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Title: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Gator on April 07, 2019, 06:57:59 AM
A friend of one of my best Tampa friends is interested in FSUW.  He plans to take his first trip this summer.

He is a levelheaded, successful businessman and willing to marry the right woman, with or without children.  He is in his early 60s and prefers a woman in her early 40s.   He has been looking at women listed with a PPL site, and has not yet paid for anything nor contacted any woman. He is a WNVN.   :D

So we talked about the pros and cons of dating FSUW, and the process of finding a good one.  Of course I recommended RWD.  It took a long time just to cover simple matters, and we did not discuss issues such as WOVO vs. WMVM. 

I advised him to avoid the PPL sites.  Yes, the "flesh" photos had caught his eye, and I told him sophisticated FSUW do not show such photos on the Internet.   When starting in 2002, I met many fine, serious  women through Elena's Models.  I suggested he study it, and I would confirm if it is still reputable.    Is it?  If not, what are the  reputable dating sites today?

He may want to consider free sites.   I met my wife at FreePersonals; however, I had FSUW dating experience and I believe he needs the same before searching women listed with them. 

The man is serious, and I would like to point him in the right direction.  I appreciate any advice.

 
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Patagonie on April 07, 2019, 07:37:12 AM
Gator Hi
I would propose him to call me on skype. And gonna to drop you a PMI will aim probably Dnipro in the next months for dental work.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Grumpy on April 07, 2019, 07:40:52 AM
 I assume the friend is NOT living in a basement and has more than enough jingle in his pockets for such adventures.
He might want to consider a Dream Connections tour. It would give him some on the ground experience in Ukraine. Mark also has many informational and coaching videos on his website.
http://www.dreamconnections.com/

Warning: Mark Davis is a super salesman. ;D
Yes I am aware this is not the cheapest option, but does a guy in 60s want to spend a decade on wovo and maybe never find Miss Right?
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Davo on April 07, 2019, 08:22:39 AM
I used two....both as good as each other.

*fdating.... free

*dmnotify.... monthly subscription (like local dating sites)

I met the woman I’ve just spent 2 weeks with on fdating (not one red flag or inconsistently in her personality)

There are a lot of wonderful 40+ year old women on there, so If I was him, I’d start his search there.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 07, 2019, 08:25:23 AM
I'm sure BillyB will soon pop up and recommend mamba.ru and tell us it is the most popular dating site - when it is 220th place re Website traffic in russia and nearly 3000th in the world ;)

Seriously, I'm staying out of THIS one as my experience is over half a decade old.. 


Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 07, 2019, 08:25:59 AM
tell your friend this:

1. go on travelocity buy a ticket to kyiv
2. go on airbnb and rent an apartment in kyiv
3. learn a little russian

that's all you need
seriously

when I was 40 yr old I could go to Shevchneko Park next to the University
and "get picked up" by a 19 yr old college student within an hour
that's right, THEY APPROACHED ME!!!!
all I did was leave a trail of bread crumbs for them to follow

all of you guys going to agencies
are like mice looking at the cheese on the mouse trap
mmm cheese... you're thinking....
however, what you don't realize
is the person who left the mouse trap is the one doing the thinking
AND NOT YOU!!!
SNAP!!!

gosh, just think maybe 2 yrs from now, most of Kyiv will be without gas
and electric power will be cutoff several times per day
the UAH will be trading at over 100 to the dollar because of the collapse of the NBU and rejection by the IMF for a bailout

the south and east parts of Kyiv will have thousands of cold, dark apartments filled with fearful, anxious young women, thousands...

downtown will still have plenty of light however
rent a penthouse suite at the Dnpro hotel (independent power and water, banya, room service,face control, oligarch owned) your first day, find the head doorman and slip him a hundred

this’ll get ya started...
don't be a mouse with a broken neck...


Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Grumpy on April 07, 2019, 08:37:26 AM
I'm sure BillyB will soon pop up and recommend mamba.ru and tell us it is the most popular dating site - when it is 220th place re Website traffic in russia and nearly 3000th in the world ;)

Seriously, I'm staying out of THIS one as my experience is over half a decade old..
http://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/people-and-society/relationships-and-dating
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 07, 2019, 09:00:19 AM
Dear Grumpy

I prefer sites that analyse web site traffic algorithms that produce more accurate and detailed results .

 http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mamba.ru (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mamba.ru)

Mamba 221st in Russia , 2909 in the world ..


Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: LAman on April 07, 2019, 09:24:18 AM
tell your friend this:

1. go on travelocity buy a ticket to kyiv
2. go on airbnb and rent an apartment in kyiv
3. learn a little russian

that's all you need
seriously

when I was 40 yr old I could go to Shevchneko Park next to the University
and "get picked up" by a 19 yr old college student within an hour
that's right, THEY APPROACHED ME!!!!
all I did was leave a trail of bread crumbs for them to follow

all of you guys going to agencies
are like mice looking at the cheese on the mouse trap
mmm cheese... you're thinking....
however, what you don't realize
is the person who left the mouse trap is the one doing the thinking
AND NOT YOU!!!
SNAP!!!

gosh, just think maybe 2 yrs from now, most of Kyiv will be without gas
and electric power will be cutoff several times per day
the UAH will be trading at over 100 to the dollar because of the collapse of the NBU and rejection by the IMF for a bailout

the south and east parts of Kyiv will have thousands of cold, dark apartments filled with fearful, anxious young women, thousands...

downtown will still have plenty of light however
rent a penthouse suite at the Dnpro hotel (independent power and water, banya, room service,face control, oligarch owned) your first day, find the head doorman and slip him a hundred

this’ll get ya started...
don't be a mouse with a broken neck...

You know, if you would only have longer arms...…..you would make out with yourself!! ))))
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 07, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
tell your friend this:

1. go on travelocity buy a ticket to kyiv
2. go on airbnb and rent an apartment in kyiv
3. learn a little russian

that's all you need
seriously

when I was 40 yr old I could go to Shevchneko Park next to the University
and "get picked up" by a 19 yr old college student within an hour
that's right, THEY APPROACHED ME!!!!
all I did was leave a trail of bread crumbs for them to follow

all of you guys going to agencies
are like mice looking at the cheese on the mouse trap
mmm cheese... you're thinking....
however, what you don't realize
is the person who left the mouse trap is the one doing the thinking
AND NOT YOU!!!
SNAP!!!

gosh, just think maybe 2 yrs from now, most of Kyiv will be without gas
and electric power will be cutoff several times per day
the UAH will be trading at over 100 to the dollar because of the collapse of the NBU and rejection by the IMF for a bailout

the south and east parts of Kyiv will have thousands of cold, dark apartments filled with fearful, anxious young women, thousands...

downtown will still have plenty of light however
rent a penthouse suite at the Dnpro hotel (independent power and water, banya, room service,face control, oligarch owned) your first day, find the head doorman and slip him a hundred

this’ll get ya started...

Plenty of fearful, anxious young women to give a comforting shoulder to and keep warm in bed hey Krim ;D

I think your right with the dating sites Krim, even the pay monthly and free ones you've got to sive pretty hard to avoid the insincere girls and I'm not talking all out scammers here, girls with other motives/time wasters too.

Problem with your method though Krim I would be skeptical if it would work for everyone. If your say a 7-10 looks guy in relatively decent shape/athletic yeah the girls I imagine would show interest. If you're an average looking guy or less then I would wonder if it would work. If adding to that the guy is a bit out of shape etc then who knows. I'm guessing that you're a pretty decent looking guy Krim even if you don't think that yourself. It's an idea I've been toying with but being a fairly everyday looking guy I'm not sure if it would work out.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 07, 2019, 09:32:33 AM
I assume the friend is NOT living in a basement and has more than enough jingle in his pockets for such adventures.
He might want to consider a Dream Connections tour. It would give him some on the ground experience in Ukraine. Mark also has many informational and coaching videos on his website.
http://www.dreamconnections.com/

Warning: Mark Davis is a super salesman. ;D
Yes I am aware this is not the cheapest option, but does a guy in 60s want to spend a decade on wovo and maybe never find Miss Right?

I've seen that stuff but to me it looks like a few women have been brought in as (paid) hostesses for the evening, I don't mean prostitutes either. I mean there just told all you got to do is sit down and talk to these guys in a polite, friendly manner to which they receive a payment for the night. So long as the guy feels chuffed that nice looking young women will actually give him the time of day and goes away feeling good that is all they need do. I doubt if any have any serious intention of getting with the guys, some maybe many might already be in a relationship/married. A random relationship may occur with a rich dude but I get the impression it's all a staged set up.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: LAman on April 07, 2019, 09:34:41 AM
A friend of one of my best Tampa friends is interested in FSUW.  He plans to take his first trip this summer.

