More Bad News for Russia

[AkMike]

America is waging war in Ukraine against Russia.
We have lost more than 6000 soldiers and 300 tanks.
What about the Americans?
 You wouldn't believe it, They haven't showed up there yet! 


- Беня, а шо там такое на Украине происходит?
- Россия с Америкой воюет.
- И шо, как там дела?
- Ну Россия потеряла таки тысячи военных, сотни танков.
- А у американцев шо?
- Таки не поверишь, они вообще на войну не явились.

[Taz]

Supposedly the Russian rebels/terrorists used SU25 aircraft today to attack Ukrainian troops. I am sure they will magically find more, as well as more modern, aircraft somewhere...

[Boethius]

Supposedly the Russian rebels/terrorists used SU25 aircraft today to attack Ukrainian troops. I am sure they will magically find more, as well as more modern, aircraft somewhere...

And if accurate, that plane did not come from Russia, and was not flown by anyone from Russia.
 
Here is an excellent piece by Bernard-Henri Levi.
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/bernard-henri-levy-why-putin-is-a-danger-to-europe-380079.html
 

[calmissile]

And if accurate, that plane did not come from Russia, and was not flown by anyone from Russia.
 
Here is an excellent piece by Bernard-Henri Levi.
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/bernard-henri-levy-why-putin-is-a-danger-to-europe-380079.html

Was this meant to be tongue in cheek?

[Steamer]

America is waging war in Ukraine against Russia.
We have lost more than 6000 soldiers and 300 tanks.
What about the Americans?
 You wouldn't believe it, They haven't showed up there yet! 


- Беня, а шо там такое на Украине происходит?
- Россия с Америкой воюет.
- И шо, как там дела?
- Ну Россия потеряла таки тысячи военных, сотни танков.
- А у американцев шо?
- Таки не поверишь, они вообще на войну не явились.

Pish posh

[Taz]

Here is how it will work (aircraft).


They supposedly dust off some Su25 in a museum somewhere. Somehow they can magically retrofit all new upgrades. Suddenly it becomes a Su27. Then somehow that SU27 is transformed into a SU35...


Supposedly there was one Su25 and oneL-29 (trainer) in Lugansk in a museum. To bring one of these operationally ready after sitting in a museum is almost impossible to do without MAJOR work and MAJOR support from Russia. I will follow this very closely. My formal education was as an aeronautical engineer from probably the best university in the world for this. In addition I have military combat experience as a pilot.


I am not some shmuck you can feed me a bunch of BS about this and I'll believe it. This is all total BS and only a ruse for the most gullible of idiots (or only those that want to believe this is possible) so that Russia can now be actively involved in being able to bomb civilians rather than just murder them with Grad rocket attacks.

[Boethius]

Was this meant to be tongue in cheek?

No.  ATO denies a plane has been involved against them.

[Gator]

 
Here is an excellent piece by Bernard-Henri Levi.
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/bernard-henri-levy-why-putin-is-a-danger-to-europe-380079.html

Good editorial. 

[calmissile]

Here is how it will work (aircraft).


They supposedly dust off some Su25 in a museum somewhere. Somehow they can magically retrofit all new upgrades. Suddenly it becomes a Su27. Then somehow that SU27 is transformed into a SU35...


Supposedly there was one Su25 and oneL-29 (trainer) in Lugansk in a museum. To bring one of these operationally ready after sitting in a museum is almost impossible to do without MAJOR work and MAJOR support from Russia. I will follow this very closely. My formal education was as an aeronautical engineer from probably the best university in the world for this. In addition I have military combat experience as a pilot.


I am not some shmuck you can feed me a bunch of BS about this and I'll believe it. This is all total BS and only a ruse for the most gullible of idiots (or only those that want to believe this is possible) so that Russia can now be actively involved in being able to bomb civilians rather than just murder them with Grad rocket attacks.

Agree 100%

[fathertime]

And if accurate, that plane did not come from Russia, and was not flown by anyone from Russia.
 
Here is an excellent piece by Bernard-Henri Levi.
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/bernard-henri-levy-why-putin-is-a-danger-to-europe-380079.html

I read the link.  I don't see the case made that Putin is a danger to Europe in the sense that the article was trying to convey.  It is important for Ukraine to try to convince others falsely that Russia is a threat to all of Europe.  If they can, they stand a better chance of other nations trying to step in and fight for them.  To this point they have failed.


  The evidence is bearing out that Russia will fight to protect it's interests in Ukraine...that is not a bluff...so whoever intervenes will be assured a fight and possibly a fight without limits.   


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

How about funding extremist European parties?  What's that got to do with Ukraine?  Or the idea that if one speaks Russian, one is Russian and needs "defending"  (false, BTW).

[Gator]

I read the link. ....It is important for Ukraine to try to convince others falsely that Russia is a threat to all of Europe. 

