2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[msmob]

What if there isn't one or ever will be? Like the mask mandate of needing one to enter a store. Maybe we cannot travel unless we show proof of taking the vaccine?

Which 'vaccine'.. ?

There's probably several thousand folks who think / hope they're inoculated..  may be they've had a placebo.. 

[msmob]

Speaking of politicising COVID-19 ..

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809



Trump officials interfered with CDC reports on Covid-19
The politically appointed HHS spokesperson and his team demanded and received the right to review CDC’s scientific reports to health professionals.

But since Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign official with no medical or scientific background, was installed in April as the Health and Human Services department's new spokesperson, there have been substantial efforts to align the reports with Trump's statements, including the president's claims that fears about the outbreak are overstated, or stop the reports altogether.

Surely not ?

We've had the same interference this side of the pond 

[Gator]

NEWS FROM VACCINE DEVELOPERS

After pausing its Phase 3 trials early this week, AstraZeneca has resumed the trails for its vaccine candidate.  The trials are resumed only in the UK.  This suggests that the pharma company has determined the health risks are not significant, yet added caution is necessary.

Some observers feel this has placed Pfizer's vaccine as the front runner.  Their vaccine, BNT162b2,  is being developed with the German biotech company, BioNTech.  BNT162b2 uses a different  platform than the AstraZeneca vaccine (AZD1222) and it was the first of two companies to start Phase 3 trials along with Moderna.    Moderna uses  the same mRNA vaccine platform as does Pfizer's; however, Moderna too has temporarily slowed  Phase 3 trial volunteer enrollment to increase minority participation. 

Besides issues in gaining regulatory approval, manufacturing and distribution of doses is also an issue.  There are concerns about the distribution of Pfizer doses because it "...must be kept frozen at negative 94 degrees Fahrenheit during shipment and storage. And once it's thawed, it reportedly has to be used within 24 hours."

[Gator]

MORE VACCINE NEWS

I mentioned yesterday that Pfizer seems to be the front runner in the race to develop a vaccine. 

Yesterday, Pfizer's CEO was interviewed by the news show "Face the Nation."  He said, "we have a good chance that we will know if the product works by the end of October."

[GQBlues]

Man, I hope this isn’t true. Those guys lockdown so hard they’re singing canaries. This cannot be! Are they becoming selfish, too?

[Boethius]

Just simply not true BC. You've either had the virus or eventually you'll get it. No mask, gloves or government lock down is going to prevent that. Your government no matter where it is at can protect you from contracting the virus. The virus doesn't follow government protocols, distancing or anything else. There has pretty much been mandated lock downs world wide it has essentially achieved exactly dick

That's untrue.  Look at Canada's rate of infection vs that of the US, despite the fact Canada has a slightly higher median age.  Canada also has a slightly higher level of urbanization, but likely, less population density than large American cities.  The difference in infection rates (20,423/1 million vs 3,664/1 million) is probably down to social distancing protocols and shutting down offices and schools in cities from mid March to June.  The reason this was done was to not overwhelm our healthcare system.

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[jone]

As soon as it is proved out, it will be patented in China - by the Chinese Govmt, who sill demonstrate that it is really their vaccine.

[Gator]

As soon as it is proved out, it will be patented in China - by the Chinese Govmt, who sill demonstrate that it is really their vaccine.

Keep going..... China offers 300 million doses  to us for half the price if we had to produce it....and we buy them. 

[Faux Pas]

That's untrue.  Look at Canada's rate of infection vs that of the US, despite the fact Canada has a slightly higher median age.  Canada also has a slightly higher level of urbanization, but likely, less population density than large American cities.  The difference in infection rates (20,423/1 million vs 3,664/1 million) is probably down to social distancing protocols and shutting down offices and schools in cities from mid March to June.  The reason this was done was to not overwhelm our healthcare system.

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Pure conjecture.

The lock downs were supposedly to slow the spread and not overwhelm the healthcare systems here, too. Well the healthcare system was not overwhelmed and the virus still spreads today pretty much unabated. Again, masks are no protection, the government can not protect you and it's mandates will not protect you. The world has gone ape shit crazy on numerous levels one of the most serious levels is projecting and selling voodoo as science.

