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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 18, 2020, 02:51:05 AM
Virus or not, you don't even try to get dates.  That's why you itch. Some say one can go blind as well.  Hire-a-bonk is not really dating.

I know how to get things done on the FSU dating front now BC, working out how it all worked took a while but even then I did get a few dates. Unfortunately the virus intervened just about as I was about to make a move. It's been frustrating to not be able to get out there but I'm hoping in July or August things might have improved enough to allow it.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BC on May 18, 2020, 04:02:42 AM
I know how to get things done on the FSU dating front now BC, working out how it all worked took a while but even then I did get a few dates. Unfortunately the virus intervened just about as I was about to make a move. It's been frustrating to not be able to get out there but I'm hoping in July or August things might have improved enough to allow it.

Oh.. I thought you meant dating locally.  Unless you're meeting women in FSU without assistance, it's pretty much an 'arranged meeting' and not really dating.  Of course, such a meeting could lead to further 'real' dates.

Anyhoo, good luck.  Would be nice to see you post actual experiences vs misogynistic hypotheses for a change.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 18, 2020, 04:24:18 AM
Oh.. I thought you meant dating locally.  Unless you're meeting women there without assistance, it's pretty much an 'arranged meeting' and not really dating.  Of course, such a meeting could lead to further 'real' dates.

Anyhoo, good luck.  Would be nice to see you post actual experiences vs misogynistic hypotheses for a change.

Ayyee!

You quoted Trench, BC ;)

He HAS posted his 'TR's'...  a lass from Kherson who was pushing him for gifts to get her into the UK ... (or so Trench claims ) ...  By his own admission, he doesn't earn enough to import a FSU partner .. So he was wasting her time, anyway..  or falsely declaring his income..

He 'doesn't' want to date, locally as they are are fatties and claiming welfare where he lives, or ... they are 'entitled good looking women seeking a 'successful guy' ..

Trench STILL doesn't get that HE( his misogyny)  is the issue .. he is a sociopath.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 18, 2020, 06:37:43 AM
Oh.. I thought you meant dating locally.  Unless you're meeting women in FSU without assistance, it's pretty much an 'arranged meeting' and not really dating.  Of course, such a meeting could lead to further 'real' dates.

Anyhoo, good luck.  Would be nice to see you post actual experiences vs misogynistic hypotheses for a change.

I've recalled my experiences quite a number of times here before but I'll briefly reiterate here if only to serve as a break from Coronavirus talk.

First girl I met was in Kiev, but she was from Mariupol at the time and still near the conflict zone. We met on EM and messaged and Skyped beforehand, she was a beautiful girl and friendly. We spent the week together in Kiev, we got on well but there was no chemistry and she was into Theatre, Opera, Orchestra which I am not, I don't mind going just to see what it's like but it's not something I'm into, still an enjoyable time was had. She spoke virtually perfect English from her time at Uni.

Second time I went to Odessa, I spent a couple of days holiday time there by myself as that was where the plane lands to see what it was like. My reason for going was to meet a girl in Nikoleav so after a couple of days in Odessa I went to Nikolaev to meet here by bus. I had just written to her as at the time I just wanted to explore Ukraine more so I guess I just wanted an excuse to get out there and who knows. She looked pretty in her photo but when we met her facial skin was a bit pimply which didn't show in the photos, she still wasn't too bad looking other than that though and wore a nice dress. Anyway we had a meal together but it didn't last that long, we chatted a bit, but she spoke hardly any English, I spoke hardly any Russian and I didn't realise at the time my Russian was worse than I thought it was. That I have since worked  on, still much to do but I can speak and understand a few basic words and phrases now, still far, far off fluent or any great vocabulary knowledge though to understand a full on Russian conversation or phrase. Anyway, she made her excuses to be elsewhere following the meal, that wasn't a great result for me and I was not in a great mood at the time. However you can't get every girl is the way I see it so lesson learned I moved on. I spent the final couple of days or so getting to know the culture better.

Third girl was 'Kherson Girl' we met in Kiev but she was from Kherson, she was beautiful also, and yes I twice made the mistake of not visiting a girl in her home town. Still I enjoyed the time we had and I guess she did too. She had a tendancy for clothing though, shopping in general, not the real top of the range stuff but mid range stuff that would all add up, £50-80 direction. I managed to excuse myself from most off her wants but bought her a few things to be nice. She was intimate with me and seemed into me so I agreed to go on holiday with her abroad, I chose that place to be Cyprus. In Cyprus she was even worse with wanting stuff, I don't believe she was scamming me it was really more because she was into clothes fashion as it's a real big thing for some women. Anyway, I should have handled it better but didn't know how to at the time and gave in a fair bit to be nice to her. We had a good time but long story short though she was a stubborn type and couldn't accept that I could not get her a tourist visa to see me in the UK. She accused me of being a married man and hence didn't want her to come, etc. Main take away is that I made many mistakes, if I had not done so maybe the relationship would of lasted or maybe there wouldn't have been any relationship as fairly short as it was.

The last girl I saw about a year and a half ago was in Minsk, she lived there but I never saw where, Belarus women can be more cautious, I don't have a problem with that and never pressed to see her home, etc. I met her in a restaurant just off the main big square, they were having some military comemoration thing on at the time that was just finishing. She was nice enough looking and neatly turned out however again I could tell there was no attraction. We talked and had lunch then walked around Gorky Park and went on the Ferris Wheel. Everything about her was the opposite of me so I knew it was going nowhere. We talked and I called it off to save us both the trouble, she was content to show me around Minsk but I preferred to move on and check it out myself as I knew our opposite tastes would be frustrating for the both of us. I tried to contact other women but it was a bit late in the day/time too short. One would have met with me but was out of the city at the time.

Anyway, there we have it BC, it's a very brief synopsis for you. Its been quite a journey so far, I've learned a lot about women, the world and me along the way and some members of this forum such as 2tallbill, BillyB and Krimster amiung others have given me some great help and advice. I now think I have cracked it as to how to go about this, I'm not saying I will be successful but I think I know how to do it better is than I did before. Coronavirus is a fly in the ointment though if we can generally be shot off it by July/August time then it may not have been a problem. Other than that I am either doing Winter dating in the FSU, up to now one I have preferred to avoid or resume dating next year assuming we are not having the same problem this winter or next year of course, etc.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on May 18, 2020, 07:33:44 AM
Trench, apart from some obvious mistakes you did not do too bad. You can not expect to hit the jackpot one one try, especially if your skills at home are not on a high level.While you may have already cracked it, let me give you my tips.1. Take short trips. You are just a couple of hours away, meaning you can plan a first date over a weekend, no need for long lasting stays.2. Be decisive. You know already meeting in person is the most important part.3. Plan where you stay and how long, the rest is up to the woman you visit. You are not visiting a tour guide your objective is to get to know a person. The more she lets you in to her life, the better.
4. Understand the signals. If planned friends or family suddenly becomes unavailable understand why.5. Have  plan. First meeting is ok?  Then plan a second more extended meeting to see if you can live with each other. Try not to make it a vacation, as close to everyday life as you can. Meanwhile find out how to make her arrive to you and explain which steps are needed and the time plan.
You might need several more first dates depending on your skill to pre-select the right woman. Do not go for someone who does not like her country or life, it is a sign that she will trade up whenever possible.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 18, 2020, 09:22:46 AM
Trench, apart from some obvious mistakes you did not do too bad. You can not expect to hit the jackpot one one try, especially if your skills at home are not on a high level.While you may have already cracked it, let me give you my tips.1. Take short trips. You are just a couple of hours away, meaning you can plan a first date over a weekend, no need for long lasting stays.2. Be decisive. You know already meeting in person is the most important part.3. Plan where you stay and how long, the rest is up to the woman you visit. You are not visiting a tour guide your objective is to get to know a person. The more she lets you in to her life, the better.
4. Understand the signals. If planned friends or family suddenly becomes unavailable understand why.5. Have  plan. First meeting is ok?  Then plan a second more extended meeting to see if you can live with each other. Try not to make it a vacation, as close to everyday life as you can. Meanwhile find out how to make her arrive to you and explain which steps are needed and the time plan.
You might need several more first dates depending on your skill to pre-select the right woman. Do not go for someone who does not like her country or life, it is a sign that she will trade up whenever possible.

Thanks Shadow I appreciate your kind words :) Yeah a lot of that I found out along the way, would have been handy to know at the beginning, some of it was probably raised on here near the beginning in various threads but I think some it takes some experiencing to really get an idea why it is the thing to do or not do. The point you make at the end is very important and one I have not heard yet but is indeed very valuable to know. The trade up situation I think happens to many men, they go over there think they have made it with a woman then after bringing her back she moves on as soon as she becomes a permanent resident/citizen. Some women may intend to do that from the outset but many no doubt end up looking around them when they get to the guys country and notice better options than the guy they are with. If there are guys that are better looking, better homes, better cars, better social skills/lives, better wealth, etc, etc I can see that that would be very enticing to a girl who has already seemed to trade up & out of Ukraine or wherever for a better life, that she could keep looking in that direction and if pretty enough etc can get it. I also know that there are many guys at home that wouldn't think twice about going after a pretty FSW after the hard work of bringing her into the country has been done.

I have also been working on myself this past year or so to try and look a better prospect. I realise that I can't just turn up as the person I am without certain things being turn offs that I up fairly recently haven't thought anything off it. So working out a bit in the gym even if I don't look like a full on muscle man and paying greater attention to the stuff I wear, things I do & say and the way I look, etc Looking at some of the guys that go on dating tours last night on You Tube I can see why some of them have problems. Some are fine of course (some are oldish of course) but some even as a guy I can see are unimpressive in look or stature, or behave in a little immature demeanor, etc.

Looking forward though my intention was always to gain an independent income for myself and spend longer out there. I'm not far off doing that now but barring that I sway more towards the meet many strategy and think I know how to go about achieving that better than I have in the past (forgot to mention Lviv in after Kherson girl but before Minsk girl, had a couple of one off dates there). The meet ones were good for gaining experience and finding out about the FSU and culture but it's pretty hit & miss. I did a short weekend trip for the Minsk date but Ukraine is really only where it becomes heap enough for me to use that strategy due to low cost budget flights and greater hotel/apartment options. Otherwise I think I would prefer a meet many situation over a few days or so with probably one meet a day as anything more could get tricky.

So how did you end up in the FSU scene Shadow?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: GenMish on May 18, 2020, 09:36:44 AM
I've recalled my experiences quite a number of times here before but I'll briefly reiterate here if only to serve as a break from Coronavirus talk.

First girl I met was in Kiev, but she was from Mariupol at the time and still near the conflict zone. We met on EM and messaged and Skyped beforehand, she was a beautiful girl and friendly. We spent the week together in Kiev, we got on well but there was no chemistry and she was into Theatre, Opera, Orchestra which I am not, I don't mind going just to see what it's like but it's not something I'm into, still an enjoyable time was had. She spoke virtually perfect English from her time at Uni.

 

Interesting,
When I went to Russia in the early 90s I found all the quality girls were into Theatre, Opera, Orchestra. Since I didn't want a party girl, I accepted it even though I was woefully ignorant of the Arts. Over the years onnce I understood those Classic Arts, I learned how to appreciate them. I am very grateful to my RW (now my Ex) that she opened a whole world for me. She made me a better person in many ways, and that was just one.

So I guess Im saying, don't strike them off your list for that, benefit from it
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on May 18, 2020, 09:40:59 AM
I can appreciate all the fine arts except Opera.  Just can't get into it.  Best part is when the fat lady sings.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 18, 2020, 03:48:57 PM
Interesting,
When I went to Russia in the early 90s I found all the quality girls were into Theatre, Opera, Orchestra. Since I didn't want a party girl, I accepted it even though I was woefully ignorant of the Arts. Over the years onnce I understood those Classic Arts, I learned how to appreciate them. I am very grateful to my RW (now my Ex) that she opened a whole world for me. She made me a better person in many ways, and that was just one.

So I guess Im saying, don't strike them off your list for that, benefit from it

Yeah I can see for sure you'll avoid a Party girl with an Arts girl. I don't mind going on the odd occasion, it can be surprising to see how high those ballet dancers can jump & move about, some theatre shows in English at home I can get into a little and follow, orchestra I don't mind as I can relax away, opera so find harder to follow. However, all in all its no really something I would enjoy usually, regularly, it's not really my world or ever has been and not likely will be. I do tend to think it really tends to be more a certain type of person that gets off on all of that stuff and I just don't in the main.

I've no problem with seeing it once as it's kind of synonymous with Kiev and Ukraine in general. However I wouldn't really want to feel like a fraud to a woman by making out I'm into it while I'm not so, I would kind of feel like being an imposter of someone who I am not. When in Lviv I was messaging a woman who was into orchestra and the like, the messaging stopped when it quickly became apparent to both of us that we moved in separate worlds.

The girl I met in Minsk actually worked in a theatre and again we were the total opposites and that was a problem. Before we met I voiced my concerns but she denied we were different and instead thought we had stuff in common, I couldn't think what, lol.

For me I don't think those type of women suit me. The first girl I met wasn't a total opposite she was quite refined and we got on well enough but I found her a bit too stiff in terms of relaxing with a guy and just getting into a relationship. It was like there was a long term plan to follow of patiently waiting with little to no action before if and only if the winds were blowing in the right direction then you might just get access to some sort of a relationship. So yes you can get a good girl I agree but I don't reckon that type of good girl would ever suit me.

In a side note we did go to a Jazz Club in Kiev and I enjoyed the Jazz Music their immensely but that was more like a night club type of setting.

On the other side of the coin there are party girls. An all out party girl wouldn't suit me I'm not that far out for that. I know also that they can be bad girls, however some girls with a slight party vent can be fun to be with and some like all sorts of fun stuff so not necessarily nightclubbing.

In general it's difficult to know, I have a better idea of where to get a stable girl now other than Arts girls but stable girls can sometimes be too stable and lacking in something maybe. My bet bet for the moment would be to venture forth to date some more women in a meet many situation once this virus thing allows if possible I think.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on May 18, 2020, 04:48:59 PM
Would be nice to see you post actual experiences vs misogynistic hypotheses for a change.

+1
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 19, 2020, 01:56:57 AM
+1

I believe you were party to misogynistic hypotheses recently too Bill ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on May 19, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
Trenchcoat while it my be something you wanted to do anyway, do not change yourself just for catching a woman. Understand that your life partner will have o live with your worst habits, not you on your best behaviour unless you can keep it up forever.
My history is somewhere here as I at the wime wrote some reports.To make it short, after the rest of the world I decided why not try the FSU as well. First trip to Kiev got me a friend, not enough chemistry from both sides. But we were close enough to exchange profiles, comment on them and search profiles for each other.One of those was in Moscow, and a weekend trip later the future MrsShadow was met. That was in 2005, when things were a lot different from today, but the basic things never change, just the amount of ways to exchange thoughts before the trip has increased a lot.This year we are together for 15 years, and married for 12 thanks to the laws in the Netherlands that allow the same rights for married and unmarried partners.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 20, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
Trenchcoat while it my be something you wanted to do anyway, do not change yourself just for catching a woman. Understand that your life partner will have o live with your worst habits, not you on your best behaviour unless you can keep it up forever.
My history is somewhere here as I at the wime wrote some reports.To make it short, after the rest of the world I decided why not try the FSU as well. First trip to Kiev got me a friend, not enough chemistry from both sides. But we were close enough to exchange profiles, comment on them and search profiles for each other.One of those was in Moscow, and a weekend trip later the future MrsShadow was met. That was in 2005, when things were a lot different from today, but the basic things never change, just the amount of ways to exchange thoughts before the trip has increased a lot.This year we are together for 15 years, and married for 12 thanks to the laws in the Netherlands that allow the same rights for married and unmarried partners.

Thanks for sharing your story Shadow, it's an interesting way to go about it, were you able to sort out a partner for your friend as well using that method?

Well I know what you mean, I think any changes have to be compatible with me and something I can maintain. I don't mind changes so long as they seem reasonable and improve me. I guess there is more than one way of looking at it all.

If I wasn't too fussed over the type of girl  then changes wouldn't really be necessary to a point. A lot of pretty girls though will probably be looking for a guy that looks reasonably impressive. If a guy looked like he was from the other end of the spectrum realistically he probably isn't going to last long.

Last year I had laser eye surgery done (LASEK), the results were and still are amazing and I'm glad to get rid of those damn glasses I had to start wearing from when I was around 15/16. I probably look better for it as well as for most people I think it's rarely a good look.

Since then I have been working out though that's been put on hold a little due to the lockdown and some problems coming up. That's over with now (I hope) so I should be able to get back to it at home with some gym equipment I've bought in.

That said I know there is only so far I can go with it. I don't think surgery would help me out as I would likely end up looking weird and it costing me a lot. I think in general I will have to press on as an everyday looking guy. What I have been looking into is some permanent fillers but it looks like that's best done in the US as the market is totally unregulated in the UK and bad stories are abound. I'm in my early forties but there are of course signs of ageing and they rarely look good. I don't want to kid myself and be one of those guys where some pretty youngish (say late twenties/early thirties) girl hangs out with me and I'm looking a state and past it. It can be why the joke can be on the guy and he gets had over by younger girls.

At the moment though I need to concentrate on building up my finances and situation to be (hopefully) well placed by the time I get back over there.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on May 21, 2020, 01:36:26 AM
I nmanaged to gt hr out of being interested in a guy that only needed a place for his business trips, and th next guy was the jackpot for her.The thing is that someone who can look at you sideways often manages to find a better match.
So let me inform you about the mind of a woman, even though I do not claim to be an expert here.  What does a (pretty) woman look for?
Pretty women will not be that impressed by looks or money. They can use it, especially if they hae a character that allows them to. But any pretty woman has enough good looking men interest as well as mn throwing money at her. Being one of them will not get you a lot further than sharing some intimate moment.What you need to offer is stability and a comfortable future. Remember afte some tim she will only be as pretty as hr mother and grandmother, which means your bond should by then not be based on looks alone.Impress her by showing you are reliable and smart enough to build a future with. Be aware tat you will need to guide her while adjusting to a new country, and with FSU women you should not expect her to be your main income or retirement plan. You are the one making decisions, you are the provider and  alpha in your family. You should earn and keep her respect, else you may end up with having to start over.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 21, 2020, 02:57:19 AM
Be aware tat you will need to guide her while adjusting to a new country, and with FSU women you should not expect her to be your main income or retirement plan. You are the one making decisions, you are the provider and  alpha in your family. You should earn and keep her respect, else you may end up with having to start over.

BANG ON
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 21, 2020, 01:30:15 PM
I nmanaged to gt hr out of being interested in a guy that only needed a place for his business trips, and th next guy was the jackpot for her.The thing is that someone who can look at you sideways often manages to find a better match.
So let me inform you about the mind of a woman, even though I do not claim to be an expert here.  What does a (pretty) woman look for?
Pretty women will not be that impressed by looks or money. They can use it, especially if they hae a character that allows them to. But any pretty woman has enough good looking men interest as well as mn throwing money at her. Being one of them will not get you a lot further than sharing some intimate moment.What you need to offer is stability and a comfortable future. Remember afte some tim she will only be as pretty as hr mother and grandmother, which means your bond should by then not be based on looks alone.Impress her by showing you are reliable and smart enough to build a future with. Be aware tat you will need to guide her while adjusting to a new country, and with FSU women you should not expect her to be your main income or retirement plan. You are the one making decisions, you are the provider and  alpha in your family. You should earn and keep her respect, else you may end up with having to start over.

I see your point Shadow, that someone else can see the way that most others are likely to perceive you/I. Whereas it's not always easy to be introspective and see everything that others see. That they may see where two people are likely to fit together well personality wise, etc. It could be an interesting way forward on this. Someone who comes across as decent and reliable but not in love may be a better matchmaker than a partner.

Well my original idea was that after learning the language a bit the girl could take on a part time job and she could keep that money to pay for anything she wanted, clothes etc. The Kherson girl rejected this, she was willing to have children but apparently the money earning was solely to be down to me with her spending it, lol. Since then though I have come around to the idea of a girl not working, if she does the domestic stuff then her having a part time job might be more trouble than it's worth. In the UK a lot of stuff is on the state, healthcare, dentistry for kids, education, etc so I could probably manage ok with it. The Kherson girl was basically model like, capable of scores of a good 9 on photofeeler on some of her photos. I think any guy would have big hang ups of her straying and other guys on the pick up. It basically broke down though as she wouldn't accept that as a young girl in a low paid job I couldn't get her a tourist visa. She wanted to come to the UK first and refused to see me in her hometown of Kherson until she visited me first.

I didn't take that as a good sign, I tried to find other compromises like another country but she wouldn't accept that. It was all a bit perculiar really I never really could work out if she was being true or not. There were signs that she was into the prospect of a relationship with me, stuff she said, etc that I don't think a girl just after a guy to buy her stuff would have said. I think her main problem was that she was too stubborn in her ways and I made mistakes in handling her.

I've no doubt guys with money & good looks would be lining up to date her in this country. She even had a few 'I would date her' comments on her photos on photofeeler. I thought yeah that sounds about right, lol. I think you could be quite right though Shadow a girl that knows she can rely on you, that you can consistently provide and lead the way may be more comforting to her to a good looking or wealthy guy that can only offer that one thing.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on May 21, 2020, 01:39:13 PM
While I did not read all details, you should be happy you dropped the Kherson girl. Any girl that prefers to travel abroad with you before meeting where her friends and family can meet you is likely not ever going to let you meet them. You might be a guy she likes enough to spend some time with, but not for keeping.Her reactions show tat she has either been damaged or is used to play the games.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 21, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
While I did not read all details, you should be happy you dropped the Kherson girl. Any girl that prefers to travel abroad with you before meeting where her friends and family can meet you is likely not ever going to let you meet them. You might be a guy she likes enough to spend some time with, but not for keeping.Her reactions show tat she has either been damaged or is used to play the games.

Yeah that's what I thought that I would probably unlikely meet her/her family's in Kherson even after she came to see me in the UK (not that, that was possible due to visa regs of course). She accused me of having a family and being a married man, etc. In fairness I had not yet shown her photos of my house (it's a small terrace) which she had asked to see but in total we had only spent two weeks together and I never thought it a big deal but perhaps she read into it thinking I was married, I told her I was single and not married but she wouldn't accept it.

So I wonder if she is damaged goods having been hurt by previous relationships. The only previous relationship she told me about was with a single Swedish guy who had a couple of kids. All she said about him was that he treated her like a child, lol. I wonder how that all went down.

On all her social media she has many photos of herself, her with other girls, her friends presumably but none of other guys anywhere. I've heard that FSW don't really have male friends, they are either dating them or it's just girl friends. I know she made a comment on one of her social media about preferring to keep her relationship life private. In the past year or so she has not posted any new photos which is kind of strange. I know she is still going but for a very pretty girl she definitely seems a strange one. I struggle to work her out.

She apparently lives in a small two room flat sharing it with her older brother and his other half who also has a kid. She showed me photos of them but no sign of them on social media at all or any other of her family, mother or father. She's on VK, Facebook, Instagram & OK, but pretty much the same stuff on each. I can't really fathom why such a pretty girl is (presumably) still single. I know it's a poor area and she may have high hopes but I would have thought one guy would have taken her on and she find him acceptable enough. I wonder though if a lot of guys pass over on her seeing her as too high maintenance and prefer to settle with a girl that they see as more suitable/serious for setting up a family with in terms of being less strain of finances.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 21, 2020, 10:57:14 PM
While I did not read all details, you should be happy you dropped the Kherson girl. Any girl that prefers to travel abroad with you before meeting where her friends and family can meet you is likely not ever going to let you meet them. You might be a guy she likes enough to spend some time with, but not for keeping.Her reactions show tat she has either been damaged or is used to play the games.

'OK'..

I invited V to Cyprus in December, because we were having unseasonably good weather and she came from Siberia .. I paid for the ticket.

Remarkably, she invited  me back to Siberia in February ..

Gosh, we even married ..


I believe you might be suggesting paying for holidays to exotic locations for a first meeting ... with which I'd tend to agree is not a good plan ... 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 21, 2020, 11:56:56 PM
Second meet Mobers, I went with her to Cyprus for the second meet, the first meet was in Kiev, unless you're suggesting Kiev is exotic ;D

I should of gone to her hometown first and foremost, mistake done.

However, the hang up I'm left with is why is a model looking girl not able to get a local guy?

She's in her late twenties now and it still looks like she isn't in a permanent relationship with someone, i.e Married. That is very perculiar to me. I'm sure if she was married that would be all over her social media pages.

I've thought a lot on this and I've come to the conclusion that she is with local guys the same as she was with me. That she demands stuff, keeps in bugging them for it, they at some point refuse to buy her anymore stuff and the relationship descends into argument and ends quickly because of it. She is a shop worker girl that only earns around $150-180 ish a month or so I am told. So low paid and so looks to guys to buy her the stuff she craves. I know Krimster told us before that he found pretty much each girl he met had a weakness for something, hers I believe is clothes.

So she doesn't earn enough to move elsewhere. She just earns enough to pay for her food extra a month, so living from month to month, hand to mouth existence. I know the first girl I met in Kiev was telling me how she would like to move out of Mariupol to a better provincial city but it was money she didn't have, at least not at that time, she worked in a travel agency.

So anyway, I'm guessing apart from apparently long hours that she does at work she may have occasional short term relationships. That apart from the local relationships that don't work out that she may be has casual relationships where a guy will treat her for a bit, she gives him some and then they both move on, possibly.

Either way were probably talking of a lot of very short term relationships over a period of years that don't go nowhere. There's basically a lot of competition around from pretty girls that while might not be very pretty model like don't whine on incessantly at the guy to buy them stuff. Hence their relationships last, hers don't. She basically can't move off the need for wanting stuff as soon as she gets with a guy and that ruins the relationship. I don't think it's a thought pattern she can get away from and may not even realise that trying to hit a guy for stuff so early on that she is ruining the relationship. I would put this down to her kind of arbitary stubborn streak where she literally thinks 'Its the guy that is supposed to provide this' so hits him with it from the word go not accepting that it's not supposed to literally mean from the start of dating together. She probably wants to see a guy is good for it of course so again doesn't want to wait it out for a guy that may not be. She's a hot girl so figures she's worth it.


I think there we have it guys. I know in one of the vids I watched on You Tube a guy in Nikoleav was complaining how materialistic many if the women were that they are not wife material, he was of course not the most productive looking guy though. Anyway I'm pretty sure I've cracked it in my thought process there. The local guys don't see her as wife material because of her constant asking for stuff is incompatible with wanting a girl to have kids with as the money can't go on loads of clothes & stuff. So she is seen at best as a fun time girl and at worst and probably most often as an unwanted drain on finances that can't be kept up. I think the way she is and the rigidness which she applies the gender role models to suit her wants is why she keeps falling down.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on May 22, 2020, 01:05:50 AM
What you are forgetting is that you have only information of a very small portion of her life. What her life really is like you may have no idea at all. This is why it is important that you are let in to her everyday surroundings. FSUW are masters in hiding their reality and disclosing only on a need to know basis.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 22, 2020, 07:46:19 AM
What you are forgetting is that you have only information of a very small portion of her life. What her life really is like you may have no idea at all. This is why it is important that you are let in to her everyday surroundings. FSUW are masters in hiding their reality and disclosing only on a need to know basis.

I see you have gained much wisdom on the ways of FSW Shadow. She told me some stuff of her life and I saw a few photos of her brother, other half and their young son who she lived with in the two room flat. Her mother lived separate just a bit out of the city. She never showed me any photos of her mother or father though. I showed her some of my family, brother, mother I think. She told me she didn't really get in with her brother & especially not his other half. So I guess the situation in the flat was a bit too cosy for all concerned. She liked children though apparently and seemed to like their young son I think it was or possibly a daughter, 5ish maybe.

Anyway, I found it kind of perplexing that she was being so rigid on the way it all went down if her living situation wasn't all that great. I know when we agreed in Kiev what to do she asked me to promise, which I did, but I didn't read into it that it was a rigid process whereby I couldn't add anything in between like a visit to her. If a tourist visa was easy to get for her I would have done so, but it's virtually impossible for a young girl in low paid work and even trying would be much effort and more money. Seemed reasonable to come and see her first. I want expecting to see her family but she mentioned them so maybe it was an essential in her mind. I think she might not have been able to figure out why else I would want to visit. It could be that she had a very specific idea on how things would be done/progress and me other ideas.

Anyhow, the meeting in their own city certainly isn't a mistake I am willing to remake, just too much time & effort put in to just risk it all falling apart. I've learnt a lot from the experience, the character of some FSW, not as much as you of course but learning how they are can help avoid future mistakes I think.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 22, 2020, 09:18:47 AM
FSUW are masters in hiding their reality and disclosing only on a need to know basis.

Huh? We really are living in parallel Universes... I have yet to meet any FSUW who behaved in such manner.

May be your due diligence  or spicy senses needed tuning.

You clearly  had then set right re your good lady.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 22, 2020, 02:53:07 PM
Huh? We really are living in parallel Universes... I have yet to meet any FSUW who behaved in such manner.

May be your due diligence  or spicy senses needed tuning.

You clearly  had then set right re your good lady.

I think it's the case where it depends upon the FSW. The FSU is a vast territory, even Ukraine alone is fairly large and has the difference of west Ukrainians and east Ukrainians then everything in between.

Having read more into the history of Ukraine in recent times and the different tribes and ethnic groups that moved in over time people there can exhibit different attitudes and behaviours. Then of course there is the Soviet legacy and it's aftermath.

Having done some brief research into the various tribes & ethnic groups I believe Kherson girl could very likely have once come from a family of the Tartar ethnic group. Her look, attitude and behaviours tend to fit with those that are common to that ethnic group/tribe. She is of course not Islamic but instead Orthodox and she speaks Russian and identifies as Russian/Ukrainian Russian. She has a similar facial shape to a lot of tartar people. She is of white skin tone while tartar people can also be white but perhaps more often slightly swarthy in skin tone. Her hair like most tartar people is a rich dark brown. She has a colourful taste in clothing and is sensitive about her skin (fussy I would say ;) ) Similar again to tartar women often holding similar attitudes to sensitivities to skin and historically how they dressed is colourful clothing. She may not even realise it herself but I'm guessing that there is a strong chance she is descended from someone(s) who were originally tartar that or at the very least it became a learned way for many people around that area.

Tartar people are/were of course mainly in the nearby Crimea region and many lived there before Stalin deported them to the Asian part of the Soviet Union. Many Tartar girls seem to share the same features and I reckon are probably prettier than average on the whole. Unfortunately most girls that still identify as Tartar are part of the Islamic faith. That's not something I have any personal grudge against but I know it would not be a scene I would feel comfortable in so it's a no go for me.

I personally find the history of the Crimean Khanate facinating and the Mongol & Cossack, etc influence in that. It's certainly a rich history and gives the area and Ukraine in general it's own identity separate from Russia. I love seeing all the curious Cossack type of gear from olden times they used to wear and the hair stylings that went with it. It's quite a unique look.

Anyway kind of a shame that the Crimes area is now under Russian control and apparently suffering once again. Peace talks are up again but I don't know if they will come to much or involve Crimea. I've never visited there but would like to some day I think. Presently though I hear it's not the easiest place to go do dating, virus or not.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on May 22, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
Tatar, not Tartar. 


The rest of your post is absolute gibberish, with no basis in reality.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 22, 2020, 05:35:08 PM
Tatar, not Tartar. 


The rest of your post is absolute gibberish, with no basis in reality.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Well there kind of tarts so it goes better ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
Tatar, not Tartar. 

For some reason, it IS 'OK' in English to write 'Tartar'  .. I wish Sandro was around to confirm / correct but it derives from Tartaria , Latin.. 

The rest of your post is absolute gibberish, with no basis in reality.


What is bizarre, is that even when folks sometimes do not quote Trench, I still see of of his posts !!

I note he still writes excuses like someone needing to hit a word target for an essay .. I'd give him a D- for his argument and  content.

1/ It was POLICY of Imperial and Soviet Moscow to 'Russify' conquered territory and a lot of attitudes / customs from that 'Russification' are prevalent across the FSU.

2/ Nationalism and Identity of the former Soviet Republics has re-emerged and your Miss Kherson would not remember Soviet times, and would have been amongst the first to be taught Ukrainian history

3/ Many FSU folk  are an exotic mix of previous conquerors and may have palish skin, but if the sun hits, they often tan with ease. 


Trench is fixated by Miss Kherson and ignored all the advice given and here we are ( AGAIN ) with him drawing members who've not seen all this before into 'advising' him as to his fail technique.

Trench doesn't learn is THE conclusion .. 



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2020, 01:14:26 AM
For some reason, it IS 'OK' in English to write 'Tartar'  .. I wish Sandro was around to confirm / correct but it derives from Tartaria , Latin.. 

Or just Tarts for short :D Ah, Tartaria, the land of tarts, lol.

I never in my wildest dreams thought to see me Mobers come out and back me up on this one :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2020, 01:18:10 AM
Or just Tarts for short :D Ah, Tartaria, the land of tarts, lol.

I never in my wildest dreams thought to see me Mobers come out and back me up on this one :)

On the other hand, I quite expected you'd indulge in Trench 'humour'  :puke:

Yup, the 'bug' is back .... I see Trench's posts when he quotes me  :popcorn:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on May 23, 2020, 02:53:30 AM
Huh? We really are living in parallel Universes... I have yet to meet any FSUW who behaved in such manner.

May be your due diligence  or spicy senses needed tuning.

You clearly  had then set right re your good lady.
I married one who behaved like this, and met many more.Guess one of the reasons of our differences it the different circles we move in. ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2020, 03:05:08 AM
I married one who behaved like this, and met many more.Guess one of the reasons of our differences it the different circles we move in. ;D

 :shock: :tongueout: :truce:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
On the other hand, I quite expected you'd indulge in Trench 'humour'  :puke:

Yup, the 'bug' is back .... I see Trench's posts when he quotes me  :popcorn:

That's wonderful news Mobers!!! Go on admit it you've been missing me :luv:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2020, 09:01:43 AM

1/ It was POLICY of Imperial and Soviet Moscow to 'Russify' conquered territory and a lot of attitudes / customs from that 'Russification' are prevalent across the FSU.

3/ Many FSU folk  are an exotic mix of previous conquerors and may have palish skin, but if the sun hits, they often tan with ease. 

Indeed, Kherson girl tanned real nicely on the beach in Cyprus and it stayed. It was scorching hot and I quite rightly took shelter completely under a beach parasol lounger. I put on sun block and  kept my t-shirt on too a lot or put it on top of me but still caught some sun burning. Unfortunately I peel like a banana, miss Kherson I noticed did not.

It wouldn't surprise me if miss Kherson ancestors were Russified along the way.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
Hmmnn, I get the impression that my miss Kherson may not get on all that well with several members of her family, even her friends might be cautious of her. She can be quite pleasant in some ways but I think her attitude and materialistic ways may let her down and may be a problem for many people that come into contact with her.

What do you guys reckon about girls that are at the top end on the looks scale of around 9-10?

Do they nearly always have a bad attitude because of it? Or just a certain number of them? Are girls that are a pretty 7-8 in the FSU  a better bet for settling down with? Less attitude/character problems?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on May 24, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
What do you reckon about men who earn less than the average wage in their countries?


Do they always have a bad attitude because of it?  Are they less desirable as life partners because they probably lack ambition or goals?


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: mhr7 on May 24, 2020, 06:20:05 PM
Hmmnn, I get the impression that my miss Kherson may not get on all that well with several members of her family, even her friends might be cautious of her. She can be quite pleasant in some ways but I think her attitude and materialistic ways may let her down and may be a problem for many people that come into contact with her.

What do you guys reckon about girls that are at the top end on the looks scale of around 9-10?

Do they nearly always have a bad attitude because of it? Or just a certain number of them? Are girls that are a pretty 7-8 in the FSU  a better bet for settling down with? Less attitude/character problems?

5200 posts, 4-10 trips, a million questions and you are still the densest person I've ever come across.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 24, 2020, 09:37:22 PM
What do you reckon about men who earn less than the average wage in their countries?


Do they always have a bad attitude because of it?  Are they less desirable as life partners because they probably lack ambition or goals?


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I can see my question has upset you Boe. You know if the economy tanks it I am likely as a consequence be average or above average in earnings compared to the rest of the country :D

To be honest my question was not so much about Kherson girl but about people in general. Do such traits come with being on the very pretty end or are they genetic? Would any children with such a girl who also turn out to be very pretty have the same attitude or can corrective behaviour teaching from parents change this?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BillyB on May 24, 2020, 09:55:01 PM
What do you guys reckon about girls that are at the top end on the looks scale of around 9-10?

Do they nearly always have a bad attitude because of it?



Some of them girls get a lot of attention so they have an attitude to turn the majority of men off. If they think you're a quality man, they aren't going to want to turn you off with bad attitude.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 25, 2020, 02:01:23 AM

Some of them girls get a lot of attention so they have an attitude to turn the majority of men off. If they think you're a quality man, they aren't going to want to turn you off with bad attitude.

I think you're right Billy, but could such a girl take it so far that she ends up without a life partner because she sees none of the men around her as passing the bar? Kherson girl for example, I mean looking at videos on You Tube a lot of the outskirts of Kherson look pretty grotty. There are some nice rural houses and natural nature scenery out there but I'm guessing on the whole it's pretty poor prospects for men. Kherson girl said that all the men left weren't suitable, they were drug users, low life's, probably gopniks, etc. I'm guessing her attitude turned off all the other men the family oriented ones. My thought is they didn't really care if a girl is very pretty, just a pretty one will do without the attitude. I would wonder if I got a very pretty girl and had children that were very pretty would the same happen again? That even in a more wealthy country their attitude would be so bad as to end up without being able to find someone.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on May 25, 2020, 04:06:46 AM
What do you reckon about men who earn less than the average wage in their countries?

In Trench's case this is deliberate... so LAZY ?

Do they always have a bad attitude because of it? 

In Trench's case..Yup

Are they less desirable as life partners because they probably lack ambition or goals?

..and it's been working out SO well for Trench

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 25, 2020, 04:46:50 AM
In Trench's case this is deliberate... so LAZY ?

In Trench's case..Yup

..and it's been working out SO well for Trench

I hear what Boethius is saying Move, that women want men that can provide a comfortable lifestyle & status for them OR a man who has the ambition/potential to get there.

That is what women are like the world over. Less attractive women will in most instances settle for less but does a guy want so less of an attractive woman. I could have settled for women at home that I was not into/did not find attractive, I could have settled for fat women that were an instant turn off to me no matter how much I tried I just wouldn't be able to stomach it.

Many women will go for the guy who is 'mouth, mouth, mouth' about what he will do. I quietly laugh to myself whenever I see a girl being taken in by it. I know she is buying into the bull and the guy almost certainly won't deliver. He doesn't have what it takes up top he is just all mouth. I on the other hand would rather not mouth on, I know what I need to do and how to get there. When the time is right I will be where I want to be.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: fathertime on May 25, 2020, 06:20:49 AM
That's wonderful news Mobers!!! Go on admit it you've been missing me :luv:
Still a chance you can bunk near mooby and drain a squirt of green milk from his moob!

Fathertime!   
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BillyB on May 25, 2020, 08:27:58 AM
such a girl take it so far that she ends up without a life partner because she sees none of the men around her as passing the bar?


It's possible. Both men and women have a checklist of requirements on what they want from a life partner. I know a few guys who insisted they won't get together with a girl unless she meets their list of requirements and the list is long. I usually tell them they'll probably never get married with a list like that. After people watch opportunity pass by and getting 20 years older and uglier, they shorten their list but by that time, most of the quality people are taken so they'll settle for less.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 26, 2020, 01:29:57 AM
Still a chance you can bunk near mooby and drain a squirt of green milk from his moob!

Fathertime!   
Indeed Fathertime, that moob milk is sweet nectar full of antibodies of Oirish antagonism that are enough to see off any virus or anything else for that matter ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on May 26, 2020, 01:34:35 AM
I hear what Boethius is saying Move, that women want men that can provide a comfortable lifestyle & status for them OR a man who has the ambition/potential to get there.


That's not at all what I am saying.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 26, 2020, 01:52:22 AM
It's possible. Both men and women have a checklist of requirements on what they want from a life partner. I know a few guys who insisted they won't get together with a girl unless she meets their list of requirements and the list is long. I usually tell them they'll probably never get married with a list like that. After people watch opportunity pass by and getting 20 years older and uglier, they shorten their list but by that time, most of the quality people are taken so they'll settle for less.

I agree, or they can't settle at all I guess and never get with anyone. On further thought though on my experiences with people I've met/seen I reckon it's something that can occur whatever level of attractiveness looks wise a person is.

Thinking it through odds are I'm guessing is that people on the ugly end or very pretty end probably find it hardest to find dates, just based on looks alone of course. Ugly people will need to find another ugly person who is willing to accept them. Very pretty people will want to find another very pretty person as they are not so willing to accept less attractive average looking people or even just pretty looking people. Most people apparently fall into the everyday looking type of slot, I do, but people at either end are a smaller group by comparison.

Other factors come into play of course, how socialable a person is, personality/attitude, wealth, physical form, intelligence, etc and how much a person is attracted to that stuff. In theory a very pretty person has a lot of choice but they could quite likely choose to restrict themselves, not realise their non looks shortcomings or just can't come to terms with going for less attractive people. Ugly looking people probably struggle a lot to find someone as most will avoid, maybe even some other ugly looking people and that is before any other character traits are taken into account.

All in all I reckon being a very attractive person is still a preferable option not that there tends to be much choice in the matter. A shot at living the high life and having people treat you well, not always of course but in general and having many options is no doubt preferable to looking like an everyday person with no special advantage. I reckon being in a wealthy country in the west gives far more opportunities to an attractive person than an attractive person in Ukraine/FSU, hence I guess why so many girls that do FSU dating are on the pretty end or above, other than above average local supply of course.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 26, 2020, 01:53:23 AM

That's not at all what I am saying.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
.

Then what are you saying?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 01, 2020, 02:02:32 AM
Felt the need to update this thread. Well it appears Kherson girl may have her Achilles heel. On one of her photos on Photofeeler she just got around a 4 and a half after 20 or so votes. That's quite a turn around as all her other photos are high scores. The main difference seems to be that this was more close up than the other photos. Now in pretty much all regards she is model like but she does have a not quite so well formed nose end, nothing horrific or real bad but close up it would make her less attractive looking to many guys. It doesn't bother me so much, she still look pretty attractive even with it. It doesn't stand out a mile just when up close of say up to a couple of meters or so away. In a lot of guys mind though even a small defect can be a big thing/turn off.

Admittedly if it were fixed she would be a 9 in looks at any distance. As it is though she is only a 9 from a distance away where the slight nose defect can't clearly be seen. That's no good for relationships though where being up close is part of it all of course. I've no doubt she wouldn't be able to afford the rhinoplasty to get a nose job done on it but if she did she would then be a 9 at any distance. That of course would mean she would be well out of my league at present. So I'm guessing that's it, that is what turns enough guys off locally along with her material ways/attitude and probably some disarray over what guy she could get. Being between the two stools looks wise means she probably has at least somewhat high expectations but they never match up to the offering. Her family & friends probably tell her it doesn't matter so as to not hurt her feelings. It shouldn't do to a large extent but for the guys she is interested in at the top end it no doubt does. It's quite a shame for her as otherwise she would probably get all what she wants in life, it's just one step away from being a top model looking girl and that must be a real sucker.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on June 01, 2020, 03:34:54 PM
Why are you stalking her?  It's unhealthy.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 01, 2020, 04:12:55 PM
Why are you stalking her?  It's unhealthy.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I'm not stalking her, that's a physical thing. I have many, many photos that she had sent me and that I took off her during our time together. I have merely set out to try to work out what I find a perculiar situation. I now feel that I have as full an answer on the situation. She would be totally unaware of anything so it's no bother to her. I have a better understanding of it all as a result of doing all of this.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 01, 2020, 06:19:40 PM
That is creepy.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Nightwish on June 02, 2020, 02:28:35 AM
I'm not stalking her, that's a physical thing. I have many, many photos that she had sent me and that I took off her during our time together. I have merely set out to try to work out what I find a perculiar situation. I now feel that I have as full an answer on the situation. She would be totally unaware of anything so it's no bother to her. I have a better understanding of it all as a result of doing all of this.

so you are using someone else pictures you been sent privately while being in a "relationship" and upload them on a site where she has no control over them?

f*****g creep!
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on June 02, 2020, 03:42:28 AM
I'm not stalking her, that's a physical thing. I have many, many photos that she had sent me and that I took off her during our time together. I have merely set out to try to work out what I find a perculiar situation. I now feel that I have as full an answer on the situation. She would be totally unaware of anything so it's no bother to her. I have a better understanding of it all as a result of doing all of this.
Do you really think it can not hurt or bother her?
How about her being in a new relationship and the guy using Google, finding by accident many pictures of her that she claims to know nothing about.Remove any picture of her that she has not uploaded on the internet herself, and use any ictures or information wisely.


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 02, 2020, 04:42:44 AM
so you are using someone else pictures you been sent privately while being in a "relationship" and upload them on a site where she has no control over them?

f*****g creep!

No let me explain, these photos are only temporarily on a site in which people rate them. After they rate them they don't see them no more. After the voting has finished no one else will see them anymore. So only about 10-20 people will see a particular photo posted up. I have only posted up a handful. Some of these photos can be found on her social media anyway. It really is a minimally invasive procedure.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 02, 2020, 04:51:17 AM
Do you really think it can not hurt or bother her?
How about her being in a new relationship and the guy using Google, finding by accident many pictures of her that she claims to know nothing about.Remove any picture of her that she has not uploaded on the internet herself, and use any ictures or information wisely.

So yes following on from my reply to Nightwish these photos are only up for a brief minimal time and only to an incredibly tiny amount of people on this planet, those that are signed up to and voting on Photofeeler where she happens to come up. Googling would not reveal these images except for those she posts up herself on social media and the like. Even if someone she knew was using Photofeeler which is highly unlikely in the FSU as it's a western app little known to them the odds off them being on at the same time & voting and her image coming up are amazingly small. The research gained though can be invaluable. If she knew about it she would probably be pleased and interested herself to know particularly if pleasing scores. Many women in the FSU like to show off and model themselves the girl in question being no exception so I don't think it's something they would take offense to as can be the case in the West.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on June 02, 2020, 05:06:28 AM
So yes following on from my reply to Nightwish these photos are only up for a brief minimal time and only to an incredibly tiny amount of people on this planet, those that are signed up to and voting on Photofeeler where she happens to come up. Googling would not reveal these images except for those she posts up herself on social media and the like. Even if someone she knew was using Photofeeler which is highly unlikely in the FSU as it's a western app little known to them the odds off them being on at the same time & voting and her image coming up are amazingly small. The research gained though can be invaluable. If she knew about it she would probably be pleased and interested herself to know particularly if pleasing scores. Many women in the FSU like to show off and model themselves the girl in question being no exception so I don't think it's something they would take offense to as can be the case in the West.
Understand that   new Relationship would be with  Western man, which is why using a non-FSU app is even worse. If you think she would be pleased, just inform her of your actions. Should you be visited by some Boris in order to delete all pics forcefully do not blame it on me.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 02, 2020, 06:09:43 AM
Understand that   new Relationship would be with  Western man, which is why using a non-FSU app is even worse. If you think she would be pleased, just inform her of your actions. Should you be visited by some Boris in order to delete all pics forcefully do not blame it on me.

Lol, well I don't think is looking for a western man anymore. Judging by her social media I don't think she has found anyone locally either. When I knew her she told me she worked many hours in a retail store and I would guess she still does. Probably only so many opportunities for better jobs out Kherson way and a lot of the better pay would probably be the guys.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on June 02, 2020, 09:08:17 AM
Sadly, quoting Trench allows me to ( sometimes ) see his guff and now I realise he IS fixated with Miss Kherson ...

Look, as someone who has been fixated with a partner ( well, Wife) that no longer finds you flavour of the month, take my advice ... Delete EVERY photo of her and don't try to follow her life..it's not healthy

I could NEARLY get it if you'd been married and she was saying bad stuff about you, but it's YOU that is following her around, whilst telling us all the reasons why 'she's bad' and it didn't work out ..

We are friends with folk from Kherson who ( when allowed to travel ) normally live in Sochi ...but got stuck there during a visit to family in Kherson ...  They ain't rich, but I'd trust the lady to look after a valuable heirloom over most folk ...

Trench chose unwisely,  in his words .... perhaps she was unwise ..




 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: SteveInBoston on June 02, 2020, 10:08:21 AM
No let me explain, these photos are only temporarily on a site in which people rate them. After they rate them they don't see them no more. After the voting has finished no one else will see them anymore. So only about 10-20 people will see a particular photo posted up. I have only posted up a handful. Some of these photos can be found on her social media anyway. It really is a minimally invasive procedure.

This, and you stalking her on social media, is pathetic.  Creepy and pathetic.  Please get counseling.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 02, 2020, 11:02:38 AM
Sadly, quoting Trench allows me to ( sometimes ) see his guff and now I realise he IS fixated with Miss Kherson ...

Look, as someone who has been fixated with a partner ( well, Wife) that no longer finds you flavour of the month, take my advice ... Delete EVERY photo of her and don't try to follow her life..it's not healthy

I could NEARLY get it if you'd been married and she was saying bad stuff about you, but it's YOU that is following her around, whilst telling us all the reasons why 'she's bad' and it didn't work out ..

We are friends with folk from Kherson who ( when allowed to travel ) normally live in Sochi ...but got stuck there during a visit to family in Kherson ...  They ain't rich, but I'd trust the lady to look after a valuable heirloom over most folk ...

Trench chose unwisely,  in his words .... perhaps she was unwise ..

Mobe, you're back! Boy I've missed you!!! I believe I've developed something akin to Stockholm Syndrome since you've been following me around so long ;D

Well things have changed a lot in the world since your ex-wife Mobers. There's stuff you can learn about a relationship, that can help you understand the wider picture. Information Technology is now more developed than it once was.

Am I fixated on her? To some extent yes, for two reasons:

1). I wanted to find out what the craziness of the situation all meant. It has taken a good deal of time and searching but I've pretty much done this now.

2). She's hot. Not in all respects as explained but in most. I wanted to understand this better too and again now I pretty much have.

To my mind if you have an experience worth learning from then learn as much as you can. Being reasonable in doing this of course should be the case. End of the day I didn't hire private detectives or anything I just used what was mostly public domain material.

I'm sure most of Kherson people are decent people. The last day I was with her in Cyprus I had my Samsung Galaxy Tablet out I recently purchased with keys in Russian as well as English. I had bought it a few weeks ago for a few hundred pounds, it was the latest version at the time (6 I think it was). Anyway without me saying anything she motioned and said 'a present for me' lol. Don't worry I of course said no. To me that told me everything I needed to know in terms of her not being a good girl.

The pity of it for her is, is that she is not now that far of 30 and she ruined a good chance to get away from all that she disliked of her life in Kherson. She could have had a good life with me and vice versa but through acting badly she gave up on all of that.

Unless she gets real lucky or settles for a lot less locally she is going to be one of those women eating cat food in old age in order to get by.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Nightwish on June 02, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Mobe, you're back! Boy I've missed you!!! I believe I've developed something akin to Stockholm Syndrome since you've been following me around so long ;D

Well things have changed a lot in the world since your ex-wife Mobers. There's stuff you can learn about a relationship, that can help you understand the wider picture. Information Technology is now more developed than it once was.

Am I fixated on her? To some extent yes, for two reasons:

1). I wanted to find out what the craziness of the situation all meant. It has taken a good deal of time and searching but I've pretty much done this now.

2). She's hot. Not in all respects as explained but in most. I wanted to understand this better too and again now I pretty much have.

To my mind if you have an experience worth learning from then learn as much as you can. Being reasonable in doing this of course should be the case. End of the day I didn't hire private detectives or anything I just used what was mostly public domain material.

I'm sure most of Kherson people are decent people. The last day I was with her in Cyprus I had my Samsung Galaxy Tablet out I recently purchased with keys in Russian as well as English. I had bought it a few weeks ago for a few hundred pounds, it was the latest version at the time (6 I think it was). Anyway without me saying anything she motioned and said 'a present for me' lol. Don't worry I of course said no. To me that told me everything I needed to know in terms of her not being a good girl.

The pity of it for her is, is that she is not now that far of 30 and she ruined a good chance to get away from all that she disliked of her life in Kherson. She could have had a good life with me and vice versa but through acting badly she gave up on all of that.

Unless she gets real lucky or settles for a lot less locally she is going to be one of those women eating cat food in old age in order to get by.

No, she could have been in an abusive relationship with a controlling creepy dude that could not even take care of her basic needs in life.
She REALLY dodged a bullet there...
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 02, 2020, 12:40:17 PM
No, she could have been in an abusive relationship with a controlling creepy dude that could not even take care of her basic needs in life.
She REALLY dodged a bullet there...

Ooo... That's harsh Nightwish. You know the British State Pension is quite generous. No need for her to buy cat food on that :)

I don't do too bad either, I live in my own house all paid up for, no mortgage. Better that shooting it out in a room of a cramped shared flat with other family members she apparently did not get on with. Though judging by the way she treated me I can perhaps see why they don't.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Nightwish on June 02, 2020, 12:48:52 PM
Ooo... That's harsh Nightwish. You know the British State Pension is quite generous. No need for her to buy cat food on that :)

I don't do too bad either, I live in my own house all paid up for, no mortgage. Better that shooting it out in a room of a cramped shared flat with other family members she apparently did not get on with. Though judging by the way she treated me I can perhaps see why they don't.

Your financial situation is not your biggest issue, it is a big problem yes - or in your case a very small problem, hence it being a problem

I seen bigger issues than that from your posts
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on June 02, 2020, 01:47:55 PM
The pity of it for her is, is that she is not now that far of 30 and she ruined a good chance to get away from all that she disliked of her life in Kherson. She could have had a good life with me and vice versa but through acting badly she gave up on all of that.