He is a levelheaded, successful businessman and willing to marry the right woman, with or without children.  He is in his early 60s and prefers a woman in her early 40s.   He has been looking at women listed with a PPL site, and has not yet paid for anything nor contacted any woman. He is a WNVN.   :D

So we talked about the pros and cons of dating FSUW, and the process of finding a good one.  Of course I recommended RWD.  It took a long time just to cover simple matters, and we did not discuss issues such as WOVO vs. WMVM. 

I advised him to avoid the PPL sites.  Yes, the "flesh" photos had caught his eye, and I told him sophisticated FSUW do not show such photos on the Internet.   When starting in 2002, I met many fine, serious  women through Elena's Models.  I suggested he study it, and I would confirm if it is still reputable.    Is it?  If not, what are the  reputable dating sites today?

He may want to consider free sites.   I met my wife at FreePersonals; however, I had FSUW dating experience and I believe he needs the same before searching women listed with them. 

The man is serious, and I would like to point him in the right direction.  I appreciate any advice.


There is no such thing as 'best dating sites'. There is only individuals who use their best discretion to be realistic in their expectations. Some have 'L' on their forehead, some are unrealistic , some sex tourists, some are lucky, some never find what they look for, who knows what the future will bring.


Nothing better than experiences. Gator, let your friend dabble in his PPL's, if not for some fantasizing, he will soon find out which direction to lead. If he has time, dabble in many sites, even free ones. I always though you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 07, 2019, 09:40:56 AM

Gator, let your friend dabble in his PPL's, if not for some fantasizing, he will soon find out which direction to lead. If he has time, dabble in many sites, even free ones. I always though you get what you pay for.


So, why didn't you buy all your UA lady fwends flowers on March 8th ? ...


Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: ML on April 07, 2019, 09:46:51 AM
I have never done a tour, but such may actually be a good choice for some.

For instance, I had been to FSU several times for business, so didn't need to 'get my feet wet' with regard to just being in FSU.  Thus I felt confident I could just go straight to the dating websites, contact a thousand gals, whittle the list down and set up meetings.

Now, contrast that guy in his 60s who has never been to FSU or maybe not traveled much of anywhere outside USA.  And has not interacted at all with FSU folks, women or men.

I can see that a tour might be a good way to get started; although it may not be the best way to actually find a permanent gal.

So if the guy could just go on tour to learn the layout of the country and the people AND NOT HAVE HIS HEART SET on finding a gal . . . it might not be a totally wrong idea.

Otherwise the site here,  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0  gives the best run-down on all the dating sites.  But you have to read through the entire posting to list the names and get latest scoop.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: LAman on April 07, 2019, 10:06:18 AM

So, why didn't you buy all your UA lady fwends flowers on March 8th ? ...

They are FRIENDS.... do you get your lady friends flowers on March 8th??? If not, why would I??
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 07, 2019, 10:09:23 AM
"Problem with your method though Krim I would be skeptical if it would work for everyone. If your say a 7-10 looks guy in relatively decent shape/athletic yeah the girls I imagine would show interest. If you're an average looking guy or less then I would wonder if it would work. If adding to that the guy is a bit out of shape etc then who knows."

no..no..
for a Russian woman
being a Westerner beats being Brad Pitt, you have way more status and you might actually be "INTERESTING"
you leverage what ever else you have
for me it was money
if you don't have any money Trench, then you better find SOMETHING that you're good at
another thing I was good at was PAINTING
took brushes/easel to the park or market, wimmin "all over me" checking out my painting and then me...
I could get laid every day in Ukraine this way even now, the hard part would be figuring out which one to choose so as not to feel remorse later..
I hate having that, "damn it I knew I shoulda picked the redhead" feeling in the mornin', it throws off the whole day

 (and I'm not BSing you in the least bit)

timing is also important
spring - when the weather has the first warm weekend, the wimmin are freakin "manic" because of the change in weather
feed them deep dish sicilian pizza, some wine
hand them an alpaca blanket to cuddle up with on the couch
and 10 minutes later all their clothes are off...
it became a routine occurrence
god, I loved it, the feeling you get
when it's just staring you in the face...
and you can just look at it and marvel at its simple beauty
this is the kind of cheese this mouse prefers




Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: ML on April 07, 2019, 10:29:23 AM
I loved it, the feeling you get when it's just staring you in the face...

Man got STD in his eyes.
He was, "Looking for love in all the wrong places."

Johnny Lee      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAyDmJvjxbg
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BillyB on April 07, 2019, 10:36:55 AM
 Google Play says Mamba has 40 million registered users and 100,000 people online. If Moby couldn't get a date there with that many people online, Moby, not Mamba, is the problem.

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.mamba.client&hl=en_US

Gator, people here went over the numbers with Moby many times. He's hopeless. I'm sure your math is better. Look at Grumpy's link for the highest traffic dating sites in the world. Love.mail.ru and Mamba.ru are the only two FSU based dating sites in the top 10 ranked #4 and #9 in the world. That makes Love.mail.ru the number #1 used dating site in Russia. I used Singles.ru and found my wife on Love.mail.ru. How can that happen? That's because they are owned by Mamba which has many sister sites under various names and if you combine them all, Mamba is over twice as big than what it's own rankings are indicating. Mamba also has the #2 dating app in Russia.

Mamba is free to use and there are more benefits for a small fee. Mamba can be used in English. Mamba is geared for local, not international dating. I've dated more FSU women in America than I did overseas. Although most women are looking for local boys, there are a few women who would be interested in a long distance relationship. I found my Ukrainian wife there when she was living in Libya. Before meeting her, I used the site while in the FSU. It's easy to get dates same day when communicating with ladies. It would be a great place a guy could use as a backup plan if #1 doesn't work out. Many FSU women would be interested in dating a guy from out of town at least once in their lives.

Moby once said there are lots of prostitutes at Mamba. There are also sincere women and women or who just want to have a good time, nothing serioius. There's something for everybody there and there's everything for somebody. If a guy can't get a date there, he probably can't get a date anywhere.

I've communicated with lots of FSU women from Florida through Mamba. Almost decided to go visit one. Many of the FSU women in Florida are living there, visiting, or on a work visa helping with the tourist industry needs. Tell your friend to date locally as much as he can to get experience with FSU women but also write women overseas to increase his chances on finding the right girl.





Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 07, 2019, 10:59:29 AM
Google Play says Mamba has 40 million registered users and 100,000 people online. If Moby couldn't get a date there with that many people online, Moby, not Mamba, is the problem.



Moby knows a sight more Russian and Russians than you and goes there .. It ( mamba)  is NOT a place to recommend anymore - unless you are a sex tourist


Gator, people here went over the numbers with Moby many times.

..and the guy working in IT and comms knows a deal better than you ..

He's hopeless. I'm sure your math is better. Look at Grumpy's link for the highest traffic dating sites in the world. Love.mail.ru and Mamba.ru are the only two FSU based dating sites in the top 10 ranked #4 and #9 in the world. That makes Love.mail.ru the number #1 used dating site in Russia. I used Singles.ru and found my wife on Love.mail.ru. How can that happen? That's because they are owned by Mamba which has many sister sites under various names and if you combine them all, Mamba is over twice as big than what it's own rankings are indicating. Mamba also has the #2 dating app in Russia.

BillyB


I have corrected your ignorance, before

Mamba is part of the mail.ru group ..  and MY link  - from a firm used by advertisers  - to judge their 'success'  is the one most used .. despite some fake news from competitors


Mamba is free to use and there are more benefits for a small fee. Mamba can be used in English. Mamba is geared for local, not international dating. I've dated more FSU women in America than I did overseas. Although most women are looking for local boys, there are a few women who would be interested in a long distance relationship. I found my Ukrainian wife there when she was living in Libya. Before meeting her, I used the site while in the FSU. It's easy to get dates same day when communicating with ladies. It would be a great place a guy could use as a backup plan if #1 doesn't work out. Many FSU women would be interested in dating a guy from out of town at least once in their lives.

Once again, BillyB's 'experience' is c. a decade old and completely out of date


Moby once said there are lots of prostitutes at Mamba. There are also sincere women and women or who just want to have a good time, nothing serioius. There's something for everybody there and there's everything for somebody. If a guy can't get a date there, he probably can't get a date anywhere.


