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RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2020, 12:38:36 PM

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
So this is just a subject I had been pondering a while. In the instance that someone gets with a FSW and has children, where do you think is the best place to bring them up the FSU or the West?

Assuming here of course a mix off the two could be a possibility.

I know a lot of people here might instinctively say the West but I think some of the nicer parts of the FSU could have some positive stuff going for it also.

In particular I really like the fact that a lot of the FSU still works on a basis off traditional male & female gender roles. No feminism of note screwing up society over their. Girls brought up to act like girls and with their shared norms & values. Boys knowing where they are supposed to fit in and what is required to get the girl. Now I'm not saying it's perfect, some girls are materialistic though if a guy has access to the West that's not necessarily as bad as it might first seem.

In the West on the other hand greater opportunities can exist, but so does feminism and with it a lot of people not knowing how they fit in and a lot of people competing against each other. In general a breakdown of many families and relationship problems, a growth of Incels, etc.

My own thoughts are if I ever had Children I think I would like them to be socialised in the FSU. I wouldn't likely want to live out there a long time but during the main socializing time would likely be a good idea, not sure when that is but I think 12-16 ish is probably the main time, from general pubity time I guess.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on May 28, 2020, 12:58:23 PM
Mercifully, I cannot see Trench's post, but I CAN  read the question  :ROFL:

Better you discussed this with the mother of your kids ...

Oh, wait a mo .. You've not found the mother, yet ..

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 28, 2020, 01:03:23 PM
Mercifully, I cannot see Trench's post, but I CAN  read the question  :ROFL:

Better you discussed this with the mother of your kids ...

Oh, wait a mo .. You've not found the mother, yet ..

Mobe, you know it's most ridiculous you arguing without even seeing now what you are arguing against, lol.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: BC on May 29, 2020, 02:55:07 AM
Trench,

More politely stated maybe: 'Putting the cart before the horse'.

It makes absolutely no sense to discuss such hypothetical situations that won't be actionable for some time to come, if ever.

You are again heading down that misogynistic fantasy road that inevitably leads nowhere and helps no one except maybe to impress yourself by reading your own posts over and over.

Suggest first finding a woman that would consider having kids with you and talk it over with her instead. I think you'll discover what you think won't mean squat...  After all, it is her uterus, not yours.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 29, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
Trench,

More politely stated maybe: 'Putting the cart before the horse'.

It makes absolutely no sense to discuss such hypothetical situations that won't be actionable for some time to come, if ever.

You are again heading down that misogynistic fantasy road that inevitably leads nowhere and helps no one except maybe to impress yourself by reading your own posts over and over.

Suggest first finding a woman that would consider having kids with you and talk it over with her instead. I think you'll discover what you think won't mean squat...  After all, it is her uterus, not yours.

So you think BC, discussing such with a woman only shows weakness. I will make sure I'm the one making the decisions here ;)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Davo on May 30, 2020, 02:23:26 AM
Trench is give up on Ukraine.... There’s way too much competition from
men who can provide a better lifestyle.

Southeast Asia is where you should go..... A few years ago a colleague who’s in his mid 30’s and doesn’t earn much more than you, met an attractive Filipino woman who’s a beauty technician....She’s now 32. She was a virgin when they met (strict parents waiting for the right man for their daughter) and now they have a 1 month old son. She seems a nice young lady and very devoted to her new husband.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2020, 05:25:23 AM
Trench isn't 'in to' Chinesy looking women ..

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on May 30, 2020, 07:35:42 AM
Trench isn't 'in to' Chinesy looking women ..

Genomic data indicate Han Chinese, Japanese and Korean people are genetically closely-related and derived their ancestry from a common gene pool.

Those living in Philippines however are part of the Malay group.

So they don't look so Chinesy .
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on May 30, 2020, 08:25:01 AM


So they don't look so Chinesy .

We are dealing with Trench's level of genealogy, not mine ..
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
Trench is give up on Ukraine.... There’s way too much competition from
men who can provide a better lifestyle.

Southeast Asia is where you should go..... A few years ago a colleague who’s in his mid 30’s and doesn’t earn much more than you, met an attractive Filipino woman who’s a beauty technician....She’s now 32. She was a virgin when they met (strict parents waiting for the right man for their daughter) and now they have a 1 month old son. She seems a nice young lady and very devoted to her new husband.

Davo, it's kind of my fall back. The Filipino look is not a bad one, dependant on the girl of course. Offspring that are part Filipino always tend to translate better towards the white aesthetic that Chinese or Thai I believe. Chinese or Thai one generation down tend to still look more Chinese or Thai than white, second generation down and most won't show as much. Filipino on the other hand one generation down don't tend to stand out as obviously nearly as much I believe. I have nothing against Chinese, I like their culture and have nothing against their look, but I find even part Chinese one generation down tend to come with certain attributes. I tend to to find while they are polite, courteous & civilised that tends to come at the detriment of fitting in as well socially in the often more vibrant white culture. Thai women I just don't tend to trust, they seem far too dodgy for my liking. Filipino women I do find are nice and soft and gentle, caring types as a generalisation. They also tend to have a great figure, slender with some being reasonably tall.

I get what you're saying though Davo, FSW associate Western Men as being able to provide a certain lifestyle. In short they mostly all think Western Men all live in a large palace style house, drive a prestige car and bring in big income, lol. Anything that falls short of that on arrival in the country and they'll likely be of to find a guy that can provide that as soon as possible.

However, I'm not quiet done with the FSU, I honestly do love the look off the women there. Ukrainian women in particular I just can't seem to turn away from, I find them just so beautiful if not somewhat fun time types. I think I've got a couple of tricks up my sleeve now that I would like to play and we'll see how it goes.

Sounds like you're friend did pretty well though so Filipino women are worth bearing in mind :)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 30, 2020, 03:25:40 PM
Other thing to mention of course is that Filipino women tend to be short. Apparently the average is a mere 4ft 11 inches. That's shockingly short and for a six footer like me not ideal. Even with a Ukrainian girl who is the Ukrainian female average height of 5ft 4-5 inches it can feel like I'm going around with a little kid sometimes lol, kind of a little embarrassing sometimes I feel. So as a 6ft guy it's kind of a bummer, I don't really want to feel like a giant and you tend to be down to certain sex positions in the bedroom. The more shorter a girl is/bigger the height difference the more awkward it can be. Even hugging, on a real short girl she would have her arms wrapped around my belly with her head resting probably at the top of my belly. That's a pretty odd situation, I think I would have to hope to end up with one of the more taller Filipino girls if I went for that option.

I know I can go for Belarusian girls. From what I have seen and commentary on You Tube they can often make better more stable wives than Ukrainian girls but the downside is that they can be boring, I've met one and while she could have been worse yes the more homemaker type does tend to not be an exciting type. That said that was kind of my original intention in looking for a FSW like that. However, there is something in the more racy Ukrainian girls that has a certain allure, they keep the game interesting, so perhaps I have come to like that kind of fun type of personality even though it comes with its problems.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on May 30, 2020, 03:57:16 PM
That's a pretty odd situation, I think I would have to hope to end up
with one of the more taller Filipino girls if I went for that option.

I've dated a zillion girls who were a foot shorter than I am. It's not that big
of difference. When I dated 5 foot tall girls then its a huge difference.
You can't put tab A into slot B and kiss X, Y or Z at the same time.


I know I can go for Belarusian girls. From what I have seen and commentary on You Tube they can often make better more stable wives than Ukrainian girls but the downside is that they can be boring, I've met one and while she could have been worse yes the more homemaker type does tend to not be an exciting type. That said that was kind of my original intention in looking for a FSW like that. However, there is something in the more racy Ukrainian girls that has a certain allure, they keep the game interesting, so perhaps I have come to like that kind of fun type of personality even though it comes with its problems.

Trench,

There isn't a typical Belarussian woman. There isn't a typical Ukrainian woman,
there isn't a typical Russian woman, Moldovan women, Romanian woman. 


None of them are more OR less anything than the other girls. They are pretty
similar but they still have girls who are Angels and they still have girls who will
kill you in your sleep and harvest your kidney's and everything in between. 

There isn't a short cut, there isn't a magic pill, there isn't a magic hunting ground,
there isn't an Amazon Island, there isn't any of the weird crap that you have rattling
between your ears.

YOU WANT A GOOD GIRL!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!
FIND A GOOD GIRL AND THEN GO TO HER WHERE EVER SHE IS

 
You need a good girl who will put up with you and the can of hyperactive
worms inside your head.

You've been given all this information many times and you aren't capable of
getting it.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 31, 2020, 08:04:45 AM
Bill, I tend to find the society & culture shape the women somewhat. Of course there are going to be differences and some will have particular traits through genetics etc.

Belorusian society is very orderly and controlled, crime is low and people know what happens to people that step out of line, so their behaviour and hence attitude will be affected by that. Contrast that with Ukraine and you couldn't have a more different society, Ukraine society is corrupt, wild & reckless things can happen, their is far less order & social control, mob control maybe. Women in Ukraine grow up in a society that is somewhat archaic, employment, uncertain economic conditions and old age provision are not good, scamming & crime are around. But society is loose and informal allowing for good fun to be had, boundaries are fewer and despite the not so great society decent people still exist.

A girl that is into me and a good girl are of course needed. I was just responding to a question above from Davo weighing up Filipino girls. For me it kind of makes sense to strike out for territory where I know the women won't be too far off basic criteria. I've no doubt that a great relationship could be found with a Filipino woman of 4ft 11inches or similar. The height issue would in that case not be something to ditch a good relationship over, but of course it would still be an inconvience. I could equally find a great relationship in Ukraine and if the height average is generally higher there one where it feels more comfortable height wise is all I'm saying.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 31, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
YOU WANT A GOOD GIRL!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!
FIND A GOOD GIRL AND THEN GO TO HER WHERE EVER SHE IS


This true, but I would say most girls dating online fall into two groups:

1). Real pretty girls, now they are there for a reason, guys have not generally passed over them, they have passed over the guys. They will want something in return for looking hot & being in demand. On the good end it's a lifestyle expectation - holidays abroad, being bought clothes, comfortable house/living, not having to work, etc. On the bad end they will be immigration mule seekers, money grabbers, scammers.

2). Girls who are under par. Basically they have been passed over by guys. It may be because they are fatties, ugly, lack social skills, quiet/shy, bad personality, or may have mental health problems, etc, etc. To be honest a lot of these girls are likely to be good, honest, genuine girls. Apart from the bad cases in this category of bad personality who are just not nice and girls with real bad permanent mental health conditions this category many girls could be found with whom a long term relationship could be found. They are unlikely to become the target of another guys attentions not seek another guy unless things get real bad in the relationship. The big downside is of course whatever problem (s) they had which made them so undesirable in the first place. Those problems could of course be passed onto any offspring.

Those that meet in day to day walk of life are probably for the most part likely to be moderate and dateable to many people. They are the ones that they guy won't suffer from in terms of being in either of the above category to my mind.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on May 31, 2020, 01:27:35 PM
This true, but I would say most girls dating online fall into two groups:

1). Real pretty girls

2). Girls who are under par.

Then you are doing it wrong AND pursuing girls who are too young.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on May 31, 2020, 01:41:55 PM
Of course there are going to be differences and some will
have particular traits through genetics etc.

BS

Belorusian society is very orderly and controlled, crime is low and people know what happens to people that step out of line, so their behaviour and hence attitude will be affected by that. Contrast that with Ukraine and you couldn't have a more different society, Ukraine society is corrupt, wild & reckless things can happen, their is far less order & social control, mob control maybe.

OMG, Belarus is every bit as corrupt as Ukraine and it's certainly not
less corrupt! 

Women in Ukraine grow up in a society that is somewhat archaic,
employment, uncertain economic conditions and old age provision
are not good, scamming & crime are around.

THEY ARE NEARLY EXACTLY THE SAME
The differences are so minute that they are immeasurable.
You don't think they have scamming in Belarus??

The only difference is that they don't have a marriage agency
industry like they do in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kiev and such. 

I've no doubt that a great relationship could be found with a
Filipino woman of 4ft 11inches or similar. The height issue
would in that case not be something to ditch a good
relationship over, but of course it would still be an inconvience.

I could equally find a great relationship in Ukraine and if the
height average is generally higher there one where it feels
more comfortable height wise is all I'm saying.

There are plenty of Filipino women who are 5ft 3 and taller.
72" (your height) minus 63" (her height) = 9 inches.
79" (my height) minus 67" (Angel Eyes height) = 12" inches.

You are so full of crapola! There is nothing you can't do with
a woman who is 9" shorter. I would have only been able to
date women who were shorter than 5' 10" if you were NOT
totally full of crapola, but alas you are.

There are countless Filipino women who are 5' 3" 

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NOTE TO TRENCH
Sit down before you read below
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Filipinas are far, far, far, far, far less inclined to get divorced
than ANY woman from the FSU. They don't even have Divorce
in the Philippines

That doesn't mean that they won't leave you or divorce you in the
UK, but it's far less a part of the culture than their sisters in Eastern
Europe.
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Go to the Filapina sites, use the search function to find girls who
are 5' 3" and taller and write a few letters.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Nightwish on May 31, 2020, 01:45:03 PM
This true, but I would say most girls dating online fall into two groups:

1). Real pretty girls, now they are there for a reason, guys have not generally passed over them, they have passed over the guys. They will want something in return for looking hot & being in demand. On the good end it's a lifestyle expectation - holidays abroad, being bought clothes, comfortable house/living, not having to work, etc. On the bad end they will be immigration mule seekers, money grabbers, scammers.

