Russia's Food Import Ban Is Here to Stay

[Doll]

Doll, did you have an enjoyable celebration of International Commie Day yesterday?

Yes, it is my deceased father's birthday.

[cc3]

Apparently, the US is incapable of traveling into space these days.  After all, that was contracted out to a more qualified candidate.   

"More qualified"? Let's see:

http://www.space.com/12779-russian-rocket-failure.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2013/0702/Rocket-crash-strains-Russia-s-troubled-space-program-video

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/16/world/europe/russia-rocket-accident/index.html

http://www.newsmax.com/SciTech/Russia-space-ISS-accident/2015/04/29/id/641494/

[2tallbill]

Just curious- what "food" can't Russia produce?

Pineapples, coconuts, bananas or anything fresh from late November till April. 

Russia can produce nearly anything, but greenhouse fruits and vegetables
are very expensive. It's cheaper to import from South America or warmer
climate for fresh fruits/vegetables out of season.

[Doll]

Pineapples, coconuts, bananas or anything fresh from late November till April. 

Russia can produce nearly anything, but greenhouse fruits and vegetables
are very expensive. It's cheaper to import from South America or warmer
climate for fresh fruits/vegetables out of season.

Apples will do the job. Seriously- you don't know Russians.

[Steamer]

Really? The average Russian now have to spend more than half of their monthly wage on food.
What will your lifestyle be like if half your monthly pay cheque is spent on food?

Yes, really.

[Muzh]

Apples will do the job. Seriously- you don't know Russians.

Oh yeah, apples.


Remember helping Deda fill a sack of apples so we could bring to some guy for pork feed. These apples were from the tree behind the house, a small one too. Their big tree gave tons of apples.


Now, I didn't see any pineapples or coconuts. Bananas I would buy on the way home. I remember seeing on TV a local professor at one of the Universities in Kharkiv explaining a project they had growing bananas there. Actually, they are simple to grow, but that's because I'm an Islander.

[LiveFromUkraine]

"More qualified"? Let's see:

http://www.space.com/12779-russian-rocket-failure.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2013/0702/Rocket-crash-strains-Russia-s-troubled-space-program-video

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/16/world/europe/russia-rocket-accident/index.html

http://www.newsmax.com/SciTech/Russia-space-ISS-accident/2015/04/29/id/641494/

Why would the US pay a less qualified candidate for space travel?  Hopefully you are not saying our government officials are idiots here.   

[Doll]

Oh yeah, apples.


 

What's wrong with it?

[2tallbill]

Apples will do the job. Seriously- you don't know Russians.

Seriously- if you don't want the answer to a question that anyone including
yourself could answer then don't ask it. When somebody does answer it,
don't get your panties in a wad.

Russia has a long history of not being able to feed themselves. The main reason
is that they haven't developed agricultural science past where it was over 80
years ago. I'm not talking about frankenfoods, I am saying that they don't know
how to farm for crap. They need to learn the best tilling techniques to avoid
erosion, to achieve proper drainage. When to plant, how to plant and even what
to plant. There are more drought resistant types of wheat for example that will
create higher yields in many areas, but they plant the same varieties in every
area regardless of rainfall or soil type.

I could go on and on. As of late they have been hiring Western agricultural specialists
to teach them how to do these things. Things will get much better, the potential for
Russia to produce substantially better yields and higher production is there.

[Boethius]

The main reason is that they haven't developed agricultural science past where it was over 80 years ago.

That is what happens when everyone able to generate agricultural production is killed, ruthlessly, in the name of ideology.


Doll, of course no one "needs" a pineapple or a banana.  They don't grow in Canada, either, and I could survive on apples and pears, if I had to.   However, you can't get a buzz eating slices of apple with your vodka, the way you can with pineapple (Or so I've been told.  My curiousity was piqued when I noticed more than one Russian couple buying half a dozen pineapples at a time.).


I think a country being able to produce its own food is laudable.  However, it should be a concerted policy, not one arising as it has in Russia.  Moreover, with the "trickle down" theory of the Russian government, who really is going to benefit from this?

