Careers for RW

[PeeWee]

I found this on the AOL.com front page yesterday. I recalled the various discussions that we have had about skill transfering, degree transfering, and even some discussion about career choices of the lowlifes in our society.

I noticed that those folks who hold the jobs that relate to either caring for us or protecting us are those held in the highest esteem. While those that work in money or business, plus acting, hold the lowest esteem. I now wonder how this poll would show in the FSU. I suspect that Mel Gibson did not do a whole lot the the reputation of his fellow actors these past few days.

"Americans viewed firefighters and doctors as having the most prestigious
professions, according to a recent Harris Interactive poll.

When read a list of different occupations, 63% of respondents to the
telephone poll said they feel firefighters have "very great" prestige, while
58% said doctors do. Other professions that were seen as having very great
prestige included: nurses (55%), scientists (54%), teachers (52%) and
military officers (51%).


The occupations seen by the fewest people as having very great prestige
were: real-estate brokers (6%), stockbrokers (11%), business executives
(11%), actors (12%), union leaders (12%) and journalists (12%)."

Anyway...not a great topic for discussion but I found the statistics interesting and I thought that I would share the information.

Peewee

[beattledog]

Many job skills from many occupations from another country are not transferable to this country due to the edcuational level of that country


beattledog

[PeeWee]

Many job skills from many occupations from another country are not transferable to this country due to the edcuational level of that country


beattledog

That's what we determined.

Peewee

[JustPlaneCrazy]

What I found in Russia that differs from America...

Russian's would rather make less $$ for a more prestige job whereas most American's would rather skip the prestige for more $$.

[PeeWee]

What I found in Russia that differs from America...

Russian's would rather make less $$ for a more prestige job whereas most American's would rather skip the prestige for more $$.

Americans are nuts. It is all about the money. I had read and heard that we Americans take less vacation time, or work more hours, than any other society, including the Japanese, who seem to be fanatics about working.

Peewee

[Jet]

Many job skills from many occupations from another country are not transferable to this country due to the edcuational level of that country


beattledog

Beattledog,
This comment, on the surface has that "Captain Obvious" quality about it, but when discussing the countries most relevant to this message board (FormerSovietUnion), you've got to be kidding! Education in Soviet and Post Soviet times was/is regarded much more highly than here in the States. Ask anyone with kids who were educated there and then relocated to our school system to continue their education here . Bottom line when looking at tranferable skills is to look at areas of study which remain constant and are not influenced by country or culture. It is not easier to become an attorney in Russia, but the field of study is based on a completely different set of laws, therefore it's not easily transferrable. Most of Peewee's "high prestige" jobs are easily transferrable though...

[Turboguy]

I agree with Jet,  Hanging around RW makes you realize how pathetic our schools are.  Transferable skills.  Let's see, one girl I write is a taxi driver.  A taxi driver in Russia should transfer easily to NASCAR driver here in the USA. 

[Oiler]

Walmart, MacDonald's etc. I know a lot of highly qualified RW who can't find good jobs and have to settle for lower paying ones or working their way up at first. The main problem is English, but the other is their qualifications or professions are not recognized in the West.

[Zhena]

Of course,a FSU diploma should be evaluated in usa-and not everybody choose that difficult way. Not because we r less educated-no-but we have some differences in the educational programm,which have to be got over. And yes,we need to have an excellent english. Which is not too used in FSU. All together makes most of people giving up on their education and doing some low-level job.

[Manny]

What I found in Russia that differs from America...

Russian's would rather make less $$ for a more prestige job whereas most American's would rather skip the prestige for more $$.

Same with England - show us the money, forget the title! 

[bobcat]

Who cares about prestige in jobs? Only narrow minded arse-holes. My RW fiance does not give a shit about the prestige, if there is any, about her pharmacist and psychology degrees that she attained while raising a child and avoiding her a-hole husbands' immaturity. Now she is happy flogging expensive German and Italian furniture in Siberia, gaining commisions in the vicinity of Euro 1000 each month and considering only family and future with money earnt.

[catzenmouse]

I agree with Jet,  Hanging around RW makes you realize how pathetic our schools are.  Transferable skills.  Let's see, one girl I write is a taxi driver.  A taxi driver in Russia should transfer easily to NASCAR driver here in the USA.

To really place a FSU driver here we need a sport that is a combination of NASCAR, Demolition Derby, and Dodge Ball! 

[PeeWee]

To really place a FSU driver here we need a sport that is a combination of NASCAR, Demolition Derby, and Dodge Ball! 

What was the movie recently about the Dodge Ball competition? I enjoyed it anyway.

Peewee

[Son of Clyde]

My wife drove all the way to North Carolina with only our son as navigator.
She arrived at her destination and at home safe and sound.
She drives much faster than me so NASCAR may be an option. 