Canada isn't the USA. The spread of the virus and the differences of the two countries pertaining to the virus is like apple to oranges.

[msmob]

Pure conjecture.

The lock downs were supposedly to slow the spread and not overwhelm the healthcare systems here, too. Well the healthcare system was not overwhelmed and the virus still spreads today pretty much unabated. Again, masks are no protection, the government can not protect you and it's mandates will not protect you. The world has gone ape shit crazy on numerous levels one of the most serious levels is projecting and selling voodoo as science.

Canada isn't the USA. The spread of the virus and the differences of the two countries pertaining to the virus is like apple to oranges.

'Pure conjecture' but based on sound reasoning ..

New York was overwhelmed for a time.

The world hasn't gone 'shit crazy' ..just the folks who demand their personal freedom over common sense

 

[Faux Pas]

'Pure conjecture' but based on sound reasoning ..

New York was overwhelmed for a time.

The world hasn't gone 'shit crazy' ..just the folks who demand their personal freedom over common sense

1 - No it isn't. That reasoning is as sound as voodoo

2 - Wrong again.

3 - I can see where a man of your "stature" would believe this world is as normal as ever. Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither

[Boethius]

Pure conjecture.

The lock downs were supposedly to slow the spread and not overwhelm the healthcare systems here, too. Well the healthcare system was not overwhelmed and the virus still spreads today pretty much unabated. Again, masks are no protection, the government can not protect you and it's mandates will not protect you. The world has gone ape shit crazy on numerous levels one of the most serious levels is projecting and selling voodoo as science.

Canada isn't the USA. The spread of the virus and the differences of the two countries pertaining to the virus is like apple to oranges.

The spread isn't pretty much unabated.  In countries where there were lockdowns or measures to slow down the spread, that is exactly what happened. 

No, it isn't apples and oranges, unless you look at one country taking early measures to contain transmission, and another that didn't.  Or, unless people catch the virus differently, depending on the country in which they live.

How, exactly, are you giving up freedom by wearing a mask in pubic? Or working from home for a period, when the virus was at its peak?

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[BillyB]

Russia's excess deaths outstrip the Covid toll by 3 to 1.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-excess-deaths-over-summer-142518552.html

Here's a chart for America's death per week for the last three years. If it's over the yellow line, it's excess deaths.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard

Years from now when historians calculate the World's death toll from COVID, they will not trust the numbers nations report. They will use the amount of excess deaths over expected deaths if Covid never existed.

[Gator]

ANTIBODY THERAPEUTIC MEDICINE NEWS

The University of Pittsburgh has "...isolated the smallest biological molecule to date that completely and specifically neutralizes the SARS-CoV-2 virus."   It is 1/10th the size of antibodies found in convalescent plasma from recovering infections. 

It is not a vaccine because it is not an antigen that stimulates the human body to produce antibodies.   Instead it is a therapeutic that attacks the virus directly in infected patients. 

The tests were performed on mice and hamsters, and have not yet been tried in humans.  However, in vitro tests show it does not bind to human cells, suggesting it will be safe for use. 

It can be manufactured commercially, and then administered by various methods including inhalation.  It will also function as a prophylactic

Another reason why COVID is "toast."

http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31148-X

[BillyB]

Democratic led States California and Oregon have lifted virus related restrictions that will allow Pac-12 conference to play college football. Please don't blame Trump for not taking the virus seriously.

http://www.si.com/college/usc/football/california-oregon-lift-restrictions-to-pave-way-for-pac-12-season

[Boethius]

A peer reviewed study from Cambridge University concludes COVID is not man made, and that it has not been mutating.


http://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-c-genome-analysis.pdf?la=en-GB&hash=CF1883F618E851FF269487B02AB19CF8

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[msmob]

Hi Boethius!

Your summary shocked me...

I firmly believed there have been mutations...


So I read your link...

"Genome change in SARS-CoV-2 is slow compared to most
RNA viruses but, nonetheless, mutations arise that can be
used to trace virus spread and evolution."