2). Girls who are under par. Basically they have been passed over by guys. It may be because they are fatties, ugly, lack social skills, quiet/shy, bad personality, or may have mental health problems, etc, etc. To be honest a lot of these girls are likely to be good, honest, genuine girls. Apart from the bad cases in this category of bad personality who are just not nice and girls with real bad permanent mental health conditions this category many girls could be found with whom a long term relationship could be found. They are unlikely to become the target of another guys attentions not seek another guy unless things get real bad in the relationship. The big downside is of course whatever problem (s) they had which made them so undesirable in the first place. Those problems could of course be passed onto any offspring.

Those that meet in day to day walk of life are probably for the most part likely to be moderate and dateable to many people. They are the ones that they guy won't suffer from in terms of being in either of the above category to my mind.

plain and simple bs, and this is coming from a serial looser like you who can't even score a proper date in either Poland or Ukraine - or UK for that matter..

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Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 31, 2020, 02:37:09 PM
BS

OMG, Belarus is every bit as corrupt as Ukraine and it's certainly not
less corrupt! 

THEY ARE NEARLY EXACTLY THE SAME
The differences are so minute that they are immeasurable.
You don't think they have scamming in Belarus??

The only difference is that they don't have a marriage agency
industry like they do in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kiev and such. 

There are plenty of Filipino women who are 5ft 3 and taller.
72" (your height) minus 63" (her height) = 9 inches.
79" (my height) minus 67" (Angel Eyes height) = 12" inches.

You are so full of crapola! There is nothing you can't do with
a woman who is 9" shorter. I would have only been able to
date women who were shorter than 5' 10" if you were NOT
totally full of crapola, but alas you are.

There are countless Filipino women who are 5' 3" 

*********************************************
NOTE TO TRENCH
Sit down before you read below
*********************************************
*********************************************

Filipinas are far, far, far, far, far less inclined to get divorced
than ANY woman from the FSU. They don't even have Divorce
in the Philippines

That doesn't mean that they won't leave you or divorce you in the
UK, but it's far less a part of the culture than their sisters in Eastern
Europe.
*********************************************
*********************************************

Go to the Filapina sites, use the search function to find girls who
are 5' 3" and taller and write a few letters.

There are some good plus points there Bill, but I think you are forgetting one thing. For US guys the Philippines is pretty much in your back yard, but for us UK guys it is literally the other side of the world. That entails an expensive plane fare and a long, long flight, probably around 24 hours or more on a quick flight.

The other factor is that I'm kind of invested in the FSU now. I've been learning the language (ok but still much more to do) and built up experience and knowledge out there. I'm pretty sure I can sort it now out there. I'm hoping to get out there around August time as the lockdown is likely to lifted by then and provisions worked through without having to be the gineau pig going through it all. I'm pretty sure I can have a good run of it now :)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: SteveInBoston on May 31, 2020, 08:25:16 PM
There are some good plus points there Bill, but I think you are forgetting one thing. For US guys the Philippines is pretty much in your back yard, but for us UK guys it is literally the other side of the world. That entails an expensive plane fare and a long, long flight, probably around 24 hours or more on a quick flight.

Ok, you have stated a lot of idiotic things, but this is in its own class.  Take a look at a map.

If you still can't figure it out : 

 - New York to Manila: 8,506 miles
 - LA to Manila:  7,292 miles
 
 - London to Manila:  6,672 miles

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Davo on May 31, 2020, 09:00:19 PM
Ok, you have stated a lot of idiotic things, but this is in its own class.  Take a look at a map.

If you still can't figure it out : 

 - New York to Manila: 8,506 miles
 - LA to Manila:  7,292 miles
 
 - London to Manila:  6,672 miles

Steve, you beat me to it..... SE Asia is in my back yard and America is on the other side of the world.

Trench.... Give waplog a go. It’s where my colleague met his wife. He said it has the typical long letter visa type scammers, but genuine women have the same online characteristics and behaviour like FSU women do.

Chatting to my Russian mate, he thinks you have no chance with women in Ukraine because of your income, being an introvert and it has the most competition from other men.
His home village is just outside Ufa and he thinks you would even struggle there because men earn more than you. His opinion is, your best chance is further east in Siberian villages where western men rarely visit. You’ll be the talk of the town and single women will go out of their way to meet you because of the novelty factor.

http://www.google.com.au/amp/s/waplog.com/%3famp=amp
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Shadow on June 01, 2020, 05:22:26 AM
Back to answering the original question. I actually have experience as my father had a very multicultural clientele. This question was often raised.The answer is: raise them where you want them to live as adults.
Children will pick up most of the culture during their school years. If you want them as adults to live somewhere, try to live there during their school years.This brings the issue that the culture of the children will be different to at least one of the parents, and there has to be a level of acceptance for this. Remember that children are influenced quickly and their mixed heritage will inevitably be touched upon during growing up.
Raise children when possible in both languages, so they will be reasonably fluent in them to communicate with both sides of the family. If you communicate with your spouse in a third language, do not worry, they will pick it up soon enough.
During early school, expectthe children to have less words in one language, this wil develop fast as in reality they know double the amount of words of their clas mates.


Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 01, 2020, 09:57:09 AM
Back to answering the original question. I actually have experience as my father had a very multicultural clientele. This question was often raised.The answer is: raise them where you want them to live as adults.
Children will pick up most of the culture during their school years. If you want them as adults to live somewhere, try to live there during their school years.This brings the issue that the culture of the children will be different to at least one of the parents, and there has to be a level of acceptance for this. Remember that children are influenced quickly and their mixed heritage will inevitably be touched upon during growing up.
Raise children when possible in both languages, so they will be reasonably fluent in them to communicate with both sides of the family. If you communicate with your spouse in a third language, do not worry, they will pick it up soon enough.
During early school, expectthe children to have less words in one language, this wil develop fast as in reality they know double the amount of words of their clas mates.

Indeed, some good points there Shadow. I think I would mainly want to raise them with an English background in the UK (i.e the West) and of possible in Dorset since parts such as Wales and elsewhere have a particular accent that can stereotype a person a lot once set in. I wouldn't really want to move from one region of the UK to another once settled as again a different accent can make it more difficult to fit in. The main native language would of course be English but I would want them to learn Russian from an early age as well and be proactive about sorting this. The Ukrainian language I see as not broad enough to be worthwhile in terms of future usefulness.

Now all that said and not withstanding trips to Ukraine or wherever I kind of also like the idea of them having some experience of Ukrainian culture & society more like a native than an occasional visitor, but at the same time not too a long a period of time. I don't see that being there at a young age would be that beneficial in that, not anything approaching a year or so at least. I see mid to later teen years as generally being more their choice if they hold a strong persuasion. I'm guessing that pre GCSE years would be best as then it's not disturbing them so age 13-14 at the latest. Now puberty happens around 10-11 yes old so anytime starting between age 10-13 for a year over there perhaps. That would of course depend on residency situation. Another way to do it could be to spend a few summers out there though that may not of course be quite the same.

The main issue here is to avoid the feminist clap trap that is taught in Schools along with the 'its ok to be fat' crowd. Career talk tends to happen around 14-16 age but that can't be avoided unless the child misses out on formal UK qualifications, so probably would have to stick around for that. Earlier socialisation for a female to avoid the rubbish they come out with on careers stuff would no doubt be handy. Thinking of this in terms of school structure I would put that as logically taking a year out 11-12 years for Secondary School or same year group again for Middle School. All other age groups in the UK education system are either starting a new School or the last year before moving up a School. That is all with the exception of the 10-11 age group which is probably starting too young for the experience to be worth the while.

So reckoning taking the child for a year out when they are 11-12 is probably best timing. If there are two or more children then just focus most on that age group for any female. Any make child would just have to know how much easier it is to get laid there and how much more attractive the women in general tend to be there. That can be done in a few brief visits, or a summer out there. The females need greater time I would feel to be brought up in a more feminine environment and avoid only knowing the feminist societal environment.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 01, 2020, 11:02:52 AM
There are some good plus points there Bill

The other factor is that I'm kind of invested in the FSU now. I've been
learning the language (ok but still much more to do) and built up
experience and knowledge out there. I'm pretty sure I can sort it
now out there.

I'm hoping to get out there around August time as the lockdown is likely
to lifted by then and provisions worked through without having to be the
gineau pig going through it all. I'm pretty sure I can have a good run of
it now :)

I was just shooting down your arguments for why not. I was also pointing
out that you fear some girl will marry you and then leave with your house,
money, future income and go live with somebody richer and more handsome
than yourself.

They don't have the divorce culture in the Philippines like they do in the
East.

I am not trying to convince you to go to the Philippines, you like what you
like and want what you want. I am all for going after what you want.

You need to be 100% concerned with finding a good girl. If you aren't finding
them then you are searching too young and will continue to have the same
problems until you change direction.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Shadow on June 01, 2020, 12:50:32 PM
Indeed, some good points there Shadow. I think I would mainly want to raise them with an English background in the UK (i.e the West) and of possible in Dorset since parts such as Wales and elsewhere have a particular accent that can stereotype a person a lot once set in. I wouldn't really want to move from one region of the UK to another once settled as again a different accent can make it more difficult to fit in. The main native language would of course be English but I would want them to learn Russian from an early age as well and be proactive about sorting this. The Ukrainian language I see as not broad enough to be worthwhile in terms of future usefulness.

Now all that said and not withstanding trips to Ukraine or wherever I kind of also like the idea of them having some experience of Ukrainian culture & society more like a native than an occasional visitor, but at the same time not too a long a period of time. I don't see that being there at a young age would be that beneficial in that, not anything approaching a year or so at least. I see mid to later teen years as generally being more their choice if they hold a strong persuasion. I'm guessing that pre GCSE years would be best as then it's not disturbing them so age 13-14 at the latest. Now puberty happens around 10-11 yes old so anytime starting between age 10-13 for a year over there perhaps. That would of course depend on residency situation. Another way to do it could be to spend a few summers out there though that may not of course be quite the same.
Please take note that Russian and Ukrainian, how similar they may be to the outsider, are now two distinctive cultures and languages.w
It is very easy to solve. MrsShadow talks to the chidrenon Russian, her native language. I talk to them in Dutch, my native language. Between each other we talk Engish.I am from the West and while I do not have the accent of my city of Birth, the accent is distinct from where we live now. The children are developing  slight accent but people will find it hard to place it as it has influences from all.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Boethius on June 01, 2020, 03:34:11 PM
Please take note that Russian and Ukrainian, how similar they may be to the outsider, are now two distinctive cultures and languages.


They always were distinct languages and cultures.  There are many similarities, and always were.  There is also an overriding Soviet culture, and many of its influences still dominate, some three decades later.


As for Trenchcoat, well, he is looking for something that doesn't exist, and if he ever finds a Ukrainian wife, I think long term, he will be disappointed.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 01, 2020, 04:25:47 PM
I was just shooting down your arguments for why not. I was also pointing
out that you fear some girl will marry you and then leave with your house,
money, future income and go live with somebody richer and more handsome
than yourself.


They don't have the divorce culture in the Philippines like they do in the
East.

I am not trying to convince you to go to the Philippines, you like what you
like and want what you want. I am all for going after what you want.

You need to be 100% concerned with finding a good girl. If you aren't finding
them then you are searching too young and will continue to have the same
problems until you change direction.

That's ok Bill I wondered if you were testing me a bit ;)

For sure I do have those hangs ups as I realise a guy can be punished badly in Western society for a screw up. I don't want to be one off those guys where he ends up in a room by himself while the woman walks off with house, kids, etc. Mobe's already  demonstrated how that one can go down.

I see the advantage of a Filipino girl in what you say but I don't see that at this moment in time at least it's the way for me to go. I'm kind of into Ukrainian girls in a way, Belorusian - Russian girls can be good but I kind of just feel it the most for Ukrainian girls, there's just something about them.

Watching some of the AFA socials on You Tube it makes laugh how old some of the girls are talking to girls in their twenties, lol. I realise it's much less likely to be the real deal the younger the girl is. I'll just have to feel my way forward when I line up some hopefully this August.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 01, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
Please take note that Russian and Ukrainian, how similar they may be to the outsider, are now two distinctive cultures and languages.w
It is very easy to solve. MrsShadow talks to the chidrenon Russian, her native language. I talk to them in Dutch, my native language. Between each other we talk Engish.I am from the West and while I do not have the accent of my city of Birth, the accent is distinct from where we live now. The children are developing  slight accent but people will find it hard to place it as it has influences from all.

That's a pretty good way around it Shadow :) I can see that it means both have regular exposure to both languages, three even. I think it's a great asset for children to be able to mix and move in both cultures so they can pick the best of both and have different opportunities that both cultures offer when they grow up.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2020, 12:41:37 PM
That's ok Bill I wondered if you were testing me a bit ;)

I'll just have to feel my way forward when I line up some hopefully this August.

Trench,

I wasn't testing you. You've brought this up yourself many times
in different ways including recently.

The age thing is real advice. The less you push the envelope the
more good girls you will find.

I've done this. I was 45 and pursued a very hot 24 year old in
Lugansk and I met her for her 25th birthday. I was very handsome
back then and we had a ten day sexual adventure and I thought
we would get married. It fell apart after I got back home.

I dated a 23 year old when I was 44. I have done all of this. I
am very experienced and very confident pursuing women. I could
make them laugh and their knickers would fly. I am telling you this
because it didn't work for me and I really tried and I spent more
money on it per year than you make in a year. ALWAYS in the end
it didn't work out.