[jb]

Clyde,

Don't you know that cars only have two speeds?  *On and Off*.

[beattledog]

Give me the money, forget the fancy titles or degrees.

beattledog

[PeeWee]

Beattledog,
This comment, on the surface has that "Captain Obvious" quality about it, but when discussing the countries most relevant to this message board (FormerSovietUnion), you've got to be kidding! Education in Soviet and Post Soviet times was/is regarded much more highly than here in the States. Ask anyone with kids who were educated there and then relocated to our school system to continue their education here . Bottom line when looking at tranferable skills is to look at areas of study which remain constant and are not influenced by country or culture. It is not easier to become an attorney in Russia, but the field of study is based on a completely different set of laws, therefore it's not easily transferrable. Most of Peewee's "high prestige" jobs are easily transferrable though...

Those were AOL's jobs. Lena, a doctor, told me that one of the differences, and something she cannot understand, is that while Russian doctors are taught Latin American doctors are not. Russian doctors receive more general practice training, she believes, than American doctors do, even if the Russian choose to specialize. She was an eye surgeon but now is not yet while we visited Cairo my friend Aymen took ill. A complication with his throat yet she, as an eye specialist, was able to treat him because she had the general practice skills. I do not know if an American doctor, other than a throat specialist or general practice, could do that or not so I won't claim now that Russian doctors are any better or worse.

I believe that the bulk of these ladies are bright enough and motivated enough to work or achieve whatever it is they set their mind to, anywhere in the world they choose to live.

Peevee 

[beattledog]

Yes. there are huge differnces in the way in which the medical profession is trained in different parts of the world.   This country has changed. 

BEATTledog

[RESQU]

I was just talking about careers with my GF last night on the phone.  She was concerned about her business degrees transferring.  I told her not to worry because she is practically fluent in English already, thats the biggest part IMO.  I have a friend here who has a GED and a stay at home mom for 15 years.  She went through a temp. agency and was hired full time because she is a good worker and smart lady.  The lack of schooling meant nothing.  Now only 1 1/2 years later she is earning almost the same as me and has better benefits.

As a side note to the prestige of a job.  I am a Fireman/Paramedic.  We don't care about the prestige of the job, at least those of us who entered the profession before 9/11.  The younger guys are all about it.  What has hurt the Firefighters most is that there is a mile long list of people wanting our job(due to perceived prestige,) so supply and demand kicks in and the pay is low and the benefits are constantly under attack.  As opposed to Nursing, where there is a shortage... the starting pay is much higher and the Education requirements lower.  Most people I work with do the job because it is what we are good at and we love it.  Incidentally I was previously a Financial Planner, so money isn't everything to all Americans, but a little extra wouldn't hurt. 

[dostogirl]

It is all about the money.

Someone important once said:
"When I was young, I used to think that money was the most important thing is life. Now that I am older, I know it is". 

[dostogirl]

Who cares about prestige in jobs? Only narrow minded arse-holes.

a lot of RW do. Not a lot of people, esp. those who achieved some kind of professional recognition in Russia would settle for a job as a cashier in Walmart. Others simply think they have MA degrees, they should not be working as secretaries or cashiers. They do not understand that here in most cases one has to start everything from ground zero.

[Manny]

In soviet times, ones title/postion carried weight. Most people were of similar means so instead of cash to identify ones success, one had education and job - some of that thinking still exists today - am I right Dosto?

[dostogirl]

In soviet times, ones title/postion carried weight. Most people were of similar means so instead of cash to identify ones success, one had education and job - some of that thinking still exists today - am I right Dosto?

In soviet times salary increases were not that significant (there was nothing to buy with the money anyway ). So when one got a promotion it was about one's title/position rather than monetary satisfaction. In modern Russia the views on that are shifting. Money is getting more important, but still the majority would prefer a nice-sounding position rather than a nice salary. Besides, you can't tell people how much you make, but they can judge your authority by your title. 

[Turboguy]

As far as a business degree transferring I think that would not be as much of a problem as it would be with a doctor, nurse, teacher or anything where state certification is required.  Most employers just look at it as a line item on a resume.  They have a requirement and if her education matches their needs it will usually go no further.  Some corporations may want transcripts or the like but that should not be a big deal, particularly since the person looking at them probably won't understand a word of it.

[catzenmouse]

TG,

 In many cases this would probably work well. But with all the changes she will be facing already and rather than putting her in a situation where she could be stressed and embarrassed by them asking for something like transcripts and her not having them in English (or your countries native language) it would probably be better to get her degree(s) evaluated and transcribed ahead of time. She would also know up front what kind of further education she will need to get to the point of being accepted in the system of the country she lives in.

 The more obstacles we can cut off ahead of time the better it will be for her transition. We've got plenty of things that will make us crazy (like USCIS and anti-immigrant attitudes) already.

FWIW,
 Ken