Did I miss something? )

[Boethius]

The mutations are normal, not rapid (as claimed previously), and therefore, from what I've read, a vaccine would be effective and would work even on the mutations.


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[Confederate]

Patriots For Truth

CV19 was a pre-planned bioweapon.

(Warning, this article is the opposite of "conventional wisdom")

http://patriots4truth.org/2020/01/28/corona-virus-is-a-globalist-bioweapon/

[BillyB]

A peer reviewed study from Cambridge University concludes COVID is not man made, and that it has not been mutating.


http://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-c-genome-analysis.pdf?la=en-GB&hash=CF1883F618E851FF269487B02AB19CF8

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A lot of their references to studies come from China. If any animal on earth carried the virus in our bodies, we would've searched and destroyed them so we don't have a repeat in the future. It's too expensive to allow this to happen again. Responsible governments would hunt for those animals down but they don't because those animals don't exist.

The virus is not artificially man made as the report states but evolution of the virus has been sped up. For example, it would be extremely rare for an infected bat to bite a deer and that deer gets successfully infected and then a human undercooks the meat and gets infected by a coronavirus that mutated in the deer enough to be able to attached itself to human cells. Why wait for extremely rare events? We can speed up evolution by putting that bat coronavirus in 1000 petri dishes with deer cells everyday increasing the chance of mutation within one of those petri dishes and when we have a successful mutation, we can put that mutated coronavirus in 1000 petri dishes with human cells everyday until we find a coronavirus that has learned to attach itself to human cells. Then we can take that coronavirus and grow even more. We can study it to see if it can be used as a biological weapon. Every major nation is doing or done these things in their quest for biological weapons.

[GQBlues]

Democratic led States California and Oregon have lifted virus related restrictions that will allow Pac-12 conference to play college football. Please don't blame Trump for not taking the virus seriously.

http://www.si.com/college/usc/football/california-oregon-lift-restrictions-to-pave-way-for-pac-12-season

Biliions in revenue will be lost to the NCAA if they continue this silliness. They know by now that come day after the election, all these silly mind games will immediately fade to black.

[Boethius]

A lot of their references to studies come from China.

Wrong.  Many of the authors referenced have Chinese surnames, but the studies are multi jurisdictional.


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[Faux Pas]

A peer reviewed study from Cambridge University concludes COVID is not man made, and that it has not been mutating.


http://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-c-genome-analysis.pdf?la=en-GB&hash=CF1883F618E851FF269487B02AB19CF8

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Some have other ideas. Some of them closer to the situation

http://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1579612.html

[BillyB]

Wrong.  Many of the authors referenced have Chinese surnames, but the studies are multi jurisdictional.


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Google is the modern day encyclopedia. You should use it more often. In your link, I picked a Chinese name in Reference #51 which leads me to the website below. Multinational people worked on the project but it wasn't peer reviewed but the people in your link decided to use their study anyway as if it is valid.

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.12.148726v1.full.pdf+html

In the above link I clicked on PDF to get more detail info and picked a Chinese name at Reference #3 and it led me to the site below.

http://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2179-y

Check out all the References there that lead to 100% Chinese studies. The Chinese government controls which data gets released. Nature magazine was the first to release Chinese propaganda that says the virus wasn't made in a lab. We've discussed this in detail on the forum months ago. I suspect more of the references in your link talking about the origin of the virus will lead to Nature magazine and their references to Chinese studies which are basically propaganda, propaganda apparently still used today.

[Boethius]

Some have other ideas. Some of them closer to the situation

http://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1579612.html

Many scientists disagree.

http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-new-study-give-evidence-that-coronavirus-was-made-lab-1532068

Google is the modern day encyclopedia. You should use it more often. In your link, I picked a Chinese name in Reference #51 which leads me to the website below. Multinational people worked on the project but it wasn't peer reviewed but the people in your link decided to use their study anyway as if it is valid.

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.12.148726v1.full.pdf+html

Every author in the first link works out of the Scripps institute in Florida.  Every author in the second link works at the University of Minnesota.

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