so I made several trips to Russia and Ukraine without hesitation.  Your RW sisters greeted me warmly and made life fun.  So I am a big fan of Slavic women. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

A funny story about corresponding with Russian women in the early 1990s.  Internet speeds were slow.  One RW I met told me she was downloading on her office computer a photo of a man who wrote her.  It was downloading slowly and would take a couple of minutes, so she left and made some tea.  When she returned, a number of her office workers were standing at her screen, with big smiles.  The photo had almost completed its download, showing a man wearing nothing but his cowboy hat.  One of her friends sung the Joe Cocker song, "You Can Leave Your Hat On."   :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on February 23, 2020, 10:35:59 AM
  A lot of men, but...they are mostly writers. It is easy to communicate with someone, and after a couple of messages, the conversation stops.




Welcome to the forum Evelyn. In the past I've written to over ten thousand women. I can only choose to meet and date a few at a time. The law requires me to marry only one woman at a time so most women I written too probably thinks I'm not serious but it's not true. I'm married for over 8 years to a Ukrainian woman.


Although I stopped communicating with many women after initially writing them, many women stopped communicating with me. It doesn't mean we are not serious. It just means we learned we are not compatible and need to move on to find somebody else.



So, my experience on Dating sites. 90%of men who wrote to me in WatsApp asked me to send them intimate photos. What for? In today's world, such photos are easy to find on the Internet. These same men offered virtual sex. When the conversation about sex is in the first messages-it is clear that these men are only looking for virtual adventures. The other part of the men - it's just the writers.




Some men are scammers that will get a woman's nude photos and threaten to send them to the woman's family and friends unless she sends money. Other men do not respect women and make requests for nude photos and discuss virtual sex. Those men exist on the internet but they also exist in real life. A woman must learn every man she interacts with and choose the man that has the same life goals.



SObviously they are bored, and they just spend time chatting, but not planning meetings. Dear men, I have a question for you. 😊Where can I find you, real, ready for real meetings, and looking for real love?😊




Many of those men will meet with a woman if they think they will have free sex. When you find a man who seems respectable and is looking for marriage with a lady overseas, you should build a friendship with him over the internet. Invite him to talk to you on video chat or the phone. Do more than your competition to get him to like you. There are many beautiful women on the internet but I am going to be interested in the women who show most interest in me. To find your man, consider making profiles at as many sites as time allows. The more exposure you have, the more likely you will find your man.







Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on February 23, 2020, 10:40:01 AM
For myself, I concluded that most men are not ready for real meetings. Yes, we communicate well, but as soon as we talk about a possible meeting, men start having problems. I do not understand one thing - why waste time on communication on the Internet, if you are not ready for a real meeting.

This is a mystery to you because you are looking at it from the FSU female point of view, rather than  from the Western man point of view.

The FSU woman (mostly) just has to stay in her home, incur no expenses, and wait for the man.

The man has to incur expenses, take scarce vacation time, find someone to take care of his dog, spend hours searching for economical transportation prices, go through the hassles of airport arrivals, plane changes,  and stress on the body of traveling long distances across several time zones.

So now can you see why a man can be turned off when the woman pushes for a quick meeting ??
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 10:43:53 AM
Some of our members arithmetic is somewhat interesting

10,000 girls ?

Hmm

1/ How do you keep count

2/ That's 14 / day every day for two years

Yup - some guys aren't serious



Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 10:55:38 AM
Oh, guys, thank you for your response!😊 It is really interesting to know the opposite point of view. There are so many stories on the Internet, men are afraid of women who only need money, women are afraid of men sex tourists. Obviously, only the bravest deserve happiness and love!
To all of the above, I want to add that I have one negative quality - I trust people. But I also have a positive quality - I trust people. So sometimes it's not easy for me...but that's life😊
Title: Hello😊
Post by: 2tallbill on February 23, 2020, 10:58:02 AM
So, my experience on Dating sites. 90%of men who wrote to me in WatsApp asked me to send them intimate photos. What for?



It's because they live in their mothers basement and they haven't seen real
boobies before. To search for gold you have to sift through a lot of dirt, you
don't focus on the dirt you focus on the gold.

The same goes for men. You want an excellent man, so you have to toss
away a bunch of losers first. Don't focus on the losers, focus on the
excellent men.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on February 23, 2020, 11:01:46 AM
everything depends upon how you interpret your experience...
and what you learn from it...

everything in the universe, literally EVERYTHING works according to natural laws
even your online experience is governed by predictable natural laws...

a simple way to express your experience would be this...
a woman is like a magnet that produces a magnetic field
this magnetic field attracts things from the opposite polarity
the strength of the attraction is proportional to the strength of the woman’s magnetic field...

so...
now I’m not necessarily saying this applies to you, BUT....
if a woman’s magnetic field is not strong enough
it’s just NOT going to attract something “valuable” from the opposite polarity...

in this interpretation you can’t blame “the laws of physics” for the experience you had
it would be like blaming gravity when you trip over something and fall down...

never underestimate the value of “luck”
but good luck alone can only take you so far...

if you want to be a “fisher of men”
then you must learn the proper way to cast a net
and not do as you have done

but it’s a hard skill to learn and involves a LOT of work...
this is the barrier to entry to the narrow path with the hidden gate
and is what separates the devotchkie from the zhenshchiny
it’ hard to be a huntress, when you expect your meals to come to you...
the wolves all know where the rabbits live...
they learn how to dine there with great satisfaction
nature has much to teach you
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 11:02:36 AM


It's because they live in their mothers basement and they haven't seen real
boobies before. To mine for gold you have to sift through a lot of dirt, you
don't focus on the dirt you focus on the gold.

The same goes for men. You want an excellent man, so you have to toss
away a bunch of losers first. Don't focus on the losers, focus on the
excellent men.

Udachi!

Bill
Thank you, Bill!😊🌹
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 11:23:57 AM


I have another question for you. Internet trainers teach women- " ask a man a question, why is he looking for a woman abroad, and not in his own country?". I asked the men. Most say " we have too many feminists. Our women have forgotten what it means to be a woman. They are not feminine, do not have family values, etc." Coaches talk about such men - they do not value a woman as a person, they need a slave, which they will manage. These are potential abusers. Of the many men who wrote to me, only three(!!) said they were looking for an equal partner, at eye level. And then I have a dissonance. The whole world speaks of Slavic women as feminine, gentle, and family-loving. And men know that. I still tend to be skeptical of such words of coaches. What do you think?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on February 23, 2020, 11:51:19 AM
The whole world speaks of Slavic women as feminine, gentle, and family-loving.

This is a complete falsehood, if it is meant to say that they are more so than women in other countries.
Title: Hello😊
Post by: 2tallbill on February 23, 2020, 11:57:47 AM

I have another question for you. Internet trainers teach women- " ask a man a question, why is he looking for a woman abroad, and not in his own country?". I asked the men. Most say " we have too many feminists. Our women have forgotten what it means to be a woman. They are not feminine, do not have family values, etc." Coaches talk about such men - they do not value a woman as a person, they need a slave, which they will manage. These are potential abusers. Of the many men who wrote to me, only three(!!) said they were looking for an equal partner, at eye level. And then I have a dissonance. The whole world speaks of Slavic women as feminine, gentle, and family-loving. And men know that. I still tend to be skeptical of such words of coaches. What do you think?

There are millions of very attractive, feminine, educated, interesting and sexy
women in the USA. However, after each year you age you find that the vast
majority of these women are happily married.

There are also regions of the US where unmarried women are either very old
or very young and the prospects for unmarried men are few and far between.
I moved to North Dakota when they were having a boom in the Balken oil fields
and the Williston newspaper did a survey and found that there were 70 men
for every woman in the city of Williston North Dakota. That includes 6 year
old and 80 year old women. There were ZERO unmarried women. A woman
could be 40 kilo's overweight and be missing teeth and she would have a
circle of men around her. (I'm not kidding)

Guess where 2tallbill moved? I moved to Watford City North Dakota during
our great recession, because there was high paying work there. There were
available women in Portland Oregon which was over 24 hours drive away,
and I had family and friends there that I could stay. OR I could fly to Russia
in 14 or so hours.

Russia was Closer!!

In addition, many US women take hormonal birth control pills from an early
age, then later years when they feel down take Zantac, Prozac and a variety
of other brain altering drugs. The most sane and beautiful women are already
taken and that leaves a lot of older unmarried women who intentionally
conducted chemistry experiments in their brains for decades.

Lastly, for whatever reason in Russia and the FSU (former Soviet Union)
men start treating women over a certain age like milk that has passed
the due date. They will happily lay on a woman's couch and get waited
on hand and foot and have sex with her but they don't want to marry
her and spend the rest of their lives together.

So what should an adventurous Western man do? There is a place
where there are a surplus of attractive, educated, slim, sexy and
interesting women who seek marriage and a family.

During the US recession, I wanted a high paying job so I went to
North Dakota where the high paying jobs were. I also wanted a wife
so I went where the surplus of slim, sexy, educated, unmarried women
were that wanted marriage and a family.

Men will have different stories and reasons. I recommend being cautious
of men who degrade the local women too much. The unmarried women
in their area might be scarce or maybe the problem is that the guys isn't
very desirable.

It's up to you to sort out the dirt and the sand from the gold.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 12:07:24 PM
This is a complete falsehood, if it is meant to say that they are more so than women in other countries.
That's what everyone I talked to said, except for three men.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 23, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
Your coaches have a point ..

Slavic women tend to be more sensual, care about their appearances and keep us guys' on our toes'

 
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 12:17:38 PM


Men will have different stories and reasons. I recommend being cautious
of men who degrade the local women too much. The unmarried women
in their area might be scarce or maybe the problem is that the guys isn't
very desirable.

It's up to you to sort out the dirt and the sand from the gold.

Udachi!

Bill

Good advice, thank you!
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: 2tallbill on February 23, 2020, 12:22:20 PM
The whole world speaks of Slavic women as feminine, gentle, and family-loving.
And men know that. I still tend to be skeptical of such words of coaches.

What do you think?

I've known Slavic women who could sing like a choir of Angels, and I've
met Slavic women when they sing, the neighbors dog cries. I've met
Slavic women who know 4 languages and could talk intelligently on
nearly any subject. I once dated a woman who honestly asked me
if we had the moon where I lived. (She would miss it if it wasn't there)

There are Slavic women who are absolute Angels and would never harm
anyone for any reason and I've met Slavic women who would harvest your
organs for a new pair of boots.

There is EVERYTHING and every type in the FSU. I believe that the FSU
culture teaches women to work harder to stay slim and desirable, more
so than the USA for example, but anybody who says that there aren't
good women in the USA is completely and totally wrong.

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on February 23, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
gozpedy ludie

difference between east and west?
there’s NO DIFFERENCE at all in the women...
but there’s a HUGE difference in the “kultura” between east and west
and the beliefs and attitudes that correspond to whatever socio-economic class you
belong to within this culture

since most Russians are poor, and this is what shaped their attitudes and beliefs
many in the west will feel that this will give them leverage over a Russian woman
and who doesn’t want to have leverage over an opposing party
give me a lever big enough and I can move the world
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on February 23, 2020, 01:08:03 PM

I have another question for you. Internet trainers teach women- " ask a man a question, why is he looking for a woman abroad, and not in his own country?". I asked the men. Most say " we have too many feminists. Our women have forgotten what it means to be a woman. They are not feminine, do not have family values, etc." Coaches talk about such men - they do not value a woman as a person, they need a slave, which they will manage. These are potential abusers. Of the many men who wrote to me, only three(!!) said they were looking for an equal partner, at eye level. And then I have a dissonance. The whole world speaks of Slavic women as feminine, gentle, and family-loving. And men know that. I still tend to be skeptical of such words of coaches. What do you think?