There ARE many ladies advertising their services on mamba   ( Present tense )

I've communicated with lots of FSU women from Florida through Mamba. Almost decided to go visit one. Many of the FSU women in Florida are living there, visiting, or on a work visa helping with the tourist industry needs. Tell your friend to date locally as much as he can to get experience with FSU women but also write women overseas to increase his chances on finding the right girl.


Tell your friend to ignore most ANYTHING BillyB says .. as it is mostly outdated nonsense from a guy who hasn't BEEN to Russia / Ukraine in an eon .. and is CLUELESS about the dating scene there..


BillyB thinks you should call a woman on the phone - in the age of video chat ))



Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: SteveInBoston on April 07, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
There are a few here who have had success (in terms of finding someone to meet, not necessarily that they were "the one") with fdating.

I was successful with dmnotify - I purchased a 3 month subscription last year (Feb 2018) for around $100.  I met T there in the first week. But I was very lucky - right woman at the right time.

I have looked at Dreamconnection but after seeing some videos it looked very sketchy - women attending the socials for free food and drinks and a chance for a prize if they stay to the end.  Likely chance to meet a pro dater and get to go on a whirlwind night of shopping.

A viable option is for your friend, after connecting with a few ladies for whichever dating site, to hire an independent interpreter/guide.
 
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Grumpy on April 07, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
I've seen that stuff but to me it looks like a few women have been brought in as (paid) hostesses for the evening, I don't mean prostitutes either. I mean there just told all you got to do is sit down and talk to these guys in a polite, friendly manner to which they receive a payment for the night. So long as the guy feels chuffed that nice looking young women will actually give him the time of day and goes away feeling good that is all they need do. I doubt if any have any serious intention of getting with the guys, some maybe many might already be in a relationship/married. A random relationship may occur with a rich dude but I get the impression it's all a staged set up.

I suspect you are confusing Dream Connections with some other tour, possibly AFA.
I should point out that some people have had success on AFA tours. I know one who has been happily married for 10+ years and still counting.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 07, 2019, 12:16:06 PM
"Problem with your method though Krim I would be skeptical if it would work for everyone. If your say a 7-10 looks guy in relatively decent shape/athletic yeah the girls I imagine would show interest. If you're an average looking guy or less then I would wonder if it would work. If adding to that the guy is a bit out of shape etc then who knows."

no..no..
for a Russian woman
being a Westerner beats being Brad Pitt, you have way more status and you might actually be "INTERESTING"
you leverage what ever else you have
for me it was money
if you don't have any money Trench, then you better find SOMETHING that you're good at
another thing I was good at was PAINTING
took brushes/easel to the park or market, wimmin "all over me" checking out my painting and then me...
I could get laid every day in Ukraine this way even now, the hard part would be figuring out which one to choose so as not to feel remorse later..
I hate having that, "damn it I knew I shoulda picked the redhead" feeling in the mornin', it throws off the whole day

 (and I'm not BSing you in the least bit)

timing is also important
spring - when the weather has the first warm weekend, the wimmin are freakin "manic" because of the change in weather
feed them deep dish sicilian pizza, some wine
hand them an alpaca blanket to cuddle up with on the couch
and 10 minutes later all their clothes are off...
it became a routine occurrence
god, I loved it, the feeling you get
when it's just staring you in the face...
and you can just look at it and marvel at its simple beauty
this is the kind of cheese this mouse prefers

Thanks Krim :) I'm swaying more towards giving that a go for my Chicken Kiev Weekend. I have one girl currently who I think may be interested but I think I'm either going to have to do a lot of messaging/time/effort on the keyboard in to drum up some more or get a decent pro photo shoot done to put be in a better light than my amateur hour pics. So it may be worth giving your idea a shot instead, if the girl wants to meet fine I'll do a VO and call it off early if no joy with her and move onto what you suggest, it's only a weekend so won't be a big loss and weather should be nice by the time I get there. I'm no good at sketching as such but can do some perspective type drawings of buildings freehand. If I keep it to basic block type of buildings it probably won't look too bad :) Many thanks.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 07, 2019, 12:36:02 PM
I suspect you are confusing Dream Connections with some other tour, possibly AFA.
I should point out that some people have had success on AFA tours. I know one who has been happily married for 10+ years and still counting.

Just looking at a more recent video on them, they look like they have gone towards more authentic women. The video I saw a year or so ago looked very much like a staged act for a few older guys. These vary some of the girls look model type and others more authentic but pretty enough. Some of the vids seem to show a party type situation where the girls may have turned up just for that. Not sure how on AFA these days what sort of format they use now. Some guys have met a girl at these events on various terms. I wouldn't rule them out but I'm skeptical also. Some of the girls in the Dream Connections vid also seemed quite young so if Gators friend is in his early 60s I'm not sure if he would have much joy there.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 07, 2019, 12:54:50 PM
A friend of one of my best Tampa friends is interested in FSUW.  He plans to take his first trip this summer.

He is a levelheaded, successful businessman and willing to marry the right woman, with or without children.  He is in his early 60s and prefers a woman in her early 40s.   He has been looking at women listed with a PPL site, and has not yet paid for anything nor contacted any woman. He is a WNVN.   :D

So we talked about the pros and cons of dating FSUW, and the process of finding a good one.  Of course I recommended RWD.  It took a long time just to cover simple matters, and we did not discuss issues such as WOVO vs. WMVM. 

I advised him to avoid the PPL sites.  Yes, the "flesh" photos had caught his eye, and I told him sophisticated FSUW do not show such photos on the Internet.   When starting in 2002, I met many fine, serious  women through Elena's Models.  I suggested he study it, and I would confirm if it is still reputable.    Is it?  If not, what are the  reputable dating sites today?

He may want to consider free sites.   I met my wife at FreePersonals; however, I had FSUW dating experience and I believe he needs the same before searching women listed with them. 

The man is serious, and I would like to point him in the right direction.  I appreciate any advice.

Did EM about three years ago, met girl who I toured around Kiev with for the week. She was at least straight up enough but wasn't the one for me it so turned out. Anyway, during my few months on the site I got a lot of girls like my photo, so many it made me feel like a film star, lol. I now know I am no film star and a lot of these likes and women messaging me was doubtless from the affiliate agencies they use. I don't know if they still use affiliate agencies, they state they dont/never had. I know they did when I did as although some of the girls do their own profile there was a lot of profiles taken down, about half of all girls I communicated with! Also the far greater number of women messaging me on their compared to F-dating or Mamba was too many for all of them to be authentic even for a pay monthly site.

I would suggest your friend tries Fdate, it's a good around default site. Mamba is different to what it was last year, it's now a pay monthly site and the age categories are a 'big' problem. If the guy is over 40 the girls can only choose increments of 10 years instead of 5 in the case of below 40 guys. So a lot of the girls will go up a decade max from their age, some only 5 years, and you are 'unable' to message these girls if you are outside the age range. You can send them a virtual gift of a picture of a flower and message that way but after the first free one you have to pay and that is going to add up and is not often successful. Basically they have screwed up a good site and I think they are going to suffer as a result of it, it's now basically a waste of time unless you're young and not too much age difference from the girls you want to meet.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 07, 2019, 03:25:39 PM
if you’re an average single male in a prosperous time in a prosperous society, wimmin are adversaries
an opponent in an antagonistic contest
and guess what friends, and here’s something ALL OF YOU already know
YOU are gonna be the loser in this contest!!!!

cuz in a society like this, the average “schmo” holds no value, zero...
and most of you might be considered average in some way...
you are doomed

there’s only one way for you out of this trap my friends
and that is to find the most remote part of the FSU and get on plane, taxi, yak and go there

find a place where they’ve yet to master the art of making two story buildings
with dirt roads, few electric power lines
get a fearless, trusted local guide, shower him with money and gifts
drive to the most remote parts
villages not even officially on maps
settled by Stalin transported political prisoners mixed with local eurasian genes
you’ll get the high cheek bones and the green eyes
these girls in whatever the Freakastan it is they’re from have zero value
none whatsoever except as field workers which is worth like $150 a month

they will have a mixture of clothing grandmother’s/mother’s from Soviet time funky colors and fabrics but well made, to more recent low quality Chinese imports that fall apart 6 month after you first put it on  they will have maybe 3 or 4 changes of clothing, so they wear the same things a lot, they don’t own a car, neither does anyone in their family, nor do they even know how to drive a car.
nope, but their legs and gluteus maximus will be to “die for” and they have no clue about it
and all that hard farm work pays off in the abs as well as every place else, so yummy