Unless she gets real lucky or settles for a lot less locally she is going to be one of those women eating cat food in old age in order to get by.
Do not worry. Once borders re-open and flights are possible she will get out----if she desires to do so. If you think you are the only creep stalking her you need to get a dose of reality.She understood you are not husband material, or at least were not at the time.If you understand your mistakes there may be someone who thinks you are, but it will take a lot of effort.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 02, 2020, 03:09:18 PM
Do not worry. Once borders re-open and flights are possible she will get out----if she desires to do so. If you think you are the only creep stalking her you need to get a dose of reality.She understood you are not husband material, or at least were not at the time.If you understand your mistakes there may be someone who thinks you are, but it will take a lot of effort.

She apparently earns only around $180 a month. So I doubt she could afford to get to Kiev by train never mind outside Ukraine. Once she got outside Ukraine she would need to pay for accommodation somewhere. Like I said she is model like until you get close then many guys will be put off. If not then there is her attitude that will put them off. If I were to be introspective for a moment I would say I am actually a guy that will put up with a fair bit of sh*t. There's a point of a girl gets Uber insulting that I won't take it out of self respect & pride but generally I'm not one to fly of the handle on any given thing. Many guys I think wouldn't stick around.

So she's basically stuck in Ukraine, her fault really, I tried to accommodate her and tried to make it work, but that proved to be my mistake it seems.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on June 02, 2020, 03:35:01 PM
Ayee, why must I see Trench's bollox when he's on ignore ?

I think most of us have now realised he is beyond hope..   I honestly believe he just posts here for a rise

I'm certain he misled the lass and she led led on. They were as bad as each other ...

One thing I'm sure of .. She won't be checking Trench out to see how he's getting on .... go figure


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2020, 12:16:55 AM
She apparently earns only around $180 a month. So I doubt she could afford to get to Kiev by train never mind outside Ukraine. Once she got outside Ukraine she would need to pay for accommodation somewhere. Like I said she is model like until you get close then many guys will be put off. If not then there is her attitude that will put them off. If I were to be introspective for a moment I would say I am actually a guy that will put up with a fair bit of sh*t. There's a point of a girl gets Uber insulting that I won't take it out of self respect & pride but generally I'm not one to fly of the handle on any given thing. Many guys I think wouldn't stick around.

So she's basically stuck in Ukraine, her fault really, I tried to accommodate her and tried to make it work, but that proved to be my mistake it seems.
If she is as you describe, I am sure there are at leat 5 guys who are willing to invite her right this moment. Do not fool yourself in thinking that you are the one and only person busy with this.Attrctive women have enough attention both local and international.If he still lives and wrks where she did than that is by choice, not because her only chance ever was denied by her.
The same goes for the next girl you plan to visit. She is probably writing to ten guys while none wil arrive.If you will arrive she may choose you, or also decide you are not the right guy.
Do not buy in to the stories that the women are sitting there waiting for any man to come along and white knight them out of their surroundings.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 03, 2020, 02:51:25 AM
If she is as you describe, I am sure there are at leat 5 guys who are willing to invite her right this moment. Do not fool yourself in thinking that you are the one and only person busy with this.Attrctive women have enough attention both local and international.If he still lives and wrks where she did than that is by choice, not because her only chance ever was denied by her.
The same goes for the next girl you plan to visit. She is probably writing to ten guys while none wil arrive.If you will arrive she may choose you, or also decide you are not the right guy.
Do not buy in to the stories that the women are sitting there waiting for any man to come along and white knight them out of their surroundings.

You're forgetting that she is only a 9 from a distance away, as men get near to her she drops to a 4.5 because of her small nose imperfection. So she ends up a slightly under par woman on looks when she is stood in front of them. This will be a let down to many a guy and that is before you get to her attitude. Now she can be nice but she has a brattish side to her that even if she was a 9 up close that most guys would tire off before long.

For a while after we split, about a year or so she still had her profile on line, but no longer. I believe she struggled to get guys to visit her as she was out in Kherson so well away from Kiev and Odessa so off the beaten track for most western men. Most western men will go to the big airport cities first such as Moscow, St. Pete's, Minsk, Kiev and Odessa. There are many attractive girls there so no need to travel further in their mind. I think she gave up in the end as the number of men that seem reasonable that will travel out there are low/very low.

If you think about it it doesn't take much for a girl with potential Hollywood looks and fame to miss out on the high life due to one or two small factors. For Miss Kherson that was her slight nose imperfection and living in a relatively poor backwater in a relatively poor country. If she had not the imperfection and lived in the West then she would have done well for herself of the ack of that I believe.

As it is now that she is closing in on 30, age will start to degrade the advantages she had. I'm sure she will still be relatively pretty from a distance but even the most pretty girls need to realise utilise their youth and that tends to be before the age of 30.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2020, 03:03:20 AM
You're forgetting that she is only a 9 from a distance away, as men get near to her she drops to a 4.5 because of her small nose imperfection. So she ends up a slightly under par woman on looks when she is stood in front of them. This will be a let down to many a guy and that is before you get to her attitude. Now she can be nice but she has a brattish side to her that even if she was a 9 up close that most guys would tire off before long.

For a while after we split, about a year or so she still had her profile on line, but no longer. I believe she struggled to get guys to visit her as she was out in Kherson so well away from Kiev and Odessa so off the beaten track for most western men. Most western men will go to the big airport cities first such as Moscow, St. Pete's, Minsk, Kiev and Odessa. There are many attractive girls there so no need to travel further in their mind. I think she gave up in the end as the number of men that seem reasonable that will travel out there are low/very low.

If you think about it it doesn't take much for a girl with potential Hollywood looks and fame to miss out on the high life due to one or two small factors. For Miss Kherson that was her slight nose imperfection and living in a relatively poor backwater in a relatively poor country. If she had not the imperfection and lived in the West then she would have done well for herself of the ack of that I believe.

As it is now that she is closing in on 30, age will start to degrade the advantages she had. I'm sure she will still be relatively pretty from a distance but even the most pretty girls need to realise utilise their youth and that tends to be before the age of 30.
All she needs is a guy who pays for her nose job. You were too greedy.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 03, 2020, 04:29:39 AM
All she needs is a guy who pays for her nose job. You were too greedy.

Greedy? I paid for her first visit to me to Kiev and bought her a few things she asked for, a few items of clothing, etc. I then paid for her to come to Cyprus with me and bought her many more items of clothing, in general mid range fashion brand stuff.

Yes perhaps she needed that most of all, I didn't realise at the time as it didn't bother me that much. I'm not sure if it would be that easy to raise in conversation, she never raised it, she may have not realised that it was likely turning guys off. Russians can be blunt but I think her family & friends would probably not raise it, many would probably not think it a problem either, moreso family & females I would guess.

In any case if I paid for it for her how long do you then think I would last with her? She would be of model looks standard close up somewhere in the direction of most Hollywood Stars that are there mostly because of their looks. I think I would quickly be tossed aside. In her thirties and thereafter it might not be a problem as much as then she's not in her prime even if still very attractive. Nope because of her attitude fate has decided that she will likely see out her days in Kherson and miss all the high life, a great shame for her indeed.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on June 03, 2020, 05:30:13 AM
because of her attitude fate has decided that she will likely see out her days in Kherson and miss all the high life, a great shame for her indeed.

..and you'll keep 'checking up on her', for purely 'scientific' reasons  ...

Now I can see why you're being referred to as a 'creep' and a 'stalker' ..

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on June 03, 2020, 09:56:00 AM
Greedy? I paid for ..................

Shadow was teasing you and you are too sensitive partially because
you are a tightwad even by Dutch standards.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on June 03, 2020, 09:56:15 AM
Ayee, why must I see Trench's bollox when he's on ignore ?

It's a problem with the software. I've previously had members
on ignore and at least a quarter of their posts showed up anyway.

People are relatively easy to ignore, just skip over their posts.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 06, 2020, 05:46:07 AM
It's a problem with the software. I've previously had members
on ignore and at least a quarter of their posts showed up anyway.

People are relatively easy to ignore, just skip over their posts.

Not our Mobe, he's infatuated with me ;D

Besides for an Oirishman skimming past an argument is like walking past a nugget of gold, lol.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2020, 09:38:40 AM

Ok holy thread resurrection here.

I'm posting here in your thread because you and/or Moby take over
every thread on this board.

I think a lot of guys blame themselves on this forum or forum members
blame them if things don't work out, but they neglect to think of the
situation that a lot of the girls they are meeting come from.

I can spot cRaZy from a mile away and I've chatted with many
FSUW who were bAtsH!t cRaZy so I immediately lose their
contact information and move on.

Many men have difficulties dumping hot women, but you have
to do it when you find a woman who has character or psychological 
flaws. You can't fix those things and unless you are a trained
clinical psychologist then why would you even try?
[Note that question is rhetorical]



I think a lot of guys blame themselves on this forum or forum members blame them if things don't work out

When things don't work out and you get back home I understand looking
at what you did analyzing what you did right and what you did wrong,
make corrections and then move on.

That's not what many guys do. They spend far too much time on every
little detail as if they were in a Dan Brown novel. That isn't productive.
You will miss out on finding Ms Right if you spend too much time on
trying to figure out Ms Wrong.

Men have developed 117 generally accepted theories on women and
what makes them tick. Unfortunately they are all wrong.

You will never figure her out so don't try. Work on YOUR strategy,
tactics and techniques, that is something you can truly improve
and it WILL help you next time.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2020, 09:50:48 AM
Note: Trench meant this in a different context, but I am using
it to point out a fatal flaw in many of his theories.

I think there are ways to beat the system

Trench, you are trying to skip steps, important steps that can
not and should not be skipped. You must actively pursue and
engage a woman to win her heart and that absolutely must
be done.

You want to skip communicating with FSUW. You want to skip
having Skype/messenger calls with them exploring every facet
of their personality, goals, belief systems and what drives them.
You need insight into them.

You need to win their heart. You need to win their heart.
You need to win their heart. You need to win their heart.
 
Nobody can skip that, especially you can't skip that.

You buy a book on exploring Europe for $5 per day and set up
a budget of $2.5 per day. Stop it!

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Faux Pas on August 09, 2020, 10:34:40 AM

You need to win their heart. You need to win their heart.
You need to win their heart. You need to win their heart.
 
Nobody can skip that, especially you can't skip that.

You buy a book on exploring Europe for $5 per day and set up
a budget of $2.5 per day. Stop it!


 :ROFL:

Classic!
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on August 09, 2020, 02:46:32 PM
I can spot cRaZy from a mile away and I've chatted with many FSUW who were bAtsH!t cRaZy so I immediately lose their contact information and move on.


What, according to you, is crazy?


BTW, Trench, you should not discount the fact that for every crazy or unbalanced FSUW seeking a mate, there is a crazy or unbalanced WM, some of whom have posted on this forum.  It really is a two way street.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2020, 03:01:23 PM
What, according to you, is crazy?

My first wife is paranoid schizophrenic. She is crazy.
There are a number of other mental disorders/psychoses
too many to talk about here.   



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on August 09, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
So, this ability to 'spot' such ladies is acquired through experience..?... :popcorn:


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: rwd123 on August 09, 2020, 05:36:03 PM
Many men have difficulties dumping hot women, but you have
to do it when you find a woman who has character or psychological 
flaws
. You can't fix those things and unless you are a trained
clinical psychologist then why would you even try?
[Note that question is rhetorical]
Number one criteria and non-negotiable! Don't get involved with a nut job or with latent issues. It takes a level of experience and conscious effort to identify in some cases. On other occasions it is pretty obvious.

Don't try to be a white knight. A distant family member was young, successful and studying become a doctor. He saw a person drowning in a river. In his attempt to save them he was dragged to his death. That's what you're doing to yourself if you enter a relationship with someone with known issues.

(Yes, men can have similar flaws.)




Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on August 09, 2020, 07:25:51 PM
in America,
you most commonly have to deal with the following disorders fairly routinely
among childless, under 40 yr old women

bi-polar disorder
obsessive compulsive disorder
borderline personality disorder

you can sleep with one for a couple of months, before they have their first melt-down
then you should stop calling after that, and go for a rebound date with someone new
until that one has THEIR melt-down...

or...
I say, “or”

you leave the “domestic market”
and go “EXPORT” yourself  to a foreign market
and the more foreign the BETTER
a market that values what “you’re selling” because of it’s scarcity and uniqueness
compared to your “native home market” where what you’re selling is more common and hence less valuable

OK?

I learned at an early age that it was pretty common for foreign women to have a sexual interest in me...

I really suspect it had a lot to do with my appearance
I looked like a blond hair blue eyed Hitler Jugend
and YET...
I was a “mischling”, a half Jew....
being a “half-breed” made me kinda exotic to everyone
both Jew and Gentile
so this became my ticket down life’s highway

it’s also a HUGE PLUS if you are a guy who can speak well, but has an accent
the women will overwhelmingly consider it to be a VERY sexy voice
for me, it was a mild Virginian southern accent
spoken in the UK

or speaking Russian in Russia...
or English in China or Japan
women were just mesmerized by my voice

so, they WANT to go to the cafe and have cake and coffee with me!
the rest after that, is just commentary

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Davo on August 10, 2020, 02:42:05 AM
Trench, I know you have it all worked out, but do you?

Here’s a new plan 😉

http://youtu.be/1Y_6fZGSOQI

All jokes aside i’d adopt George’s philosophy. Start with Bills great advice re.... making full use of the tools you have available.... Skype etc...

For a change, why don’t you do the opposite and have......

 “Skype/messenger calls with them exploring every facet
of their personality, goals, belief systems and what drives them.
You need insight into them.

actively pursue and
engage a woman to win her heart and that absolutely must
be done.

You need to win their heart. You need to win their heart.
You need to win their heart.”

Honestly if you can’t master the online aspect of FSU dating, you’re going to continue to struggle.



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BC on August 10, 2020, 03:44:56 AM
Trench, I know you know have it all worked out, but do you?

Here’s a new plan 😉


Wow...Perfect!

Guess that finally settles this forum thread and a bunch of others :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 10, 2020, 07:50:04 AM

there are crazy or unbalanced WM

Absolutely there are and there are women who want to take
them home and fix them and they are just as doomed to failure
as men who want to get romantically involved with broken women.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on August 10, 2020, 10:36:51 AM
nawwwww Trench, don’t do it that way man
plus gyms are dangerous now...

if I’m in Moscow this winter, ya wanna know what I’m gonna do to stay in shape?
cross-country skiing up and down my driveway and street
use the ski poles a lot more than normal to propel myself instead of gravity
I also found out that I can ice-ski on frozen ponds like this when it’s REALLY cold
and the ice is thick and won’t crack when I step on it
I’ve even gone completely across a large pond with just a couple of hard jabs to the ice
right after I freshly waxed my skis
it feels like you’re gliding or ice skating
also, plenty of places to ice skate in Moscva
a lot of the skaters are young women
if you're a trick skater, you will get "looks"
it's a GREAT workout

best way to stay in shape
get some kinda “physical” hobby or JOB!!!
and the harder you work
the more you get into shape

for example, learn how to shingle roofs
and have a part-time “bizness” as a roofing installer/repairer
you only need a couple hundred quid worth of tools and a ladder
and each job could net you a couple thousand quid profit
get up on the roof with your shirt off, while balancing two 80 pound bags of shingles
and then wield a a heavy hammer all day, switching arms
and by summer's end women will gawk at you when you remove your shirt
I feel "so dirty" when they do that...

and do roofing as a “side gig”
and have other side gigs
I totally liked the furniture making idea....
if you ever did a web site about your recreations of Queen Anne period English furniture
I can guarantee you a couple of hundred hot looking women would be talking with you on Instagram...

if you lived your life this way, instead of in a hole
you’d make more money
you’d make more friends
you’d make more girl friends
you’d be a whole heck of a lot happier than you are now
because you're basically not putting ANY effort into your life
in Germany, they used to tell me, "if you want results, you have to work for it"
work for it Trench
and not just complain about it

Trench, do you want ALL the pussy in your area, or just some?
either way listen up

#1 - buy a work truck, 3 ladders, small, medium, large, leather tool belt, couple of roofing hammers, box cutter, water cooler

#2 - if you don’t know how to do roofing, hire yourself out for minimum wage to a local roofer to be his helper, he’ll work your ass off and teach you EVERYTHING you need to know in 6 months

then advertise to do roofing installation and repair in your area
if you do just ONE major job per week, you can easily make a couple of thousand pounds profit

then learn how to spray paint and pressure wash, buy the equipment, and add this to your list of services, my guess is within 2 years, you should be clearing 50,000 pounds per year, PLUS meeting a lot of people, some of whom are female and who also have female friends

you might even be able to use your truck for delivery and haul-away, all kinds of stuff Trench

WOW! Trench!!!

then Trench, let me ask ya a question buddy?
do you wanna work for money?
or would you prefer to have YOUR money work for YOU?
hmmmm.....
cuz, if you think it’s time for your savings to grow up and go to work
if you have a 50K cash flow, buy an 800,000 pound country house with acreage
10% down, 15 year loan
and make a model homestead farm

and after you do that
recruit a housekeeper (with benefits)





Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Maxx2 on November 19, 2020, 03:35:31 AM
Deleted


That is a shameful reply. You bring dishonor upon your father and mother.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BC on November 19, 2020, 04:28:29 AM
Thanks Max...

I was trying to find something I could say without totally violating the new board policies.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 04:35:31 AM


That is a shameful reply. You bring dishonor upon your father and mother.

Thanks Max...

I was trying to find something I could say without totally violating the new board policies.



Trench is simply proving his social interaction and dating skills
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Maxx2 on November 19, 2020, 04:55:33 AM


Trench is simply proving his social interaction and dating skills


Tho I disagree with much of your political stances I am with you in this assessment. 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Maxx2 on November 19, 2020, 04:56:33 AM
Thanks Max...

I was trying to find something I could say without totally violating the new board policies.


And what are the new board policies?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BC on November 19, 2020, 06:11:53 AM
No insults, sniping, and mudslinging etc.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 08:46:11 AM
Deleted.

You are posting about a real person that Maxx knows not some
hypothetical woman who might be interested in you.

Use your brain before you post
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 08:49:59 AM
No insults, sniping, and mudslinging etc.

Then you would need to delete Trenchmouths post and then clean up
the thread that Trenchmouth totally hijacked AGAIN.

Maxx was talking about a real woman that he knows.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BC on November 19, 2020, 08:59:04 AM
Hi Bill,

I reported to the mod to get it handled.  I did want Trench to see the reaction of other members to his obviously distasteful post, even if not directed at another member.

Is likely to disappear in short order.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 09:08:56 AM
Here is Trenchcoats on topic part of the conversation.

Exactly! Tourism shouldn't be seen as a poor second. It helps a guy learn about the culture and he can see how Ukrainians are, that can be invaluable and all help. Flying in and being oblivious of the culture and society isn't a great place to be. That said I can understand for Americans and those from further afield that it's an expensive way to spend time for what was supposed to be a trip to meet a significant other.

When I was in Lviv I mixed tourism with drumming up another woman to meet, it's not a bad way to do it. Most sites only have so many other women to message so you can message them at night or briefly in the morning before going out or around lunchtime when back for a rest. Anything urgent can be done from mobile phone on the move but generally it means you can spend the rest of the day doing tourism while you wait for one to come up.


Here is where Trench defends hiding his lack of confidence and lack of basic
social skills from women. Trench has polluted dozens of threads already with
this and he needs to stop. This thread is not about Trench being afraid to chat
with members of the opposite sex on Skype.

 :offtopic:   :offtopic:   :offtopic: 


Generally I would say unless you're an above average guy in looks, etc it's probably going to take a few days to get another girl up unless you get lucky. Even trying to get back ups ready to call up before you go isn't that easy unless again if you're above average vin looks or get lucky. A lot of sites has a lot of guys competing to message with girls and that's before it comes down to whether she likes your look or not. Some guys might have girls to call up off VK or Facebook but most won't as it's not a straight forward process as online dating sites tend to be.

I agree with not getting overinvested in a girl beforehand the odds for most guys aren't in their favour. I agree that Skype & messaging a lot can build into that and to be honest you might as well go out there and blind date as a lot of that stuff doesn't help that much anyway. It's really all a case of getting the girls up though of course some connection is handy so the girl feels invested enough to show up.

I think Mobe's method is somewhat different. I think there are two aspects to the due diligence he states. One, finding out that the girl is not after a WM for dubious reasons, as an immigration mule, after his wealth, shopping spree, wanting a sponsor, etc. Second, that her character is generally good. Third, that her personality and interests are on a similar or complimentary wavelength.

For each girl messaging online then skyping that is quite a lot of due diligence work. It may well pay off but I don't think their me are guarantee's and odds are even on meeting it may take more than meeting the first girl before one comes up with the necessary chemistry. Surface to say it's quite a labour intensive process suitable for those that have long periods to time to while away at home. Many of us unfortunately don't have that sort of time to hand or lack the enthusiasm for it.

I reckon there is a way to come good in dating abroad if the guy wants to improve his odds and that is to go for girls that are underpar on the looks front. They will be girls who will value the guy meeting them, probably less likely to try it on, etc, etc. So a potential quick win there. Many guys skip over these girls for the more attractive ones, I know I do or at least average looks girls. However, if the guy wants the job done quick and a girl that is less likely to mess him around and isn't too bothered about looks then the unattractive girl can be close to a sure thing. Myself I can't bring myself to date  an ugly girl as I just can't feel right about it but on the upside their not likely to run off with other men though maybe that's not such a good thing, lol.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
Hi Bill,

I reported to the mod to get it handled.  I did want Trench to see the reaction of other members to his obviously distasteful post, even if not directed at another member.

Is likely to disappear in short order.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 19, 2020, 10:10:47 AM
This is ridiculous

Beel suggests to the forum that my wife did not post something she DID and now he is hoping Trench's post gets nuked?

This is exactly what I meant about a level playing field.

I simply wanted Beel to see he was wrong and we weren't given the chance.

His slur remains in a locked thread.

Ah well.


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 11:50:10 AM
This is ridiculous

Beel suggests to the forum that my wife did not post something she DID and now he is hoping Trench's post gets nuked?

This is exactly what I meant about a level playing field.

I simply wanted Beel to see he was wrong and we weren't given the chance.

His slur remains in a locked thread.

Ah well.

I did not make a single disparaging comment about your wife
nor any other person that you know. I posted my belief that YOU
did something.

You said you didn't do that thing. I said you did, you said you didn't,
I said I believe you did, you said you didn't. There is no productive
reason for the mods to put up with you and I repeating it another
40 to 400 times. 

What Trench did was to disparage a person that a member knew
(and Trench didn't) who couldn't defend herself.

That has never been considered acceptable behavior on this forum
or any other.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 12:18:32 PM
there is a crazy or unbalanced WM, some of whom have posted on this forum. 
It really is a two way street.

Absolutely there are and there are women who want to take
them home and fix them and they are just as doomed to failure
as men who want to get romantically involved with broken women.

I am going to take this one step further in regard to dating Women.

Some women always end up with "Bad Boys"
Some women always end up with men with addictive problems
Some women always end up with men who treat them horribly.
Some women friend zone men and then use them. 

STAY AWAY from those women. Something is wrong and you don't have
the knowledge, training or ability to help them. They won't be interested
in you romantically for any long period of time and they will revert to seeking
out what harms or is harmful to them.

Find a woman who wants you. Find a woman who is romantically interested
in YOU.

Hollywood makes movies about how these girls realize that they always wanted
a good guy and they decide to become romantically involved with the guy that
they've friend zoned.

THAT CRAP NEVER HAPPENS. It's a Holly-weird formula romantic film marketing
for women. It's as real as Superman flying and having X-ray vision. It's as realistic
as Wonder Woman blocking machine gun bullets with her wristbands.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 19, 2020, 12:22:27 PM

I did not make a single disparaging comment about your wife
nor any other person that you know. I posted my belief that YOU
did something.

You said you didn't do that thing. I said you did, you said you didn't,
I said I believe you did, you said you didn't. There is no productive
reason for the mods to put up with you and I repeating it another
40 to 400 times. 

What Trench did was to disparage a person that a member knew
(and Trench didn't) who couldn't defend herself.

That has never been considered acceptable behavior on this forum
or any other.

Trench has made similar comments in the past about women, though not a particular woman.  Each time, he's been called out on it, either by me, or, usually, moby.  Yet he persists.  He's not the only poster here to express misogynistic views.  The now banned Sting was another.  Thankfully, it is rarer now than it was in the past.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
Trench has made similar comments in the past about women, though not a particular woman.  Each time, he's been called out on it, either by me, or, usually, moby.  Yet he persists.  He's not the only poster here to express misogynistic views.  The now banned Sting was another.  Thankfully, it is rarer now than it was in the past.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Yes he does it all the time. It's nice that he has a thread like this to dump
his crap in.

In my opinion, his completely off topic posts should be considered for placement
here as well. He has 50-60 posts on somebody else's trip report.

Look at this
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20000.0

He has totally taken over threads


Lastly, Moby follows him around as he does Maxx and others. Moby jumps
Trench for nearly every post he makes. You wait for Trench to say something
ridiculous before calling him to task.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 19, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
IMHO, it's a positive that he is willing to engage with other posters.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2020, 01:09:36 PM
IMHO, it's a positive that he is willing to engage with other posters.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

It would be nice however, the OP never posted on the thread again.
Trench took over the thread

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 20, 2020, 06:47:44 AM
I did not make a single disparaging comment about your wife }

You told us her words were not her words and ran away from knowing you made an arse of yourself.

If you state someone is fibbing...and you said 'nobody' believed it was wifey, you should face the music.



I offered you a way out. It would have been settled with a laugh.

Calling someone a liar, then refusing to see you were 'mistaken  is that unacceptable?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 20, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
You told us her words were not her words and ran away from knowing you made an arse of yourself.

If you state someone is fibbing...and you said 'nobody' believed it was wifey, you should face the music.

I offered you a way out. It would have been settled with a laugh.

Calling someone a liar, then refusing to see you were 'mistaken  is that unacceptable?

I believe you made that post.

You've got me on ignore, maybe you should ignore me.
Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on November 20, 2020, 11:49:39 AM
I believe you made that post.

You've got me on ignore, maybe you should ignore me.
Udachi!

Bill
Of course he made that post. Now up to his usual tricks.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 23, 2020, 03:25:58 PM
Anyone know if Japs will be returning anytime soon? I noticed that his trip report was removed a couple of weeks ago and that he was flagged up as Moderated, so maybe possibly banned or suspended for a short while? Both I feel is a great shame as he contributed greatly on here and his trip report had some great stuff in it. Kind of a breath of fresh air to here from someone with experience that doesn't hang out here all the time and of course presently in Ukraine so behind the wall where all the action is happening with boots on the ground. I know I have benefited enormously from his contribution on here :) :clapping:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 23, 2020, 04:08:18 PM
Trench,

What did he 'contribute'?

1/ where to go to get cheaper tattoos ?

2/ theories that many women like tattoos and beards ?

3/ yet another poster living there that could not be bothered to try to learn the local lingo?

4/ boasting of 'sexual conquests' whilst still hung up on one particular lady..

That was 'useful' to you?.



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 23, 2020, 04:26:51 PM
Trench,

What did he 'contribute'?

1/ where to go to get cheaper tattoos ?

2/ theories that many women like tattoos and beards ?

3/ yet another poster living there that could not be bothered to try to learn the local lingo?

4/ boasting of 'sexual conquests' whilst still hung up on one particular lady..

That was 'useful' to you?.

I mean other than those things. The tattoo thing featured heavily but I think there was a lot of philosophy behind what Japs did and realisation of who he was and where he wanted to be. Japs kind of had his sh*t together, he had found who he was, he had a good business going, he was dating beautiful women and he was in the place he wanted to be, at least at that moment in time, possibly Russia, Moscow or something.

I know you and he did get along but then you don't with most people on here ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 23, 2020, 10:57:06 PM
Trench,

You believing the poster formerly known by various nicks as being 'grounded', speaks volumes.

I am not posting on here to be 'popular'...If I see a TR that is positively advising all that is wrong re helping find a partner in the FSU, I think it is vital to say so and why.

That you would regard such 'advice' as 'worthy' is scary.

I have had two failed marriages, which means I accept I am not perfect.. but I do know 'pulling' is the  easier part and maintaining a LTR is a greater challenge.

Suggesting entering into various liaisons while still emotionally tied to another is unfair to other ladies and not a sign of stability.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on November 24, 2020, 12:39:21 AM
Trench,

You believing the poster formerly known by various nicks as being 'grounded, speaks volumes.

I am not posting on here to be 'popular'...If I see a TR that is positively advising all that is wrong re helping find a partner in the FSU, I think it is vital to say so and why.

That you would regard such 'advice' as 'worthy' is scary.

I have had two failed marriages, which means I accept I am not perfect.. but I do know 'pulling' is the  easier part and maintaining a LTR is a greater challenge.

Suggesting entering into various liaisons while still emotionally tied to another is unfair to others and not a sign of stability.
That would suggest that you are the last person to be giving advice on dating or seeking relationships and then compounding that by maintaining that your way is the only way and all other perspectives are wrong. (WOVO vs WMVM)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
That would suggest that you are the last person to be giving advice on dating or seeking relationships and then compounding that by maintaining that your way is the only way and all other perspectives are wrong. (WOVO vs WMVM)


I disagree, to a degree.


No one can really give advice on relationships, because what individuals want in a relationship varies. From reading this forum, I get the impression that what most men here seek is a woman to whom they are physically attracted, and anything beyond that is just gravy.  The fact marriages to FSUW occur quickly, without a common language, or culture, reinforces my perception.  However, beauty fades with time, both in terms of getting used to what your wife's looks, and the ravages of time.  Most of you are shallow. :P


I do agree that "WOVO vs WMVM" is down to personal preference and a man's personality.  A man who doesn't date widely at home, and is not charismatic, probably isn't going to succeed with a "WMVM" approach.  Nor will a man who doesn't enjoy dating a variety of women at home.  I think this is what moby misses.


This post was composed without the aid of google.



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 24, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Boethius,

I think it is pretty safe for me to paint myself as not lacking in charisma..that's just a fact...I have no problem with engaging total strangers ..Are we 'shallow' for seeking a woman who attracts us with good looks / nice figure...Hell, yes. I must be one of the shallowest..I just seek it in someone closer to my years..my consession to 'reality'.. as I am getting older and realise we have a finite time on the planet, that other things become important.

Choosing a partner is not something to rush..VM is too much like buying at an auction. Bargains to be had as well as you land land lemon in a moment of blood rushing to the head )







I have tried both VM and VO and the former SUCKS.

It is some 'excuse' used by members for an ego trip..or "Oh, I need to justify my time"....

Very few would adopt the same tactic at home.

If you are seriously looking for wife..No WAY one can tell on one date, with the clock ticking before the next.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2020, 07:05:26 AM
That would suggest that you are the last person to be giving advice on dating or seeking relationships and then compounding that by maintaining that your way is the only way and all other perspectives are wrong. (WOVO vs WMVM)

Exactly, Mobe calls me out for giving advice based on my 'failures' at dating and then does exactly the same lol. Sure he's relationships have been more long term but two have failed to date in marriage, then there are any non marital relationships we may not know about on top of that.

He's argument appears to be that he as such knows where it can go wrong, I could argue the same :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2020, 07:16:34 AM
Choosing a partner is not something to rush..VM is too much like buying at an auction. Bargains to be had as well as you land land lemon in a moment of blood rushing to the head )







I have tried both VM and VO and the former SUCKS.

It is some 'excuse' used by members for an ego trip..or "Oh, I need to justify my time"....

Very few would adopt the same tactic at home.

If you are seriously looking for wife..No WAY one can tell on one date, with the clock ticking before the next.

I think it depends on the person. Some people don't really know themselves, some think they do but they don't, some perhaps many people may go their whole life without really finding out who they are. If you know yourself then you know exactly what to look for so a VO is obviously the way to go, probably the only way. If you don't know who you are (and the girl may not know who she is) then a VM is a good option as you get to meet a wide variety of people and it gives you a better idea of the differences and what suits better.

When I was in Lviv as you recall I tried VM, it was my first time at it and mistakes were made as it's an almost entirely different process to VO. So my VM ended up as meeting two different girls the bare minimum to avoid it being seen as another VO. I'm now glad I met both. The first girl as you may recall I didn't get on with, she smoked too much, kind off a party girls, too dominant, etc. The second girl was way more on my wavelength but I fluffed it up due to lack of experience dating FSW. Meeting the two though showed me what I way more preferred. That's not to say had I gotten into a full on relationship with girl two that it would have worked out just that she was by far the better option compared to girl one.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2020, 07:26:00 AM
Trench,

You believing the poster formerly known by various nicks as being 'grounded', speaks volumes.

I am not posting on here to be 'popular'...If I see a TR that is positively advising all that is wrong re helping find a partner in the FSU, I think it is vital to say so and why.

That you would regard such 'advice' as 'worthy' is scary.

I have had two failed marriages, which means I accept I am not perfect.. but I do know 'pulling' is the  easier part and maintaining a LTR is a greater challenge.

Suggesting entering into various liaisons while still emotionally tied to another is unfair to other ladies and not a sign of stability.

Indeed, I know, still not sure why the username Japtats, I get the tats is for tattoos, but the Jap part, Japanese tattoos? I'm probably wrong on that guess, lol.

I think Japs may have not gotten everything quite right possibly, difficult bro say he has to work he's life the way he sees it. It may not be fair to the lady but out in the FSU/Ukraine many things aren't fair, that is life out there, being too fair out there doesn't tend to be rewarded nor indeed part of their society to any great extent.

Japs gave me some great advice and that has really come through for me off recent. Still a way to go and although it didn't happen directly as a result of his advice he did notice stuff about me and where I needed to be. I'm hoping he will return one day, he's younger than me but despite a few misgivings I think has a great take on life.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 25, 2020, 08:17:37 AM
Indeed, I know, still not sure why the username Japtats, I get the tats is for tattoos, but the Jap part,

Japs gave me some great advice and that has really come through for me off recent.

Please share.. as I missed you announcing you were now in a LTR
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
Please share.. as I missed you announcing you were now in a LTR

Ooo Mobers, now is not the right time to share, but I will in due course.

Not everything is about an LTR Mobers.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 25, 2020, 11:00:43 AM
So... you are talking to someone on a regular basis, hopefully.

Good luck)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 25, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
I could argue the same :)


Not really.  Serial short term dating is not the same as a failed marriage, particularly one that lasted years.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Davo on November 25, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
A lot of trenches theories and comments reminds me of conversations with friends when we were in our early teens at high school. None of us had any real
relationship experience to draw on so often conversations were not based in reality, but fantasy.

I know trench hasn’t ever had a serious relationship or probably even a girlfriend, because he avoids answering when i’ve asked the question several times. Also the fact a lot of this comments just seem strange to guys like myself who are the same age, have courted a woman, got married, raised a family, divorced and then started and entered new relationships.....On that point trench, there’s a lot of quality advice a divorced man can give you that a long term happily married man can’t.

I think if he’s lucky to eventually find the right woman for him and experience his first relationship he’ll look back on his comments here and see just how far off the mark he has been, but finding that first woman to give him a go is the tricky part. He needs to trust the experienced people here, even those who are divorced and make the changes they suggest before continuing.

Trench, Bill have you a gem a few months ago and you totally ignored it re-: missing the most important step in modern FSU dating.... Video chatting and building chemistry online before meeting. You obviously lack the ability to do this in real life because of your lack of experience with women, so I don’t understand why you avoid video chatting.

It’s far easier to build chemistry online first, than building chemistry from scratch face to face. I’ve been on a few blind dates since my divorce and don’t have problems with building chemistry, while meeting a woman who’s essentially a stranger, but i’ve learnt from experience that chatting for a week or two reduces the pressure and makes for a more comfortable and ultimately successful first date.

 The guys who give you advice here are light years in front of you and me when it comes to FSU dating and experience with “good girls” . I’ve been lucky to have met two of theses women, but you have yet to meet even one who’s genuinely interested in you..... you have a case of failing to launch when it comes to fsu dating and women in general, but all is not lost if you just listen to the experienced people replying to you in this thread.

As a man approaching his mid 40’s like me, all you should take from Japs report is it’s an interesting read, but has little relevance to us. We are in a totally different situation to him..... He lives in Russia, we don’t. He’s dating younger women, we aren’t (if we’re realistic). He can meet numerous fsu women everyday in real life, we can’t. Our strategy is simple.... Meet women online and use all the tools available to get to know her and see if there’s mutual chemistry, then see if that chemistry is there in real life.

I still see myself as a newbie and I’ve been passing what I know to random guys I meet online who are complete beginners. No exaggeration, it takes approximately an hour chatting on the phone to give them enough information to successfully meet genuine women after several days online.... Women that seem to be good girls on paper and worthwhile planning a trip to meet them. One was in love with a visa scammer in January. After some guidance he’s turned things around and made two trips to Turkey to met 5 wonderful FSU women. His worry atm is which woman to choose to purse further....they all have great qualities . You have infinitely more knowledge than him, so you need to ask yourself why you’re struggling with the first and in my opinion the easiest step of this adventure.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 25, 2020, 04:32:06 PM

p.s, as a man approaching his mid 40’s like me, all you should taken from Japs report is it’s an interesting read but has little relevance to us. We are in a totally different situation to him..... He lives in Russia, we don’t. He’s dating younger women, we aren’t. He can meet numerous women everyday in real life, we can’t. Our strategy is simple.... Meet women online and use all the tools available to get to know her and see if there’s mutual chemistry, then see if that chemistry is there in real life.

I don't live in Russia, been to Russia many times, nor do i actually live in Ukraine, but more like jump between FSU and digital nomad. I have dated a lot of women though, but dismiss the ones where i feel we are not a right match. Women tend to tell you the right things, until you actually date them, and see the ones who are legit, and the ones who are just lazy.

I actually follow the talk to many, visit one approach, but invite them to go to another city with me, and spend my time with them. That is what i did with all my Russian girlfriends, and wouldn't do it any differently currently. My fiance would have never stuck with me for 8 months whilst i was financially broke, if i was talking to many different women. We both were committed to each other, spend hours video each day, and that is the only reason it lasted as long as it did.

Now i do not commit to women, i don't like to open myself up to every woman i meet. And rather see where it leads.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 25, 2020, 08:39:45 PM
I don't live in Russia, been to Russia many times, nor do i actually live in Ukraine, but more like jump between FSU and digital nomad. I have dated a lot of women though, but dismiss the ones where i feel we are not a right match. Women tend to tell you the right things, until you actually date them, and see the ones who are legit, and the ones who are just lazy.

I actually follow the talk to many, visit one approach, but invite them to go to another city with me, and spend my time with them. That is what i did with all my Russian girlfriends, and wouldn't do it any differently currently. My fiance would have never stuck with me for 8 months whilst i was financially broke, if i was talking to many different women. We both were committed to each other, spend hours video each day, and that is the only reason it lasted as long as it did.

Now i do not commit to women, i don't like to open myself up to every woman i meet. And rather see where it leads.

Great to see you are back Japs and your trip report thread restored :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 07:17:38 AM
Your post was excellent, Davo


 


Bill have you a gem a few months ago and you totally ignored it re-: missing the most important step in modern FSU dating.... Video chatting and building chemistry online before meeting.


Not sure I agree that Beel still believes V.chat should be used to filter out ladies you'd not want to meet in a VM trip, but if he did mean that, I apologise
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 08:19:00 AM
Your post was excellent, Davo

Oh you think. Davo has done some very good posts in the past. I think this time though he's post is everything that is wrong with society, "...a lot of this comments just seem strange to guys like myself who are the same age, have courted a woman, got married, raised a family, divorced and then started and entered new relationships.....".

What I'm about to say isn't a crack at Davo it's what people in society derive in general that they see just getting the above done with whoever and as soon as you can as what you should buy into in life. Instead of looking for the life you want to lead and finding out and fulfilling who you are the trappings of marriage, house and kids as soon as with whatever woman will be willing to 'go along with it' as the way forward in life.

Society is being built on false notions and it's not leading to much happiness. It's why drug use is increasing and mental health is declining as people try to come to terms with the unhappiness this has brought into their life.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 08:24:11 AM
Oh you think. Davo has done some very good posts in the past.

His post seemed particularly aimed a helping you... some helpful critique..

Seems that after all this time, you might me a little less selective and pay less heed to claim to be iconoclastic
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 08:31:12 AM
Oh you think. Davo has done some very good posts in the past. I think this time though he's post is everything that is wrong with society, "...a lot of this comments just seem strange to guys like myself who are the same age, have courted a woman, got married, raised a family, divorced and then started and entered new relationships.....".

What I'm about to say isn't a crack at Davo it's what people in society derive in general that they see just getting the above done with whoever and as soon as you can as what you should buy into in life. Instead of looking for the life you want to lead and finding out and fulfilling who you are the trappings of marriage, house and kids as soon as with whatever woman will be willing to 'go along with it' as the way forward in life.

Society is being built on false notions and it's not leading to much happiness. It's why drug use is increasing and mental health is declining as people try to come to terms with the unhappiness this has brought into their life.


YOu are right, there are many women i know who want kids with me, happy to stay with me in FSU. If i used rwd standards on what defines success 'being married', i would maybe be unhappy. A lot of people think getting a woman to say yes is hard, it is not. What is hard is a woman actually choosing to have a family with you, to commit to you for life, being happy to live with you if it is the west or the FSU.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: treadmilldude on November 26, 2020, 10:36:25 AM
japtats  =  DragonKid
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BillyB on November 26, 2020, 10:47:34 AM
japtats  =  DragonKid


Who told you that?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 11:17:13 AM
Your post was excellent, Davo

Not sure I agree that Beel still believes V.chat should be used to filter out ladies you'd not want to meet in a VM trip, but if he did mean that, I apologise

Bill believes that V chat should absolutely be used in visit one and not in visit many.

Trench should spend 10 hours per week in video chat with real women.
He would get better at talking to women and eventually gain confidence.
Women love, love, love confidence!

Trench makes excuses, such as he is knackered after working at his
grueling part time job and 6 month long remodeling project where
he hammers in 11 nails 2 days per week.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 11:25:40 AM
If i used rwd standards on what defines success 'being married', i would maybe be unhappy. A lot of people think getting a woman to say yes is hard, it is not. What is hard is a woman actually choosing to have a family with you, to commit to you for life, being happy to live with you if it is the west or the FSU.

I could have married countless women, but I kept looking until
I found the woman of my dreams. Then I spent one year and
six trips (4 to her and 2 to me) to make sure she was the one.

I think you are making your assessment of RWD standards based on
one very opinionated member that disagrees with nearly everybody
about nearly everything.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 12:32:50 PM

Who told you that?

Do you think it is 'fake news', BillyB  ?;)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 12:37:45 PM
His post seemed particularly aimed a helping you... some helpful critique..

Seems that after all this time, you might me a little less selective and pay less heed to claim to be iconoclastic

I'm not iconoclastic for the sake of it, only when I see a gapping hole people are repeatedly falling into.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 12:47:01 PM
I'm not iconoclastic for the sake of it, only when I see a gapping hole people are repeatedly falling into.

You'll have to explain you expertise in avoiding said 'gapping' hole ...  Are you saying better not try and fail ( and learn by your mistakes ) period ?

Come on, Trenchie, it really comes across like you are making excuses, now ! ;)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 12:47:19 PM
Bill believes that V chat should absolutely be used in visit one and not in visit many.

Trench should spend 10 hours per week in video chat with real women.
He would get better at talking to women and eventually gain confidence.
Women love, love, love confidence!

Trench makes excuses, such as he is knackered after working at his
grueling part time job and 6 month long remodeling project where
he hammers in 11 nails 2 days per week.

The last paragraph feels too true, lol. I nearly always feel that I hardly get enough work done, but it's getting colder now so it's even harder.

I can talk to women all day long if I want, I'm confident talking to women in general. It's a different case talking to women where there is chemistry, that's not as easy but it's easier if online dating has taken care of the preliminaries and know something about her and something to talk about.

Unfortunately you only ever know if there is chemistry until arrival. So while a girl won't likely stick around if you haven't been chatting a lot beforehand (v chat, etc) if there is no chemistry it does the ditching the girl and move on part easy.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 12:53:37 PM


Unfortunately you only ever know if there is chemistry until arrival.

 :ROFL:

Nope..  I invited my future first Russian wife to Cyprus and had a pretty certain idea she was going to be the one..

Sadly, that didn't work out and 9 years later I flew to Sochi to meet SC knowing we had something, even though she likes to chew Garlic ;)


I'm not saying I'm more correct.. just that you made an assertion that I simply have not experienced .. 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 01:10:30 PM

I think you are making your assessment of RWD standards based on
one very opinionated member that disagrees with nearly everybody
about nearly everything.

Correct
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 01:30:07 PM

YOu are right, there are many women i know who want kids with me, happy to stay with me in FSU. If i used rwd standards on what defines success 'being married', i would maybe be unhappy. A lot of people think getting a woman to say yes is hard, it is not. What is hard is a woman actually choosing to have a family with you, to commit to you for life, being happy to live with you if it is the west or the FSU.

Indeed, that's exactly right. A lot guys will go to the FSU to meet a girl with below par looks or at best everyday looks and then coo on about how they are the greatest, and succeeded in meeting a wonderful and beautiful woman. Now she may not be the biggest minger going and attractive enough to get off with and still get it on but in their heart of hearts they are just coming themselves. In fairness some won't be that bothered about looks and will be actually into the person. Most others will be that they get on well enough with the person but won't admit to others and probably not themselves either that they felt that she was just the best that they can get, nothing necessarily wrong with that but then going off and spouting about 'suceeding' and being with a top woman is just laughable.

I myself could have gotten with UK women and like yourself Japs could easily land a FSW if I went for one of the less wanted women, but they normally come with downsides, sometimes several, it might just be looks or it could be more as well. For me I couldn't feel right risking passing on genes to offspring that would make them come last in life and pretending I've played a blinder.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: treadmilldude on November 26, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
DragonKid, you are making a huge, huge, huge mistake covering yourself in tattoos. I cannot emphasize enough what a colossal mistake you are making by covering yourself in tattoos.

Seriously DragonKid, no more tattoos, you need to stop it. It is going to be much more difficult now for you to find a marriage-caliber woman with all of the tats. You can still do it of course, but you just shrank the available pool of women for marriage for yourself by probably 90 to 95%. Why would you just make it exponentially harder for yourself to find a high-quality woman for marriage by covering yourself in tattoos ??  (Face Palm) 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 01:37:51 PM
I'm not saying I'm more correct.. just that you made an assertion that I simply have not experienced ..

I've video chatted with FSW and gotten on well talking to them on v chat. We talked about many topics we could relate too. I found them hot when talking to them on v chat and they seemed attracted to me. I've gone to meet some hot women based on that but when on meeting it went flat.

I think your problem is Mobers that you don't understand that you can think you can have one thing but really instead have another and be oblivious to it all.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
The last paragraph feels too true, lol. I nearly always feel that I hardly get enough work done, but it's getting colder now so it's even harder.

Trench, STOP MAKING lame excuses. I know of 15 year old overweight teenage
boys who had to clean the school urinals that whine less than you do.

I worked 80-90 hours per week living in a camp trailer in 5 miles down
a dirt road in North Dakota with ICE inside the walls. The water didn't
work because it was frozen for 4 months straight.

I heated up water that I packed in with a microwave to take a shower
every day. I went down to a shower place that cost me a buck a minute
twice per week for a 15-20 minute "Hollywood Shower"

http://youtu.be/nqMnnJ5LWCc

One evening the window on my car opened and wouldn't close. It was
-19F (-28C). This was 3 days before I was going to see Angel Eyes for
the 3rd time.

I was a member of the forum back then. Go back and find a single post
where I complain about it. Go find a single post where I used it as an
excuse or it held me back in any way. This was where I lived when I
met Angel Eyes.


NOTE: If you can see white bone poking out of your skin,
or you can see arterial blood squirting more than two inches in the air then you
have a valid excuse to stop doing what I recommend. Otherwise, it's a lame excuse. 



I can talk to women all day long if I want, I'm confident talking to women
in general. It's a different case talking to women where there is chemistry,
that's not as easy but it's easier if online dating has taken care of the
preliminaries and know something about her and something to talk about.

Obviously, you aren't confident talking to a woman in general with possible
romantic implications. You need to practice just like you've been told dozens
of times by various members of this forum. I am right and you are wrong.


Unfortunately you only ever know if there is chemistry until arrival. So
while a girl won't likely stick around if you haven't been chatting a lot
beforehand (v chat, etc) if there is no chemistry it does the ditching
the girl and move on part easy.

You need the practice, so go do it.

Unfortunately you only ever know if there is chemistry until arrival.

Moby thinks otherwise but he is wrong.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 02:21:19 PM
DragonKid, you are making a huge, huge, huge mistake covering yourself in tattoos. I cannot emphasize enough what a colossal mistake you are making by covering yourself in tattoos.

Seriously DragonKid, no more tattoos, you need to stop it. It is going to be much more difficult now for you to find a marriage-caliber woman with all of the tats. You can still do it of course, but you just shrank the available pool of women for marriage for yourself by probably 90 to 95%. Why would you just make it exponentially harder for yourself to find a high-quality woman for marriage by covering yourself in tattoos ??  (Face Palm)


Ask on my trip report. I am not going to floor Trench's thread about my tattoos.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 26, 2020, 02:25:56 PM

Moby thinks otherwise but he is wrong.

Moby can STILL see your posts .. and it is pretty clear YOU are wrong, given it has clearly worked out twice ...  ( even though I failed on the maintaining the relationship part )

'Chemistry' was achieved and a VO confirmed it

That you espouse a method ( VM) whereby you lucked into your lovely wife should be a sticky ;)







Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 26, 2020, 02:26:43 PM
Moby disagreeing, that we only ever know if there’s chemistry on arrival. Read his very own words below  :rolleyes:


Nope..  I invited my future first Russian wife to Cyprus and had a pretty certain idea she was going to be the one..

Sadly, that didn't work out and 9 years later I flew to Sochi to meet SC.....

Literally the worst advice......ever.  :rolleyes:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 26, 2020, 02:29:18 PM
.. and it is pretty clear YOU are wrong, given it has clearly worked out twice ...  ( even though I failed on the maintaining the relationship part )

This is gold   :deadhorse:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 03:19:15 PM
Moby disagreeing, that we only ever know if there’s chemistry on arrival. Read his very own words below  :rolleyes:

Literally the worst advice......ever.  :rolleyes:


Why?  What, exactly, is "chemistry"? 


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 04:03:08 PM

I myself could have gotten with UK women and like yourself Japs could easily land a FSW if I went for one of the less wanted women, but they normally come with downsides, sometimes several, it might just be looks or it could be more as well. For me I couldn't feel right risking passing on genes to offspring that would make them come last in life and pretending I've played a blinder.

I think it is something i resonate with at the moment. I am getting with a lot of women, but part of me knows once i sort out a few things, i will attract even better. But then again, at what cost? Sometimes i think it is better to meet someone a bit more simple, and give them the support to truly blossom. My tattoo master i learnt is trolling women on tinder, he is ukrainian makes pretty good money, maybe 4x what average ukrainian makes, but he has been beaten up so many times. I am very harsh, and quick to end things and move on, i don't let a pretty face fall me, if there is not real connection (sex is different, and i don't count this as a connection)

He goes on tinder pretending he is rich, from our talks, i understand deep down he is hurt , he tells me to go for simple girls. I think that is what he learnt the hard way. Maybe what you want to get, you end up getting, but it is not what you actually want in the end, and you learn this the hard way. A woman can truly destroy you.

A lot of billionaires marry simple women, because in the end they realise those are the type of women that actually cherish them. But this is something i am still figuring out myself. 2Tall sometimes says find a woman crazy about you, and i think he is right, find a woman who is truly crazy for you, and help her blossom.

I am in the position for a woman not need to work. She can focus going to the gym, take care of the family, cook and clean. I prefer to find someone who has a good work ethic to make this happen, my issue is a lot of women i met were lazy. Some had the gym aspect down, but they were just way not for me, some were crazy for me, but had piss poor work ethic, and i quickly dump them. Some women are shocked, because they see the girls, and these girls are hot, but they are young and hot, give them 10 years, these women will be fat, and lazy.


I have a feeling if i was single at 50, i would have no issues dating women in their early 30's. I will be physically fit successful in what i do in life, and developed in such a good way. But where does it actually stop? Where do you draw the line at the best you can get? When i decided that i wanted to propose to my fiance, she was physically fit, killing the gym, top university, trainee Dr, she was like a model (when i posted pics, people were blown away). I felt that was my limit, and i think that is why i was focused on her.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 04:25:40 PM

Why?  What, exactly, is "chemistry"? 

Do you defend every post Moby makes? Chemistry as in living with someone, physical chemistry , talking on webcam is different from real life. Well maybe not for us men, but for women, they need to see a guy in real life.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 04:30:22 PM
I am not defending moby.  I merely asked a question.  But I will ask why you have a compulsive need to bring up his failed marriage in every third post.  Does anyone here bring up your two (or is it more) failed engagements?  Does anyone here bring up other posters' failed marriages?  It's rather irrelevant, isn't it?  BTW, there are other posters here with even higher numbers of failed marriages.  They've posted about them in the past.  I view those individuals as sensible posters who could give you good advice.  But, they don't engage with you at all, possibly because they don't want their pasts thrown in their faces.

"Chemistry" obviously means different things to different people.  It depends on what is important to that particular person/couple, what they desire in another person, what they want in life, their spiritual development, etc.  If you read what psychologists say, "chemistry" has almost nothing to do with the physical, it's all about an emotional connection.  All your definition tells me is what is important to you.

How do you know what women need IRL?  Particularly all women?  When were you last a woman?  Are you believing the sweet lies FSUW tell you?

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 04:40:17 PM


How do you know what women need IRL?  Particularly all women?  When were you last a woman?  Are you believing the sweet lies FSUW tell you?


Firstly what i post is a correlation, there are outliers. I think we all can agree when someone says something, they don't believe it is the absolute truth. Guess what, alot of science is correlations, not absolute truths.

Funny thing, last night i was talkign to a woman, she was from Kiev, never worked in her life, 24 years old, she said she didn't care what a man did for a living, wanted true love. She didn't care if a man lost it all, she would love him still. What do you think? A girl like that, dressed ellegantly, never worked a day in her life, first first tells me she is looking for true love. Do you think i should trust what she says?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 04:46:38 PM
What I think doesn't matter.  I'm not engaging with her.