You can ignore me and think that you know better but you don't.

Me when I started at 44 (I think)

Tell me you are significantly more handsome, more confident,
more experienced and could make girls laugh for hours.
(http://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18194868_1015543838578610_3794727221147597127_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=KpYzN4HyiJYAX8KUb8g&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=1a84176c43c728883b91e4428c7e3efc&oe=5EFAE4CB)


The other photo is me at age 45
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 02, 2020, 03:26:09 PM
Beel,

I was also 44 when I started dating FSU ladies ..

many of us got offers from hot early twenties lasses and simply never went there in the first place .. It's easy when you have daughters ( one of whom already hated you ) and would have (rightly ) thought, "ugh...."   

I dated a 37 year old with an 18 year old daughter when I was 55 .. she spoke 5 languages fluently, had  an EU passport  and liked older guys ..  but I just couldn't see it being a long-term thing ...  something I sought ..


Good to see you got it out of your system ;)

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2020, 08:08:08 PM
Beel,

I was also 44 when I started dating FSU ladies ..

many of us got offers from hot early twenties lasses and simply never went there in the first place .. It's easy when you have daughters ( one of whom already hated you ) and would have (rightly ) thought, "ugh...."   

I dated a 37 year old with an 18 year old daughter when I was 55 .. she spoke 5 languages fluently, had  an EU passport  and liked older guys ..  but I just couldn't see it being a long-term thing ...  something I sought ..


Good to see you got it out of your system ;)

Yes, I had to learn many lessons the hard way. That's why I am advocating
as I am so that newbies reading along can learn from my mistakes.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 02, 2020, 08:23:55 PM
Yes, I had to learn many lessons the hard way. That's why I am advocating
as I am so that newbies reading along can learn from my mistakes.

But on the other hand, many newbies (and oldies) would like to experience your 'mistakes.'
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 02, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
there are no mistakes
there's only learning how to succeed through trial and error

what's necessary for success?
understanding
a plan of action
persistence and patience

sometimes, the best way to secure a goal is NOT to head straight at it
because if there is too much resistance in this direction
than it is better to proceed in some other indirect path where there is less resistance

the first thing you should seek is understanding
without that, than the things that come after will be of less value than with understanding
understanding, is what you learn from acute observation
so always observe, and think about what you see
and then you will begin to understand what you see

Trench,
your personal struggles
are going to be overshadowed by the larger struggle the world is currently facing
instead of it being an obstacle
how can you transform it into becoming an advantage?
think about it as if your life depends on the answer to this question
because in reality, it actually does...

so sayeth the blind man
as he reached for his hammer and saw




Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 02, 2020, 08:58:54 PM
I have only dated one 20 something . . . but she was 19 years old for most of our dating time.

And I married her when she was 20 years and 2 months old.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 02, 2020, 09:14:29 PM
we search for perfection, but nothing is perfect
so we either end up with nothing
or something that is imperfect
the only way to be satisfied
is to no longer have the desire to search
for the things you want
and be content with what you already have
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 03, 2020, 02:32:47 AM
Trench,

I wasn't testing you. You've brought this up yourself many times
in different ways including recently.

The age thing is real advice. The less you push the envelope the
more good girls you will find.

I've done this. I was 45 and pursued a very hot 24 year old in
Lugansk and I met her for her 25th birthday. I was very handsome
back then and we had a ten day sexual adventure and I thought
we would get married. It fell apart after I got back home.

I dated a 23 year old when I was 44. I have done all of this. I
am very experienced and very confident pursuing women. I could
make them laugh and their knickers would fly. I am telling you this
because it didn't work for me and I really tried and I spent more
money on it per year than you make in a year. ALWAYS in the end
it didn't work out.

You can ignore me and think that you know better but you don't.

Me when I started at 44 (I think)

Tell me you are significantly more handsome, more confident,
more experienced and could make girls laugh for hours.

(http://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18194868_1015543838578610_3794727221147597127_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=KpYzN4HyiJYAX8KUb8g&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=1a84176c43c728883b91e4428c7e3efc&oe=5EFAE4CB)


The other photo is me at age 45

No to all of the above for me. It's true Bill you would trump me in every category. I'm an average everyday looking guy and judging by your photos you are a bit above me there, perhaps somewhere between me and Brad Pitt right up the top. The other categories you would surpass me on also. I could indeed see how if could did not make it last with a young girl, I would stand far less chance. However I think if you secured yourself an independent income and lived over there I'm guessing the relationships might have lasted. Sometimes it can be down to the specific people. I remember on the on the documentary, 'Love Me' there were a couple of guys who ended up in LTR with younger women, one I think was after a comfortable lifestyle the other was a little below par on looks in my opinion, she ended up having a kid with the guy, there was a sixteen year age gap, he was probably a little under par on looks also and not exactly charismatic.

I think though if we are talking attractive looking women for the most part then yes it's going to be a reach to get with one. I reckon you could probably settle down with one in the FSU Bill if you weren't already sorted there. For an everyday guy like me I think I would struggle on that front with attractive women, they would likely kick back and demand we don't live in the FSU or else, lol.

There is however one forum member here who may trump you Bill. BillyB got himself a very young lady and seems to be getting on with her fine, with kids etc. So he managed to make it work and apparently she is quite attractive. So how did BillyB manage it?
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: BC on June 03, 2020, 02:43:40 AM
2Tall,

Shazam... you look like Bill Clinton

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 03, 2020, 02:54:56 AM
2Tall,

Shazam... you look like Bill Clinton

You're right he does a bit BC and we all know how well Slick Willy did, lol :D
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2020, 03:05:55 AM

There is however one forum member here who may trump you Bill. BillyB got himself a very young lady and seems to be getting on with her fine, with kids etc. So he managed to make it work and apparently she is quite attractive. So how did BillyB manage it?
Get her young and nfluence through MIL.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 03, 2020, 05:09:56 AM
Get her young and influence through MIL.

Oh, I see, that's a pretty shrewd move on the part of Billy and worth remembering. Yeah of course if the MIL/parents have any interest in their child getting on, living in comfort and being in wealth then they can be a great persuasion on a girl, particularly if young. I recall on one of the You Tube videos I watched a while back that on one of these tours, not AFA, another lot that I don't think do them anymore, well one young girl was there with her mother. Her mother seemed basically of that mind that she wanted to find a suitable hook up for her daughter. She would have probably been better going to an AFA one as the crowd there was on the more lower, rowdy end of the WM spectrum.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 03, 2020, 09:15:25 AM
there are no mistakes
there's only learning how to succeed through trial and error

what's necessary for success?
understanding
a plan of action
persistence and patience

sometimes, the best way to secure a goal is NOT to head straight at it
because if there is too much resistance in this direction
than it is better to proceed in some other indirect path where there is less resistance

the first thing you should seek is understanding
without that, than the things that come after will be of less value than with understanding
understanding, is what you learn from acute observation
so always observe, and think about what you see
and then you will begin to understand what you see

Trench,
your personal struggles
are going to be overshadowed by the larger struggle the world is currently facing
instead of it being an obstacle
how can you transform it into becoming an advantage?
think about it as if your life depends on the answer to this question
because in reality, it actually does...

so sayeth the blind man
as he reached for his hammer and saw

This is well said advice Krim. Yep I try to observe and understand. The more older I get the more I realise what you say with observe and understand being true. Some people can observe well and I feel I have been improving on that over time especially with regard to FSU dating. Over time logically being able to slot together the pieces of the puzzle makes up the whole picture and things become clearer.

Well, I think it may still be early days as far as a lot of the FSU is concerned wit the pandemic. They were a few weeks behind us and reacted a bit differently with early lockdowns, Poland, Ukraine, etc.

In Ukraine the pandemic is still trudging along. I'm not sure if they have just delayed a big wave in cases coming as a result of their actions. We may have been through the worst of it now, a news report from Italy I was reading the other day was from a Doctor/Scientist who has been studying the virus and reckons weaker strains are now developing. I don't know if we will get a second wave, quiet possibly, but we'll have to see.

Ukraine still looks like it is going to have its economy hit hard:

http://www.intellinews.com/kyiv-blog-ukraine-battered-by-the-winds-of-crisis-but-still-standing-on-its-feet-184073/

I think women will certainly want to be parting their legs to get out of there. I think a lot of Ukrainians won't be finding much work in the EU, especially Poland as the crises reduces jobs and Poles staying back in Poland after the virus from the UK with the end of the transition period at the end of this year. I think that in all likelihood this may all add to the seriousness of Ukrainian women to go with a WM rather than just try and take him for a few bob's worth of stuff.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Boethius on June 03, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
I think women will certainly want to be parting their legs to get out of there. .  . I think that in all likelihood this may all add to the seriousness of Ukrainian women to go with a WM rather than just try and take him for a few bob's worth of stuff.


 :puke: :puke: :puke:




This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2020, 11:56:26 AM

I think women will certainly want to be parting their legs to get out of there. I think a lot of Ukrainians won't be finding much work in the EU, especially Poland as the crises reduces jobs and Poles staying back in Poland after the virus from the UK with the end of the transition period at the end of this year. I think that in all likelihood this may all add to the seriousness of Ukrainian women to go with a WM rather than just try and take him for a few bob's worth of stuff.
Gold diggers are everywhere. If you want one, just flash the cash. But it might take ore cash than you think to keep them.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 04, 2020, 01:26:36 AM
Gold diggers are everywhere. If you want one, just flash the cash. But it might take ore cash than you think to keep them.

Yeah, think you're right Shadow. I know I certainly wouldn't be able to keep up money wise if I even wanted to date such a girl which of course I don't. I don't think I would properly be able to feel it for a girl if I thought she was with me for the money. That said I realise that I need to have stuff going for me for women to be interested and be able to provide a better level of comfort than women are used to in Ukraine.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: BC on June 04, 2020, 01:44:16 AM
That said I realise that I need to have stuff going for me for women to be interested and be able to provide a better level of comfort than women are used to in Ukraine.

What they were 'used to' in Ukraine is totally irrelevant once they board their flight.  We all adapt to our new home environment.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 04, 2020, 02:36:26 AM
What they were 'used to' in Ukraine is totally irrelevant once they board their flight.  We all adapt to our new home environment.

Indeed BC, that's why it's imperative to get her pregnant early on  before decadent western feminist society works it's evil.

Likewise I believe as any children grow up it would be important to take them on a few trips in the FSU to give them experience of how men and women should be so that feminist society is not all they come to know. Females in particular need to be put in the frame I believe. As a girl approaches her teenage years seeing how women dress more feminine in the FSU would serve her well I think. Nice dresses, skirts and tops that show off her boobs is how teenage girls need to be socialised.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 04, 2020, 02:52:05 AM
Indeed BC, that's why it's imperative to get her pregnant early on  before decadent western feminist society works it's evil.

Trench is trolling, again ...

Likewise I believe as any children grow up it would be important to take them on a few trips in the FSU to give them experience of how men and women should be so that feminist society is not all they come to know. Females in particular need to be put in the frame I believe. As a girl approaches her teenage years seeing how women dress more feminine in the FSU would serve her well I think. Nice dresses, skirts and tops that show off her boobs is how teenage girls need to be socialised.

I can see what a wonderful Father and icon Trench would be ...
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: BC on June 04, 2020, 02:55:41 AM
Trench is trolling, again ...

No, that's called being an @sshole.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 04, 2020, 03:38:29 AM
Trench is trolling, again ...

I can see what a wonderful Father and icon Trench would be ...

I never troll Mobe, in the west such thoughts are now thought of as strange. In the FSU it would probably be the first thing on the woman's mind never mind the man.


I think so too Mobe :) I can think off no better way to set a young girl straight in a feminist society than taking her to the beach in the FSU and her seeing she needs to start pulling a bikini thong up her crack.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 04, 2020, 03:54:20 AM
Poor 'ol Trench..   

Stop trying to live other's ( real) lives ..
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 04, 2020, 04:10:10 AM
Poor 'ol Trench..   

Stop trying to live other's ( real) lives ..

You mean that is what you did! Good on you Mobers, you're ahead of me in the curve there :D

Good to see you back anyway, knew you could only resist seeing my posts for so long ;D
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Boethius on June 04, 2020, 01:22:39 PM
Indeed BC, that's why it's imperative to get her pregnant early on  before decadent western feminist society works it's evil.

Likewise I believe as any children grow up it would be important to take them on a few trips in the FSU to give them experience of how men and women should be so that feminist society is not all they come to know. Females in particular need to be put in the frame I believe. As a girl approaches her teenage years seeing how women dress more feminine in the FSU would serve her well I think. Nice dresses, skirts and tops that show off her boobs is how teenage girls need to be socialised.


I've been speaking to relatives in Ukraine the past week.  Unfortunately for you, Trench, all of them are making more than double your current income.  One is making $250 per day, not related to his education.  All of them have apartments, a few, state owned, meaning they are not responsible for any repairs, and those apartments are transferable to their children on death.  They also have dachas.  So your idea that you can con entice a woman to marry you, based on all the material things you can provide her that a UM can't, is delusional.

Women in Ukraine dress more provocatively not because they are not "feminist", but because the idea of a woman is different, and her shelf life isn't as long. If she wants a marriage, she needs to attract attention.  Furthermore, unlike your country, where rape is pretty common, it is not particularly common in the Slavic republics of the FSU.  That factors in to how women dress.