The reason I give to women when asked why I'm looking for a Slavic woman is they are the most beautiful in the world. Regardless of the reasons men give you for why they search overseas, you need to determine if they are a winner or loser. Some men who are looking for equal partner and dismiss the man's role and women's role in a relationship my turn you off. You may discover they are not a real MAN.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 23, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Thank you for your honest answers!😘 It is really useful to learn men's opinions from primary sources.  I have many more questions for you, I hope you will help me understand how men think.😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on February 23, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
"I hope you will help me understand how men think."

ok, when it comes to women, men DO NOT think!
their actions and behavior have been programmed by BOG or some other mysterious being
they are not conscious of what they are doing or feeling, they just act on the impulses that they feel
and as I said, if they don't have this impulse towards you, then they are not going to think about it some and then start having it...
this is not the way this works
it's not the way any of this works!

what you need to do is make a "connection" to someone through some shared interest
and the internet is a really GREAT place to do that, BUT...
if the "shared interest" is "dating" then this will go off the rails VERY quickly!!!

so my dear, my question to you is this!
what special interest or ability do you have that might be shared or appreciated by some other poor lost soul out there?
if you can find one, then make a flag out of it, and run it up a flag pole, and look around and see who salutes it...
there's your huckleberry



Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on February 23, 2020, 04:50:08 PM
I have many more questions for you, I hope you will help me understand how men think.😊


Men are so smart we have two heads to help us analyze and decide on a woman. The big head and the small head helps us think.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on February 23, 2020, 10:13:33 PM
I think that especially because you are after all a woman, you behave very emotionally
and not very analytically

some simple observations:
both in Russia and in the West, on average men marry younger women
conversely women marry older men...

the problem with that statistic is this...
if you are in the 40-50 age group, you will probably be dating in the 50-60 age group

so you are in a lower “decile” 1/10 of the population, than they guys you are trying to date
and you know what?
there are fewer available men in that group than there are of women in your age group...

on top of that, a large segment of this population will be widowers
and the largest will be divorced dads making substantial alimony payments...

so what happens to the value of something that is in short supply, a "high status" male for example?
it’s value goes up!

ok...

so think of what you are seeking as a kind of transaction, you are seeking something of value by offering something else of value
how valuable is what you are bartering in exchange for what you want from a man?
you want your needs fulfilled,
but if FOR each according to their need
then FROM each, according to their ability
one way must always be returned by the other

because I am a man, I am an advocate of action and not endless reading of self-help books
or drowning oneself in self-pity

if you want to hunt bears you go to the forest and not the city...
you go to where the prey is plentiful and not wise to the ways of a huntress...

a really smart woman would get a travel visa to either the USA, or Europe and go there and hunt...

I can’t speak for hunting in Europe, but in the USA, I’d come here and pick one of the richest zip codes and go to a church on Sunday and sit as close to the front as possible...
100% you’ll be politely “hit on” and talked to by the older dewds
when the service is over and you walk outside and “mingle”

ps, I only go to one of the Pentacostal churches here with my Russian droog who works at GazProm in Houston, we dress up like hill billys and sit in the back and watch people speak in tongues and hold up sedated rattle snakes
my friend freaked out the first time I showed him this
 
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 12:19:05 AM
I think that especially because you are after all a woman, you behave very emotionally
and not very analytically

some simple observations:
both in Russia and in the West, on average men marry younger women
conversely women marry older men...

the problem with that statistic is this...
if you are in the 40-50 age group, you will probably be dating in the 50-60 age group

so you are in a lower “decile” 1/10 of the population, than they guys you are trying to date
and you know what?
there are fewer available men in that group than there are of women in your age group...

on top of that, a large segment of this population will be widowers
and the largest will be divorced dads making substantial alimony payments...

so what happens to the value of something that is in short supply, a "high status" male for example?
it’s value goes up!

ok...

so think of what you are seeking as a kind of transaction, you are seeking something of value by offering something else of value
how valuable is what you are bartering in exchange for what you want from a man?
you want your needs fulfilled,
but if FOR each according to their need
then FROM each, according to their ability
one way must always be returned by the other

because I am a man, I am an advocate of action and not endless reading of self-help books
or drowning oneself in self-pity

if you want to hunt bears you go to the forest and not the city...
you go to where the prey is plentiful and not wise to the ways of a huntress...

a really smart woman would get a travel visa to either the USA, or Europe and go there and hunt...

I can’t speak for hunting in Europe, but in the USA, I’d come here and pick one of the richest zip codes and go to a church on Sunday and sit as close to the front as possible...
100% you’ll be politely “hit on” and talked to by the older dewds
when the service is over and you walk outside and “mingle”

ps, I only go to one of the Pentacostal churches here with my Russian droog who works at GazProm in Houston, we dress up like hill billys and sit in the back and watch people speak in tongues and hold up sedated rattle snakes
my friend freaked out the first time I showed him this
I adequately assess the situation. I'm 39 years old and I'm not looking for a man my age. First, because I don't want a relationship with a man my age. My partners have always been at least 10 years older than me. men are always looking for women at least 10-15 years younger. For me, the ideal age of a partner is 50 years or older. I'm not one of those ladies who are 50 years old, and they want a man 40-50 years old. I know perfectly well that a 50-year-old man will be looking for a 30-to 40-year-old woman. A 40-year-old man will be looking for a 20-30-year-old girl. I find it funny to listen to a 50-year-old woman who says "Grandpa" about a 55/60-year-old man. Despite the fact that she is almost a grandmother.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 12:26:45 AM
There is an opinion that people when meeting in the first 10 seconds understand whether they "want" this person. I mean, not just sex, but life together. Everything else is secondary. Yes, a woman can chase a man, and even get into his bed - but after a couple of dates, it's over because she didn't hook up with him. The Creator of the Agency Elenas models teaches girls in their training sessions- "fuck and smile". When a man comes you have to have sex with him, give him pleasure in bed.Be cheerful, smile, so that he is comfortable with you. Every time he thinks about sex, he'll remember you. Here is such a simple psychology. Satisfy a man in bed - and if you're lucky, he'll come back.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 12:36:43 AM
About the advice to go to Europe or the States.
For most Russian women, this is impossible. The US does not grant visas to single women. Europe is a little easier, but not always. Two of my friends were refused a visa to Germany And Spain-despite the fact that they had already purchased tours! In order to go to Church on Sundays in the States-you need to at least get to the States. Which at the moment is the same as getting to the Moon. To travel to the States, a woman must have $ 50 in her account for each day of her stay in the country. Plus paying for a hotel, etc. Believe me, 90%of women on a Dating site have an average Russian salary. At the moment, it is about 250 -300$. Therefore, when a man accuses a woman that she refuses to meet in a neutral country, citing the fact that she does not have money for tickets - he is wrong. This is Russian reality. And half the country lives this way.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 24, 2020, 02:00:40 AM
About the advice to go to Europe or the States.
For most Russian women, this is impossible. The US does not grant visas to single women. Europe is a little easier, but not always. Two of my friends were refused a visa to Germany And Spain-despite the fact that they had already purchased tours! In order to go to Church on Sundays in the States-you need to at least get to the States. Which at the moment is the same as getting to the Moon. To travel to the States, a woman must have $ 50 in her account for each day of her stay in the country. Plus paying for a hotel, etc. Believe me, 90%of women on a Dating site have an average Russian salary. At the moment, it is about 250 -300$. Therefore, when a man accuses a woman that she refuses to meet in a neutral country, citing the fact that she does not have money for tickets - he is wrong. This is Russian reality. And half the country lives this way.

Cyprus offers Russian Tourists a visa and whilst they are v,suspicious of single women - if your man assumes responsibility for your trip - verbally - and you have a return ticket and accommodation - you'll be welcome
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 02:56:36 AM
Cyprus offers Russian Tourists a visa and whilst they are v,suspicious of single women - if your man assumes responsibility for your trip - verbally - and you have a return ticket and accommo
dation - you'll be welcome
Good to know, thank you!😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on February 24, 2020, 09:14:07 AM
There is an opinion that people when meeting in the first 10 seconds understand whether they "want" this person. I mean, not just sex, but life together. Everything else is secondary. Yes, a woman can chase a man, and even get into his bed - but after a couple of dates, it's over because she didn't hook up with him. The Creator of the Agency Elenas models teaches girls in their training sessions- "fuck and smile". When a man comes you have to have sex with him, give him pleasure in bed.Be cheerful, smile, so that he is comfortable with you. Every time he thinks about sex, he'll remember you. Here is such a simple psychology. Satisfy a man in bed - and if you're lucky, he'll come back.

Welcome Julia! Good to read a gal's perspective in this endeavor.

This post of your is quite interesting. I didn't read anyone else's post in this thread so I'm not sure if it's already mentioned. There is this 'advice' that is repeatedly given here that 'a man will know if a Russian woman likes him'. The implication is, this 'woman' would, as maybe the way you put it, 'fuck and smile' upon meeting travelling Romeo of the west.

Sex is by far one of the cursory gauge whether there's *chemistry* between two people in this pursuit. It could be that this attitude or expectation is one of the contributing factor of sexual tourism using the MOB (Mail Order Bride - International Dating for Marriage), or why a lot men simply use it to ask for intimate photos.

Largely why, women from the MOB are looked down upon by ex-pats living in the west. When I first started I remember one agency (Makshim) started a program whereas the man, who became interested in a woman/women, is offered an option to pay for money so the agency can then have the gal/s come in and be photograph in either 'sexier poses', in a bikini, etc...the more money received, the lesser the article of clothing - this done by a 'marriage agency' representing Russian women.

Anyway. I'm glad you're here to offer up some of your experiences dealing through this affair.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Gator on February 24, 2020, 10:11:33 AM
There is an opinion that people when meeting in the first 10 seconds understand whether they "want" this person. I mean, not just sex, but life together. Everything else is secondary.

10 seconds is too quick for me.    There were 4-5 women with whom I had spoken with several times, only to have my expectations fizzle before we finished our tort and chai.   Yes, the "chemistry" thing. 

That is why when I  made a trip to meet for the first time, I visited multiple women but not concurrently. 

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....teaches girls in their training sessions- "fuck and smile".   

Sex is important, yet I did not push it.   The "third date" guideline worked for me, although hormones, situation and atmosphere makes it happen sooner sometimes.

The smile part is important for American men.  It should feel natural. 

Women also seemed to be coached to behave as if they are frugal.  That bothered me because I like fine restaurants.  However, the prices in some Moscow restaurants shocked even me.     

 
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Satisfy a man in bed - and if you're lucky, he'll come back.

Two comments:

First, does he satisfy you or at least try?   If not, the sex may not be enough for him as well as you? Sex is important but not a reason for a committed relationship.   

Second, maybe it is best that some men don't come back.   Meaning - they would have returned if the connection were strong.  Otherwise, if the "connection" were not strong,  a return meeting would have wasted your time.     I "came back" for a second meeting with 5-6 women, usually a trip outside Russia.    The time together was good, yet not good enough except for two in particular.             
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 10:20:05 AM
Hi. I gave a quote from the book of the Creator of the Agency Elenas models Elena Petrova. This is not my opinion...although😊... I agree about the chemistry..this is what ultimately determines everything. The same Elena Petrova recommends that girls use more explicit photos, because ALL men react to the female body. I don't know how e men choose girls. I can only say about myself - when I look at a man's profile, I immediately assess it from the point of view of intimacy - can I imagine myself in bed with this man? Can I imagine him touching me and kissing me? If I do not like a man - what kind of relationship can we talk about? So it's not just men who think about sex.😉😊Maybe this is shocking to someone, but I used to be honest-first of all with myself.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 10:29:58 AM
10 seconds is too quick for me.    There were 4-5 women with whom I had spoken with several times, only to have my expectations fizzle before we finished our tort and chai.   Yes, the "chemistry" thing. 