I don't happen to believe correlations are particularly useful in human relationships. 


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
IDoes anyone here bring up your two (or is it more) failed engagements?  Does anyone here bring up other posters' failed marriages?  It's rather irrelevant, isn't it?  BTW, there are other posters here with even higher numbers of failed marriages.  They've posted about them in the past. 

What two failed engagements? I only been engaged once, and i been open about why that failed. it failed because it took me a long time to get myself up and running, she supported me 8 months whilst i was broke, but it got too much for her, then she wanted me back, but i closed myself to reconciling. It damaged me mentally, and i couldn't and still can't let myself be vulnerable. Are you telling people lies? Funny how quick you are telling Moby to edit his posts , deleting responses , but quick to go savage mode.


It is not irrelevant if Moby is screaming money does not matter, when his second wife left quick after his business took a hit. His post contradict his experiences, that is why it matters.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 04:50:44 PM

Why?  What, exactly, is "chemistry"? 


This post was composed without the aid of google.

Mutual romantic and physical attraction.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 04:57:13 PM

I am in the position for a woman not need to work. She can focus going to the gym, take care of the family, cook and clean. I prefer to find someone who has a good work ethic to make this happen, my issue is a lot of women i met were lazy. Some had the gym aspect down, but they were just way not for me, some were crazy for me, but had piss poor work ethic, and i quickly dump them. Some women are shocked, because they see the girls, and these girls are hot, but they are young and hot, give them 10 years, these women will be fat, and lazy.


For sure, most hot women will expect their looks to do the pulling work for them. They won't see a need to be good in the kitchen or be work orientated. It would probably be the FSW version of overthinking things, like I sometimes do, lol.

So a pretty girl knows that she has been gifted with good looks and starts getting off the back off it, few go for more as they see their getting what they want anyway. It's almost non sensical to do that. Western women may be a bit more different because feminism becomes in, career and hence ego start coming into play with all the, 'I'm a woman and I am the first, this or that' or 'I've done all of this and was told by (no one in reality) that I couldn't do it as a woman'. Career obsessed feminists big up their ego's on all of that stuff all the time lol.

The pretty girl is just waiting to be picked up by her Prince (a successful guy) that is what all the fairy tales and Hollywood tell them. In general it's based on truth, extremely few pretty girls settle for less, there is no need to. So it often comes down to what the guy wants. For sure he can have an insanely pretty girl enjoy banging her hard and then only have to pay for a real comfortable lifestyle for her, and possibly put up with someone who is a real horror to be around. On the better side of it she might like him and not be so bad to hang around. On the worst she will be with him but not regard him as anything at all in her mind.

So all depends on what you want, I think there's worth in a pretty girl though many of us guys fail to see the downsides and obsess over pretty girls. That or go for a plain girl who knows or comes to learn that she has to give more in other ways, and so has other stuff a guy may prefer in the end.

Or to put it another way there is the only saying that, "you don't look at the mantle piece when stoking the fire". Now knowing you're doing it on an ugly bird would be a turn off for me, not as a choice just by instinct. However, most everyday looking girls who are at least reasonable body wise it can be quite easy to get off on banging away on them. At that point they are essentially a pair off tits and arse, that's all required at that point, looking at their face is optional. So an everyday girl can provide that and often if she has any sense. Most people are everyday average looking so it's no come down. The guy can still get a lot of joy riding away on her :P
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 04:58:45 PM
What two failed engagements? I only been engaged once, and i been open about why that failed. it failed because it took me a long time to get myself up and running, she supported me 8 months whilst i was broke, but it got too much for her, then she wanted me back, but i closed myself to reconciling. It damaged me mentally, and i couldn't and still can't let myself be vulnerable. Are you telling people lies? Funny how quick you are telling Moby to edit his posts , deleting responses , but quick to go savage mode.

It is not irrelevant if Moby is screaming money does not matter, when his second wife left quick after his business took a hit. His post contradict his experiences, that is why it matters.

I have never told moby to edit his posts.  If he chooses to edit a post after Anonmod has edited it, that's his choice.  Every poster has that same right for a certain window of time.  I think it's an hour, but I'm not certain.  Yet again, evidence that you jump to conclusions and are so convinced you are "right", that you fail to take into account anything that contradicts that conclusion.

You don't know why moby's wife left him.  It's speculation on your part, and on the part of everyone else here, including me.  Maybe we should invite the ex and ask her directly, since you seem obsessed with the subject and all things moby.

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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
Mutual romantic and physical attraction.

Again, your definition.  I agree but personally, I think it's much broader than that.  I think a lot of mutual romantic attraction can be garnered online, as can physical attraction, I assume (no personal experience with either).  I mean, I've never met Brad Pitt, but I found him very physically attractive in the 1990's (particularly in the A River Runs Through It/Meet Joe Black period).  I doubt that would have changed had I met him IRL.


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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 05:03:31 PM
For sure, most hot women will expect their looks to do the pulling work for them. They won't see a need to be good in the kitchen or be work orientated. It would probably be the FSW version of overthinking things, like I sometimes do, lol.

So a pretty girl knows that she has been gifted with good looks and starts getting off the back off it, few go for more as they see their getting what they want anyway. It's almost non sensical to do that. Western women may be a bit more different because feminism becomes in, career and hence ego start coming into play with all the, 'I'm a woman and I am the first, this or that' or 'I've done all of this and was told by (no one in reality) that I couldn't do it as a woman'. Career obsessed feminists big up their ego's on all of that stuff all the time lol.

The pretty girl is just waiting to be picked up by her Prince (a successful guy) that is what all the fairy tales and Hollywood tell them. In general it's based on truth, extremely few pretty girls settle for less, there is no need to. So it often comes down to what the guy wants. For sure he can have an insanely pretty girl enjoy banging her hard and then only have to pay for a real comfortable lifestyle for her, and possibly put up with someone who is a real horror to be around. On the better side of it she might like him and not be so bad to hang around. On the worst she will be with him but not regard him as anything at all in her mind.

So all depends on what you want, I think there's worth in a pretty girl though many of us guys fail to see the downsides and obsess over pretty girls. That or go for a plain girl who knows or comes to learn that she has to give more in other ways, and so has other stuff a guy may prefer in the end.


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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 26, 2020, 05:07:58 PM

You don't know why moby's wife left him.  It's speculation on your part, and on the part of everyone else here.  Maybe we should invite her and ask her directly, since you seem obsessed with the subject and all things moby.

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it was timed perfectly after his business took a hit. Didn't he also post that she filed a police report on believing he was guilty of fraud? Speaks volume of her trust in him , how many years of marriage, and a spouse still can't trust her own husband. Yet he has the audacity to poke other people , and beat his chest that he doesn't need money bla bla bla..... Please.....
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
Japs has a point some people always try to paint themselves in the best light possible but the truth can be otherwise.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 05:19:33 PM
Again, your definition.  I agree but personally, I think it's much broader than that.  I think a lot of mutual romantic attraction can be garnered online, as can physical attraction, I assume (no personal experience with either). 

I believe that it can be garnered online, but it's not for sure until you meet
in person. Several times both myself and a woman I was chatting with thought
that we had mutual chemistry online, but then we met and we didn't. That's
why I say you only know for sure in person.

Sometimes you both want it to happen and possibly project feelings or thoughts
or ideas that don't really exist.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
it was timed perfectly after his business took a hit. Didn't he also post that she filed a police report on believing he was guilty of fraud? Speaks volume of her trust in him , how many years of marriage, and a spouse still can't trust her own husband. Yet he has the audacity to poke other people , and beat his chest that he doesn't need money bla bla bla..... Please.....

No, moby never posted that she filed a police report on him about fraud, at least, not based on what he posted at the time, and I read the entire thread about the demise of moby's marriage, mostly in real time, when it was posted.  I told moby straight out he shouldn't be posting about their relationship, as it was an intensely personal matter, and he shouldn't be airing their dirty laundry in public. Of course, I didn't do that assuming posters would then twist what was posted to score irrelevant "points" long after the fact.  I just thought it was wrong and without honour.  moby's ex also made a few posts, and then asked that all the posts be deleted, so they were.  So, any information you have from this has been gleaned mostly from posters who never saw those posts.  I think here, the only active posters who did see the posts before they were deleted are 2tallbill, Rosco, and John Gaunt.  And that's it.

Japs has a point some people always try to paint themselves in the best light possible but the truth can be otherwise.


Of course.  But the point is, we don't know the truth.

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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
beat his chest bla bla bla..... Please.....

I can beat up Moby for 100 things (and I do). I tend to comment on Moby
and not his exwife or their relationship because, that's too personal in
my opinion and she's not here to comment on it and they have both
moved on and I wouldn't appreciate people dredging up stuff about
my ex-marriage to my ex-wife even though it was +17 years or more
ago.

That's just my two kopecks

Bill

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Davo on November 26, 2020, 05:29:55 PM
Oh you think. Davo has done some very good posts in the past. I think this time though he's post is everything that is wrong with society, "...a lot of this comments just seem strange to guys like myself who are the same age, have courted a woman, got married, raised a family, divorced and then started and entered new relationships.....".

What I'm about to say isn't a crack at Davo it's what people in society derive in general that they see just getting the above done with whoever and as soon as you can as what you should buy into in life. Instead of looking for the life you want to lead and finding out and fulfilling who you are the trappings of marriage, house and kids as soon as with whatever woman will be willing to 'go along with it' as the way forward in life.

Society is being built on false notions and it's not leading to much happiness. It's why drug use is increasing and mental health is declining as people try to come to terms with the unhappiness this has brought into their life.

You misunderstood what I was getting at. Once I finish work I’ll clarify what I meant.

I’ll also talk about video chatting and the recent changes in scammers tactics (I’ll post some conversations). Since covid, it no longer matters if you are a WOVO or a WMVM man. If you don’t video chat with a woman regularly you won’t have any clue how to tell if she’s a scammer or not. Since the start of the year scammers have been using whatsapp and Skype. They have been video chatting (but not at the level of a genuine woman) and most worrying some are writing identically to genuine women and ask all the right questions. I’m currently chatting to one who has done a hell of a lot of research into my country and is very convincing. With visa scams non existent, i’m expecting it to be an emergency that needs $$.

The only way I can pick a genuine women now from these advanced scammers early on, is knowing that a genuine woman who likes you will typically want to video chat 3-4 times a week. I first saw them on free sites, but now they are on monthly subscription sites too.



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on November 26, 2020, 05:37:14 PM
I think here, the only active posters who did see the posts before they were deleted are 2tallbill, Rosco, and John Gaunt.  And that's it.


Of course.  But the point is, we don't know the truth.

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I never commented on Moby and Mrs ExMoby. At another place people
were piling on but I said leave them be and stayed away from the conversation.
I did see the posts your were talking about. I thought it was a mistake for
there to be a thread about it.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 26, 2020, 05:53:40 PM
I can't recall who commented (other than, of course, andrew), I was just noting who was an active poster there at the time.  I believe we are the only ones who were there, and are here now.  Yes, it was not moby's finest hour.  The ex didn't post much before asking that the thread be deleted, and it was.


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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Faux Pas on November 26, 2020, 06:19:25 PM
I never commented on Moby and Mrs ExMoby. At another place people
were piling on but I said leave them be and stayed away from the conversation.
I did see the posts your were talking about. I thought it was a mistake for
there to be a thread about it.

IIRC Moobs opened the thread and fueled it with plenty of fodder and yes the peanut gallery piled it on pretty hard. Yet, Moobs did seem to relish in it. I thought that it was all classless and didn't participate but I did rubberneck read it. I said to myself early on, "this won't end well"
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 26, 2020, 06:40:26 PM
I said to myself early on, "this won't end well"

Indeed, FP, if there's one thing I've learned from my not quite so stellar experience of dating FSW is that arguments are best avoided. That and keep dealings simple, yet Mobe insists on making complicated affairs out of his finances just to save a few pennies. Even a tight wad like me doesn't bother to go all trouble to save a few pence. Possibly that could have made her suspicious as she probably thought, 'why the hell would someone do all that unless their dodgy'. However taking flight is hardly a stand by your man moment. Something tells me that Moby wasn't standing on as sound foundations as he might himself off thought.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BillyB on November 26, 2020, 07:35:56 PM
Do you think it is 'fake news', BillyB  ? ;)




I already knew the truth. Just asking treadmilldude a question because I want to know how the rumor mill works here.


Some time ago, Dragonkid apologized for some things. I accepted. Although people disagree with this young man's path in life, he took a big step in the right direction. I sincerely hope he continues to grow in the right direction.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 27, 2020, 01:03:33 AM
Good  morning

My 1st Russian wife left me when she became convinced I must be have been acting fraudulently.
She learnt (much later ) that wasn't the case..but we lived 7 hours apart.

She saw how hard I worked to keep the businesses afloat. ..but what hurt me was that she could believe so, even mentioned it in her dating profile which someone from another place highlighted. I had announced our split and said another guy would be lucky to win her heart..

Boethius, I do not think V ever posted .she had been invited by the owner of the wife's forum....just observed what was being said and made a case for the thread to be nuked..about the only thing we agreed on back then.

BOTH of us said and did some stupid things..

The police WERE involved, following a complaint from V, but she withdrew it, as I pointed out I was RESPONDING and the Police simply suggested we both remove the respective Internet 'announcements'.. 

She moved to within less than a few minutes from me, recently and I helped her move in, having stored our furniture from our time together for over eight years

She and wifey get on great and wife appreciates how she has helped out during the first lockdown, delivering  shopping etc.

It seems some folk wish to try to denigrate my advice re how to behave in FSU countries by suggesting our collective stupidity during our breakup makes my extensive  experience less valid )
 ?

Trench,

while you suck up the AWFUL example others set, lurching from one temporary sex partner to another and think that is the way to go... you're never going to find a wife...

Sex is much better when you have it with someone who is a friend, knows what you like and you wake up lying next to them without regret or worrying how to keep them.. )









Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 27, 2020, 04:00:01 AM
Good  morning

My 1st Russian wife left me when she became convinced I must be have been acting fraudulently.
She learnt (much later ) that wasn't the case..but we lived 7 hours apart.

She saw how hard I worked to keep the businesses afloat. ..but what hurt me was that she could believe so, even mentioned it in her dating profile which someone from another place highlighted. I had announced our split and said another guy would be lucky to win her heart..

Boethius, I do not think V ever posted ...just observed what was being said and made a case for the thread to be nuked..

BOTH of us said and did some stupid things back then.. 

She moved to within less than a few minutes from me, recently and I helped her move in, having stored our furniture from our time together for over eight years

She and wifey get on great and wife appreciates how she has helped out during the first lockdown, delivering  shopping etc.

Well there we have it, I knew our Mobe would show us all how to go about forming a 'close' loving relationship. Why not just live 'only' 7 hours apart far better than living thousands of miles away from your other half after all and yet still consider that your still in a relationship. I'm guessing wife no. 1 thought helping out is the least she could do as she knows first hand what it's like living removed from your other half so much so that it makes you wonder if you ever were in a relationship with them ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 27, 2020, 07:53:07 AM

I already knew the truth. Just asking treadmilldude a question because I want to know how the rumor mill works here.


Some time ago, Dragonkid apologized for some things. I accepted. Although people disagree with this young man's path in life, he took a big step in the right direction. I sincerely hope he continues to grow in the right direction.


Thank you , and yes I was wrong about a lot of things I said in the past. I wasn't in the right mindset, nor had proper guidance. I wish I had some guidance by the likes of Jordan Peterson and so forth , which I think trench would benefit from listening to .
I don't think I said anything bad to anyone here , apart from one poster who clearly is a bully.

I don't claim to be a relationship expert , but despite what most will say . I did do very well as someone who was broke and took trips to the FSU , my partner's supported me and commited a lot . But there is only so much someone can take , and the path I chose was a very tough one , but paid off in the end .

I am more into developing myself , rather than reading how to charm a woman by saying something fancy in Russian . Maybe that is why my posts don't resonate with some , as I am more into big  life changing actions , than romantic actions
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 27, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
Why not just live 'only' 7 hours apart far better than living thousands of miles away from your other half after all and yet still consider that your still in a relationship.

Congratulations on managing to completely get the wrong end of the stick ( and my apologies if it wasn't clear enough ) !

We were separated when 7 hours apart ..  I took work in NE England and Scotland and V went to 'big smoke'

May be try reading, again with this clarification / hand holding, before posting the usual Trench 'relationship advice' ;)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 28, 2020, 12:51:37 PM

Thank you , and yes I was wrong about a lot of things I said in the past. I wasn't in the right mindset, nor had proper guidance. I wish I had some guidance by the likes of Jordan Peterson and so forth , which I think trench would benefit from listening to .

Jordan Peterson is very good on some subjects indeed. His You Tube video on 'Guys who are too nice' is exceptional in my opinion. Some of the points in that video I have already thought out in my mind previously and come to a similar conclusion like not finding someone exactly like you but not having someone widely different either. The point he makes on socializing kids is also a good one. So thank you for letting me know about him Japs he's stuff is indeed useful.

Some stuff he does I think can be more obvious/standard type of material though. He's view on marriage and family is true but not perfect as he kind of harks back to the way things used to be of marriages being difficult to get out off and thus beneficial as the couple either have to make it work or spend the rest of their lives tearing each other apart, that or disappear I guess lol. I think that while there is merit in that the downside is that there can be a lot of aggro in a marriage like in the situation that he mentions where they find out they are constantly at odds with each other or it turns real sour for some rest. So it can be that for some it's terrible to have it where there are no quickie divorces.

Myself I have gone through somewhat off a transformation over the past week. My world has changed almost overnight after a discovery about myself that I found out. It's kind of that I never really realized it before and it was a big part of me all along that had kind of been surpressed unwittingly by me. It's pretty much as a result of what Jordan Peterson points out in the video I just mentioned of agreeable people often never really knowing themselves as what it's surpressed (consciously or/and subconsciously) as the agreeable person doesn't want to upset anyone or go against what is societal consensus so much so that they adopt societal consensus or go with the other person's view to avoid conflict and become almost oblivious to their own mind.

That's not to say I can't be disagreeable occasionally, if something really bites me I can but most of the time I'm an agreeable person I think and till recent oblivious to a large part of myself. I was essentially on another forum I occasionally visit last weekend, a general relationship one. Anyway, I ended up asking a question and ended up discovering something about myself way more than I had anticipated. Essentially it boiled down to me not really knowing what I was looking for without me realising it as I didn't properly know who I was and had in that respect been living in a hole most of my life because of it. Looking back the signs were popping up here and there but I never really realised and connected the dots. This is not to say that I'm anything other than a straight guy btw just in case some members might be reading it that way (not bi, etc either). But it does mean that I should be able to pin point my search for a girl a lot more accurately now and will be a much different person moving forward on everything than I have been.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 28, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
I am very happy that you found Jordan value to yourself. I found him too late in my life, but it is nice listening to him. His advice is much different from other people on here, who would say learn russian language etc , he is more focused on developing yourself, he even talks about weightlifting , it is about taking control over your life, and not giving anyone that control. In ukraine a lot of people blame the system , thinking if they were in the West, their problems would disappear.

Do explain more about what you realised about yourself, on what you want in someone.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 28, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
OMG

Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple



 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 28, 2020, 09:07:32 PM
OMG

Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple

Based on what? That he harks back to the traditional marriage format of an unbroken bond. He admits himself it's not perfect but it's better than the current situation the western world is in. Just look at the drug rate, mental health problems and male suicide rates - all of them are way, way up. Is that a society that is working for its citizens? or one where it's citizens are in pain?

Peterson is what I believe sociologists call a functionalist. He explains how society can best function.

I think he's backing of the traditional marriage system is a bit old skool these days. I think people moved away from that system for a reason as it was too imperfect. Still even that is better than the state we are in today. I personally don't think going back is necessarily the best way forward though as it's just bringing back a system that has already been moved on from so the same grounds for moving on from it still exist even though western society is in a mess at present socially speaking.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on November 28, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
OMG

Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple
Please explain. I’m curious to know what an ‘intellectual’ misogynist is as opposed to just a simple misogynist.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 29, 2020, 12:43:43 AM
He’s a tenured university professor, ergo, an intellectual.

I don’t think  Peterson is a misogynist (unlike the majority of his fans), but he is dangerous, in that a lot of fools take his ideas as truth.

Here’s an article about Peterson that I read a few years ago.

http://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 29, 2020, 12:50:53 AM
He’s a tenured university professor, ergo, an intellectual.

I don’t think  Peterson is a misogynist (unlike the majority of his fans), but he is dangerous, in that a lot of fools take his ideas as truth.

Here’s an article about Peterson that I read a few years ago.

http://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

Google was used to retrieve the previously read article link.

It is really interesting you think he is not a misogynist, often feminists believe he is. And misinterpret what he says
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on November 29, 2020, 03:12:48 AM
He’s a tenured university professor, ergo, an intellectual.
He is an intellectual, I agree, but what is Moobs take on his correlation of ‘intellectual’ and ‘misogynist’.


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on November 29, 2020, 03:14:02 AM
Based on what? That he harks back to the traditional marriage format of an unbroken bond. He admits himself it's not perfect but it's better than the current situation the western world is in. Just look at the drug rate, mental health problems and male suicide rates - all of them are way, way up. Is that a society that is working for its citizens? or one where it's citizens are in pain?

Peterson is what I believe sociologists call a functionalist. He explains how society can best function.

I think he's backing of the traditional marriage system is a bit old skool these days. I think people moved away from that system for a reason as it was too imperfect. Still even that is better than the state we are in today. I personally don't think going back is necessarily the best way forward though as it's just bringing back a system that has already been moved on from so the same grounds for moving on from it still exist even though western society is in a mess at present socially speaking.


I would say what Jordan preaches is what fsuw want , a provider , someone who has strength to go through tough times , is dependable on . Not someone who hides behind love quotes , saying I love you more than anything in Russian.

Some people stand on the sidelines of life , some play the game and roll up their sleeves . Jordan is the type to play the game of life and not hide away.  He helps people to take hold of their lives , and no play games looking for loop holes

What fsuw want is a man that can provide , goes to the gym , actually moves his ass to make his dreams into a reality. If you go down the romance route , you are competing against FSU males who play that game , but they don't have what you have , which might be a drive and action to do better , and the finances to actually improve your partners life
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 29, 2020, 04:32:52 AM
OMG

Peterson is an 'intellectual' misogynist...pure and simple

In your opinion, why is he a misogynist?

I’ve read and watched some of his stuff and never once saw ‘a person who dislikes, despises or is strongly prejudice against women’. I believe he’s a married man with a daughter who successfully coaches women for career progression.

He's a man who tackles taboo subjects and dissects sensitive and potentially volatile topics including feminism and the gender pay gap, but he’s always spoken in a considered manner with well thought out ideas. Not everyone has to agree with him but it’s difficult to criticise his ideas or how he got there.

I’m guessing that you simply dislike the man (he’s another hate figure for the left) but you aren’t equipped to debunk his theories, so it’s easier for you to call him a misogynist.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 29, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Rosco,

As far as I am  concerned your empathy / understanding of others' situations may not be anything akin to mine.

Suffice to say, I am not surprised why we would not agree)

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 29, 2020, 10:30:27 AM
Is that your answer Moby??
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 29, 2020, 12:26:06 PM
I’ve read and watched some of his stuff and never once saw ‘a person who dislikes, despises or is strongly prejudice against women’. I believe he’s a married man with a daughter who successfully coaches women for career progression.

He has stated that feminists support Muslims because they have a "an unconscious wish for brutal male domination".  He has also stated he supports "enforced monogamy", and that "order is masculine".  So I think an argument could be made that he's a misogynist.  Married men, even those with daughters, can be misogynists (note - I am not saying Peterson is one).

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He's a man who tackles taboo subjects and dissects sensitive and potentially volatile topics including feminism and the gender pay gap, but he’s always spoken in a considered manner with well thought out ideas. Not everyone has to agree with him but it’s difficult to criticise his ideas or how he got there.

It's not at all difficult to criticize his ideas.

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I’m guessing that you simply dislike the man (he’s another hate figure for the left) but you aren’t equipped to debunk his theories, so it’s easier for you to call him a misogynist.

Peterson is someone who has figured out a way to make millions of dollars by exploiting rubes and misogynists.  He grew up in rural Alberta, which is not exactly known for its left wing ways.

I do think political correctness has gone overboard on university campuses.

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Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 29, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
Is that your answer Moby??

Is that a serious question, Rosco ?

As ever, another poster put it better than I could ... Peterson has made a pile from ( soft saps ) those who believe they are 'alfa' males ( misspelling deliberate  )..



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 29, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
He has stated that feminists support Muslims because they have a "an unconscious wish for brutal male domination".  He has also stated he supports "enforced monogamy", and that "order is masculine".  So I think an argument could be made that he's a misogynist.  Married men, even those with daughters, can be misogynists (note - I am not saying Peterson is one).

It's not at all difficult to criticize his ideas.

Peterson is someone who has figured out a way to make millions of dollars by exploiting rubes and misogynists.  He grew up in rural Alberta, which is not exactly known for its left wing ways.

I do think political correctness has gone overboard on university campuses.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

I’ve just watched the clips on YouTube regarding feminists choosing not to march against Saudi Arabia and you misunderstood his point, which was ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’. He’s suggesting that radical feminists choose to ignore the treatment of women in SA because they also aim to undermine the Westen patriarchy.

That’s different to what you suggest and it doesn’t make him a misogynist.

Nobody needs to agree with Jordan Peterson but he explains his thoughts well and leaves no doubt as to how he got there. Some people get upset because his message often makes a lot of sense so the anger gets directed at him.

None of this makes him a misogynist, not even the fact he came from rural Alberta.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 29, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
Is that a serious question, Rosco ?


As ever, another poster put it better than I could ... Peterson has made a pile from ( soft saps ) those who believe they are 'alfa' males ( misspelling deliberate  )..

For the third time, yes.

You said quite unequivocally that he’s a misogynist, what makes you say that? Having some followers who are right wing, insecure, white men simply doesn’t qualify.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 29, 2020, 02:03:56 PM
For the third time, yes.

You said quite unequivocally that he’s a misogynist, what makes you say that? Having some followers who are right wing, insecure, white men simply doesn’t qualify.

Rosco,

I've met Communists, Socialists, Conservatives and nigh on fascists who are / were misogynists ..

Let’s  start with a definition of a misogynist.. a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.


Peterson appeals to the latter. If you cannot see that..





Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 29, 2020, 02:23:16 PM
Rosco,

I've met Communists, Socialists, Conservatives and nigh on fascists who are / were misogynists ..
Let's start with a definition of a misogynist.. a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.


Peterson appeals to the latter. If you cannot see that..

So for the fourth time. Why is he a misogynist?

When I asked you the first time, I actually defined a misogynist so that you understood what you were claiming. Repeating what I wrote doesn’t answer the question.

Can you provide evidence to support your bold claim or will you just keep saying it and hope it sticks? Or are you claiming that some of his followers are misogynists so in Moby world, he has to be too?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 29, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
I’ve just watched the clips on YouTube regarding feminists choosing not to march against Saudi Arabia and you misunderstood his point, which was ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’. He’s suggesting that radical feminists choose to ignore the treatment of women in SA because they also aim to undermine the Westen patriarchy.

No, the male interviewer said for feminists, Muslims were higher on the victim hierarchy, and Peterson's response was as I noted.

FTR, I, as a feminist, have little interest in what's going on in Muslim countries, or in Europe, or in the US.  I just look at my country.  I think that's the case with most feminists. 
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That’s different to what you suggest and it doesn’t make him a misogynist.

I never claimed he was a misogynist.  But, one cannot deny, the bulk of his followers are incels/angry white men.

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Nobody needs to agree with Jordan Peterson but he explains his thoughts well and leaves no doubt as to how he got there. Some people get upset because his message often makes a lot of sense so the anger gets directed at him.

It's one position.  The issue I have with him is not his views, but that he believes that his is the only correct view.  It isn't, and it's rather ironic that Peterson criticizes "cultural Marxism", yet practices it himself.


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None of this makes him a misogynist, not even the fact he came from rural Alberta.

Again, I never claimed he was.  Please don't assume I support statements I have not espoused.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 29, 2020, 03:36:42 PM
No, the male interviewer said for feminists, Muslims were higher on the victim hierarchy, and Peterson's response was as I noted.

FTR, I, as a feminist, have little interest in what's going on in Muslim countries, or in Europe, or in the US.  I just look at my country.  I think that's the case with most feminists. 
I never claimed he was a misogynist.  But, one cannot deny, the bulk of his followers are incels/angry white men.

It's one position.  The issue I have with him is not his views, but that he believes that his is the only correct view.  It isn't, and it's rather ironic that Peterson criticizes "cultural Marxism", yet practices it himself.


Again, I never claimed he was.  Please don't assume I support statements I have not espoused.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

And for what it’s worth, I’m no fan of his either and I wouldn’t argue with much of what you’ve said. I think he shares similar traits to other professors and intellects who really dive into subjects and probably assume they know more than anyone else.

Then again sometimes we all find ourselves believing that only our views are correct, especially if it’s a topic close to our heart. Look no further than this very forum lol
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 29, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
Been watching Peterson just now on You Tube about Alpha men. Pretty much lines up with my thoughts about the way has been heading in a bad direction. Makes the point that I have often thought and I think made on here a while ago that if you double the amount of workforce by adding women you halve the salary. Thus far fewer men can support ba family in their own and that is what women often want by about the age of 30 which is often evidenced by falling birth rates.

The alpha male here are guys who work 80 hours a week in very stressful management level jobs. I think he makes a good point here too that these aren't 'fun' jobs that a lot of feminists seem to crave after. There an ordeal and could end up finishing off a man at a young age if they push it too far, examples are if course abound of that. That and while they do great at bringing the money in they can be poor choices for the woman in terms of an enjoyable and entertaining lifestyle since they are workaholics with no time for that. What I like about Peterson is that he takes stuff that has become myths and dispells it with the sober truth.

In my own field of Architecture/Construction there has been a big push to get females into jobs I the field. That's part of the reason I have chosen to walk from that and do my own thing. It not only lowers pay in jobs that can be stressful to poor salaries it also discriminates against you if you're a man as women will often be chosen as they tick the box. I'm going to laugh at the way things will look in the near future as I don't think they will enjoying the choices they made.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 05:42:35 AM
Trench,

You complained about Poles undercutting.. that's competition...so you wanted 'Brexit'..You complain about female Architects, so you left the profession ..

You complain that slim girls get taken by better off guys...

Am I the only one to see a pattern?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 05:49:07 AM
So for the fourth time. Why is he a misogynist?

Once again, you 'walk away' from discussing facts on other subjects and 'insist' I must explain my opinion?..))

It is my opinion based on his scribes / vids and those who agree with his scribes...

To me it is obvious









Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 30, 2020, 06:45:04 AM
Once again, you 'walk away' from discussing facts on other subjects and 'insist' I must explain my opinion?..))

It is my opinion based on his scribes / vids and those who agree with his scribes...

To me it is obvious

And to everyone else its simply another excuse for an emotional standpoint. You don't agree with him and instead casually throw around terrible and unjust labels like misogynist or racist without proving why. Don't worry you're not alone, its a shocking new trend and always from the same group.

If you don't agree with someones ideas you should beat them in a fair intellectual debate. IMO he's one of the few guys still trying to reach out to the radical left and save them from themselves but you guys cant take anything said from a far left hate figure. He's certainly not right on everything but because he doesn't conform as you would like him to, you casually throw names at him and hope it sticks.

At least you've shown your hand here, having ducked the question numerous times. I walk away from you on other occasions because it's endless, you'll never ever see anything from another view point, other than your own and I either waste my time debating or get moderated for it.

It's not the same Moby.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 07:49:12 AM
You don't agree with him and instead casually throw around terrible and unjust labels like misogynist or racist without proving why. Don't worry you're not alone, its a shocking new trend and always from the same group.

If you don't agree with someones ideas you should beat them in a fair intellectual debate.

At least you've shown your hand here, having ducked the question numerous times. I walk away from you on other occasions because it's endless, you'll never ever see anything from another view point, other than your own and I either waste my time debating or get moderated for it.


Even I will only bother to repeat myself so many times ...

You continue to prove your inability to see you are more than guilty of exactly the 'crime' you suggest for me ;)

I certainly do not seek your moderation, btw
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 30, 2020, 08:07:51 AM
Even I will only bother to repeat myself so many times ...

You continue to prove your inability to see you are more than guilty of exactly the 'crime' you suggest for me ;)

I certainly do not seek your moderation, btw

This wraps up our conversation nicely.

You fail to provide any evidence as to why you claim quite forthrightly, that Jordan Peterson is a misogynist, having been asked 4 times, other than your default position is to dislike him and some of his followers are questionable. It's quite clear to everyone else, that this alone doesn't make him a misogynist and your bold post up thread is in fact wrong. It's also quite sad that it took umpteen exchanges to bottom this out.

Now you misunderstand my simple reference to moderation. Stuff like this shouldn't be that difficult and it does make basic debate impossible. It's clear that discussing something more intricate like Brexit for example, is utterly pointless.

Hint - I'm not offering to moderate you, but referring to the moderators who need to referee this endless silliness, which IMO is a result of your thought process and writing style.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: msmob on November 30, 2020, 08:39:38 AM
This wraps up our conversation nicely.

Hallelujah
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 02:44:07 PM
you'll never ever see anything from another view point, other than your own and I either waste my time debating or get moderated for it.


You, and everyone else, gets moderated for attacking the poster, rather than the poster's idea.


You're not required to accept what a poster states, but you can do so without resorting to personal attacks.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Rosco on November 30, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
Attacking the poster, rather than the posters idea is sovietesk, in that it allows you do edit, blackmail or bin anything you personally don’t like. From the conversation above where you’ve quoted me, it would be impossible to give Moby an honest answer as to why I sometimes give up and disengage the silliness.

A moderator may consider it attacking but it’s not. Perhaps you should delete his question so I don’t have to answer?

Anyway, life’s to short for this stuff so I will do my best to abide by the Ts & Cs.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on November 30, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
I disagree with it being "sovietsk".  You obviously don't understand how the USSR functioned.  But, it's a policy instituted by the forum owner to make this a more pleasant posting experience for everyone, not just for posters who follow other posters around to hurl insults at them.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 11, 2020, 10:49:21 PM
I see from Japs reinstated trip report that Moby is banned, don't know if that is permanent. Personally I don't mind Moby, I see him as a bit of a laugh but can understand that he can be a bit much for many people to bear. That said I think it is also great that Japs can make a trip report without it depending into it being scrubbed often by I assume a falling out with Moby on said thread (again I assume as I often miss where I assume it turns into a online scrap is the impression I get from the little I hear about it). I know Moby has kind of scarred off a lot of new posters to this forum by being contensiously adversarial early on shall we say. I never minded that as to me it's quite fun to hear from someone who is a bit different to the norm and I don't mind if they disagree or oppose what I'm saying in a rather ardent way. I can see though that it's not most people's cup of tea to have to face that though. I kind of always thought that Moby would probably be best off limited to just bring allowed to post on just one thread just for him say a 'Moby's arguing thread' where he could take on all comers lol that and of course his beloved Brexit thread.

Also noticed that can't currently comment of Japs trip report thread just in case it's been missed. I think Japs is great to hear from and all his experiences in Ukraine and particularly his way of life now as it's a bit different to the usual so good off him to be here and put his input in :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 29, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Indeed, I ruled out single mothers fairly early in my search

You can't afford a wife at poverty levels, of course you can't provide
for a child.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 29, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
You can't afford a wife at poverty levels, of course you can't provide
for a child.

I think trench knows his financial situation, and has been reminded and put down for it numerous times already . To do point where it is getting somewhat toxic to bring it up constantly whenever someone disagrees with something trench says .
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 29, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
I think trench knows his financial situation, and has been reminded and put down for it numerous times already . To do point where it is getting somewhat toxic to bring it up constantly whenever someone disagrees with something trench says .

He's pretending that he is avoiding women with a child because
he doesn't want the baggage/responsibility. It wouldn't even be
legally permissible to file an American K1 visa for a women with
a child on Trenchies income.


Your fiance must be earning a minimum of £18,600 per annum or have
savings to be able to sponsor you. The level of this financial requirement
will increase if you are also sponsoring children as dependants
From http://www.visalogic.net/uk/uk-fiance-visa/4/25

The financial requirement will be an additional £3,800 for the first
child and an additional £2,400 for each further child.
From http://www.migrate.org.uk/fiance-visa-uk-financial-requirements/

I think Trench needs to find a girl who will like him and his part time
work, easy going, low motivation lifestyle. They can go to the park or
the library for fun. The UK gives a lot of handouts to the poor and/or
lazy.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 29, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
He's pretending that he is avoiding women with a child because
he doesn't want the baggage/responsibility. It wouldn't even be
legally permissible to file an American K1 visa for a women with
a child on Trenchies income.


Your fiance must be earning a minimum of £18,600 per annum or have
savings to be able to sponsor you. The level of this financial requirement
will increase if you are also sponsoring children as dependants
From http://www.visalogic.net/uk/uk-fiance-visa/4/25

The financial requirement will be an additional £3,800 for the first
child and an additional £2,400 for each further child.
From http://www.migrate.org.uk/fiance-visa-uk-financial-requirements/

I think Trench needs to find a girl who will like him and his part time
work, easy going, low motivation lifestyle. They can go to the park or
the library for fun. The UK gives a lot of handouts to the poor and/or
lazy.

My girlfriend and I discussed trench and some of the posters on here . Trench for us, is someone that wants a woman he can be proud of , to have something he can show the world . I don't think he would get that in his eyes with a woman who has a child.

A lot of men want the hottest and flashiest , young woman to compensate for something. Rather than a woman who cares for them . Trench may need to lower his standards , or just improve what he offers.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 29, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
My girlfriend and I discussed trench and some of the posters on here . Trench for us, is someone that wants a woman he can be proud of , to have something he can show the world . I don't think he would get that in his eyes with a woman who has a child.

A lot of men want the hottest and flashiest , young woman to compensate for something. Rather than a woman who cares for them . Trench may need to lower his standards , or just improve what he offers.


Trench can explain for himself what his goals are. I think everyone
wants to be proud of their wife or their kids or their life.

It's my opinion that Trench has limited non-fatty dating options
locally which is why he is looking at Eastern Girls. Trench can
correct me if I'm wrong.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 29, 2020, 02:43:24 PM
A lot of men want the hottest and flashiest

I don't want to make Trench the subject of the thread, so I
gave my opinion here. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24334.new#new

My goal was to discuss the pro's and con's and things to think about
when considering or pursuing a woman with a child.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 29, 2020, 03:03:07 PM

Trench can explain for himself what his goals are. I think everyone
wants to be proud of their wife or their kids or their life.

To a certain degree yes, but some don't really care so much , and would rather have a partner who cares for them on a deep level. They prove their worth by other ways : Fitness, business, careers and such. Jeff Bezos springs to mind, on contrast to Elon Musk. One is dating a woman similar to his age, the other goes for women who are in the lime light. Something that i am still trying to process , and think which of the two is actually doing it 'correctly'
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: I/O on December 29, 2020, 04:01:10 PM
which of the two is actually doing it 'correctly'
Grasshopper, there is no "correctly".
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 29, 2020, 06:14:20 PM

Trench can explain for himself what his goals are. I think everyone
wants to be proud of their wife or their kids or their life.

It's my opinion that Trench has limited non-fatty dating options
locally which is why he is looking at Eastern Girls. Trench can
correct me if I'm wrong.

No you are absolutely right :D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 29, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
You can't afford a wife at poverty levels, of course you can't provide
for a child.

The UK is not the US, the UK does not offer many men good pay opportunities, but instead the value is in property, potentially, that and being closer geographically to the FSU. Different FSW will want differrnt things, for some FSW a closer location will matter rathe than being the other side of the world. Then there is the matter of how the man treats the FSW to keep her onside. It doesn't necessarily mean reaching into ones pocket to do that as you full well know :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 29, 2020, 09:21:55 PM
The UK is not the US, the UK does not offer many men good pay opportunities, but instead the value is in property, potentially, that and being closer geographically to the FSU. Different FSW will want differrnt things, for some FSW a closer location will matter rathe than being the other side of the world. Then there is the matter of how the man treats the FSW to keep her onside. It doesn't necessarily mean reaching into ones pocket to do that as you full well know :)

I've highlighted this enough, I am not going to keep harping on this further.
I apologize for harping on your income as much as I have. I think you could
make more, but I am done harping on it.

In the US we make 40% more on average for the same job. We have a
smaller and lesser social safety net and less government provided services.
We like that in the USA. You live in the UK and they aren't going to let you
or me change the system.

Moving forward as it applies to finding a good girl for yourself in the FSU.
I believe that you need to sell your lifestyle as working fewer hours per week
with more time at home with your family.

I don't think you should sell your house. It's something that you've acquired
and it potentially creates a positive cash flow. I think that acquiring another
piece of property and building a positive cash flow might be a good key for
success in your situation.

I don't know how handy you are. I am skilled at remodeling and I have literally
hundreds and hundreds of contacts in the construction industry. It would be
easier for me to do this but you can research this and watch youtube how to
videos and become proficient at this as well.

With the covid recession, I think if you looked hard you could find a piece of
property that you could buy and fix up with the intention of making it a rental
property. You might have to move into it to get it going, but you are single now
and you have free time in order to get it fixed up. That might be a good plan
for you moving forward.

I think an enterprising young FSUW could see this as a way to building
success as well if you get her to buy into the plan of some day being
a property owner of many properties with a positive cashflow.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on December 30, 2020, 07:53:29 AM
I am skilled at remodeling and I have literally
hundreds and hundreds of contacts in the construction industry. It would be
easier for me to do this . . .

Hands on workers are localized.  So all the contacts you built up in Dakotas, Colorado and Wyoming are probably of little help to you in Texas.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on December 30, 2020, 08:15:07 AM
I've highlighted this enough, I am not going to keep harping on this further.
I apologize for harping on your income as much as I have. I think you could
make more, but I am done harping on it.

In the US we make 40% more on average for the same job. We have a
smaller and lesser social safety net and less government provided services.
We like that in the USA. You live in the UK and they aren't going to let you
or me change the system.

Moving forward as it applies to finding a good girl for yourself in the FSU.
I believe that you need to sell your lifestyle as working fewer hours per week
with more time at home with your family.

I don't think you should sell your house. It's something that you've acquired
and it potentially creates a positive cash flow. I think that acquiring another
piece of property and building a positive cash flow might be a good key for
success in your situation.

I don't know how handy you are. I am skilled at remodeling and I have literally
hundreds and hundreds of contacts in the construction industry. It would be
easier for me to do this but you can research this and watch youtube how to
videos and become proficient at this as well.

With the covid recession, I think if you looked hard you could find a piece of
property that you could buy and fix up with the intention of making it a rental
property. You might have to move into it to get it going, but you are single now
and you have free time in order to get it fixed up. That might be a good plan
for you moving forward.

I think an enterprising young FSUW could see this as a way to building
success as well if you get her to buy into the plan of some day being
a property owner of many properties with a positive cashflow.

Udachi!

Bill
No need to apologise, Bill.

It’s well known that Trench hasn’t the wherewithal to support a wife on his meagre income.
He knows this. That’s why he’s scared of importing a bride to live in penury because it won’t take long for said bride to twig how she’s been hoodwinked and look for better options.
Who wouldn’t, when exposed to the reality of Trench’s income.

Anyway, it’s all a pipe dream, Trench can’t afford the visa fees to begin with.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on December 30, 2020, 08:25:17 AM
The UK is not the US, the UK does not offer many men good pay opportunities, but instead the value is in property, potentially, that and being closer geographically to the FSU. Different FSW will want differrnt things, for some FSW a closer location will matter rathe than being the other side of the world. Then there is the matter of how the man treats the FSW to keep her onside. It doesn't necessarily mean reaching into ones pocket to do that as you full well know :)
Nonsense, there is every opportunity to earn a good income. You need to have the gumption to get out and earn it, not sit on your a**se and scheme up ways of dodging the taxman by living on the poverty line and dreaming of a property empire.
Your 2 up 2 down isn’t going to bring in the big bucks.

No women is going to want to live in drudgery for the sake of a shorter flight home.
She has much better options at home so why would she accept a lower standard of living in a foreign country and sacrifice her former life and family?

What exactly are you offering that is going to entice a woman to settle for you?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: DCCowboy71 on December 30, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
My goal was to discuss the pro's and con's and things to think about
when considering or pursuing a woman with a child.
wasn't the other thread about this?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: DCCowboy71 on December 30, 2020, 09:17:55 AM
Grasshopper
Glad to see this phrase is not lost (or you are old enough to remember) , I would almost wonder if "Padawan" would be "more correct" to use with this generation.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: I/O on December 30, 2020, 09:21:50 AM
or you are old enough to remember
I'm so old I don't remember..🤣
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2020, 10:14:30 AM
Hands on workers are localized.  So all the contacts you built up in Dakotas, Colorado and Wyoming are probably of little help to you in Texas.

I've been in Texas for 20 months, I have signed up over 600 contractors
in and around Austin Texas as potential customers. I call on contractors
all day long every day. I will probably talk to 5-7 different contractors
today.

I've talked to 3 contractors today before making this post.



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2020, 10:18:09 AM
wasn't the other thread about this?

It got moved to this thread.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 30, 2020, 01:41:26 PM
I've highlighted this enough, I am not going to keep harping on this further.
I apologize for harping on your income as much as I have. I think you could
make more, but I am done harping on it.

In the US we make 40% more on average for the same job. We have a
smaller and lesser social safety net and less government provided services.
We like that in the USA. You live in the UK and they aren't going to let you
or me change the system.

Moving forward as it applies to finding a good girl for yourself in the FSU.
I believe that you need to sell your lifestyle as working fewer hours per week
with more time at home with your family.

I don't think you should sell your house. It's something that you've acquired
and it potentially creates a positive cash flow. I think that acquiring another
piece of property and building a positive cash flow might be a good key for
success in your situation.

I don't know how handy you are. I am skilled at remodeling and I have literally
hundreds and hundreds of contacts in the construction industry. It would be
easier for me to do this but you can research this and watch youtube how to
videos and become proficient at this as well.

With the covid recession, I think if you looked hard you could find a piece of
property that you could buy and fix up with the intention of making it a rental
property. You might have to move into it to get it going, but you are single now
and you have free time in order to get it fixed up. That might be a good plan
for you moving forward.

I think an enterprising young FSUW could see this as a way to building
success as well if you get her to buy into the plan of some day being
a property owner of many properties with a positive cashflow.

Udachi!

Bill


To build a property empire, she will need to be a saver, and wait many many decades. Traits which i doubt he will find in a FSUW, they mostly spend what they have, rather than save. Act like they are rich, but behind closed doors are broke. He can move to FSU, he will be fine tutoring english, with some side money from the house rental (I suggest he goes to the S and P 500, and invests in a High dividend Yield Index fund). Lives off that many , many will want him.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: I/O on December 30, 2020, 02:03:25 PM
FSUW, they mostly spend what they have, rather than save. Act like they are rich, but behind closed doors are broke
Slightly overstated but largely true.

I don't think Trench would be well advised to sell the house in order to pay the rent..
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2020, 02:52:44 PM

To build a property empire, she will need to be a saver, and wait many many decades.

I know many Married Russian women living in the USA. Once they
get to know their way around a balance sheet, and watch a few
fix up this house series on HGTV she will change her tune. Angel Eyes
wants to be a home flipping, property acquiring tycoon.

They don't have the same rule of law and property rights in the FSU
as they do the West. Russian women aspire to be land barons and
property tycoons just like they do throughout the Western world.

Since this is very difficult and more risky in Russia and the interest
rates are quadruple or quintuple you see far less of them (none of
them at ages 18-25).

Many Russian women are savers too.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2020, 02:57:49 PM

To build a property empire, she will need to be a saver, and wait many many decades. Traits which i doubt he will find in a FSUW, they mostly spend what they have, rather than save. Act like they are rich, but behind closed doors are broke. He can move to FSU, he will be fine tutoring english, with some side money from the house rental (I suggest he goes to the S and P 500, and invests in a High dividend Yield Index fund). Lives off that many , many will want him.

I understand your theories but there is more than one way to
accomplish a goal. I know many, many rich people and maybe
one in thirty made their money in the market. I know many
more who made their money on their own company stock or
growing their own business or by developing property or by
coming up with a tech idea.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: I/O on December 30, 2020, 03:00:39 PM
Russian women aspire to be land barons and
property tycoons just like they do throughout the Western world.

Since this is very difficult and more risky in Russia and the interest
rates are quadruple or quintuple...
Nowadays, most of them pounce once someone dies and register their interest in whatever property is left.

It's largely still a smash and grab mentality rather than a logical wealth creation plan...
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 30, 2020, 03:06:10 PM
I understand your theories but there is more than one way to
accomplish a goal. I know many, many rich people and maybe
one in thirty made their money in the market. I know many
more who made their money on their own company stock or
growing their own business or by developing property or by
coming up with a tech idea.

Sadly buy to let mortgages are a lot more strict compared to few decades ago, also UK has laws that are now more against landlords. Index funds and property is nearly identical , they are good long term investments. But as I said , long term , need something else to make some money along the way .
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 30, 2020, 03:10:50 PM
Nowadays, most of them pounce once someone dies and register their interest in whatever property is left.

It's largely still a smash and grab mentality rather than a logical wealth creation plan...

Business acumen is rare in FSU, businesses try short scams, thinking they are smart , but lose long-term customers . An example, all the food I order , is one day from expiry . They hustled me out of small money, but no longer will I place orders for fresh food , this mentality is common , and people end up zipping their wallets.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: I/O on December 30, 2020, 04:16:09 PM
this mentality is common
It's all over the developing world. Much of Russia has moved on from this stage but not all. The former states are still lagging behind to an extent.

It's hard to beat it out of them, my Ol' lady is really only just getting ahold of it now and even she, under pressure, will tend to revert a little...
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Business acumen is rare in FSU

Trench ain't gonna teach her to pick pockets or swindle people.
If a girl is smart, then she can learn. Park her in front of HGTV
for 2 hours per day and see what she knows in a couple weeks.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on December 30, 2020, 07:20:51 PM
I understand your theories but there is more than one way to
accomplish a goal. I know many, many rich people and maybe
one in thirty made their money in the market. I know many
more who made their money on their own company stock or
growing their own business or by developing property or by
coming up with a tech idea.

Indeed, I agree Bill. There's a lot of buzz about investing in S&P at the moment. Initially it may do ok but I tend to take the view that once something gets caught on by a lot of people then in the end it doesn't tend to end well. The Landlord game was one such area till recent here in the UK but it's now being walloped by lots of legislation and increased taxation making it a lot less lucrative for many landlords. It's still possible to do quite well if you go about it the right way or just rent your house out to lodgers rather than tenants if just one house.

The other stuff you mention is very valid also. It's possible to make very good money playing the stock market or lose a lot, it's all down to risk. New tech or products can see someone home but it can be case of protecting your idea and cost to defend any infringement,  and cost to produce the product. If it's easily copied then some people do so and after selling lots of your product take all their money out of the business and fold up just as you're getting to the final court stages.

Starting up a business is another possibility but again it's not as easy as it sounds. The person needs to start up the right business, one where there are customers, not too much competition around, one where good profit can be made and one where there are no pitfalls that screw up the business concept. Loads of people doing the same business can really screw up profit margins. So not as easy as many people think, it can be a pretty tall order to get the right business and that can sometimes mean investing a lot of money. Some people have of course set up very profitable businesses on a very limited budget. A lot of people aren't so lucky though. Think there is a statistic floating around somewhere that for so many businesses that start up only so many survive, and it's not a high figure lol. So a lot of money can be wasted of trying to get a business going which will never be any good.

It sounds like Japs isn't doing too bad with his business if he gets a living wage out of it. Whether it can be developed to be anything bigger and more lucrative is another matter. If he gets a living wage and it is labour intensive and he can't scale up the business often by employing others then that probably won't be as good a business as one in which that can be done or a business that is not labour intensive but the money rolls in easy enough.

I think Japs should hold onto his house, it's not problem free but long term it's likely to be pretty solid. S&P may not be another bad option to get into over time. Possibly he could mortgage his house to get into it soon and his lodgers pay off the mortgage, that way he still keeps the house and gets into S&P. If things go bad with the house situation then he still can take out some money out off S&P.

I think his strategy of diversification is a good one so long as choices are chosen carefully. Too many eggs in one basket means the whole lot gets hit and in life of course sh*t often happens, in fact it can be pretty much counted upon to happen lol.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: japtats on December 31, 2020, 05:01:31 AM
It is your choice Trench, i just have many years experience with lodgers, short story, you are going to find out the tough way. Index funds spread the risk, s and p 500, is 500 of top companies in the US, my plan when i do sell my house, is invest in world index fund (even more spread about) . The key is spreading the risk, rather than investing in a few companies. Vanguard has world index funds for UK citizens.

Regarding my business, i don't plan on living off what i invest, i plan to invest my earnings from my business. But these days i tend to spend, life in Ukraine is costing me $1000-1200 a month, that is with my apartment $400, rest is my cost of living , i like to go out twice a week to a place to eat, taxis , food for two people , buy clothes for me, and treat a girl i am with to a dress or something once a week. I could get my spending lower, but i am not really fussed, i worked it out, that if i didn't touch my index funds , it would be worth nearly $2m in 25 years, i don't even need to add money to it. I don't need much for life, i don't need a flashy car, rolex's etc I am content with the materialistic items i have, i want to just have better skills for my business, my burning passion is seeing how far i am progressing in terms of my skills, also going gym is fun. The rest is background noise, what i earn comes naturally, as i improve my skills.

People focus way too much on money, and forget to actually get skilful in one area, and try to become the best in the world at that one thing. Chasing money imo doesn't work for me , chasing skill has worked for me. Also being generous , being a servant for others to aid them in their lives.


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on December 31, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
There's a lot of buzz about investing in S&P at the moment.

Trench,

The S&P500 isn't some sort of new fangled investment scheme.