I had a tough time making human friends when I was a little kid, humans were mean, so I learned to study animals on my grandfather’s farm
I studied birds and squirrels and I learned to coax them into being my friends
it took many weeks and months, but purely through observation I learned
how to be perceived as non threatening (move little and slowly)
and the most important food, you have to feed them!
it’s why you will still see some lion and orca trainers handing out snacks today
I had this figured out with birds and squirrels when I was 6 yr old

what I’m about to say is amazing but listen, OK?
In Freakastan
learn how to be perceived as non threatening to the wimmin you want to befriend
that means you need to cultivate their perception of you
they way I cultivated the squirrel's perception of me
you can play the father, the teacher, just show that you are loving and kind
but you must also feed the wimmin you want to befriend (and remember man unlike squirrels does not live by bread alone)
the soul may be fed in an infinite number of ways
but among some animal species
shopping is very popular

and that’s it!

just watch what happens to these wild creatures after you feed them and ply them with alcohol...
I imagine you will be as unprepared as I was the first time I found myself in this situation
and had my first flasher*


*flasher
a woman who without having received any physical contact from you, removes all clothing from below the waist and sits across from you in the living room with her legs open and stares intently into your eyes, more common in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan than Ukraine or Russia
if you are caught unprepared, you will be absolutely "entranced" by her, which is her intent...
just freakin wild when this happens

 
 

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: rwd123 on April 07, 2019, 04:47:32 PM
Any language skills? Level of travel experience? (can he travel and communicate independently)

Relationship experience? Inclined to Wm/WO/WN? (is he any good with women)

Retired? Flexible work schedule? (how much time does he have - this is really important)

I am assuming money is not an issue and that he is not interested in relocating to the FSU. Is he in shape?

Hard to recommend anything without knowing more about him. Whether he uses dating sites or just lands in the country it's all needles and haystacks. There are some short cuts but no guarantees they'll work for him - and he may get some really bad advice if it is not based on recent rexperience.

In other words, it depends on his him.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 07, 2019, 05:16:52 PM
"You know, if you would only have longer arms...…..you would make out with yourself!! ))))"

my posts are about the hunting and not about the hunter
no brag
just fact
as I recall
you have already stated
that guys who have been successful
and are married have had multiple partners
make you jealous
but this is your problem
for YOU to deal with
and has nothing to do with me or others
go find your own success
and you will no longer be jealous of someone else's







Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on April 07, 2019, 05:18:34 PM
A friend of one of my best Tampa friends is interested in FSUW.  He plans to take his first trip this summer.

The man is serious, and I would like to point him in the right direction.  I appreciate any advice.

I would advise that he do a lot of research here. I can't give much advice on
what current agencies or websites to use because that information becomes
stale pretty quickly and I've been out of the hunt for too long.

These links should get him pointed in the right direction.

How to get started
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0


The Ten Commandments
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0


The Free E Book
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47


How I did it
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0


Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: JayH on April 07, 2019, 05:38:00 PM
Any language skills? Level of travel experience? (can he travel and communicate independently)

Relationship experience? Inclined to Wm/WO/WN? (is he any good with women)

Retired? Flexible work schedule? (how much time does he have - this is really important)

I am assuming money is not an issue and that he is not interested in relocating to the FSU. Is he in shape?

Hard to recommend anything without knowing more about him. Whether he uses dating sites or just lands in the country it's all needles and haystacks. There are some short cuts but no guarantees they'll work for him - and he may get some really bad advice if it is not based on recent rexperience.

In other words, it depends on his him.

At last -- a sensible post! :)
It is a good topic  and base scenario  outlined -- but the rwd  questions  are crucial to getting the best advice -- and I am thinking more generally - ie   how /where to search .

I note again  that some have trotted out "old"   "advice" !!  A lot has changed -even over the last 5 years and that needs to be understood.

As a general observation -- and I have said so many many times-- the notorious sites have earned that reputation with good reason  and are very tricky to use-- and against the majority of advice here on forum.

That said -- it is possible to meet someone even on the more notorious sites. There is several key points -it will cost money to sort a way through the maze -- and most importantly --is the guy himself ( as rwd has commented above).

For the right guy -  who then has resources and is prepared  & able  to spend the time I would use every possible site to open potential opportunities.

To repeat    -- there are quite a few guys here  who met via the sites I refer to - I met ( more accurately found) my long term  Ukrainian ex  and my current girl ( woman/lady!! :)  )    who were on those sites. Over time ( some time ago now-- but current compared to some who write here) I have met quite a number  who are or were on those sites.

I am not really convinced that any site is better or worse as far as opportunity potential -- be that free of at crazy use cost.
Regardless Caveat Emptor
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Grumpy on April 07, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
 This may or may not be of some help.

http://www.themasculinetraveler.com/best-russian-dating-sites/
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: jone on April 07, 2019, 06:58:39 PM
There's a new breed of woman out there that is working the online dating circuit.   She is outside the normal agency types that used to get paid through agencies.  She now works only for herself and is part of a network of 'ProDaters'.

I was observing this phenomena recently.   The gal will list herself as someone who 'is looking' for a (insert word here:  boyfriend; soulmate; spouse; father of her children) to meet.   Like the old pro-daters, she will suggest a distant location, but never at her home.   She will suggest that location and then challenge you to get her there - at least business, if not first class seating.   Upon arriving and varying by the woman, she will insist on a separate room and then begin charging her mark for every possible expense.  If the mark does not come up with the money, she will claim him 'greedy' and will abandon him without so much as a how-do-you-do and hop on the next plane back to her location.

In this scenario, she has many options for how to milk him.   She can work discounts/kickbacks with the hotel and restaurants that she chooses to go to.   She can have her mark/man buy things for her and then take them back as an exchange and get the cash.   There are even ways to work a trade for a coach seat from a business or first class seat, obtaining credit for a future trip.  (I haven't seen the details on this, but I am told it does happen.)

The simple fact is that the gals who used to work for a thousand a month for the agencies now can do two or three trips a month and wind up netting in excess of five thousand while still getting first class treatment where ever they go.

The guys who honor these trips .... after they have been suckered into the honey traps by the gals... need only insist on the first meeting be at the city where the gal is from to offset this strategy.  She has no leverage because the guy is putting up the money to travel to where she lives.  And if she acts funky, he can just go to plan 'B'.

And for those gals who really want to clean up, they sleep with the guy and then leave with his wallet, his passport and anything else of value that might be in his room.  She leaves no specific trail except for the online website whereby he first met her.   

That is the new age of what the Pro-dater has evolved into.   And left the agencies in the dust.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 07, 2019, 07:32:55 PM
in every ecosystem
an abundance of prey
sooner or later will attract predators

listen to what I’m about to tell you
as far fetched as it sounds it’s true
go to a big city in Ukraine
like Dnepr
go to a big outdoor market
walk around the perimeter of the market
find a bus stop
position your self nearby on the side walk in the middle of the foot traffic
stand in the middle of the side walk head up shoulders back look straight ahead
as the women are approaching you
you look em in the eye and you say
“I am sorry but I am very lonely and sad”
would you like to come and make love with me?

zvinite, no mne ochen' odinoko i grustno
Vy khoteli by priyti i zanyat'sya so mnoy lyubov'yu

BUT
only say this to women you’re willing to sleep with
if you are white, have most of your hair and teeth are over 5‘6“ nice cologne
reasonably dressed
30 minutes max before you have a date

how do I know this works
saw it happen
if you coulda seen the scrawny drushban dewd
and the sweety he walked away with

fortune favors the bold
and in Ukraine you can be maximum bold with no penalty
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 08, 2019, 12:51:58 AM
This may or may not be of some help.

http://www.themasculinetraveler.com/best-russian-dating-sites/

When I read the title, I knew it would be crap 'advice'....

If you are into speed dating..and are a sex tourist..on a VM trip..THEN they should be fine....))

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Maxx2 on April 08, 2019, 01:51:10 AM
There's a new breed of woman out there that is working the online dating circuit.   She is outside the normal agency types that used to get paid through agencies.  She now works only for herself and is part of a network of 'ProDaters'.