I was referring to an instinctive level.😊

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on February 24, 2020, 10:33:52 AM
Hi. I gave a quote from the book of the Creator of the Agency Elenas models Elena Petrova. This is not my opinion...although😊... I agree about the chemistry..this is what ultimately determines everything. The same Elena Petrova recommends that girls use more explicit photos, because ALL men react to the female body. I don't know how e men choose girls. I can only say about myself - when I look at a man's profile, I immediately assess it from the point of view of intimacy - can I imagine myself in bed with this man? Can I imagine him touching me and kissing me? If I do not like a man - what kind of relationship can we talk about? So it's not just men who think about sex.😉😊Maybe this is shocking to someone, but I used to be honest-first of all with myself.

I fully understand and more importantly, fully agree with you.

I have always made the point here and elsewhere, based on my personal experiences (more than mere  observation), woman are prone to be as much, if not much more 'forward/aggressive', with their sexuality than men are. It depends on their target of interest, of course.

This is reality is really very simple. Many men just get caught up with all the other silly noise and excuses that keeps them from realizing and recognizing what this natural calling is. I can easily recognize women's sexuality state simply by recognizing a lot of her actions in any given situation or surrounding. It's easy to 'engage' it from there on in.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on February 24, 2020, 10:42:50 AM
The Creator of the Agency Elenas models teaches girls in their training sessions- "fuck and smile". When a man comes you have to have sex with him, give him pleasure in bed.Be cheerful, smile, so that he is comfortable with you. Every time he thinks about sex, he'll remember you. Here is such a simple psychology. Satisfy a man in bed - and if you're lucky, he'll come back.

I had experience with a few FSU gals who had been advised of a different strategy.

I remember one early 40s gal.  We had very good attraction for each other when out and about, at restaurants, theatre, etc.  But when I went for the kiss, she would turn her head.  When I hugged her, she would push away somewhat.  Finally, after 3rd date, I gave up and never contacted her again on this WMVM trip.  After a week or so, she sent me email telling how she had been thinking about me taking off her dress and carrying her to the bed.

I replied that she had waited too long, and if she had such thoughts why had she been playing 'hard to get.'

She replied that her 23 year old daughter had told her that was the best way to attract a man.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Gator on February 24, 2020, 10:57:42 AM
The same Elena Petrova recommends that girls use more explicit photos, because ALL men react to the female body.

I avoided women who uploaded revealing photos or sexually suggestive poses.  It smacked of desperation - I am no white knight searching  for damsels in distress.   


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   ...when I look at a man's profile, I immediately assess it from the point of view of intimacy - can I imagine myself in bed with this man? Can I imagine him touching me and kissing me?

Wow!  You are very romantic.  I commend your spirit. 

When examining a photo  I did not consider sex.  Instead I looked for physical (attractive women with a slender body, not a "10"), friendly personality, and "natural." 

Maybe the sexless examination was due to my age, yet when younger I was the same in choosing women  to approach.   All my American girlfriends were attractive, some beautiful, the mother of my sons a '10.'   When first meeting at a singles bar what would become an enduring girl friend, I approached her thinking she was the most intelligent person in the room.   I said it, she was, and we stayed together for over a year.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Gator on February 24, 2020, 11:00:25 AM

She replied that her 23 year old daughter had told her that was the best way to attract a man.

 :ROFL:

Clearly, she would not pass the IQ test. 
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 11:00:41 AM
I had experience with a few FSU gals who had been advised of a different strategy.

I remember one early 40s gal.  We had very good attraction for each other when out and about, at restaurants, theatre, etc.  But when I went for the kiss, she would turn her head.  When I hugged her, she would push away somewhat.  Finally, after 3rd date, I gave up and never contacted her again on this WMVM trip.  After a week or so, she sent me email telling how she had been thinking about me taking off her dress and carrying her to the bed.

I replied that she had waited too long, and if she had such thoughts why had she been playing 'hard to get.'

She replied that her 23 year old daughter had told her that was the best way to attract a man.
Well...Elena Petrova responds to this - it makes sense to refuse sex if you are a virgin. If you are not a virgin and refuse a man sex, he thinks - " why does she refuse me? Why am I worse than her ex-men who she gave sex to? She doesn't want me? A man will not return to a woman with whom he had such thoughts."
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 24, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
I avoided women who uploaded revealing photos or sexually suggestive poses.  It smacked of desperation - I am no white knight searching  for damsels in distress.   


Wow!  You are very romantic.  I commend your spirit. 

When examining a photo  I did not consider sex.  Instead I looked for physical (attractive women with a slender body, not a "10"), friendly personality, and "natural." 

Maybe the sexless examination was due to my age, yet when younger I was the same in choosing women  to approach.   All my American girlfriends were attractive, some beautiful, the mother of my sons a '10.'   When first meeting at a singles bar what would become an enduring girl friend, I approached her thinking she was the most intelligent person in the room.   I said it, she was, and we stayed together for over a year.

I didn't just mean sex appeal. Maybe I expressed my thoughts incorrectly. Of course, I was referring to the attractiveness of a person on several levels, from appearance to-including-sexual attractiveness. Agree, none of us build a relationship with a person who is unpleasant to us and does not like outwardly. If I can't imagine being around a man, I can't imagine him touching me-of course not, I won't meet him
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2020, 11:23:00 AM
Hi. I gave a quote from the book of the Creator of the Agency Elenas models Elena Petrova. This is not my opinion...although😊... I agree about the chemistry..this is what ultimately determines everything. The same Elena Petrova recommends that girls use more explicit photos, because ALL men react to the female body. I don't know how e men choose girls.

Is it Elena's 101 book?

I translated most of it to English. I agree with most of Elena's
recommendations. There are some puritans in the USA who
would disagree with Elena's photos but you are European and
should go with what feels correct for you, rather that what some
Baptist minister in Kansas might say.

I would also recommend logging in from the English side of the site
as if you were a man and then look to see what the most popular
girls wear. 

Some FSU women have no clue what looks good on them or what
photo a man would like. My recommendation is that you get several
opinions on which photos are best.

The part that I agree with her the most is figuring your chances
with Age, how many children, hair length, weight, English abilities,
beauty, etc and then improving your chances where you can. Like
improving English, diet, exercise, growing hair longer etc. 

I know of one Russian woman who I won't name because others
know her, that was incredibly stubborn and would ask men what
shoes, dress, hair, necklace, etc they liked and then she would
ignore everyone and choose something that nobody besides
herself liked.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2020, 11:25:43 AM
She replied that her 23 year old daughter had told her that was the best way to attract a man.

I couldn't imagine getting advice from a 23 year old except
maybe which tech product was best, but relationship advice?
What does a 23 year old know?

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on February 24, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
I couldn't imagine getting advice from a 23 year old except
maybe which tech product was best, but relationship advice?
What does a 23 year old know?

I think her reasoning was that she (the mother) had been out of the dating scene for 20 years or so.

The daughter was an active dater, so it made some sense that the daughter would be up to date on the latest.

The pitfall, I think, was that a 23 year old probably could play hard to get, whereas a 40 year old couldn't.

I remember our own Lily telling here many, many years ago, that . . . a woman in Russia who didn't know how to flirt with men would not have any success with men.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on February 24, 2020, 12:39:44 PM
have you heard of the expression, “the map is not the territory”?
if all you have is a map, then you really have no facts, just assumptions...
no facts, means no real knowledge...
I mean the Germans had well drawn maps of Russland when they invaded...
how did that work out for them when they actually got there and had a look around?
what did they think of their map after this?
what do you think of yours?

what I’m trying to explain to you, is WHY you are having such a difficult time climbing the mountain
why your climb seems “rough and steep”
which apparently is not what you expected...
I’m giving you the “why”

horrosho?
so first, as I pointed out to you, since you are dating a full decile older than you
and that this group has a much smaller number of male members than the females in your lower decile... that this contributes to a supply/demand imbalance that DOES NOT WORK in your favor...

secondly, from that shrinking supply of potential partners, you will have guys who are very poor,  and who in the near future will be living on a meager pension...
they will not want to assume the financial liability of the costs associated with having a relationship with you, so subtract this group....
you should also include the divorced dads who pay huge alimony payments
and don’t have a whole lot of money left over at the end of the month...

by the time you scratch all this off, you know what you’re left with
a bunch of pridorki and durrichki...

and why is that?
because the high status males in this age group have it easier now than at any other time in their lives... the last place they need to go is tinder or something like that
because the women will “find them”, they don’t need to bother looking...

so besides the pridorki, you only have low status males with lower incomes
or males who live out in the middle of some gopnick village of 100 people who are all relatives

also, be aware, every predator that goes after a prey, will have competition from other predators
in your case local women...
because of the demographic imbalance in the decile above you...
there is a huge surplus of women in that decile...
and these women will have NONE of the costs that a Russian woman will have...
and they can be every bit as pretty as you are...
with no travel costs, no visa processing costs, no language or cultural issues...
and they will have their own income on day one...
and live 7 km away and not 7,000 km
so I hope I have made clear to you the natural forces that are at play here
why things are the way they are...

and another related but entirely subjective point, is about the “signal” you are putting out to men
if the signal is not strong enough then it just gets lost in the noise
no one will hear it so no one will answer

yes, I know it is difficult to come to America
yes, but so what?
I have done 100 impossible things in Russia
because deeds and not words matter
it’s what YOU DO and not what YOU TYPE on a keyboard that matters
and that’s why I went to the forest to hunt the foxes and not to the internet
sure it’s hard, so...?
for every problem, there is a solution, if you look for it...
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on February 24, 2020, 04:19:57 PM
The same Elena Petrova recommends that girls use more explicit photos, because ALL men react to the female body.


Scammers and gold diggers get a lot of attention from men. They supply me with sexy photos.

I can only say about myself - when I look at a man's profile, I immediately assess it from the point of view of intimacy - can I imagine myself in bed with this man? Can I imagine him touching me and kissing me? If I do not like a man - what kind of relationship can we talk about? So it's not just men who think about sex.😉😊Maybe this is shocking to someone, but I used to be honest-first of all with myself.


To have a relationship with someone, there also must be physical attraction. If we are not physically attracted to the other person, all we can become are friends.

Some advice I give to men is to improve their hygiene. Dress nice for the ladies. Shave top and bottom. Get a haircut. Make a woman proud to walk down the street with you. We can't control the way we are born but there are some ways we can make ourselves look more appealing.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: rwd123 on February 24, 2020, 09:06:13 PM
There is an opinion that people when meeting in the first 10 seconds understand whether they "want" this person. I mean, not just sex, but life together. Everything else is secondary. Yes, a woman can chase a man, and even get into his bed - but after a couple of dates, it's over because she didn't hook up with him. The Creator of the Agency Elenas models teaches girls in their training sessions- "fuck and smile". When a man comes you have to have sex with him, give him pleasure in bed.Be cheerful, smile, so that he is comfortable with you. Every time he thinks about sex, he'll remember you. Here is such a simple psychology. Satisfy a man in bed - and if you're lucky, he'll come back.
It is interesting advice, and not consistent with my experience. I dated a woman via Elena's Models and didn't even get a smile! I don't think she read the book.