Ask most FSUM how much they "rule" their wives before assuming FSUW are compliant little housewives, living for nothing but to serve their men.

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 05, 2020, 08:10:50 AM

I've been speaking to relatives in Ukraine the past week.  Unfortunately for you, Trench, all of them are making more than double your current income.  One is making $250 per day, not related to his education.  All of them have apartments, a few, state owned, meaning they are not responsible for any repairs, and those apartments are transferable to their children on death.  They also have dachas.  So your idea that you can con entice a woman to marry you, based on all the material things you can provide her that a UM can't, is delusional.

Women in Ukraine dress more provocatively not because they are not "feminist", but because the idea of a woman is different, and her shelf life isn't as long. If she wants a marriage, she needs to attract attention.  Furthermore, unlike your country, where rape is pretty common, it is not particularly common in the Slavic republics of the FSU.  That factors in to how women dress.


Ask most FSUM how much they "rule" their wives before assuming FSUW are compliant little housewives, living for nothing but to serve their men.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Boethius are you telling me $250 per day is commonplace in Ukraine?

I assume we are talking after all expenses. Now I'm sure some people are making that, even some women. Remember though a lot of women work in low or very low paid jobs. Some will have the education for higher paid jobs but still aren't able to get in.

Kherson girl for example earned $180 a month in retail approximately. Particularly out in provincial cities in Ukraine this is probably typical. There are no doubt many girls in Ukraine like this. Those that are making way more aren't likely to be wanting to leave Ukraine or look for a guy abroad, though some might if they have had no luck at home.

I personally don't think I would fit in well with a woman earning a lot of money nor they with me. I do however think that I would be attracted to a woman who is not earning a lot. I just feel more comfortable in that socio-economic group as I find them more down to earth though of course that's not saying there wouldn't be any problems.

I would suggest that rapes occur less in the FSU because of the lack of feminism. Feminism causes the problem it seeks to irradicate. FSUM get what they want anyway and more importantly women grow up wanting men. If the women are going after the men at a younger age than in the west as marriage figures suggest the men don't need to target them, it the men who are being targeted ;)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Boethius on June 17, 2020, 02:34:11 PM
Your theories on rape are laughable.  Rape is far more prevalent in African countries, not exactly bastions of feminist thought, than they are anywhere else (with the exception of Sweden).


What women earn in Ukraine is irrelevant.  You have continually expounded the theory that you will find a mate based on poverty in Ukraine.  While many Ukrainians are indeed poor, they are not desperate.  They have many opportunities now that they did not have on the collapse of the USSR.  A woman who is looking to marry her way out of the country is one who is not going to stay with her mule.  A woman (or man) who truly wishes to leave Ukraine will do so on their own.  They don't need a spouse to escape Ukraine.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Steamer on June 17, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Where to bring up Children?

Not sure if this is still the topic but anyway:

My wife was quite successful in Moscow. She wanted to go immigrate to Europe so her son would have a better life. The US was not on her original choice list but became glad that she made that choice (me too).
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 18, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
Where to bring up Children?

Not sure if this is still the topic but anyway:

My wife was quite successful in Moscow. She wanted to go immigrate to Europe so her son would have a better life. The US was not on her original choice list but became glad that she made that choice (me too).


Quite, I don't mind if the topic wanders here or there though, lol.

For sure I think the US (minus feminism) is a great society with a lot of opportunity. I'm sure in the right place someone could really enjoy themselves in the US and do well. I'm guessing her son had learnt Russian by that time though, maybe even English? Probably already familiar with Russian society a bit so just assimilating into US society being the main deal?

I'm kind of intrigued at women that aren't interested in guys from the US on the outset. Kherson girl for some reason was only interested in UK or European guys. She had apparently been in a relationship with a Swedish guy a short time so I'm guessing European guys were alright for her. US guys apparently not so. I know she said she knew a work aquaintance in the UK who had met a UK guy and moved there. I'm not sure if that was it though. My thoughts are maybe it's the welfare state in the UK and elsewhere in Europe. In the UK the State Pension is pretty generous and pretty easy to qualify for. It won't make for a luxurious lifestyle but there won't be any cat food eating on it either unless that is the preferential food of choice.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 18, 2020, 01:22:11 AM

I'm kind of intrigued at women that aren't interested in guys from the US

The bollox they are fed on state media ..

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 18, 2020, 10:04:50 AM
The bollox they are fed on state media ..

Really? I'm surprised, what like?

I would kind of expect a bit of anti-US sentiment on Russian state media but Ukraine? I kind of thought Ukraine sees the US as an ally.

With Russia there was the poisoning stuff in the UK happening no doubt souring relations so I would be surprised if they liked UK anymore than the US.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 18, 2020, 11:46:41 AM
Sorry, I meant RU TV... In Kherson they can get RU tv from Crimea
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 18, 2020, 12:11:21 PM
Sorry, I meant RU TV... In Kherson they can get RU tv from Crimea

For sure but why then would a Ukrainian girl not want US guy but want a UK guy?
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 18, 2020, 12:42:17 PM
But does she FEEL Ukrainian ? ..
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 18, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
But does she FEEL Ukrainian ? ..

Feel Ukrainian?

Well she's a Russian speaking Ukrainian, maybe she might see herself as more Russian than Ukrainian. I learned she had Russian relatives in Russia. I get the impression her parents are probably Russian speaking as well, that type of area I guess.

I know she had no qualms about leaving behind those she knew in Ukraine when I questioned her, that I felt strange and wondered why.

Still I'm not sure why she wouldn't want a US guy as a result but a UK guy was ok.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 18, 2020, 01:52:42 PM
Putin and Trump operate from the same playbook
when they turn to the chapter on "Handling Pandemics"
it says, in the short term, "declare the Pandemic over and things will return to normal"
and in the long term secretly prepare the military for mass social unrest

so one day America really will look like Russia
and THEN Russia will look like America
we're already firmly down the path
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Steamer on June 18, 2020, 02:00:54 PM
For sure but why then would a Ukrainian girl not want US guy but want a UK guy?


Most women feel that going to the US would cut them off from everything since it's on the other side of the planet. UK and Europe are closer to home and not as 'different'.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 18, 2020, 02:48:29 PM

Most women feel that going to the US would cut them off from everything since it's on the other side of the planet. UK and Europe are closer to home and not as 'different'.

Yeah I think it would probably be something more along those lines. The US is a long flight away that would cost a lot if ever she wanted back or ran into trouble. The welfare state the UK and a lot of Europe has might also feature as well. I don't think she really ever saw working for the better money as a draw as I don't think she is very work orientated, she's more thinks that's the man's job. I'm fine with that but the set up needs to be right to support it or it can be pretty burdensome on the guy potentially I reckon.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 18, 2020, 02:52:37 PM

I'm kind of intrigued at women that aren't interested in guys from the US on the outset.

Some girls think that the distances involved are too much.
From Germany for example they could take buses or trains to see
Mamma when they get homesick. That's a little bit tougher from
Oz, NZ, Canada or the USA.

If you find a good girl, she will go anywhere to be with you.
Angel Eyes knowingly and intentionally moved to North Dakota
to be with me.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 20, 2020, 09:34:53 AM

Angel Eyes knowingly and intentionally moved to North Dakota to be with me.

Yes, but maybe she thought it was a northern county in Florida.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 20, 2020, 09:42:29 AM
Some girls think that the distances involved are too much.
From Germany for example they could take buses or trains to see Mamma when they get homesick. That's a little bit tougher from Oz, NZ, Canada or the USA.

On the other hand; it can be helpful to the continuation of the marriage that the woman (or man) not be able to easily 'run home to Mamma' after marital squabbles.

In my first marriage, we were both from the same town in the Midwest and lived in the Los Angeles area, and we were extremely poor for many years . . . couldn't even afford telephone service.

Had we lived in our hometown . . . our marriage would not have lasted a year . . . because of easy ability to 'run home to Momma.'
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 20, 2020, 02:34:15 PM
Yes, but maybe she thought it was a northern county in Florida.

She visited me in North Dakota twice before getting married.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 21, 2020, 08:12:03 AM
She visited me in North Dakota twice before getting married.

I was just trying to be funny . . . as you know.
I often leave out the smiley face because then the humor is more 'dry,'  for those who get it.  :-)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 21, 2020, 09:55:22 AM

While many Ukrainians are indeed poor, they are not desperate.  They have many opportunities now that they did not have on the collapse of the USSR.  A woman who is looking to marry her way out of the country is one who is not going to stay with her mule.  A woman (or man) who truly wishes to leave Ukraine will do so on their own.  They don't need a spouse to escape Ukraine.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

There are Ukrainian women that are desperate and my advice is not
to get romantically involved with desperate women. The problem with
desperate women is that they tend to act desperately and when they
are no longer desperate they tend to act normally.

Trench is hoping for a shortcut, a magic potion, a secret method, a
special formula that would land him a young hottie that will be happy
living around the poverty line and showering him with love and affection.

I have a hot wife who showers me with love and attention. I get that
a man wants that, I certainly do.

There is no secret path. Here is the path for all to see. 
1. Find a good girl who is into you because all success depends on that.
2. Once a man finds a good girl he has to win her heart.
3. Then he has to marry her a be a great husband* 

There is no Shangri-La or Elysian Fields in some country like Belarus,
but there are many good girls scattered all around Eastern Europe all
one has to do is to find ONE who likes you and is into you.

Trench is wasting his time trying to find a Themyscira filled with Gal
Gadots that he can pick and choose from. That place doesn't exist.



*Being a great husband is a good topic for it's own thread.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 21, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
I was just trying to be funny . . . as you know.
I often leave out the smiley face because then the humor is more 'dry,'  for those who get it.  :-)

I wasn't taking you seriously, just information for the newbies who don't
know my story.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Steamer on June 21, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
There is no Shangri-La or Elysian Fields in some country like Belarus,
but there are many good girls scattered all around Eastern Europe all
one has to do is to find ONE who likes you and is into you.


So the 'Island of Bare Naked Beach Bunnies' is just a myth??
Say it ain't so.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 21, 2020, 01:54:03 PM
have ya’ll ever noticed how back in the old days of wooden sailing ships
that they sometimes had a carved wooden icon image of a woman on the bow of the vessel?

today, on your 35‘ boat on the Moscva
instead of a wooden woman
you have a “sales associate”
who pours drinks
and lets you eat sushi off her body

sweet as honey

pretty much every 35' plus vessel has either a topless woman with visibly rock hard nipples as their cruise speed is 15+ knots or a completely naked woman!
I mean OMG!!!
the amount of naked women you will see on boats, on the shore, etc....
you will EASILY see 30 totally hot looking naked Russian chicks
during an afternoon on the river!!!
damn!!!

“In your mind because of your personal values.”

yeah, I’m a cynic...
who believes that people are REALLY ONLY concerned with their OWN interests...
yeah, how radical, huh?

Washington and Jefferson were both part of the colonial oligarchy
they were colonial America’s 1%
they had a dog in this fight
increasing local control and taxation and reducing regulation
or maintaining London’s Industrial, Taxation, control and profit over them
didn’t matter to some corn farmer or black smith
who they paid taxes to or the color of the uniforms
so long as they kept the French and the natives away!
Chic Alors!

manipulation of National Symbols
for political use....
is always how the 1% gets the 99% to do the fighting for them
by controlling the narrative
Gator is a perfect example of someone who has been TOTALLY brainwashed
by taking all the National Myths as being Real
they’re “Fairy Tales”
Fighting For Freedom
is like
Fighting For Peace





Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 22, 2020, 12:31:01 AM

pretty much every 35' plus vessel has either a topless woman with visibly rock hard nipples as their cruise speed is 15+ knots or a completely naked woman!
I mean OMG!!!
the amount of naked women you will see on boats, on the shore, etc....
you will EASILY see 30 totally hot looking naked Russian chicks
during an afternoon on the river!!!
damn!!!

STOP ! ;)

What is this all promotion of iron top-sailed craft with naked ladies ....?

FAR better, to be on a yacht ( 'sail-boat')  with aquamarine seas and the afternoon sea breeze having some of the same 'side effects' you suggest ... auto-helm and anti-collision warnings set... FAR less noisy, but less company.. if the skipper gets overly frustrated ..

(http://i.imgur.com/WBidGJVt.jpg)

Certainly no children on board ..



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 22, 2020, 03:46:39 AM
have ya’ll ever noticed how back in the old days of wooden sailing ships
that they sometimes had a carved wooden icon image of a woman on the bow of the vessel?

today, on your 35‘ boat on the Moscva
instead of a wooden woman
you have a “sales associate”
who pours drinks
and lets you eat sushi off her body

sweet as honey

pretty much every 35' plus vessel has either a topless woman with visibly rock hard nipples as their cruise speed is 15+ knots or a completely naked woman!
I mean OMG!!!
the amount of naked women you will see on boats, on the shore, etc....
you will EASILY see 30 totally hot looking naked Russian chicks
during an afternoon on the river!!!
damn!!!

Wow, Krim, that's a great photo :D I couldn't be more envious! I wish I were there, would love to have all that going on around me and be a part of it :thumbsup:
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 22, 2020, 04:37:23 AM
Wow, Krim, that's a great photo :D I couldn't be more envious! I wish I were there, would love to have all that going on around me and be a part of it :thumbsup:

While you persist with your current misogynistic attitude ...wishing and dreaming is all you have .. ((

You still think getting a women 'up the duff' will enslave her to you ..