I was observing this phenomena recently.   The gal will list herself as someone who 'is looking' for a (insert word here:  boyfriend; soulmate; spouse; father of her children) to meet.   Like the old pro-daters, she will suggest a distant location, but never at her home.   She will suggest that location and then challenge you to get her there - at least business, if not first class seating.   Upon arriving and varying by the woman, she will insist on a separate room and then begin charging her mark for every possible expense.  If the mark does not come up with the money, she will claim him 'greedy' and will abandon him without so much as a how-do-you-do and hop on the next plane back to her location.

In this scenario, she has many options for how to milk him.   She can work discounts/kickbacks with the hotel and restaurants that she chooses to go to.   She can have her mark/man buy things for her and then take them back as an exchange and get the cash.   There are even ways to work a trade for a coach seat from a business or first class seat, obtaining credit for a future trip.  (I haven't seen the details on this, but I am told it does happen.)

The simple fact is that the gals who used to work for a thousand a month for the agencies now can do two or three trips a month and wind up netting in excess of five thousand while still getting first class treatment where ever they go.

The guys who honor these trips .... after they have been suckered into the honey traps by the gals... need only insist on the first meeting be at the city where the gal is from to offset this strategy.  She has no leverage because the guy is putting up the money to travel to where she lives.  And if she acts funky, he can just go to plan 'B'.

And for those gals who really want to clean up, they sleep with the guy and then leave with his wallet, his passport and anything else of value that might be in his room.  She leaves no specific trail except for the online website whereby he first met her.   

That is the new age of what the Pro-dater has evolved into.   And left the agencies in the dust.


Great post!  :clapping:
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 08, 2019, 02:26:00 AM
Maxx,

In all my years on dating sites, I NEVER had such a proposal - it's about who you choose to write to and who you choose to ignore ;)


Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 08, 2019, 04:59:35 AM
There's a new breed of woman out there that is working the online dating circuit.   She is outside the normal agency types that used to get paid through agencies.  She now works only for herself and is part of a network of 'ProDaters'.

I was observing this phenomena recently.   The gal will list herself as someone who 'is looking' for a (insert word here:  boyfriend; soulmate; spouse; father of her children) to meet.   Like the old pro-daters, she will suggest a distant location, but never at her home.   She will suggest that location and then challenge you to get her there - at least business, if not first class seating.   Upon arriving and varying by the woman, she will insist on a separate room and then begin charging her mark for every possible expense.  If the mark does not come up with the money, she will claim him 'greedy' and will abandon him without so much as a how-do-you-do and hop on the next plane back to her location.

In this scenario, she has many options for how to milk him.   She can work discounts/kickbacks with the hotel and restaurants that she chooses to go to.   She can have her mark/man buy things for her and then take them back as an exchange and get the cash.   There are even ways to work a trade for a coach seat from a business or first class seat, obtaining credit for a future trip.  (I haven't seen the details on this, but I am told it does happen.)

The simple fact is that the gals who used to work for a thousand a month for the agencies now can do two or three trips a month and wind up netting in excess of five thousand while still getting first class treatment where ever they go.

The guys who honor these trips .... after they have been suckered into the honey traps by the gals... need only insist on the first meeting be at the city where the gal is from to offset this strategy.  She has no leverage because the guy is putting up the money to travel to where she lives.  And if she acts funky, he can just go to plan 'B'.

And for those gals who really want to clean up, they sleep with the guy and then leave with his wallet, his passport and anything else of value that might be in his room.  She leaves no specific trail except for the online website whereby he first met her.   

That is the new age of what the Pro-dater has evolved into.   And left the agencies in the dust.

I agree Jone, I think the free and pay monthly sites are no doubt getting a few of these types. I think it can vary though and the line between who is a pro dater, good time girl/girl after stuff and different girls ideas of dating getting blurred. An odd few like you say will be firmly in the pro dater category, others will be more amateur attempts at it, and others girls who see sex for favours as part of a relationship who can easily be mistaken as a pro date type.

For a guy who is first time at this like Gators friend it can be a pain to ditch a girl after so much messaging and fly out there only for it to start going south with the girl trying to get what she can. A guy who has been at this for a few outings will likely know to ditch the girl and how to go about sourcing another one fairly quickly. Like I was saying earlier in this thread even the decent free pay monthly sites need careful scrutiny as to the women you contact and get messaging with. The Ukraine Date and ppl sites are just hopeless in comparison in terms of trying to separate the wheat from the chaff these days as they are really all chaff.

Krimster's method has merit and worth a shot I think. I've always wanted to meet FSW more naturally to find a girl but never had a lot of time to do it with.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Gator on April 08, 2019, 06:21:58 AM
Thanks everyone for the information and opinions.  I have forwarded this link to my friend's friend. 

I stress "friend's friend" because I have not met the man yet.  I can not answer your questions about him other than he seems well adjusted (no fantasies), is a business owner, and has the necessary money to support a FSUW wife. 

I do not know how much time he will have available.  I suggest that he start contacting women who speak some English.  My wife and I are available to help him sort through the candidates produced by his initial contacts.   One RWD member has offered to help privately, and may even meet him in Ukraine.   

 
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 08, 2019, 07:00:15 AM
  One RWD member has offered to help privately, and may even meet him in Ukraine.   

V.kind of them ...   As long as it is not Trench on one of his budget breaks ;))
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 08, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
you guys...

dunno ‘cross the pond
but in the glorious US of A
we have the american gemological society
which offers gemological education of several types
I believe one is now called Jewelry Store Training.com

you can EASILY aquire this learning material and work part-time in it
while doin your regular gig

after this training...
if you are a total MFing bad-ass, then yas goes to Mirny in Roosha
you “get established”, apartment, etc
and ya learn how to score “raw stones”
i’d start w/ under 2 carets
don’t overdue it - you want to have a profile so low, that it could fall off a dime
first time I really wouldn’t buy more than 10 carets total
keep em taped to under your scrotum

you can sell em on ebay if ya want
or in Amsterdam or Israel have them cut
again under the scrotum (the stones, not the cutting!)

even with smaller stones you can put what will net you 50K and cost you 5K + expenses
comfortably...

if you’re smart...
yes, you can make a really good living as a diamond smuggler
if you’re a moron
you will likely get robbed and killed...
so decide which side of the coin your picture is on

if you work up to larger stones
then one good deal, when cut
could set you up for life...

if you’re smart
how many of you here think you’re smart?

and on top of that your traveling expenses for this business
will include plenty of female flesh in the Roosian far east
which is quite tasty

wish I had the opportunity to have done this when I was younger...
what a life a young American guy could have doin this...



Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: ML on April 08, 2019, 08:38:12 AM
Our Maxx knows a lot about the gold industry.  Don't know if he is up on diamonds also.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Gator on April 08, 2019, 09:42:24 AM


wish I had the opportunity to have done this when I was younger...
what a life a young American guy could have doin this...

Are you talking about the Russian manufactured diamonds, which supposedly are difficult to detect as fake?
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 08, 2019, 09:53:13 AM
nope...
not in mirny
I know someone who bought 3 of the diamond presses from Russia back in early 2000s and makes canary yellows this way
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: ML on April 08, 2019, 10:55:44 AM
Are you talking about the Russian manufactured diamonds, which supposedly are difficult to detect as fake?

A new friend of mine is a mostly retired Jeweler, but still does some custom work.
I was visiting his shop and asked him to show me how to tell real diamond from manufactured.

He got one of each and we looked at under magnifying glass, or maybe it had a light source also.

Anyway, he said:  See how the manufactured one has a black spot in the center.

I said:  No, I can't see the difference.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 08, 2019, 11:38:57 AM
you're buying raw stones
ones outta the ground are different from machine made
you can tell from 3 feet away in 3 seconds
if you're lookin at cut stones
the man made will have no occlusions, etc.
if you turn pro
and buy larger stones
you have to look at it
and understand once it's cut
how many saleable carets, number of stones, etc
these stones will sell for WAY more
and for big stones, the seller will usually have unrealistic
expectations of how many carets it'll yield
you will have to haggle by looking at "issues"
to downgrade the seller's appraisal
danger lurks at every corner
but where else can ya
for a few days of "work" make a years salary
in the heart of Siberia
and the siestas...
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 08, 2019, 11:55:50 AM
I used two... both as good as each other.
*fdating.... free
*dmnotify.... monthly subscription (like local dating sites)


That's already the second time for today that I read about dmnotify... Might worth checking, I guess  :D


What about the the smaller branches of fdating - Russian-dating.com and russian-personals.com (ex free -personals.ru, IIRC?)


...and am I right, what once was Russian Euro, is now being called Russian cupid?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BillyB on April 09, 2019, 07:50:27 PM
A new friend of mine is a mostly retired Jeweler, but still does some custom work.
I was visiting his shop and asked him to show me how to tell real diamond from manufactured.