I would agree it is ten seconds and you know if there is physical attraction, but I think five minutes before I know if I want a (first or) second date. I have met physically attractive women who I would not want a relationship with even if I was paid to do so.

Sex is an extension of both intimacy and playfulness. Different people will have different attitudes. At my age if I'm not in bed by the third date then it's usually a good sign to move on (different for a 20yo). I like playful women.  :P



Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 27, 2020, 06:45:07 PM

I have another question for you. Internet trainers teach women- " ask a man a question, why is he looking for a woman abroad, and not in his own country?". I asked the men. Most say " we have too many feminists. Our women have forgotten what it means to be a woman. They are not feminine, do not have family values, etc." Coaches talk about such men - they do not value a woman as a person, they need a slave, which they will manage. These are potential abusers. Of the many men who wrote to me, only three(!!) said they were looking for an equal partner, at eye level. And then I have a dissonance. The whole world speaks of Slavic women as feminine, gentle, and family-loving. And men know that. I still tend to be skeptical of such words of coaches. What do you think?

 :welcome: Eve,

I think out of the western men that give you the answer, 'because of feminists, women putting career first, lack of decent women, because women are over weight' only a few of these may turn out to be abusers or overly dominant, maybe 10 percent or so at a guess. So I think your coaches are wrong to apply it in a blanket fashion as if it applies to all men that respond like this.

When the question is reversed men get such answers from the women that there are 'no good men where they live, they are either alcoholics, drug addicts, live in poverty so can't support a family or perhaps themselves, have mental health problems, etc, etc'.

Both answers have a large element of truth they are doubtless too as otherwise they wouldn't be trotted out so often by either side.

It can be a bit of an embarrassing question to have to face as few want to go into the ins and outs of why they are single. In a fair number of cases it might well be down to societal reasons and in others there might be areas where that person may need to improve if possible. Even then many people that have issues can have good relationships and are probably more likely to in areas where the pool of availablity of the opposite sex is higher.

Eve, I think that the idea of you going to the west is a good idea better than western men coming to you. I have found that it can take anything from a few seconds to probably under a minute for it to become obvious to both sides whether there is anything there. If you are meeting a man one every few months, once a year, once every two years, etc then your chances are not at all good. I think the US, Canada, Australia are too difficult for you and many Russian ladies to get to by themselves. I think you need to make the move yourself as it's too difficult to get a guy there to help you across.

I think your best chance is to look at Europe, probably either the Baltic States or the possibly looking at Moldova (since one of your parents are Moldovan) and what they might be able to do that way such as a work visa to the EU. Moby's idea of Cyprus is a good one, if you go to Southern Cyprus, there you will come across other Russian speakers plus written Russian here & there, the orthodox church so familiar stuff. Yet at the same time there will be quite a lot of English guys, Greek guys, etc. So it might be worth a try at getting in but I would forget about trying to find a native to invite you, it will likely be too much hassle and push you back to the dating sites. Remember though that Cyprus gets ridiculously hot in the summer.

Essentially, if you were in Europe, the EU then you would come across loads of guys daily, your chances of getting a guy go way up. Compared to International Dating sites your chances go through the roof. You get to potentially come across many men each day and crucially you get to see there and then if there is any chemistry/attraction there and then, no messing about. You can mess about on dating sites a long time but being in the west in person will likely accomplish the task a lot sooner.

I think one of the main things is the cultural stuff. Western society is different culturally from Russia and western culture is different between countries and even within countries in the west. The US, Australia and the UK are all different culturally from each other, some similarities exist but mostly they are different. Western culture is often something I find Russian women don't really have much of an idea over. In the UK for example we have better social security benefits than the US, but our taxes can be higher and our salary usually less than a lot of US guys. However, we don't pay School Fees if sending our children to state schools which many do, we have low dentistry costs, decent enough state pensions to retire on, fee free fairly decent state hospital's, etc, etc. Yet we also have a shortage of housing problem and rising homelessness. People in general are ending up with smaller rooms & houses than they did back in the 80s & 90s. We have a fairly decent unemployment & housing benefit state support system but this does not always make it possible for everyone to be in housing. So all of that will have an effect in shaping people, their mentality and values, it is all to some extent social engineering. Then there is the cultural change over time, in the 70s in western society there were hippies, free love and the rise of feminism (bra burning etc), then in the 80s there was a focus on money, excessive greed (of some) corporate culture and women starting to compete against men in the workplace. Fast forward to the present day and feminism as well as the Trans-sexual, gay and lesbian lobby have immense power, environmentalists also. They will try to steam roll and dominate any issue that becomes of interest to them. There are social problems in society as a result of this, some people are 'gender confused' in the workplace men and women competing for too few top jobs are creating dysfunctionality in society - men can't support the women how they would like but at the same time women want to be able to support themselves :-\ suffice to say that the result is often that neither gender is satisfied.

If you are looking for a western man the UK does of course does come with the advantage of being a lot closer to Russia, this makes it quicker and cheaper to travel, a few hundred pounds and a four hour flight. The US the guy would be on about a 15 hour flight and likely pay way over a thousand pounds/dollars. So a guy from the US will likely have to be fairly wealthy and with a bit of holiday time on there hands. They are hence going to have to be pretty motivated to go visit someone in Russia, the whole lot including hotel, airport parking, airport travel either end, food, expenses during the holiday could easily be on excess of two thousand for a week away, three thousand for two weeks. If a Russian lady just expects him to pick himself up on her whim and come then few will probably do so. That said bear in mind also that some will just prefer another woman as women find they prefer other men. Some of it may just be down to generic factors, if for example a guy started messaging a girl a month ago then that girl is already has a month head start if you had just started messaging the guy. Odds are on balance if there wasn't much in it to sway him away he would end up concentrating on her and blow you off after a couple of weeks or so and go visit her.

So there can be a lot of factors and not a straight forward game for either us guys or you girls. The really serious guys want to seriously meet real serious girls but only the ones they end up having interest in and vice versa.

Elena Petrova hands out some interesting advice and I think generally good advice. For men a woman shows she is interested in him. Whether that is for love reasons is another matter but to not fuck a guy after some aquaintance would mean to the guy she is not interested, or should at least. In the west feminism has produced a prudishness that men shouldn't show too much interest to the woman in sex, but of course we are and this is a matter which again causes social problems in the west. I think Elena Petrova interest is in getting men and women together, there is some what the Russian belief of a man and woman coming to love each other if they are at least mutually acceptable to each other I think here. That's not a bad thing I think, companionship and a mutual relationship of support can be worthy than just endlessly looking for instant love on the outset relationship that may never come. I too though would need to ask myself if I could find myself waking up next to this person and being around them, not in a sex way but in an everyday sense, that I think is a reasonable expectation to hold.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 27, 2020, 10:28:42 PM
Trench

Elena Petrova's advice in likely 15 years old and I'm not even sure she owns 'Elenas' Models now..


There might be CYPRIOTS on the island of Cyprus ( very few Greeks ) and there is no such nation as 'South' Cyprus

Does Eve realise that you are one of the sites misogynists and clueless about women in general ?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 29, 2020, 09:19:53 AM
Trench

Elena Petrova's advice in likely 15 years old and I'm not even sure she owns 'Elenas' Models now..


There might be CYPRIOTS on the island of Cyprus ( very few Greeks ) and there is no such nation as 'South' Cyprus

Does Eve realise that you are one of the sites misogynists and clueless about women in general ?

Perhaps we should leave it to Eve to tell us from what she has heard her what she intends to do? In moving her search forward?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on February 29, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
said the chap who wrote a nonsense  'dissertation' ..  Sure ... fine by me
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 29, 2020, 11:40:18 PM
Is it Elena's 101 book?

I translated most of it to English. I agree with most of Elena's
recommendations. There are some puritans in the USA who
would disagree with Elena's photos but you are European and
should go with what feels correct for you, rather that what some
Baptist minister in Kansas might say.

I would also recommend logging in from the English side of the site
as if you were a man and then look to see what the most popular
girls wear. 

Some FSU women have no clue what looks good on them or what
photo a man would like. My recommendation is that you get several
opinions on which photos are best.

The part that I agree with her the most is figuring your chances
with Age, how many children, hair length, weight, English abilities,
beauty, etc and then improving your chances where you can. Like
improving English, diet, exercise, growing hair longer etc. 

I know of one Russian woman who I won't name because others
know her, that was incredibly stubborn and would ask men what
shoes, dress, hair, necklace, etc they liked and then she would
ignore everyone and choose something that nobody besides
herself liked.

Udachi!

Bill
This is the book "Magic wand for Cinderella" Some men claim that they do not like provocative sexual photos, but practice shows the opposite - it is girls with sexy photos that are most popular on websites.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 29, 2020, 11:45:33 PM
have you heard of the expression, “the map is not the territory”?
if all you have is a map, then you really have no facts, just assumptions...
no facts, means no real knowledge...
I mean the Germans had well drawn maps of Russland when they invaded...
how did that work out for them when they actually got there and had a look around?
what did they think of their map after this?
what do you think of yours?

what I’m trying to explain to you, is WHY you are having such a difficult time climbing the mountain
why your climb seems “rough and steep”
which apparently is not what you expected...
I’m giving you the “why”

horrosho?
so first, as I pointed out to you, since you are dating a full decile older than you
and that this group has a much smaller number of male members than the females in your lower decile... that this contributes to a supply/demand imbalance that DOES NOT WORK in your favor...

secondly, from that shrinking supply of potential partners, you will have guys who are very poor,  and who in the near future will be living on a meager pension...
they will not want to assume the financial liability of the costs associated with having a relationship with you, so subtract this group....
you should also include the divorced dads who pay huge alimony payments
and don’t have a whole lot of money left over at the end of the month...

by the time you scratch all this off, you know what you’re left with
a bunch of pridorki and durrichki...

and why is that?
because the high status males in this age group have it easier now than at any other time in their lives... the last place they need to go is tinder or something like that
because the women will “find them”, they don’t need to bother looking...

so besides the pridorki, you only have low status males with lower incomes
or males who live out in the middle of some gopnick village of 100 people who are all relatives

also, be aware, every predator that goes after a prey, will have competition from other predators
in your case local women...
because of the demographic imbalance in the decile above you...
there is a huge surplus of women in that decile...
and these women will have NONE of the costs that a Russian woman will have...
and they can be every bit as pretty as you are...
with no travel costs, no visa processing costs, no language or cultural issues...
and they will have their own income on day one...
and live 7 km away and not 7,000 km
so I hope I have made clear to you the natural forces that are at play here
why things are the way they are...

and another related but entirely subjective point, is about the “signal” you are putting out to men
if the signal is not strong enough then it just gets lost in the noise
no one will hear it so no one will answer

yes, I know it is difficult to come to America
yes, but so what?
I have done 100 impossible things in Russia
because deeds and not words matter
it’s what YOU DO and not what YOU TYPE on a keyboard that matters
and that’s why I went to the forest to hunt the foxes and not to the internet
sure it’s hard, so...?
for every problem, there is a solution, if you look for it...
Thank you😘, I take all this into account .
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on February 29, 2020, 11:51:17 PM
It is interesting advice, and not consistent with my experience. I dated a woman via Elena's Models and didn't even get a smile! I don't think she read the book.

I would agree it is ten seconds and you know if there is physical attraction, but I think five minutes before I know if I want a (first or) second date. I have met physically attractive women who I would not want a relationship with even if I was paid to do so.