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 22, 2020, 07:43:13 AM
While you persist with your current misogynistic attitude ...wishing and dreaming is all you have .. ((

You still think getting a women 'up the duff' will enslave her to you ..

Ah jealousy rears its head in our Mobes ;D Enjoying your time in blighty eh?

Now I know for some having woman with children will not bind her to him, but aside from the character of the man a lot of the rest is down to society and to the way the man deals with the relationship.

Society in the UK encourages women to separate from the man. They can take the lot if they go to divorce court, he will be striped of house and home as well as the children. All of that will go to the woman the man in most/many cases will be left in a bedsit or possibly homeless and just called upon to make child support payments, which even after making he still may not see his children.

Now a man that is more canny even in such a society as the UK that allows such a scenario to occur is to firstly not p*ss off his wife so much that she will want to divorce him. Secondly is too passively avoid going to places where she may be in bad company. Thirdly is to be the leader and not go out to be a dumbass and end up in a set up where the woman is leading the show.

Now not difficult is it Mobers.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 22, 2020, 07:53:25 AM

So the 'Island of Bare Naked Beach Bunnies' is just a myth??
Say it ain't so.

That one is true, but you have to have in excess of million
dollars in your checking account to visit.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 22, 2020, 09:38:28 PM


Society in the UK encourages women to separate from the man.
How?

Quote from: TC

They can take the lot if they go to divorce court, he will be striped of house and home as well as the children. All of that will go to the woman the man in most/many cases will be left in a bedsit or possibly homeless and just called upon to make child support payments, which even after making he still may not see his children.
Trenches guide to Divorce in England & Wales is it?

Trench huddling in his mums basement furiously surfing the Incel forums to reinforce his women hating views.
Why don’t you check out some family law while you’re at it. Who knows, you might learn something.
It’s a good thing he’ll never succeed in ‘getting’ with any woman, FSU or otherwise.

Quote from: TC
Now a man that is more canny even in such a society as the UK that allows such a scenario to occur is to firstly not p*ss off his wife so much that she will want to divorce him. Secondly is too passively avoid going to places where she may be in bad company. Thirdly is to be the leader and not go out to be a dumbass and end up in a set up where the woman is leading the show.

I’ve been away from the forum for a while and see that nothing much has changed.
Trench still trumpeting his theories on being a ‘man’ and how to keep hold of a woman.  :deadhorse:
 
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 22, 2020, 10:59:25 PM
Trench, you manage to unite posters who normally can;t agree on anything, even who those confused as to who / where they are...

Hello, DS !
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 23, 2020, 05:02:33 AM
Trench, you manage to unite posters who normally can;t agree on anything, even who those confused as to who / where they are...

Hello, DS !
Mobers, I’m not agreeing with you. Just pointing out TC’s idiocy.
 Just like I think you’re an Id**t as well.  :cluebat:
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 23, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
How?
Trenches guide to Divorce in England & Wales is it?

Trench huddling in his mums basement furiously surfing the Incel forums to reinforce his women hating views.
Why don’t you check out some family law while you’re at it. Who knows, you might learn something.
It’s a good thing he’ll never succeed in ‘getting’ with any woman, FSU or otherwise.
I’ve been away from the forum for a while and see that nothing much has changed.
Trench still trumpeting his theories on being a ‘man’ and how to keep hold of a woman.  :deadhorse:

How because the law is heavily weighted in the females favour. She KNOWS that in the UK she can take her man to the Divorce courts and she will get all of him and she can cut him out completely. Any move the courts make to allow the guy access into children's life won't get anywhere as she knows they won't take the children from her and she can weaponise the children against him in any case. No children that's ok, she'll still take as much as she can get, usually at least half of everything she hasn't worked for, lol.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 23, 2020, 09:32:39 PM
How because the law is heavily weighted in the females favour. She KNOWS that in the UK she can take her man to the Divorce courts and she will get all of him and she can cut him out completely. Any move the courts make to allow the guy access into children's life won't get anywhere as she knows they won't take the children from her and she can weaponise the children against him in any case. No children that's ok, she'll still take as much as she can get, usually at least half of everything she hasn't worked for, lol.
Have you ever read the law on Divorce in England & Wales.
You really should before making such ridiculous and idiotic statements.

Like I said, you’ve been on too many women hating Incel forums which spout rubbish like above.

If you want to be informed about Divorce law make a start by reading the following:
Quote
In the UK the starting point for dividing the assets in divorce is 50/50. However the financial settlement will usually be different in every case as it depends on the parties’ circumstances and their needs when it comes to deciding what they should each receive from the matrimonial assets. It is possible that one party will have a greater share.

The financial claims arise as a result of the marriage and its subsequent breakdown.

Understanding divorce can be difficult. If you need help with the dividing of assets in a UK divorce, please send us a message or visit our Yate or Chipping Sodbury offices near Bristol.

What are Matrimonial Assets?
Matrimonial assets or property is sometimes called the “matrimonial acquest” and is property that has been built up during the marriage (other than by inheritance or gift) and has been described as being the financial product of the parties’ common endeavour.

Usually the greatest assets are the matrimonial home and pension.

Resolve Financial Issues
The financial issues can be very difficult to resolve. The matrimonial assets which funded one household suddenly have to try to fund two households.

The court has the power to order a lump sum payment or other financial payments such as periodical payments which are sometimes known as spousal maintenance.

The court has a duty to try to provide the parties to be independent of each other as soon as possible. This is set out in section 25(A) Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 which provides as follows:

“(1) ……….. it shall be the duty of the court to consider whether it would be appropriate so to exercise those powers that the financial obligations of each party towards the other will be terminated as soon after the grant of the decree as the court considers just and reasonable

(2) Where the court decides in such a case to make a periodical payments order in favour of a party to the marriage, the court shall in particular consider whether it would be appropriate to require those payments to be made … only for such term as would in the opinion of the court be sufficient to enable the party in whose favour the order is made to adjust without undue hardship to the termination of his or her financial dependence on the other party.”

What Do UK Courts Need To Consider When Dividing Assets?
A Court must take into account the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 (and Civil Partnership Act 2004) which deals with the issues that the Court need to take into consideration. These include:

(a)  the income, earning capacity, property and other financial resources which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future, including in the case of earning capacity any increase in that capacity which it would in the opinion of the court be reasonable to expect a party to the marriage to take steps to acquire;

(b)  the financial needs, obligations and responsibilities which each of the parties to the marriage has or is  likely to have in the foreseeable future;

(c)  the standard of living enjoyed by the family before the breakdown of the marriage;

(d)  the age of each party to the marriage and the duration of the marriage;

(e)  any physical or mental disability of either of the parties to the marriage;

(f)  the contributions which each of the parties has made or is likely in the foreseeable future to make to the welfare of the family, including any contribution by looking after the home or caring for the family;

(g)  the conduct of each of the parties, if that conduct is such that it would in the opinion of the court be inequitable to disregard it;

(h)  in the case of proceedings for divorce or nullity of marriage, the value to each of the parties to the marriage of any benefit which, by reason of the dissolution or annulment of the marriage, that party will lose the chance of acquiring (typically a pension).

Income and Divorce
Each party is under a duty to maximise their income and so not simply rely on the other if they can be self reliant, either partly or completely.

However, there are times when one of the parties to the marriage is not able to work either due to health or because there are still young children to be cared for.

If they do not have an earning capacity this will affect other financial matters such as raising a mortgage.

Property Adjustment
The Court can order that property owned jointly by the husband and wife can be changed so that the property is transferred to the ownership of one or the other.

One Party Buys Out The Other

This might be where one is going to buy out the other, even if the money is not due to be paid for a number of years.

Young Children Need The House For Their Home

This might be where there are still young children who need the house for their home while they are still minors.

If the parent with care of the children can afford the upkeep of the property including the mortgage, the Court will preserve the property to continue to be the children’s home.

In that situation the other parent / spouse will have to wait for their share.

Payment Trigger Points
There are usually trigger points set into any financial order to provide for the payment due to the other party to be made on the first of various events that will happen in the future.

Typical events set into the financial order might be:

The marriage of the parent with care of the children,
or the youngest child completing full time education.
Matrimonial Home Ownership
Home Solely Owned by either Husband or Wife

The fact that the former matrimonial home is owned in the sole name of either the husband or the wife will not prevent the court from altering the ownership.

Lord Nicholls in the case of Miller v Miller, McFarlane v McFarlane 2006 said

“the matrimonial home, even if brought into the marriage by one party at the outset of the marriage, plays a central part in the marriage and so should normally be treated as matrimonial property”.

Home Jointly Owned & Mortgaged

If the jointly owned property is to be retained by one party and there is a mortgage secured on that property, it is possible that the Lender will refuse to release the outgoing party from the mortgage.

The court cannot force a Lender release anyone from a mortgage and so possibly both parties could continue to be named on the mortgage for many years where there are very young children.

In those cases the party who is to remain in the property may indemnify the other against all liabilities, but that will not necessarily prevent the outgoing party from having their credit rating affected should the mortgage payments not be kept up to date.

What are the Financial Needs of each Party?
The Court will consider each party’s needs, taking into consideration all the circumstances of the case:

The standard of living during the marriage
The age of each of the parties
Any physical or mental disability
The contributions of each of the parties, for example:
Any contributions that are made by one party over and above the other where significant might be taken into account.
Where one party has been the main wage earner and the other has been the homemaker, this will often be considered an equal contribution.
However even where there is a contribution found to be made, whether this is taken into account will depend upon the needs of both.

If needs cannot be met without taking that additional contribution then it will be ignored.

This is something that might need to be carefully considered.

Inheritance and Divorce
What happens to an inheritance in a divorce?

Assets obtained by one party as a result of inheritance may be considered separately to the matrimonial assets.

Any inheritance should initially be set to one side and if the matrimonial assets that have been built up in the course of the marriage are sufficient to meet both party’s needs then it may be that the one who has received the inheritance should keep it.

If needs cannot be met then some or all of the inheritance may have to be taken into account and distributed.

Pensions and Divorce
How are pensions divided in divorce?

A spouse may lose their spousal benefits in respect of any pension scheme of the other party. This may be where a couple have had the marriage dissolved.

This will immediately mean that the spousal benefit one party would have had to the benefits of the other’s pension will be lost.

It is for this reason that frequently the divorce should not be finalised until the finances have been dealt with.

UK Spousal Maintenance
One party to the marriage may be entitled to spousal maintenance which may be payable for a period of time or for joint lives. This will depend on the individual circumstances.

There is no specific method of deciding what level the spousal maintenance should be, unlike child maintenance which has a defined formula.

Departing from 50/50 Equality when Dividing Assets
Where one party will suffer financial hardship by the assets being divided equally, there may be a departure from the starting point of 50/50.

Typically as set out above, that may be where one party is still the carer for young children or where health has an impact on the potential for one party to earn sufficient income to meet their needs.

Divorce Financial Order
Do I Have To Attend Court To Achieve a Financial Order?

It is not necessary to attend court to achieve a financial order. Where the terms can be agreed, an order can be drafted and submitted to the court by post with a brief summary of both parties’ current financial position. This is known as a Consent Order.

The court will consider whether the order is fair in all the circumstances and if so will endorse the order and it will then become binding.

What Happens If There Is No Financial Order?

Without a financial order there is no binding agreement and it is possible for one or other party to look to the court for a financial order many years later. Neither party will have any financial certainty in that case with regard the potential claims the other may make against them.


Here you are spouting on about where to raise children but in the event you do find a woman to marry (highly unlikely ), then have children (remote possibility) and then the woman divorces you ( 100% certainty), would you not want your imaginary kids to have a roof over their heads, ie your mothers house. Safe to say this is the only asset you have so it would be right for any court to ensure the children of your marriage have a roof over their heads.
In that event, yes, you’ll find yourself in a bed sit somewhere, surfing the forums reinforcing your women hating views.

But the question is, why wouldn’t you want to see your children secure in their home and support them  by supporting their mother as the primary career?



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 12:37:13 AM
Have you ever read the law on Divorce in England & Wales.
You really should before making such ridiculous and idiotic statements.

Like I said, you’ve been on too many women hating Incel forums which spout rubbish like above.

If you want to be informed about Divorce law make a start by reading the following:
Here you are spouting on about where to raise children but in the event you do find a woman to marry (highly unlikely ), then have children (remote possibility) and then the woman divorces you ( 100% certainty), would you not want your imaginary kids to have a roof over their heads, ie your mothers house. Safe to say this is the only asset you have so it would be right for any court to ensure the children of your marriage have a roof over their heads.
In that event, yes, you’ll find yourself in a bed sit somewhere, surfing the forums reinforcing your women hating views.

But the question is, why wouldn’t you want to see your children secure in their home and support them  by supporting their mother as the primary career?

Because I would be little more than a unseen wage slave living in grotty conditions likely never being able to see the kids or very little. Now why wouldn't woman a women want to live in a grotty bedsit being a wage slave and not seeing much if anything of her children while I looked after them instead and took the house? Because she would not like to live like that either is the answer, it's a mean and despicable way to treat another human being yet many women are happy to do this.

The 50/50 starting point is a load of rubbish, that's only if the woman agrees and a settlement can be sorted out along those lines without going to court or if there is more than one house. Not many guys have more than one house in this country so won't have the option of you take one house I take the other. A woman knows she can take a guy to court and get the lot. She knows a court will rule in her favour for being the primary carer, why? Because gender equality is bs and they still see the female as being more suitable here merely down to her gender. That and there is a traditional bias here to be more favourable to the woman. A woman won't care in most cases if they ruin the guys life or he is made to live in sh*tty conditions as a result she will just care about taking it all and doing well out of it.