He got one of each and we looked at under magnifying glass, or maybe it had a light source also.

Anyway, he said:  See how the manufactured one has a black spot in the center.

I said:  No, I can't see the difference.

A black spot is usually carbon that has not been heated and compressed enough to become clear crystallized carbon. Black spots are often found it natural diamonds.

Are you talking about the Russian manufactured diamonds, which supposedly are difficult to detect as fake?

Super heated compressed carbon is a diamond whether it's done over a million years or in a month in a lab.

If you watch a person try to sell their diamond in a jewelry store or at a pawn shop, the employees there have a diamond tester pen to be able to tell the difference between lab created and natural diamonds. They may not understand what the difference in diamonds but they have to trust their instruments. Lab created diamonds have boron added to it. It's a shiny metallic element and it affects the overall properties of the diamond. A real expert will notice the difference without a diamond tester pen. This added element keeps people from buying lab created diamonds cheap and scamming jewelers, pawn shops and the public.

Loose controls in Russia so it's possible some are lab creating pure diamonds without additives. I'm sure DeBeers is paying money to people in the Russian government and in law enforcement to go after those labs when discovered. DeBeers needs to keep giving everybody the impression that diamonds are rare to keep the price up when in fact, are the most abundant gem in a jewelry store.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BdHvA on April 09, 2019, 08:45:51 PM
Artificial diamonds were not created for their gemological properties in the late 80s. The first artificial diamonds were created in the United States and the Soviet Union almost simultaneously for the same reasons. The stones tended to be yellow.

The Soviet machines ended up in Israel. The research did not yield promise in reality and has since been taken up around the world. Once I met a girl of interest at AMS from Kyiv, she had befriended a university professor who was going to Delft for two years of research. She in a bumbling way tried to explain what he was working on. I stopped her and asked him if he was working with ASML and DTU on creating a bi-polar carbon crystal structure.

He laughed and asked my friend are you sure he is an art expert?
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BillyB on April 09, 2019, 08:56:23 PM


The first artificial diamonds were created in the United States and the Soviet Union almost simultaneously for the same reasons. The stones tended to be yellow.


To much nitrogen caused the diamonds to be yellow. Didn't sell well back then.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 09, 2019, 08:57:31 PM
"That's already the second time for today that I read about dmnotify... Might worth checking, I guess"

so that's why you're here, really?
why would you want to leave Moscow
so many wealthy educated ludie there
what do you want from the West
that you can't more easily find in Moscow
I mean besides a malchik
why do you need a malchik at your age anyway
you do realize that guys your age date much younger than you right
so guys HERE who would look at you are going to be around age 70
what are you going to do with a 70 year old retiree
besides wait for him to die
or is that kinda the plan you have...
please satisfy my curiosity
and I will reciprocate

I feel sorry for the mixup about the GRU
so I'll give you some advice
you want to find a western man
you need to go to him and hunt him in his own territory
why?
cuz at your age the odds of you bagging someone aren't very high
you have to balance any equation that has a low number
with a higher number on the other side of the equation
so low probability per man, means you meet lots of men to balance the equation
you can only do that here
late 40's means you could date 50 and up
get a tourist visa and head over
places like silicon valley or arlington VA
have tons of single middle aged men who are well off
my rolex has 100 such names
but you are going to have to "put out" at least once, is that something you can manage OK?




Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BdHvA on April 09, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
The cutting and polishing of diamonds is done primarily in India, Israel and Antwerp.

Amsterdam diamonds are for the tourists who do not know better. There though very good setters who are rather off the radar.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 03:56:35 AM

That's already the second time for today that I read about dmnotify... Might worth checking, I guess  :D


What about the the smaller branches of fdating - Russian-dating.com and russian-personals.com (ex free -personals.ru, IIRC?)


...and am I right, what once was Russian Euro, is now being called Russian cupid?  :rolleyes:

If I was an older Russian woman, I would forget about the dating sites and join western Facebook dating groups.

I was a member of several over 35 groups and woman have the considerable advantage. An attractive woman would post a picture and within and hour 100 men would be competing for  her attention. A nice Russian woman would have an obvious  edge over the local women.

The advantage of the FB groups is most men will want to add you as a friend, so you can get a good idea about the ones you like and their life from their personal page.

 

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on April 10, 2019, 04:13:41 AM
STRONGLY disagree re using Social Media sites to date

It's bad enough what they know about you ;)

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Davo on April 10, 2019, 04:55:27 AM
STRONGLY disagree re using Social Media sites to date

It's bad enough what they know about you ;)

They suck for men. You get lost in all the noise .... I never tried to contact any women on there.....  so many guys publically embarrassing themselves to get a woman’s attention, but some of my female friends have met some great guys in these groups, which is why I made the suggestion.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 10, 2019, 05:28:11 AM
plenty of people try the low effort picking up the rotting fruit on the ground approach vrs working hard and climbing the tree to get the sweetest fruit
for most people it’s all they ever do, just don’t blame the world when the rotten fruit makes you sick

malen'kaya mysh has already unsuccessfully tried social media to snag a meal ticket
and is always aware each morning when she awakes that there’s a little more belyy pesok
at the bottom of the hour-glass than there was yesterday....

a 50 yr old Russian woman can NOT date a 50 yr old Westerner
the 50 yr Westerner is trying to obtain a 30 yr old RW and has no interest in some staroushka
the evidence of that is all over this board

get real...
ask malen'kaya mysh how many came to visit her from social media
and the quality of such (potential) visitors

smart women come HERE, know EXACTLY the kind of man they want
and WHERE this kind of man IS
and will put herself in the middle of this location
smart women....
smart women also know that to catch a fish you need a hook and some bait
staroushka bait?   nyet spossiba....

find another approach, I hear ludie in Moscow are real-l-l-l-ly smart!
so I’m sure you’ll figure it out before the hour glass is empty
cuz if you don't you're gonna die poor and lonely in Moskva...
but look on the bright side!
based on the average life expectancy for a woman in Moskva
that's only gonna be for about 20 more years
c'mon you can handle that much more time in Moscow
after 50 yr another 20 should be no big deal...

hey olchik!
here's your sardonic fortune cookie
it says


Do you want to leave Moskva?
Well, you should've had that idea 20 year ago!









Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on April 11, 2019, 02:26:04 PM
a 50 yr old Russian woman can NOT date a 50 yr old Westerner
the 50 yr Westerner is trying to obtain a 30 yr old RW and has no
interest in some staroushka the evidence of that is all over this board

Looks like an improvement over the 1990's when the 50 yr old
Westerner dated the 20 year old nova-rushka. 

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: krimster2 on April 11, 2019, 04:36:47 PM
"Looks like an improvement over the 1990's when the 50 yr old
Westerner dated the 20 year old nova-rushka.  "

yes, back then I was 40 had no problem at all making contact with college undergrads in kyiv
absolutely easiest girls in the world to pick up
they had just enough exposure to the outside world through TV media
to have developed an exaggerated sense of its prosperity and luxury
and that fueled their curiosity
there weren't a lot of cultural representatives in Kyiv back then
so early comers like me were considered exotic specimens of manhood
that needed to be investigated thoroughly...
to women like them, men aged 40 are at their "peak"
provided they are "successful" and affluent
if you are also tall and blond hair blue eyes and have many other talents
then you'll get all the "you know what" you could ever want in Kyiv without almost no effort...

so bottom line...
if there's a Russian problem in your neigh-bor-hood
who ya gonna call?

it better be Russ Busters!!!




Title: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on May 02, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
STRONGLY disagree re using Social Media sites to date

It's bad enough what they know about you ;)

While I agree with the invasion of privacy re social media sites, they can
be used as a tool/force multiplier.

You can set up an email and page(s) for specifically looking for an FSUW.


In the olden days I had over 1100 FSUW friends on MySpace and I met
Angel Eyes on a social media site.

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Patagonie on May 03, 2019, 08:57:56 AM
While I agree with the invasion of privacy re social media sites, they can
be used as a tool/force multiplier.

You can set up an email and page(s) for specifically looking for an FSUW.


In the olden days I had over 1100 FSUW friends on MySpace and I met
Angel Eyes on a social media site.
Bill, may you tell us more about "You can set up an email and page(s) for specifically looking for an FSUW."How did you organize this? and how you got back 1100 friends?
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on May 03, 2019, 09:28:07 AM
While I agree with the invasion of privacy re social media sites, they can
be used as a tool/force multiplier.