Sex is an extension of both intimacy and playfulness. Different people will have different attitudes. At my age if I'm not in bed by the third date then it's usually a good sign to move on (different for a 20yo). I like playful women.  :P
In Russia, flirting is part of life. Girls are happy to flirt with men who are nice to them.,men are happy to accept attentions from girls. For example, I can't imagine my life without flirting. This is nice for both me and the man to whom my attention is directed - so why not?😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 01, 2020, 12:14:40 AM
Perhaps we should leave it to Eve to tell us from what she has heard her what she intends to do? In moving her search forward?
Boys, don't fight.😘😘😘 Each of us has its own point of view and it is correct for each of us.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on March 01, 2020, 10:19:56 AM
Some men claim that they do not like provocative sexual photos, but practice shows the opposite - it is girls with sexy photos that are most popular on websites.


That is true. But if a woman attracts men with her body, it will be harder to find a man who is interested in her brain. If 30 men write you, you will have a difficult job to learn which man will respect more than just your body.

Some of the family oriented women I wrote didn't use sexy photos in their profile but later they sent me sexier photos of them at the beach in a bikini after getting to know me.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on March 01, 2020, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: albajulia on Today at 01:40:18 AM
Some men claim that they do not like provocative sexual photos, but practice shows the opposite - it is girls with sexy photos that are most popular on websites.


That is true. But if a woman attracts men with her body, it will be harder to find a man who is interested in her brain. If 30 men write you, you will have a difficult job to learn which man will respect more than just your body.

Some of the family oriented women I wrote didn't use sexy photos in their profile but later they sent me sexier photos of them at the beach in a bikini after getting to know me.

- - - - - -

As Billy said, I don't doubt that 'most' men do contact the women with most sexy photos.

But, as Big Bill (I think it was him) said, the man who is really serious about finding a wife will mostly avoid contacting women with the most sexy photos.

So there is a dichotomy.

Myself, I knew that I would not have a long term relationship with a woman who posted extremely sexy photos on dating websites.

However, since I wanted some sex on my WMVM trips, I would include a few whom I was fairly certain would be 'sure things.'

Often times however, these 'sure things' were based more on the emails we exchanged rather than initial photos posted.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 01, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
In Russia, flirting is part of life. Girls are happy to flirt with men who are nice to them.,men are happy to accept attentions from girls. For example, I can't imagine my life without flirting. This is nice for both me and the man to whom my attention is directed - so why not?😊

Sounds like paradise :D I wish I lived there, lol.

In the west men have to be careful with flirting, if it is not well received then the more feminist minded women will claim harassment etc and the man will likely be in for an ordeal, this could be anything from losing his job to court cases, etc. It started out decades ago from a few men that would go overboard and keep hounding a women who made it clear their advances were unwanted, fair enough. Problem was in trying to tackle these men through laws and social influence they ruined it for the vast majority who enjoyed it. A case of trying to cut out the bad but in doing so only ending out cutting out the good. The bad men that went overboard and could never take a no for a no still do the same as they just don't care about laws or any of that stuff anyway.

With photos I would say go a little on the sexy side without going overboard, do what I would call classy sexy. That is avoid overly provocative poses and wearing very revealing clothing. Also be careful about using a professional photographer, a professional photo that is also very raunchy looking will likely either be seen as a scammer or attract guys just after sex.

I would say short dresses and skirts that are figure fitting are the way to go. Something a bit sexy looking but not overly provocatively so. Plain colours are probably the best and safest bet as flowery patterns may not sit well with a guy. I would also suggest long straight hair.

A bikini photo can be nice but again avoid an obvious professional photo, do it down on the beach or by the pool side, if unable then one's bedroom should probably suffice. Main thing here is to not have it look model looking. Have it natural looking in a nice pose, smile as in all the photos of course.

I often like seeing more natural, personally taken rather than professional photos. Professional photos are of course nice but often they are very staged and don't really give me an idea of how the girl looks day to day. Occasionally the girl will look similar or the same as how she looks day to day if she is model like in daily life. Otherwise it's can give a false impression, I much prefer to look at a real person and consider if I might like waking up next to her than a photo that looks a bit manaquin like.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 01, 2020, 12:35:27 PM
Hello, guys😘
Here's another case for you. I registered on the website of Elenas models in may last year. I almost do not go to the site, over the past year I went there no more than 10 times. Since in the first days men did not show much interest in my person ( imagine, I was shocked by this fact😂😂😂), I stopped going to the site.I went there two weeks ago to update my contact information. A week ago, a man who found my profile on the site writes to my email. Today, he told me that he wants to meet. Yes, he is willing to pay for my tickets, visas, and all my possible expenses. Here are his words - "for the first 10 days on the site, 86 women wrote to me. But I liked your profile and I want to get to know you better." I ask him- "why did you write to me?"  You know what he said? - " because those other women communicate on the site all day long and I know that they also write to other men.".  I do not write to anyone, and just do not go to the site. So to say a virgin on this site.😂😂😂 Interesting point of view.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 01, 2020, 01:09:01 PM
Hello, guys😘
Here's another case for you. I registered on the website of Elenas models in may last year. I almost do not go to the site, over the past year I went there no more than 10 times. Since in the first days men did not show much interest in my person ( imagine, I was shocked by this fact😂😂😂), I stopped going to the site.I went there two weeks ago to update my contact information. A week ago, a man who found my profile on the site writes to my email. Today, he told me that he wants to meet. Yes, he is willing to pay for my tickets, visas, and all my possible expenses. Here are his words - "for the first 10 days on the site, 86 women wrote to me. But I liked your profile and I want to get to know you better." I ask him- "why did you write to me?"  You know what he said? - " because those other women communicate on the site all day long and I know that they also write to other men.".  I do not write to anyone, and just do not go to the site. So to say a virgin on this site.😂😂😂 Interesting point of view.

Certainly interesting, what's your take on this? Are you going to go meet him?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: 2tallbill on March 01, 2020, 01:18:33 PM
But, as Big Bill (I think it was him) said, the man who is really serious about
finding a wife will mostly avoid contacting women with the most sexy photos.

It wasn't me who said that. Besides, what one man finds sexy isn't always
the same that another finds sexy.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 01, 2020, 01:21:53 PM
Sounds like paradise :D I wish I lived there, lol.

In the west men have to be careful with flirting,

No. we do NOT..  This is Trench nonsense..   At work  - one must be professional ... that's it ..

As SC walks to the beach ( whilst talking to me )  a guy will tell her she has a nice figure and asks for her number ...  FSU / Cypriot guys are more direct (?)


Trench thinks that if he brings a FSU W to the UK that a richer, better looking guy will tempt his beloved away  :wallbash:

A week ago, a man who found my profile on the site writes to my email. Today, he told me that he wants to meet. Yes, he is willing to pay for my tickets, visas, and all my possible expenses. Here are his words - "for the first 10 days on the site, 86 women wrote to me. But I liked your profile and I want to get to know you better." I ask him- "why did you write to me?"  You know what he said? - " because those other women communicate on the site all day long and I know that they also write to other men.".  I do not write to anyone, and just do not go to the site. So to say a virgin on this site.😂😂😂 Interesting point of view.

*I* think your potential suitor may not be being sincere ..but ..he HAS succeeded in convincing you..;)

Q: How quickly ( how many messages were exchanged) before he made the offer ?  Are you video chatting .. ?

You don't have to answer ...

*I* have done that once and I already knew I wanted to marry the lady .. but we chatted constantly ..there could not have been time for other'competitors' ;)












 






Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 01, 2020, 01:22:23 PM
Certainly interesting, what's your take on this? Are you going to go meet him?
Well...in Russia, there is a saying - to promise does not mean to get married. 😊
That is, people can say a lot, but not do anything that was promised. I will continue to communicate with him and see what happens.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 01, 2020, 01:30:21 PM
No. we do NOT..  This is Trench nonsense..   At work  - one must be professional ... that's it ..

As SC walks to the beach ( whilst talking to me )  a guy will tell her she has a nice figure and asks for her number ...  FSU / Cypriot guys are more direct (?)


Trench thinks that if he brings a FSU W to the UK that a richer, better looking guy will tempt his beloved away  :wallbash:

*I* think your potential suitor may not be being sincere ..but ..he HAS succeeded in convincing you..;)

Q: How quickly ( how many messages were exchanged) before he made the offer ?  Are you video chatting .. ?

You don't have to answer ...

*I* have done that once and I already knew I wanted to marry the lady .. but we chatted constantly ..there could not have been time for other'competitors' ;)
I didn't count the messages, honestly.😁
 We talked for a week. Again, promising doesn't mean getting married. 😉 Man shows his serious intentions by actions, not words.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 01, 2020, 01:31:42 PM
Well...in Russia, there is a saying - to promise does not mean to get married. 😊
That is, people can say a lot, but not do anything that was promised. I will continue to communicate with him and see what happens.

Good idea, it could well be that he sends that message to every lady, lol or that he sends different messages depending on what he reads into the lady's profile but contacts many women. He could of course be sincere, find you are an attractive enough lady and does not want to waste time in communication to other lady's only to be cut out down the line. Be sure though that this guy is not a nutter if you decide to go though.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 01, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
Good idea, it could well be that he sends that message to every lady, lol or that he sends different messages depending on what he reads into the lady's profile but contacts many women. He could of course be sincere, find you are an attractive enough lady and does not want to waste time in communication to other lady's only to be cut out down the line. Be sure though that this guy is not a nutter if you decide to go though.
All these options are quite likely, so I always look at what a man does, not what he says.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on March 01, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Hello, guys😘
Here's another case for you. I registered on the website of Elenas models in may last year. I almost do not go to the site, over the past year I went there no more than 10 times. Since in the first days men did not show much interest in my person ( imagine, I was shocked by this fact😂😂😂), I stopped going to the site.I went there two weeks ago to update my contact information. A week ago, a man who found my profile on the site writes to my email. Today, he told me that he wants to meet. Yes, he is willing to pay for my tickets, visas, and all my possible expenses. Here are his words - "for the first 10 days on the site, 86 women wrote to me. But I liked your profile and I want to get to know you better." I ask him- "why did you write to me?"  You know what he said? - " because those other women communicate on the site all day long and I know that they also write to other men.".  I do not write to anyone, and just do not go to the site. So to say a virgin on this site.😂😂😂 Interesting point of view.

Here's what you should do. Tell him you want to learn more about him before deciding to meet him. Offer him your phone number. See how much time he invests to learn more about you as a person. Even invite him to visit your city.

I question mind of a man who's willing to offer free vacations to a stranger. If he's serious about you, he'll accept your offer so you two can learn more about each other. He'll respect you even more that you didn't accept his invitation for a free vacation right away.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 02, 2020, 12:46:34 AM
Here's what you should do. Tell him you want to learn more about him before deciding to meet him. Offer him your phone number.

Hmm, Does BillyB know that unless they are using SKYPE to video chat - the likelihood is the 'telephone number' is known ....?

See how much time he invests to learn more about you as a person. Even invite him to visit your city.

I question mind of a man who's willing to offer free vacations to a stranger. If he's serious about you, he'll accept your offer so you two can learn more about each other. He'll respect you even more that you didn't accept his invitation for a free vacation right away.

I knew a Cypriot guy in Cyprus who regularly invited Russian ladies to come to him and he had a string of 'girlfriends'  who never came twice...    I invited one lady - paying for her ticket and she stayed at mine - and I married her :) 

albajulia probably already figured proving a man has the means to care for her doesn't mean he will continue beyond a free holiday (vacation) ...   



Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 02, 2020, 01:25:43 AM
I'm not 20 years old, and I'm pretty critical of WORDS if words aren't followed by actions. There are two sides of the coin-male dreamers who will never come to the meeting and rich daddies who are looking for young bodies, and pay for a girl's vacation.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: rwd123 on March 02, 2020, 02:52:17 AM
I'm not 20 years old, and I'm pretty critical of WORDS if words aren't followed by actions. There are two sides of the coin-male dreamers who will never come to the meeting and rich daddies who are looking for young bodies, and pay for a girl's vacation.
Women are no more or less trustworthy.

I'd have no interest paying for girl's vacation unless we were in a committed relationship. I have better ways to spend my time and money!
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 02, 2020, 04:16:41 AM
Women are no more or less trustworthy.

I'd have no interest paying for girl's vacation unless we were in a committed relationship. I have better ways to spend my time and money!
The world is multifaceted.😉
In addition to your point of view, there are hundreds and thousands of others.😊
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on March 02, 2020, 09:10:59 AM

if you look closely, you will see that no individual snow flake looks exactly like another one
each one is uniquely different
yet from a distance, they all look the same
this paradox, applies to everything






Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 03, 2020, 03:29:07 PM
I'm not 20 years old, and I'm pretty critical of WORDS if words aren't followed by actions. There are two sides of the coin-male dreamers who will never come to the meeting and rich daddies who are looking for young bodies, and pay for a girl's vacation.

Is this common thinking in Russia and Ukraine of western guys that pay for a girl's vacation?

What would a guy have to do to show that he is not married and playing around?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on March 03, 2020, 03:51:06 PM
pay for a girl's vacation.

You are referring to 'girls.'

The feminists would harass you for that.

But I do understand.  My FSU wife refers to herself and her adult female friends as girls.

After she returns from Ukraine, she is always happy to report that somewhere in public, like getting on trolley bus or some such, that someone referred to her as devushka.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 04, 2020, 12:39:32 AM


What would a guy have to do to show that he is not married and playing around?

You already know the answer and have been on 'vacation' with a FSU W ..

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 05, 2020, 12:35:33 AM
Is this common thinking in Russia and Ukraine of western guys that pay for a girl's vacation?

What would a guy have to do to show that he is not married and playing around?

Hi) I will tell you about my experience. An unmarried man does not hide his life. We communicate not only in messengers but also in social networks, for example on Facebook. He sends photos of his home, and we communicate by video after hours. A married man does not get in touch after working hours, because his wife is nearby. If a man is interested - he wants to know everything about me, he is interested in what I love, what flowers I like, he is interested in my life. He asked just about anything! If a man does not play , he wants to meet and looks for opportunities to do so. By the way, Russian coaches teach girls - if a man does not offer to meet after 2 weeks of communication, he plays. If a man does not want to meet and after 3 months of communication-stop communicating, he plays
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 05, 2020, 12:40:53 AM
You are referring to 'girls.'

The feminists would harass you for that.


But I do understand.  My FSU wife refers to herself and her adult female friends as girls.

After she returns from Ukraine, she is always happy to report that somewhere in public, like getting on trolley bus or some such, that someone referred to her as devushka.
I don't care about feminists. A woman should be a woman-gentle, feminine, loving. I want to feel weak around a strong man.  A horse can also be strong and independent.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2020, 02:08:22 AM
By the way, Russian coaches teach girls - if a man does not offer to meet after 2 weeks of communication, he plays. If a man does not want to meet and after 3 months of communication-stop communicating, he plays

I met my future 2nd RU wife online  - we first started to chat in November - I met her over 4 months later ...    So much for the 'coaches' ;)

But, generally, I'd agree with those guidelines




Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 05, 2020, 03:36:14 AM
A man can come to a meeting in 2 weeks-a month only if he likes the woman very much and has the opportunity to leave his job. If a man wants to meet, he needs to solve a lot of problems - get a visa if necessary, have a vacation at work, etc. So I am calm about the fact that it will take time before we meet.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 05, 2020, 05:06:39 AM
I don't care about feminists. A woman should be a woman-gentle, feminine, loving. I want to feel weak around a strong man.  A horse can also be strong and independent.

Albajulia-

Be informed that the word ‘feminist’ is often misused and/or misunderstood in the same way you do.

A feminist is a person, regardless of gender, that supports equal rights for women on the basis of social equality of sexes.

A woman can be feminine and still be a feminist, and many are if not most or even all are.

Take comfort that while the word and ideal originated in the west, the majority of us often misused, mislead or misunderstand the word/s up to present time. The fact no one had pointed this fact to you is proof of that. Usually the word ‘feminist’ is used to make derogatory connotation, than the word’s actual intent, upon a woman.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 05, 2020, 07:12:28 AM
Albajulia-

Be informed that the word ‘feminist’ is often misused and/or misunderstood in the same way you do.

A feminist is a person, regardless of gender, that supports equal rights for women on the basis of social equality of sexes.

A woman can be feminine and still be a feminist, and many are if not most or even all are.

Take comfort that while the word and ideal originated in the west, the majority of us often misused, mislead or misunderstand the word/s up to present time. The fact no one had pointed this fact to you is proof of that. Usually the word ‘feminist’ is used to make derogatory connotation, than the word’s actual intent, upon a woman.
Thats for sure. That's why so many men are looking for wives abroad. ;D
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 05, 2020, 07:52:25 AM
Thats for sure. That's why so many men are looking for wives abroad. ;D

Maybe the verbosity of my post failed to correct your misunderstanding of the word ‘feminist’

And no, I do not agree that somehow feminism is the reason why many men are seeking wives abroad.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2020, 08:17:41 AM


And no, I do not agree that somehow feminism is the reason why many men are seeking wives abroad.

..and YET..if you actually listened to what FSU W tell you ... THAT is the reason W.men SO often give ..when asked WHY a foreign wife ?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 05, 2020, 08:31:12 AM
Maybe the verbosity of my post failed to correct your misunderstanding of the word ‘feminist’

And no, I do not agree that somehow feminism is the reason why many men are seeking wives abroad.
It was sarcasm. 😉
And Yes, when men are asked why the wife is from FSU - they say it is about feminism and about the fact that women are more family-oriented, etc. Why are you looking for wives from FSU, if they are the same as Americans or Europeans?
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Faux Pas on March 05, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
It was sarcasm. 😉
And Yes, when men are asked why the wife is from FSU - they say it is about feminism and about the fact that women are more family-oriented, etc. Why are you looking for wives from FSU, if they are the same as Americans or Europeans?

More often than not, men who would state such a claim do not see or recognize their own faults. Yes, the reason more often than not men from the west look to the east is because of their own short comings or inabilities to find a suitable lady at home. There is a plethora of women right at home in their own countries. I am not stating all men who go east but many of them. The sample size of men I have met, many of them that have married FSUW or went east actually disappoints me as men. IMHO a bit of feminist exist in every woman no matter where they live.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on March 05, 2020, 09:50:45 AM
It was sarcasm. 😉
And Yes, when men are asked why the wife is from FSU - they say it is about feminism and about the fact that women are more family-oriented, etc. Why are you looking for wives from FSU, if they are the same as Americans or Europeans?

I would agree that most men involved with FSU women give reasons such as this.
You can read their words here on a daily basis.

But this reasoning is far from the driving factor.

The most important reason is due to economics.
Western men can trade-up and attain a woman with particular characteristics (not related to feminism or family-oriented) that they cannot attain in the west.
The reason is economics.
A western man can date and marry an FSU woman who is younger, more slender, prettier, etc., etc., than the women he can date and marry in his western country.
The reason is economics.
The young, slender, pretty women exist in the west the same as they do in the FSU, but those women are not going for the older, heavier, balder, men in their home country.
Because of economics, FSU women will accept the older, heavier, balder men who come calling from the west.

But, there are some good catches among these western men who come to FSU, despite their older, heavier, balder characteristics.
A primary reason they are good catches is economics.

Good news is that, despite the overriding factor of economics in the beginning, compatible and loving relationships can be formed allowing both parties to be satisfied or even overjoyed with happiness.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 05, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
I would agree that most men involved with FSU women give reasons such as this.
You can read their words here on a daily basis.

But this reasoning is far from the driving factor.

The most important reason is due to economics.
Western men can trade-up and attain a woman with particular characteristics (not related to feminism or family-oriented) that they cannot attain in the west.
The reason is economics.
A western man can date and marry an FSU woman who is younger, more slender, prettier, etc., etc., than the women he can date and marry in his western country.
The reason is economics.
The young, slender, pretty women exist in the west the same as they do in the FSU, but those women are not going for the older, heavier, balder, men in their home country.
Because of economics, FSU women will accept the older, heavier, balder men who come calling from the west.

But, there are some good catches among these western men who come to FSU, despite their older, heavier, balder characteristics.
A primary reason they are good catches is economics.

Good news is that, despite the overriding factor of economics in the beginning, compatible and loving relationships can be formed allowing both parties to be satisfied or even overjoyed with happiness.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. A man from the West can find a younger wife in the East. What do Russian coaches say in this case? In his own country, this man can't afford to have a younger, more beautiful wife-unless he's rich. While there are many women in the FSU who will agree to become his wife . Russian coaches say ( for example, about Americans) - a man of 50 years old, divorced, pays alimony. In America, it is difficult for him to find a wife, especially a young wife. While a woman from FSU is ready to marry him. Everyone gets what they want-a man a young wife, a woman a more or less comfortable life. It's good when people respect and love each other in such pairs.
 In any case, I'm always for love.🌹😘😘😘
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on March 05, 2020, 10:51:25 AM
That's exactly what I'm talking about. A man from the West can find a younger wife in the East. What do Russian coaches say in this case? In his own country, this man can't afford to have a younger, more beautiful wife-unless he's rich. While there are many women in the FSU who will agree to become his wife . Russian coaches say ( for example, about Americans) - a man of 50 years old, divorced, pays alimony. In America, it is difficult for him to find a wife, especially a young wife. While a woman from FSU is ready to marry him. Everyone gets what they want-a man a young wife, a woman a more or less comfortable life. It's good when people respect and love each other in such pairs.
 In any case, I'm always for love.🌹😘😘😘

Not exactly what you were talking about when you suggested ". . . it is about feminism and about the fact that women are more family-oriented . . ."
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Boethius on March 05, 2020, 01:15:54 PM
It's not that a WM can't "afford" a younger wife.  It's that the women they want don't want them.


FSUW are not any more "family oriented" than the average WW.  That's another myth.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: ML on March 05, 2020, 01:29:32 PM
It's not that a WM can't "afford" a younger wife.  It's that the women they want don't want them.

Exactly right.

Again, economics is the controlling factor.

But in this case, the WM do not have the economic advantage that they do in the FSU.

Except of course when the man has enormous economic advantage; then he can obtain a trophy wife in the west.

Just a wild guess, but I am thinking 20 million dollars or so.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: rwd123 on March 05, 2020, 05:15:07 PM
if a man does not offer to meet after 2 weeks of communication, he plays. If a man does not want to meet and after 3 months of communication-stop communicating, he plays
LOL. I had to wait 6 weeks to receive an invitation letter from my sponsor. Then another 2-3 weeks for the visa. The entire process will take me 2-3 months.

Unless a man already has a visa and no responsibilities, only a stupid woman thinks a man will travel in 2 weeks. I would like to marry a unicorn too.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 05, 2020, 10:55:49 PM
LOL. I had to wait 6 weeks to receive an invitation letter from my sponsor. Then another 2-3 weeks for the visa. The entire process will take me 2-3 months.

Unless a man already has a visa and no responsibilities, only a stupid woman thinks a man will travel in 2 weeks. I would like to marry a unicorn too.