I know of many cases where this has happened. Ask our Mobers on here how his divorce went and what the results were. I think you'll find I'm right ;)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 24, 2020, 12:45:31 AM
WHY, do I see some of your daft posts ? ..

1/ YOU live in the UK and seek a women to bring here and 'enslave' having impregnated her ... You'll no doubt suggest this is just your 'SoH', but with you that's another issue

2/ I offered my stake remaining 40 percent until my youngest finished full time education ( or 1st wife remarrying) ..she fought for more and my offer was accepted... I regarded this aspect as being an enforced 'pension plan'

'Sorry' to disappoint you, Trench, but I remarried and ( once again ) did not seek any pre-nup..   If you agree to marry someone to me ..you're agreeing to share all you have, or don't get married ...

I'm afraid using me as an example was but another fail on your part ..

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 12:48:29 AM
By contrast with the social housing crowd again it's the woman who will get custody of the kids in most cases. She will then get a free flat or house, rent paid for on benefits by the government and a comparatively bigger place than a private tenant could get. Only if she is a hard drug user, etc might she not gain custody. She would basically really have to fail as a human being. The man meanwhile would be kicked out onto the streets, it's only where a woman dumps the kids on him that the situation would be reversed, but that rarely happens, too much incentive for the woman, it's often the reason why the woman got pregnant in the first place. Few have much intention of staying with the guy, his purpose would have been served.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 12:53:55 AM
WHY, do I see some of your daft posts ? ..

1/ YOU live in the UK and seek a women to bring here and 'enslave' having impregnated her ... You'll no doubt suggest this is just your 'SoH', but with you that's another issue

2/ I offered my stake remaining 40 percent until my youngest finished full time education ( or 1st wife remarrying) ..she fought for more and my offer was accepted... I regarded this aspect as being an enforced 'pension plan'

'Sorry' to disappoint you, Trench, but I remarried and ( once again ) did not seek any pre-nup..   If you agree to marry someone to me ..you're agreeing to share all you have, or don't get married ...

I'm afraid using me as an example was but another fail on your part ..

Your not still on the ignoring my posts theme are you Mobe, I thought we got passed that.

You prove my point. It's not fair for the woman to come along with nothing then expect to get half. It's only fair for both parties to leave with what they entered the marriage with, that is how it is in Ukraine. You have already told us you have no access to your children so you should know better than anyone how a guy gets done over by the marriage/divorce process.

Yes a wealthy guy can walk off and start over but not so for your everyday guy which is the majority of cases.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 24, 2020, 01:04:25 AM


You prove my point.

Naturally, I haven't .. read on, misguided foolish, chap..

  It's not fair for the woman to come along with nothing then expect to get half.

In my case she ( correctly ) got the family home roof over her head ...( well I agreed for her to sell it and buy a smaller place and do it up ) and I'd get 40 percent of the value of the first place ( allowing for inflation ) when either of the criteria previously came to pass, I'd get my 40 percent back ..

She'd still 'come in with nothing' and leave with 60 percent .... *I* think if you can't accept that .. and your previous posts suggest that.. then marriage and having kids isn't for you ...   

It's only fair for both parties to leave with what they entered the marriage with, that is how it is in Ukraine.

You're in the UK and she'll know where to divorce you!

You have already told us you have no access to your children so you should know better than anyone how a guy gets done over by the marriage/divorce process.

I had issues seeing my kids and the Family Courts kept ruling in my favour...  1st Wife has/had to deal with any issues she'd created with our daughters on that score, but it STILL doesn't alter the fact that your attitude and using me as an 'example' was mistaken.


Yes a wealthy guy can walk off and start over but not so for your everyday guy which is the majority of cases.

Only if he 'hides' his assets in overseas firms in which it's hard to prove he's got an interest ..
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 24, 2020, 01:27:59 AM
Because I would be little more than a unseen wage slave living in grotty conditions likely never being able to see the kids or very little. Now why wouldn't woman a women want to live in a grotty bedsit being a wage slave and not seeing much if anything of her children while I looked after them instead and took the house? Because she would not like to live like that either is the answer, it's a mean and despicable way to treat another human being yet many women are happy to do this.

The 50/50 starting point is a load of rubbish, that's only if the woman agrees and a settlement can be sorted out along those lines without going to court or if there is more than one house. Not many guys have more than one house in this country so won't have the option of you take one house I take the other. A woman knows she can take a guy to court and get the lot. She knows a court will rule in her favour for being the primary carer, why? Because gender equality is bs and they still see the female as being more suitable here merely down to her gender. That and there is a traditional bias here to be more favourable to the woman. A woman won't care in most cases if they ruin the guys life or he is made to live in sh*tty conditions as a result she will just care about taking it all and doing well out of it.

I know of many cases where this has happened. Ask our Mobers on here how his divorce went and what the results were. I think you'll find I'm right ;)
The issue really is that you are a low wage earner who lives at subsistence level and can’t afford to live solo let alone take on the responsibility of a wife and family.
The key word being ‘responsibility’.

You frame anecdotal accounts of a few divorces to embellish your ideas of the divorce laws in this country.
Forget about Moby, I was a divorcee. My ex didn’t take me to the cleaners. We had agreed mutually satisfactory arrangements for the care of our children and mutually satisfactory financial arrangements without involving the courts. We all had a roof over our head.
The law only steps in where there are disputes. Outside of that everything can be agreed prior to the final dissolution of a marriage and endorsed by the court.
Of course, you don’t see a marriage as a partnership, just that women are out to get everything they can from wherever.

You’re the problem, not women.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 24, 2020, 01:41:44 AM
By contrast with the social housing crowd again it's the woman who will get custody of the kids in most cases. She will then get a free flat or house, rent paid for on benefits by the government and a comparatively bigger place than a private tenant could get. Only if she is a hard drug user, etc might she not gain custody. She would basically really have to fail as a human being. The man meanwhile would be kicked out onto the streets, it's only where a woman dumps the kids on him that the situation would be reversed, but that rarely happens, too much incentive for the woman, it's often the reason why the woman got pregnant in the first place. Few have much intention of staying with the guy, his purpose would have been served.
All I see are sour grapes.
You resent that you earn a low wage and have to pay for the basics. At your age, you should be at the prime earning capacity in your life and yet, here you are, whining about how you’ll end up sad,lonely and penniless in a bedsit after your imaginary wife takes you for all you have after dumping you for a better model.

Guess what, Trench, you’re already there, without even getting married.
You’re sad, you’re lonely and you’re penniless.

So nothing to worry about really.

Again, you just display your ignorance of how the law actually works in regards to divorce settlements and children’s arrangements, which, btw, are not ‘custody’ as you frame it but the terminology used is ‘residency’.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 03:47:06 AM
All I see are sour grapes.
You resent that you earn a low wage and have to pay for the basics. At your age, you should be at the prime earning capacity in your life and yet, here you are, whining about how you’ll end up sad,lonely and penniless in a bedsit after your imaginary wife takes you for all you have after dumping you for a better model.

Guess what, Trench, you’re already there, without even getting married.
You’re sad, you’re lonely and you’re penniless.

So nothing to worry about really.

Again, you just display your ignorance of how the law actually works in regards to divorce settlements and children’s arrangements, which, btw, are not ‘custody’ as you frame it but the terminology used is ‘residency’.

I know how the law works JG, never mind you terminology rubbish. I merely state how it works and how it is unfair. I'm quite happy with my state of affairs at present thank you.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 24, 2020, 04:19:25 AM
I know how the law works JG, never mind you terminology rubbish. I merely state how it works and how it is unfair. I'm quite happy with my state of affairs at present thank you.
Ah, touched a nerve there, I see.
 It’s pretty obvious you haven’t a clue how the law works, as you interpret it through the prism of your extreme bias, nor have you any lived experience of it.

So, if you try and screw a former partner out of a fair settlement then expect to get screwed in return.

You haven’t any experience of relationships, come to think of it, so all your theorizing and BS about relationships and ‘getting’ a woman is just that. BS.

You’re welcome.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Lily on June 24, 2020, 06:25:06 AM
In the West on the other hand greater opportunities can exist, but so does feminism and with it a lot of people not knowing how they fit in and a lot of people competing against each other. In general a breakdown of many families and relationship problems, a growth of Incels, etc.

My own thoughts are if I ever had Children I think I would like them to be socialised in the FSU. I wouldn't likely want to live out there a long time but during the main socializing time would likely be a good idea, not sure when that is but I think 12-16 ish is probably the main time, from general pubity time I guess.

No children on my own, and no relevant experience whatsoever. Having said that, I tend to agree with your thoughts about a better chance to probably let them grow in the FSU.

My thoughts are that it would make sense to let them grow, and being educated, in the FSU. Despite changes, the country should still have a firm memory about the classic Soviet education that was aimed at the relatively high standards. The free market has made an impact, but hopefully the culture of fundamental knowledge, European manners, etc. is still alive.

Another point that you have mentioned is a gender identification. Yes girls and boys were brought up with a solid basic idea of what is expected of them as a man or woman. Unless the young person has a substantially rebellious character and protests against traditions, he or she will likely grow up with a good grasp of what does it take to succeed as a woman or man. And probably it goes more for girls rather than boys.

The opportunities I life that you have mentioned are clearly a distinct feature of the Western society. That is why some of us prefer progressive West to traditional East. With a great FSU formation and education, wouldn't it be great for a young adult to use them later in the West, hopefully with a better benefit? I believe yes.

My thoughts are that what I have said above would rather be good for families with rather modest means. If a family can afford sending their offspring to some of the best educational establishments in the West, by all means they should do so and to take advantage of it. There is a very true saying, the Western highs are higher, but the lows are lower than those of the FSU.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: BillyB on June 24, 2020, 07:54:54 AM
With a great FSU formation and education, wouldn't it be great for a young adult to use them later in the West, hopefully with a better benefit? I believe yes.


I'm not impressed with public education in America but there are private schools here that do a better job teaching kids and installing discipline. The more tools and education a child has, the greater the chances they will excel in life. In the below link is household income of various ethnic groups. FSU Americans have greater household incomes than Americans born in America. Most ethic groups do. Out of 76 groups, Americans born in America rank 61. Nowhere in the world can so many minority groups do better than the majority who was born there. This year America is doing a Census. It'll be interesting to see the new rankings when they come out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Lily on June 24, 2020, 09:27:03 AM
I'm not impressed with public education in America but there are private schools here that do a better job teaching kids and installing discipline. The more tools and education a child has, the greater the chances they will excel in life. In the below link is household income of various ethnic groups. FSU Americans have greater household incomes than Americans born in America. Most ethic groups do. Out of 76 groups, Americans born in America rank 61. Nowhere in the world can so many minority groups do better than the majority who was born there. This year America is doing a Census. It'll be interesting to see the new rankings when they come out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Hope you and wifey are doing well these days Billy!

That link proves the point that some best and brightest people in the world tend to emigrate for a better life.

It would be interesting to see a similar ranking for Canada. Unlike the US, this country has been capitalizing on professional immigrants for decades.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 24, 2020, 09:38:12 AM
I'm not impressed with public education in America but there are private schools here that do a better job teaching kids and installing discipline.

I am not generally in favor of private schools or trying to send your children to any school outside assigned area . . . except if it is to attend a 'Magnet School.'   Magnet Schools are those that specialize (generally in math and science) and require entrance exams, etc.

I think it is just a big excuse that children fail because of school, teacher, etc.
Now 'dangerous' schools are another matter; but you (as parent) shouldn't be living in those areas anyway.

I went to one room school houses for several of my years up through 8th grade.
One teacher, teaching 9 grades and several subjects.

I feel the same about spending extra to send kids to prestigious colleges for undergraduate study.
Send to local Community College for first two years and then closest University with in-state tuition (you can often go to adjacent state and pay in-state tuition) to get BS/BA.

Get excellent grades for BS/BA, do the required outside activities to show your 'breadth,' and then get into best graduate school possible for Masters.

This route will save $100,000 or more . . . and get person to same end point.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 11:09:51 AM
No children on my own, and no relevant experience whatsoever. Having said that, I tend to agree with your thoughts about a better chance to probably let them grow in the FSU.

My thoughts are that it would make sense to let them grow, and being educated, in the FSU. Despite changes, the country should still have a firm memory about the classic Soviet education that was aimed at the relatively high standards. The free market has made an impact, but hopefully the culture of fundamental knowledge, European manners, etc. is still alive.

Another point that you have mentioned is a gender identification. Yes girls and boys were brought up with a solid basic idea of what is expected of them as a man or woman. Unless the young person has a substantially rebellious character and protests against traditions, he or she will likely grow up with a good grasp of what does it take to succeed as a woman or man. And probably it goes more for girls rather than boys.

The opportunities I life that you have mentioned are clearly a distinct feature of the Western society. That is why some of us prefer progressive West to traditional East. With a great FSU formation and education, wouldn't it be great for a young adult to use them later in the West, hopefully with a better benefit? I believe yes.

My thoughts are that what I have said above would rather be good for families with rather modest means. If a family can afford sending their offspring to some of the best educational establishments in the West, by all means they should do so and to take advantage of it. There is a very true saying, the Western highs are higher, but the lows are lower than those of the FSU.

