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Does every RW want children?
« on: October 07, 2015, 09:57:51 PM »
I have a dilemma... finding a RW would be a dream come true for me, and at this point it's feeling less and less like a pipe dream.

However: I don't particularly want kids.

Are there any RW that don't want kids? What are some possible resolutions here? Or is this just something that's not possible?

Obviously, mentioning this outlook to them BEFORE marrying would be a good idea.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 10:09:57 PM »
I have a dilemma... finding a RW would be a dream come true for me, and at this point it's feeling less and less like a pipe dream.

However: I don't particularly want kids.

Are there any RW that don't want kids? What are some possible resolutions here? Or is this just something that's not possible?

Obviously, mentioning this outlook to them BEFORE marrying would be a good idea.

Most do, however there are many things to consider.

Your age, the age of the RW and does the RW already have kids?

A 42 year old RW with two grown kids will have a different perspective than a 25 year old childless one. Also, you should know that a 26 year old might say she doesn't want kids
but then decide she absolutely must have one 5 years later.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 10:13:02 PM »
My age: 30
Potential RW age: 19 - 28 (?)

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 10:58:44 PM »
My age: 30
Potential RW age: 19 - 28 (?)

My observation as a RW is that nowadays girls in big cities mostly do not want kids until 30 as they have many possibilities to study, to work, to earn money and to travel around the world.

I have many 26-28 girls in my team who does not think about kids yet, they say "maybe one day".

I did not want kids until 30 though I got a kid at 28, but I still think I was not ready for it, now, at 33, I am ready to have another one.

Also you should consider that in Russian mentality a family without kids is not a family, so usually girls are pressed to have kids by mums and friends.


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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 11:11:57 PM »
Abashka,

You would be a great catch for any guy.  Especially one that wants a family.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 11:16:08 PM »
Abashka,

You would be a great catch for any guy.  Especially one that wants a family.
Thank you Jon, but the thread is not about it
I just tried to explain that the fact she does not want kids at 20-28 (topic starter age range) does not mean she will not change her mind after 30.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 11:36:52 PM »
My age: 30
Potential RW age: 19 - 28 (?)

You're a young guy, but I would recommend that you don't look at girls younger
than 25 just because they are pretty flaky at that age. You'll probably be hard
pressed to find a girl who is less than 28 who doesn't want kids or won't change
her mind later.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 01:29:48 AM »
If a woman is ready to move to the West, particularly, somewhere where she thinks it is advantageous to live, part of her thinking is that she wants to move there so her family will have opportunities that she does not have living where she does.  Hard to imagine a woman who doesn't want children to hook up with a guy from the West.  Unless it is for a GREEN CARD!

I know of at least six women that married a guy from the West, moved there, and then wound up with a four year (or less) marriage.  Can you say Mule?  The term VAWA also comes to mind.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2015, 01:39:15 AM »
26 to 32 (+/-) seems to be a time of great transition for many FSU gals; from changes in relationships, habits, religious practice, thinking on childbirth, careers, getting different education to change career focus, finding a new husband, etc.

At your age this is too volatile in my opinion. I'd suggest that instead of marriage, you begin to visit the FSU frequently and gain some experience that might well save your bacon down the road.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 08:42:38 AM »
My observation as a RW is that nowadays girls in big cities mostly do not want kids until 30 as they have many possibilities to study, to work, to earn money and to travel around the world.



Yeah, but girls who think like this are NOT the target of the MOB guys.  ;)
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2015, 09:10:06 AM »
I have a dilemma... finding a RW would be a dream come true for me, and at this point it's feeling less and less like a pipe dream.

However: I don't particularly want kids.

Are there any RW that don't want kids? What are some possible resolutions here? Or is this just something that's not possible?

Obviously, mentioning this outlook to them BEFORE marrying would be a good idea.

It is tough to give good advice I think, directly about this subject.  I too didn't care much about kids myself when younger, then later I did (I am a guy).

I second Mendy's advice to get some FSU experience first.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 09:53:37 PM »
Thanks for everyone's comments. On some level I think I may be fighting against nature here. After all, there's a reason I'm attracted to RW in the first place.

I am like a lemming, about to follow nature off a cliff and straight into baby town o_0.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 09:56:07 PM »
At your age this is too volatile in my opinion. I'd suggest that instead of marriage, you begin to visit the FSU frequently and gain some experience that might well save your bacon down the road.

What might be some examples of things that I'd learn from first hand experience?

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2015, 11:05:01 PM »
What might be some examples of things that I'd learn from first hand experience?

I don't have the experience that Mendy has, however, here are a few from my experience:

1. how to determine if she is being socially polite or truly into you

2. the different ways that men and women carry themselves and interact socially

3. differences in level of education, attitudes towards work, travel, family relationships, how they spend their spare time

4. what is expected of you "as a man" and what you should expect from a good quality girl (some are really excellent, some are horrendously bad)
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 11:27:12 PM »
I don't particularly want kids.