??

Are we talking about getting a visa for Russia ?

I get get a BIZ invite for a Visa in 24-48 hrs in the UK and a Tourist Voucher in less time ..


Processing time for the visa 4-days ( but you'll pay) to 6 weeks - normally a week ... 

Waiting for an invitation takes for ever.. better to have a biz m/entry vis





Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: rwd123 on March 06, 2020, 02:52:11 AM
??

Are we talking about getting a visa for Russia ?

I get get a BIZ invite for a Visa in 24-48 hrs in the UK and a Tourist Voucher in less time ..


Processing time for the visa 4-days ( but you'll pay) to 6 weeks - normally a week ... 

Waiting for an invitation takes for ever.. better to have a biz m/entry vis
I'm not purchasing an invitation letter. Word of warning for those purchasing business invitations - I was asked to provide a cover letter from my sponsor stating reasons for business travel (first time). You may get knocked back if you don't have a legitimate reason for a business visa. I find tourist visas quite inflexible in comparison.

And not all embassies or consulates will work in the time frames you are accustomed to. Back to the point - if you think someone is going to jump on a plane for you after two weeks of online correspondence, well...

 :cluebat:

Within three months is reasonable.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 03:21:38 AM
I'm not purchasing an invitation letter. Word of warning for those purchasing business invitations - I was asked to provide a cover letter from my sponsor stating reasons for business travel (first time). You may get knocked back if you don't have a legitimate reason for a business visa. I find tourist visas quite inflexible in comparison.

And not all embassies or consulates will work in the time frames you are accustomed to. Back to the point - if you think someone is going to jump on a plane for you after two weeks of online correspondence, well...

 :cluebat:

Within three months is reasonable.

I'd have no problem providing the covering letter as I actually DO, do biz in / with RU citizens .. but thanks for the heads up..

Point is .. IF you really need to get out to RU..as long as you can spare giving up a passport for a week or more ... the 'coaches' are generally right ..

We are either guys of action ... or ..

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 06, 2020, 06:17:47 AM
If the man has a valid visa, and he has a vacation, if the woman liked him and he wants to meet her - he can come after 2-3 weeks of communication. It all depends on the man's capabilities and desire. And I know many such cases.
Remember the saying ? Who wants to - looking for opportunities. Who does not want - looking for reasons.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 06, 2020, 06:23:52 AM
By the way, what does this have to do with what I think?😊
 I just repeated the words of the Russian coaches. That's what they teach girls. "If a man after 2-3 weeks of communication does not announce the date of the meeting-do not waste time on him and look for another. "
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GenMish on March 06, 2020, 06:58:10 AM
That's exactly what I'm talking about. A man from the West can find a younger wife in the East. What do Russian coaches say in this case? In his own country, this man can't afford to have a younger, more beautiful wife-unless he's rich. While there are many women in the FSU who will agree to become his wife . Russian coaches say ( for example, about Americans) - a man of 50 years old, divorced, pays alimony. In America, it is difficult for him to find a wife, especially a young wife. While a woman from FSU is ready to marry him. Everyone gets what they want-a man a young wife, a woman a more or less comfortable life. It's good when people respect and love each other in such pairs.
 In any case, I'm always for love.🌹😘😘😘

Technology helps the American middle aged man that wants a young Western GF. There is a site called 'Seeking Arrangements', even men of modest means can have a young girl once or twice a week. Most girls there are college aged, and need money to finish their studies. A reasonable emotional relationship is possible, because for now they are more of a good girl than a bad girl.

in my case, after being married to a RW for 23 years, I opted for a young Asian GF from Laos. For now, we take vacations together. In the next few years, I will pick a resort area, establish a retiree type visa (depending on the country)buy a condo and stay 6 months a year while she lives there FT

Ive said this before, and I know its an unpopular opinion, nothing personal,  but I think a Western Man going overseas for a wife over 35 is stupid. My Ex went from sweet and adorable to a Stalin era Babushka by her mid 40s
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GenMish on March 06, 2020, 07:20:11 AM
My advice for RW seeking Western Men

Tell men what value you can bring to their lives, What do you bring to the table? Don't go with all the love, companionship, support and other intangible stuff. That goes in one ear and out the other. When I went to Russia 27 years ago, the girls and their families were showing me what value they had. Education, Cooking, Cleaning, Sewing, home gardens, Child raising commitment and ability, Home making abilities, Morals etc....Real Tangible items

 
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 07:39:24 AM
My advice for RW seeking Western Men

Tell men what value you can bring to their lives, What do you bring to the table? Don't go with all the love, companionship, support and other intangible stuff. That goes in one ear and out the other. When I went to Russia 27 years ago, the girls and their families were showing me what value they had. Education, Cooking, Cleaning, Sewing, home gardens, Child raising commitment and ability, Home making abilities, Morals etc....Real Tangible items

'Tell' ?

Isn't that for US to find out when we spend time together ?
....

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 08:10:22 AM
If the man has a valid visa, and he has a vacation, if the woman liked him and he wants to meet her - he can come after 2-3 weeks of communication. It all depends on the man's capabilities and desire. And I know many such cases.
Remember the saying ? Who wants to - looking for opportunities. Who does not want - looking for reasons.

I've done a lot of reading here and some men won't decided to meet a woman until after a few months, half a year and some men even made their first visit to a woman after over a year of communication. Some men have work commitments. Some men need more time to communicate with a woman before deciding on a visit. Ideally it's best a MAN is able to make decisions quickly but some men have a hard time reading people quickly and need more time.
Title: Re: Hello
Post by: Faux Pas on March 06, 2020, 08:38:24 AM
By the way, what does this have to do with what I think?
 I just repeated the words of the Russian coaches. That's what they teach girls. "If a man after 2-3 weeks of communication does not announce the date of the meeting-do not waste time on him and look for another. "

The coaches are peddling some bad advice to you about men from the US. Any man worth having would be much more cautious than to jump on a plane to Russia after a couple of weeks of communication. Just as you would meet someone at your local market, you would want to talk and get to know, become acquainted with each other. This takes time, much more time with the distance. Most people can carry on a charade or an out right lie for a couple of weeks. Fooling someone as to your character or motives gets more difficult over time. I've been out of the game for a very long time now and technology has changed considerably since I was. However, with all of the traps, pitfalls and thievery in the MOB business, one must do their due diligence. It doesn't matter if he is traveling to meet one or many. This takes time. The logistics of planning and visas also take time. IMHO if he is a serious man he would have a plan and visiting in 3 months or soon after. Those guys in Europe could certainly arrive sooner. The Aussie guys about the same as US. Patience is key, but not too much patience
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: krimster2 on March 06, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
most Russians I've met are VERY conservative thinkers...
the Soviet Union encouraged conformity in its citizens, made them easier to control...

uniforms are worn both on the outside
and inside the minds of the people who wear them.

all young Pioneers must learn how to be good Soviet boys and girls...
don’t worry little ones...we’ll TEACH you...

so, this was how your parents lived...
and probably what they tried to teach you as well...

so to some degree, some amount...
you are a good Soviet girl...

who is supposed to behave a certain way....

my question to you is...

how’s that working out for you?
why not try something different?
something a good Soviet citizen would never dream of doing?
taking a risk....
and committing to a bold and deliberate course of action!

this is TOTALLY how I succeeded MULTIPLE times in the romantic quest that has thus far eluded you...
the difference is...
I went to your jungle, and hunted my prey there, and did so successfully EVERY time!
this is not bragging, or ego, just proving I know what the hell I am talking about
because I've done it

don't be such a dull good girl
learn how to build a fire in men's imagination....

if you entertain me...
in exchange, I will show you how to do this...

what do you have to lose compared to what you might gain?

note: before seriously considering the matter, please review the following web site:

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/

so we will have a common reference point for our future conversation...

'spossiba

BTW, do you have a VK account?
also, are you interested in Russian cosmetics and facial care products by any chance?




Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Boethius on March 06, 2020, 09:40:38 AM
Were your speculation true, the USSR would not have collapsed peacefully.  All those "conforming citizens" wouldn't have become capitalists overnight.

Incidentally, the better half is far more liberal in his views than am I, always has been.

This post was composed without the aid of gogole.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 06, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
By the way, what does this have to do with what I think?😊
 I just repeated the words of the Russian coaches. That's what they teach girls. "If a man after 2-3 weeks of communication does not announce the date of the meeting-do not waste time on him and look for another. "

Maybe this is just me, or this is just lost in translation...the word is 'announce', which could easily mean 'planning' or 'discuss' but not necessarily meaning actually going over already. The actual visit date could be at some point in the (immediate) future, which may log say 2,3 4 months since meeting.

I can't envision idly speaking with anyone for 3 weeks void of any interest to spur me to discuss meeting in person at the not-too-distant future.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: jone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:15 AM
Maybe this is just me, this is just lost in translation...the word is 'announce', which could easily mean 'planning' or 'discuss' but not necessarily meaning actually going over already. The actual visit date could be at some point in the (immediate) future, which may log say 2,3 4 months since meeting.

I can't envision idly speaking with anyone for 3 weeks void of any interest to spur me to discuss meeting in person at the not-too-distant future.

The intent of the man must be made clear to the woman.   I, personally, would not talk to a woman unless the intent to meet was discussed almost from the first day communicating.  Including a time frame.   We have members on here who remark that if you're not willing to get on a plane within two months of first talking to a woman, then you may very well miss out on another guy who will get there first.

But, then, I remark that the woman has to say the correct things as well.   A man is flying half way around the world for a blind date.   Aside from the substantial monetary commitment, the man is taking the time (the most expensive commodity) to get on that plane.   The woman better darn well know that he's not making the trip for slight interest.   

It is up to the man to gauge the woman's interest.   If she is not willing to commit her time and interest locally, in her city, why should the man make a trip on a plane that flies for 13 hours?   I can think of many, many, many stories where the woman has feigned interest and the guy gets off the plane only to find that her Grandmother is sick or that she can't get off of work, etc.

That is the reason, this stage of the relationship, that he better have a plan B and a plan C.   Or he will be staring at the ceiling of his hotel room, cursing his luck and all FSU women.   After all, what are a few discussions on WhatsApp?   They are nothing of a commitment in either direction.   Good intentions are easily misplaced by stark reality.   And the commitment of time and money is huge on the man's side.   Not so much for the woman.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 06, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
I can truthfully say, I NEVER got off a plane to meet a lady and they were a no show ..


When I read of such things, I can only wonder if the guy had his wits about him ... ?

By the time I went, I knew the ladies address, and much more ..  The thought that she'd duck at the last minute never crossed my mind ..

*I* believe that might happen to guys who believe in VM ..  ?!
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: rwd123 on March 06, 2020, 03:48:34 PM
I can truthfully say, I NEVER got off a plane to meet a lady and they were a no show ..
I've had no shows though my travel has never been for the sole purpose of dating women I'd never met before. Two women lived all the way in Siberia, one was on EM and she promptly deleted her profile after our non-rendezvous.

Obviously you need to make a decision on the intent of the man/woman, but it's far more subjective than "2-3 weeks or ditch him." It's really, really bad advice.

I am leaning towards the opinion that dating/marriage sites are on the same path as marriage agencies - largely obsolete. It's becoming a world of dating apps, even for international relations. I think Pat shares this view. But! There will be less women interested in dating a foreigner.