Regardless of where you start out. If you put 10% of your income monthly in the
S&P for 30 years you will be a multimillionaire. You need to stop pooh-poohing
everything that doesn't align with your eclectic, often odd ball opinions.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 31, 2021, 06:02:17 PM
I don't agree with that.  One of our sons is slim, 6', probably 140 lbs, and he has girls throwing themselves at him all the time.  His personality type can handle all of the attention.


I don't think it's ever been true that slender men are at a disadvantage, or are seen as "weak".


I am fairly certain there are muscled men all over Ukraine.  There certainly were a lot in Kyiv during the Soviet period.  I imagine it's even more now, as that gym culture expanded after the collapse.

Maybe in the outer suburbs of Kiev but in the city centre I saw little of it. In the mobile phone shops I visited there tended to be slimmer & shorter than me. In the parks guys in linen type of shirts & chinos with their girls again all pretty slim. In the supermarkets much the same. In Odessa they have outside gym areas for working out in the summer, some You Tube videos on girls at Odessa beach show them.

I'm 6ft too & an average in looks judging from photofeeler but never had girls running after me that much but then my social ability is not that great, I tend to tire off long conversations. My guess is that your son has something else going for him either above average or better looks facially, good social ability, obvious monied background - nice car, etc to get that response. That said it all depends on what people's idea of slim is I guess. If there not seen as weak then I don't reckon they get any plus points for it either rather they don't lose any extra by being overweight.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on February 01, 2021, 02:09:20 AM
Maybe in the outer suburbs of Kiev but in the city centre I saw little of it. In the mobile phone shops I visited there tended to be slimmer & shorter than me. In the parks guys in linen type of shirts & chinos with their girls again all pretty slim. In the supermarkets much the same. In Odessa they have outside gym areas for working out in the summer, some You Tube videos on girls at Odessa beach show them.


I was last in Kyiv about 2 years ago, and I saw a lot of body building type men in the downtown area.  I was there for approximately 8 weeks.  I also see men of all heights.  I'm not particularly tall, but every man in my family is, including the better half.   My father, and all of my cousins, on both sides of my family, range from 6'2" to 6"8".  I'd say the heights of men in Ukraine that I see vary as much as they do where I live, and seeing men over 6 foot is very common.


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My guess is that your son has something else going for him either above average or better looks facially, good social ability, obvious monied background - nice car, etc to get that response. That said it all depends on what people's idea of slim is I guess. If there not seen as weak then I don't reckon they get any plus points for it either rather they don't lose any extra by being overweight.


Well, I am prejudiced about his handsomeness, as I'm his mother. When he moved out, he didn't take his car, which is 18 years old - he wanted to baby it by keeping it in the garage over the winter.  He lives centrally so walks everywhere.  He has been on his own for 2 years, and lives like most students do.  He hasn't received money from us since he moved out, although I pay for the odd Costco run for him.  His tuition, his rent, his clothing, entertainment, hobbies, etc., even his new laptop, are all self funded.  He also doesn't come from a monied background.  I would define our lifestyle as professional middle class.  His last serious girlfriend, who he broke off with, came from serious money, far, far more than I could ever imagine having.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 01, 2021, 10:40:14 AM

I was last in Kyiv about 2 years ago, and I saw a lot of body building type men in the downtown area.  I was there for approximately 8 weeks.  I also see men of all heights.  I'm not particularly tall, but every man in my family is, including the better half.   My father, and all of my cousins, on both sides of my family, range from 6'2" to 6"8".  I'd say the heights of men in Ukraine that I see vary as much as they do where I live, and seeing men over 6 foot is very common.



Well, I am prejudiced about his handsomeness, as I'm his mother. When he moved out, he didn't take his car, which is 18 years old - he wanted to baby it by keeping it in the garage over the winter.  He lives centrally so walks everywhere.  He has been on his own for 2 years, and lives like most students do.  He hasn't received money from us since he moved out, although I pay for the odd Costco run for him.  His tuition, his rent, his clothing, entertainment, hobbies, etc., even his new laptop, are all self funded.  He also doesn't come from a monied background.  I would define our lifestyle as professional middle class.  His last serious girlfriend, who he broke off with, came from serious money, far, far more than I could ever imagine having.

Well really a case of what genetics determines for us on looks so it's not like we get to chose how good looking we are that's all predetermined for us. So it could be that difficult to tell without knowing him but in general it's either that or good social ability that are the two main ones. A third is gym body but you've already said he is on the slimmer side. That is all of course assuming the girls are what I and most blokes would call quality girls and he's not going for the low hanging fruit. A lot of guys brag about the women they've had but those women may not have it in the looks front or are obviously overweight. Some men don't mind that and a girl doesn't have to be a model but some guys do strike well under on those fronts and consider it all the same. I think I recall you said you had another son who didn't date much but preferred to study, what do you think is the difference between the two of them?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on February 01, 2021, 02:04:40 PM
All the girls he's had as longer term girlfriends (more than six months) were pretty, and all were very intelligent, as that is what he likes.  They are all young, so slim.  Two were model beautiful.  One of the model like girls, he now agrees, was bat**** crazy.  The other one, he is still friends with, and I would not be disappointed if they ended up together.  However, it's his life, and neither the better half nor I interfere in the lives of our children.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Chelseaboy on February 01, 2021, 04:59:50 PM
Trench,

The S&P500 isn't some sort of new fangled investment scheme.

Regardless of where you start out. If you put 10% of your income monthly in the
S&P for 30 years you will be a multimillionaire. You need to stop pooh-poohing
everything that doesn't align with your eclectic, often odd ball opinions.


The average salary in the UK is £38,600.So somebody who puts an average £320 a month into S&P for 30 years of their working life from say 15 years ago will become a multimillionaire in 15 years time ?


How about the many minimum wage workers raking in £8.70 an hour,that would mean if they lob £150 a month into S&P  they can retire in 30 years on their Superyachts as multimillionaires ?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2021, 06:50:22 PM

The average salary in the UK is £38,600.So somebody who puts an average £320 a month into S&P for 30 years of their working life from say 15 years ago will become a multimillionaire in 15 years time ?


How about the many minimum wage workers raking in £8.70 an hour,that would mean if they lob £150 a month into S&P  they can retire in 30 years on their Superyachts as multimillionaires ?

Chelseyboy, I know you know this, but I know Trench doesn't.

ONE very, very important thing is to put the money in every month or two weeks,
however you get paid. That way you will be buying at the high, the mid and the
low. Why is that important? Because if you try to time the market then you probably
will get it wrong, but doing it periodically over time is called dollar cost averaging.
This reduces your risk. (Google this for guys who don't know).

Bill's timing secret opinion. . . . . Many, many people put money in the market at
the first and/or the 15th of each month. In my opinion if you buy on the 28th and
the 12th you will be buying a couple days ahead of the millions of people on auto
pilot and in my theory you will be buying at a very slight advantage that will pay
off over time.

Mutual funds buy over a period of days and mix it together to lessen the impact
of this, but it's my opinion that over time you will buy stocks for a kopeck less
here and there which will make you extra money over the long haul.

The real secret is dollar cost averaging. Who knows if Bill's timing theory actually
works but dollar cost averaging over long periods of time does.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on February 03, 2021, 10:55:45 AM
Ordinarily I would agree, but there's this girl I know and I think she suffers from Depression.

Trench,

Would you just read what you write and think about it for ten seconds
before you press the post button?

There was a guy who wouldn't listen to advice. His girl locked him in his
apartment on New Years eve, then went out and partied, then came back
a couple days later to tell him she got called in to work and he wouldn't
listen to us tell him that she was lying to him.

You are becoming worse than that guy.

Don't get involved with women who have mental issues including depression.
Depression is a very serious medical illness that negatively affects how you feel,
the way you think and how you act. I got that last sentence from the American
psychiatric association website.

You don't have a medical degree or training in psychology and if you did every
medical professional would tell you not to treat somebody that you were
romantically interested in.

You are hoping to cash in romantically because a women experiencing depression
is acting abnormally (by interacting with you who is 20 years older). What will you
do next? Hang outside sex addicts anonymous meetings hoping to hookup?


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 22, 2021, 08:03:34 PM
No you don't get to take over another thread. Stay on topic with the OP or copy these questions and post them on your own thread.

Actually the OP asked for input originally concerning the situation with his FSW being pregnant and problems getting a K1 visa or even into Russia. It was you who deviated to talking about seduction and then Boe talking seduction Vs providing. If you look at your previous post & Boe's response they are theoretically already off topic. My reply to them is just following on from your already off topic response. OP has not stepped in yet to say whether your off topic deviation is unwelcome or happy to take in board the suggestions you offer.

In any case the fact that no one has really a solution to the situation of his pregnant other half stuck in Russia then I don't really see that there is any loss from you, I or anyone else deviating as otherwise this thread is pretty much already done.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 24, 2021, 09:21:38 AM
I or anyone else deviating as otherwise this thread is pretty much already done.

ph4tst4x could have ran away because I wrote my tough love advice,
but you need to admit that you've taken over countless threads. 


NOTE for Newbies: You have to develop a thick skin or else one of those
beautiful, hot Russian women will melt your face at some point. They
can be exceptionally blunt at times, which I find refreshing but can
leave the Metrosexual types standing in a puddle of their own urine.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 24, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Traditionally guys have been the workhorses that provide that stuff and the women
looked well upon those guys that did that. In Ukraine, India, etc they still do and if
a guy can provide well enough in the west for a western girl then in the west that
probably still holds.

You have ZERO clue about what you are talking about. A Girl won't stay married
to you for your pocketbook, ESPECIALLY YOUR POCKETBOOK. You are a borderline
dependent of the state. In the USA they wouldn't let a Russian woman immigrate
to the USA based on your income.

So STOP saying that because you make more than poor Ukrainians that a
Ukrainian girl will be happy with your income because she won't and she
surely won't want to make babies with you unless you increase your
income (by double).

Thing is how does a girl really feel about a guy who provides Vs one who can seduce well?

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Did I say you have to seduce well?
FSUW want you to seduce them and win their hearts. They aren't looking for skilled
swordsmen they are looking for LOVE. The good girls aren't looking for money, they
are looking for LOVE. Pay attention! Don't change my words to fit your oddball theories.

You have to win her heart. She must love you. Stop thinking that anything else is
realistically possible.


Does the girl who sees the guy as a provider just see him as a functional necessity while
the guy who successfully manages to seduce her she has real feelings for?

She wants you to seduce her and win her heart. That's what she wants. She wants YOU
to do it. Not somebody else or she would never communicate with you. Stop thinking
that you can catch a FSU girl with a promise of three meals and a bed. You need to
get her to fall in love with you. She will marry your broke @ss if she loves you.

You can only do this by talking to her everyday on Skype and visiting her in person.
Stop looking for shortcuts. Stop twisting peoples words. Stop twisting my words.



In Ukraine, India

Stop it!

You can't compare India with 95% arranged marriages with Ukraine which
has nearly 0% arranged marriages. You have a brain, I know you do.

Stop it!
 
If you want an arranged marriage and a low chance of divorce then you
can make that happen with an Indian family. I don't know the particulars
but you are smart enough to go online and research it. A woman from
India will marry you for 3 meals and a bed. You will probably have to
help her entire family immigrate but she will do it. I know nothing else
about India.


I know Bill often talks about winning her heart. Is this actually possible though or is
it more a case of a girl either being into a guy or not? I'm not sure whether seduction
actually adds anything either.

A FSUW wants YOU to win her heart OR she wouldn't communicate with you.
If she isn't into you she will dump you, it will be fast. She will not exchange
love for three meals and a bed. You need to win her heart and she will join
team Trench, then she will be your partner in crime and that is what you
want (if you have a brain).

Stop twisting my words, it's getting tedious.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 24, 2021, 02:10:08 PM
They can be exceptionally blunt at times, which I find refreshing but can
leave the Metrosexual types standing in a puddle of their own urine.

Except for those who are so thankful they have a hot babe they couldn't otherwise achieve . . .

The bluntness is nothing more than total rudeness and would be called that by any others.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 24, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
Except for those who are so thankful they have a hot babe they couldn't otherwise achieve . . .

The bluntness is nothing more than total rudeness and would be called that by any others.

Beel, I don't like when you do X or say Y. 

Not rude, not sugar coated and now I know.
I prefer that to: Bill if you loved me you would know.
I f#cking hate that.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 24, 2021, 04:31:32 PM
Except for those who are so thankful they have a hot babe they couldn't otherwise achieve . . .

The bluntness is nothing more than total rudeness and would be called that by any others.

I think bluntness is only rudeness in western society and in western society to be honest it is. In western society it tends to be seen by others as someone who is socially deficient or lacks social awareness of how they are and come across. Some people like that know how they are but just don't care others never really grasp how they are and how negatively people see them and respond.

In the FSU I think bluntness takes on a different form I that it is more directness and to be direct you have to be blunt. People just want to be understood clearly and for each other to know where they stand and what they are doing. Could be said that it is a more intelligent way of going about business out there, a kind of 'you know this so now we both know it' and therefore no time wasted of lengthy prattle or risk of misunderstanding. More about getting on the same page quickly so advancing forward in a more purposeful way.


When I first encountered the FSU directness/bluntness I thought it rude, the second time I found it funny, it made me laugh how outrageously direct/blunt it was. Later I found that the bluntness can be looked past and realisation made that it's not so designed to be rude but more as a reaching by the other party (the girl) in her trying to reach an understanding by telling the other party (yourself) quickly how things stand/are so that you can do something with that.

In any case the bluntness that stopped me in my tracks and made me laugh the most is when a FSW refuses to go in a hotel as she will be seen as a prostitute! Lol. Nothing has made me laugh so much as when that one pops up, gobsmackingly blunt, lol.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on April 24, 2021, 05:48:26 PM
I think bluntness is only rudeness in western society and in western society to be honest it is.


I don't think that's true.  Japanese society, for example, is not blunt.  Neither is Indian society.


Russian and Ukrainian society did not have this bluntness before the Bolshevik Revolution.  I think it's just a consequence of those societies being ruled by boors - the fish rots from the head down.  My grandmother, who grew up in Ukraine before the commies took over, was not blunt.  Neither were my husband's grandparents, or his family, because they grew up a different way.  I don't describe it as blunt, just rude and boorish.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 24, 2021, 05:49:47 PM

Later I found that the bluntness can be looked past and realisation made that it's not so designed to be rude but more as a reaching by the other party (the girl) in her trying to reach an understanding by telling the other party (yourself) quickly how things stand/are so that you can do something with that.

Total BS.  It is rudeness, pure and simple.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 24, 2021, 05:51:55 PM
In any case the bluntness that stopped me in my tracks and made me laugh the most is when a FSW refuses to go in a hotel as she will be seen as a prostitute! Lol. Nothing has made me laugh so much as when that one pops up, gobsmackingly blunt, lol.

That has nothing to do with bluntness.

Bluntness is rudeness.

Nothing blunt or rude about saying you don't want to be seen as a prostitute.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 24, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
And, by the way, my wife does not practice bluntness or rudeness.

But I saw much of it with other Ukrainians, and Russians in particular.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on April 24, 2021, 06:02:22 PM
Beel, I don't like when you do X or say Y. 

Not rude, not sugar coated and now I know.
I prefer that to: Bill if you loved me you would know.
I f#cking hate that.


I'm not certain that's even blunt.  I don't expect my spouse to be a mind reader.  I doubt that's the way most American women communicate.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 25, 2021, 03:09:58 AM
That has nothing to do with bluntness.

Bluntness is rudeness.

Nothing blunt or rude about saying you don't want to be seen as a prostitute.

It's a hotel not a brothel lol.

Seriously though it's more the way it's said, possibly it may be down to translation. The Russian language seems to be more direct overall with one word covering several variations of a word in English. We seem to articulate slight differences in meaning and to us those slight differences can mean a lot.

Other than that I think in the west a lot of women are more coy unless you go into very working class areas. For example in the hotel & prostitute response a western woman is probably less likely to come out with it full on like that. They are likely to say something like, "I don't think it would be appropriate to be at a hotel whilst not being married it may give off not a good impression". I don't think many western woman would want to give rise to the shocker that she thinks she may look like a prostitute not unless it was a cheap motel in the US of course.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 25, 2021, 09:09:47 AM
The hotel thing for women in FSU has some historical background which I don't know completely and don't desire to spend time investigating it.

But in simple terms going into a hotel with a man other than husband had some bad connotations in FSU.

The same existed in USA up until some time point . . . probably 1960s when increased sexual freedom started for women.

I experienced a spectrum in FSU.

One woman refused to even step into lobby of a 4 star hotel in Kyiv where I went to retrieve a copy of the Kyiv Times newspaper.  She had led a relatively sheltered life and I was the first western man she had dated.

Another woman went right up to check-in desk with me, negotiated price for a room, and marched right up to my room carrying one of my small bags.  This was accompanied by rather shocked look on faces of check-in people.
10 minutes later we both came back down and headed out to eat.
She picked me up 3 times later for dates (she had a car), but never once stayed the night, and the sex we had later all occurred at her house.

This latter woman had travelled extensively throughout FSU and many western European countries (in 1990s) as a representative for a clothing business.

So a lot depends on sophistication and experience (not hooker experience) of the woman.

As another note:  The latter woman, upon delivering me to airport, declined my suggestion that we meet again during another trip.  She said it would be 'boring.'  Meaning I was boring.  So I guess she had met a lot of exciting men on her trips around Europe.

She was the only woman who ever said I was boring, although some (many) might have said it.

As more full disclosure:  Only one woman out of very, very many told me I wasn't good at sex.
And she was right that things didn't go well; but it was because she controlled everything and I wasn't able to demonstrate my true talents.   She  also told me that I should be honored to be with such a beautiful woman.  But actually she was only about 7 in face; although body was a 9.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 25, 2021, 10:24:47 AM

I'm not certain that's even blunt.  I don't expect my spouse to be a mind reader.  I doubt that's the way most American women communicate.

I have been given the silent treatment hundreds of times when I didn't even
know what they were mad about. I've been given the silent treatment maybe
twice maybe three times with FSUW and ALWAYS I knew what it was about.

I dumped my last American girl friend when she called me on the phone to
give me the silent treatment.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 25, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
I have been given the silent treatment hundreds of times when I didn't even
know what they were mad about.
I've been given the silent treatment maybe
twice maybe three times with FSUW and ALWAYS I knew what it was about.

I dumped my last American girl friend when she called me on the phone to
give me the silent treatment.

Don't you know you are supposed to guess :ROFL:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 25, 2021, 04:40:30 PM
Don't you know you are supposed to guess :ROFL:

Western women operational theory is that if you loved them you would know.

FSUW (for the most part) believe that men are simple creatures and that men
can't read minds. Therefore if they want something from you, they better tell
you about it.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on April 25, 2021, 05:46:24 PM
There are over 250 million women in the Western world.  They don't all think the same way.  I, personally, have never believed my husband should "know" what I think.  I am fairly certain I'm not unique in this. 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 25, 2021, 06:33:07 PM
There are over 250 million women in the Western world.  They don't all think the same way.  I, personally, have never believed my husband should "know" what I think.  I am fairly certain I'm not unique in this.

Boe,

You are what's known as a keeper. I am also fairly certain that there are
many others who think as you do. HOWEVER, there are plenty who expect
men to be at least partial mind readers.

There is a book called Men are from Mars that explains a number of things
including the concept that I described. If it was a rare thing then I doubt it
would have been in the book that sold over 15 million copies. The book has
been criticized for placing human psychology into stereotypes

Excerpt story (there are many)
A man and a woman are driving down the street. The woman points at the ice
cream store and says “look! The ice cream store is open.” The man says “yes,
it is,” and keeps driving. Later that evening, the woman is upset and asks
“why didn’t you stop for ice cream when I asked?” The man is confused and
says, “I never heard you ask to stop for ice cream.”

It is a rather small, and rather inconsequential example, but it is one that many
people in male/female relationships can relate to.

What Went Wrong?

Both parties thought they said and heard different things in the same conversation.
This is one of the reasons why communication tends to be more effective when
women are more direct.

http://blog.mindvalley.com/men-are-from-mars-women-are-from-venus/

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 25, 2021, 07:19:18 PM

Excerpt story (there are many)
A man and a woman are driving down the street. The woman points at the ice
cream store and says “look! The ice cream store is open.” The man says “yes,
it is,” and keeps driving. Later that evening, the woman is upset and asks
“why didn’t you stop for ice cream when I asked?” The man is confused and
says, “I never heard you ask to stop for ice cream.”

Reminds me (OK a stretch) of this story.

12 year old girl tells her father she is angry at him because she just found out he has been lying to her and siblings for several years.

Father: What are you talking about ?

Daughter: It was not true when you told us that if the Ice Cream truck played music, it meant it was all out of ice cream.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Grumpy on April 25, 2021, 08:14:52 PM
There are women who will give you the silent treatment.
There are women you wish would "shut the heck up".
There are women who can moderate between the extremes.

If you are really lucky, you might find one that knows when to speak up and when to shut up.
I am probably being optimistic.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 26, 2021, 08:31:52 AM

Both parties thought they said and heard different things in the same conversation.
This is one of the reasons why communication tends to be more effective when
women are more direct.


Here you are confusing directness/bluntness/rudeness.

A woman or man saying, "I would like to have some ice cream," is not an example of the directness/bluntness that I called rudeness.

An example: Is that the nicest car you can afford?

FSUW apologists call this directness.

It is rudeness.

Another example:  That scar on your face is very ugly.

In USA, no one (except maybe those in the hood) would make that comment past 6th grade or so.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on April 27, 2021, 07:16:33 AM
Here you are confusing directness/bluntness/rudeness.

A woman or man saying, "I would like to have some ice cream," is not an example of the directness/bluntness that I called rudeness.

An example: Is that the nicest car you can afford?

FSUW apologists call this directness.

It is rudeness.

Another example:  That scar on your face is very ugly.

In USA, no one (except maybe those in the hood) would make that comment past 6th grade or so.

I want to make sure that I understand what you are saying.

Are you implying that I don't know the difference between being frank or direct with
rudeness?

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 27, 2021, 08:12:36 AM
I want to make sure that I understand what you are saying.

Are you implying that I don't know the difference between being frank or direct with
rudeness?

I am just giving my examples of clarification for whomever can benefit.  :-)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: GQBlues on April 27, 2021, 09:07:09 AM
I honestly believe the absence, lack of, or the deterioration of communication in a relationship is a sign of an unfolding disenchantment in a relationship. I've seen these happen from both my male and female friends ad nauseum when they go through these break-ups.

Everything is hunky-dory in the beginning, they f@#k like rabbits but then when that intensified sexual appetite starts to wane, the Disneyland behavior starts to get introduce in the relationship. Something starts to be into the 'just-not-good-enough' syndrome. Soon after, both develop certain amount of insecurities within the relationship, which usually results in both deflecting the fault at each other.

IN the end, it's never really about he/she wasn't communicating, it really is about he/she simply stopped trying to listen/understand the way he/she took the time before during that magical period where certain imperfections (that are now glaringly HUGE and obvious) were sources of endearment, or even actual annoying habits that were once considered 'cute', is now over-bearing.

No one likes knowing they failed at anything. Much less live it. So instead of accepting break-ups are at times something that just needs to happen between people, they instead jump through hoops trying to point out all these 'ills' with the person they held so dear not too long ago, if not, the relationship/s altogether. People are so frail and fragile emotionally, many of them needs instant redemption and jump right into another emotional net we call a 'rebound'.

I use to tell my boys, especially at our younger years, get your juices out to as many different women as you can before jumping into 'love' whatever that was then. I don't care who she is/was, or how pretty/gorgeous/kind/sweetheart/darling/yada the gal is - in a relatively short time you'll start to hate life because 'she started to stop communicating with you, she started not to make sense anymore, she started bitching at you, she -fill-in-the-blank- here, etc...

What's even worse than this is convincing yourself that your new gal is the exact opposite of the ol' nasty lady you once kissed the ground she walked on in an attempt to find peace in your mind, falsely vindicated that *it was never really your fault, and you absolutely had no part in the demise of those failed relationships in the past*.

You see this play out here on this board plenty of times.

Apply, lather, rinse, repeat.

*YOUR* relationship with someone is solely about how *you* relate/d to that person.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 28, 2021, 11:46:57 PM
Well recent latest here in the UK support for Scottish Independence is apparently no longer a majority in favour:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scottish-election-2021-the-snp-are-backpedalling-on-independence-as-economic-case-falls-apart-and-public-wants-focus-on-covid-recovery-murdo-fraser-3215400

I told Mobers this would happen a while ago after the Brexit Referendum so it's a shame he's no longer around on here for me to tell him I was right, although perhaps still looking in hmmmn  ;D

Essentially Scots see many negatives, as predicted, a hard border with England requiring Passports, trade problems with England - 'their' largest trading partner ;) having to adopt the Euro in rejoining the EU and of course being left behind England/the UK in its vaccination drive as it would then if rejoining the EU be a part of the EU Vaccination program and we all know how well that is going.

With upcoming Scottish Parliamentary Elections on 6th May it's not looking good for the SNP, they could lose their overall majority. Sturgeon knows she is now in trouble on these issues which is why she wanted another independence vote before we left the EU. Essentially the longer that it goes since we have left the EU the less and less reason and logic there is for Scotland going independent of England. The more time that passes the more Scottish people will see this and the more they will identify with the UK rather than the EU.

So the upcoming Welsh & Scottish Elections could for a chance prove interesting.

Elsewhere, in the UK as a whole there seems to be a lack of property to buy as a whole. It's unsure if this is a short term glitch dye to the virus or a case that property has literally 'run out' with supply of housing having all been taken up. The fear that we have been nearing reaching the limit on housing has been present for a fair few years now and looked likely to happen at some point, whether that is now who knows. In Wales there has even been queuing overnight outside an Estate Agent's from people wanting to sign up to buy new build property that hasn't even been built yet!

Supplies of sand & cement have continued to be in high demand in DIY stores across most of the country. Last weekend I popped into a local DIY store and saw one guy walk his huge fat woman around, seconds after another guy with another huge fat woman rounded past me also following on from the first. Two big old barges, kind of made me feel like being in the Suez Canal, fortunately neither got stuck lol :D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 29, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
Last weekend I popped into a local DIY store and saw one guy walk his huge fat woman around, seconds after another guy with another huge fat woman rounded past me also following on from the first. Two big old barges, kind of made me feel like being in the Suez Canal, fortunately neither got stuck lol :D

I see this at the high school level.

Normal sized guys dating overweight gals.

For a long time I couldn't understand this.

But then I realized that overweight teenage girls is more the norm these days; guys have grown up with this, and it seems normal to them.

Yes, there are overweight teenage boys also; but not proportionally  as much as with girls.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Grumpy on April 29, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
Pro Tip;
You get more for your money with the large "value" size.     :D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on April 30, 2021, 08:01:20 PM
I have had this phobia about 'fat' women starting at very early age; probably 11 or 12.
First recollection was concerning a couple of my aunts.
Fat is in the genes of my Mother's side of my heritage.
On my Father's side, not overall fat, just beer bellies small and large.

Interesting that FSU women didn't/don't seem to mind my beer belly.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BillyB on April 30, 2021, 08:15:42 PM



I know three guys who went to Vietnam the same time. As they walked down the sidewalk, the oldest and fattest man got the lion's share of the attention. Girls would rub his belly and call him "Happy Budda". They seriously thought the fat guy was rich and a big boss because he eats well.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 01, 2021, 02:25:19 AM


I know three guys who went to Vietnam the same time. As they walked down the sidewalk, the oldest and fattest man got the lion's share of the attention. Girls would rub his belly and call him "Happy Budda". They seriously thought the fat guy was rich and a big boss because he eats well.

Lol, indeed apparently back around Georgian times in Europe someone who was fat was seen as wealthy as it tended to be the case that you would need to be to get like that. These days it tends not to be seen that way in the west as a lot of fatty food is also among the cheapest food. That and you don't need to be especially rich if overeating on food though it will cost you more of course.

Kind of funny how a negative somewhere can be a positive elsewhere. I don't think I'll go down that route though, lol.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 01, 2021, 02:28:48 AM
I have had this phobia about 'fat' women starting at very early age; probably 11 or 12.
First recollection was concerning a couple of my aunts.
Fat is in the genes of my Mother's side of my heritage.
On my Father's side, not overall fat, just beer bellies small and large.

Interesting that FSU women didn't/don't seem to mind my beer belly.

Not sure about phobia, but I along with a lot of other guys think look at fat women and well it's a very weird look. I cant find it aesthetically pleasing in any way and couldn't feel comfortable with it on a girl or greeting close to one. I find it just a very strange look.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 01, 2021, 02:34:24 AM
I see this at the high school level.

Normal sized guys dating overweight gals.

For a long time I couldn't understand this.

But then I realized that overweight teenage girls is more the norm these days; guys have grown up with this, and it seems normal to them.

Yes, there are overweight teenage boys also; but not proportionally  as much as with girls.

Yeah I've seen that in some of the social housing areas here in the UK. There fat girls/women are pretty common, I spoke to one guy about it who lives in such an area a few years ago, he didn't seem to have much of an issue about it and found it surprising I did. So I guess for a lot of guys there it becomes the norm. Their mothers may be fat, sisters, other women they see, girls at school, etc. Even still a fair number of thinner girls in those areas, I would say at least 50 percent so I still sometimes wonder why some guys get with the fat women when there are those around not so.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 01, 2021, 12:57:19 PM
I don’t recognise the portrait of the UK painted by TC.
I guess he moves in a different social circle, populated by ‘fatties’ from social housing sinks.
Most of the people I know have attractive spouses or partners who look after themselves and eat well balanced diets.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 02, 2021, 02:18:48 AM
I don’t recognise the portrait of the UK painted by TC.
I guess he moves in a different social circle, populated by ‘fatties’ from social housing sinks.
Most of the people I know have attractive spouses or partners who look after themselves and eat well balanced diets.

JG, you'll have to spend more time outside the Country Club in everyday society ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 02, 2021, 02:48:33 AM
JG, you'll have to spend more time outside the Country Club in everyday society ;D
My golf swing needs a little practice so I hope to be spending more time at the 18th.  :cheesy:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 03, 2021, 01:47:36 AM
Anyway back to topic I think the worse trend I have seen of recent is women wearing leggings particularly the sweat pant material type. It kind of makes them look like female wrestlers, often ungamely looking, kind of chavvy And not a very feminine look. All of that of course gets even worse when an out of shape woman wears them, real hideous, ever poor passer-by gets a view of a flabby arse wobbling around, whatever possessed them to go out and buy and then wear them I don't know.

I don't know why women can't get stick with the stuff that's proven to look good on them, skirts and dresses, works for FSW so why western women get it into their head that they somehow look good in all this heshe gear I don't know. To date I've only seen shiny black leggings work well on women and that is only the ones in shape.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on May 03, 2021, 08:08:22 AM
I don't know why women can't get stick with the stuff that's proven to look good on them, skirts and dresses, works for FSW so why western women get it into their head that they somehow look good in all this heshe gear I don't know. To date I've only seen shiny black leggings work well on women and that is only the ones in shape.

In discussing this issue, my wife told me that everything women do with respect to looks, they do for men. 

This is the opposite of what most western women say.

So seems they are both right.

FSU women still feel a need to attract and be with a man.

Western women feel they don't really need to be with a man; hence no need to be attractive to men.

Open question with any individual FSU woman is . . . how will they dress (and keep their shape) and feel about men (their man) once they have lived in the west for some period of time ?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Gator on May 03, 2021, 02:15:43 PM
My golf swing needs a little practice so I hope to be spending more time at the 18th.  :cheesy:

19th hole!   The mother of my sons asked me why it takes 7 hours to play golf. 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 03, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
In discussing this issue, my wife told me that everything women do with respect to looks, they do for men. 

This is the opposite of what most western women say.

So seems they are both right.

FSU women still feel a need to attract and be with a man.

Western women feel they don't really need to be with a man; hence no need to be attractive to men.

Open question with any individual FSU woman is . . . how will they dress (and keep their shape) and feel about men (their man) once they have lived in the west for some period of time ?

Was thinking about the same thing today ML, I think it is kind of symbolic in meaning, like western woman's desire to 'wear the trousers' as the saying goes. Hence they wish to takeover the man's domain but also hold onto the woman's domain, so they wish to try and have it all. Of course in doing so they don't see that by taking over the man's domain they take away from what they traditionally wanted a man to be leaving him unsure of what they want if anything from a man. So it's kind of a sign of society's dysfunction really, the woman grasping for more than the female domain and not realising in doing so she is undermining what she really wants.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on May 03, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Women wearing pants has nothing to do with wanting to be a man, or be in their domain.  I know this is a difficult concept for you, Trench, because of your ingrained misogyny, but females do not exist solely for your viewing pleasure.  In some ways, you should be thanking your stars for this, as it levels the playing field for you.


Women usually wear pants because it's more convenient than dresses.  If I am going to be hauling groceries, or plants from the greenhouse, I don't want to wear heels, hence, I wear pants.  I don't really care what some random idiot on the street thinks. 


In the USSR, wearing Western styles could get you unwanted attention from authorities.  Many women internalized that and don't wear pants.  But I have seen plenty of women there wearing pants.  If they are wearing heels, they typically will wear a dress (I wear skirts with heels).
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 04, 2021, 05:00:22 AM
Women wearing pants has nothing to do with wanting to be a man, or be in their domain.  I know this is a difficult concept for you, Trench, because of your ingrained misogyny, but females do not exist solely for your viewing pleasure.  In some ways, you should be thanking your stars for this, as it levels the playing field for you.


Women usually wear pants because it's more convenient than dresses.  If I am going to be hauling groceries, or plants from the greenhouse, I don't want to wear heels, hence, I wear pants. I don't really care what some random idiot on the street thinks. 


In the USSR, wearing Western styles could get you unwanted attention from authorities.  Many women internalized that and don't wear pants.  But I have seen plenty of women there wearing pants.  If they are wearing heels, they typically will wear a dress (I wear skirts with heels).

Solution to this could be to wear tights, leggings or even jeans under the dress. That would look a lot better than not wearing a dress or skirt over the top. When I'm out and about I often wonder why fat women wear tight jeans or leggings whereas if they wore a dress or skirt over the top it would cover it all up so as the passer by would not be expose to the unsightliness of their huge rear in minute detail.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Chelseaboy on May 04, 2021, 06:23:45 AM
Clearly plenty of blokes get turned-on by fat arses..evidenced by plenty of such women waddling around in the UK surrounded by four or five kids from four or five different men.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on May 04, 2021, 07:25:57 AM
Solution to this could be to wear tights, leggings or even jeans under the dress. That would look a lot better than not wearing a dress or skirt over the top. When I'm out and about I often wonder why fat women wear tight jeans or leggings whereas if they wore a dress or skirt over the top it would cover it all up so as the passer by would not be expose to the unsightliness of their huge rear in minute detail.


When you start wearing dresses, you can opine on solutions. 


As I stated, women do not exist solely for your pleasure.  You don't like what one looks like, stop looking. 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 04, 2021, 07:40:38 AM
Clearly plenty of blokes get turned-on by fat arses..evidenced by plenty of such women waddling around in the UK surrounded by four or five kids from four or five different men.
Where is it you and TC live, to get to see such sights?
I feel I inhabit a UK in a parallel universe.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 04, 2021, 07:41:57 AM

When you start wearing dresses, you can opine on solutions. 


As I stated, women do not exist solely for your pleasure.  You don't like what one looks like, stop looking.
That’ll be a sight. I’m sure TC has wonderful knees.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Chelseaboy on May 04, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
Where is it you and TC live, to get to see such sights?
I feel I inhabit a UK in a parallel universe.


You need to get out more JG: ))


Take a wander throughout east London and places like Romford,Dagenham and Barking.


Colchester,Basildon and Clacton-on-sea are three more hotspots....Ipswich too.


You won't see them on Golf courses..you need to walk around the shopping centres.Supermarkets are good places to spot them,where they're filling their shopping trolleys with bags of frozen chips and boxes of burgers.


McDonalds and KFC outlets are prime habitat for them also..parked at tables with their armies of kids ramming junk food down their throats.


Don't believe me ?


Well here's a fact for you....in 2019 29% of women in the UK were Obese....that means almost a third of UK women are lard-asses with floppy bellies.

An additional 31% of women in the UK were overweight.


With facts like that i really don't know how you manage to miss them waddling around at an outlet near you.


Strange that all the women you ever see are slim...when slim women are in the minority in the UK,
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 04, 2021, 09:44:57 PM

You need to get out more JG: ))


Perhaps

Quote from: Chelseaboy
Take a wander throughout east London and places like Romford,Dagenham and Barking.
I avoid east London like the plague.
However, the places you’ve mentioned are ethnically very diverse with lots of east Europeans living there so I’m not sure your picture would stand up to scrutiny there. There may be some estates where you will find overweight women with a bunch of kids around them who are how you’ve described.


Quote from: Chelseaboy
Colchester,Basildon and Clacton-on-sea are three more hotspots....Ipswich too.
I rarely go to Essex and would agree that one would find those you’ve described in these locations.
Quote from: Chelseaboy
You won't see them on Golf courses..you need to walk around the shopping centres.Supermarkets are good places to spot them,where they're filling their shopping trolleys with bags of frozen chips and boxes of burgers.

Depends on the supermarkets I guess. I never shop at cheap stores like Iceland, etc so no surprise there.
Quote from: Chelseaboy
McDonalds and KFC outlets are prime habitat for them also..parked at tables with their armies of kids ramming junk food down their throats.


Don't believe me ?


Well here's a fact for you....in 2019 29% of women in the UK were Obese....that means almost a third of UK women are lard-asses with floppy bellies.

An additional 31% of women in the UK were overweight.


With facts like that i really don't know how you manage to miss them waddling around at an outlet near you.


Strange that all the women you ever see are slim...when slim women are in the minority in the UK,

I don’t go to McDonalds and junk food outlets either so you may be right about that.
However, it’s not that I don’t see overweight women or men. One sees people of all shapes and sizes. It’s just that I don’t see them in the numbers you and TC say you do.
If 29% are considered obese it means the remaining 71% aren’t and that’s the majority.
Statistics, wonderful things.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Chelseaboy on May 05, 2021, 01:42:02 AM
The stats  mean only 40% of women in the UK are slim and/or in good shape....a minority.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 05, 2021, 02:09:21 AM

When you start wearing dresses, you can opine on solutions. 


As I stated, women do not exist solely for your pleasure.  You don't like what one looks like, stop looking.

I don't get a choice in the matter Boe. I walk into my local DIY  store and there they are either in front of me as I walk in the door or rounding an isle as I walk through. They all seem to go for these stretch fit jeans where it gives the passer-by no option other than to force them to see all of their fat rears in minute detail, either that or the jeans just stretched that way as the out in weight. It's almost as if they are proud of it but to me it's the most vomit inducing sight I have ever seen. I don't have the option of looking elsewhere otherwise I would be falling over stuff. Thing is their rears are so large and the jeans so tight you honestly don't get any other option than it be forced into your eyesight. A long flowing skirt would cover the hideousness of it up lovely, but no they nearly all seem to insist on wearing stuff that makes a big display of it all, it's absolutely revolting >:(

I don't really know what possesses them to wear that stuff in the first place they surely can't think their rears look nice. One I saw the other day had tight jeans that pushed some of the fat the the middle bottom of her bum, it literally looked like she had just taken a hard shat in her pants, it was most disconcerting. They pretty much all have done dude walking around with them though, god knows why, I would rather be a single man that live my life out with one of them as I know I would be hating my life waking up each morning.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 05, 2021, 02:59:40 AM
The stats  mean only 40% of women in the UK are slim and/or in good shape....a minority.
I don’t count the 31% as a meaningful stat as ‘overweight’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘fat’
I’m a bit overweight but far from fat.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 10, 2021, 09:15:50 AM

"Trench,

It's you who don't realize what it takes to get a woman. You have to win her heart.
All the silly ideas bouncing around in your head are wrong."

Ok then Bill, let's take Kherson girl. Her main interests, her only two interests as far as I could tell were clothes fashion and having herself photographed. I'm not sure how I was supposed to win her heart, I bought her plenty of clothes fashion and photographed her best I could though of course I am no professional photographer. Any ideas as to how I would have 'won her heart'?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on May 10, 2021, 11:20:14 AM
This isn't rocket science, Trench.  You should have known that was the extent of her interests before meeting her, and then cut communication.


Alternately, you never got to know her, and what her real interests are.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Grumpy on May 10, 2021, 07:18:50 PM
It is obvious the gals at the DIY store are looking for some wood.
Be a good carpenter and nail them.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on May 11, 2021, 11:51:41 AM
"Trench,

It's you who don't realize what it takes to get a woman. You have to win her heart.
All the silly ideas bouncing around in your head are wrong."


Ok then Bill, let's take Kherson girl. Her main interests, her only two interests as far as I could tell were clothes fashion and having herself photographed. I'm not sure how I was supposed to win her heart, I bought her plenty of clothes fashion and photographed her best I could though of course I am no professional photographer. Any ideas as to how I would have 'won her heart'?

You dump her and find a better girl. I dumped countless FSUW, you need to do the same.
You have to find a good girl who is interested in you and win her heart. If her heart isn't
getting won, then you dump her and find another. Lastly stop trying to figure out why it
didn't work with Kherson girl even if she was your first real girl. You should have dumped
30-80 women since then. If you didn't then you are doing it wrong.

Read what I write, don't add, subtract or make stuff up. 

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 12, 2021, 09:21:26 PM
It is obvious the gals at the DIY store are looking for some wood.
Be a good carpenter and nail them.

That is funny Grumpy lol  :ROFL:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 12, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
This isn't rocket science, Trench.  You should have known that was the extent of her interests before meeting her, and then cut communication.


Alternately, you never got to know her, and what her real interests are.

There is something in that for various reasons.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 12, 2021, 09:30:53 PM
You dump her and find a better girl. I dumped countless FSUW, you need to do the same.
You have to find a good girl who is interested in you and win her heart. If her heart isn't
getting won, then you dump her and find another. Lastly stop trying to figure out why it
didn't work with Kherson girl even if she was your first real girl. You should have dumped
30-80 women since then. If you didn't then you are doing it wrong.

Read what I write, don't add, subtract or make stuff up. 

Udachi!

Bill

You're forgetting I'm not a Bill Clinton lookalike Bill ;D

I could have dated more women, I don't think my everyday looks would take me to 30-80 women unless possibly if I was out there for a long stay and could meet up there & then and hitting it real hard, even then I doubt it.

I'm finding I'm getting more girls up on Fdate in their 30s now either messaging me or viewing my profile. I tend to get the impression they are more serious about finding someone so in terms of meet ups it's probably a better place for me to be. Odds many girls in their 20s date around a lot in the FSU so are more volatile I get the impression.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 12, 2021, 09:41:26 PM
Thing I've been thinking about recently is whether I might have something going for me other than being everyday looking, etc. For some reason girls that are quite hot here in the UK can seem interested, eye me up. Technically I shouldn't get a look in but it looks like I could if there wasn't a load of other guys swarming around & dating them as they are hotties after all lol. Online dating I don't think my looks pull in a lot of girls so its been leaving me wondering recently if it is down to something else. It's not social skills we can strike that one out, but I've been wondering if my eyes may attract women more than other guys. To me it could make sense as there can be strong eye contact in a good way and I can't really think of anything else for it. I don't think it's pheromones I don't think they would work on so many hot women. Just wondering if other posters think this may be a possibility?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: BC on May 13, 2021, 04:46:55 AM
Fear of rejection comes to mind.  Gotta open your mouth to ask for a date.  They are not going to just jump in your lap or sack.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 13, 2021, 05:25:29 AM
This thread should be renamed as ‘ Trenchcoats  BIZARRE Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating Women in General’
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 13, 2021, 12:36:44 PM
This thread should be renamed as ‘ Trenchcoats  BIZARRE Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating Women in General’

Some people think at a deeper level than ones wallet JG ;D
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on May 13, 2021, 02:48:45 PM
Some people think at a deeper level than ones wallet JG ;D
I beg to differ, you only think about how your wallets likely to be affected in your fantasies interactions with women.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on May 17, 2021, 07:48:58 AM
NOTE TO NEWBIES read my advice on this post. Trenchcoat won't take it but
this is a blueprint on how to be successful during the search phase.



You're forgetting I'm not a Bill Clinton lookalike Bill ;D

I could have dated more women, I don't think my everyday looks would take me to 30-80 women unless possibly if I was out there for a long stay and could meet up there & then and hitting it real hard, even then I doubt it.

First of all read what I write, don't add or subtract stuff. I did not say you should have
physically dated 80 women, I said you should have dumped them. If you have questions
when I say something just ask them, stop assuming things you since you are nearly
always wrong.

What you do is you send out a letter to 20 Fdate women who meet your criteria. I don't know
what your percentages of response are let's say 7 respond, you sort through those narrowing
it down to 3-4. Then you get them on Skype or a similar messenger and dump any of those
who aren't both interesting and interested
.

What if none of the 3-4 are both interested in you and interesting to talk to? Then you
dump them all and send out letters to 20 new Fdate women. Lather, rinse and repeat
until you find a girl who is interested and interesting to talk to on Skype.

This practice will make you better at communicating on Skype and you will become more
efficient at sorting through women.

Once you find an EXCELLENT Candidate using this process, go see her.NOTE THAT
I said using this process. Shut up about not liking Skype, that is why you aren't finding
good candidates. Just do it and eventually you will find a girl who is beautiful, interesting
and interested in YOU.


I'm finding I'm getting more girls up on Fdate in their 30s

Stop interacting with any woman who is less than 30 years old. Take your age, subtract
10 years and that is the absolute youngest women you should ever contact. If you push
that envelope then you will encounter women with less than stellar intentions. You need
a girl with stellar intentions so make the 10 year maximum age gap a hard and fast rule.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on May 17, 2021, 08:18:28 PM
You need a girl with stellar intentions so make the 10 year maximum age gap a hard and fast rule.


What about the girls whose only intentions are to use you for sex ???
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 17, 2021, 08:30:35 PM
What about the girls whose only intentions are to use you for sex ???

LOL, that's a brilliant one ML :ROFL:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 17, 2021, 08:39:39 PM
Stop interacting with any woman who is less than 30 years old. Take your age, subtract
10 years
and that is the absolute youngest women you should ever contact. If you push
that envelope then you will encounter women with less than stellar intentions. You need
a girl with stellar intentions so make the 10 year maximum age gap a hard and fast rule.


Udachi!

Bill

That's a good advice Bill. I've just woken up in the middle of the night and done a quick search on Fdate. In all honesty most of the girls on there well I wouldn't really say they look any worse than the younger girls over ten year age gap anyway. So better off going for them they will be on the whole more serious I reckon. I had strayed a little and was going for women about 30 odd (I'm currently 43) and although I was getting responses I think it was half hearted from the girl in many cases. I don't look that old for my age in my photos at least but I think they still go by your written age a bit and I guess I do vice versa.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on May 19, 2021, 08:07:12 AM
In all honesty most of the girls on there well I wouldn't really say they look any worse than the younger girls over ten year age gap anyway

That's because their pictures were 10 years old.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Patagonie on November 10, 2022, 12:53:42 PM
I am going to take this one step further in regard to dating Women.

Some women always end up with "Bad Boys"
Some women always end up with men with addictive problems
Some women always end up with men who treat them horribly.
Some women friend zone men and then use them. 

STAY AWAY from those women. Something is wrong and you don't have
the knowledge, training or ability to help them. They won't be interested
in you romantically for any long period of time and they will revert to seeking
out what harms or is harmful to them.

Find a woman who wants you. Find a woman who is romantically interested
in YOU.

Hollywood makes movies about how these girls realize that they always wanted
a good guy and they decide to become romantically involved with the guy that
they've friend zoned.

THAT CRAP NEVER HAPPENS. It's a Holly-weird formula romantic film marketing
for women. It's as real as Superman flying and having X-ray vision. It's as realistic
as Wonder Woman blocking machine gun bullets with her wristbands.

Well said Krim
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2022, 05:37:52 PM
c'est moi?
non, c'est Beel
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on November 10, 2022, 06:19:46 PM
c'est moi?
non, c'est Beel

If something is rated 'well said', then take credit for it . . . regardless.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on November 10, 2022, 06:40:03 PM
Republicans... (sigh)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Patagonie on November 11, 2022, 04:20:54 AM
c'est moi?
non, c'est Beel
lol sorry  :rolleyes: Keep me informed if you move along the Ukrainian area.
Will be soon again there.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on July 15, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
So many profiles I have seen of Ukrainian chicks where they are 5'4" it's like the standard out there lol. A real pain as a 6ft guy it's not that ideal. I like a good height match up so for me 5'6" - 5'9" to my 6'0" is probably about the ideal. The first girl from Mariupol that I met in Kyiv was a little unusually tall I think about 5'10" or 5'11" in high heels she matched my 6'0" almost exactly. She didn't like the feeling of towering over guys as many chicks don't so she just about got away with it.

If girls are taller in Moldova then it could be a good place for me. It's not so much that I mind short girls I don't but the practicalities aren't the best. Firstly sex alignment, secondly kissing alignment, thirdly feeling like you're with a kid, fourthly her issue with high heels. There are work arounds so it's not the end of the world but it's more handy with comparative height match up I think.

So did you meet any girl where it's a goer?

Did you at least get your leg over one of them? ;D

Firstly 6ft tall is not that tall. If you don't know how to align sexually with a 5' 4" tall
woman then you need to learn more, she can probably help you.

I am 7 inches (18 cm) taller than you and everything works and fits perfectly with women
up to a foot shorter than I am. I have had sex with shorties which for me is (5'-0" to 5'-4")
and made it work. They know what to do to wrangle with a tall man so let them do it. Maybe
you will learn something and enjoy learning (for once).

You haven't had seks in years, go ahead and try it. It's really fun.

You are fairly clueless about searching for an FSUW, so let me help a bit.

YOU ARE SHRINKING THE POOL OF FSUW YOU MORON!
You are clearly socially disabled. Shrinking the pool when almost nobody
will go for you is not very smart.

Expand your physical requirements and refine your age requirements to ONLY women who are 39+
Then you will literally have the pick of the litter. You don't deserve nor will you get 20 somethings
or even 30 somethings. They will move on to bigger and better things as soon as the opportunity
presents itself.

You are planning to fail. Some might more accurately say you are failing to launch (You blame covid
and UK fatties, but it's you). How long can you have a thread on preparing for Moldova without
actually going. Covid travel restrictions have ended in the UK in March of 2022

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on July 15, 2023, 08:52:39 AM
Firstly sex alignment

Ask yourself is Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal or Michael Jordan virgins?
Shaq is 7-1 (216 cm) and his wife is 5-7 (170). Clearly you don't know how
to make it work. Don't worry, most women like having seks with men taller
than them. They know how to do it.

What did you do your first time with a real girl? Insist on a handjob? Afterall
that's all you've experienced up till that time.

If you want sex only with 5-11 and up either embrace celibacy or join the pride parade.

 


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on July 15, 2023, 09:45:35 AM
I am 6'3" and a geezer
i've had sex with midgets and amazons (at the same time!  what a party that was!)
and i've never had ANYTHING get in the way of "gettin it on"....
certainly not height

your theoretical sexual connundrums
are imaginary...
and I can imagine why, poor fellow...

thing is, there's a lotta lonely sex starved women in the world
only problem is, there's a lotta distance between you and them

distance of not only geography but culture and mindset

once you figure out a way to bridge that distance (I did)
then these lonely sex starved women will all come to you
what you need to do is learn how to signal to them to initiate a "sexual response'
and then escalate it until their clothes come off
worked every time for me, and man i've seen a LOT of FSU red snapper
when presented, I always take a moment to visually appreciate such a sight
even in the bania

when I was young and dating in california, all the wimmin there pretty much just wanted guys to go down on them instead of phuqueing
women would rate guys on their oral 'performance'
poorly rated guys would get dumped

so I took the skills I acquired in that environment
and applied them in ukraine, where guys rarely perform cunnilingus

what was the result of that experiment?
loud moaning
and my sexual reputation spread by 'word of mouth' in my ukrainian social network
which invoked curiosity

yet another sexual paradise I discovered
but now my testosterone is so low, I don't care any more
but it's good to have women around to do all the cookin and cleanin and that's fer sure
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on July 15, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
At face value that's good advice Shadow but things are rarely that simple. The hypergamy scale would be kicking in majorly against me in such a situation. The girl would probably quickly get tired of me if I didn't up my game. I mean it might work but be dependent on the girl and the situation.

You misplace your lack of game for your lack of ambition. Learning Russian, getting to the gym,
getting a better job will all drastically improve your game. This is not about gaming women that
is a short term plan at best. Get into shape, improve your Russian, get a better job those are
things that will change your life for the better.

Around where I live there is always going to be someone either better looking, more money or both. However, some of those are married, already with someone or may not be interested in girl I would be with or not familiar with her, know her, them much younger or older than her, etc.

Thirties for you is a reach unless she is 39. Her kids will probably almost be out of the house.
Shut the F#ck up about babies, shut the F#ck up about babies, shut the F#ck up about babies,
you make one baby, go burn your house to the ground. You will be living in an apartment for
the rest of your life. Your greatest fear is losing your house. If I lose a house, I will just get
another one. A house to me is just a thing. It's far more than a thing to you.

Your second greatest fear is getting dumped for a better package. Find a woman who is 39+
and win her heart. She will want to give it to you. She has spent years alone and has given
up on the locals. She will ride you like a championship rodeo event. She wants to be loved,
since currently you have sex every three years of so, you will fall in love. You will get what
you want. A woman who loves you and wants to be loved by you.

You will never get a desperate woman who clings to you because you saved her from her
corrupt government and poor homeland.

So would she accept me? Or be looking for a guy with a lot more glamorous lifestyle himself not to mention possibly bringing in better money?

The problem with being 39 is that the local UK young men won't go after her. Go search
500 FSU women who are 39 or 40+ . Seek out the FSU version of Jennifer Aniston.
Believe me they exist over there. You just have to filter and filter and filter again.

Shut up with the excuses. Your excuses are mind numbingly annoying. You are lying to yourself
and everyone here.