You've got some good points I think Lily. If I had children particularly with part FSU parentage I would kind of like them to spend some time growing up out there. Fundamentals in eduation sound good to me. In the west there can be a lot of waffling on by academics, teachers who get carried away on material that will highly likely be off little use to the majority of students, then there are subjects taught that again are likely to be off little use. Moreso handy is the men and women being socialized right and as you point out knowing what they are supposed to do and be in regards to their gender and how to act towards each other :)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: BillyB on June 24, 2020, 11:28:35 AM
Hope you and wifey are doing well these days Billy!

That link proves the point that some best and brightest people in the world tend to emigrate for a better life.

It would be interesting to see a similar ranking for Canada. Unlike the US, this country has been capitalizing on professional immigrants for decades.

Everything is great. She loves me more today than the day we got married.  Although some claim Trump is anti immigrant, he has increased the amount of visas for professional immigrants so we can drain the brains of other nations. America will see a benefit from that. Canada has done a good job attracting quality immigrants, they got you before America did.


I think it is just a big excuse that children fail because of school, teacher, etc.
Now 'dangerous' schools are another matter; but you (as parent) shouldn't be living in those areas anyway.


It's natural for kids to try to get away with doing the minimum as possible. Parents are important but our institutions need to install discipline and insist they do more. Push push push. When the become adults and get pushed out of the nest, they are on their own. Hopefully they have strong wings when that happens. I love America but I do think FSU education has done certain things better and prepared the kids to succeed. They may not succeed in the FSU but when they come to America, they will do better than the average American.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Steamer on June 24, 2020, 11:35:53 AM
Although some claim Trump is anti immigrant, he has increased the amount of visas for professional immigrants so we can drain the brains of other nations. America will see a benefit from that. Canada has done a good job attracting quality immigrants, they got you before America did.


I believe that Trump is anti illegal immigrant.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 12:11:41 PM
I am not generally in favor of private schools or trying to send your children to any school outside assigned area . . . except if it is to attend a 'Magnet School.'   Magnet Schools are those that specialize (generally in math and science) and require entrance exams, etc.

I think it is just a big excuse that children fail because of school, teacher, etc.
Now 'dangerous' schools are another matter; but you (as parent) shouldn't be living in those areas anyway.

I went to one room school houses for several of my years up through 8th grade.
One teacher, teaching 9 grades and several subjects.

I feel the same about spending extra to send kids to prestigious colleges for undergraduate study.
Send to local Community College for first two years and then closest University with in-state tuition (you can often go to adjacent state and pay in-state tuition) to get BS/BA.

Get excellent grades for BS/BA, do the required outside activities to show your 'breadth,' and then get into best graduate school possible for Masters.

This route will save $100,000 or more . . . and get person to same end point.

I'm not really one in favour of private schools. In the UK private schools can run the risk of cutting kids if from the rest of society. At worst it can make them not very street wise and the other main negative is that it can give them a posh accent. Now maybe some US guys & girls might dig that but in the UK it can really confine those that sound posh to the posh crowd. So while that may sound not so bad on the face of it I always see it as them being out of sync with the majority of British society and not well taken too when they come into contact with the majority of us. Now not all private school kids have that but a lot of them do.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 24, 2020, 01:43:26 PM
I'm not really one in favour of private schools. In the UK private schools can run the risk of cutting kids if from the rest of society. At worst it can make them not very street wise and the other main negative is that it can give them a posh accent. Now maybe some US guys & girls might dig that but in the UK it can really confine those that sound posh to the posh crowd. So while that may sound not so bad on the face of it I always see it as them being out of sync with the majority of British society and not well taken too when they come into contact with the majority of us. Now not all private school kids have that but a lot of them do.
More hogwash.
Trench, my kids go to private school.
I’d hazard a guess that you have a chip on your shoulder against any kind of perceived privilege that you could never afford.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 24, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
I'm not really one in favour of private schools. In the UK private schools can run the risk of cutting kids if from the rest of society. At worst it can make them not very street wise and the other main negative is that it can give them a posh accent. Now maybe some US guys & girls might dig that but in the UK it can really confine those that sound posh to the posh crowd. So while that may sound not so bad on the face of it I always see it as them being out of sync with the majority of British society and not well taken too when they come into contact with the majority of us. Now not all private school kids have that but a lot of them do.

Complete tosh.

Private schools attract the brightest kids from the most productive members of society.

You have simply identified yourself as either a Labour voter, a member of the underclass, or both.

More hogwash.
Trench, my kids go to private school.
I’d hazard a guess that you have a chip on your shoulder against any kind of perceived privilege that you could never afford.

This. The left think like that. Sad that they never aspire beyond state schools and two up two down houses in rag arse areas.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 24, 2020, 04:38:16 PM
Sad that they never aspire beyond state schools and two up two down houses in rag arse areas.

What is two up two down houses?

I agree with the rest of your post
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 24, 2020, 11:25:31 PM
Complete tosh.

Private schools attract the brightest kids from the most productive members of society.

You have simply identified yourself as either a Labour voter, a member of the underclass, or both.

This. The left think like that. Sad that they never aspire beyond state schools and two up two down houses in rag arse areas.

Another feature of private schools is that the kids are there because their parents have paid for them to be their. There is no academic qualification to entry like Grammar Schools merely how much money you have in your wallet. Therefore it cannot be qualified whether or how intelligent the intake are. In general the view has been formed that as they are paying their way in they lack the academic ability to pass exams for Grammar School. That and favours are done to make it easier for them to achieve academically by going the private school route as opposed to state comprehensive schools (or their modern day equivalent).
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 24, 2020, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: Manny
You have simply identified yourself as either a Labour voter,
It’s noticeable though that many members of the labour hierarchy choose to send their kids to private schools.
How many of the labour front benches are privately educated?

Of course they don’t want that for the rank and file, oh no, for them it’s the local comprehensive teaching labour ‘values’ that must suffice.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 24, 2020, 11:48:58 PM
What is two up two down houses?

A very small house, joined to others each side, with typically 4 rooms total.

Another feature of private schools is that the kids are there because their parents have paid for them to be their. There is no academic qualification to entry like Grammar Schools merely how much money you have in your wallet. Therefore it cannot be qualified whether or how intelligent the intake are. In general the view has been formed that as they are paying their way in they lack the academic ability to pass exams for Grammar School. That and favours are done to make it easier for them to achieve academically by going the private school route as opposed to state comprehensive schools (or their modern day equivalent).

Wrong again. My daughter is going to a private grammar this year. In order to be able to do so she passed the 11 plus exam. Private grammars are selective.

But here’s a thing: in order to be able to pay for any private school, you need money. To get that money you’d usually need to be quite smart. Thus it’s likely your kids will be quite smart too. Giving smart kids a better chance at life via a better education elevates them above the riffraff.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 24, 2020, 11:56:12 PM

Wrong again. My daughter is going to a private grammar this year. In order to be able to do so she passed the 11 plus exam. Private grammars are selective.

and WHERE did she attend school before ( Private or state school ) bearing in mind your 'lecture' to Trench ?

But here’s a thing: in order to be able to pay for any private school, you need money. To get that money you’d usually need to be quite smart. Thus it’s likely your kids will be quite smart too. Giving smart kids a better chance at life via a better education elevates them above the riffraff.

Hmm, your  ( truthful) answer to my question will make the above paragraph 'interesting' ..

WHY do you always fail re ASSuming everyone who doesn't agree with you must be a 'socialist'?;)

Trench, did YOU vote Labour last time ? ;)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 25, 2020, 12:00:12 AM
Another feature of private schools is that the kids are there because their parents have paid for them to be their.
Duh. Of course parents pay. It’s selective education. It’s because they want the best opportunities for their children. You won’t get that down your local comprehensive.

Quote from: TC

There is no academic qualification to entry like Grammar Schools merely how much money you have in your wallet. Therefore it cannot be qualified whether or how intelligent the intake are. In general the view has been formed that as they are paying their way in they lack the academic ability to pass exams for Grammar School.
Wrong.
Selective schools want the best students. They have entrance tests and take the cream of the crop. Most are high achievers and go on to red brick and top universities around the world which are highly competitive.
Quote from: TC
That and favours are done to make it easier for them to achieve academically by going the private school route as opposed to state comprehensive schools (or their modern day equivalent).
More sour grapes from you.
Ask yourself why half of China wants to send their only child to a British private school? It’s because they understand and appreciate the value a selective education gives in a competitive world.

You’re just a cheapskate wanting something for nothing then moaning about the ability of wealthier people to buy the best that they can afford for their children.
If your (imaginary) child was offered a free place at a private school you’d jump at the chance, no doubt.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 12:14:13 AM
It’s noticeable though that many members of the labour hierarchy choose to send their kids to private schools.
How many of the labour front benches are privately educated?

Of course they don’t want that for the rank and file, oh no, for them it’s the local comprehensive teaching labour ‘values’ that must suffice.

It's because they know you get no favours done for you in a comprehensive school, if they are rich and influential enough they may get a few bit that pails in comparison to the favours private schools do for their children.

I've seen private school kids when I was at uni. They got top marks for doing mediocre work, something dodgy was going on for sure, other students were aware that their work was pretty mediocre. Never quite found out why, a back hander to the uni and or lecturer(s) maybe, work marked easier as a result of being an ex-private school kid, who knows. There was definitely something suspect going on though.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 12:16:08 AM

Selective schools want the best students. They have entrance tests and take the cream of the crop.

What do you mean by selective ?

In Manny's daughter's case she passed the 11 plus on her on merit .  Unless she's won a scholarship... Manny will pay ... they need money ..and especially now..

Many private schools are being less selective..and accepting a higher proportion of foreign students to balance the books .



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 25, 2020, 12:18:34 AM
Some words

I’ll not be engaging with you here.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 12:20:18 AM
I’ll not be engaging with you here.

Of course..

I understand .. answering awkward questions is something you can't bury here..
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 25, 2020, 12:22:10 AM
Another feature of private schools is that the kids are there because their parents have paid for them to be their.

Another feature of private schools is their pupils are likely to know the difference between their, there and they’re at an early age. This makes one less likely to look a twerp when attempting to communicate in later life.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 12:29:20 AM
Duh. Of course parents pay. It’s selective education. It’s because they want the best opportunities for their children. You won’t get that down your local comprehensive.
Wrong.
Selective schools want the best students. They have entrance tests and take the cream of the crop. Most are high achievers and go on to red brick and top universities around the world which are highly competitive. More sour grapes from you.
Ask yourself why half of China wants to send their only child to a British private school? It’s because they understand and appreciate the value a selective education gives in a competitive world.

You’re just a cheapskate wanting something for nothing then moaning about the ability of wealthier people to buy the best that they can afford for their children.
If your (imaginary) child was offered a free place at a private school you’d jump at the chance, no doubt.

The entrance exam is them being able to write their name at the top of the paper, lol. From there the private school can deduce how wealthy and influential their family are as to whether their child gets in.

Winston Churchill used to do just that leaving the rest of his exam paper blank, passed the exam with flying colours!
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 12:40:32 AM
Another feature of private schools is their pupils are likely to know the difference between their, there and they’re at an early age. This makes one less likely to look a twerp when attempting to communicate in later life.

Now you're suggesting you went to private school ? ;)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 25, 2020, 07:39:12 AM
as someone who raised two children living with them while they attended school in Ukraine/Russia/USA

I would rate USA schools as MUCH less than Ukraine/Russia
USA education has dropped dramatically due to problems with student behavior in class
the current zoom video approach is a joke!

no school will be adequate for educating your children, but some will be better than others!
YOU have to be involved in educating your children!
the first thing you teach your kids when they’re little is to LOVE books and reading!

when they were 5-6 I’d read with my children every day
then when they were 9-10 I started to give them science books with lots of illustrations
and chemistry sets and electronic kits

Before Corona, I had one daughter enrolled in Rice Univ Math Dept and the other in the Ric BioTechnology program and was planning on Medical School
but about 1/3 of their classmates have now dropped out...
now including them....
sigh...

so until we all go to Russia, they ride shotgun with me in the armor plated Acura!
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on June 25, 2020, 09:08:27 AM
Many private schools are being less selective..and accepting
a higher proportion of foreign students to balance the books .

Do you and I have different views on what is selective?

In my view being selective is most likely based on test scores.
If a foreigner has higher scores than his peers then he/she will
be selected over the lower scoring local child. Or are you suggesting
that the private schools are catering to rich foreigners selecting them
over brighter local children to improve their finances? Do they charge
foreign students more? By what method are the books balanced?

Please explain your view.

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 25, 2020, 09:36:51 AM
Public universities in USA love foreign students.  They pay full out-of-state tuition.

In-state students pay about half that rate, and many pay nothing as there are generous state programs to pay all tuition for even B grade in-state students.

Even out-of-state (USA) students often pay in-state rates based on reciprocal agreements between neighboring states.

This is why many (most) state universities are going to be hurting this fall because foreign student attendance is projected to be down 15-45%.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: ML on June 25, 2020, 09:47:52 AM
Lily has a point regarding higher end schools (students) and lower end schools (students).

Many other nations don't have such extremes as USA because their population is more homogeneous.

And, even where the population is not homogeneous, the students of the nation face nation wide similar course programs.

In USA, states and even school districts within a state have very different programs and standards.

I will still match top USA students against top from anywhere in the world.
But not match foreign incoming students against average of all USA students, because the cream of the crop (mostly) are coming in.
The misleading examples and even statistics that are bandied about are due to this mis-match.