GenMish - if you and your girlfriend are happy then I see no issues with your relationship. Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: jone on March 06, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
I dated a gal in Mykolaiv who was seeing me only because her best girlfriend, who lives in the US, had put her up to it.  Her friend answered my first emails and subsequent communication and only when I sent her flowers did she actually come on Skype and we had our first conversation.   It worked out pretty well, meeting in Mykolaiv, and we remain friends to this day, but I share this because there are many hidden things at the time of first contact.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 06, 2020, 04:50:00 PM
By the way, what does this have to do with what I think?😊 I just repeated the words of the Russian coaches. That's what they teach girls. "If a man after 2-3 weeks of communication does not announce the date of the meeting-do not waste time on him and look for another. "

Albajulia-

BTW, for the sake of information sharing, I forgot to ask you before since we're on the subject of 'women are told, or taught, by these Russian coaches in how to manage their dating situations.

Are you taught that if you begin to communicate with someone that you should NOT talk or communicate to anyone else? That you should only communicate, correspond / make plans, etc..with only one man?

How about you personally? Do you do this yourself? Are you true to the men when you are asked if you're corresponding to other men? What do you tell them?

Me personally, and what I did when I started, I told every single women from my first letter that I plan to write as many women as I can, and they should also do the same (write/meet men) UNTIL such point we meet in person where we can make better judgment if there's any chance of building a relationship and be 'exclusive'. Some women didn't agree, some women did.

One of those who agreed with me is my wife now for almost 16 years.

edit: Yes, I broke the hearts of those I met in person when I decided to pursue a relationship with my wife instead of them. Two, as a matter of fact, wrote me months and a couple of years after just to find out if I was still single (I can't blame them really. They've never met/known anyone like me before. I was a rock star in the USSR).  :devil:
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: BillyB on March 06, 2020, 05:53:43 PM

I've had a no show. I communicated with a woman who was always happy to talk to me on the phone, even when she was at work. When I showed up in Kiev and called her, she told me she didn't want to meet and I then asked her a series of questions but before she'd answer, I'd hear a faint voice talking before she'd answer. I asked who that was and she told me it's her sister giving her the answers. I told her I want to hear it from her why she's not meeting me. She said her family doesn't want to her to meet me.  I told her she should do what she wants but if her family controls her life, I'm moving on. It's easy to get dates in the FSU. Maybe her family didn't want her to meet me because they don't want her to leave the country. Maybe racism played a part. Didn't matter to me. There are other options.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 07, 2020, 07:29:19 AM
Albajulia-

BTW, for the sake of information sharing, I forgot to ask you before since we're on the subject of 'women are told, or taught, by these Russian coaches in how to manage their dating situations.

Are you taught that if you begin to communicate with someone that you should NOT talk or communicate to anyone else? That you should only communicate, correspond / make plans, etc..with only one man?

How about you personally? Do you do this yourself? Are you true to the men when you are asked if you're corresponding to other men? What do you tell them?

Me personally, and what I did when I started, I told every single women from my first letter that I plan to write as many women as I can, and they should also do the same (write/meet men) UNTIL such point we meet in person where we can make better judgment if there's any chance of building a relationship and be 'exclusive'. Some women didn't agree, some women did.

One of those who agreed with me is my wife now for almost 16 years.

edit: Yes, I broke the hearts of those I met in person when I decided to pursue a relationship with my wife instead of them. Two, as a matter of fact, wrote me months and a couple of years after just to find out if I was still single (I can't blame them really. They've never met/known anyone like me before. I was a rock star in the USSR).  :devil:
I chat with several men. When one of them asks me if I am communicating with someone else, I say yes. Someone is offended - "I thought you were communicating ONLY with me." I ask - "and you? Do you only communicate with me?" The response is usually silence.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 07, 2020, 07:48:01 AM
Coaches teach girls not to delete a profile from a dating site until there is a ring on your finger. Only when a man makes an offer and gives a ring - you need to delete the profile.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 07, 2020, 07:49:12 AM
And yes, I have VK profile
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 07, 2020, 09:23:12 AM
I chat with several men. When one of them asks me if I am communicating with someone else, I say yes. Someone is offended - "I thought you were communicating ONLY with me." I ask - "and you? Do you only communicate with me?" The response is usually silence.

Thank you for your honesty. I agree with you.

This should put to rest the silly advice/opinion that men should only communicate with one woman because that's what women do. They call this WOVO (Write One, Visit One). Which brings me to the next question..

If you don't mind...

How would you feel, or women in general involved in the M.O.B., if you (or they) found out you were actually (what men here tell other men to do) what they call Plan 'B' or Plan 'C' woman?

What this means is, you were not Plan 'A", meaning you were not the first choice and is the reason why they went to Russia (or Ukraine). But since their first choice (Plan A) didn't like them when they met in person - they then become desperate and go to Plan B (maybe you) by calling and saying they are in your country to meet/visit you. They're in town not because of you, but because now they're desperate and don't want to be 'bored' and waste their money and vacation. You would not even exist if things worked out with Plan A.

This is one of the top 'expert' advice men give each other here. :devil:

Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
I chat with several men. When one of them asks me if I am communicating with someone else, I say yes. Someone is offended - "I thought you were communicating ONLY with me." I ask - "and you? Do you only communicate with me?" The response is usually silence.

*I* believed that if you have agreed to meet,( flts / accommodation booked )  then *I* would stop all other contact with other ladies - explaining why .... 


Honesty, visiting one lady at a time ( admittedly easier for me being in the Eastern Med at the time )  resulted in no, 'no shows' ..

If I had felt the lady wasn't putting other guys on hold ... I didn't visit .. I had a lady claim, "she'd been in correspondence with a guy a long time ...  I feel bad" ...   That was the soft lad's problem, for inaction ..

I've read of guys complaining of ladies:

a)  not returning msgs as fast as normal ..

b)  long periods of silence .. 

c) Going out out town .. 

I would have simply not bothered ...
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 07, 2020, 09:48:49 AM
If I arrange a real meeting with a man - yes, I will not communicate with others. I don’t have enough moral strength for this. If I wait for a man, I wait for him, think about him, and I have no desire and strength for other men.
Whether I go back to the site or delete the profile depends on the outcome of the meeting.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 07, 2020, 10:15:02 AM
If I arrange a real meeting with a man - yes, I will not communicate with others. I don’t have enough moral strength for this. If I wait for a man, I wait for him, think about him, and I have no desire and strength for other men.
Whether I go back to the site or delete the profile depends on the outcome of the meeting.

Quite...    :clapping:
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 07, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
If I arrange a real meeting with a man - yes, I will not communicate with others. I don’t have enough moral strength for this. If I wait for a man, I wait for him, think about him, and I have no desire and strength for other men.

AlbaJulia-

While I can understand and even respect your POV above, I do not agree for the following, very simple, reason...
 
I refuse to engage in deep, personal level, much less emotional level with anyone I have not met in person. Thus, there will be NO morality involved in a totally platonic acquaintance. I won't engage in hours of communicating before we meet. It's utterly useless to me.

Whatever correspondence we share during this time will strictly be in a friendly manner. We are still strangers and until we meet in person, look at each other, talk face to face, watch one another - and more importantly 'feel' what it's like to be this close to each other in person - we would have no idea what meeting will make us feel about each other. I never cater to any women to spite myself ( I'm not a 'pussywhip' and never will be). Women are my equal as you have as much right to a decision as I do.

There will be plenty of time and opportunity after we meet to get deeper into better understanding each other. By then, both of us would be in the same state 'emotionally' and we'd be in better frame of mind to make that life altering decision.

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Whether I go back to the site or delete the profile depends on the outcome of the meeting.

..and THAT, is exactly what I mean!

edit: In case you missed the other question from my last post, please read and feel free to give me your opinion about it.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: albajulia on March 07, 2020, 11:38:51 AM
AlbaJulia-

While I can understand and even respect your POV above, I do not agree for the following, very simple, reason...
 
I refuse to engage in deep, personal level, much less emotional level with anyone I have not met in person. Thus, there will be NO morality involved in a totally platonic acquaintance. I won't engage in hours of communicating before we meet. It's utterly useless to me.

Whatever correspondence we share during this time will strictly be in a friendly manner. We are still strangers and until we meet in person, look at each other, talk face to face, watch one another - and more importantly 'feel' what it's like to be this close to each other in person - we would have no idea what meeting will make us feel about each other. I never cater to any women to spite myself ( I'm not a 'pussywhip' and never will be). Women are my equal as you have as much right to a decision as I do.

There will be plenty of time and opportunity after we meet to get deeper into better understanding each other. By then, both of us would be in the same state 'emotionally' and we'd be in better frame of mind to make that life altering decision.

..and THAT, is exactly what I mean!

edit: In case you missed the other question from my last post, please read and feel free to give me your opinion about it.

Well .... I try to answer honestly. But this is my personal opinion, and each woman has her own vision of the situation.

Of course, like any woman, I want to be the only one! But despite the fact that deep down in my soul I still believe in love - I am a realist. I perfectly understand that almost every man has backup options.

Of course this is not very nice for me. But ... if I am looking for a man from another country - I must be ready for this. And I will be really happy if the man who is nice to me to meet with me.

And I do not care who he met before me - because the main thing is that he is now with me!  And I will do everything so that after meeting with me he does not want to look for another woman. I know that I have a desire to love and give my man my love and tenderness.
In Russia there is a saying - from good they do not seek good. I am ready to give all of myself - and I hope that my man will appreciate it.

It's my opinion. Someone will not agree with this ...
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: GQBlues on March 07, 2020, 12:16:01 PM
Very honest response. Thanks.

I will then submit the fact there may actually be merit in this particular advice based on your response. But  one that will never ever come from me.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 07, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
Coaches teach girls not to delete a profile from a dating site until there is a ring on your finger. Only when a man makes an offer and gives a ring - you need to delete the profile.

Interesting, you mean marriage? As I guess the guy could either give you an engagement ring or as is customary in your country, roses by way of proposal.

I would agree not to take down profile until such a time or at least until both sides mutually agree. I take it that in your country your either in a union together or are free to choose even if in a long term relationship with a man, while with the man?

I can see that you might miss out on a guy that is great for you if you take down your profile before a solid union together. However, I would not communicate with another guy while you are meeting the guy or arranged a meeting or it could look deceitful, unless of course you tell the person you are meeting up front.

I would say though that the thing with visiting just one person at a time is that it is more time consuming and the odds are generally not as good as meeting with many. The meet many of course can only happen if you can meet many guys hence why I went into possibilities of moving to EU countries to meet more western men. I think with the exception of women that are model looking few women would be able to get many men to meet in Russia, Ukraine, etc, getting just one to meet may be a task.

The only other way you may have of meeting other guys is to go to one of the  AFA (A Foreign Affair/Love Me.com) tours or similar. There you can meet many foreign men but will also have a lot of competition from many women.

I did the whole visit one lady and while it is fine to start of with to get used to the whole scene the odds are not great. Within seconds to a few minutes both sides can usually tell if there is natural attraction. Fine if you are both happy enough with each other and want to make a go of it, but otherwise it's start over again. Myself for one I am not into getting into the whole repetitive cycle of 'how's your cat, what colour is she....' stuff time and again, far better to avoid all of that and meet many on an acquaintance basis I think.

I was going to make another attempt myself in April but all this stuff with the virus well I'm not sure if it will be a goer or not.
Title: Re: Hello😊
Post by: msmob on March 08, 2020, 03:14:20 AM
ANY post from Trenchcoat re dating / meeting women should come with a public health warning ..

Trench your 'ability' to recommend VO v VM is worthless .. You cannot handle how to behave in the company of a women, period ...  :wallbash:

Remind us how many trips you've been on and how many FSUW you've actually dated to post your 'conclusions' .....?

'Thank you'