Immediately dump any girl who makes excuses or tells a lie or isn't honest.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on July 15, 2023, 01:27:11 PM
what Beel sez is true...
if you find a 35+ yr old jennifer aniston clone, you can just point at her and say "adiso-da" "come here"
and they'll freakin run to you

these wimmin are not only as good as any sex slave sexual phantasy you could ever conceive of
BUT...

will also feed you, and clean up after
and make really good business partners as well

also, if some woman EVER gives you grief, your wife will kick her ass
and you can just smirk at the poor amerikanska
or if birds shoud ever annoy you while you are walking
she'll chase 'em away fer ya!

one of the advantages of having a 6'1" wife

below pic is my half moldovan wife at age 45
my wife is a professional skin care beauty expert who owns several salons in houston and has spent a small fortune on her appearance
cuz she uses it to sell her merchandise to make me $$$ (gotta hit those monthly quotas!)

this is indicative of what ya'll can get out there
I married much, much better than my college friends did who all married and divorced multiple american wives

trench, please do not make comments on my wife's boobs or "I iz gonna go up along side yo head white boy"


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 15, 2023, 06:40:20 PM
You misplace your lack of game for your lack of ambition. Learning Russian, getting to the gym,
getting a better job will all drastically improve your game. This is not about gaming women that
is a short term plan at best. Get into shape, improve your Russian, get a better job those are
things that will change your life for the better.

Thirties for you is a reach unless she is 39. Her kids will probably almost be out of the house.
Shut the F#ck up about babies, shut the F#ck up about babies, shut the F#ck up about babies,
you make one baby, go burn your house to the ground. You will be living in an apartment for
the rest of your life. Your greatest fear is losing your house. If I lose a house, I will just get
another one. A house to me is just a thing. It's far more than a thing to you.

Your second greatest fear is getting dumped for a better package. Find a woman who is 39+
and win her heart. She will want to give it to you. She has spent years alone and has given
up on the locals. She will ride you like a championship rodeo event. She wants to be loved,
since currently you have sex every three years of so, you will fall in love. You will get what
you want. A woman who loves you and wants to be loved by you.

You will never get a desperate woman who clings to you because you saved her from her
corrupt government and poor homeland.

The problem with being 39 is that the local UK young men won't go after her. Go search
500 FSU women who are 39 or 40+ . Seek out the FSU version of Jennifer Aniston.
Believe me they exist over there. You just have to filter and filter and filter again.

Shut up with the excuses. Your excuses are mind numbingly annoying. You are lying to yourself
and everyone here.

Immediately dump any girl who makes excuses or tells a lie or isn't honest.

Udachi!

Bill

Beel, housing in the UK is not like in the US it's real expensive here just for a tiny place. Also good paying jobs aren't readily available here unlike in the US and the ones that are want a ton of experience and qualifications.

I'm not sure why you keep banging on about these old chicks, 39 plus year old, I can get one a few years younger. Once a girls is around mid thirties out there hardly any guy will touch her especially if she had children in the FSU and not that many in the west either.

A few weeks should hopefully mean I will be out there and able to get cracking on these women.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on July 16, 2023, 06:13:37 AM
so if you saw a 35 yr old Elizabeth Hurley
you'd pass...????

ok...
how can a begger choose?
sorry mate, that pound has dirt on it, you can have it back...
i'm beginning to think the problem is that Trench and Reality don't live in the same neighborhood
he lives in some other place
called TrenchLand, where's there's always an apartment to work on instead of working on your life
and that becomes a crutch to lean on, so he doesn't have to fix anything at all

trench, you're a slacker
and that ain't compatible with havin a woman
it'd be like you refuse to bathe and have terrible body odor
and then try hittin on girls
it's obvious to everyone else it ain't gonna work out
EXCEPT to the dewd with the body odor
that's so weird

Ecce Homo
i really think the world is gonna be a much better place when AI takes over
humans are too messed up



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 16, 2023, 04:47:59 PM
so if you saw a 35 yr old Elizabeth Hurley
you'd pass...????

ok...
how can a begger choose?
sorry mate, that pound has dirt on it, you can have it back...
i'm beginning to think the problem is that Trench and Reality don't live in the same neighborhood
he lives in some other place
called TrenchLand, where's there's always an apartment to work on instead of working on your life
and that becomes a crutch to lean on, so he doesn't have to fix anything at all

trench, you're a slacker
and that ain't compatible with havin a woman
it'd be like you refuse to bathe and have terrible body odor
and then try hittin on girls
it's obvious to everyone else it ain't gonna work out
EXCEPT to the dewd with the body odor
that's so weird

Ecce Homo
i really think the world is gonna be a much better place when AI takes over
humans are too messed up

Krim, the UK does not support hard work, you can work hard but get little more than the guy who doesn't. So me uping and going after another job is like causing myself needless anguish for little reward. The best I could do is double my hours at work I would go from earning about £14.5k to £29k per year. However, while the first £12.5k of income is untaxed everything after that £12.5k is tax at roughly a third (Income tax & National insurance tax). So of that £29k I would only get £23.5k after tax as opposed to £13.8k currently after tax. So ok I would get about almost £10k more but I would be spending most of my life at work. Once my house is done I can get £7.5k a year free of tax income through the government's rent a room allowance. I could do both and get nearly £17k extra a year so £31k a year in total after tax and that would be doing pretty well except for spending a lot of my time at work. That or keep present hours at work and get £21.5k after tax so have more time and not bad mostly tax free income.

That is no doubt all small fry money to you but there's not a lot of scope for doing better. Many of my countrymen are likely doing worse working in jobs that are stressful or tiring each day full time and getting a lot of their pay go on tax, rent or mortgage, living costs, etc.

One of my issues is that my job while I mostly enjoy it wouldn't be seen by many as a 'good earner' type of job even though the money that can be earned isn't too bad in general. A lot of jobs that may be seen as 'good earner' jobs either aren't so in reality after tax or they are difficult to get and come with a lot of stress & ordeal.

So that brings me to businesses, ok if one can get a business that doesn't fail as one of the 70 percent in the first five years and bring decent money in, great. There are no assurances of that though. Of course sone businesses can usually be made successful if a lot of investment is made but that's putting a lot of risk on the line. For example I could buy a field and get permission to start a caravan park but then I need probably about £30k to buy new static caravans. I would then need to advertise and hope enough customers arrive. So it's all relative,sone people put a lot of money into a business and don't get it back and end up in poverty.

Hence the idea of being an Author, again no guarantees that will work but even if my grammar is not the best in the world who knows, it's a pretty low risk venture at least.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on July 16, 2023, 06:36:15 PM
Trench's Tiny Tale of Misfortune Due to Trench's Economic Misunderstanding

one day ole Trench was pondering
and he observed that the more money he makes, the more taxes he pays
however, Trench's goal is to pay as little taxes as possible, so as not to be exploited by the government
and the method he chose for doing that is...
to EARN LESS, thereby paying less taxes
OH, THE CLEVERNESS OF TRENCH!!!
one day, Trench will realize that if he quit his day job all together, and worked for himself, he will pay ZERO TAXES and he can make as much as he wants/can
and do what he wants, when he wants, and how he wants
and live where he wants as well

OR

he can be lazy

guess, what Trench chose?





Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 08, 2023, 07:10:21 AM
There could be some truth in that, but many girls go after the 'hot' guys - the good looking guys, gym rat guys, etc. So while what you say comes into it which the more everyday guy a girl will weigh up with the everyday guy that stuff but a physically attractive guy she won't so much. If anything is said by the girl on that stuff with a physically attractive guy it will be his she thinks they are so right for each other and share all the same this or that even if it's bs or her trying to be a bit that way.

You need to quit with all the incel crap immediately.
You have been given a dozen different options to succeed but you won't do any of them.
You are becoming a waste of cyber ink.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 08, 2023, 07:19:02 AM
He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
Benjamin Franklin

Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses.
George Washington Carver

It is wise to direct your anger towards problems - not people; to focus your energies on answers - not excuses. William Arthur Ward

Most people don't have that willingness to break bad habits. They have a lot of excuses and they talk like victims. Carlos Santana

In football, the worst things are excuses. Excuses mean you cannot grow or move forward.
Pep Guardiola

Excuses destroy success every time.
Jon Taffer

It's part of my Special Forces training. You're taught to come up with a solutions, not look for excuses. Nirmal Purja


You can make a million excuses for why something didn't go well, but ultimately, just fix it and get on with it. Be a solutions person. Emily Weiss

If you make no excuses, there's nothing holding you back.
Travis Browne


People want a cop-out, listen I'm a realist and I talk about motivation, talk about all the things it takes to be greater or are important to win and people want to use excuses all the time.
Mike Ditka
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on August 08, 2023, 10:21:28 AM
as Shakespeare said, "be NOT a dumb fornicator of mothers"
 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 08, 2023, 04:02:26 PM
as Shakespeare said, "be NOT a dumb fornicator of mothers"

Hahaha, well said.



Just remember
Oscar Wilde said "But when you do so, don't make silly excuses about it."
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 09, 2023, 01:02:02 PM
Trench's Tiny Tale of Misfortune Due to Trench's Economic Misunderstanding

one day ole Trench was pondering
and he observed that the more money he makes, the more taxes he pays
however, Trench's goal is to pay as little taxes as possible, so as not to be exploited by the government
and the method he chose for doing that is...
to EARN LESS, thereby paying less taxes
OH, THE CLEVERNESS OF TRENCH!!!
one day, Trench will realize that if he quit his day job all together, and worked for himself, he will pay ZERO TAXES and he can make as much as he wants/can
and do what he wants, when he wants, and how he wants
and live where he wants as well

OR

he can be lazy

guess, what Trench chose?

I know clever bear aren't I ;D

You have to be careful with not paying taxes in the UK, you can be taken to the cleaners by the taxman if found out. They'll calculate what they believe they are owed to the most extreme and add a hefty fine. Unless you can prove you didn't avoid so much tax you'll be stuck with a huge bill. The taxman in the UK loves tax dodgers they can use them as a nice source of revenue for the government.

A part time job where you work the minimum hours like I do so you just get paid enough to pay minimal tax isn't a bad idea. For one you pay national insurance stamp so can get the full state pension. Secondly if you're not in paid work and not claiming unemployment benefit long term the tax man will wonder where you are getting your money from to live on.

Commonly the everyday guy who doesn't raise any suspicion isn't going to come to light by the tax man but if he or she does anything to come to light or someone else brings you to light then you don't want to be seen as doing anything that might look like you might potentially be dodging tax.

Working in the trades is a sure fire way to gain the tax man's interest. In the UK the tax man sees the trades as big potential tax dodgers. So trying to dodge tax there is probably the worst place to do it.

If you can use the government's tax break schemes then that's a good way to legally avoid tax and not drop yourself in the sh*t by being stupid. It only takes one slip up and even a small tax dodge and they will try and land the full whammy on you.

So in the UK you can have up to £12.5k income tax free before paying tax. You can have £7.5k on top of that for rent a room allowance. You can have ISA's that are completely tax free in cash for interest or shares. That's essentially the best way to go about it. The moment you do something where you should pay the tax but don't and aren't absolutely definite it won't show up you are leaving yourself liable for the taxman to take you to the cleaners.

Perhaps in the US the tax man is more slack at finding out about non payers but in the UK it's best to be real careful.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 09, 2023, 01:29:03 PM
He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
Benjamin Franklin

Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses.
George Washington Carver

It is wise to direct your anger towards problems - not people; to focus your energies on answers - not excuses. William Arthur Ward

Most people don't have that willingness to break bad habits. They have a lot of excuses and they talk like victims. Carlos Santana

In football, the worst things are excuses. Excuses mean you cannot grow or move forward.
Pep Guardiola

Excuses destroy success every time.
Jon Taffer

It's part of my Special Forces training. You're taught to come up with a solutions, not look for excuses. Nirmal Purja


You can make a million excuses for why something didn't go well, but ultimately, just fix it and get on with it. Be a solutions person. Emily Weiss

If you make no excuses, there's nothing holding you back.
Travis Browne


People want a cop-out, listen I'm a realist and I talk about motivation, talk about all the things it takes to be greater or are important to win and people want to use excuses all the time.
Mike Ditka

I get it Beel ;) You make a good point. It's not like I wish to hide behind excuses. Its really more that I can't do 'B' so well until I finish 'A'. 'A' being my house conversion it's nearly done but I'm going to take another week or so off work to shift it along a bit. But let's face it if I got serious with a girl and she said let's see your abode and you showed her a house in a mess it's not really going to help much now is it?

After all the girls out there in the first instance look at guys abroad as better providers and wealthier. I'm not saying you want one for those reasons but I need to show one of them that might be into me something half decent that she can see that she could have a life with me.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on August 19, 2023, 09:58:01 AM
I get it Beel ;) You make a good point. It's not like I wish to hide behind excuses. Its really more that I can't do 'B' so well until I finish 'A'. 'A' being my house conversion it's nearly done but I'm going to take another week or so off work to shift it along a bit. But let's face it if I got serious with a girl and she said let's see your abode and you showed her a house in a mess it's not really going to help much now is it?

You are not going to be done in a week (or a month)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2023, 04:03:57 PM
His Magesty's Revenue and Customs....
LOL!

fortune favors the bold, and not the timid
I am a ghost in the machine
how the sherriff gonna even see me?
he can't

I trust in my ability to always stay several steps "ahead of the man"
whether he's russian or american

risk is an essential element of reward
no risk, no reward

the only threat I faced in Russia was other gangstas
and not the gummit

I am light years ahead of the civil servants who'd be lookin for me
ain't no telescope big enuff for them to see me

it's why i'd be REAL good at trackin Russian assets in the west
criminals always know more about crime than the cops
laws make us criminals
and we become experts at the law much better than any "advocat"
and we know where the holes in the fences are, they don't

i'm done with that life



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 01, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
'A' being my house conversion it's nearly done but I'm going to take another week or so off work to shift it along a bit.

Surely your house conversion is finished by now.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Bee Farmer on September 02, 2023, 06:18:42 PM
Surely your house conversion is finished by now.

Didn't you see what he posted in another thread?

Quote
So managed to fish out a bargain last night and got an Armani casual/fashion shirt in the sale half price on the net, was £120 I got it for £60.

That shirt set his home project back about 3 months.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 03, 2023, 02:53:28 AM
Surely your house conversion is finished by now.

I basically set myself up for a project that would prove way more long-winded than I had hoped. Time over again I would just really cut down on it all. I should have partitioned of the space, into 3 small bedrooms, done a quick cosmetic makeover, paved over front & back outside, removed the chimney breast and add a conservatory extension out back.

Instead I did ensuite toilets to every bedroom, reconfigured all the spaces, did a proper masonry extension, put in new stairs, went up into the loft, did a bit of a fancy garden out back and re-did the entranceway for nicer function & appeal.

So while I get a lot better building out of it all which is good long term it took way too long. At the moment just some bits inside to finish off and finish off in the upstairs loft room. So getting towards the end of it but stuff all takes longer than what you might first think. Nearly every job takes longer and everything gets set back. I'm not really one to skimp on jobs as it can bite you in the rear later, not always but I just like knowing the job has been done well and don't look shoddy or going to come back to haunt me.

So just the way it is in life really, to get anything decent can take a lot of effort and time input. It will look more substantial to a FSW at least. I can about get going soon getting over there as the remaining stuff on the house is small stuff and so altogether will be looking decent enough as sometimes it had looked like a bomb had hit the place.

Some people are fortunate in life to be born into very wealthy situations. While my family isn't poor it's not as wealthy as the very wealthy. A very wealthy dude can get looking abroad when he's quite young, spend much time looking and basically have a free hand at it. Kind of wish I had been in that situation but you are where you are in life and just have to go about the best you can.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 06, 2023, 01:50:51 PM
Just kind of thinking tonight. Considering getting out to the FSU/messaging women. Not an easy one as the girl you choose would kind of decide the future and what you want it to be. On top of that there's no indication of chemistry in messaging so kind of like shooting in the dark

The usual, if I message too early I get a woman who wants to spend a week with me whether or not there is attraction, lol. I could ditch her if not as Bill suggests but can be a bit awkward.

I think I'll just have to do this on my terms and not get to bogged down in tying myself to certainties.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 06, 2023, 03:50:27 PM
Ok, I've written to four girls tonight, all in Ukraine. A couple have one child, that's not too bad if they are open to having more, any more and it would kind of feel like bringing up someone else's family so a no go for me.

Decided I just need to go for girls where I think they look my type, where the look fits, or could fit. Kind of if I could see them the type of girl I could feel content waking up every morning and feeling content with. At the moment it's just to get some communication going so nothing serious. Just kind of see which if any I can get on with a bit over a bit of messaging then we'll see.

Always kind of have a thing for Ukrainian girls so although they aren't that easy to get to these days its kind of what I'm comfortable with at the moment.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 11, 2023, 04:34:56 PM
Didn't you see what he posted in another thread?

That shirt set his home project back about 3 months.

hahaha
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: rwd123 on September 11, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
Paul Perkenstein has more hope than Trench.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3yGTl9t5qU

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 11, 2023, 09:39:52 PM
do NOT reach for the wooden speck in Trench's eye
when YOU got a whole freakin tree trunk stuck in your own eye (gospel of Thomas, but there ain't no koine greek. ahramaic, or hebrew word for freakin)

given a choice, id rather be Trench than be you
however poorly Trench's vision is
he can always get glasses
ain't  no body gonna help you  cobber
least of all YOU

best to remain silent, and be thought a fool
than to "sheet post" about someone else
and remove any and all doubt about it

at least he is personable
you ain't

you wanna poke fun at somebody?
well, I'm your huckleberry...
go ahead swagman




Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 12, 2023, 12:48:40 AM
do NOT reach for the wooden speck in Trench's eye
when YOU got a whole freakin tree trunk stuck in your own eye (gospel of Thomas, but there ain't no koine greek. ahramaic, or hebrew word for freakin)

given a choice, id rather be Trench than be you
however poorly Trench's vision is
he can always get glasses
ain't  no body gonna help you  cobber
least of all YOU

best to remain silent, and be thought a fool
than to "sheet post" about someone else
and remove any and all doubt about it

at least he is personable
you ain't

you wanna poke fun at somebody?
well, I'm your huckleberry...
go ahead swagman

Great to see you back Krim and alive! :D I had feared the worst when you suddenly disappeared. This forum certainly wasn't the same without you, in fact it was pretty much dead, on its knees.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 13, 2023, 06:03:58 PM
no one else thinks about your personal failures as much as you do so yourself, and that as long as you don't give up, you can always try again
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 14, 2023, 07:13:03 AM
http://www.thefp.com/p/young-men-who-dropped-out-of-dating-pool

good article for you Trench
but their analysis is incomplete
they don't discuss the topic of mental "strength"

a lotta people face an uphill struggle just tryin to be happy
your struggle is a small hill compared to the mountains that many others face
everyone who quits the race looks the same
but those who climb to the peak all look different

real mental strength is not measured by controlling others
instead, it's how you control yourself
world class athletes put a lot of work into training which requires self control
you're the guy trying to run a marathon, who didn't pay the price it takes to be a winner
so you pay the price for it by losing

you can only get a gold medal by outcompeting your competitors
very few people are "naturals" as-is
everyone else has to work hard to get there
yeah, it's a struggle....

 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 14, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
http://www.thefp.com/p/young-men-who-dropped-out-of-dating-pool

good article for you Trench
but their analysis is incomplete
they don't discuss the topic of mental "strength"

a lotta people face an uphill struggle just tryin to be happy
your struggle is a small hill compared to the mountains that many others face
everyone who quits the race looks the same
but those who climb to the peak all look different

real mental strength is not measured by controlling others
instead, it's how you control yourself
world class athletes put a lot of work into training which requires self control
you're the guy trying to run a marathon, who didn't pay the price it takes to be a winner
so you pay the price for it by losing

you can only get a gold medal by outcompeting your competitors
very few people are "naturals" as-is
everyone else has to work hard to get there
yeah, it's a struggle....

Thanks Krim, an interesting article. Well I have two of the 666 so 66, six foot and six inches down below :D

I also have a couple of College degrees. Would live in the US if I could maybe my chances would be better there than the UK.

The article kind of says what I've been saying for a long while now, that people aren't getting together like they used to and that it's all skewed these days. The guys at the top, much if what might be genetic are getting it all and even some of them apparently stress over it.

So a lot can be pre-determined. The 5'5" Security Guard can't grow an extra few inches. And height as the article shows can be a real bug bear with women. Though even for a taller guy like me I only get a look in with women that are undesirable, mostly. In essence Feminism has screwed up relationships & dating in the west. Sure we can talk about climbing the mountain but the cliff face was never as sheer as it is now, it's was more like a gentle slope before.

I think technology has made a lot of feminism desired possible also. Before we had nukes how many women would be happy to upset the balance. If they did men would likely turn around like I do now and say fine you go off to the front and get a sword, bullet, artillery shell, land mine go into you depending upon the era. I think most women used to shudder at that and be happy for the men to feel obligated to do so to defend what they had. Now so many men don't have anything much to defend as the women have taken it they are more likely to tell the women, screw you, you want it all there you go, I'm off, hasta la vista baby.

Not just nukes though, also stuff like microwaves, they came along and great, full dinners can be cooked in minutes. That liberated women to do other things. Might sound good but it breaks the cycle of mutual reliance between men and women. For men we have the problem of You Tube, back in the day a guy who was knowledgeable on DIY was worth his weight in gold now that knowledge can be had on You Tube for free. No more are men pestered by women in DIY stores wanting how to do something lol. Again it breaks the cycle of dependence between man and woman.

So on the one hand Feminism is upending the dating scene and on the other the co-dependency between men and women is breaking down.

Ukraine of course has microwaves but of course they no longer have nukes ;)

As the article points out though in the west it's not just the men that are losing our but the women. That's something I have been keen to voice early on as it's something that is often missed. Everyday looking women have stupidly high expectations and seem to want a lot compared to what they are. Not only does the deal not live up for the guys they are aiming for it means as a result they just end up getting used for sex and left eventually disappointed.

Before we had a system that suited most and worked. Now we have a system that suits only too few and doesn't work. Why so many have to live a miserable life and even take the sad bs of 'virtual girlfriends' as a way to live life I don't know. The article detailed the weird hanging by a thread way these guys were working out their existence relying on such stuff, none of it was anywhere near a real life like people used to have. The women though are all trying to cram into trying to get hold of the same guys and that's never going to work out, the maths is pretty straightforward on that one lol. Worst still it kind of exposes women's values for what they are - they are really interested in the best providers and will shun those that aren't and that is really unfortunately all that most of them really care about.

The west is not a happy place to be and when the strife from all this properly follows through wait for society to start falling apart fast and for everything to stop working. Unhappy people don't make good workers or good anything else for that matter.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 14, 2023, 05:16:21 PM
Thing is a lot of women tend to be real status snobs, most men don't care that much, only if it falls into their lap or is seen as needed to get the woman. Problem is they think that if they get a high status they deserve a guy that is even more so or at the very least (not so desirable) the same. Guys though don't care how high status a woman is, very few and not much at all. Guys just care about how pretty a girl is, it's how we're wired. Fortunately for them clothing and make up can help out a little to an extent but can't do it all. The gym can help also. So funny thing is, is when they get bamboozled wondering why the top guys take no interest in them lol. They think guys at the top would value them for their status :ROFL:
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 14, 2023, 06:09:25 PM
only a single guy would consider multiple wives a desirable thing...
it ain't in reality

you are hard-wired to want what you want
maybe women are as well

whenever a new socio-economic trend arises
it effects people lower down the economic ladder first...
I think eventually every pretty woman, will be like Anna Nicole Smith
who was a fast food worker who was snapped up by a geriatric billionaire who liked pretty women as much as you do,

i've dealt with a LOT of entitled female narcissisitic behavior
they fit the definition of a parasite looking for a host
that's all they really are
is THAT what you want?

you need to act counter to your hard-wired instinct
and find a compatible woman to have a symbiotic relationship with
keep looks out of the picture
and just look at the person
it's far more important to live with a woman who doesn't feel entitled, cuz she's so danged pretty
stop thinking with your wee little we-we (six inches?)

do you judge your male friends on their looks?
no, then don't do it with women either
choosing a partner for their sex appeal is a bad idea
for many, many reasons
choose a partner who grows attached to you
rather than one you think is "hot"
so if you look at what your options are
you can find age and socio-economic similarity better in the UK than in Ukraine
but you'll have to give up on the idea of having kids and having a porn star wife
somethin' is always better than nothing

if I were you, it wouldn't be the lack of sex i'd miss the most due to being partnerless
but the companionship
it'd really be sad to be old and alone

if you know your ancestor's name, search ancestry.com for him
and you can trace his progeny to the current time
I'd be quite pleased to hear from a long lost relative from the UK
could be a good contact for you, ya never know
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 14, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
only a single guy would consider multiple wives a desirable thing...
it ain't in reality

you are hard-wired to want what you want
maybe women are as well

whenever a new socio-economic trend arises
it effects people lower down the economic ladder first...
I think eventually every pretty woman, will be like Anna Nicole Smith
who was a fast food worker who was snapped up by a geriatric billionaire who liked pretty women as much as you do,

i've dealt with a LOT of entitled female narcissisitic behavior
they fit the definition of a parasite looking for a host
that's all they really are
is THAT what you want?

you need to act counter to your hard-wired instinct
and find a compatible woman to have a symbiotic relationship with
keep looks out of the picture
and just look at the person
it's far more important to live with a woman who doesn't feel entitled, cuz she's so danged pretty
stop thinking with your wee little we-we (six inches?)

do you judge your male friends on their looks?
no, then don't do it with women either
choosing a partner for their sex appeal is a bad idea
for many, many reasons
choose a partner who grows attached to you
rather than one you think is "hot"
so if you look at what your options are
you can find age and socio-economic similarity better in the UK than in Ukraine
but you'll have to give up on the idea of having kids and having a porn star wife
somethin' is always better than nothing

if I were you, it wouldn't be the lack of sex i'd miss the most due to being partnerless
but the companionship
it'd really be sad to be old and alone

if you know your ancestor's name, search ancestry.com for him
and you can trace his progeny to the current time
I'd be quite pleased to hear from a long lost relative from the UK
could be a good contact for you, ya never know

When fully extended. Much more than that isn't much help to a girl as it keep hitting the back of the inside of her apparently which is apparently uncomfortable for her.

Partly it's down to how I naturally feel about a girl when I see her. If she seems into me and vice versa then I would be happy to go ahead. In the past it has tended to be fairly pretty girls but not exclusively, but of course they usually have loads of interest from other guys as well.

I don't think I'm alone in this, rarely is a phenomena just experienced by one individual. Many other guys are probably the same as me they get turned on by the hotter girls as a natural response, stands to reason. I think that's the problem with the system being changed that men are turned on by the hotter girls and more men consider they are eligible for them. In the past the guy would probably do the job he does and while finding the hotter girls attractive would know that what he has access too is all tied to the job he does (his social status). So reality would set in and it would be like, 'ok so I can only really realistically expect these girls' but now I think while women still think of social status in going out to get social status themselves, in competing against men, in wanting and getting equal pay, etc then the are rubbishing the old hierarchy system and with it the value system guys held with it. So now it's like, ok the girls didn't want that system so what's the game now? Men just don't know what females want anymore they just know they didn't like the old stratification system as it was so its an all to play for event with whoever you wish to have a stab at going for as far as men see. Men just aren't directed by the system as they used to be.

Then add to that online dating where the picture is the first thing you see, sometimes not even a profile write up. So there's often only the picture to go by. So do you go for a chick that you find ugly? That you don't think fits with you? Or one you find attractive, that also feels fits with you, that you feel comfortable choosing. If out there of course you could message girls all day for meet up and the longer out there the odds are that you might just call up the less attractive girls just to see what they are like.

Main thing is that the system in the west is just fucked up. So many people, men and women that are having their attention misdirected in the wrong way by a system feminism has brought about that just doesn't work. I guess it cuts down on the population though so perhaps that's what they wanted, the governments that brought in equal pay etc. Shame India didn't do anything about their population, it's mega huge in comparison to the western world.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 14, 2023, 09:00:19 PM
I mean are pretty women even in the FSU good people to date? Well for sure like you point out Krim they can have the worst personality traits and so it can be that they never get to anything like a decent long term relationship, kids, etc. I don't know why apart from the above but it's that I just end up with hoping against it all, silly I guess it sounds but I just hope for a win through with a girl that I feel good about looks  wise and that a good relationship could develop on socialiably as well. Lining myself up for punishment for being in a dream world probably when such a girl becomes trouble but it's just what my mind fires away that it wants lol.

I think that's the thing, changing the system in the west has led to women's and men's basic instincts to be unleashed. Women are increasingly only caring about social status and a few other vain matters. Men are only caring about the vain matter of how pretty a woman is and possibly her tits and bum. All the stuff about whether he/she is a decent person has kind if been rendered almost negligible.

In the FSU most men there probably still concern themselves with whether a girl is a decent person and the pretty bad girls get left aside. Then again they still have the outlook of staying with them for life even if it doesn't always work out because if high divorce rate. Here the for life deal went decades ago, so you're no longer locked in hell with a bad girl whether you like it or not lol.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 15, 2023, 04:28:50 AM
So I have come to a decision if a girl wanted me for character, the way I am, etc I would have gotten with a girl years ago. The only girls that showed interest and were serious were desperate girls, those a little overweight & underpar looks or girls who had baggage, etc. None of that ever excited me enough to date them. The society that once was that my parents had grown up in was passing as I got to my teenage years so I missed out there but no points lamenting that which now won't help me.

Instead, I'm decided upon the decision that some here will see as a bad move but I think is the best move for me. I don't think I would ever be happy with a girl who I didn't feel into or liked looks wise. I don't think a pretty girl or possibly most any girl would ever be interested in me for who I am in a natural attraction sort of way. Sure some out there have greater clout but me it's never sealed it for me.

So I've decided that I just want to reach a deal with a girl I find attractive looks wise, etc. and the FSU seems the best place to do that. It just makes most sense to me as searching for a girl who goes with me for me is a kind of aimless long trek going nowhere as I can see it. Better to put that time and effort to getting to a deal with a girl. I'm not so bothered if a girl cares that much for me, I'm not a child so it's not a big issue for me. If the girl is materialistic but reasonable demands then I would rather just satisfy that and get what I want, intimate times and kids and gain happiness out if that. To me as a western dude I can find that easier to satisfy than a load of guff about how to be, what approach to make, how to act with a girl etc, etc, yada, yada, yada, ad nauseam....

Materialistic girls at least I know their deal and how they function. All this others stuff just doesn't really line up with what I want. For me I think it could be that me and the materialistic girls are at both extreme ends that we actually may suit each other. Once we accept what the deal is and come to an understanding in that I think that is better than a lot of misunderstanding and jostling in a relationship.

I may not be the richest guy around but for a girl who is a bit above average in looks and is reasonable in what she wants it may be the best way forward. The relationship would be best kicked off in the FSU as my Great British Pound goes further out there, then see how it goes, but for me I am now definitely thinking that this is the way to head.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 15, 2023, 06:09:28 AM
LIFE is just a giant casino
you take the hand you're dealt and play it the best you can
sometimes ya win, but most of the time you're gonna lose

don't let the "perfect" be the enemy of the good (hope and change!!!)
to the point you ignore the good
cuz ya wanna ONLY get the big jackpot

you are on the age curve's downward slope
the odds of you hitting the jackpot. get less with each passing day
you need to recalibrate your expectations

in a couple of more years, AI will be generating most of the porn
ya'll gonna be worshipping a completly fabricated ideal depiction of a beautiful woman
that doesn't exist in "real life"

not too different from today's "natural" version
think about how a blind man would feel in your position
what good is a woman's hotness to him?
that which is below that thin veneer is WAY more important to him

Trench, you seem to get locked in to perceptions
that don't WORK for you
but you're too stubborn to let go of them
it's like you have some form of OCD
you HATE change to your life, instead of embracing it

if you don't change yourself, you'll never be lucky enuff to find ANYONE
who will help ya climb outta the hole you dug for yourself
you are totally focued on the wrong thing, and because of that you're gonna die in this hole
fantasizing the whole time you're down there, that a beautiful princess will help you out
stop believing in fairy tales, cuz only YOU will getcha outta that hole

in a sense, young man, you need to "wise-up" and stop pursuing a fantasy
and deal with reality


the direction the future is taking
makes it benefical to have a partner
instead of going solo
this is the problem you have
not the "gee-whiz" I wanna have my very own porn star problem

now go, and sin no more...



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 15, 2023, 12:50:53 PM


if you know your ancestor's name, search ancestry.com for him
and you can trace his progeny to the current time
I'd be quite pleased to hear from a long lost relative from the UK
could be a good contact for you, ya never know

Think I recall as its a few years ago that we discovered the link that the last records that we could look up took it up to around the 1950s then that was it due to privacy restrictions. I think they might have been done kids, some of the lives seem to have ended as sone if their offspring didn't have any kids and some did. Possibly might be able to trace a bit further on I don't know. Cross checking on the Ancestry site is a good idea, not sure if we tried that or if it didn't show anything up or a bit clunky at the time, that or just the UK version we could get up, etc

The records we looked up was from the Church of the Latter Day Saints (The Mormons) as they hold they're own records. A bit of a strange lot from looking online, I looked up the regular Mormons online. They seem attached to their polyester etc, lol. Usually always look a certain way, prim & proper like. Never been to Salt Lake City myself (or Utah) so don't know if they are all a bit like that there. I think you're right it might be interesting so might have another look sometimes and see what I can turf up. I know some genealogy tests also provide links though some may be dubious as to whether they are correct or not. Never done a genealogy test, I know some have hangs ups about who has access to records of your DNA but I'm not so sure it bothers me that much as I don't really have any issues as to why anyone, police etc would want to know.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on September 15, 2023, 04:36:49 PM
Trench,

I come in peace

You're going to need more than a grand a month from your rental and to be frank if you want to be paid as a writer as a side hustle you are going to have to be several leagues better than what you post here.

I don't see why you are so squeamish about earning £8 an hour after tax and the government having £3 once you pass the income tax threshold. You will never get these years back again when you are 60+.

I recently reread a trip report of yours in Kyiv when you say the house is almost ready to rent - in 2019.

I get the theory of avoiding full time work if you can use the spare time to modernise your house, but you can give the impression of being a dilettante.

I know we all have grand ideas and want the best for ourselves, but try to see yourself as the potential Mrs Trench might see you.

This international dating lark costs money and you need more than a grand a month.

I would say be yourself, but also be a better version of yourself. It's not the bargain Armani that you need. Be someone who will do the hard yards.

#TeamTrench





Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 15, 2023, 04:55:03 PM
" several leagues "

no Englishman has ever gone more than hafl-a-league in Rusland
when my dad was in the UK, durin the war, he "was overpaid, and oversexed"
Trench is underpaid and undersexed

ergo, Trench should become an American soldier stationed in Britain
"Hey MANNNNNNN, Wussup"


Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 15, 2023, 06:22:16 PM
" several leagues "

no Englishman has ever gone more than hafl-a-league in Rusland
when my dad was in the UK, durin the war, he "was overpaid, and oversexed"
Trench is underpaid and undersexed

ergo, Trench should become an American soldier stationed in Britain
"Hey MANNNNNNN, Wussup"

You know the funny thing with that article you put up is that it kind of supports why men were always paid more than women, because the women wanted it. As stated in the article the women on say around $60k or so wanted the man to be on around $100k plus, so that's about a third more than them, similar to like it used to be and similar to Ukraine, Russia, etc.

So, and here's my stroke of genius ;D if they expect a man to earn a third more than them then why should they begrudge other women wanting the same, to have men earning a third more than them. That's easier to accomplish if all men earn a third more than women for the same job, thus all women would then be content enough that they are getting a higher status male.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 15, 2023, 06:32:16 PM
ok...
here's another ephinany...

EVERYTHING is a reaction to SOMETHING ELSE

WOW!!!!
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 15, 2023, 06:48:09 PM
Trench,

I come in peace

You're going to need more than a grand a month from your rental and to be frank if you want to be paid as a writer as a side hustle you are going to have to be several leagues better than what you post here.

I don't see why you are so squeamish about earning £8 an hour after tax and the government having £3 once you pass the income tax threshold. You will never get these years back again when you are 60+.

I recently reread a trip report of yours in Kyiv when you say the house is almost ready to rent - in 2019.

I get the theory of avoiding full time work if you can use the spare time to modernise your house, but you can give the impression of being a dilettante.

I know we all have grand ideas and want the best for ourselves, but try to see yourself as the potential Mrs Trench might see you.

This international dating lark costs money and you need more than a grand a month.

I would say be yourself, but also be a better version of yourself. It's not the bargain Armani that you need. Be someone who will do the hard yards.

#TeamTrench

In truth it's a fine balancing/tightrope act. I need the income coming in and like you say Steven it's the type of venture where income tends to weigh in heavy. After all we need to be able to make a good impression with these girls and they see us in a good light. That can be anything from having a nice place to live, good quality clothing, money in the bank, a good income to provide with, gifts, travelling abroad and fun entertainment.

So yeah, the money income thing is where the money needs to be pumping in for it. Once the house is done theoretically I could increase the hours I do or fine another way if bringing in money. Money from my wages and the house will bring in a good income but FSU Dating can be a money hungry venture. So if I can find another way to bring in money then that will be ideal. Then I don't mind letting go of the job if I can spend time over there and fire away at will dating chicks over there as aside from money having your hands free and being over there can can for a lot.

You're kind of right that these are prime income earning years never kind of thought of it that way. Though as you know in the UK, money does not come easy unless you're one of the lucky few. The tax things well I get what you're saying in don't hinder yourself by wanting to not pay too much tax. For me it's kind of efficiency of time/effort as if I can see a potentially better way I will go for it. To my mind no point working all hours and not getting a good deal more money as the opportunity cost is the time I have lost that I might possibly be doing something more productive.

That said yeah women do kind of go for guys that prove to be good workhorses even if they are spending long hours at work to do it. Downside is that not spending enough time with the girl can be problematic sometimes for the relationship.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 15, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
you wanna meet a woman who smiles in response to you
cuz then you will know that she must be kind (IMHO one of the top virtues for all sexes)

if the odds of you finding that is one-in-a-thousand
then you must smile at 1,000 women
i'd keep count ifn I were you
and see if this theory 'O mine is correct or not
these are variables in an equation
stochastic sex, what are the odds of it working?  8)

also when you're accomplishing tasks from a list, every time ya get a new notch, it uses a derivitive of Pavlovs behavioral analysis of the "reward system"
today it's called "reinforcement learning"
the more success, leads you to want even more in a feedback loop
this is ACTUALLY how your brain operates
instead of IT hijacking your personality
you hack your brain's reward system to operate the way YOU want it TO!!!!
can ya'll digg what i'm sayin'?

when you look at life "quantitatively" you can think of new ways to do what you're currently doin individually and sequentially and think about using a multiplier to make it parallel instead of serial
like how do ya do it 100 times at once (like in a social gathering, do SOMETHING that draws people to YOU, cuz of the kinda "energy" you put out
then ya only got do it 10X

think about local historical architecture societies
learn FREAKIN' Welsh for gawd's sake
must be a bunch of other folks wantin to learn/practice Gaelic who ain't geezers
check out if there's a dance studio, for example
you could make a whole list of these kinda places that are "group focused" instead of "individual focused"
by going through you local phone book
i'd be dumbfounded if you couldn't pick up a 100 local places to attend for various and sundry reasons organized A-Z
and also get this me 'bruv
you are now entering an age where the female/male ratio is startin to shift YOUR WAY
especially cuz you wuz never divorced and ain't makin child support payments
sometimes it ain't whatcha got that's important, it's whatcha don't got

segways to the left now...
acting is a LOT of fun, it's more than a simple pretend
self-referencing here, but I've done all sorts of insane character projection (acting!) all over the FSU
acting like a psychopath is even better than actually BEING ONE!
people respond to someone with passion, wheter it be for good or evil, this is WAY beyound good and evil
PASSION!

SLOVO!!
the world is your stage
first learn how to make a proper entrance
you shoulda seen the scene my girls made in the Jewish autonmous oblast pre-war
frankly, they don't get much new "blood" from the outside there...
now Chinese have taken over the timber indutry there with illegal chinese workers
Putin has given China free run of the place!!!
"Paka" to anybody not Chinese now

when I was in the Army I used to wack the Triads in Thailand fighting that evil Communism
and not seizing control of the golden triangle for the West Point Mafia that took over the black tar heroin biz

So I can feel the negative karma from them AND Russians
in birobidzhan
ain't no place for old men now
now matter their "faith"

Trench,
spread your wings and fly little bird
and don't spend the rest of your life in the nest you have in yo mama's quaint little village eatin that Yorksire Puddin' that's actually NOT even puddin a'tall
WTF is wrong with YOU people!

THINK, young master Trench
this is the tool you need to employ to get yourself outta the hole you're in
THINK

Borgia Moy!
I can lead ya to the water, and show ya if someone pissed in it or not (almost ALWAYS someone did!! SLOVO!!)
but you're the one who has to bend down and take a sip

don't be scared now, YOU can DO IT!

and BTW, I have let MANY ugly women fondle my junk in the distant past, and it did not FREAKIN CARE!!
ugly wimmin have a voracious sexual appetite
all you gotta do is just get completely naked, and just kickback and listen to music with your manly 6 inches stretched out to 6.5 inches
and they'll do ALL the work with way more enthusiam than a beautil woman will
just sayin...

you need to try stuff like this to learn to see the truth
by not ever tryin
you have only a vacuum for personally derived experience and knowledge,
and nature abhors a vacuum, just REALLY HATES IT!
so all kinda stuff gets sucked in instead into your cranial cavity to equalize the pressure

OH NO!!! IT"S TRUE!!!
you see, I belong to a certain "Secret Society" whose name I DON"T have to mention
(chuckle)
and we gain spiritual knowledge through our venerated rituals and observances


PS, pre-covid I ran my wife's Ukrainian/Russian web site for sellin cosmetics to FSU countries with her custom cryllic printed product labels and much cheaper and better quality then western products

it made fair money
but BORGOI MOY, did I see some stunning women

however all that I have said here
please be aware that "I am NOT Confuscious"
my persona is much closer to "The Mad  Carriage Greeter"
and that's NOT an act a'tall
it's who I really am!!!!

may I please help you carry that basket of delicios vegatables?
it'd be MY PLEASURE guv'ner, er I mean SIR!!!






Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 16, 2023, 03:52:46 AM
I get your drift Krim, if I were to turn up to some Welsh language learning and check out the talent, if any. Welsh women tend to be the fattest in the UK so I'm not in the best area, lol. Scottish women are apparently the slimmest,  probably the colder weather. Not all Welsh women are short but many are and if course sticky/fat so it can show more being shorter. I think it goes back to mining days when the short people came/stayed in while taller people would have suffered too badly and so the local genetics became short & stocky. I wouldn't bother learning Welsh long though as everyone speaks English so it would be putting a lot of time in the wrong direction if no decent women.

I'm finding online at the moment on FSU dating sites it's easy to get interest of women where it's too skewed in their favour. They are in their forties maybe even late forties and have a kid or two. Basically you are seen as a Muppet who will capitulate all you have to provide for them, any kid all for their needs, like a kind of pension provision they feel entitled too, no thank you! I'm not so sex depraved or lacking in the kitchen to be some woman's goat she wants to tether lol. Honestly, I would rather stay single than accept such a poor deal. Even being a lonely old guy is better than lowering myself to subserviency and a bad deal like that. There's still stuff to do in life and ways to keep yourself occupied better than being used by a woman by striking a bad deal in my opinion. I'll keep looking but I'm not going to fold to a bad deal.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 16, 2023, 08:01:47 AM
WTF, where do come up with these excuses
you...don't know...
you...you...don't know....
about ANY of your excuses for not trying

you come up with a 1,000 excuses for NOT doing something
and never have a single reason for doing it
so...
of course you do NOTHING
obvious, you were never in the military

first mistake you made with your life
it's not nearly as important what the military takes from you
it's what they give you instead
Discipline and self control

keep scratching off names on a list, till ya find one that ya ain't gonna scratch off
tick, tock master Trench
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 17, 2023, 03:38:12 AM
WTF, where do come up with these excuses
you...don't know...
you...you...don't know....
about ANY of your excuses for not trying

you come up with a 1,000 excuses for NOT doing something
and never have a single reason for doing it
so...
of course you do NOTHING
obvious, you were never in the military

first mistake you made with your life
it's not nearly as important what the military takes from you
it's what they give you instead
Discipline and self control

keep scratching off names on a list, till ya find one that ya ain't gonna scratch off
tick, tock master Trench


Yeah I know, didn't help that last night I realised that the women I sent messages too hadn't replied of Fdate because of sone kind of computer glitch. I used a profile I set up months ago so that may be why as it's been unused for a while as I thought I would be in a position to move on this dating stuff months ago. Anyhow, the messages all had two ticks to show that they had been sent through but none of them had highlighted blue ticks to show they had been read. I tested by sending messages to girls that were online at the time and none responded. So it was at that point I realised that they just weren't seeing the messages their end rather than not wishing to see them.

I will set up a new profile tonight and remessage these hotties and hopefully they'll see my messages this time. I copied down who they are and the messages I sent to save myself time. Some of them I am quite keen on, I've decided to message them one at a time in order of preference basically preference being how well I think they would fit with me. Not necessarily the hottest looking as some girls can be too hot and racy so not be the type that would be stable and content. Stable and content looking girls would suit me more I think than girls that are too racy, demanding, etc and may pick up and drop guys like that. Anyhow hopefully I'll get a shot at it now lol, about a week or so down the swaney with me thinking these girls were so I inundated with messages that they just didn't want to see any new messages from guys :-\

So I'll have another go tonight and hopefully will get somewhere :)

On the rest of it I just don't have the free time at the moment to go off doing all this different stuff. The main thing is to get the house finished both to free me up timewise and financially but also to show any prospective girl that I have a decent place to show her. I can't really show a chick a place with mess around and jobs needing to be done.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 17, 2023, 11:03:24 AM
you're DIVERGING instead of CONVERGING
you "read" the jungle, you look for "signs"

and you think about what the pattern of signs mean....
and this formula converges to you gettin your duck

and when ya think ya got it all "sussed out"
you lay down the "ambush"
BINGO!
repeat until ya get your ambush down TIGHT
look..I can show ya "how to do it", but I ain't gonna hold it for ya, while ya put it in, OK?

now what ya DON'T do is wander around the jungle aimlessy, hoping that you're gonna run into a duck...

to the "master Jaegar" there is no distinction between hunting and living, as long as he breathes he is hunting as well
what kinda hunter are YOU Trench?

you like one of them "city boys" who don't know nothin a'tall 'bout hunting
you're the kinda bloke who'd take a fishing rod to hunt ducks with, you'd probably end up with "wicked" cast though i'd go with heaviest sinker ya got
and you could flick that sinker hard/fast enuff to take down a flying duck, kinda like a "sling"
but a 12 ga semi-auto or even a finely made British Douvle Barrel meant for shooting clays would work as well
I'm partial to "Greener" 10=Bore
but the semi-auto gas operated, Benelli/Baretta can use magnums and the Greener can't
OTOH, the greener forces you to have a really tight stealth profile
and once you develop that and THEN switch over to a semi-auto, you become a duck killin machine



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on September 17, 2023, 03:54:30 PM
I don't know the right website to recommend, but my gut says give F Dating a wide berth. It's free for a reason. As has been said more than once: if you get something for free on the internet you are the product, in this case eyeballs for adverts.

Several websites are no longer in operation but there must be something out there worth a few pounds a month.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 17, 2023, 05:23:08 PM
it's a Barbie World, with a Barbie Girl
Imagination...
that is your creation....
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 19, 2023, 01:43:43 AM
I don't know the right website to recommend, but my gut says give F Dating a wide berth. It's free for a reason. As has been said more than once: if you get something for free on the internet you are the product, in this case eyeballs for adverts.

Several websites are no longer in operation but there must be something out there worth a few pounds a month.

Hey Steven, yeah I redone my account on Fdate but found out the mail was working fine lol. Turns out that the girls were just not bothering to read it as while I fitted the age grouping they specified, good photos, etc they were the hotties on there :P Suffice to say it looks like it was because they were probably being deluged with messages from guys so were likely only responding to the very few guys they were already communicating with or the ones they liked head & shoulders above the rest. Looking at their profiles they tend to have a lot of reviews in a short amount of time. So in that way a bit like Tinder the guys all going after the prettiest girls. Handy to have worked that one out at least so I at least know what I'm dealing with now.

Anyway, pleasantly surprised by my inbox this morning one of the hottie girls I had messaged for the first time last night had messaged me back :) Early days but she looks legit, she only has one photo up so probably cuts down on guys going for her. She's an above average looking girl but not model type so the type I like the most, wears regular clothes, a good passport style photo, no pro photo shoot photo which I like. Still stuff to sound out but if all goes well could be a good one, a Ukrainian girl so would have to work something out if it gets to wanting to visit.

I think free sites like Fdate have their advantages as well as disadvantages. The main disadvantage is that any guy can go in their and use the girls for just someone to chat too. I get that from their perspective but I think paid sites are better for them as the girls on free sites get pee'd off by getting used as a free chat service. I think apart from the odd dodgy girl on Fdate most girls are legit and just want to find a guy without all the agency messing about. I think Fdate is a little more popular with guys these days but not as bad as Tinder so with a bit of persistence good results may eventually be had.

Paid sites restricts the girl's to those willing to pay so cuts down on the amount of guys getting in the way time wasting. That said the problem can come in of the girl being too money motivated once she starts recieving an income. A few girls will of course be there just for that so working out which is which is the game. Unless the guy can get with a girl who has real interest in dating, in him as Krim points out it can just end up as a paid entertainer situation. I'm not ruling out paying sites as some guys who have used them in a intelligent way have had results but it's a different scene. You have to know how to swim in that pool and I think you've spent more time swimming in that pool than me Steven and know the ins & outs more. For me I've kind of spent more time swimming in the free dating site pool and while still not an expert tend to know the score reasonably well.

For me at the moment I'll push on in the free dating scene as it's the playground I know best. I think I might have a catch at the moment and got ideas on the rest now so after a rocky start which can happen after some time away on free dating sites I think I might now be able to push in with it :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 19, 2023, 02:36:30 PM
the best way to satisfy your OWN needs
is to satisfy the needs of someone ELSE...

in what way do you consider yourself able to provide for a woman's needs?
being HORNY doesn't count, OK?

so what else are ya left with???
hmmm...what...???
cuz, if you had ANYTHING some woman ALREDY woulda grabbed ya

stop blaming the world for your own deficiency
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 20, 2023, 05:21:31 AM
the best way to satisfy your OWN needs
is to satisfy the needs of someone ELSE...


in what way do you consider yourself able to provide for a woman's needs?
being HORNY doesn't count, OK?

so what else are ya left with???
hmmm...what...???
cuz, if you had ANYTHING some woman ALREDY woulda grabbed ya

stop blaming the world for your own deficiency

Harsh but true Krim, harsh but true... but I do contest that the world is at fault, at least the western feminist world ;)

The first point I think you make is probably the best, I have often gir it the wrong way around in the past and I think probably many do in looking to satisfy ourselves first. But it looking to satisfy others then that satisfaction can flow back through. Not to say anything should be expected but rather a good flow of energy can but not necessarily always flow back around and over again. I see that now.

Well I've got a couple of girls I'm interested in on Fdate, I'm in a early entry slow communication situation at the moment with them but hoping I can get on a good footing with them soon. I think the above point you make can help in that. They are above average pretty girls in their thirties so the right age group and not so pretty as to be too maintenance. More the pretty girl next door pretty. That's the type I prefer as they are still kind of human without being like the top model girls like they've just beamed over from another planet.

Hopefully I'll be able to win at least one over and arrange a meet up :) potential for good things with either of them I think.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 20, 2023, 09:14:14 AM
I'm kinda passive/aggressive with you...
cuz you just frustrate me so much...
but I see them gears insidea yo head start to spin a little better now...

bling!

14k gold rimmed aviator sun glasses circa 1945 (father's pay as single NCO soldier, 3 month salary)
14k gold rolex circa 1945 (purchased in first American PX in Germany 1945 for $430 USD, there went another couple of month's pay, nice bein single and can spend all that money on yourself!

heavy platinum chain and water-proof cover to hold US dogtag and Israeli "diskit"
my base pay for 6 months
not including "extra-curricular" sources of income, where I could easily earn that much in cash in a week, and there weren't too many other ways of spending that money, cuz ya sure as hell could't stick it in a bank!

wear yur dog tags with platinum dangling down your chest
and do your little "catwalk" down the beach amongst the lesser ukrainian mortals
Ukrainians are NOT used to seeing "in-shape" western men, just geezers mostly, and 'bottom-of-the-barrel' can't get a western woman types
so that when they DO see one
they get a female erection

NO...it's TRUE
and girls in bikinis will nervously approach you

if you RESPOND in a warm, friendly welcoming laid back way
you are at most a couple of hours away from getting laid
and you are as 'disrobed' as they are
it changes the dynamic tremendously

I could EASILY do this in my 40s there


sunglasses are a must, the gold ones, perfect
you are an inscrutable Greek God casually strolling down the beach
you aren't watching the girls any where near as much as they are watching YOU!
you can let a girl handle your platinum chain and they'll be shocked at how HEAVY it is
and the fact it's worth a year/s of their income
AND you're trusting them by letting them hold it!

piece de resistance
you open up your little travel cooler and whip out some 'snacks'
soon...
all the cute little flys is gonna be buzzin 'round ya
and they ALL wanna get a taste of somethin' sweet
and 'back in the day' none of em EVER saw CHEEZ-WHIZ before
so ya whip out a can and a paper plate with crackers

cracker wimmin like actual crackers!!
who'd a ever thunk it?

this must be one of them 'universal truths' that are self 'evident'
that some like attracts the same like
and sometimes like repels like
corollary: some crazy people like other crazy people and some are repelled by them
it's like your blood type
what's yours?
crazy+ or crazy-
I find myself highly attracted to 'female deviants'
the kinda gal who'll conceal a derringer for ya on her leg, just below her crotch all night long
cuz no ones gonna stick their hand there


what if your entire personality could be explained by a network of these 'binary' inputs of this type and that type for this and that
and that it can become a representation of you

Scene II
Entrance from stage left, a pink talking octopus on purple roller skates...

opportunitys are everywhere, (black ink squirted, octopus cheeks turns redder)

but some venues are better than others, he opines...

pretty damned hard to beat a topless beach in Ukraine on a hot summer's day, sun lotion applied to nipples, glistens the best at high noon with the sun straight overhead
SLOVO!

and then the octopus does a backflip into his aquarium and starts humping an unlucky crab before he eats it!

