if you feel "alienated" in the country of your birth
multiply that feeling by 100 and that's how you will feel in Russia
and you will have to cope with 100 problems you won't have to cope with in the UK
We have exchanged countless photos and talked about each others lives, she has no desire to live outside of Russia has a great job which she loves and in her words is just lonely. She has asked for my mobile number and has promised to call over the weekend and wants for us to meet in person and I just wanted to ask some of you who have been doing this for some time now can you see any potential pit falls ahead of me that I am being blinded by other than the obvious lack of physical chemistry when we do eventually meet.
Thanks for reading my ramble and I hope to hear from people soon
yes, however be aware of "first letter syndrome"....
"and getting "over-invested" even if it's not a good fit...
:welcome: MarcOur resident expert[/b] is dishing out ‘advice’.
Where abouts in Russia is your lady from?
It sounds like you would consider living wherever it is though you have not been yet. Most women in their 40s are past the age the scamming industry find useful, so she's probably ok.
I would say take a visit to see her after you have Skyped. Use it as a holiday and get to know about of Russia hopefully with your lady's help in showing you around. There's no telling if there is chemistry till you meet so no need to get to wrapped up in plans now on that. If you meet and there is no chemistry then it's all a lot of concern over moving to another country for nothing, unless you later find another girl of course.
As to the thread title I would say it is quite easy to find women in Russia, Ukraine, etc who are friendly and feminine who will message a guy a lot, so it's not that lucky. It's far more lucky to find that there is natural chemistry with the girl you have been messaging/skyping when you land and meet her. Now that would be lucky to get first time, a guy occasionally does but most don't and that's not so great when that happens.
I think just arriving in another country you have not visited before can be enough of a culture shock. I found it took several visits and often a few days into visits before I got acclimatised. Learning a bit of spoken Russian can be handy to help feel a bit more at ease in the culture though that tends to take time as I am finding. Also think about how you are going to support yourself out in Russia. Good luck.
Most women in their 40s are past the age the scamming industry find useful, so she's probably ok.
I would say take a visit to see her after you have Skyped.
Generalisation without any experience #1 ..Marc - do not listen to ANYTHING trench posts - he is clueless about FSU W and women in general ,,,
Howler #2 :
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Trench has been exposing how 'skyping beforehand is a waste of time', just recently ... So - once again - he is posting 'advice' - which conflicts with his own stance ..
Trench - why are you 'advising' Marc when you are crap at this game ?
It depends on what method you are using on whether to Skype. If it's a meet one then of course Skype as you don't want to go on a long journey where Skype might have proven it needless as you didn't get on as well in conversation as in messaging, or the girl looks ugly than in her photos or whatever. If he was was going out to meet many women then unless he has much time on his hands it's a bit pointless as you're playing the numbers game to offset the ones that aren't all that great.
I would not say I'm crap at this game. Some guys go in wallet waving and then pronounce good they are at it when chicks readily take them up. Other guys are just looking for a companion in their old age, nothing wrong with that but the task is a more simple one.
Sorry been busy but thanks for most of the advice so far and here is an update, after messaging eachother every day and the exchange of several videos of special occasions such as a friends wedding she attended last weekend she has just said she would love to come over to England in 3 weeks time to meet me....I am obviously thrilled with this development so sorry for the negativity but this is really good right !!!
...she has just said she would love to come over to England in 3 weeks time to meet me....I am obviously thrilled with this development so sorry for the negativity but this is really good right !!!
Sorry been busy but thanks for most of the advice so far and here is an update, after messaging eachother every day and the exchange of several videos of special occasions such as a friends wedding she attended last weekend she has just said she would love to come over to England in 3 weeks time to meet me....I am obviously thrilled with this development so sorry for the negativity but this is really good right !!!
Sent a pm, it is very hard bordering on impossible to get a Russian tourist visa for a lot of our countries atm..... even with the best credentials. I found this out the hard way a year ago.That's the problem of countries where you need a visa any times.
I was only talking to “k” and a member about this tonight. It’s Rediculous that you basically have to get engaged or married before a women can set foot in your country.
That's the problem of countries where you need a visa any times.
THat was Ukraine was before, especially if your embassy was pressing the brake for every files.
So that was a constant hassle to get the visa, knowing that some women would be denied for the first one, an after good luck, better to change of women.
It's why the random contacts girls first, set an online chemistry, put your foot in her city don't work at the end.
It's better to have a strategy and to stick on it.
For me that's simple, having gone through multiple visas as a huge burden before my marriage, it's no longer that i want to live again such hassle (ex wifey made 7 trips 2x500 kilometers to go to the embassy if i have good memory), it tells you that she was sharing her part of the burden (and more than me at this time).
So women from Russia, no. Women from Donetsk, Lugansk, Crimea, NO.
As Mendy said, choose a city you like not too big, not too small and if you cannot find a lady in a half or million city, it says more about your dating problems than international dating problems.
And the european 90/180 visa working now for more than a year and half is just opening a LOT of possibilities.
That's simply why in Ukraine air traffic is so booming.
In your opinion would a denied tourist visa cause issues when you apply for a spouse visa?Absolutely, embassy could think that this lady uses a dishonest way to enter in the country, something like this. Or she asked a type of visa but tried to trick the authorities.
If Marc gives this a go, is it better that he is a sponsor of the visa or distances himself totally from it?, given they are essentially strangers.
I suspect being a sponsor didn’t help my situation.