Be honest about that early on in your communications with RW so you're not wasting their time and yours. There are women who also don't want kids but the age of the women you're targeting, they can change their mind later on in life and you'll have to deal with it. I remember that issue creating a strain on someone's marriage here and is one of the reasons they ended up divorced. The wife changed her mind about kids. Regardless of things that you can't control, you can still find a woman you could marry and be happy with although it may not last forever.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2015, 09:49:44 AM »
It was Ken C who was about 50 when he married Lena who was about 20. She said that she did not want children but changed her mind when they were married for about 10 years.
 
 

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2015, 10:34:40 AM »
Kepler, why marry if you do not want children?  There are ways to bring RW to America without marriage, e. g., student visa.  Of course, a RW upon getting her degree paid for by you may decide she no longer needs you.

My age: 30
Potential RW age: 19 - 28 (?)

Keep in mind you may change your mind about children.  I was not ready at 30 but years later had two sons and now a granddaughter.  Family has been my greatest source of joy.  Repeat, FAMILY HAS BEEN MY GREATEST SOURCE OF JOY AND STILL IS.

What changed my mind?  Even though I  had led a full life with  noteworthy accomplishments, I did not feel fulfilled.   Then I met the right woman.  BTW, the  mother of my sons was not ready in her 20s and early 30s for children.  When I met her she was listening to her maternal imperative, and we  married about two years later.

If you are sincerely interested in RW, follow Mendy's advice.  Travel and meet many RW without being on a fast track to marry.  I suggest you approach educated  professional women.  As Muzh says, not many of these are on the MOB rosters, yet there are some.  You may want to consider women a little older than you.  A 35-yo RW without children quite possibly will be contented without having babies.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2015, 12:31:50 PM »
  You may want to consider women a little older than you. 

Then they would never pass the hurdle for K-1 or AOS from tourist or student visa.

He would be deemed to be not mentally stable.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2015, 01:53:54 PM »
Most of the Russian women I know want children. Even my wife's girlfriends who said they did not plan on having kids have all just had babies.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2015, 03:18:25 PM »
 :The original question do all RW want kids.
NO
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2015, 09:39:09 PM »
Then they would never pass the hurdle for K-1 or AOS from tourist or student visa.

Kepler, why marry if you do not want children?  There are ways to bring RW to America without marriage, e. g., student visa.  Of course, a RW upon getting her degree paid for by you may decide she no longer needs you.

I'm kind of lucky in that I'm an Aussie living in the US on an E3 visa. I don't have to worry about K-1's and all that jazz. Australians have a special visa, because we're special :). The E3D visa (partner visa) isn't too difficult to obtain because strictly speaking it doesn't express an intent to immigrate.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2015, 11:17:39 AM »
The wife changed her mind about kids. Regardless of things that you can't control, you can still find a woman you could marry and be happy with although it may not last forever.

I guess the question is: is it ethical to do this? On one hand it's not really deceptive if you tell them your outlook from the start. On the other hand, what do you do in this situation? It would be a massive slap in the face for them. "Go home - no kids for you.".

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Does every RW want children?
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2015, 02:45:32 PM »
:The original question do all RW want kids.
NO

That's the answer to any question regarding ALL RW.

RW come in every variety.

Some can cook a feast fit for a king, while others
set off the smoke alarm boiling water for tea.
Some can do advanced calculus in their heads, while others
can't count above ten without using their toes.
Some can sing like a choir of angels, while others singing
makes the neighbors dog cry as if his tail is caught in a car door. 

Finding a 20 something RW that doesn't want kids and won't
change her mind later is possible, but you won't know for sure
until later comes and goes.

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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2015, 03:27:05 PM »
That's the answer to any question regarding ALL RW.

RW come in every variety.

Some can cook a feast fit for a king, while others
set off the smoke alarm boiling water for tea.
Some can do advanced calculus in their heads, while others
can't count above ten without using their toes.
Some can sing like a choir of angels, while others singing
makes the neighbors dog cry as if his tail is caught in a car door. 

Finding a 20 something RW that doesn't want kids and won't
change her mind later is possible, but you won't know for sure
until later comes and goes.

Was sorta my point. If someone wants they can find.
People can speculate all they wish about age, what ifs,
big clocks etc, etc, etc. No one knows for sure.
Women may change their mind on children, they also may
change their mind about many things. No guarantees :)

Such is life.
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Re: Does every RW want children?
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2015, 04:25:15 PM »
That's the answer to any question regarding ALL RW.

RW come in every variety.

Some can cook a feast fit for a king, while others
set off the smoke alarm boiling water for tea.
Some can do advanced calculus in their heads, while others
can't count above ten without using their toes.
Some can sing like a choir of angels, while others singing
makes the neighbors dog cry as if his tail is caught in a car door. 

Finding a 20 something RW that doesn't want kids and won't
change her mind later is possible, but you won't know for sure
until later comes and goes.


Was sorta my point. If someone wants they can find.
People can speculate all they wish about age, what ifs,
big clocks etc, etc, etc. No one knows for sure.
Women may change their mind on children, they also may
change their mind about many things. No guarantees :)

Such is life.

Salient points.

Is anyone able to link to the original KenC thread? I'm having trouble finding it in my searches.

 

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