You can set up an email and page(s) for specifically looking for an FSUW.


In the olden days I had over 1100 FSUW friends on MySpace and I met
Angel Eyes on a social media site.

Dear Beel,

I fear you have forgotten what a friend is ...these are / were virtual fwends ...

Friends are people you meet  in life and there is a mutual respect and trust and an assumption that you have shared experiences together.

Your myspace page ( that I remember ) was pretty general and not an explicit advert for a wife...

I used a social media site to find SC...but she wasn't seeking a partner via the SM site... she just hadn't logged in to the dating sites for too long and she might have found someone or been bored



As awareness grew, she got some creepy 'friendship' offers and made her profiles private.

Lots of ladies will never see  a SM site designed for attracting a mate  for the very reason of privacy 

It MIGHT work for a younger woman, but I suggest to attract women for whom SM is less relevant makes it a less likely method.
Title: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on May 25, 2019, 07:11:39 PM
Bill, may you tell us more about "You can set up an email and page(s) for specifically looking for an FSUW."How did you organize this? and how you got back 1100 friends?

Back in the olden days when MySpace was hot I started a page for
a different forum that is similar to this one. MySpace had a search
feature so, I would select various FSU countries and ask the single
women to be friends with the page.

I invited them to join the forum and say hello. I ended up meeting
some of the women in person and I stopped trying to get additional
women to join after the number got to 1100. I met the women in
Georgia from doing that and many from all over the FSU came to
chat.

I had a good time, but it took a lot of my time so I stopped.

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on May 25, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
Dear Beel,

I fear you have forgotten what a friend is ...these are / were virtual fwends ...

Friends are people you meet  in life and there is a mutual respect and trust and an assumption that you have shared experiences together.

Your myspace page ( that I remember ) was pretty general and not an explicit advert for a wife...

I used a social media site to find SC...but she wasn't seeking a partner via the SM site... she just hadn't logged in to the dating sites for too long and she might have found someone or been bored

As awareness grew, she got some creepy 'friendship' offers and made her profiles private.

Lots of ladies will never see  a SM site designed for attracting a mate  for the very reason of privacy 

It MIGHT work for a younger woman, but I suggest to attract women for whom SM is less relevant makes it a less likely method.

Yes, they were friends of the page

However, I did meet several girls in real life from social media pages
and I married one of them.



Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Gator on May 26, 2019, 07:13:43 AM
BTW,

I have heard nothing from the friend of my friend, suggesting he lost interest in the FSUW pursuit.  I gave him a summary of the different ideas suggested in this thread. 

Thanks everyone for helping!

Pure speculation on my part: Perhaps he realized the barrage of "I am lonely and can not find a good man" letters form young beauties was not the truth. 
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2019, 08:28:28 AM
I have heard nothing from the friend of my friend, suggesting he lost interest in the FSUW pursuit.


It's possible the first girl or few girls he wrote to didn't show interest. I know guys who are interested in girls and they don't put the effort into finding one or get turned off by a bad experience/date with one. A decent, financially secure guy should have a 100% chance in finding someone who'd want to spend their life with him. It takes time. It may take 20 dates, but it's going to happen if he is motivated to find someone.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on May 26, 2019, 09:23:28 AM
BTW,

I have heard nothing from the friend of my friend, suggesting he lost interest in the FSUW pursuit.  I gave him a summary of the different ideas suggested in this thread. 

Thanks everyone for helping!

Pure speculation on my part: Perhaps he realized the barrage of "I am lonely and can not find a good man" letters form young beauties was not the truth.

This endeavor is NOT for everyone, it's not for most people.
The huge investments of time, money, patience, heat ache, and effort
is far too much for the majority of guys out there.

It's much easier to settle for a local gal. She's a little bit fat, a little bit
bitchy and whiney, she couldn't name two countries that border Russia,
she has a lovely dike haircut but you get a bottle of wine poured into her
and there's a very good chance you will get a romp out of it TONIGHT.

A Russian gal, is hotter, slimmer, with long hair, exquisite nails and can
name every country that borders Burkina Faso. She can work all day
and then come home and cook up a feast, then slip into an evening
gown and then entertain a dozen guests with intelligent conversation.

With the Russian gal however, you have to make a connection, then
get a passport and a visa, travel 10-20 hours to see her AND win her
heart. Then you have to continue pursuing her while the idiots at
USCIS move in slow motion in everything they do.

You have to leave your Russian gal in Russia too many times to contemplate
when every part of your body is aching to be with her. When you finally get
her into your country you have to be patient when she gets frustrated and
cheer her up when she suffers from melancholy.

Even years later when she is acclimated you have to smile when she knows
everything and suffer through cRaZy Russian remedies for anything that ails
you and her total disdain for the entire American medical profession.

I am barely scratching the surface in describing the efforts that marrying
an FSUW entails.
 
There are a lot of men who aren't cut out for this and there's no shame in
my opinion of them acknowledging their limitations.

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Boethius on May 26, 2019, 07:50:19 PM
I am laughing out loud at your post, Bill.

My husband asked his friend's wife, a native of the city, where the Russian Museum was when he was first in Leningrad.  Her response was "We have a Russian Museum?" 

Russian students' PISA scores are middling, and I've met a fair number of FSUW who didn't know where Canada was, so I highly doubt they could name the countries surrounding Burkina Faso. 

In the end, most men and women in a country reflect that particular country.  So, if AW are that slovenly and ignorant (and they aren't, I know that as I know some AW), so are their men.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Gator on May 27, 2019, 07:18:16 AM

In the end, most men and women in a country reflect that particular country.  So, if AW are that slovenly and ignorant (and they aren't, I know that as I know some AW), so are their men.


One observation of ignorance of young AW and AM.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvg3HDbGT14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvg3HDbGT14)
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: SocialistNerd on May 30, 2019, 06:27:25 PM
My lady found me accidentally on Zoosk. That isn't a typical method I gather.
Title: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on July 06, 2019, 02:55:42 PM
I am laughing out loud at your post, Bill.

I'm glad that I tickled a funny bone.

While I may have slightly exaggerated the demerits of some Western Women.
You have to understand the last place I lived when I was single was in the oil
patch in Rural North Dakota. There wasn't a single unmarried woman available
that didn't have major, major flaws.

When I lived in the bay area, your argument would have been totally correct.
Living in Watford City North Dakota, I would be lucky to find a woman 5 years
older than myself, a high school dropout with missing teeth and a criminal record. 
She probably wouldn't be a good match for me. I could get in my car and drive
to Portland Oregon in about 24 hours or I could be standing at Angel Eyes door
in about the same amount of time.

My point that most men aren't cut out for this is totally true. Most men don't
have the tenacity or the patience to be successful and should be happy to
pursue the best local girl they can find. Most guys who do actually get on
a plane and fly to the FSU fail, then they quit.

There are many trials and tribulations and I'll bet most of the married guys
will attest to that.


In the end, most men and women in a country reflect that particular country.

Not true at all, there are people at every end of the spectrum in a population
as big as the FSU or the USA. There are people in the USA who are sharecroppers, 
who have never traveled 100 miles from their home. There are people in the USA
who speak 7 languages and have 4 Phd's. You don't marry the average population.
One unique individual marries another unique individual.

There are single women in the FSU from every walk of life, with every interest,
with every virtue and/or women with every fault or failing. A man has to be willing
to turn over lots of stones to find his gem.

That's my two kopecks,

Bill
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on July 02, 2020, 07:36:55 AM
Andrew Brown marked as 'female'..Well we can take this 'link' and the 'advice' therein and know what to do with it ..

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: ML on July 02, 2020, 08:19:59 AM
So you also can try this web-dating service http://hotlatinbrides.org/mexican-women-brides/ (http://hotlatinbrides.org/mexican-women-brides/). Mexican ladies are even better than russian. I can say that for sure.

As I heard:  Put a ring on a Mexican gal's finger, and she puts 40 pounds into stomach and ass.

As an aside:  I watch reruns of Johnny Carson.  Yesterday had on Brooke Shields when she was about to turn 18 and attend Princeton.

She told the story that I had heard before.  When doing film in Egypt, a Sheik offered her mother 12 camels for Brooke.  But there was a stipulation that she gain a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BillyB on July 02, 2020, 08:32:30 AM
So you also can try this web-dating service http://hotlatinbrides.org/mexican-women-brides/ (http://hotlatinbrides.org/mexican-women-brides/). Mexican ladies are even better than russian. I can say that for sure.