James that was the initial plan for me to go out mid june but she suddenly flipped it and proposed coming to me , she has 3 weeks left to work and then she has 30 days vacation...I think the timeframe is do-able but I am guessing she will state she is going to stay with me but I still think her application will be rejected and its back to plan a lol
..3 weeks left to work and then she has 30 days vacation...... she will state she is going to stay with me but I still think her application will be rejected...I know nothing about UK regs but US regs? Would never fly. Esp if stating "going to stay with you." [without absolute proof of return] There is no mention of a previous marriage...children? [grown?] Hometown? Occupation? Anyway...with the expressed statement that this lady wishes not to leave Russia *forever and you just want to vacation and hang out...I would suggest a neutral location [wasn't Spain mentioned?] Germany or Poland is great if do-able. Keep posting.
Sorry been busy but thanks for most of the advice so far and here is an update, after messaging eachother every day and the exchange of several videos of special occasions such as a friends wedding she attended last weekend she has just said she would love to come over to England in 3 weeks time to meet me....I am obviously thrilled with this development so sorry for the negativity but this is really good right !!!
she cant afford to buy a new mobile phone so we can keep in touch but can afford to travel to the uk for 30 days ...no ta plus she is already starting to hint at the cost, nope im out lol
tfcrew...she is divorced with one grown child who is married, she has worked as a sports coach for 20 plus years and lives in Votkinsk and has never really expressed an interest in leaving Russia but I have never pressed her on it as she loves her job and family
she cant afford to buy a new mobile phone so we can keep in touch but can afford to travel to the uk for 30 days ...no ta plus she is already starting to hint at the cost, nope im out lol
Scam alert
A every Russian woman has a smart phone. A 16 year old girl who lives in a hut
made out of mud, twigs and walrus hides has a smart phone.
... would recommend the fdating website too, it's free and an easy one to just jump into and get going with ...
Sorry TC but you are an old skinflint! A monthly membership on a typical international dating site is fairly inexpensive compared with the overall costs of this game. My own experience was spending about $100 over 3 months and meeting my wife. Success rather than skinflintery should be TC's primary aim!
Whilst I think Marc had encountered a lady who considered him a 'mark', I know a few
Russian ladies who still don't have smart phones..
But they are of that generation who do not use the net and the international dating scene...
Not the typical I know, but . . .
My wife did not have a Smart Phone until 2 years ago.
And her Mother in Ukraine does not have a Smart Phone.
Wife still did not really need a Smart Phone, but some relatives she wanted to talk on phone with started using Viber a lot. So we got her the Smart Phone just for that purpose. She doesn't even give out her mobile phone number to people here in USA, except me.
Now we are talking about her taking a Smart Phone to Ukraine for her Mother; again just for the purpose of talking on Viber.
And just for the record, wife knows several women in Ukraine, even those younger than 40, who do not have a Smart Phone.
Actually I think most of those who have Smart Phones (everywhere in world) are not too smart.
I still have my flip phone and only use it when I am away from the house to call wife to tell her where I am and when I will return. I haven't given out the number to anyone else.
Not the typical I know, but . . .
She doesn't make excuses
she overcomes them. She can't translate something then she finds somebody
who can and braids their hair, bakes them a cake or watches their kids or
something in exchange. She doesn't complain, make excuses or ask for
money.
When a man finds a Hottie and suddenly there are difficulties, obstacles
and excuses then he needs to dump her and find a good girl.
Any girl who says she can't chat with you because she doesn't have a smart
phone is lying. If she didn't have a smart phone, she would propose a solution
that didn't require a smart phone.
It is for checking if you are a generous=caring=potential 'hunter' who can bring a mamooth to the cave.
Hello gentlemen. Excuse me for interrupting this topic, I want to explain why some women do complain, or ask for a new phone/flowers/ or something like that. Sounds stipud, but not all women who asks you that are bad women, they just want to see if you are ready to do something real 'to help' her by your actions. So once you talk for a long time and both looking for serious relationship be ready for this test. It is for checking if you are a generous=caring=potential 'hunter' who can bring a mamooth to the cave. As you know it is an old-style thing in partiarchy countries when a man can actually solve any issue. Nobody wants mean or unable-to-help husband...
So if you wanted a traditional woman - be ready for help her to show that you are what she is looking for.
P.S. of course dont be silly and not send her money if you never met each other before.
Everyday me defeat saber tooth tigers, fight cavemen to get them off me territory, and bring home a mammoth for me wife...to cook for me! Me need a lot of energy to fight off those beasts and because me win a lot, me get all the girls.Your wife must be happy woman :thumbsup: also we all dream about big frying pan to cook a mammoth :D
Never? What if you are meeting her for the first time in a city other than her home? She has travel expenses.
Hello gentlemen. Excuse me for interrupting this topic, I want to explain why some women do complain, or ask for a new phone/flowers/ or something like that. Sounds stupid, . . .
Your wife must be happy woman :thumbsup: also we all dream about big frying pan to cook a mammoth :D
Big cast iron frying pan makes a good clue bat for the thick skulls on forums.Here a more humane use is to roast chestnuts ;D.
Here a more humane use is to roast chestnuts ;D.(http://cdn.ilclubdellericette.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/caldarroste-728x486.jpg)
That's not where you roast chestnuts.
Haven't you listened carefully to the song?
Your wife must be happy woman :thumbsup: also we all dream about big frying pan to cook a mammoth :D