[Doll]

you can't get a buzz eating slices of apple with your vodka

Вы отстали от рос. действительности лет на 200

[Boethius]

I'm talking about raw apple slices.


No need to use вы with me.

[Anotherkiwi]

Russia will survive (Sochi is in tropical zone)

Sochi is not a tropical zone.

Sub tropical

Doll, don't tell lies when you know better.  It's latitude is 43.5 degrees north, which places it near enough to half-way between the equator and the Arctic Circle, and a full 20 degrees north of the Tropic of Cancer.  It is very much in the temperate zone for climate, even though it does get quite hot in summer - see the definition below.

Temperate zone from 40°–60° In the temperate zone, the solar radiation arrives with a smaller angle, and the average temperatures here are much cooler than in the subtropics. The seasons and daylength differ significantly in the course of a year. The climate is characterised by less frequent extremes, a more regular distribution of the precipitation over the year and a longer vegetation period - therefore the name "temperate".

(For a full description of the climatic zones, go to http://content.meteoblue.com/en/meteoscool/general-climate-zones).

 It has even snowed there this year - perhaps you didn't see the photo posted by msmobyone?

For a more detailed look at the zones, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification#GROUP_C:_Temperate.2Fmesothermal_climates

Sochi is shown as Cfa on this basis - funnily enough, that's almost the same as Auckland (which is Cfb).  While this is a very good zone for agricultural production, I doubt that the area around Sochi (or, indeed, the whole of Krasnodar Krai), can possibly produce enough "tropical" or "sub-tropical" food for the whole of Russia.

[cc3]

Why would the US pay a less qualified candidate for space travel?  Hopefully you are not saying our government officials are idiots here.   

A little beyond the capabilities of even the muscovites' dreams, let alone engineering, scientific, and industrial potentialities:

http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/overview.html

"Offering the highest-ever payload mass and volume
capability and energy to speed missions through
space, SLS will be the most powerful rocket in
history and is designed to be flexible and evolvable,
to meet a variety of crew and cargo mission needs"

[Doll]

Tropical food is not important PLUS if we are talking about food ban than this kind of produce doesn't come from the "banned" countries.

The nearest place is Abhazija that is happy to sell it to Russia.
Anotherkiwi,http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B8
Климат Сочи влажный субтропический (Cfa согласно классификации климата Кёппена)[1] с тёплой дождливой зимой и душным солнечным летом. Среднегодовая температура — 14,2 °C. Среднегодовое количество осадков — 1684 мм. Зона морозостойкости — 9a/9b
which does not matter

[2tallbill]

Just curious- what "food" can't Russia produce?

X, Y and Z

Apples will do the job. Seriously- you don't know Russians.

For somebody who likes to argue, you don't do it very well.

[Muzh]

What's wrong with it?

Nothing is wrong with it. I just agreed about the apples. 

[Doll]

For somebody who likes to argue, you don't do it very well.

[LiveFromUkraine]

That is what happens when everyone able to generate agricultural production is killed, ruthlessly, in the name of ideology.


Doll, of course no one "needs" a pineapple or a banana.  They don't grow in Canada, either, and I could survive on apples and pears, if I had to.   However, you can't get a buzz eating slices of apple with your vodka, the way you can with pineapple (Or so I've been told.  My curiousity was piqued when I noticed more than one Russian couple buying half a dozen pineapples at a time.).

I never heard of vodka and pineapple.   Do they soak the pineapple in vodka?

[Boethius]

They either slice pineapple and eat it while drinking vodka, or juice the pineapple.  The sugar gives the vodka more buzz.

[Doll]

Guys, Boe is joking.

Никаких ананасов- водка, Путин, балалайка
 

[Boethius]

No, I am not joking.   I've asked about it, I've witnessed it.  I don't drink vodka, but I do know that in Ukraine, certain foods were eaten with alcohol to get a better "buzz".

[Doll]

No, I am not joking.     

 forever !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boethius]

It's a different sensation experience.  The food is to stay sober.  Sugar is to give more of a kick.

[Doll]

Снимаю шляпу!