Although the piece was published in the Kiev rag, please note the author is a noted French philosopher, a supporter of the European project, and in this piece critical of his own country.  From Wiki, "The Jerusalem Post named Lévy 45th on a list of the world's 50 most influential Jews." 

So you believe your opinion is better founded than that of this intellectual?   I advised you before to consider both the author and the substance of what you read.

  The evidence is bearing out that Russia will fight to protect it's interests in Ukraine...that is not a bluff...so whoever intervenes will be assured a fight and possibly a fight without limits. 

 

Quite possibly the Ukrainian conflict is merely Putin's tuneup for the big one.  Putin wants the world to know that he will never back down, so the world better back off and give the ferocious bear what the bear wants.   Chicken Littles of the world such as you will indeed run from Putin and hide.

[JayH]

Here is how it will work (aircraft).


They supposedly dust off some Su25 in a museum somewhere. Somehow they can magically retrofit all new upgrades. Suddenly it becomes a Su27. Then somehow that SU27 is transformed into a SU35...


Supposedly there was one Su25 and oneL-29 (trainer) in Lugansk in a museum. To bring one of these operationally ready after sitting in a museum is almost impossible to do without MAJOR work and MAJOR support from Russia. I will follow this very closely. My formal education was as an aeronautical engineer from probably the best university in the world for this. In addition I have military combat experience as a pilot.


I am not some shmuck you can feed me a bunch of BS about this and I'll believe it. This is all total BS and only a ruse for the most gullible of idiots (or only those that want to believe this is possible) so that Russia can now be actively involved in being able to bomb civilians rather than just murder them with Grad rocket attacks.

No.  ATO denies a plane has been involved against them.

I quoted source here on forum over a week ago on this report-- and the denial.

My guess--planted report to explain the appearance of aircraft in due course.Suddenly-- a whole airforce will materialise!!
It is an obvious reason for Kyiv to be quick to discount the report.

[fathertime]

Quite possibly the Ukrainian conflict is merely Putin's tuneup for the big one.  Putin wants the world to know that he will never back down, so the world better back off and give the ferocious bear what the bear wants.   Chicken Littles of the world such as you will indeed run from Putin and hide.

Let's see here. In the same paragraph you called me chicken little AND you said this is possibly a tuneup for Putin's big one...sounds a little confused as usual!   


Fathertime! 

[Boethius]

How Russian troops entered Donbas -
 
http://ukrainianweek.com/Society/128451

[lordtiberius]

Although the piece was published in the Kiev rag, please note the author is a noted French philosopher, a supporter of the European project, and in this piece critical of his own country.  From Wiki, "The Jerusalem Post named Lévy 45th on a list of the world's 50 most influential Jews." 

So you believe your opinion is better founded than that of this intellectual?   I advised you before to consider both the author and the substance of what you read.


 

Quite possibly the Ukrainian conflict is merely Putin's tuneup for the big one.  Putin wants the world to know that he will never back down, so the world better back off and give the ferocious bear what the bear wants.   Chicken Littles of the world such as you will indeed run from Putin and hide.

Antisemitism is OK on the forum now?

[Boethius]

Where is the anti-Semitism? 

[lordtiberius]

Gator didn't dismiss the author based on his religion?

[Boethius]

No.  He thought the article was good, and pointed out that Bernard-Levi is considered one of the world's most influential Jewish intellectuals. 
 
Although he is Jewish, anytime I've heard Bernard-Levi speak, I've had the impression he considers himself French.
 

[Muzh]

Gator didn't dismiss the author based on his religion?

Step away from the keyboard.

[Muzh]

No.  He thought the article was good, and pointed out that Bernard-Levi is considered one of the world's most influential Jewish intellectuals. 
 
Although he is Jewish, anytime I've heard Bernard-Levi speak, I've had the impression he considers himself French.

Same here. 

[Gator]

Let's see here. In the same paragraph you called me chicken little AND you said this is possibly a tuneup for Putin's big one...sounds a little confused as usual!   

This is painful.  Yes, you are correct; I messed up.

It reads correctly if I had called you a chicken-hearted coward rather than Chicken Little. 

You feel better?  Now take your Gold Star and put it on the door to your fridge. 

[AkMike]

 

[fathertime]

This is painful.  Yes, you are correct; I messed up.

It reads correctly if I had called you a chicken-hearted coward rather than Chicken Little. 

You feel better?  Now take your Gold Star and put it on the door to your fridge.

Yes you did mess up!


I'm delighted to see that the old man is upset and name-calling yet again over a difference in opinion.  Now to the point, I continue to see no value in sending first  'defensive' weapons, then genuine 'offensive' weapons...then 'advisers' then troops into Ukraine and parts beyond....I see that as stupidity and not in our own best interests, or the world's. 
You may keep my gold star as a reminder of your many missteps. 




Fathertime!   

[Gator]

You may keep my gold star as a reminder of your many missteps. 

Many?  Just one with you (but don't talk to my wife).  Yet, my one mistake is one more than you because you have never admitted to being wrong.