Russki Gazetta

so far, only 7 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, but 280,000 are missing"
only confirmed killed are given insurance money
so if you don't want your son to be listed as missing
and for us to steal his insurance money instead
you better keep YOUR DAMED MOUTH SHUT about about the war, GOT IT SUKA!!!

this is how the Russian mafiya of mafiyas run the country
lies...extortion...violence...punishment...
fear...
greed...
thought control...

just think about that on top of all that misery you're like the one in 4 people in Russian far east that doesn't have modern indoor plumbing
please send your kids to fight for Moscow and St Peters. oligarchs who wanna carve up ukraine for themselves
and then use Ukrainian population as soldiers with next wars in Georgia (cutting off Atlantic Richfield's access to Capian oil and gas)
and Moldova

remember Crimean war was over Britain's reaction to Russian takeover of Moldova
look how close we are to this now...

the heart of darkness, how greed of the few led to fear for the many
all that blood soaked into the earth
and all that yet to come

when the angels shed tears
those are the bitterest tears you'll ever know

like a single mother's who lost her only son...

why?
and for whom?

no matter the century, these mothers all ask the same question
and it'll just keep goin thisaway for EVER and EVER
until one day, the mothers finally get an answer

but meanwhile, the waiting is excruciating
if the mothers can be bought off with insurance money, i.e. pieces of paper putin's gov prints that has 'value'
if THEY of all people can be bought
then what hope is there in this society
this is just one of the infinte examples of the rotten state of Russian society
it smells like an advanced state of gangrene has set in

you can see the stunned looks of the few remaining old people in each new war cemetary on both Russian and Ukrainian side
they all got this sad WTF look...

WE INTERRUPT THIS PROGRAM FOR SPECIAL NEWS BULLETIN!
EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!!
REPEAT!! EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!!

In the future, every town gonna be a 'ghost town'

every town is already lined up in a ring of dominos
once the first one falls...then it'll be the second...then the third...
until
nothing remains...
not even a whimper

game over man

if god is comin, I hope he'll come before then
and it's NOT too late

all roads to the future converge to the same endpoint
the way a lens refracts the light so a 5 yr old kid can use a magnifying lens to become gawd awmighty raining fire amonst the tiny beings below

which side of the magnifing glass are we gonna be?
who will see for a tiny instant the bright light before their body is consumed by their fats breaking down and burning
and the alluring smell of bacon fills the air

and 99 red chinese balloons floating way up high, in the summer sky
it's wary, wary, super scary...











Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 20, 2023, 03:04:52 PM
I'm kinda passive/aggressive with you...
cuz you just frustrate me so much...
but I see them gears insidea yo head start to spin a little better now...

bling!

14k gold rimmed aviator sun glasses circa 1945 (father's pay as single NCO soldier, 3 month salary)
14k gold rolex circa 1945 (purchased in first American PX in Germany 1945 for $430 USD, there went another couple of month's pay, nice bein single and can spend all that money on yourself!

heavy platinum chain and water-proof cover to hold US dogtag and Israeli "diskit"
my base pay for 6 months
not including "extra-curricular" sources of income, where I could easily earn that much in cash in a week, and there weren't too many other ways of spending that money, cuz ya sure as hell could't stick it in a bank!

wear yur dog tags with platinum dangling down your chest
and do your little "catwalk" down the beach amongst the lesser ukrainian mortals
Ukrainians are NOT used to seeing "in-shape" western men, just geezers mostly, and 'bottom-of-the-barrel' can't get a western woman types
so that when they DO see one
they get a female erection

NO...it's TRUE
and girls in bikinis will nervously approach you

if you RESPOND in a warm, friendly welcoming laid back way
you are at most a couple of hours away from getting laid
and you are as 'disrobed' as they are
it changes the dynamic tremendously

I could EASILY do this in my 40s there


sunglasses are a must, the gold ones, perfect
you are an inscrutable Greek God casually strolling down the beach
you aren't watching the girls any where near as much as they are watching YOU!
you can let a girl handle your platinum chain and they'll be shocked at how HEAVY it is
and the fact it's worth a year/s of their income
AND you're trusting them by letting them hold it!

piece de resistance
you open up your little travel cooler and whip out some 'snacks'
soon...
all the cute little flys is gonna be buzzin 'round ya
and they ALL wanna get a taste of somethin' sweet
and 'back in the day' none of em EVER saw CHEEZ-WHIZ before
so ya whip out a can and a paper plate with crackers

cracker wimmin like actual crackers!!
who'd a ever thunk it?

this must be one of them 'universal truths' that are self 'evident'
that some like attracts the same like
and sometimes like repels like
corollary: some crazy people like other crazy people and some are repelled by them
it's like your blood type
what's yours?
crazy+ or crazy-
I find myself highly attracted to 'female deviants'
the kinda gal who'll conceal a derringer for ya on her leg, just below her crotch all night long
cuz no ones gonna stick their hand there


what if your entire personality could be explained by a network of these 'binary' inputs of this type and that type for this and that
and that it can become a representation of you

Scene II
Entrance from stage left, a pink talking octopus on purple roller skates...

opportunitys are everywhere, (black ink squirted, octopus cheeks turns redder)

but some venues are better than others, he opines...

pretty damned hard to beat a topless beach in Ukraine on a hot summer's day, sun lotion applied to nipples, glistens the best at high noon with the sun straight overhead
SLOVO!

and then the octopus does a backflip into his aquarium and starts humping an unlucky crab before he eats it!

Russki Gazetta

so far, only 7 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, but 280,000 are missing"
only confirmed killed are given insurance money
so if you don't want your son to be listed as missing
and for us to steal his insurance money instead
you better keep YOUR DAMED MOUTH SHUT about about the war, GOT IT SUKA!!!

this is how the Russian mafiya of mafiyas run the country
lies...extortion...violence...punishment...
fear...
greed...
thought control...

just think about that on top of all that misery you're like the one in 4 people in Russian far east that doesn't have modern indoor plumbing
please send your kids to fight for Moscow and St Peters. oligarchs who wanna carve up ukraine for themselves
and then use Ukrainian population as soldiers with next wars in Georgia (cutting off Atlantic Richfield's access to Capian oil and gas)
and Moldova

remember Crimean war was over Britain's reaction to Russian takeover of Moldova
look how close we are to this now...

the heart of darkness, how greed of the few led to fear for the many
all that blood soaked into the earth
and all that yet to come

when the angels shed tears
those are the bitterest tears you'll ever know

like a single mother's who lost her only son...

why?
and for whom?

no matter the century, these mothers all ask the same question
and it'll just keep goin thisaway for EVER and EVER
until one day, the mothers finally get an answer

but meanwhile, the waiting is excruciating
if the mothers can be bought off with insurance money, i.e. pieces of paper putin's gov prints that has 'value'
if THEY of all people can be bought
then what hope is there in this society
this is just one of the infinte examples of the rotten state of Russian society
it smells like an advanced state of gangrene has set in

you can see the stunned looks of the few remaining old people in each new war cemetary on both Russian and Ukrainian side
they all got this sad WTF look...

WE INTERRUPT THIS PROGRAM FOR SPECIAL NEWS BULLETIN!
EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!!
REPEAT!! EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!!

In the future, every town gonna be a 'ghost town'

every town is already lined up in a ring of dominos
once the first one falls...then it'll be the second...then the third...
until
nothing remains...
not even a whimper

game over man

if god is comin, I hope he'll come before then
and it's NOT too late

all roads to the future converge to the same endpoint
the way a lens refracts the light so a 5 yr old kid can use a magnifying lens to become gawd awmighty raining fire amonst the tiny beings below

which side of the magnifing glass are we gonna be?
who will see for a tiny instant the bright light before their body is consumed by their fats breaking down and burning
and the alluring smell of bacon fills the air

and 99 red chinese balloons floating way up high, in the summer sky
it's wary, wary, super scary...

Hey Krim, yeah I get your drift with all the world ending stuff. Depends on the situation you're in with such an eventuality. Accept it or Do what you can to try to Survive by preparing as best you can in advance.

Dunno while playing the game out well there's something in that I think if you lose those you are close to would you want to go on is an issue for me.


Well onto more jollier topics, yeah I get what you say also more now about the whole hottie girl wants a hottie guy kind of thing :P

As an everyday guy in most respects I kind of bought into the whole a girl wanting you for you thing growing up, from parents etc. I think though that many don't like to say how things really are. I have gotten a fair bit of interest from some hot women in the past but never really landed one at home. So stuff that can help out with that and do a fair bit of the heavy lifting for me is making sense. Like you say it kind of makes sense that that a hot girl you also need to look great as that is what she will be wanting also. So looking great is the key in order to make an easier task of it.

For me that means doing it on a budget. I know it can't be too cheap as otherwise it undermines the whole point of it all. But going for some good deals that aren't too far adrift I reckon is the way for a guy like me who's only got so much cash to splash.

With the aviator sunglasses I'm thinking of getting a pair of 24ct gold plated 80s/90s Ray Ban sunglasses used off eBay. Obviously in decent enough condition not full of scratches, etc. My guess is that would do it in terms of looking better and more wealthy, a good brand, style, etc. Also if I spent too much money I would be in constant fear of them going walking. My guess is those 45' Aviator sunglasses of yours are worth a mint Krim, I'm surprised they weren't out to rob you out there.

Car wise I'm thinking of getting a poor man's sports car, my father always said he should have gone for one lol. I was thinking previously of getting an old Merc convertible but they can still be a bit second hand and I don't want to sink a lot of money into it at the moment. Plus I hear upkeep costs can be steep on them.

So I'm thinking of a Mazda MX-5 Convertible. There's some dirt cheap real old ones about where the paintwork is still is good nick and maintenance issues aren't too extreme. They look kind of quaint like an old classic British sports car, kind of a nice profile. Girl would probably think they are worth a bit as a bit racy looking and because it's a convertible, moreso foreign girls I think. So I think that could well do it for me without breaking the bank :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 20, 2023, 07:28:21 PM
I had an '81 RX7 with wankel engine
and a '90 Datsun 300X
both with detachable roof panels
custom metallic blue/green paint job
never drove such nice handling cars
wouldn't drive them here in Texas, other drivers are too dangerous
so I stick with the standard high wheel base SUV
to give better visibility and road handling during flood/hurracaine

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 20, 2023, 08:49:50 PM
With some of my purchases, clothing, items, I kind of like going for stuff that I might get lucky with and actually appreciate in value. So stuff that looks a bit of an iconic and unique design and is kind of limited edition stuff. Figure if I'm going to spend a bit more money than usual on that stuff apart from stuff I like being aware of pieces that might later become collectors items can be a good move also.

Ok, so I've now bought myself a 24K gold plated pair of Ray Ban Aviator sunglasses 1992 Olympic Edition. Just got to wait for them to arrive. In pretty good condition considering they're just over 30 years old. Good news with getting them second hand is that so long as I keep them pretty decent I will likely be able to sell them on for around the same price. I reckon being tied to the 92 Olympics will make them more collectable as will being gold plated and from when the company was American and producing better quality stuff material wise than when it became Italian. For me the 92 Barcelona Olympics is quite a memorable time as it was around the cross over from USSR to what would become the Russian Federation. That of course is what allowed the whole visiting the FSU to date FSW thing to kick off. Barcelona always looked a very pretty city on TV back then during the Games, will have to visit sometime perhaps.

Anyhow the sunglasses came within the quality but not too expensive price range so although would be a pain to lose which of course I would try not to (I've never lost any pair of glasses to date nor irreparably damaged any) they aren't so expensive as to be constantly worried about losing them. I reckon the quality will show through and the girl will be suitably impressed :D Best case scenario they may be the sort of item that has the brand, vintage, reasonable rarity, style and association that may push them up in value going forward and make them highly collectible which will make me a happy trenchie if it does so. My guess is over time the American era Ray Ban stuff will become more valuable as not more of it is being produced and that could be good news for me :)
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 24, 2023, 03:59:26 AM
So yeah, my sunglasses should arrive this Tuesday. I'm really looking forward to seeing them for real. Being in 28ct gold should make them really bling brightly and let's face it no one's going to know that their not 28ct gold right the way through :D I've also got a Platinum plated neck chain coming again same deal that no one will no if it's right through or not as looks the same either way. Big plus is if it goes walk abouts then will it is a big pain for me it's not gut wrenching loss or money or a sentimental family heirloom.

The Ray ban Aviator sunglasses were £150 second hand off the bay and I think look great, a nice style and quality look. Being over 30 years old now I think they could probably be described as vintage. The platinum plated chain was much cheaper, a new one for £15 another I've won at auction for £26 but I not sure they'll honour the auction but we'll see.

So soon I'll be like son of Krim, lol. Only unbeknown to many the cheaper version off, same look on the outside but a value conscious effort ;D

Girl issues on Fdate at the moment though, the two hottie girls I'm after well both responded after a bit but now nothing. One hasn't been on there in a few days the other has but not responded. I'm thinking one is fed up with all the talk on there the other is having her time taken over by a lonely keyboard romeo, possibly might even be sending her stuff to keep her engaged with him. I don't think it will be a good move for me to play the same game so tonight I'm going to try to outmanoeuvre the situation ;) I'll wait until she's just logged on so more chance of her reading my message and then I'll send her one offering the chance to meet up in Moldova (closest region to where she is in Ukraine). If she accepts then I can arrange the visit and that hopefully gives me the upper hand :D I'll blow the Keyboard Romeos out of the water and we'll get to meet up. It's what I want anyway so although good to get a bit of intro chat down first competition has gotten so brisk out there that it's the only card left to play. She's in her early to mid thirties with no children so I think she is likely after the family option but doesn't yet realise that the guys she is talking to just aren't going to visit.

For me the Moldova trip can always end up a holiday away or bring up more girls while out there if it doesn't work out. She's a little cutie so she's got a lot of guys after her, not quite a model but above average looking great girlfriend material looking. Sort of girl I wouldn't like to pass up. Sort of girl I wouldn't like to bring back to the UK to begin with as other dudes would soon be moving in like a load of sharks sniffing out like when someone has fallen in the water type of thing. So definitely one to keep out in a relationship out that direction and get preggers first or whatever the deal she's definitely one to lock down. Her age is pretty good as in a few years it may help avoid a lot of the younger dudes going after her but my guess is that she will age well, still looks great at the moment.

Anyhow that's about the progress for the moment, will update as stuff proceeds.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on September 24, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
The theories never stop coming.
Trenchie. Those antique sunglasses will have those hotties swamping you.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 24, 2023, 04:55:48 PM
The theories never stop coming.
Trenchie. Those antique sunglasses will have those hotties swamping you.

Lol, yeah they could do, will have to try them out at home if there is any sunny days left this year.

I guess I get it now it's all about looks. I guess I kind of new it a bit before but it just seemed so silly. I saw girls falling for it but couldn't believe they are so easily led. If you have two guys earning low money and one banks the money and just buts a few cheap but durable good value items and the other spends all he's money on expensive items that are just as durable but expensive looking then who does the girl go for? On paper the guy who banks the money should come top but she sees nothing of that, he makes more practical sound decisions but she sees nothing of that. A shame as he's possibly the better guy, more balanced, discernable, knows a good deal but she does not see that. All she sees is the guy who looks flash but is skint in his bank account, possibly in debt. The other guy is in fact more financially sound even if she doesn't see it. She just think the flash guy is more affluent merely based on looks of what he is wearing, etc.

It's kind of like in the film, 'catch me if you can' with Leonardo and Tom Hanks. Aside from the fraud to bank roll it all he plays the part that the women want to see. If he played the cleaner no girl would want to know but if he plays the part that women associate with something a bit flash then they are all swooning over him, same guy just playing what they want to see. The difference in girl that is attracted to you is no doubt an eye opener.

This is how sexy my night may become gaunty! :P

http://youtu.be/HH0DX3lB9Hk?si=33DYOY5DKaph71mv
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Bee Farmer on September 24, 2023, 06:05:35 PM
So yeah, my sunglasses should arrive this Tuesday. I'm really looking forward to seeing them for real. Being in 28ct gold should make them really bling brightly and let's face it no one's going to know that their not 28ct gold right the way through :D

Trench, I guarantee you that every single person will know they are not 28 carat (or karat) gold.  But be sure to tell everyone they are 28 ct gold.  You'll be able to make all the girls die laughing, and getting a girl to laugh is a great intro.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 24, 2023, 06:53:24 PM
Bee Farmer, I can imagine HOW MANY times YOU made some poor female you encountered laugh
BUT...
not in a GOOD WAY

Trench was 1 digit off; 18 and not 28
you are OFF BY WAY WAY MORE THAN THAT
WAY MORE
Vast Astronomical SUMS of being WAY, WAY, OFF
in trying to find your way in life

you have NO CLUE WHY your life is so phuqued up
NO CLUE at all

to me it's crystal CLEAR
when YOU LOOK at YOURSELF
you don't SEE what others see

you are completely blind as to how phuqued you are
due to the environment you grew up in
and NEVER grew out of it and escaped from it
and this WHY you're NEVER gonna succeed at DOING ANYTHING with your life
except read dumb crap to fill the VOID in your mind

big tip for you, you're in your mid 40s right
well now you're skiing downhill on a steep slope
and in a few more years...
you ain't gonna be skiing at all
just watchin old Matlock episodes and eatin TV dinners

no pressure...
but face it, you're gonna be one REALLY Cranky old man, say 20 yrs from now
when you STILL ain' "got none" LOL

but yes, of course, do go ahead and lecture us "on the proper way" to live
a subject you obviously have absolutely ZERO experience with

the irony of your lecture is its entertainment
a cripple tellin us all how to dance correctly

well then...
SHOW US!!!!

lemme see ya snap them heels BOY!!!!
sheeeetttt he fell flat on his face.....
some dancer... sic transit authority on him for vagrancy






Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 24, 2023, 07:16:52 PM
Trench, I guarantee you that every single person will know they are not 28 carat (or karat) gold.  But be sure to tell everyone they are 28 ct gold.  You'll be able to make all the girls die laughing, and getting a girl to laugh is a great intro.

Sorry my mistake, I meant to say they are 24ct gold which of course is the purest gold, 28ct gold doesn't exist so I made an error in writing that down.

So yeah they are plated in 24ct gold, that's real 24ct gold so they are actually gold to the extent of the plating. There is just no gold underneath but the girls don't know that, I won't tell them that of course ;D

So yeah they are visually real gold so should look good because of that. Being 24ct gold they are very vibrant and shiny so definitely bling :D They have the classic Ray ban G15 light greenish/blackish lenses so they should look good and I reckon be quite sought after in future as quite iconic so should add to interest.

There is a piece de resistance which is too good to share here, it's not the cooler box though lol, Though that sounds a good idea also.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 24, 2023, 07:39:17 PM
Bee Farmer, I can imagine HOW MANY times YOU made some poor female you encountered laugh
BUT...
not in a GOOD WAY

Trench was 1 digit off; 18 and not 28
you are OFF BY WAY WAY MORE THAN THAT
WAY MORE
Vast Astronomical SUMS of being WAY, WAY, OFF
in trying to find your way in life

you have NO CLUE WHY your life is so phuqued up
NO CLUE at all

to me it's crystal CLEAR
when YOU LOOK at YOURSELF
you don't SEE what others see

you are completely blind as to how phuqued you are
due to the environment you grew up in
and NEVER grew out of it and escaped from it
and this WHY you're NEVER gonna succeed at DOING ANYTHING with your life
except read dumb crap to fill the VOID in your mind

big tip for you, you're in your mid 40s right
well now you're skiing downhill on a steep slope
and in a few more years...
you ain't gonna be skiing at all
just watchin old Matlock episodes and eatin TV dinners

no pressure...
but face it, you're gonna be one REALLY Cranky old man, say 20 yrs from now
when you STILL ain' "got none" LOL

but yes, of course, do go ahead and lecture us "on the proper way" to live
a subject you obviously have absolutely ZERO experience with

the irony of your lecture is its entertainment
a cripple tellin us all how to dance correctly

well then...
SHOW US!!!!

lemme see ya snap them heels BOY!!!!
sheeeetttt he fell flat on his face.....
some dancer... sic transit authority on him for vagrancy

Bee Farmer, while what Krim says might sound like he's being harsh I think what he is saying is worth thinking about, not taking his words as insult but in a neutral objective way.

As can be said what is the point to making the same mistake time over and failing due to the same issue. What if it's not a great deal that you have to change just being open to another way you might not have thought as being the better way actually might actually be the better way, at least where dating is concerned.

A lot of girls just don't want to get with a guy who comes across as an ordinary Joe these days, a steady Neddy. They want a guy who looks like he is way up there, a bit of a flash lifestyle. The only girls that may just be content with a steady guy will be at best the mediocre looking girls in Ukraine. The pretty girls will all want a guy who looks like he has something decent to offer in terms of looking like he can provide a good lifestyle.

Trying to read all sorts of stuff about people, dating, psychology is all very well but in Ukraine, etc it's the money that talks. Money takes top podium position out there so if you've got it and you are careful about how you leverage it you can make stuff happen. If you want to carry on as you are ok but it's the not so attractive ladies where you'll find acceptance, even the everyday looking girls want a guy who looks like he can provide well out there.

If I knew years ago what I know now I would have bought this gear back then. Without knowing I would have thought I'm crazy but if you go about it in an intelligent manner it can pay dividends for you and need not cost the earth. The girls out there want to look up to their guy and killing it with some fancy gear on floats their boat and makes it a while lot easier going. So how difficult is that to do? Way easier than working your way through all sorts of well sounding but not necessarily as useful as they sound psychological stuff.

I would say what's the harm in giving what Krim suggests a go, if you're about my age, mid forties or so then what have you really got to lose? A few quid to find out? Anyone only has so much time on this planet so why be the same ol' same, no joy in being the same all you're life I think.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on September 25, 2023, 12:34:43 AM
So you attract bees with honey and then at some point like Paul Daniels you quickly swap it for mushy peas and hope they don't notice?
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 25, 2023, 03:31:29 AM
So you attract bees with honey and then at some point like Paul Daniels you quickly swap it for mushy peas and hope they don't notice?

Lol, yeah I get your drift Steven. It's a case of going through the whole lot and getting it all lining up. Once my house is done I'm going to sell my old supermini and get my poor man's sports car :D I was looking up last night and insurance costs are a lot more for me around £430 a year. The Mazda MX-5 has fairly cheap spares and running costs, the tyres cost a little bit more think it was about £100-130 each but not too much and probably last a bit longer as a bit bigger tyre.

Biggest issue would be my house, I've tarted up the front a lot, just finishing of the front paving area. Looks very nice compared to what it was when I bought it, bramble & long grass - a mess. I've repainted the bits of edging brick work, the rest a dressed stone facade, old miners terrace/townhouse. Quite quaint looking, I've hung out hanging basket, a few plants to help increase the curb appeal also. Problem is that a fair amount of the other houses look a bit shabby as not done up as well, peeling paint on edging brickwork, etc. Inside my house is starting to look nice and back garden is good now. So being near a decent town centre it could be put across as the high price for living so close to a decent town centre/heritage of it all.

In theory it's probably a good step up from the concrete block of flats most live in out there so a bit more space and more nicer deal. On the other hand though it's no fancy big house, so it relies on the girl being somewhat grounded. That all said it's really more of an investment property for me and not where I would often be based. Yo mama's village house is a lot larger and more impressive, detached backing onto a park and with a nice front and back garden and in a relatively expensive area. Needs a bit more tarting up inside which I am getting around too. Still that all said I see it more as dating to the girl, 'this is the area I live in, my house in the other area is an investment property, I live with my Mother a fair amount to assist her in her old age, I could get nice accommodation locally myself if needs be and will do if needed'. There's that but that would be down the line if I was bringing her over, a pretty chick I would insist on starting the relationship out there (spend some time out there, some time in the UK on 'business'). So I would just tell her about the situation and show her the properties and tell her it's all business geared.

Wherever she lived I should be able to afford a decent property to rent, so keeping up the facade ;D Out in the FSU our money goes a long way and I would be able to afford a better place than most local guys. That would impress the chick immensely and put me in the right light. Most FSW basically don't know about western men all that much, they think if you've got the money to fly out there you're wealthy. If you walk the walk and talk the talk, basically look the part that will fall in with their existing views of western men. If you provide a nice place out there then the girl will be, 'hey this guy definitely IS the bona fide real deal'. It will place you above pretty much all the other local dudes. In addition to looking like your in the wealthy upper echelons of society you come from a good western country and have the passport - another sign of status.

Most women the world over are status hoe's. They crave higher status and a plush comfortable lifestyle. They want the look of you are doing well and well off. That's what I didn't take seriously enough all my life, especially in my younger years. I heard and saw other guys putting on the look and thought their silly as their bank accounts would tell a different story and likely did so. They were probably less wealthy than me but had shelled out all their earning on an expensive brand jacket, clothing, etc. I use to think what a waste but the new that although there was nothing backing it all up the women fall for the facade, the look of it all. A guy could be renting a nice flat shelled out all his money to look the part set against another guy who owns his own small house but doesn't look fancy, guess which guy attracts most girls?

It's silly I know but it's what women go for, their attracted to bling. I see it now, it draws their eye like a girl with her tits hanging out draws the eye of a guy. Most of us don't really care about our look beyond basic presentation but women do. Most don't want to look at guys that lok like the ordinary Joe, that look like an everyday guy who would blend into the background so easily, who might be a cleaner, car park attendant or office clerk. They really want the guy who stands out and looks above the rest. Sure it has to follow through the whole way, no good wearing fancy stuff then jumping into an old beat up super mini, that would kind of ruin it all lol :ROFL:

The importance thing is to work on making it all line up. The  knight in shining armour needs a stallion to mount, he doesn't get on an old donkey ;) Women want to see a light in shining armour on a stallion even if the armour is antique but lovely and the stallion aging but grand. So yeah I agree I can't have the turn to mushy peas lol I will have to put in a good front across the board and look like I have money, that means finding good deals to do it all on, stuff that's not going to sap me economically too much but at the same time look the part and look decent, that's what FSW want to see after all and why many look abroad. They can get the poor busted looking guys at home they don't want a foreign looking version. As FSW often say they don't want a guy who is 'cheap' or 'greedy' so they want a guy who looks like he has a few bob and won't begrudge spending it when needs be.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 25, 2023, 08:09:02 AM
was Jesus RIGHT after all?

should we show empathy to our enemies?
or should we fight them instead?

color me confused

my instinct has ALWAYS been hardwired for fighting
tall, long muscular arms and an aggressive violent attitude towards all other men, but very SWEET on women

I am WELL traveled
I have been to places where all the suffering in the world was soaked into the ground below
and you still see in some places scattered white bones on top of the soil, that nothing has ever grown on, not a single blade of grass
this'd NOT be a good place to take hallucinogens of any kind

OTOH, if you're with a group of dewds you can trip in the MontMarte Cemetary at night, but watch out for the junkies
and that's WHAT gets freaky when you're ALL tryin to decide if the figures that are approaching you, are they junkies or apparitions
that moment of uncertainty...

other than Bee Farmer, no man, is an island unto himself
the death of one, diminishes us all...

this is the time of division and war
brother will fight brother
all men will turn on each other
and betray each other for 30 percent of Rosneft
they are no longer their brother's keeper, no longer even brothers

and the 4 horseman run wild

Poluska Pole bitch
how are the oligarchs gonna be rich?
which droog of yours is gonna snitch?

Raz, Vaz Avto-Bus!!!
nitrous oxide and vape party in the back
I grab the pretty blond's Jhoppa and she frowns at me and points to her boyfriend
who just shrugs his shoulders at me...

good times in Volgagrad up on the hill lookin at the river boats

two centuries ago my jooish ancesators who lived in the Pale of Settlement
were River traders on the Desna river and it's tributaries in the Chernigov Gubernaya
those of my ancestors who weren't river traders dwelled mainly in the town of Nezhin, a grimy lookin sthetl with 3 dirt roads, a real metropolis
whose biggest industry was growin cucumbers...yawn...
they were craftsmen cuz they weren't allowed to own farm land
so they were tailors, cobblers, iron smiths, candy makers, you name it
they ALL had a skill they could make money with
ALL OF THEM!


my family were part of a boat dwelling group of "Yvrey Traders", who made several loops within the river network each year
buying at one port and selling at another
this was a family run business and you inherited the boat as well as the business contact network

by the time of the Russian Revolution and the 1919 Pogrom, this culture went extinct
I am a descendent of one of the few who emmigrated to the USA
my father was first generation American of this family tree

I am well aware of my family's background
and why it makes me different from others
no two snowflakes are ever the same n'est pas?

A long time ago, I talked to old people who lived in all the little surrounding villages like Borzna about what happened to the boats?
this 'ole starik told me they were all collected and burned and told me their location
but I didn't have my snorkling gear or other equipment
so I didn't go...

I am the product of the hard path my Ukrainian and English ancestors rode down
and my children are MUCH, MUCH SHARPER than me!!!

I knew backbreeding with slavic genes would work well!!!
we were already inter-mixed for a long time, and is why so many of the Joos in my family were blond










Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 26, 2023, 12:57:35 AM
was Jesus RIGHT after all?

should we show empathy to our enemies?
or should we fight them instead?

color me confused

my instinct has ALWAYS been hardwired for fighting
tall, long muscular arms and an aggressive violent attitude towards all other men, but very SWEET on women

I am WELL traveled
I have been to places where all the suffering in the world was soaked into the ground below
and you still see in some places scattered white bones on top of the soil, that nothing has ever grown on, not a single blade of grass
this'd NOT be a good place to take hallucinogens of any kind

OTOH, if you're with a group of dewds you can trip in the MontMarte Cemetary at night, but watch out for the junkies
and that's WHAT gets freaky when you're ALL tryin to decide if the figures that are approaching you, are they junkies or apparitions
that moment of uncertainty...

other than Bee Farmer, no man, is an island unto himself
the death of one, diminishes us all...

this is the time of division and war
brother will fight brother
all men will turn on each other
and betray each other for 30 percent of Rosneft
they are no longer their brother's keeper, no longer even brothers

and the 4 horseman run wild

Poluska Pole bitch
how are the oligarchs gonna be rich?
which droog of yours is gonna snitch?

Raz, Vaz Avto-Bus!!!
nitrous oxide and vape party in the back
I grab the pretty blond's Jhoppa and she frowns at me and points to her boyfriend
who just shrugs his shoulders at me...

good times in Volgagrad up on the hill lookin at the river boats

two centuries ago my jooish ancesators who lived in the Pale of Settlement
were River traders on the Desna river and it's tributaries in the Chernigov Gubernaya
those of my ancestors who weren't river traders dwelled mainly in the town of Nezhin, a grimy lookin sthetl with 3 dirt roads, a real metropolis
whose biggest industry was growin cucumbers...yawn...
they were craftsmen cuz they weren't allowed to own farm land
so they were tailors, cobblers, iron smiths, candy makers, you name it
they ALL had a skill they could make money with
ALL OF THEM!


my family were part of a boat dwelling group of "Yvrey Traders", who made several loops within the river network each year
buying at one port and selling at another
this was a family run business and you inherited the boat as well as the business contact network

by the time of the Russian Revolution and the 1919 Pogrom, this culture went extinct
I am a descendent of one of the few who emmigrated to the USA
my father was first generation American of this family tree

I am well aware of my family's background
and why it makes me different from others
no two snowflakes are ever the same n'est pas?

A long time ago, I talked to old people who lived in all the little surrounding villages like Borzna about what happened to the boats?
this 'ole starik told me they were all collected and burned and told me their location
but I didn't have my snorkling gear or other equipment
so I didn't go...

I am the product of the hard path my Ukrainian and English ancestors rode down
and my children are MUCH, MUCH SHARPER than me!!!

I knew backbreeding with slavic genes would work well!!!
we were already inter-mixed for a long time, and is why so many of the Joos in my family were blond

That's an interesting family history Krim, thank you for sharing. I've heard about the Pale, sounded an errie place. Strange that it existed and no longer does. I'm guessing if you get with a Slavic woman out there that can do well enough in harder conditions then it shows she has something. I think there is something about the resourcefulness of Slavic people that is something to be admired.

Blonde hair is unusual for a Jewish background. I have a cousin who married a part Jewish guy, think he was about a quarter Jewish but hair was black, definite Jewish look apart from the nose not so. They had a daughter together and she's pretty attractive looking, in a Natalie Portman kind of way.

Myself I will be doing an Ancestry DNA test today so in a couple of weeks or so I should get a better idea of my heritage. We've traced our family tree back to about the early 1800's on both sides. The Mormon branch was one of the more interesting discoveries and was not known about until we did the research. We aren't directly descended from them they were someone's Sister who married a guy then went out there. Most of our family tree are farm workers or moved to work in the cities. There has been talk on my Father's side of being descended from the Viking's but they're may be nothing to it, may find out soon I guess. Only about 6 percent of British DNA on average contains Viking origin so not all that common. My family surname I've googled and could be of Norman origin (who were also originally Vikings) but is even less common at just 1 percent of British DNA on average. Most DNA tends to be Anglo Saxon, about 36 percent on average and often some Irish DNA. There is a Irish branch on my Father's side that we are partly descended from so it will no doubt show up in the test. On my Mother's side she seems to think there is some Mediterranean blood on her side. Her family tree has not uncovered any so far but she has black hair so it could be likely. When my father was dating her his landlord wondered if she was Jewish as has a bit of a big honk, but nothing in family history so far unless way back, if so the DNA test should show more. Luckily I didn't inherit the big honk as otherwise my chances with women would be even less I think. My nose is still reasonably large but not that large. I think she thinks it might be possibly Italian heritage or something but have found none of that in the family tree so far either.

That's about it so far, will update on all that after I get the test results back.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on September 26, 2023, 11:42:20 AM
A lot of East and Central European Jews are blonde/fair with light eyes.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on September 27, 2023, 03:36:02 AM
Lol, yeah I get your drift Steven. It's a case of going through the whole lot and getting it all lining up. Once my house is done I'm going to sell my old supermini and get my poor man's sports car :D I was looking up last night and insurance costs are a lot more for me around £430 a year. The Mazda MX-5 has fairly cheap spares and running costs, the tyres cost a little bit more think it was about £100-130 each but not too much and probably last a bit longer as a bit bigger tyre.

Biggest issue would be my house, I've tarted up the front a lot, just finishing of the front paving area. Looks very nice compared to what it was when I bought it, bramble & long grass - a mess. I've repainted the bits of edging brick work, the rest a dressed stone facade, old miners terrace/townhouse. Quite quaint looking, I've hung out hanging basket, a few plants to help increase the curb appeal also. Problem is that a fair amount of the other houses look a bit shabby as not done up as well, peeling paint on edging brickwork, etc. Inside my house is starting to look nice and back garden is good now. So being near a decent town centre it could be put across as the high price for living so close to a decent town centre/heritage of it all.

In theory it's probably a good step up from the concrete block of flats most live in out there so a bit more space and more nicer deal. On the other hand though it's no fancy big house, so it relies on the girl being somewhat grounded. That all said it's really more of an investment property for me and not where I would often be based. Yo mama's village house is a lot larger and more impressive, detached backing onto a park and with a nice front and back garden and in a relatively expensive area. Needs a bit more tarting up inside which I am getting around too. Still that all said I see it more as dating to the girl, 'this is the area I live in, my house in the other area is an investment property, I live with my Mother a fair amount to assist her in her old age, I could get nice accommodation locally myself if needs be and will do if needed'. There's that but that would be down the line if I was bringing her over, a pretty chick I would insist on starting the relationship out there (spend some time out there, some time in the UK on 'business'). So I would just tell her about the situation and show her the properties and tell her it's all business geared.

Wherever she lived I should be able to afford a decent property to rent, so keeping up the facade ;D Out in the FSU our money goes a long way and I would be able to afford a better place than most local guys. That would impress the chick immensely and put me in the right light. Most FSW basically don't know about western men all that much, they think if you've got the money to fly out there you're wealthy. If you walk the walk and talk the talk, basically look the part that will fall in with their existing views of western men. If you provide a nice place out there then the girl will be, 'hey this guy definitely IS the bona fide real deal'. It will place you above pretty much all the other local dudes. In addition to looking like your in the wealthy upper echelons of society you come from a good western country and have the passport - another sign of status.

Most women the world over are status hoe's. They crave higher status and a plush comfortable lifestyle. They want the look of you are doing well and well off. That's what I didn't take seriously enough all my life, especially in my younger years. I heard and saw other guys putting on the look and thought their silly as their bank accounts would tell a different story and likely did so. They were probably less wealthy than me but had shelled out all their earning on an expensive brand jacket, clothing, etc. I use to think what a waste but the new that although there was nothing backing it all up the women fall for the facade, the look of it all. A guy could be renting a nice flat shelled out all his money to look the part set against another guy who owns his own small house but doesn't look fancy, guess which guy attracts most girls?

It's silly I know but it's what women go for, their attracted to bling. I see it now, it draws their eye like a girl with her tits hanging out draws the eye of a guy. Most of us don't really care about our look beyond basic presentation but women do. Most don't want to look at guys that lok like the ordinary Joe, that look like an everyday guy who would blend into the background so easily, who might be a cleaner, car park attendant or office clerk. They really want the guy who stands out and looks above the rest. Sure it has to follow through the whole way, no good wearing fancy stuff then jumping into an old beat up super mini, that would kind of ruin it all lol :ROFL:

The importance thing is to work on making it all line up. The  knight in shining armour needs a stallion to mount, he doesn't get on an old donkey ;) Women want to see a light in shining armour on a stallion even if the armour is antique but lovely and the stallion aging but grand. So yeah I agree I can't have the turn to mushy peas lol I will have to put in a good front across the board and look like I have money, that means finding good deals to do it all on, stuff that's not going to sap me economically too much but at the same time look the part and look decent, that's what FSW want to see after all and why many look abroad. They can get the poor busted looking guys at home they don't want a foreign looking version. As FSW often say they don't want a guy who is 'cheap' or 'greedy' so they want a guy who looks like he has a few bob and won't begrudge spending it when needs be.

So nothing has changed as far as TC goes. Still banging the same old drum.
Well, TC, what has changed is that the FSU is not the westerners playground anymore. It’s as expensive as the UK for the basics so get that idea right out of your head that you can live a grand lifestyle and pimp your way into an FSUW.....
On your income, which is worth a lot less now, with inflation eating away, you’re getting a lot less bang.
But keep talking, there isn’t going to be any walking , that’s for sure.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 27, 2023, 09:48:10 AM
So nothing has changed as far as TC goes. Still banging the same old drum.
Well, TC, what has changed is that the FSU is not the westerners playground anymore. It’s as expensive as the UK for the basics so get that idea right out of your head that you can live a grand lifestyle and pimp your way into an FSUW.....
On your income, which is worth a lot less now, with inflation eating away, you’re getting a lot less bang.
But keep talking, there isn’t going to be any walking , that’s for sure.

Even better Gaunty! I will be able to afford the same over there as here, difference is most Ukrainians won't so I will be like a god to them :D

Well I got a pay rise this year so there won't be a lot of difference accounting for inflation in the UK which is on its way down now.

On the Ukrainian women I'm surprised they are banging down my door on Fdate they must be really dirt poor and desperate by now. A nice affluent western man liked me just their answer to all their problems I would have thought. Anyway, looks like it's down to me so I've decided to put in a huge effort plugging away tonight on it all.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 27, 2023, 11:36:03 AM
"keep talking, there isn’t going to be any walking , that’s for sure. "

and lots "of squawking" from a British Budgie
see how he squawks

and see how he runs
like a pig from a nun
see HOW he runs!!!

how can you have dessert, if you haven't finished your porridge?
EH?

a life time of sphincter tightening in the UK
will indeed make you a "tight ass"
WORD!

Scotsman and Oirish will copy ya fer yur hard woik avoiding chill life style next to Mommy

Aye, Trench The Grand Explorer
outta curioity, exactly how "many meters" is it from your front door to hers
how many times per week does she feed ya
and does this have some bearing (free meals) on your choices

in other words, are YOU A SQUIRREL, enticed by a handful of peanuts, into eating at your mama's house
as opposed to goin out and findin some woman do do that fer ya
and you give her something in return...

but that nagging question?
WHAT do you REALLY have to offer compared to what you want in return?
what if there is a big imbalance between the the two
what you want
vrs
what you can obtain

it's much easier to focus on seeing what you can obtain locally or on-line

I still say, that if guys like you don't go and volunteer for a year over there
then you are wasting a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity

you could also easily have a self funding youtube channel
delivering food/medicine under fire to old sick people who are left abandoned in Ukraine


young beautiful, fertile Ukrainian women, will vy with each other to bear your children
or....
nah, just WATCH PORN!!!!
what wuz I thinking???
Do something real....pffftttt
yawn...

big ukrainian cities all still have sizeable populations of Ukrainian professional women, late 20s to late 30s
with absolutely NO Dates and NO sex life
and these women are SUPER HORNEY!!!
WORD!

but Trench, ya gotta "know what the hell you're doin, no fumbling and slobbering"
these are not high school girls, these are ALL SEXUALLY EXPERIENCED WOMEN

ya gotta be smooth
absolutely ZERO facial hair, area around your lips must be mirror smooth
OR...
you will give her a rash on a very tender part of her anatomy
and you don't wanna do that, despite the visual appeal!!
cuz sometimes it dampens their enthusiasm

giving a woman "oral pleasure" is something you know nothing about
and if a foreigner gives a ukrainian woman an orgasm first time he has sex with her
she will iterally FREAK OUT!!!!
cuz Russian sex is "slam, blam, thank you mam"
and fer a lotta Ukrainian women, they will think it's your foreign-ness that made them climax, compared to Russian sex
where they just "go through the motions"

THEN, these women WANT SEX. ALL THE DAMNED TIME!!!
sometimes even twice in one day!!

and if you don't give it to them RIGHT AWAY when they want it
then they start acting really bitchy towards you!!!!!

WTF???  it's always "something" with "these women"
but once you "break them in"
you can also USE their SEXUAL GRATIFICATION
as a way to "make them YOUR sex slave"
by pretending that you are cosplaying what you think her deepest sexual fantasy is

AND:
if you are RIGHT!!
you will hear and see the results!!!
but you haveto get them "phuqued-up first"!!!!
to get them naked on the alpaca blanket in front of the fireplace
for an innocent "massage"

in Costa Rica, a blanco like me can go to the playa with his shorts on/lawn chair/cooler, etc
and accidentally go to the "clothing optional" section
then stop, and check what kinda vibe the place has, and how many women

there should be little groups of 2-3 young women
if they smile at me
I will setup my "spot" above them, where I can EASILY watch them
but they can't watch me!!!
cuz their backs are to me
their long, delicately muscled back and gluts

and THEN I'LL strip down to an indian loin cloth with straps in the middle holding front and back part together
and nothin at all underneath
you can turn sideways, and show "side scrotum"

but it both was and was not completely kosher attire for the playa, but 100% nobody gave a sheet
especially cuz i'm an obvious outsider

soon enuff, I see the girls below increasing their quick little side glances up towards me
and talking to each other
while I conceal my gaze, under down cast aviator glasses, and pretend to "nod off"
while listening to music with my iphone and bluetooth headset

I can feel their curiosity wasn't the only thing rising!!

I felt like a hawk flying above a rabbit's burrow, and spotted their little bunnies, playing unguarded in a nearby field
and had a feeling of anticipation
with these golden brown girls
and their large dark eyes

I kept waiting for them to turn, so I could see their breasts and nipples
and see if they had pubic hair or not
note: pure blooded mayan women in remote regions can be 30 yr old and are as bald as an egg
impossible to tell a 16 yr old from a 26 yr old
you need to take them to an ID carded high-end club
where they are carded

if she gets in on her ID and no bribe
then you are "home free"
and you don't have to count pubes


with the enhanced POLAROID Glass Lenses I wore
I didn't have to squint in the strong sunlight reflecting off the beach, the black sea and even the sky
like those girls did...

when they move, I can see them shifting their leg muscles, and then they look up, to see if I am reacting to their "little show"
I am in a state of "inner zen"
merely an observer to the outside world
and because I give ZERO FEEDBACK
the girls are gonna show me "all their junk" any minute now, to get my attention

now think, what should I DO?
when they do that?






 
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 27, 2023, 02:03:00 PM
Yeah I'm in trouble on Fdate, so far only one or two have looked at my messages I sent them and some just never looked at the messages. None of those I messaged have viewed my profile. A few are still outstanding and it depends when they log in next. All are in/from Ukraine and have logged in within the past 24 hours or so. I messaged eight tonight, and two previously.

All are around 7-8 in looks, i.e above average not quite models but pretty girls and some perhaps verging on them. I guess there are probably a lot of guys on there all going for the pretty girls. My photos are pretty good around 7 or so rated on Photofeeler. Looks like it's a pretty tough scene though. The real killer is that odds are most of those guys that are getting messages back from these girls probably won't go meet then, a real pain in the arse.

Pretty much all in their thirties. Just got a message back from one of them saying she didn't see my messages. Messaged her back asking if she gets a lot of messages, she logged off after a few minutes without replying so guess so :-\

So yeah, trying to ram it through as best as possible on there with further messaging. Looks like I'm going to have to be pretty persistent on the messaging there. Not sure if I can get through as guessing loads of other guys are messaging them like crazy. It may be coming in pretty fast & furious they're end.

So a change of strategy may be needed. Would love to get over there on a more permanent basis as you suggest Krim. Thing is time and income just doesn't allow that at the moment. So will have to do whatever I can from this end until I can get over there on a more permanent basis.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 27, 2023, 03:18:16 PM
Further thoughts is if I can get one of these girls or another hottie on another site to meet in Moldova I will go with that. For Fdate I may well just have to ram through a meet up in Moldova pretty up front in messaging as looks like it's real ferocious on there.

If I can make a go off it with the girl any which way out in Moldova I will otherwise just see if anything else turns up while out there.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 27, 2023, 03:58:22 PM
Ok after a hard start tonight I think I might have one of these hotties up :P Think I might be connecting with her on WhatsApp. She said yeah she is getting a lot of mail though might be as she doesn't go on there often.

My thoughts are the Ukraine war has probably highlighted the country to guts who wouldn't have bothered thinking of it otherwise. Russia is probably a lot less competitive as 'the enemy' and also harder and more expense to get to, and like you say Krim risk of getting on a plane that might fall out the air though guess that is just Aeroflot.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
cuz Russian sex is "slam, blam, thank you mam"
and fer a lotta Ukrainian women, they will think it's your foreign-ness that made them climax, compared to Russian sex
where they just "go through the motions"

Yeah, that kind of explains a lot lol. Kherson girl was just like, very machine like, foreplay was like a foreign concept to her. I did a bit of messing around with her which was great but while I think she enjoyed it, it would take longer for her to relearn I think, and I wasn't with her long enough. I'm not saying I'm any expert, not by a long stretch but it wasn't easy with her sometimes as she lacked idea of sensitivity over operation, operation was how she proceeded and that could be too lacking in emotional connection to turn me on well.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on September 28, 2023, 01:53:46 PM
RE: MX 5.

If one were presenting oneself as a future father of children this isn't what I would call a family car. It indicates someone who is either a carefree boy racer not to be trusted or a 40+ guy going through the advanced stages of a mid life crisis.

As they are £25000 new I would imagine one in your budget would be over ten years old and be a money pit. I would reflect very carefully before proceeding.

In general I would advise thinking a few steps ahead when implying greater wealth than you have unless you are deep down looking for a holiday romance.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 28, 2023, 03:25:00 PM
RE: MX 5.

If one were presenting oneself as a future father of children this isn't what I would call a family car. It indicates someone who is either a carefree boy racer not to be trusted or a 40+ guy going through the advanced stages of a mid life crisis.

As they are £25000 new I would imagine one in your budget would be over ten years old and be a money pit. I would reflect very carefully before proceeding.

In general I would advise thinking a few steps ahead when implying greater wealth than you have unless you are deep down looking for a holiday romance.

It's definitely going to be over ten years old, more like twenty lol. I figure though that at that price as long as it's got a fair bit of MOT on it and doesn't seem too bad condition I'm not committed and can always scrap it if something mega costly comes up. Had a fair amount of old bangers in the past and yeah bad costly stuff can occasionally happen. The rest is mostly regular costs at MOT once a car gets much past 5 or 6 years old much after that it tends to be nearly always something needs doing unless the car hasn't been used much.

Been toying with the idea of having two cars, one car for practicality the convertible to pose around in. I get a discount for two cars. Did a quick compare the market insurance quote the other day, the Mazda convertible comes in at £430 a year cheapest quote fully comp. Combined with my car it would be about £700 or so a year for two.

Food for thought, I'm not sure if I would want the bother of two MOT's a year or if one car would be unused too much. I might be better off getting the convertible and going with that, once the house is done I'll be doing way less milage so it could work out ok.

Thing is the type of girl depends on the type of car, many everyday girl may well prefer a decent family car that makes the guy look stable looking. A girl who's a bit hot though will likely have a vision in her head of a flash looking guy in a sports car/convertible or prestige luxury car at least. She's not going to be impressed with the family car look. If she gets preggers then than becomes more necessary and just a case of plotting a course from there car wise.

At the moment the Fdate thing just seems too bustling with guys. Hot girls go on there and within a day or so can have enough WhatsApp numbers to keep them going for weeks by the looks of things. The girl last night I managed to get out of her that a lot of guys are contacting her and she's only just gone back on there. She asked for my WhatsApp and zi gave it but she didn't look at my message again, today so far she's not been online. Getting the impression I may have been put in reserve >:(

Trying other methods elsewhere at the moment, will update if anything comes to fruition.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on September 28, 2023, 04:01:29 PM
F date is a 2-1 ratio men to women, so there is little incentive for women to be proactive. And that's before you strip away girls living in Africa and the Philippines etc. You are getting all of the hassle of western dating complicated by the desired woman living in a war zone. If you can marry a hot Ukrainian woman off F date with all the statistical improbability you will be the king of FSU dating.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 28, 2023, 04:34:18 PM
If I can make a go off it with the girl any which way out in Moldova I will otherwise just see if anything else turns up while out there.

NOTE for newbies this advice is for you. Trenchcoat never follows advice.
Rumor is that they have girls in Moldova.
 
My advice is to decide if you are going to meet one girl or many.   

If you are going to meet one girl:
Write a zillion girls, exchange emails, narrow the list down based on the exchange
of letters then invite a small number to talk to you on Skype or your messenger
of choice.

Eventually narrow it down to ONE girl and go visit her. If you select this strategy
have a backup plan.

If you want to visit many girls then write one or two letters to a zillion girls from one city 
go to that city, then arrange meetings with many girls. If you don't have mutual chemisty
with a girl, then never meet with her again even if she is the hottest girl you have ever met.
Dump immediately any girl that lies or has character flaws even if she is the hottest girl
you have ever met. 

Once you find a excellent superior quality girl that you have mutual chemistry with you
stop meeting new girls and pursue her exclusively. Lather, rinse and repeat until you
find the future Mrs.____________ (Your name here). Then visit her repeatedly to
do your do diligence, win her heart, marry her and live happily ever after.

Udachi!
Bill
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on September 28, 2023, 05:30:05 PM

ya gotta be smooth
absolutely ZERO facial hair, area around your lips must be mirror smooth
OR...
you will give her a rash on a very tender part of her anatomy
and you don't wanna do that, despite the visual appeal!!
cuz sometimes it dampens their enthusiasm

giving a woman "oral pleasure" is something you know nothing about
and if a foreigner gives a ukrainian woman an orgasm first time he has sex with her
she will iterally FREAK OUT!!!!
cuz Russian sex is "slam, blam, thank you mam"
and fer a lotta Ukrainian women, they will think it's your foreign-ness that made them climax, compared to Russian sex
where they just "go through the motions"

As always . . . there are no absolutes.

But your statements above are a signal to me (and probably some others) that you really haven't had all the sexual encounters that you claim, or you would have encountered a wide spectrum of gals.

To clue you and other unexperienced guys in . . .  some  women DO like the man to have facial hair . . . and they DO like their man to place this facial hair in their most intimate of places . . . and they DO reach orgasm from this facial hair.  The chin beard does the magic in the 69 position.

I have had such specific requests from FSU gals on multiple occasions.

I found from experimenting that the ideal growth is around 4-5 days.
Before that time . . . the bristle may be quite strong.
After that time . . . facial hair starts feeling like scalp hair and hasn't much excitement value.

Yes, I know the slam bang will be coming . . . but I have your number now!!

You are the incel (except for a couple of encounters with your wife) you claim others here are.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 28, 2023, 05:43:39 PM
such COMPLETE and UTTER BS...

"stubble" and not a soft curly beard, is like running sandpaper over her labia, particularly the stubble right around your lips, EVEN THOUGH YOU SHAVED!!!
it makes her labia "visibly" irritated.... (which also can sometimes for some women who have "trouble" to get into it more, but this is S&M kinda stuff, and majority find it irritating)

you WILL receive a vocal complaint if it BOTHERS THEM!!!
but you need to pay attention and read her face
and not just look down there the whole damned time

whatsa matter you never saw a vagina up close before?
and saw a woman orgasm?

at least LOOK DEEPLY into her eyes a "couple of times"
is that too much to ask
and learn to fake a demurely cast down expression

you just gotta LOOK and see, sheet your EYES are right freakin' there, and you didn't SEE IT??? WTF??
unless SHE WAS BLACK!!!!
WAS SHE?
GOOD FOR YOU, IF SHE WAS!!!

but for a white girl, which is what I ASSUMED we were talkin about,
you being from where you are

you will see a quite visible contrast between normal skin tone
and red irritated Labia
before and after
you apply counter-rotation on her "sugar plum"
and do the "dynamo hum"

I don't know about you, but I REALLY NOTICE little details like that
especially when it's just a FEW INCHES AWAY FROM YOUR FREAKIN EYES
and "somehow" you didn't SEE IT, HOW???

maybe you do it in the dark?
or maybe your wife does, so she doesn't have to LOOK AT YA!!!