It's a scam site. No phone number or address. They want to remain anonymous so after they take your money, you don't know who to sue.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Patagonie on July 02, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
It's a scam site. No phone number or address. They want to remain anonymous so after they take your money, you don't know who to sue.


+5
Exactly what I noticed.
 
100% farce
Title: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on July 05, 2020, 01:56:33 PM
Mexican ladies are even better than russian. I can say that for sure.

There are many excellent Mexican ladies for sure. I've met enough
to attest to that. They are far closer (to the USA) and it's far less
expensive to travel there. The language is easier to learn and the
alphabet is the same and the food isn't bland.

If you like curvy girls, you won't find a place in the FSU with as
many curvy girls per capita.

Latin ladies are different than Slavic ladies not better. Slavic girls
on average are taller, slimmer, better educated, more traveled.
They are different not better.

That's my two centavos
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: msmob on July 05, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
the food isn't bland.

Wow, you're living dangerously .. ;)  I'm not a fan of Mexican food.. 

If you like curvy girls, you won't find a place in the FSU with as
many curvy girls per capita.

When did you last travel to the FSU .. ?  ;)

I've only been to Mexico once and that was TJ in 1990.. But I'm sure I saw a comparison that eth Mexicans were fatter in the US than 'home' ..

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: fathertime on July 06, 2020, 06:31:16 AM
Wow, you're living dangerously .. ;)  I'm not a fan of Mexican food.. 

When did you last travel to the FSU .. ?  ;)

I've only been to Mexico once and that was TJ in 1990.. But I'm sure I saw a comparison that eth Mexicans were fatter in the US than 'home' ..
Perhaps things are a changing although from what I have seen and remembered, the Mexicans and Latinas in general are shaped quite a bit different than the ladies in the FSU.  Plenty of hybrids of course as my Latina wife is both tall, and curvy. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on July 06, 2020, 07:49:32 AM
Wow, you're living dangerously .. ;)  I'm not a fan of Mexican food.. 

You were raised in the UK, they didn't even have food*
made by the locals when you were a lad. Bangers and
mash on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Mash and
bangers on Tues, Thursday and Saturday. Fish and
chips on Sunday. Steak and kidney pie on holidays

Mexico is 706% larger than United Kingdom and has
several different food regions and has a wide variety of
cuisines.

Here is a link to 7 different Mexican food regions (but they
have more than 7).
http://www.picos.net/the-seven-regions-of-mexican-cuisine/

I've only been to Mexico once and that was TJ in 1990.. But I'm sure I saw a comparison that eth Mexicans were fatter in the US than 'home' ..

Curvy doesn't mean fat. It's just that fat girls started calling themselves
curvy when they should have called themselves lumpy, frumpy (or fat).
Latina's are shorter than their Slavic counterparts and usually have
dark hair and eyes. 

Average height of a Russian woman 165 cm or 5' 5".
Average height of a Mexican woman 159 cm or 5' 2".

*I am teasing, they have edible and tasty food in the UK but
they do have a ton of really bland stuff as well. I live about
200 miles from Mexico.

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: GQBlues on July 06, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
I am of the mind of late that the very best access to the best dating connection are still in your own locale and through social networking. Actual virtual dating sites should only be complimentary rather than the primal source.

We just had brunch with a few friends last Saturday in the Marina. 5 were single FSUWs, either never married or divorced. There was this one particular gal that others were trying to find a match for, and it was pretty interesting how it seemed there was this over-riding sentiment how 'difficult' this was for her to meet someone whom she 'expressed' looks hardly made the top-10 criteria.

No joke - this gal would've been Megan Fox's twin sister. Every angle, from face, body and height...the eyes, the lips, the hair - undeniably Megan Fox!

She's currently renting a 'guest room' in a fairly shady part of town, recently graduated - and desperately 'single' - presently unemployed. The reason for her chronically being single is her aversion to the men's obvious fixation by her 'look's. Unfortunately, as is always the case with the very vast majority of men regardless of age, they haven't the clue accompanied by the serious lack of social grace how to put a woman like this gal at ease. I often regard gorgeous women to be the loneliest people in any social settings.

I have no doubt this is still true today as it was back during my highly enjoyable single years.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: 2tallbill on July 06, 2020, 08:34:51 AM
I often regard gorgeous women to be the loneliest people in any social settings.

Back when I was single, I always knew that somebody had
to kiss the hotties, so I figured it might as well be me.

Don't you live in Southern California? That might be the hotbed
of shallow single people in the USA. It definitely was when I was
young.

Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: GQBlues on July 06, 2020, 08:52:21 AM
Yes, Bill...Grew up in Sta.Monica and lived most of my adult, single years in Marina Del Rey. Palisades/Malibu from the north of me, Westside/Hollywood to the east and Southbay/OC to the south.

You are so right, that 'attitude' *if no one else can, why not me* works like a charm the very vast majority of time. Gorgeous women really do cry out for 'attention' but in the most subtle, discreet, almost unassuming way. Words of flattery, bumbled compliments are just something you never rely on. It has a completely opposite effect.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: Patagonie on July 06, 2020, 09:08:50 AM
I am of the mind of late that the very best access to the best dating connection are still in your own locale and through social networking. Actual virtual dating sites should only be complimentary rather than the primal source.

We just had brunch with a few friends last Saturday in the Marina. 5 were single FSUWs, either never married or divorced. There was this one particular gal that others were trying to find a match for, and it was pretty interesting how it seemed there was this over-riding sentiment how 'difficult' this was for her to meet someone whom she 'expressed' looks hardly made the top-10 criteria.

No joke - this gal would've been Megan Fox's twin sister. Every angle, from face, body and height...the eyes, the lips, the hair - undeniably Megan Fox!

She's currently renting a 'guest room' in a fairly shady part of town, recently graduated - and desperately 'single' - presently unemployed. The reason for her chronically being single is her aversion to the men's obvious fixation by her 'look's. Unfortunately, as is always the case with the very vast majority of men regardless of age, they haven't the clue accompanied by the serious lack of social grace how to put a woman like this gal at ease. I often regard gorgeous women to be the loneliest people in any social settings.

I have no doubt this is still true today as it was back during my highly enjoyable single years.
 
You are absolutely right. I met a like Megan Fox at the happy new year and we spent a lovely time together.
So when you play the field on the emotional, intellectual level, never saying even a little word on her looks, whatever it could be, you become a winner. 
If you show genuine interest in her personnality, what she likes, her personal story ... you could find, a keeper. You could raise her interest beyond friendship. 
And anyways if you just get a friendship with a 9, maybe she will introduce you to some other female friends, not so bad no?  :P   
Men are expressing too much sexual interest with hotties, by the words or by how they are staring women. Many women just want to feel, comfortable with a man, and have something like equal level status to set up a common field of interest.
 
Men are making a mistake by complimenting a woman by her looks. It's so sketchy for a woman who hear the same s.... ten or twenty times a week.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: BillyB on July 06, 2020, 09:18:01 AM

No joke - this gal would've been Megan Fox's twin sister. Every angle, from face, body and height...the eyes, the lips, the hair - undeniably Megan Fox!

She's currently renting a 'guest room' in a fairly shady part of town, recently graduated - and desperately 'single' - presently unemployed.


If I were single, I'd have no problem in trying to get to know a girl like that.


Men are making a mistake by complimenting a woman by her looks. It's so sketchy for a woman who hear the same s.... ten or twenty times a week.


True, many of those 10's do not want a man that is in awe of them. When I go out on dates, a woman gets ONE compliment about her looks. I might say she's wearing a beautiful dress or her hair looks wonderful. She'll know I am paying attention but I'm not in awe of her butt, face or boobs.
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: ML on July 06, 2020, 10:38:05 AM
She'll know I am paying attention but I'm not in awe of her butt, face or boobs.

But what about her legs ??
Title: Re: Best Dating Sites Today for Friend of Friend
Post by: treddie on July 13, 2020, 12:16:44 PM
I advised him to avoid the PPL sites.  Yes, the "flesh" photos had caught his eye, and I told him sophisticated FSUW do not show such photos on the Internet.   When starting in 2002, I met many fine, serious  women through Elena's Models.  I suggested he study it, and I would confirm if it is still reputable.    Is it?  If not, what are the  reputable dating sites today?

I recommend Elena's Models. It's where I met my future wife. As per the norm, your friend should take standard precautions and understand the costs/requirements of marrying someone from another country/culture.