I mean, they don't call it "red snapper" for nothin

I make no judgements about that!
how could I KNOW about YOUR sex life?
any more than you COULD POSSIBLY know about mine

therefor, your juvenile comment is just a simple ad hominum attack, from a simple country boy, devoid of ANY truth
easily repulsed with a mere flick of the keyboard by me

YOU OTOH, appear to be the one with ZERO familiarity of this REALITY
how is something SO OBVIOUSLY SEEN, so unknown to YOU?
one explanation: because YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT!

so in truth, YOU are projecting your own inadequate experience here

obviously, as a Trump voter, you have NO CLUE about "reality" AT ALL
only your cherished opinions, which I enjoy makin fun of, cuz they're so freakin' dumb and clueless...
hillbilly ignoramous style

just like your latest one...

yawn....

any other major pronouncements ya wanna make?
are the Beatles getting back together?

PS, another bad thing about beards, "things" stick to the hair, comprendez?
think about "what kinda" things that might be, in certain "special circumstances"
is that the kinda look ya wanna go with (EWWWWWWW)?
NOT ME!!

so me thinks you "is projectin "a wee bit" with your only having sex with YOUR wife (sometime 5 yr ago)
and tryin to lay that wreath on MY door
where IT DOES NOT BELONG AT ALL!!

so Postman, "Return To Sender" in Huckabee Arkansas
cuz ML just wrote a "message to himself"

whatever "number" you're clutchin, ain't MINE...
it's just a numeric figment of Trump Land and the white hillbilly ghetto you inhabit...
with all the other "redneck sages and wisemen"
"HANK, it's the GOVERNMENT!!!
in search of Hunter Biden's Notebook PC...

you make me laugh and laugh, LONG TIME SAILOR BOY!!!
now run along now...
(as I unbuckle my jacket, and you see the edge of my holster)

cuz I'm a Texas Joo Boy MFer
ani I ain't killed me ANY rednecks yet today...

a saumari who does "virtual evisceration"
who can disembowel with a single vowel
I now clean my katana and return it to it's sheath...

I walk this empty street
on the boulevard of broken dreams






Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 28, 2023, 09:29:38 PM
F date is a 2-1 ratio men to women, so there is little incentive for women to be proactive. And that's before you strip away girls living in Africa and the Philippines etc. You are getting all of the hassle of western dating complicated by the desired woman living in a war zone. If you can marry a hot Ukrainian woman off F date with all the statistical improbability you will be the king of FSU dating.

Yeah think that's about right, even the 2:1 male/female ratio like you say isn't across the board but skewed with most of those men going for the hot women so probably 10:1 male female ratio or more with them and a lot less for the other girls on there. I think I could pull a mediocre to everyday looking girl off Fdate as most guys pass them over for the hotties.

So the big question? What are the profiles that the hotty girls go for on Fdate. I don't think you often get many of the pretty boys in there, but could be wrong as it's appeal is elsewhere. My thoughts are that some guys may just put up model looking pics of some other guy just to get a pretty girl to message. Other than that guys that look fabulously wealthy beyond wildest dreams in their photos possibly.

My other thoughts is that some girls state something like they want a man with a capital M. I struggle with converting female talk but my guess is possible they want a guy who is obviously very muscular perhaps. Some guys are gym rays or whatever so perhaps they go for that.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 28, 2023, 09:54:21 PM
the one thing you don't wanna do, is the follow "the rest of the herd" syndrome
skip "keyboard dating" and skip the scams as well

ain't no substitute for the "real thing baby"

Trench, after you pay all your expenses outta your meager little salary
you have so little left over, it's hardly worth it...

this is why you ain't sacrificing a lot by being a volunteer
and help the Ukrainians
but "nudge-nudge, wink-wink"
you on the pooty tang express

ALL ABOARD!!! THE POOTY TANG EXPRESS!!

I do think you could start a ukrainian aid organization, recruit members, have fund raising drives, etc and "make contacts"
or better yet, join a local existing organization and start taking on escalating "challenges" and responsibility for the organization

all the time making contacts, making contacts through their contacts
but ya gotta have somethin COMPELLING to offer
and be like a virus that gets spread from one to the next

your loyalty, dedication to detail, hard work, etc
is the ticket, to gain access to this network, and it'll take awhile
and half the people inside are "freakin NUTS!"
after you suss the whole thing out
you open an official charity, that allows people to write off donating their old cars to you
which you then salvage and resell

is like just one of a hundred scams like this you can do...
and you...are...working...for...a...living....

you either work for your money, or your money is gonna work for you, as in real estate
appreciation + rent - zero taxes


and then setup your own self-funding UTube like "Bald and Bankrupt"
call it, "Trench and Wench"

one man's pursuit of LOVE while also delivering medicine to old sick people near the front line of the Ukrainian war
Will he find love in the End?

as he drives by dark, empty shelled cities, reading the tracks in the road, for signs of babooshkas pushing their little two wheel shopping carts
which is now the most common mode of transport in the combat zones
as in you see, half-a-dozen or so, of babooshkie tryin to outwalk each other at any given time
whole convoys of them
out on the ulitsa...
whenever the smell of food, drifts in from somewhere...

(Trench AND his CAT!!! ya gotta gotta have a cat that has grown completely co-dependent on you - you drive and deliver medicine together to the front)
Then ONE SAD DAY, the cat is killed...
and Trench is shown morning for his friend...
hits climb through to the heavens
Trench is makin all kinda of media contacts
and has huge recognition in Ukraine
but one day...
Putin places a price on Trench's head...

Will he find love in the End?
or a bullet?

what kind of story, is this gonna be Trench?
a noble, uplifting story of hope and redemption
or...
a bitter disappointment?

so how far, exactly between yur front door, and yur ma's front door?
and if'n yur REALLY hungry, low long does it take ya to get there?

when was the last time, ya had "welsh Pudding"?
duz she make YOU do the dishes
or are you her "special boy"?

c'mon, don't be shy, awwwww...
you can trust 'ole Unle Krim now....
there's a good fellow...


ladies and germs...

I give you the only known video of Trench!!!!

Dig that CRAZY Whiteboy Rythm!
That boy is "cray-cray"

http://youtu.be/GqVJbbkfqNM







Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on September 29, 2023, 05:39:41 AM
Just as we expected, a long tirade to try to cover up Krimcel's lies about his sexual experiences with women.

His own words about not encountering women who enjoy some beard being rubbed in their private places reveal that he has had very limited experience with probably only 2 or 3 women at most in his entire life.

Sure Krimcel can win the war of words here as he has a very vivid imagination and as a pathalogical liar he has the uncontrollable urge to keep coming up with more and more absurd statements about his never experienced fantasies.

I have given proof positive that Krimcel outrageously lies about his extensive sexual experience with women.

That leads to the conclusion that he lies about most everything he posts here.

The writers strike is now over Krimcel . . . you can continue your postings of imagined experiences with women.

Krimcel giving advice here to those he calls incels . . . pretty brassy.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 29, 2023, 06:01:14 AM
I know Rednecks are DUMB, but ya can't possibly BE THIS DUMB
like failed 3rd grade TWICE, kinda dumb

first, you claim, I only slept with my wife, now, the number has risen to three
based on "what evidence" did you reach this new conclusion, and how much higher will the next one be?

I guess you got this idea watching the FOX Biden "Impeachment"
Just make up something and make it a headline, right?

Where's The BEEF?
OH, there's NO BEEF

you is one dumb cracker
and every SINGLE time ya'll write sheet here
you ALL freakin prove it
LIKE NOW

all of you do

if I gave a rat's ass anymore
I would despair over the amount of ignorance and stupidity there is in this country
especially when I see it manifest itself here
with YOU sir, being a pretty good example to showcase

aren't there goats or sheep that need your attention somewhere?

OK, BIG FAIL...
yours was A good example of how NOT to create a "fake insult"
ya musta hit the nitrogen a little too hard last N2 gas equipment check

just inhale, and count backwards from 10
as we go on a journey through time and space
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on September 29, 2023, 07:29:06 AM
More fantasy from Krimcel the liar.

Everything he posts about his 'supposed' experiences with women and other topics are lies.

But he does have a vivid imagination which by far surpasses mine, so I won't bother competing with him
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 29, 2023, 09:35:33 AM
do you see how brain-dead stoopid your comments are?
they have no relevance to my life

it came outta your mind
so this dark thought is lurking down there in your diseased brain
maybe YOU are the liar holmes, and you're projecting onto somebody else

you flung dung, but unfortunately for your dumb ass, instead of it splattering on your victim, it all stuck to your hand
and you now have a palm full of squishy brown, smelly dung

smart move playah...
yeah...real smart...

rarely have I seen such a failed attempt to create a fake strawman, like the silly amateurish one you presented here
where the strawman turns 'round and viciously kicks your ass so damned hard, it starts wearing a hat

thank you for providing this example to our fellow readers of RWD

only a retard
gets hoisted
by his own petard

you're definitely "special" ML as in "olympics" special



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 29, 2023, 09:57:07 AM
Nothing like US politics to mentally stimulate elderly US guys out of their coma's ;D Should be used as medical treatment in hospitals is so successful.

I can't quite help but think though Krim, how do you reconcile being anti-Trump with needing Trump to be elected to avoid Ukraine being Neutron bombed?

If Biden gets re-elected we can only hope that some alternative comes about to avoid neutron bomb. However, with Russia only having so long till they run out of Armaments that still looks like the most plausible scenario, that they will be neutron bombed. Unless if Biden readers off in armaments to Ukraine in the future but doesn't cut them off completely to match Russia's Armaments decline.

I personally think that it may have been decided at top level, NATO, US, UK, EU, etc to help out Ukraine and but not overdo it, to create a situation if stalemate. Then just wait it out for Russia's top brass to eventually get fed up of Putler and put in a replacement, someone without a vested interest in the war who will be happy to end it.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 29, 2023, 10:36:09 AM
NOTE for newbies this advice is for you. Trenchcoat never follows advice.
Rumor is that they have girls in Moldova.
 
My advice is to decide if you are going to meet one girl or many.   

If you are going to meet one girl:
Write a zillion girls, exchange emails, narrow the list down based on the exchange
of letters then invite a small number to talk to you on Skype or your messenger
of choice.

Eventually narrow it down to ONE girl and go visit her. If you select this strategy
have a backup plan.

If you want to visit many girls then write one or two letters to a zillion girls from one city 
go to that city, then arrange meetings with many girls. If you don't have mutual chemisty
with a girl, then never meet with her again even if she is the hottest girl you have ever met.
Dump immediately any girl that lies or has character flaws even if she is the hottest girl
you have ever met. 

Once you find a excellent superior quality girl that you have mutual chemistry with you
stop meeting new girls and pursue her exclusively. Lather, rinse and repeat until you
find the future Mrs.____________ (Your name here). Then visit her repeatedly to
do your do diligence, win her heart, marry her and live happily ever after.

Udachi!
Bill

They have girls in Moldova just not as many. It's always a case of how many girls you can get up on the dating websites, how many you want to put in for, and how many will respond.

Moldova is the easiest former Soviet republic to fly to at the moment outside the EU. So it's a good staging post as it tends to be the nearest to most places in Ukraine. Next tends to be Poland but that is further across, handy for the Lviv area and possible existing refugees but that's about it.

Moldova will have refugees but depends how many are up for dating, on what dating sites, if you want them, etc.

Only a relatively small amount of Moldovan girls seem to have caught onto international dating, my guess is less percentage wise than Ukraine. It's possible if course but not necessarily a big pool to fish from.

Russia I think is likely the big one where an easy in (in theory) for dating may be likely. All the sanctions, extra costs, flight time, risk of visiting, plane concerns, etc and enemy nation status puts a lot of guys off, possibly even keyboard romeos. Many, many, more girls there and from a huge land mass, but like I say great difficulty with visits, although that said in some ways not like trying to enter into a war zone country and explaining why. My guess is Turkish Air if they still fly to Russia would likely be better plane safety than Russia. Even then though issues about getting money out etc, - you're likely more up on that one than me Beel.

So Ukraine has difficulties but I kind of like the idea of getting with a Ukrainian woman. For me odds are best idea is to arrange a visit meet up in Moldova and go from there. Not perfect but a goer.

Krim's ideas have merit, it's a climb,  possible though and I think could potentially pay off big time. I just can't do much at the moment till the house is done.

In many ways I prefer the advice Krim gives and tend to follow that where I can. Different people want different things so it will depend what the person wants. I find though Krim has a good in depth understanding of how things work out there and how to go about them. That's different from just calling up girls of dating websites and hoping all will work out at some point.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 29, 2023, 04:46:55 PM
They have girls in Moldova just not as many. It's always a case of how many girls you can get up on the dating websites, how many you want to put in for, and how many will respond.

Have you tried VKontakte? It's the largest social media site in Moldova.
http://vk.com/?lang=en



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on September 29, 2023, 05:48:24 PM
Have you tried VKontakte? It's the largest social media site in Moldova.
http://vk.com/?lang=en

It's not a bad suggestion. VK can be a bit of an awkward one since it is social media rather than dating . That brings the plus of potentially genuine women but the minus of having to do more digging around. I've got a social media account with VK and have developed it a little over the years. Sometimes it can be difficult to get conversation going over social media groups on there and some women aren't prepared to connect with a stranger or find it odd.

So stuff can happen there for sure but it takes a lot more time & effort investment. So less straight forward, meeting girls out there and adding them even if no joy may help as I recall you ended up having success that way. Other methods can likely do it also but probably will take more input.

I should really put more time into my VK account. I've added a bit of stuff earlier this year, some pictures but more is needed. I think if a girl can see how you live more and get a good impression of your lifestyle and where you live that can help a fair bit. Otherwise it's not very reassuring when she doesn't really know a lot about the guy and I think social media can help on that one.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 30, 2023, 08:03:59 AM
It's not a bad suggestion. VK can be a bit of an awkward one since it is social media rather than dating . That brings the plus of potentially genuine women but the minus of having to do more digging around. I've got a social media account with VK and have developed it a little over the years. Sometimes it can be difficult to get conversation going over social media groups on there and some women aren't prepared to connect with a stranger or find it odd.

Advice for newbies because Trenchcoat is incapable of accepting advice or learning from
the wisdom of others, this is for you not him. He will ignore the good stuff, then twist it
around in his head for it to mean doing the exact same stupid thing he was already doing.

Trench needs to stop f#cking the dog with the intent of selling the pups. Update your
VK page then leave the poor girls alone. Stop writing girls on other sites as well. Right
now you are a keyboard Romeo. Do not write a single girl if you haven't purchased airline
tickets.

I will say it again, LEAVE THE GIRLS ALONE!!! If you want to make a list of them to write
to once you have tickets, do it. If you want to practice writing a cool, witty, pithy into letter,
asking her to meet you, do it but don't send it to anyone before purchasing the tickets.

Stop making plans for after you finish your novel. You are wasting your life doing so. Buy
tickets you jack@ss. Then one week before flying write letters to ONLY girls in Moldova
at VK to single girls (yes you can sort them by age and marital status).

Side note begins
[This is a numbers game so stop worrying about awkward. You are a socially inept and you
can't hide it by wearing knock-off bling. Buying the flea market stuff will make you look
more klutzy not less.]
Side note over

This is a numbers game send your refined practice letter out to 100 single women no more
than 5 days before you get on a plane.

Do not look at a single response before arriving in Chisinau. Go to your apartment (not a hostel,
not a hotel, not a park bench). Go to the internet and start sorting through the girls who responded.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 30, 2023, 08:17:31 AM
So stuff can happen there for sure but it takes a lot more time & effort investment.

How would you know? I did this exact thing, on the fly, boots on the ground, with the clock
ticking for my flight home and got many dates including one with my now wife Angel Eyes.
Stop anal-izing (yes I meant Anal) things you've never tried and have zero experience doing.
This is how you twist things around in your head with your faux knowledge and lack of real
life experience pursuing women. 

I don't enjoy cyber-beating you up. I really, really don't like it. Go through all my posts. I don't
beat up anyone else. So stop doing what you are doing which is speaking as if you knew what
you are talking about, to somebody who knows what he is talking about.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on September 30, 2023, 08:56:30 AM
They have girls in Moldova just not as many.

532,513 population in Chisinau, 736,100 in the entire metropolitan area is not large enough
for you to find one girl? Ask yourself, what is the percentage of good girls will travel out of
their country to meet with a foreign man. A good girl? The answer is zero. You want to
meet more than one? The answer is below zero.

Too many bad things have happened to too many Ukrainian girls. Too many had their
passports stolen and were locked in a bordello or something else horrifying. The girls
who will go on a vacation with a foreign man they don't know are not good girls.
Finding a good girl is crucial. It's vitally important.

If you want to meet a Ukrainian girl, fly into Poland, cross the border and find yourself a
good girl. If you go to Moldova find a good girl from Chisinau. Avoid any girl claiming to be
in Tiraspol. 

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on September 30, 2023, 10:17:14 AM
I, OTOH, enjoy kickin me some Redneck Ass
always have...

ML, was right about ONLY ONE THING
I DO have more imagination than him
because imagination is a component of intelligence

if ML had a functioning frontal-cortex
he'd realize it would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to ever have his "supposed" experience with facial hair and sex
because i've never, ever had sex while "sporting" a beard....
and not his "logicum absurdum" failed strawman attack
I am willing to accept your appollogy, over a misunderstanding
and not inflict further counter-flung-dung English Mat
but until then, I decalre "OMERTO"


and this is OBVIOUSLY, EXACTLY the same kinda stupidity that leads rednecks to vote for Trump...
and Trump obviously cares VERY deeply about poor rednecks and their petty concerns about "whiteness" and whatever Jesus said, and GUNS!!!

didja send Trump money yet ML, c'mon now.... $5 $10....is all he's askin for...

No Trench, I ain't a Trump supporter
Ukraine and Russia are JUST phuqued, no matter what future events unfold on the battlefield...
it's THE SLAVE KULTURA
that creates the despots
when one tyrant or oligarch has a stroke and dies, another will simply take his place
Ukraine and Russia are Cain and Abel, they both either live in peace together or die together in war
this choice has ALREADY been made
Ukraine is not dead yet, but two yr from now, it's gonna be pretty damned close...

Trump will try and bring that FAIL to the USA a third time
but EVEN WITH Putin's help
HE will be the FAIL
in the final bonfire of his vanity

Trench
to gain all, you must risk all
you risk nothing?
then what do ya think you'll gain from it?

you can't keep one foot in yo mama's village
and another tip-toeing briefly somewhere else
and EXPECT SUCCESS!!

that's just a DAY DREAM Trench
to help you AVOID REALITY

you must make a committment to your future
by burning the bridge to your past

otherwise your story ends there...

make a choice, comfort in yo mama's village, while daydreaming
or the uncertainty of living in a "better" place
move, get a batter job, have a social life, climb outta the rut you're in
to improve your life
why are you resting and day dreaming Trench?
you should at least think about it
Do a job search in better places, and freakin move

go have a pint on Friday Night
play darts
i'm pretty good at it!!



however, this takes ACTION and EFFORT
and you are a "slacker" by nature
who LOVES daydreamin, cuz that's how you mentally survive in the dull village life
you've been doing that your whole damned life...

and it's NOT a substitute for the "real thing"
man up and do "the hard things" and stop bein a nebbish

or not...
your choice....

I recommend "doing the hard difficult things"
accomplishing them gives you IMMENSE satisfaction
but you're still stuck clutchhing your security blanket of a comfortable, familiar life

when I was 3 yr old, my father, BURNED my security blanket in the fireplace, and made me watch
it's the MOMENT I became a man
it took me years...
but I phuqued him over in the end, and now I have ALL his freakin money and property

so you may infer the following
if ya'll EVER stoopid enuff to take a shot at me
my advice is NOT miss completely
cuz, for sure, sooner or later, I'll hold your head unterwater til the bubbles all stop....

comprendez vous?




Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: rwd123 on September 30, 2023, 08:41:02 PM
"Krimcel", LOL.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: rwd123 on September 30, 2023, 08:47:45 PM
 I don't know why people bother posting advice in this thread. Tt's about as intelligent as talking to a bot. ChatGPT has more hope than Trenchcoat.

It's also silly taking advice from guys who married 20+ years ago. In dating years it's the equivalent of pre-industrial revolution. It's a totally different world now - culturally, politically, economically and militarily. But I guess this forum is practically dead if you don't entertain Trench's spergy commentary.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: ML on September 30, 2023, 09:02:17 PM
if ML had a functioning frontal-cortex
he'd realize it would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to ever have his "supposed" experience with facial hair and sex
because i've never, ever had sex while "sporting" a beard....
and not his "logicum absurdum" failed strawman attack

I am willing to accept your appollogy, over a misunderstanding
and not inflict further counter-flung-dung English Mat
but until then, I decalre "OMERTO"

so you may infer the following
if ya'll EVER stoopid enuff to take a shot at me
my advice is NOT miss completely
cuz, for sure, sooner or later, I'll hold your head unterwater til the bubbles all stop....

comprendez vous?

It seems Krimcel the liar is now suffering dementia also.

As longtimers  here know, I don't engage in back and forths.

But Krimcels words are just too funny (and pathetic) to pass up.

He boasts of his high IQ but here, when he is in a hole, . . . he just keeps digging . . . and actually provides more words that gives support to my contention that he has little sexual experience.

Items:

1) He argues he never was involved in wiskering a gal's tender parts because he never had sex with a beard.
a) This merely supports my contention that he has very little sexual experience because the gal can request that he grow a little bristle and put it to use.   Doesn't have to be a full beard.  I estimate about 30% of the gals I have been with like such.  So after Krimcel hits around the 10 gal mark he should have encountered at least one such gal.  That he didn't, tells a lot about his number of conquests.

Like many others here, I rolled my eyes when he  told of sitting in the parks with drawing gear, that he soon got some gals up to his pad and who quickly dropped their panties. 
But I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  Now it is evident that the rolling eyes were right all along.

b) Imagine the humor here also.  Early in the morning a gal suggests to Krimcel a little action.  His response is . . . wait, I have to go shave first !!!!  Belly laughs called for.

Remember his earlier words:  "ya gotta be smooth  absolutely ZERO facial hair, area around your lips must be mirror smooth"   « Reply #383 on: September 27, 2023, 01:36:03 PM »

c) Imagine Krimcel as part of a debate team.  His team members have to keep reminding him . . .  quit giving arguments that support our opponent's contentions.

2.
a) His use of 'omerto.'  Omerto is a wine made from tomatoes.  Presumably he meant 'omerta' when he seemed to indicate he would practice silence.  Super sharp mind at work here.

b) His use of 'comprendez vous.'   Presumably he meant 'comprenez' in French or 'comprende' in Spanish.  Pretty awkward for a high IQ guy.

3. His threat of violence.  When a person realizes he has no further valid words to offer . . .  he then turns to a threat of violence.

4.  Imagination yes.  He writes pure fantasies here.  Maybe Krimcel wrote some of those pure fantasy stories that used to appear in Playboy,  Penthouse, et al.

5.  We  have your number Krimcel. 
Total BS you write here concering all your supposed experience with women, money, military knowledge, etc.

6.  Now I'll practice omerta; and I might try some omerto also.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on September 30, 2023, 09:20:20 PM
It's also silly taking advice from guys who married 20+ years ago. In dating years it's the equivalent of pre-industrial revolution. It's a totally different world now - culturally, politically, economically and militarily. But I guess this forum is practically dead if you don't entertain Trench's spergy commentary.

Methods of meeting change.  Of course the war has an effect on finding a mate in Ukraine.  That's not a bad thing, as the sex tourists (cough cough) have disappeared. However, overall, in terms of what to do after meeting, things don't change much.  The basics of good relationships have stayed the same over centuries.

Once a beard is beyond a week's or so growth, it's soft, not stubbly.  The better half had a beard once - very long and full.  I was away for 4 months, and he didn't shave.  It was really soft, not stubbly at all.  He has a handsome face, so I asked him to shave.  One of my sons has a beard, and it's soft as well.  He just hates shaving.

krimister is married, so I doubt he's an incel.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 01, 2023, 04:34:06 AM
LOL, you guys are just too damned funny!!!!
"why the world CAN'T BE ROUND, CUZ we'd all fall off the edge, kinda funny"

you got ML meandering about facial stubble and oral sex - as if he ACTUALLY KNEW some details of the subject,
when clearly he DOES NOT KNOW A PHUQUING THING ABOUT IT, as though he NEVER encountered it!

instead, coming up with more and more ridiculous comments in a vain attempt to actually fabricate some meaningless charge against ME (who is but a poor innocent lamb),
like the misuse of spelling as part of artistic license, "cuz" heck why knot?. 
EXACTLY the way republicans like Trump do with Biden's "impeachment"

it's called gaslighting
and it's pretty STOOPID, but entertaining, so do GO ON and entertain us

and then there's RWD123, a CLUELESS SINGLE GUY, telling married guys they're wrong about everything that they've ALREADY accomplished and that he himself has actually FAILED at
they could make a hellova movie together
called "Dumb and Dumberer"

is that it?
that's all ya got?
where's the beef?
ya ain't GOT NO BEEF!!!

I'm a virgin and a civilian now AM I...
what next? will I be gay? christian? someone who hasn't lived over there?
all these different MEs, which is the real one?

y'know, I may be a bit predjudiced in that regard
but I strongly believe, I AM the authentic me
and not the BS you're spewing here
it makes YOU LOOK really, really dumb
because YOU are so transparent in your efforts

my description of you is revealed as the truth by YOUR own actions
whcih was my plan, all along
as native americans know, white men are EASY to ambush
you just set a trap and provoke them, and lead them right into the trap
and then you take their scalps

so you white men keep diggin
i got me a REAL sharp blade
and yur scrotom will make me a nice little coin purse
your tiny, delicate little white scrotum with gray hairs
I can keep a couple of bucks of quarters in there for the coke machine

I'm sure I'll put it to better use, than ya'll ever did

so let's rock...

ok, ya'll wanna fight?
well...
I'm your huckleberry...

but you're gonna have to show me somethin better than what ya have shown me so far...
calling it "inadequate" would be generous...

arguing about stubble and oral sex, is the height of absurdity...
when one party doing the arguing has no experience of EVER encountering it
and somehow tries to turn THIS OBVIOUS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE into a "counter-attack" by "making sheet up"
too LAME TO FLAME!!!

those who think the present is discontinuous from the past, are FOOLS
the weather may change from day to day, week to week
but the pattern of the seasons is ETERNAL

our reality is based on a multi-dimensional balance of forces
that seeks an equilibrium....
the forces are constantly in motion and changing
what's important
is how we respond
outputs are more important than inputs


Trench, if you had some relative with shop space
3 words
Antique Furniture Refinishing (and buying/selling/appraising)

Geezers have daughters/grand-daughters who are poor lonely isolated souls
you can deliver some joy to them

all roads will eventually lead to rome
but you must start walkin in that general direction to actually get there someday
doin nothin but stayin home and daydreamin is a dead end, doncha GET THAT
TO BE IS TO DO!!
so DO!!!

the world is your oyster trench, but ya gotta pry that shell open
opportunity is hidden ALL AROUND YOU!!!!!
but you are blind to all that lies beneath the surface
because you look inward and not outward

PS
I remember as a kid, going to eat lunch with a friend in an arabic restraunt
and saw this old dewd with a big gray beard "chugging" some kinda vegetable soup
leaving long yellow stains down both sides of his moustache

this is what you bearded guys are gonna look like when you're "workin down town"
why doncha get this
I wonder.... hmmmmm.... what COULD it be?????

could it be, cuz you country boys
ain't NEVER been downtown
OMG!!! THAT'S IT!!!!

HaHa

the bitter irony of this entire exchange
is on you poor ignorant country boyz
and how easy it is for me to "bitch slap" the hell outta you BITCHES!

now your ass cheeks are as red as your neck and your MAGA hat!
ya want s'more?







Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on October 01, 2023, 04:46:30 PM
Can we put this to bed (no pun intended) already?

It's very subjective, krim.

From women (see - answers all over the place) -

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/a19924215/facial-hair-and-oral-sex/ (http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/a19924215/facial-hair-and-oral-sex/)


http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/610tv8/do_women_prefer_clean_shaven_stubble_or_beards_on/?rdt=55623 (http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/610tv8/do_women_prefer_clean_shaven_stubble_or_beards_on/?rdt=55623)

http://sexuality.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-relationships/do-girls-like-stubble-or-clean-shaven-guy-for-oral-sex-q1168332 (http://sexuality.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-relationships/do-girls-like-stubble-or-clean-shaven-guy-for-oral-sex-q1168332)
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 01, 2023, 05:11:16 PM
sure...
EXACTLY....

beard and stubble are two different things, stubble, especially with a lot of friction is quite irritating
a FACT ML has yet to acknowledge

that's why it was a very poorly chosen subject for a personal attack....
but at least I don't have to keep baiting ML any more about him voting for Trump
cuz he already walked into the ambush

meanwhile, Ukraine currently has NO FUNDING from the USA
during the 45 day budget extension....

Trump Republicans are already rejoicing
it's their first victory for Putin

I can already see the Trump/Putin strategy
which will be to introduce as much chaos into the "election" as possible
to hide what they're REALLY doin

after the election, russians start lighting fires in the USA
their network in the USA is getting massive with lots of "GRU juniors" hidden in amongst the draft dodgers
showin up everywhere in the USA now

in the future, something big will be going down IN THE USA with Russians...
the east coast group were disrupted with big FBI bust
west coast group reorganized after Russian SF embassy shut down

the mid west has been laid back, with little attention paid to it







Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on October 02, 2023, 02:11:01 PM
Read all the responses.  Plenty of women enjoy the feeling of stubble, too.


I like kissing my husband when he has stubble, which is usually, as his whiskers grow quickly (less now that he's old).


FTR, I don't think ML is a redneck.


There's currently over $6 billion available to Ukraine, and who knows what deals Biden has made behind the scenes. 
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 02, 2023, 05:29:36 PM
we ain't talkin 'bout a "sweet gentle kiss"
no m'am we ain't

we're talkin tiny, little spear points, penetrating sensitive skin with a lot of friction and pressure,
for A COUPLE OF MINUTES  leading to skin abrasion
and this occurs, EVEN IF YOU SHAVED!!!!
you might as well run sandpaper over her "lady parts" the result would be exactly the SAME!

This is called TRUTH, attack it if ya wanna

maybe in sasqwatch land up north where you live that might fly
but California is where I honed "my woman pleasin skillz"
NO FREAKIN WAY would it be OK there, even this small transgression

women there DEMAND cunnilingus perfection
and you either "give it to them"or YOU ARE KICKED TO THE DOOR IMMEDIATELY and "ghosted"
and gawd help ya, if you have female friends in common who'll share the intimate details of your "failure"
California was brutal sexually for me...

ML, not a redneck?
hell he ain't!

ML admitted he voted for Trump out of sympathy towards his stand on white supremacy
Trump the businessman whose ONLY real business is FRAUD!!!! LOL!!!!
yes, I'm sure Trump and ML have many political and business interests in common..um-hm

and somehow ML, a Trump Voter of all people, thinks he KNOWS when someone is fibbing...

Say WHAT?
A Trump Voter who KNOWS when someone is fibbing?
if that is not an oxymoron, I don't know what would be!
since every word out of Trump's mouth is a lie

so no, I don't believe this SUBJECT is subjective AT ALL
Trump voters gonna hate "libruls" like me
not for our views on cunnilingus
but because we know redneck reactionaries are complete and TOTAL IDIOTS
and they prove it, every time they write or speak


and I'm quite happy to announce
that they're free to TRY to take me on ANYTIME

but forgive me, I am in the first draft of my "Victory March"
"Triumph of Das Krimster Uber RedNecks"
matching syllables to notes is tiring...


is the govenor of the state where ML lives a redneck?
take a look at the picture, and you be the judge

oh noooooo....
there's no rednecks in Arkansas....

LOL!!!!!!

IMHO, Sara Huckabee hates drag queens for a VERY obvious reason
that this picture illustrates
Drag Queens have MUCH better wardrobes and sense of style

all you rednecks wanna scare away brown people at the border?
put photos of Sarah Huckabee on the wall
and when they see that
more than half will immediately turn around





Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on October 02, 2023, 06:35:30 PM
Read the links. Plenty of women like stubble. A few didn’t.

ML isn’t in Alabama. He is somewhere in the East, for all we know, in a Democrat run state.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 02, 2023, 06:46:40 PM
oh, I'm SORRY, someone wrote an OPINION PIECE ABOUT IT?
a breezy "sex in the city" one, I bet
and that's your "proof"

wow...

I rely on a higher source, than a breezy article somone posted on the web
it's called "common sense"
ya'll should check it out

ML said he lives in Arkansas
unlike him, I assume what he wrote is true

look who the people elected as gov'ner in Arkansas
it's kinda hard to get somebody more hillbilly redneck christian nationalist than the Huckabees
who sell religious coloring books for adults
America is griftopia for the tax free religion business
they're all grifters and their 'marks'

why is humanity so freakin stoopid?
cuz, the two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity
the Hindenburg was the ultimate culmination of mixing Hydrogen and stupidity
sooner or later the gasbags are all gonna burn
"oh the humanity"
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on October 02, 2023, 08:27:39 PM
Nope. It was other forums. It comes up quite often on Reddit.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 03, 2023, 06:42:49 AM
Yes! I am a cunning linguist, Rus and Redneck buster and that's the TRUTH, PFFFFFFFFTTT...

oh you've presented a peer reviewed scientific study, eh?
hmmm....

sorry, but I don't "roll with the herd" on Reddit
as I have said repeatedly
my knowledge is based
on what I have directly seen a FEW INCHES AWAY FROM MY EYES (kinda HARD to miss) and the complaints it caused and COMMON SENSE
then, I took steps to lick the problem, by making the area around my lips as smooth as a polished mirror
afterwards, no complaints, none, not even from California wimmin
hell, I should thank them
cuz this was the shortcut for getting wimmin in Ukraine

any more questions? Yes, YOU in the back...
what color socks am I wearing?
BLACK as my unrepentant soul...
and even the devil better watch his ass 'round me...

ain't cha ya'll done with this YET?
can I go back to what I wuz doin previously'? nothin harmful, I assure you
Geeez, you're all SO danged SLOW....
sigh...

please AI god, hurry the hell up....
time is runnin out
and the human messiah is runnin a little late, ok, he's not coming at all, is he?
for when the walls of babylon come tumblin down
he'll be a "no-show" as ALWAYS
maybe one day ya'll will figure out that myths ain't actually real
and ya'll gotta deal with your problems, yourselves
instead of using telepathic communication with your invisible sky daddy friend

ML has only his redneck assumptions, and no proof, and no logical thinking
once I heard the complaint, I immediately solved the stubble problem
so his "30%" comparison, is just plain DUMB, as is his ENTIRE argument
as EXPECTED

ML is totally free to believe what he wants
Trump is a great president. I'm an incel, the world is flat, whatever....
I don't give a flyin phuque what "facts" fools believe or don't believe
it's a waste of my time and yours as well



Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on October 03, 2023, 08:31:57 AM
I don't know why people bother posting advice in this thread. Tt's about as intelligent as talking to a bot. ChatGPT has more hope than Trenchcoat.

Currently there are 61 people reading this thread. At least 60 of which are not Trenchcoat.
I write for them. Trench is here as an example for my line "there are a hundred ways to
be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up." He will always take the advice, twist it
and f#ck it up.

For the other 60 people who read this thread only the total idiots won't learn something.

It's also silly taking advice from guys who married 20+ years ago. In dating years it's the equivalent of pre-industrial revolution. It's a totally different world now - culturally, politically, economically and militarily. But I guess this forum is practically dead if you don't entertain Trench's spergy commentary.

I married 9 years ago and the quickest thing to change is the connection method. From the
olden days of Sears catalogs, newspaper ads in Russian cities, snail mail, email, ABC website
to Elena's Hopefull's to social media sites to whatever it is that I don't know about.

However, the boy meets girl/analog part has not changed since we stopped kidnapping
them from the neighboring tribe or traded them for cattle. Once women had the power
to enter our lives of their own accord very little has changed. Once I found Angel Eyes, 
the stuff from that minute forward is 100% as relevant today as it was in all those years
ago.

The things to look for in a woman are just as pertinent now as it was then. Go to bars
to find bar flies, character is more important than anything else. There have always
been gold diggers, If you don't have mutual chemisty do not spend one additional
minute with her and move on. Tell me, has any of that has changed? 

How about "this is a numbers game" do you disagree? If you meet enough girls however
you do it and thow out all the bad girls and incompatible girls eventually you can find a
good girl. Do you disagree?

I think 100% of people can agree that I know more about finding and pursuing women than
Trench does.

I agree that giving advice is useless for him.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 03, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
EVERYTHING is a numbers game, literally EVERYTHING...

Even the dumbest married guy (not Beel) knows more about finding and pursuing women than the smartest single guy does

underneath the superficial changes on the surface, NOTHING's changed underneath, and nature is what dictates that nothing will fundamentally change

don't look to single idiots who say they know the truth, cuz they DON'T KNOW, and THAT's WHY they're single (RWD123)

Trench is a dilettante...
who only makes a superficial effort at this, and this is why HE FAILS...
he doesn't make a sincere effort at succeeding
because to do so, would take him WAY outside his comfort zone

when Englishmen were emmigrating on masse all over the world to better themselves
traveling on wooden ships across mighty occeans
Trench's ancestors kept working in the dark satanic mill in the midlands
and they're STILL there
cuz they didn't want to lose the world they knew, for one they didn't

what other outcome could there be, for people who choose this path?
fortune ALWAYS favors the bold...
and not those who stay home and daydream all the time






Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Boethius on October 03, 2023, 11:54:31 AM
oh you've presented a peer reviewed scientific study, eh?
hmmm....

sorry, but I don't "roll with the herd" on Reddit
as I have said repeatedly
my knowledge is based
on what I have directly seen a FEW INCHES AWAY FROM MY EYES (kinda HARD to miss) and the complaints it caused


Yet women who state otherwise should be discarded, because you, as an all knowing seer, know inherently what every. woman. in. the. world. enjoys.


Ok.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 03, 2023, 12:21:15 PM
YES!!! EXACTLY!!!
now you got it!!!
all-seeing seer, wearing a Sears seer's suit

i'm not disregarding women's opinions
i'm just disregarding "stuff you read on the internet" about women's opinions
vrs empirical evidence from your own eyes and ears and WHAT WOMEN TELL YOU THEMSELVES
what some millenial wrote on Reddit, ain't the gospel, it's just a click-bait topic
that isn't a SOURCE for anything other than entertainment
but if you wanna turn it into the New Testament, go right ahead

which of these two do you trust the most
what you read on the internet in reddit on some millenial's click-bait article, or your own judgement and experience
your decision is probably the same as mine
OK. horrosho?

so bottom line, I never had sex wearing a full beard, and would have no idea about the pluses and minuses of that, except for the hygiene aspect, which makes it unappealing to me

after I received stubble complaints
I had laser hair removal there, combined with a special waxing cream to get rid of it
and never, ever had any further complaints or issues with stubble anymore, ever!

those who disagree with what i've presented here
obviously do NOT perform cunnilingus CORRECTLY
because the deep suction and lip rotation will leave a "red burn" on sensitive ennervated tissue, IF YOU HAVE STUBBLE
and is QUITE VISIBLE!!!

you don't freakin lick it like a lollypop for cryin out loud!!!
WTF?

how can ya'll be SO DANGED CLUELESS?



Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: John Gaunt on October 03, 2023, 01:26:10 PM

Yet women who state otherwise should be discarded, because you, as an all knowing seer, know inherently what every. woman. in. the. world. enjoys.

Ok.
There’s a lot of hot air blowing about.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 03, 2023, 03:07:04 PM
when there is nothing of substance on RWD
then nothing IS the substance on RWD


Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Bee Farmer on October 03, 2023, 07:59:52 PM
How about "this is a numbers game" do you disagree? If you meet enough girls however
you do it and thow out all the bad girls and incompatible girls eventually you can find a
good girl. Do you disagree?

I'll disagree.  It is not a numbers game for a man to decide who to make a commitment to.

Some men are looking for one woman to spend their life with.  Divorce is not an option. 

The man chooses the lady, and then makes a commitment.  Yes, the man has to choose wisely, but having made a commitment, he finds a way to make the relationship work.

Playing the numbers game is for guys who are never 100% willing to make a commitment.  If you believe divorce is an option if things turn sour on down the road, then you were never fully committed.  A guy who is fully committed will spend the rest of his life trying to find a way to make things work.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 04, 2023, 06:28:51 AM
again, more brain dead views that illustrate you have:
NO CLUE
NO GIRL FRIEND (EVER!)
NO FUTURE
NO IDEA WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

go back to reading Huckabee's "Dating Guide For Christian Teens"
or...
Grow Up first
before you post your ridiculous "The World According To Bee Farmer" manifest of mediocrity







Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 04, 2023, 12:41:51 PM
I'll disagree.  It is not a numbers game for a man to decide who to make a commitment to.

Some men are looking for one woman to spend their life with.  Divorce is not an option. 

The man chooses the lady, and then makes a commitment.  Yes, the man has to choose wisely, but having made a commitment, he finds a way to make the relationship work.

Playing the numbers game is for guys who are never 100% willing to make a commitment.  If you believe divorce is an option if things turn sour on down the road, then you were never fully committed.  A guy who is fully committed will spend the rest of his life trying to find a way to make things work.

I think Bill means you make a commitment once you've found one that suits you, and you suit her. Until then it's a sifting and sorting exercise. You have to look at many girls profiles and choose which ones to write to. Out of them you have to determine which ones are interested in you, do they write short one liners despite you putting in a bit of writing, do they reply often, do you like what you see in messaging, etc. Then video chat, do they come across well, is communication difficult because they don't know much English and don't seem to care about communication. Do they seem to be someone you would like to go visit and meet in person.

I know Bill has explained his FSU dating method on here frequently. It's primarily a VO (visit one) method. You do the above to get down to one girl you want to meet. You go meet that girl, upon meeting if she turns out not to be the one, no chemistry etc, then you ditch her and move on (so VO morphing into VM - visit many) and call up any girl that seems you may like out there through online dating sites, vk, etc.

Bill I believe states that once you have found the one girl you want, you stop, you don't waste effort on chasing further women, you concentrate solely on that one girl.

So it's not about being a player or playing the field. It's about finding a woman right enough for you, not a perfect woman or near perfect just a woman that is right for you. It's about getting down to a woman you want to be fully committed too and hopefully vice versa. It's about avoiding girls who can't stick to one guy.

Once you are committed to that girl it's then down to you and her to make a go off it and if you really can avoid stuff like divorce, etc.

I think Bill's method has got merit and he's used it himself to find his wife. Others vary, some members prefer a purely 'Visit Many' VM model of writing to a heap of women a couple of weeks or whatever beforehand and travel to meet in a more meet up than date situation to get meet the women as quickly as possible. Neither really have anything to do with playing around or grabbing the first woman however seemingly unsuitable at first and committing yourself too regardless.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 04, 2023, 12:56:04 PM
Well I'm all blinged up in knock off bling with nowhere to go now 8)

Got a platinum neck chain 850pt, probably plated platinum off winning an eBay auction for just under £30 inc p&p a week or so back, surprised the seller didn't back out as although it's small, 18" about 3mil or so across its real shiny and looks the business. The seller never got around to sending me the tracking number despite it being sold as tracked and repeated requests so was surprised when it arrived.

Just need to sort out a girl to visit now, I'm working on it using various methods, some interest though no definates at present.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 04, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
yes, that's likely platinum plated sterling
soon as someone picks it up, they'll feel the difference
cuz silver is half the density of platinum
you could drop it in a graduated cylinder, calculate the volume based on the displaced water, and divide the weight by this volume and see the density
the plated sterling chains, will usually have a 925 hallmark, it's possible you have a real 850 platinum chain, you can have it appraised and find out if you don't wanna calculate it yourself

here's an image for haters to focus on, an old pic from me in my california days,  lo there many years ago
BEFORE I had laser hair removal around my lips
and an older military photo when I was a teen soldier in the US military and later Israeli

huge advantage, the way I look, nobody would ever believe by looking at me, that I'm a stone cold killer
i'd hide behind my appearance
the wolf who looks like a sheep

6'3" almost Beel's height
strong muscular body
fair haired, blue eyes
HIGH IQ
very high income

no problem for me to meet wimmin in Ukraine
I could just walk up to them and talk to them (in Russian!)
none of them would turn away
eventually one of em caught me

but haters gonna hate

I challenge my critics to post THEIR images....
knowing full well, none of them will
they can only spew their reactionary hatred
because I call them out for who they are




Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 04, 2023, 02:39:06 PM
yes, that's platinum plated sterling
soon as someone picks it up, they'll feel the difference
cuz silver is half the density of platinum

here's an image for haters to focus on, an old pic from me in my california days,  lo there many years ago
BEFORE I had laser hair removal around my lips
and an older military photo when I was a teen soldier in the US military and later Israeli

huge advantage, the way I look, nobody would ever believe by looking at me, that I'm a stone cold killer
i'd hide behind my appearance
the wolf who looks like a sheep

6'3" almost Beel's height
strong muscular body
fair haired, blue eyes
HIGH IQ
very high income

no problem for me to meet wimmin in Ukraine
I could just walk up to them and talk to them (in Russian!)
none of them would turn away
eventually one of em caught me

but haters gonna hate

I challenge my critics to post THEIR images....

I always thought fair haired meant blond? You kind of look like you've got brown hair in the photos.

Not sure if it's plated silver or some other metal, guess I could try a magnet, might just be plated stainless steel. It does have 850pt printed on around the clasp. Less than the standard 950pt so my guess is either the plating is mixed with another metal or it's an alloy all the way through at 850pt. If it's the latter even at 850pt it's worth a hell of a lot more than what I paid from what I see. Guy selling it said it was purchased originally from Dolce & Gabanna though offered no evidence of this. I wasn't bothered so long as it was a cheap bargain that would look the real deal. Not sure on weight it's not real heavy but then again it's not a big neck chain. It's in a continuous herringbone snake chain rather than a link chain with holes in the middle of each link. Looking up online a girl said she thought continuous chain without the holes she much preferred guys to wear so I went with that.

My father had blue eyes, me not so, mine are more towards brown. Looking online it's far less common having blue eyes than brown(ish). Online it seems that yes they are quite alluring to women so probably have you an advantage there. Tall height many women like so another advantage. I myself think you do indeed have high IQ based off your maths & IT ability, wealth, decision making, powers of analysis & foresight, and from what I have seen on here so I will give you that Krim ;)
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 04, 2023, 03:39:42 PM
the photos don't capture it, but my hair is a mixture of blond, brown, and even some red... (and now some platinum gray)
In Israel, I'm in the group known as "blondies" that are favored by the women there, especially the tall, Gal Godot darker types that I fancy

it's always an advantage to be an uncommon type in the dating market
unique uncommon features immediately gain attention
you don't have to be "pretty" as much as be "different" from the rest, more unique

I had a British Mother, and a father who came from Russian Jews
in person, I look exotic to both of these groups
and this allowed me, as a teenager, to pillage all the wimmin I could ever hope for, in those two distict groups
but the older I got, the less success I was having, especially in California
where I had to date plain lookin wimmin my own age....
which I coulda lived with....
but good lord, the wimmin I met there were either bi-polar or had severe OCD
too hard for me to cope with on a long term basis.....

then fortune brought me to Russia and Ukraine
and it just rained pooty tang on me there
and I mean "top-shelf" pooty tang!

I feel sorry, for guys, who weren't given, or born with some kinda "edge"
that you can learn to sharpen
to help you "cut-through" life

wimmin, especially smart wimmin are IMMEDIATELY attracted to exotic members of the opposite sex
most wimmin over there have some kinda cinderella complex, and dream of a knight to rescue them
you can resonate with that idea

and you can add a lotta extra "virtue signaling" by how you dress and behave
and especially HOW you behave towards them
I always shared a "mutual fascination" with Ukrainian wimmin
the attraction was ALWAYS both ways

many, but not all ukrainian/russian men have a kinda slavic similarity to each other, that foreigners don't have
being "exotic" physically and how and where you live appeals to a woman's curiosity....
also all poor people are fascinated by the wealthy
honestly, I just tried bein a good friend to have fun with
and then when we'd start to touch each other innocently
i'd kick it up a notch

my first trip to Ukraine back in the '90s, just totally blew me away
in America, I'd have to work pretty damned hard to pan for a few flakes of gold in the dating river
Ukraine, back in thr 90s, had gold nuggets everywhere, that could be easily "picked up"
GOB SMACKED I WAS

what a great couple of months I had in Kiev back then
sigh...





Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Grumpy on October 04, 2023, 04:39:36 PM
 365 threads of pondering, advise, and miscellaneous ramblings that might benefit some here.
http://www.loveshack.org/forums/24-in-search-of/

Donate my advise fee to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 04, 2023, 05:26:02 PM
a quick read, shows more dysfunctional people than even HERE!!!

how do people end up like this?
the great mass of humanity REALLY IS living a life of "quiet desperation"
WHY?
I really don't know, why?

after reading about other people's experiences, I realize how fortunate I've been
but I always assumed that my life was more or less "normal"

turns out that it's NOT...

you only get one turn at life
and a lot of people, don't even get that one chance to live

Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Grumpy on October 04, 2023, 07:25:32 PM
Thankful to be both fortunate and lucky.

http://youtu.be/jtMi8PpyTvc
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 04, 2023, 11:28:03 PM
a quick read, shows more dysfunctional people than even HERE!!!

how do people end up like this?
the great mass of humanity REALLY IS living a life of "quiet desperation"
WHY?

I really don't know, why?

after reading about other people's experiences, I realize how fortunate I've been
but I always assumed that my life was more or less "normal"

turns out that it's NOT...

you only get one turn at life
and a lot of people, don't even get that one chance to live

Yep, that's what I've been trying to tell you all. It's the sad state society is getting itself into these days. It's not just that forum there are others out there all with people quietly wondering this, that and the other, hoping beyond hope that something will come good for them.

Personally I put it down to feminism. I'm pretty sure it's only/mostly in the western world it is like this. I think you're lucky to have grown up in the era you did Krim. I think once feminism changed society properly in the nineties with equal pay for women and more women chasing careers, i.e very much in competition with the men it all changed.

Basically Men didn't know the score anymore, I didn't. Unless you were a guy with above average looks, social ability or gym bod it became real hard to score even a half decent women. Guys were kind of left not sure what women wanted anymore if they didn't want providing for. I think that kind of got the whole ball rolling of quietly wondering & hoping. Back before then guys would just ask a girl and if he got a knockback it wouldn't matter as he was earning around a third more so would consider it her loss and happily try another girl knowing that in general being able to provide at a higher salary would likely stand him in good stead with a girl and he would get one before long. Girls would generally well receive a guy even if they were more interested in another guy. Looking at one of the threads on the mentioned forum is one girl getting her snot up about some guy texting her with good morning & good night texts, she blocks him after a couple of days, that's the kind of snootyness that can commonly be found these days. The change in the balance of earning has led to many girls being very dismissive of guys and very fussy.

So a big chasm opens up between the two and all this odd carry on comes about. The two sexes not really understanding each other anymore as the balance that existed between the two is all messed up.

Unfortunately mention it to many western females and they can't see the wood for the trees. They are so focused on what they think they are getting more - better pay on a par with men - allowing them to buy what they want when they want. They don't see that it's all a con, they are having to work more for it, in the past the man would go do the work and either hand the pay cheque over to the woman or buy her what she wanted anyway. She would either not have to work much at all or not at all. So she's just having to work a lot more now just for the employer to pass her the pay cheque. Why western women are so much dumber than their east european counterparts I don't know.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 04, 2023, 11:54:06 PM
My father was much the same as you I think he couldn't understand why I couldn't get a gf in my early twenties or my brother. My brother eventually got with a girl who is overweight so not what most guys go far, usually what most guys avoid.

My father though grew up in a different age, dating in the 60s. My impression is that it was much easier to date then and girls were way more up for it and received guys well. I don't think he really caught on either that society had changed unless you had a big positive obvious to the girl they could often be far more hostile and unwelcoming. Let's face it even you with your intelligence & wealth, well while you could pick up in the west and no doubt in later eras you ended up with a woman from the FSU. You could have hunted around the US in the 90s but by then of course western society was already fucking it up for guys. Probably does seem strange the way society has gone, it's gotten even weirder since the 90s as all the 'Metoo' aggressiveness towards men stuff has come about, i.e women getting increasingly hostile towards men and men really having to watch their back in terms of what they do and say around women.

Generally back in the day women used to get competitive about getting a guy, they watched their waist line, now they get competitive against guys, they can easily view you as the competition in the way of their rise up the career ladder. They can get very unpleasant and nasty so the opposite of what's needed to get with them.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Grumpy on October 05, 2023, 12:40:16 AM
Trench, you remind me of the the woman that  refused to have babies because she didn't want to deal with dirty diapers or nappies or whatever you Brits call a dirty bottom. Get some empathy for the female gender and be an adult.
Life is a shitty mess...Get over it!!!
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 05, 2023, 02:16:42 AM
Trench, you remind me of the the woman that  refused to have babies because she didn't want to deal with dirty diapers or nappies or whatever you Brits call a dirty bottom. Get some empathy for the female gender and be an adult.
Life is a shitty mess...Get over it!!!

I get that women didn't like the fact that they were tied to the kitchen sink, stove, washing machine, etc. No it wasn't of course all lounging around for them while their guy was out at work. However, it was rarely better for the guy, being waved off to work each day while the woman didn't have too and work ending up a prison sentence of slavery. My father in his fifties used to say he just felt like a wage slave, working to get paid just to work the next day, week, month, etc. After many decades at it he was fed up with it. So no it wasn't great for either side but the system at least worked. Now we have a system that just plain doesn't work, it's why we go to the FSU after all.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 05, 2023, 07:58:34 AM
"dating in the 60s."

I had my first handjob back then, just shy of being a teen
man was I surprised by the "outcome"
but still, all in all, I think that people are basically good...

Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 05, 2023, 02:34:26 PM
Ok... Well think I may have gotten onto a good one on F-date now. She's attractive looking, kind of above average but a little bit less tarty sort of girl, more kind of geeky girl. She's not the thinnest girl around but I would say not noticeably fat. Anyhow I weighed up the pros and cons and decided that she's near enough the target but not as likely to attract guys from far and wide due to her geeky edge.

That's handy as it gives me an opportunity to write to her and  my messages be read without her inbox being stuffed full of messages. The geeky side didn't necessarily thrill me as I've got that angle covered ;D but there's positive in the negative. We've got stuff in common and on a level where we should be able to get on. Some girls who are a bit dumb can be difficult to relate too. Of course intelligence tends to be a bit hereditary so the girl not being a dumbass is no bad thing so long as it's not over the top that it's detrimental socially.

Early days but I think she will be one worth meeting up with and if chemistry is good then it could be a goer :)

Beefarmer I hope you're taking some notes down here as to ideas about how to go about it ;)
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 06, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
this pic is of (13), 4 troy OZ Russian .999 Platinum bars - 52 OZ in total
next to Czarist Silver Ruble and Soviet 10 Ruble Silver Coin for size comparison

when alloyed and cast, this will make about 320 platinum diamond ring settings
worth about $120,000 USD without stones
but...
I can bid on a lot of raw stones in the "diamond district" in Manhattan
and get an AMAZING deal on Russian stones that came through from Latvia
pay in cash, with zero questions asked

combine these, and now you're talkin $1.5 million USD retail, after casting rings, and cutting and mounting stones (plus diamond pieces left over that are sellable!)

these raw materials, would have a 40% tax added to them, if brought into Israel legally
but 0%, if you don't bring them in legally
guess, which way I choose

gave me enormous leverage when negotiating with a Tel Aviv Jewelry Mfg
negotiating "the split"
the more major stones, we auction off in Dubai
and the smaller 1-2 carats are retail grade that can be wholesaled to jewelry stores

all of this was tax free, 320 settings would only take a few months to sell-out
so you already need to restock as soon as you start sellin!!

Unfortunately, the war has cut-off my access to all of this...
but a nice money maker

Title: Note for Newbies: what is the numbers game?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 06, 2023, 03:19:02 PM
I'll disagree.  It is not a numbers game for a man to decide who to make a commitment to.

Some men are looking for one woman to spend their life with.  Divorce is not an option. 

The man chooses the lady, and then makes a commitment.  Yes, the man has to choose wisely, but having made a commitment, he finds a way to make the relationship work.

Playing the numbers game is for guys who are never 100% willing to make a commitment.  If you believe divorce is an option if things turn sour on down the road, then you were never fully committed.  A guy who is fully committed will spend the rest of his life trying to find a way to make things work.


You misunderstand what I mean as the numbers game. The numbers game is before the
commitment, long before any commitment.

Let me explain what I mean as the numbers game.

You cast a wide net and contact a zillion women, you sort through the women looking for
an exceptional woman. You will cast away hundreds of women before you find a woman
worth pursuing. You cast off any liars, frauds or women of low character because none
of them are worth pursuing. You eliminate fatty's, dykes, or uglies. Doing that eliminating
is the numbers game. You start with a large number and sort it down to a small number,
eventually getting to one. When you get to one the numbers game is over.
You still have to win her heart, but no more numbers game.

It's just like mining for gold, you shovel a lot of sand and gravel before you find a gold
nugget. The more sand and gravel you shovel, the more likely you are going to find a
nugget of gold. The same can be said about an excellent woman.

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on October 06, 2023, 03:41:23 PM
I think Bill means ............

Trench your synopsis is probably the longest you have ever written without totally
screwing up whatever I was trying to say. The visit many version of the numbers
game is to meet as many as you can vs visit one is contacting as many as you can.

I don't advocate one over the other as long as you have a backup plan for visit one.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for this post. In your posts after the quoted
one you go back to being a total incel-idiot. You do NOT select a woman based on
the theory that other men won't want her.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 06, 2023, 07:01:21 PM
Thanks Bill that's the best sort of good complement I've had from you in a while on here :D

Well one thing I'll Beefarmer is when sifting and sorting girls take into account how they communicate with you, or not so. At the moment I am communicating with a couple of girls one puts a fair bit down another not so much. I don't think it's so much because she is not interested but because she is one of those FSW who just suffices with short matter of fact statements but is not so much into discussion. That for me is not really likely to be one I get on with. I've met a girl like that before and it's difficult to be in conversation with them or keep a conversation going.

For me the other girl who I can have a bit of a discussion with suits me much better I think. I've punted forward the idea of a meet up so hopefully we'll get something on. She's the girl I mentioned above. I get the feeling I'm hitting the mark here but you never really know until you meet up. I think she just lines up better with my personality than other girls I've met before, hopefully I'll be right. Rough idea of meeting in a month's time so that's not too bad if so. After that just moving things forward to avoid some other dude getting in there and of course that's the general point if it all anyway.

Krim thanks for showing the Platinum stuff. Yeah I can see the bars are a lot more shiny than the silver coins. That's a lot of money to be playing around with, out of my ball park at least. I'll have to content myself with the cheaper plated end of it all I think, lol.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 07, 2023, 02:23:51 AM
Well, the girl I am keen on I'm getting very keen on at present. Things communication wise are going very well so far :) I have one potential problem at the moment in that she seems to be on Fdate a lot. Possibly she might just leave her mobile on and refresh the screen every so often. I have done that in the past to see who I could get up. However, she is a reasonably attractive girl so yeah she could get other guys up.

So competition could be a problem. I cannot go meet her for a month at present, her situation not mine or I would do. She is embarking on a new course if study soon so that may help me in the long term as other guys may drop off and she have less time for them. At the moment though it is a concern and the only thing I can do is probably offer her my WhatsApp number. That way we can communicate easily more frequently. It's a bit of a pain in some ways as I only have so much time to communicate and it doesn't necessarily block others out but often if she is communicating with me then she is not communicating with other guys to some extent no guarantees of course. I think I will just have to plug for messaging on WhatsApp and hope for the best. In time things may move in my favour and if she turns out to be the one for me then all is good I think.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on October 07, 2023, 06:02:44 AM
You have to give a woman a reason to not talk with other guys. If guys can whittle down women till they get the golden nugget, then so can women. And just getting on a plane doesn't make you her future husband. A woman can be with a charismatic, interesting guy with little money and they can tolerate a bore with lots of money.

You have to look honestly at yourself and ask if the 30 year old sunglasses, a 20 year old sports car and a house refurbishment heading towards it's 10th year is enough to make her a future Mrs Trench. If not, what is missing. Here's something that won't count against you - work full time hours.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 07, 2023, 11:39:07 AM
You have to give a woman a reason to not talk with other guys. If guys can whittle down women till they get the golden nugget, then so can women. And just getting on a plane doesn't make you her future husband. A woman can be with a charismatic, interesting guy with little money and they can tolerate a bore with lots of money.

You have to look honestly at yourself and ask if the 30 year old sunglasses, a 20 year old sports car and a house refurbishment heading towards it's 10th year is enough to make her a future Mrs Trench. If not, what is missing. Here's something that won't count against you - work full time hours.

Can we use the word 'Classic' :D

I get you, you speak the truth Stephen although I think the real Gold (plated) sunglass and the real (plated) Platinum she won't but be able to help notice :)
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 07, 2023, 06:57:22 PM
numbers games all come down to QUANTITY...
however, some venues offer you an advantage over others

if you're NOT a wage slave livin a life of quiet desperation...
i.e. you can WORK REMOTELY

it makes sense to work remotely in Ukraine, in a university town

kinda hard to beat ukrainian universities as a huntin ground fer young ukrainian wimmin...
especially freshman ukrainian village girls with "big naturals"
you don't get much closer to heaven than that
smack that tight booty, and watch the ripple hit the nipple

PIC1 - the kinda girl I wanted to find in Ukraine....

PIC2 - and the one I actually found!!!!

BINGO!!!
she looks like Natasha, AND has the Natasha accent...
a submissive slavic woman can become ANYTHING you want her to be
she WANTS to PLEASE YOU!!!

we work very well together...
and complement each other
the older intellectual American and the younger spontaneous Ukrainian

I have a comfort spot, when I sleep
putting my face between my wife's soft boobs
and sleep like a little baby, safe in his mother's bosom

how do ya'll sleep?


i'm guessin you read a few passages out of the New Testament, like Revelations
'afore ya nodd off...

THAT would actually keep me awake, thinkin about it



when you raise Parakeets, you can't keep a bird by itself, or it will behave abnormally, like pulling out it's own feathers
they have to be raised in at least pairs or more


a lone Parakeet pulling out it's feathers

consider this ...

five years from now, I'll have Grand children
and you'll STILL be single!!!
alone in your cage, with hardly ANY feathers left...
approaching age 50, and have a steeply declining "datability"

nothin to worry about...
except for the part about bein a poor lonely old man....

casualty rates in Houston, with daily shootings/murdrs, etc
exceeds Russian cruise missile attacks
the sword of damocles always hangs above us
no matter where we are

I'd go with either Kiev or Ternopil
but not now, wait until spring

in Ukraine, it's ALWAYS 1849...
and the 49ers will come in search of riches

poseurs can sign up for pay per letter and get scammed
while wise men rent an Apartment off the city square which includes a high speed cable modem

first place ya gotta check out is the "banking district"
banks usually have the HOTTEST lookin professional women
I've seen lottsa 9 to 9.5 wimmin in Ukrainian banks
especially the ones who handle FOREX and wire transfers

you sit next to them, at their desk, while you're signing stuff
a super sexy model lookin secretary, who casually lets her hair slip down onto your shoulder....
while you sign off on a $100,000 transaction....
you DEFINITELY have her attention and FOCUS!!!

what a rush...
but externally, on the surface, you must be calm
and let them do the talkin

Title: Re: Note for Newbies: what is the numbers game?
Post by: Bee Farmer on October 08, 2023, 08:23:34 AM

You misunderstand what I mean as the numbers game. The numbers game is before the
commitment, long before any commitment.

Let me explain what I mean as the numbers game.

You cast a wide net and contact a zillion women, you sort through the women looking for
an exceptional woman. You will cast away hundreds of women before you find a woman
worth pursuing. You cast off any liars, frauds or women of low character because none
of them are worth pursuing. You eliminate fatty's, dykes, or uglies. Doing that eliminating
is the numbers game. You start with a large number and sort it down to a small number,
eventually getting to one. When you get to one the numbers game is over.
You still have to win her heart, but no more numbers game.

It's just like mining for gold, you shovel a lot of sand and gravel before you find a gold
nugget. The more sand and gravel you shovel, the more likely you are going to find a
nugget of gold. The same can be said about an excellent woman.

No, I understand what you mean by the numbers game, and it is complete and utter bullshit.  That is the recipe for FAILURE.  That is the recipe for DIVORCE.  That is the recipe for broken families, and negative impacts on children.  This is NOT how you create a loving, healthy environment to raise children.

Lots of men find great wives in fatties and uglies.  Those things have nothing to do with being a good mother, or loyalty.  (I've known a lot of great, loving mothers who were ugly, and fat women report the most marital happiness.)

There is a secret to a happy, lifelong marriage.  It has a 97% success rate.  It involves a different numbers game.  It involves the number one.  It starts and ends with the number one.

Since the 2000's, women who marry as virgins only have a 3% divorce rate.  If a lady has one prior sexual partner before marriage, the divorce rate is closer to 20%.  If she has 2 prior sexual partners, she might as well have 10.  Even for a first marriage, the divorce rate is roughly 40%.  If you marry someone who has been divorced, the divorce rate is 66%.  The divorce rate is 75% for 3rd marriages.  That is the numbers game you are playing.

If you are going to cast a wide net trying to find a woman worth pursuing, then you must reject any woman who is divorced or is a single mother or who has multiple prior sexual partners.  They might be fun to fool around with, but they aren't marriage material.  This is not someone to build a family with.  (But the same goes for any guy who is divorced or has kids - he might be fun, but he's not marriage material.)  Pursuing a divorced woman or a woman with kids is like being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver.  If kids are involved, it's like having your kids in the car with the drunk driver, and no loving parent would do that to their kids.  It seldom ends well.

One of the problems with marrying a divorced person is they can never fully commit to you.  In order to be fully committed, you can't view divorce as an option.  If you view divorce as an option, you will never invest yourself fully into making the relationship work, because you know if the problem is great enough, divorce is the easy way out.

Trying to cast a wide net and sorting through women is like a kid in a candy store.  It results in indecision and uncertainty, never being able to decide what is the best.  But if you limit your options to begin with, it's much easier to find one that you will be happy with.  (And most of the time, women don't go bad until after they've been mistreated by guys.)

If you want a successful marriage, it starts with you being a good guy to begin with.  If you want to attract a good girl, be the kind of guy that good girls want.  It's not just about finding a girl with good character - the guy has to have good character too.  (If a girl with good character gets involved with a guy of poor character, the girl becomes jaded and often ends up being a girl of poor character.)

Once you are a good guy, find a girl and build a friendship before moving onto a sexual relation.  (From my personal observation, most guys will never invest in a relationship with a girl more than the level they were at when they first had sex.  The number one reason guys get married is availability of sex, and sadly, many guys ideal committed relationship would best be described as a one night stand that happens every night with the same girl.  Emotional connection is minimal.)  Sadly, once people have become sexually active

But if you want to marry a virgin and have a 97% marriage success rate, that means you need to get married by age 22, since about 98% of people have had sex by age 22.  While there are a few exceptions, most marriages with virgin brides are happy marriages.  In the cases they are not happy marriages, it is almost always due to the girl marrying a man of poor character.

There's plenty of scientific data to show that guys never get over their first love.  They move on, but they never get over her.  It is emotionally easier for women to move on from failed relationships than for men.

I had my first girlfriend when I was 19, and she was 16.  She had a great body, but was plain in the face.  But she was an extremely sweet and caring girl.  If we had gotten married, I'm sure I would still be happily married.  I adored her, and we became very close over the next few years.  I didn't date again until I was 30, and by then, the good ones my age were gone or in hiding.

Be a good guy.  Find a good girl and pursue her.  Most girls start out good.  But if you are a man of poor character, you will likely turn that good girl into a woman of poor character.

But marriage becomes a very slippery slope when you are past your early 20's, or if you are divorced.  Caution should be your guiding principle.  You are playing with fire.  I think selfish desires are often the guiding principle for folks who pursue marriage when they aren't very good marriage material.  But selfish people don't care about the other lives they damage.
Title: Exorcise the incel demons and never talk about them again
Post by: 2tallbill on October 08, 2023, 11:55:46 AM
Well, the girl I am keen on I'm getting very keen on at present. Things communication wise are going very well so far :) Blah, blah, blah, blah, I am so insecure, so I will create stupid sh!t in my head, Blah, blah, blah, blah, I am so insecure, so I will create stupid sh!t in my head, Blah, blah, blah, blah, I am so insecure, so I will create stupid sh!t in my head, Blah, blah, blah, blah, I am so insecure, so I will create stupid sh!t in my head, Blah, blah, blah, blah, I am so insecure, so I will create stupid sh!t in my head,

Trench shut up, buy the f#cking tickets, then amazingly the girl will only think about you,
only talk to you and so on. Nobody at the forum wants to talk to you about your silly
perceptions and insecurities. If you find a good girl and win her heart, all the useless
crapola floating around in your head never happens. You need to exorcise the incel
demons and never talk about them again.

A good girl who loves you will not leave you for someone else. Although you are so lazy, 
full of excuses, and this incel stuff runs your life,  that I can't imagine a girl falling in
love with you.

42 year old woman from Moldova speaks English, tall, nice to look at, no kids. Has zero
chances locally finding love and marriage. I can only look at her first photo, maybe she
has a fat ass, I have no idea. Angel Eyes is taking Mini me to Russian school but I can't
be checking out single women in Moldova
http://fdating.com/profile?id=5244461;

Title: Winning at the Numbers Game
Post by: ML on October 08, 2023, 02:03:14 PM
I played the Numbers Game big time in the FSU.

Turned out pretty well for me.

- - - - -

Many years earlier as a very young man . . . I didn't play the Numbers Game; primarily because I didn't have the looks or resources to play with.

I married a USA gal who was my first serious relationship.

She was a virgin.  I had roamed the Far East in the US Navy.

We were never really very compatible, even as we remained married for longer than many of the younger guys here have been alive.

I wish I could have played the Numbers Game back then.
Title: Re: Note for Newbies: what is the numbers game?
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 08, 2023, 03:01:50 PM
No, I understand what you mean by the numbers game, and it is complete and utter bullshit.  That is the recipe for FAILURE.  That is the recipe for DIVORCE.  That is the recipe for broken families, and negative impacts on children.  This is NOT how you create a loving, healthy environment to raise children.

Lots of men find great wives in fatties and uglies.  Those things have nothing to do with being a good mother, or loyalty.  (I've known a lot of great, loving mothers who were ugly, and fat women report the most marital happiness.)

There is a secret to a happy, lifelong marriage.  It has a 97% success rate.  It involves a different numbers game.  It involves the number one.  It starts and ends with the number one.

Since the 2000's, women who marry as virgins only have a 3% divorce rate.  If a lady has one prior sexual partner before marriage, the divorce rate is closer to 20%.  If she has 2 prior sexual partners, she might as well have 10.  Even for a first marriage, the divorce rate is roughly 40%.  If you marry someone who has been divorced, the divorce rate is 66%.  The divorce rate is 75% for 3rd marriages.  That is the numbers game you are playing.

If you are going to cast a wide net trying to find a woman worth pursuing, then you must reject any woman who is divorced or is a single mother or who has multiple prior sexual partners.  They might be fun to fool around with, but they aren't marriage material.  This is not someone to build a family with.  (But the same goes for any guy who is divorced or has kids - he might be fun, but he's not marriage material.)  Pursuing a divorced woman or a woman with kids is like being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver.  If kids are involved, it's like having your kids in the car with the drunk driver, and no loving parent would do that to their kids.  It seldom ends well.

One of the problems with marrying a divorced person is they can never fully commit to you.  In order to be fully committed, you can't view divorce as an option.  If you view divorce as an option, you will never invest yourself fully into making the relationship work, because you know if the problem is great enough, divorce is the easy way out.

Trying to cast a wide net and sorting through women is like a kid in a candy store.  It results in indecision and uncertainty, never being able to decide what is the best.  But if you limit your options to begin with, it's much easier to find one that you will be happy with.  (And most of the time, women don't go bad until after they've been mistreated by guys.)

If you want a successful marriage, it starts with you being a good guy to begin with.  If you want to attract a good girl, be the kind of guy that good girls want.  It's not just about finding a girl with good character - the guy has to have good character too.  (If a girl with good character gets involved with a guy of poor character, the girl becomes jaded and often ends up being a girl of poor character.)

Once you are a good guy, find a girl and build a friendship before moving onto a sexual relation.  (From my personal observation, most guys will never invest in a relationship with a girl more than the level they were at when they first had sex.  The number one reason guys get married is availability of sex, and sadly, many guys ideal committed relationship would best be described as a one night stand that happens every night with the same girl.  Emotional connection is minimal.)  Sadly, once people have become sexually active

But if you want to marry a virgin and have a 97% marriage success rate, that means you need to get married by age 22, since about 98% of people have had sex by age 22.  While there are a few exceptions, most marriages with virgin brides are happy marriages.  In the cases they are not happy marriages, it is almost always due to the girl marrying a man of poor character.

There's plenty of scientific data to show that guys never get over their first love.  They move on, but they never get over her.  It is emotionally easier for women to move on from failed relationships than for men.

I had my first girlfriend when I was 19, and she was 16.  She had a great body, but was plain in the face.  But she was an extremely sweet and caring girl.  If we had gotten married, I'm sure I would still be happily married.  I adored her, and we became very close over the next few years.  I didn't date again until I was 30, and by then, the good ones my age were gone or in hiding.

Be a good guy.  Find a good girl and pursue her.  Most girls start out good.  But if you are a man of poor character, you will likely turn that good girl into a woman of poor character.

But marriage becomes a very slippery slope when you are past your early 20's, or if you are divorced.  Caution should be your guiding principle.  You are playing with fire.  I think selfish desires are often the guiding principle for folks who pursue marriage when they aren't very good marriage material.  But selfish people don't care about the other lives they damage.

Now this I do agree with Beefarmer I really do. Divorce is too easy these days, but aside from that I think you're right that both parties have to view it as it's not an option. If there is a falling out they have to agree that it's a no go area whatever the issue and however they want to throw the largest thing they can at each other - unfortunately that usually is divorce which is why it's handy that if it's a no go or firmly ingrained into the mind never to even utter those words.

As to the rest, yeah I think a long time back the idea of each person going after just one person - and them of course wanting them did mean that people weren't stepping all on each others toes in one big dating chaotic mess.

However, it looks like we are stuck where we are now and little point wanting society to be the way that it isn't and isn't likely to be, at least not for probably a long while if ever.

So we just got to deal with what they're is. We are a product of the society around us to a large degree. Acting like how the dating scene was decades ago or longer isn't likely to do much these days. How many women care if a guy is a virgin?

How many guys want a girl who is a virgin as a prime concern?

I remember when DK/Japs was on here. When he first start posting he was hell bent on finding a girl who was a virgin. He was English of at least part Muslim ish decent I think but not particularly religious, thinks his mother might have been Catholic or something. Apologies if that is slightly wrong but somewhere in that sort of background.

Anyhow, I think he eventually gave up the wanting a girl who was a virgin thing. These days girls just don't get brought up like that. If they are still a virgin by the time they are in their late teens to early twenties or later it's usually because they are so fat, ugly or both. Most dudes balk at getting with such girls, telling them she is a virgin isn't likely to make them more appealing but probably make them think, I don't wonder at it!

I know it's a shame in a way as none of us get to choose how attractive looking we are. Sure we can make an effort to keep the weight off, so for fat girls perhaps it's their fault. The way things are is the way things are. If I was an out and out ugly guy with a bald head and short how many girls would look at me? Would it help telling them I'm a virgin? I doubt it.

For Fdate I usually look at the profile and so often I can eliminate many without contacting them. Often I end up messaging one pretty quickly once one emerges who will respond in kind as I just don't have the time to message multiple women in my day.

I would be interested to know how exactly you would go about using Fdate in terms of method?
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 09, 2023, 06:29:58 AM
Simpliscicus Sez
to those who live in the deep valleys

no matter how long you wait...
the mountain will not come to you...
therefor...
YOU MUST GO TO THE MOUNTAIN!!!
and then climb...

FAILURE to DO SO...
means you're gonna spend the rest of your life, all ALONE and MISERABLE
just like ya are NOW...

none of the words you write on RWD directly discus why you've failed SO COMPLETELY THUS FAR (16 yr old cousin, and being "held back" by EVILS of modern society, rock and roll music, etc)
but indirectly, I can see why...
and THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE FOR YOU!!!!

as a result, you will NEVER fully live your life
pretty soon, you're gonna be a sad, lonely little old man...
got it?

and all the words you spilled on RWD about your philosophy
are as good as a homeless man's sidewalk rant of how to be a "Great Success"

when this reality finally finds you...
and grips you by your balls
I hope you remember it was me, who pointed it out to ya
that would make me feel "all warm and fuzzy" inside

I am your antithesis
and I've done ALL THE THINGS you have FAILED to even try...
and I NEVER worry about failing...
cuz I can allways count on failing towards a different success than what I intended

the only real rule in the dating game
is that "there are no rules" in the dating game
and only a "rube" would follow the rules, even IF THERE WERE ANY

no two snowflakes or people are the same
and every day is a new day

embrace the world, and it will hug you back
reject the world, and it will reject you in turn

it's not hard to figure out...
that you are "a poor lost soul" ...
who is suffering from "sensory deprivation" in the cell he's serving a life sentence in

why didn't you EVER TRY to escape from your cell and find freedom
This is called "Right of Passage"
an experience you totally lack
and why you NEVER became a man
who could successfully solve his own problems
and get what he wanted from life
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 09, 2023, 07:22:07 AM
I think also back in the day, way back when women were more on the domestic side it made stuff easy. Men knew that women were mostly about having kids and family. Now with women in careers it throws up all sorts of personalities and it's a case of if you match up well enough this way, that way, etc.

Though like I said there's the way we would like things to be and the way they are. No point dwelling too much on a world that isn't I guess.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 09, 2023, 07:53:29 AM
Trench...
come over here, sit down...
now listen!

you wouldn't make enuff of that Sterling for your wife to stay home and be a "homemaker"
nope!
she would HAVE TO WORK to help support you both

and this is NOT because of some "social problem"
NOPE!!
it's because YOU don't make enuff

so YOUR REALITY is controlled BY YOU Trench
and NOT by society

lack of money
is the root of all evil Trench
this is problem #1 for you, but ya got a bunch more

solve your problems
and surely goodness will follow in its wake

virtue always rewards itself
the greater your virtue, the greater is your reward

where's YOUR VIRTUE Trench?
can ya show it to me?

ya think wimmin don't appraise men, quicker than a pawn shop jeweler?
jeeeeeezzzz

they're gonna look at you, and say "this is worthless costume jewelry" and toss it to the counter

don't ya see that?

Trench, you are WAY, WAY more on the "spectrum", than what you think you are
your autistic tendencies found a perfect home for you in familiar surroundings, in your home village

dewds, it's ALWAYS a FATAL MOVE to NOT leave your hometown
ALWAYS!

if ya don't, you'll end up like Trench and Bee Farmer

when you're young, the whole damned world stretches out before you, like a giant buffet
try not to make a pig out of yourself, like I did





Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 09, 2023, 02:34:49 PM
Trench...
come over here, sit down...
now listen!

you wouldn't make enuff of that Sterling for your wife to stay home and be a "homemaker"
nope!
she would HAVE TO WORK to help support you both

and this is NOT because of some "social problem"
NOPE!!
it's because YOU don't make enuff

so YOUR REALITY is controlled BY YOU Trench
and NOT by society

lack of money
is the root of all evil Trench
this is problem #1 for you, but ya got a bunch more

solve your problems
and surely goodness will follow in its wake

virtue always rewards itself
the greater your virtue, the greater is your reward

where's YOUR VIRTUE Trench?
can ya show it to me?

ya think wimmin don't appraise men, quicker than a pawn shop jeweler?
jeeeeeezzzz

they're gonna look at you, and say "this is worthless costume jewelry" and toss it to the counter

don't ya see that?

Trench, you are WAY, WAY more on the "spectrum", than what you think you are
your autistic tendencies found a perfect home for you in familiar surroundings, in your home village

dewds, it's ALWAYS a FATAL MOVE to NOT leave your hometown
ALWAYS!

if ya don't, you'll end up like Trench and Bee Farmer

when you're young, the whole damned world stretches out before you, like a giant buffet
try not to make a pig out of yourself, like I did

I've often seen many women as bad pawn shop jewellers. They look at what a guy is wearing, if he is off driving age what he drives if anything and pronounce their verdict on that. So long as the guy is wearing expensive stuff, has an expensive looking car he could be stoney broke and up to his neck in debt.

On the other hand the guy who evers regular gear could have a handsome sum in his bank account and so be richer. However, women will assess the first guy as wealthy and hence worthy while they pronounce the second guy as no good lol.


Back in the day it was easier, men in the west earned more than women, just think of the pull the everyday western guy would have at home and in the Ukraine if the western guy still want more than women in the west.

So yeah when you're young back in the day most guys could leave home safe in the knowledge that their larger incomes would do a lot of the talking for them, rent was lower too.

When I had come off age in the mid to late nineties they had past legislation entitling men & women for the same pay. Rent was more than it had been decades before but that went to stupidly high levels when the Poles, etc started flooding in. So you would be spending all your salary on rent, food, bills, etc and little to nothing left for entertainment, working one week just to work the next.

Women don't go for guys that are shelling out all their money on rent in a miserable situation. What sort of woman is going to want to join a guy in a situation like that???

Answer, none. Yes better to stay at home and save your money. I know some women gripe about that but why screw myself over by dropping myself in the sh*t in the rental market game. I've fortunately got my own place now all paid up for without a mortgage, that I am fortunate for. A work colleague was grumbling onto me just recently that he had to accept a bad pay because he couldn't risk being out of work and having nothing to pay his mortgage.

Like I say the world has changed, my father back in the 60s moved out of home and into lodgings. He didn't get in with his father and rent was cheaper then. Work was in plentiful supply and you could chuck in a job and pick up another in the same day, extremely difficult to do that now. In addition he had the benefit of being naturally good socially. Is it a good idea for a youngster who is socially sh*t to move out of home into rental accommodation and pay all his earning for rent and bills? Surely a hiding to nothing. What girl is going to want to get with a guy like that apart from possibly fat, ugly and even more socially awkward girls?

Back in the day rent cost wasn't a big concern for the young as it was reasonable compared to today. So yeah the guy that moved out of home was seen as someone independent where you could do your own thing. Now though rent cost is going to be a major concern of women. I would say it is another weight on the hypergamy scale, unless the guy is a pretty boy, good socially etc then him being a rent monkey is going to be seen as a negative by women these days. Sure they won't like the guy that stays at home anymore but I would say it's a pretty negligible gain dropping yourself in the rental trap. If it looks like your going to get big money through career ladder promotion then you may have some pull otherwise you're in a boat filling with water with the girl turning her nose up at you, that's the reality facing most young guys today.
Title: Note for Newbies: what is the numbers game?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 09, 2023, 04:25:56 PM
No, I understand what you mean by the numbers game, and it is complete and utter bullshit.  That is the recipe for FAILURE.  That is the recipe for DIVORCE.  That is the recipe for broken families, and negative impacts on children.  This is NOT how you create a loving, healthy environment to raise children.

Bee Farmer, there are no time machines. There is no place or source for virgin brides.
Therefore we need to act as if we live in reality. I don't post advice for high school
students here at the forum.


One of the problems with marrying a divorced person is they can never fully commit to you. 

I would like to see any back up for your claims. Do you have any studies to site?

Lots of men find great wives in fatties and uglies.

Trying to cast a wide net and sorting through women is like a kid in a candy store.  It results in indecision and uncertainty, never being able to decide what is the best.

For you maybe, some people are not as indecisive.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 11, 2023, 02:59:39 AM
Is this the Tinder Swindler? Lol :D

http://fdating.com/profile?id=5329989;

Now why didn't I think of taking a photo inside a private jet???

Think there might be an Airport Museum near me where I can get this done on the cheap.

Then again maybe I might be overdoing a bit, don't want the ladies idea as to my wealth getting too carried away now.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Steven1971 on October 11, 2023, 06:34:08 AM
Get yersen a 20 quid ticket on Easy Jet lad

http://www.easyjet.com/en/inspireme#inspire=1&origin=LGW&date=United-Kingdom_One-Way_Orange-drop&card=ALC
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 12, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
you guys who are "wage slaves" have too little time AND money to REALLY pursue this...
cuz to do this properly, ya gotta LIVE OVER THERE IN YOUR OWN PLACE!!!
Everything else is just BS and wishful thinking!!!

but to you "lucky few" who have a geographically  independent income
or can find a way to make money through your "exploration" abroad
the world is yur freakin oyster!!!

you "white boys" have a VERY HIGH resale value in:
Asia
Latin America
FSU
then compared to your home country resale value, where there's a gazillion other white boys just like you!
so yur better off goin to a place where there ain't a bunch of other white boyz like you for wimmin to look at

the more off the "beaten path" you go, the better your odds of finding some REALLY UNIQUE lookin woman,
who becomes "captivated" at YOUR "strangeness" and rarity as much as you are by hers!

and as long as the two of you can communicate in russian/english
then you will have a "drop dead gorgeous" woman's complete and total attention

and after she spends enuff time in your company
then this "hormonal" thing kicks in
and she starts feedin ya and takin care of ya
and then you start doin things for her in return
and then at the end of the day, you can take her clothes off, and pretty much do whatever you want with her, as long as you give her a CLIMAX..

you can go to a place like Tashkent, for example
and buy a small house http://rentintash.uz/properties-for-sale-tashkent/sale-houses/
sometimes you get really lucky and can find a property within walking distance to the university as well as have good shopping, you wanna BUY ONE LIKE THIS...
real estate is all about location!
then you have a pooty tang magnet

if you walk to the busy spots at the university, like the library, as well as the dining hall, and all the cafes that circle just outside the university
you will easily meet 1-2 super model lookin wimmin on a slow day, and several times that on a saturday/sunday (also go to supermarkets then)
in Tashkent, there's about half a dozen major ethnic groups living there
and they all tend to live within their own group in segregated areas

There's a Russian area, that is exclusively Russian, populated by people Stalin transported in the 40s from the Urals
for some reason, red hair is very common in these ethnic Russians...
so ya meet a woman in Tashkent who looks like this... pic1
invite her to lunch
and a couple of days later she's sleeping over at your place, wearing ONLY one of your T-shirts...
do NOT make her sleep on the wet spot!
be a man! and it'll evaporate off your leg in 10 min

note: Univ Linguistics Dept has gazillions of young English speakers, you could even get an invite to practice with students as a native speaker

these women will "rock your world"
but it's pretty much a rich man's world
and not a wage slave's...

my daughter lived outsode of Tel Aviv and graduated from Weizmann Institute of Science and came back to the USA with her husband at the end of June
now all their friends have been mobilized...

fortunately, I have them distracted with grad school at Rice Univ
so they're not contemplating returning

my residence outside Tel Aviv now has an armed neighborhood militia that has blockaded the street in front of my house, show ID with address to enter
current situation rules out renting out my place on airbnb

my neighbors have told me there's been some near hits with rockets
the ones fired at Tel Aviv tend to be the bigger longer range rockets with a heavier warhead
no accuracy whatsoever, just as likely to hit an arabic neighborhood as a jewish one
you can't fire an indiscriminate weapon like this at Israel
and then say it's immoral for Israel to do the same thing in return

when one side fights dirty
the other side has no choice but to fight even dirtier

Gaza Palestinians were all sacrificed by Hamas leadership to be martyrs
cuz their paymasters, the Iranians, ordered them to

this will scuttle the Saudi plan to normalize relations with Israel
and instead, Iran and Sadi Arabia, will end their Shia/Suni struggle and join with fellow petro state Russia
and Saudi Arabia will work with them to go nuclear

two yrs from now, there will be a NEW nuclear arms race
the USA will have to spend BIG here

russia will drop out of test ban treaty AND SALT
creating a nuclear free for all

if ukraine survives
totally makes sense to put Pershing II missiles there under NATO pointed at Russia
half all russian targets could be attacked from Ukraine with 5 min warning

same with china
from us bases in korea and japan, etc





Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on Catfishing
Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2023, 09:27:53 AM
Now why didn't I think of taking a photo inside a private jet???

Don't be surprised to find gold diggers when you use money as bait. The best way to find barflies
is in bars. You have wasted plenty of women's time on the internet. Did any of them believe you
are rich? Did you explain any of your incel theories? You can photoshop yourself sitting in a private
jet. Why don't you tell them that you are a Marquess? Photoshop yourself beside your king.

Catfishing: Is a deceptive activity in which a person creates a fictional persona or fake identity on
a social networking service. The practice may be used for financial gain, to compromise a victim in
some way, or for wish fulfillment.

Title: Re: Note for Newbies: what is the numbers game?
Post by: Daveman on October 14, 2023, 03:04:01 AM
No, I understand what you mean by the numbers game, and it is complete and utter bullshit.  That is the recipe for FAILURE.  That is the recipe for DIVORCE.  That is the recipe for broken families, and negative impacts on children.  This is NOT how you create a loving, healthy environment to raise children.

Lots of men find great wives in fatties and uglies.  Those things have nothing to do with being a good mother, or loyalty.  (I've known a lot of great, loving mothers who were ugly, and fat women report the most marital happiness.)

There is a secret to a happy, lifelong marriage.  It has a 97% success rate.  It involves a different numbers game.  It involves the number one.  It starts and ends with the number one.

Since the 2000's, women who marry as virgins only have a 3% divorce rate.  If a lady has one prior sexual partner before marriage, the divorce rate is closer to 20%.  If she has 2 prior sexual partners, she might as well have 10.  Even for a first marriage, the divorce rate is roughly 40%.  If you marry someone who has been divorced, the divorce rate is 66%.  The divorce rate is 75% for 3rd marriages.  That is the numbers game you are playing.

If you are going to cast a wide net trying to find a woman worth pursuing, then you must reject any woman who is divorced or is a single mother or who has multiple prior sexual partners.  They might be fun to fool around with, but they aren't marriage material.  This is not someone to build a family with.  (But the same goes for any guy who is divorced or has kids - he might be fun, but he's not marriage material.)  Pursuing a divorced woman or a woman with kids is like being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver.  If kids are involved, it's like having your kids in the car with the drunk driver, and no loving parent would do that to their kids.  It seldom ends well.

One of the problems with marrying a divorced person is they can never fully commit to you.  In order to be fully committed, you can't view divorce as an option.  If you view divorce as an option, you will never invest yourself fully into making the relationship work, because you know if the problem is great enough, divorce is the easy way out.

Trying to cast a wide net and sorting through women is like a kid in a candy store.  It results in indecision and uncertainty, never being able to decide what is the best.  But if you limit your options to begin with, it's much easier to find one that you will be happy with.  (And most of the time, women don't go bad until after they've been mistreated by guys.)

If you want a successful marriage, it starts with you being a good guy to begin with.  If you want to attract a good girl, be the kind of guy that good girls want.  It's not just about finding a girl with good character - the guy has to have good character too.  (If a girl with good character gets involved with a guy of poor character, the girl becomes jaded and often ends up being a girl of poor character.)

Once you are a good guy, find a girl and build a friendship before moving onto a sexual relation.  (From my personal observation, most guys will never invest in a relationship with a girl more than the level they were at when they first had sex.  The number one reason guys get married is availability of sex, and sadly, many guys ideal committed relationship would best be described as a one night stand that happens every night with the same girl.  Emotional connection is minimal.)  Sadly, once people have become sexually active

But if you want to marry a virgin and have a 97% marriage success rate, that means you need to get married by age 22, since about 98% of people have had sex by age 22.  While there are a few exceptions, most marriages with virgin brides are happy marriages.  In the cases they are not happy marriages, it is almost always due to the girl marrying a man of poor character.

There's plenty of scientific data to show that guys never get over their first love.  They move on, but they never get over her.  It is emotionally easier for women to move on from failed relationships than for men.

I had my first girlfriend when I was 19, and she was 16.  She had a great body, but was plain in the face.  But she was an extremely sweet and caring girl.  If we had gotten married, I'm sure I would still be happily married.  I adored her, and we became very close over the next few years.  I didn't date again until I was 30, and by then, the good ones my age were gone or in hiding.

Be a good guy.  Find a good girl and pursue her.  Most girls start out good.  But if you are a man of poor character, you will likely turn that good girl into a woman of poor character.

But marriage becomes a very slippery slope when you are past your early 20's, or if you are divorced.  Caution should be your guiding principle.  You are playing with fire.  I think selfish desires are often the guiding principle for folks who pursue marriage when they aren't very good marriage material.  But selfish people don't care about the other lives they damage.

     
Perhaps you see a heavenly arrow above each women and all have been black so far indicating Not the One? Somehow you will magically find the Golden Heavenly Arrow of Light which will indicate your one and only soul mate forever and ever.

If you have chosen a woman to contact, ask out, date, etc, while not contacting and choosing either none  or all -- you have played the numbers game, perhaps on a smaller scale, but still the numbers game.  You have a method that you use to select potential partners and weed down to exactly the number ONE. Your criteria may be different from some, most, or all, but if you have any method to weed out undesirable (to you) women and have used that method to, in fact, weed out and move on from even one woman -- you have played the numbers game.

There is no "other half" as romantic as that may be. There is basically an overall compatibility score based on percentages of compatibility in multiple areas.  Someone may be fortunate to find a very high level of compatibility in childhood.

Would you abide by an arranged marriage with no personal selection process? That removes the "kid in a candy store" potential entirely.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 14, 2023, 04:23:04 AM
there are many dimensions to the "numbers game"
one that you incels should consider, is one that works in your favor (likely the ONLY one)

but first, why are you an incel?
you're too poor, too ugly, too boring, or too mentally phuqued up to succeed in the dating game, is WHY!!!

the stronger animals find mates and reproduce
and the weaker ones don't
Darwin called it, now didn't he?
and guess which group YOU belong to?

you incels DO NOT HAVE the resources to "fish abroad"
so ya gotta fish somewhere in your own backyard
the only math that works in favor of weaker players, is AGE

as you "age out" so do your local female counterparts, but they age out even faster THAN YOU DO!
and women age 35+ are freakin desperate (and HORNY as HELL)
cuz they are rapidly losing value in the dating market
and you incels could start to look like a "safe harbor" to them

OTOH, as an incel, your value is so low, that it doesn't decrease as much with age, as the female side
so you remain "constant" while they have a big decline
so YES you could meet a Jennifer Anniston look-alike
and actually "have a shot"

i've explained before why women past age 40, have even less hope in the dating market then men do
this is the ONLY leverage you incels potentially have

i've NEVER had any problems having sex with women this age, even when I was in my late teens (actually preferred it!)

and two middle-aged people with small incomes can combine them into one moderate income

In conclusion,
instead of finding a 19 yr old Ukrainian super model with big naturals who looks like a high-end porn model
you should find a kind, intelligent woman your own age in your backyard...

ok...?



you can't always get whatcha want
but if you try some time
you just might find
that ya get whatcha need

Saint Jagger of Salisbury Plain


Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 14, 2023, 08:56:45 AM
there are many dimensions to the "numbers game"
one that you incels should consider, is one that works in your favor (likely the ONLY one)

but first, why are you an incel?
you're too poor, too ugly, too boring, or too mentally phuqued up to succeed in the dating game, is WHY!!!

the stronger animals find mates and reproduce
and the weaker ones don't
Darwin called it, now didn't he?
and guess which group YOU belong to?

you incels DO NOT HAVE the resources to "fish abroad"
so ya gotta fish somewhere in your own backyard
the only math that works in favor of weaker players, is AGE

as you "age out" so do your local female counterparts, but they age out even faster THAN YOU DO!
and women age 35+ are freakin desperate (and HORNY as HELL)
cuz they are rapidly losing value in the dating market
and you incels could start to look like a "safe harbor" to them

OTOH, as an incel, your value is so low, that it doesn't decrease as much with age, as the female side
so you remain "constant" while they have a big decline
so YES you could meet a Jennifer Anniston look-alike
and actually "have a shot"

i've explained before why women past age 40, have even less hope in the dating market then men do
this is the ONLY leverage you incels potentially have

i've NEVER had any problems having sex with women this age, even when I was in my late teens (actually preferred it!)

and two middle-aged people with small incomes can combine them into one moderate income

In conclusion,
instead of finding a 19 yr old Ukrainian super model with big naturals who looks like a high-end porn model
you should find a kind, intelligent woman your own age in your backyard...

ok...?



you can't always get whatcha want
but if you try some time
you just might find
that ya get whatcha need

Saint Jagger of Salisbury Plain

In your late teens you preferred women in their late thirties??? You sound like the guy in American Pie after Stifler's Mom lol. Are you sure we should be taking dating advice from you :-\

Darwinism doesn't work out for us humans we have too many variables. Darwinism only takes out the most stupidest among us and the most unfortunate. There are those that become desperate who will get with others that are desperate with only shared desperation as the common factor.

You must remember Bill you are of above average looks, above average height and were of above average muscles. Plus a good crop of hair, etc, all are big pluses with women so yeah you would have gotten plenty of interest from all quarters and vern able to date a plenty.

These days in the west send an everyday looking guy into a speed dating session and even the women in their mid to late thirties don't want to know most or all of them. Their heads are well and truly stuck up their rears. They complain of course when they reach their forties and interest from men in them rapidly dwindles as the men become unsure of whether they can have children and remaining independent without having to support a woman that can't fullfill what you want gets greater value.

The long and the short of it is, is that western women just don't understand that they can't have everything in life to please them, have society how they want it and it work out for them. Men are there all the while along the way like they are seeing if the deal weighs up for them too. If the deal doesn't weigh up nearly well enough no pint doing so and they walk. Western feminist society often means the deal isn't weighing up well enough at the same time on either side for many folk I believe.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 14, 2023, 10:25:39 AM
you've never had an older woman "dote on you" Trench...
don't knock it if ya aint tried it

young wimmin are generally more difficult to handle then older ones, lotta immature behavior, lotta drama, etc
older wimmin will also "take care of you better"
older wimmin WANT to give ya a BJ, younger ones will generally "make a face" unless you earned it somehow...

Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on October 14, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
you guys who are "wage slaves" have too little time AND money to REALLY pursue this...
cuz to do this properly, ya gotta LIVE OVER THERE IN YOUR OWN PLACE!!!
Everything else is just BS and wishful thinking!!!


There was a guy on the forum(s) that said, you can succeed if you don't have a lot of money
(not a broke @ss like Trench) or you can succeed if you have a lot of money but not a ton of
time. But you absolutely can't succeed without both. No time AND no money.

His theory was if you didn't have a ton of time you could use money as a force multiplier hire
a coach and someone to do some of the searching for you to narrow down the women you
want to meet and to throw away a bunch of good looking but inferior character women.
Then you could meet just good girls till you find a match.

OR

If you had lots and lots of time, but not much money you could learn Russian, spend months in
the FSU and find a good girl yourself.

BUT

You can't be broke AND have limited time with boots on the ground

My corollary is to add lazy. You can't be any combination of broke and lazy or
limited boots on the ground AND lazy. If you say AND lazy you fail.

If Trench could go live in the FSU, learn some Russian (he can't way too broke and way too lazy).
If he could go to the gym every day 6 days per week and get really fit (he can't way too lazy)
If he could get a real job or work a real side hustle (he can't too lazy and he can't hustle).

Trench has all three impossibilities. Additions to that he has faulty philosophies on life, lacks social
skills and has no confidence. He's the deaf, dumb, blind kid playing pinball* hoping to land a Russian
girl who is superior to what he can find at home.

To all the newbies read this.
Finding, romancing and marrying a hot, high quality woman from the FSU and taking her home to
live happily ever after is more difficult than it may first appear. All agencies will lie to you. There
are more difficulties than you can imagine and there are obstacles, barriers, devil/snake girls,
crazies, impediments, bad girls, hardships, the language barrier, USCIS, adversities, long
distance, culture shock, mother in laws (not all bad). If you are not committed to doing
this you fail. If you are lazy this is impossible.

The desire to have a sweet, caring, hot Russian wife is understandable. It's not for everyone, most
people can't do it, most shouldn't try. The risks, perils and pitfalls are many. Pure bliss and happiness
is pretty nice though.     

 
*phrase borrowed from The Who


             
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on October 14, 2023, 10:36:12 AM
you've never had an older woman "dote on you" Trench...
don't knock it if ya aint tried it

+100

A woman in the FSU doesn't have to be very old to be considered older there.
It's difficult to have Trench's view if you've any woman dote on you.
Title: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: 2tallbill on October 14, 2023, 11:49:38 AM
Yeah, that kind of explains a lot lol. Kherson girl was just like, very machine like, foreplay was like a foreign concept to her. I did a bit of messing around with her which was great but while I think she enjoyed it, it would take longer for her to relearn I think, and I wasn't with her long enough. I'm not saying I'm any expert, not by a long stretch but it wasn't easy with her sometimes as she lacked idea of sensitivity over operation, operation was how she proceeded and that could be too lacking in emotional connection to turn me on well.

I still remember my first.

Men remember the first girl and the last one they shagged. Is Kherson girl your first or your
last? both?

 
Title: First or not
Post by: ML on October 14, 2023, 06:26:17 PM
I still remember my first.

Men remember the first girl and the last one they shagged. Is Kherson girl your first or your
last? both?

I cannot be sure of my first.

I thought I got a regular Missionary Style; but upon reporting this to older Navy men, they told me the Mexican gal probably held her hand down there.

Upon reflection . . . I really couldn't be sure . . . and, of course, it only took a couple of movements  to finish anyway.

However, I do remember the second event and many more with a Japanese woman.
I was so smitten that I even thought of marrying her, even as she was a 24 year old 'bar gal.'
But that can happen to 17 year olds.
Title: Advantages of older women
Post by: ML on October 14, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
you've never had an older woman "dote on you" Trench...
don't knock it if ya aint tried it

young wimmin are generally more difficult to handle then older ones, lotta immature behavior, lotta drama, etc
older wimmin will also "take care of you better"
older wimmin WANT to give ya a BJ, younger ones will generally "make a face" unless you earned it somehow...
- - - - - - -
This has been known for centuries, and was expressed explicitly by Benjamin Franklin in a letter to a young man.

In part:  Franklin lists eight reasons why an older mistress is preferable to a young one. 'Advantages include better conversation, less risk of unwanted pregnancy, greater prudence in conducting an intrigue, and they are so grateful.'

Continuing: "The Face first grows lank and wrinkled; then the Neck; then the Breast and Arms; the lower Parts continuing to the last as plump as ever: So that covering all above with a Basket, and regarding only what is below the Girdle, it is impossible of two Women to know an old from a young one. And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal Enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement."

Notes:
1. 'Old Woman' probably referred to one above age 40 or so.
2. I remember reading some time ago that feminists became enraged when they became aware of Franklin's letter.  But I cannot now find a reference to such.


- - - - -

Full letter here:

http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-03-02-0011

Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: rwd123 on October 14, 2023, 07:41:26 PM
Let me elevate this thread and improve the advice tenfolds.

There's hope for every Krimcel and Trenchcel out there, LOL.

http://youtu.be/wXUaFy5NdK4
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 15, 2023, 05:48:14 AM
by "elevate" you mean the OPPOSITE of course, with some juvenile BS

a single guy with no GF who calls a married guy with two children an incel
is a freakin DUMB ASS

if fact, I have a beautiful wife, and two adult children who are married
while you have your right hand and some lotion

i've never read a single intelligent word from you, so I assume you must be lacking in intelligence
your posts tend to reinforce that view...

so please spew your word vomit in some trash bin while you throw away the empty Foster's you chug down
ok? dingo BOY! and here YOU ARE an actual phuqueing incel with no SHEILA, and NOT A CHANCE of ever gettin one
must suck to be you...

so just go ahead and lie about me, while I tell the truth about you...


PS
when the chinese invade to get your iron ore. and ya'll go runnin to America
fuhgetabout it!!!
we ain't gonna fight the chinese over kangaroos and koalas like we did with the japanese
ain't nobody got time for that now...

so you former penal colony bitches are on yur own, use your boomarangs...


Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 18, 2023, 02:48:51 AM
Well, I seem to be getting some joy in dating relations at the moment. Though part of me at my age (mid forties) wonders whether I should just play it safe and content myself with having my own place and be grateful for that. Relationships mean change and I wonder if I might soon be getting too old for change. I guess relationships can bring a lot of joy also. I think I will take it steady in any relationship that may get going as need to feel happy with where I'm at. In that I can see why Bee Farmer isn't all full out to be in a relationship. A single life doesn't necessarily mean all bad. Though that said a distant relative off mine, a single guy apparently keeled over dead in a bar in his mid sixties due to alcoholism. Nice to have someone see how it goes I guess.
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: krimster2 on October 18, 2023, 06:55:43 AM
don't get cold feet Trench...
the fear of change is what's ALWAYS held you back...
your autistic tendencies have caused you to seek an environment that guarantees familiarity
and fear things that would alter your state of "slack"
free yourself from that just one time, and then you are FOREVER FREE!!!

you need to understand what it's like to be an "outsider" in a foreign culture
the isolation, and lack of connecting to local things
try to be a "friend"
but you need to be able to get her to be comfortable "opening up" to you
so you need to be able to get her to "talk to you"
and you do that by first opening up to her
a mutual exchange

for example, if she doesn't drive, offer to teach her...
imperative you find out "her interests"
and what UK locations would appeal to that

I know you're as horny as a "two-peckered BillyGoat" (learned that one in Texas)
but stop thinking about sex with her
start it out slowly

remember, never, under any circumstance, do or say anything "with negative energy" to a Ukrainian woman
if she gets angry and insults you, this is normal for them
be as jesus said, and turn the other cheek

you can't control their behavior, but you can control your own
Title: Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 18, 2023, 05:52:17 PM
don't get cold feet Trench...
the fear of change is what's ALWAYS held you back...
your autistic tendencies have caused you to seek an environment that guarantees familiarity
and fear things that would alter your state of "slack"
free yourself from that just one time, and then you are FOREVER FREE!!!

you need to understand what it's like to be an "outsider" in a foreign culture
the isolation, and lack of connecting to local things
try to be a "friend"
but you need to be able to get her to be comfortable "opening up" to you
so you need to be able to get her to "talk to you"
and you do that by first opening up to her
a mutual exchange

for example, if she doesn't drive, offer to teach her...
imperative you find out "her interests"
and what UK locations would appeal to that

I know you're as horny as a "two-peckered BillyGoat" (learned that one in Texas)
but stop thinking about sex with her
start it out slowly

remember, never, under any circumstance, do or say anything "with negative energy" to a Ukrainian woman
if she gets angry and insults you, this is normal for them
be as jesus said, and turn the other cheek

you can't control their behavior, but you can control your own

Thanks Krim I really appreciate it. A fair amount of that we are doing and we seem to be so similar it's uncanny. Yeah I kind of figured to put any sort of idea of sex on the back burner and no matter how hot I may find her looking avoid that at all cost in the first date as I'm after a long term relationship so I don't want to be classed in the wrong bracket. I think you're right in try to be a friend and try and be considerate as to how it feels being in not so familiar lands. I guess I kind of know how that feels from my time in Ukraine moreso the first time and being unfamiliar with the language and just about everything.

I think once we spend a bit of time together then hopefully change won't seem an issue that much. I really do thank you for your words though Krim they are good and the right way to proceed I think.

It's looking real good at the moment. I know that it doesn't necessarily guarantee anything in person but I will be patient and take it as it comes.