For instance:  Some years back cousin of mine living in D.C. area mentioned how at H.S. graduation for his daughter . . . most all of the awards went to foreign born students or students of foreign born parents.
Well duh !!  Only shows that incoming are mostly cream of the crop, at least in these high income/high cost of living areas.
Another factor is that foreign born parents carry with them tradition of striving for excellence in school.  This tradition is far from universal with USA born families, and virtually non-existent in some ethnic groups.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 25, 2020, 11:30:37 AM
What do you mean by selective ?
Are you being deliberately obtuse or just argumentative as that’s your default posture?

Quote from: MobyVirus

Many private schools are being less selective..and accepting a higher proportion of foreign students to balance the books .
Are you claiming a first hand knowledge of private schools admission criteria? Or will you claim to have a ‘fwend’ who is advising you of the latest trends in admissions into UK private schools, no doubt laughing at our ‘fails’ while doing so?

An increase in foreign student admissions doesn’t imply a less selective admission process.
Only the ForumFool would claim otherwise.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
as someone who raised two children living with them while they attended school in Ukraine/Russia/USA

I would rate USA schools as MUCH less than Ukraine/Russia
USA education has dropped dramatically due to problems with student behavior in class
the current zoom video approach is a joke!

no school will be adequate for educating your children, but some will be better than others!
YOU have to be involved in educating your children!
the first thing you teach your kids when they’re little is to LOVE books and reading!

when they were 5-6 I’d read with my children every day
then when they were 9-10 I started to give them science books with lots of illustrations
and chemistry sets and electronic kits

Before Corona, I had one daughter enrolled in Rice Univ Math Dept and the other in the Ric BioTechnology program and was planning on Medical School
but about 1/3 of their classmates have now dropped out...
now including them....
sigh...

so until we all go to Russia, they ride shotgun with me in the armor plated Acura!

I think having a number of years growing up in the FSU would be great before coming to the US and having a big change of scene.

I used to have chemistry sets when younger, they could be good fun and a bit of a laugh, I never really used them seriously though. I think children doing some reading early on at home is important. I'm not sure about the 'love books' socialisation though, I would fear that it could make a child too nerdy. I think I would want to be careful not to end up with bookworms that don't socialize well. I don't think I would like a child to be too one sided either by being too nerdy or at the other end too airheaded. I would fear that STEM subjects might tend to increasingly drive a child and later adult to the too nerdy end, that they would end up spending all their time on their subject and miss out on life and being more spontaneous.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
Are you being deliberately obtuse or just argumentative as that’s your default posture?

So, no explanation ..

Are you claiming a first hand knowledge of private schools admission criteria? Or will you claim to have a ‘fwend’ who is advising you of the latest trends in admissions into UK private schools, no doubt laughing at our ‘fails’ while doing so?

'Sorry' ex-wifey and I had an agency biz helping Russian speaking parent find places in UK schools ...and finding Guardians ( look it up) for boarders with non resident parents

We had some enquiries and I kicked verybestschools.com back into life earlier this evening

An increase in foreign student admissions doesn’t imply a less selective admission process.
Only the ForumFool would claim otherwise.

The 'forum fool' clearly knows more about this than you ..and is putting his money were his big gob is .. ;)

By the way, I own the domain every1fo.com .. and my fav email address is ds.or.johngaunt.is.busted.again@every1fo.com

Swerve on;)



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 25, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
The entrance exam is them being able to write their name at the top of the paper, lol. From there the private school can deduce how wealthy and influential their family are as to whether their child gets in.

Winston Churchill used to do just that leaving the rest of his exam paper blank, passed the exam with flying colours!

These are silly words from somebody with no personal experience about somebody who died long ago.

Back to reality 2020.....

My daughter recently did two 11 plus exams, for two different grammar schools. One invited her immediately; one invited her two weeks later (after others who scored higher expressed a preference for elsewhere probably). So she had two offers from two very good schools.

It costs something around fifteen grand £ Sterling a year. More when you add in piano lessons, trips and other stuff.

The “Trenchcoat” blokes comments about “posh” accents caused by private schools being some kind of disadvantage only works if your life goals are flipping burgers in McDonald’s or some similar godawful place. His comments are Liberal and leftist and tells us he’s not too bright, and somewhat poor. I’m assuming he’s not yet married and has no wife or kids from which one might draw informed opinion from.

I’m debating a keyboard warrior who’s never been to the FSU and achieved anything meaningful I suspect? The usual Ukraine-centric greedy bloke? Went to Kiev or Odessa once or twice on a budget airline perhaps, spent some money and was “unlucky” when reality hit perchance?

I don’t know the bloke from Adam, unless he has another name at RUA. But he apparently has 5000 posts here, so he should be a relative font of wisdom, yes? I’m not getting that.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 04:18:20 PM
These are silly words from somebody with no personal experience about somebody who died long ago.

Back to reality 2020.....

My daughter recently did two 11 plus exams, for two different grammar schools. One invited her immediately; one invited her two weeks later (after others who scored higher expressed a preference for elsewhere probably). So she had two offers from two very good schools.

It costs something around fifteen grand £ Sterling a year. More when you add in piano lessons, trips and other stuff.

The “Trenchcoat” blokes comments about “posh” accents caused by private schools being some kind of disadvantage only works if your life goals are flipping burgers in McDonald’s or some similar godawful place. His comments are Liberal and leftist and tells us he’s not too bright, and somewhat poor. I’m assuming he’s not yet married and has no wife or kids from which one might draw informed opinion from.

I’m debating a keyboard warrior who’s never been to the FSU and achieved anything meaningful I suspect? The usual Ukraine-centric greedy bloke? Went to Kiev or Odessa once or twice on a budget airline perhaps, spent some money and was “unlucky” when reality hit perchance?

I don’t know the bloke from Adam, unless he has another name at RUA. But he apparently has 5000 posts here, so he should be a relative font of wisdom, yes? I’m not getting that.

Grammar schools are free Manny as they are paid for by the state. Not too bright are we ;D

If you are talking £15k per child for a private school then you have more money than sense.

It's not about flipping burgers at McDonald's, if the child is only ever expected to interact with similar posh people then fine, but if the child ever steps out into the real world and comes into contact with the majority of the population that don't speak posh then they are not likely to be well received.

In fact they would probably take the p*ss out of anyone with a posh accent. Some behind their back others far more vocal.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 09:44:25 PM
Manny

Trench HAS been to the  FSU - several times (  not that he's learnt much !)

Manny mentions £15k plus fees ... that intrigued me, given I lived in North Cheshire and went to a Grammar School, there and really do know about fee paying education.


Manchester Grammar is fee paying
.. it's really a 'public' school', which in Britain means ... independent / private, now !

http://www.mgs.org/209/fees-and-assistance#:~:text=Fees%20for%20the%20year%202019,or%20%C2%A34%2C310%20per%20term. (http://www.mgs.org/209/fees-and-assistance#:~:text=Fees%20for%20the%20year%202019,or%20%C2%A34%2C310%20per%20term.)

Fees for the year 2019/20 are £12,930 per year, or £4,310 per term.

Cheadle Hulme School

http://www.cheadlehulmeschool.co.uk/admissions/fees-charges (http://www.cheadlehulmeschool.co.uk/admissions/fees-charges)

Senior and Sixth Form tuition £12,324 per year

Bolton School - also c.£12k / year
http://www.boltonschool.org/how-to-join-us/fees/fees/

OK, he added 15 percent, but hey , that's Manny - he does like to exaggerate !

As Trench says, in Manchester REAL Grammar Schools are FREE, but places are awarded on merit e,g,Altrincham Grammar School for Girls, Sale Grammar School, Stretford Grammar School and Urmston Grammar School

Back on topic, my 'ex' step-son is a product of FSU education.. he finished there and aged 17, came to Cyprus, then the UK ,,he had to do a UK sixth form ( again) to qualify for university in Oxford and found UK kids somewhat lazy and uneducated in his experience !

There is much merit in what Lilly posted



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 25, 2020, 10:33:57 PM
Grammar schools are free Manny as they are paid for by the state. Not too bright are we ;D

Most aren’t, as Moby taught you.

If you are talking £15k per child for a private school then you have more money than sense.

More money than you, you mean.

It's not about flipping burgers at McDonald's, if the child is only ever expected to interact with similar posh people then fine, but if the child ever steps out into the real world and comes into contact with the majority of the population that don't speak posh then they are not likely to be well received.

Nonsense. By “the real world”, you mean among the poor. And this “majority” you refer to tells us everything about the sector of society you inhabit.

In fact they would probably take the p*ss out of anyone with a posh accent. Some behind their back others far more vocal.

You must be from a very poor background to think this. I’m guessing you were brought up on some council estate and are engaged in a menial job.

There’s not a lot of point anyone sensible engaging with you to be honest.

Fees for the year 2019/20 are £12,930 per year, or £4,310 per term.

Cheadle Hulme School

http://www.cheadlehulmeschool.co.uk/admissions/fees-charges (http://www.cheadlehulmeschool.co.uk/admissions/fees-charges)

Senior and Sixth Form tuition £12,324 per year

Bolton School - also c.£12k / year
http://www.boltonschool.org/how-to-join-us/fees/fees/ (http://www.boltonschool.org/how-to-join-us/fees/fees/)

OK, he added 15 percent, but hey , that's Manny - he does like to exaggerate !

Add the bus, lunch and uniform, you’ll find it’s over £15k. Being in business, I tend to look at actual costs, not headline ones. Sorry your cheap shot got busted, Worm.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 11:07:28 PM
Most aren’t, as Moby taught you.

Fibber - please do not use my name to back up your tosh ;)

Most Grammar schools use the 11 plus as the criteria to give places to students with merit and are not fee paying




Add the bus, lunch and uniform, you’ll find it’s over £15k. Being in business, I tend to look at actual costs, not headline ones. Sorry your cheap shot got busted, Worm.

YOU quoted fees of 15k .. adding ' some incidental music tuition fees' ..you fibbed .. 



Actual 'worms' send all their kids to private school throughout their education and don't dish out for only one ...leaving t'other feeling insecure.. they pay to ensure the not so gifted ones up their game..

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 11:11:25 PM
Most aren’t, as Moby taught you.

More money than you, you mean.

Nonsense. By “the real world”, you mean among the poor. And this “majority” you refer to tells us everything about the sector of society you inhabit.

You must be from a very poor background to think this. I’m guessing you were brought up on some council estate and are engaged in a menial job.

There’s not a lot of point anyone sensible engaging with you to be honest.

Add the bus, lunch and uniform, you’ll find it’s over £15k. Being in business, I tend to look at actual costs, not headline ones. Sorry your cheap shot got busted, Worm.

Manny kids that go to private school end up talking like this, it will be all, 'Oh Yar! Faw, faw, faw, faw, faw, ok yar! and lots of over pronounced English in a posh accent. They end up sounding ridiculous, lol.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 11:18:40 PM
Trench,

You need to get out, more ..

*I* went to private schools and do not have a 'posh' accent ..

Someone going to Manchester Grammar or Cheadle Hulme will likely emerge with a NW accent - may be sl. toned down .



Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 11:21:40 PM
Trench,

You need to get out, more ..

*I* went to private schools and do not have a 'posh' accent ..

Someone going to Manchester Grammar or Cheadle Hulme will likely emerge with a NW accent - may be sl. toned down .

You mean you don't speak posh Oirish! ;D
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 25, 2020, 11:25:10 PM
You mean you don't speak posh Oirish! ;D

I speak with a hybrid accent and it changes depending on company ... if it the company of N.I folk, much stronger ... it's not a conscious action.

Any chance you can 'debate' with a clue ?  When you're failing we see your 'humour' ... it's not pretty  :rolleyes:

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 25, 2020, 11:36:11 PM
I speak with a hybrid accent and it changes depending on company ... if it the company of N.I folk, much stronger ... it's not a conscious action.

Any chance you can 'debate' with a clue ?  When you're failing we see your 'humour' ... it's not pretty  :rolleyes:

You mean you go into proper Oirish mode :D
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 26, 2020, 08:32:47 AM
my sister and I used to spend our summers in the Hereford countryside with my ma's sister
about two weeks in I started picking up a midlands accent
one year, my sister and I went on a bus ride with my auntie to nearby Rochdale
to visit another sister, who had two boys my age!!!!

I immediately joined my cousins gang
and bolstered by my presence, it twas decided to explore another gang's turf!
and when we got jumped by that other gang for encroaching on their territory
I took on the first 3 and beat them so badly that their families called the cops
but no one in that gang could identify who I was!!!
so coppers couldn't find me!!!

I was a stealth Ninja assassin workin for a Rochdale gang, chillin by the canal
nice life for a 16 yr old American kid
too bad I had to go back to the USA at the end of summer!

the women there WERE ALL OVER ME when I was 16 in the UK!
I mean to the degree that I was legally sexually assaulted by older women there
I would literally have to fight them off!!
usually what they'd try and do was to get me drunk and then have sex
it was weird!!

 


Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 26, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
?

Hereford is the first county in the Midlands, bordering Glos'shire which is in the West country...

Hereford is (to me) nowhere NEAR Rochdale in accent, but only a three hour drive...when the roads are clear...

To a UK citizen they are as different as Jacksonville is to Salt Lake City;)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 26, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
the problem for an outsider trying to pick up a Warwickshire accent is the fact that about 1/4 of the local people are from someplace else in the UK...
but eventually I could suss it all out

because my auntie was an English teacher, she spoke “Received Pronunciation”
and so did I
AND
I also spoke with a mild southern Virginian accent, which was my family home back then
and when I was 16 yrs old and spoke in this voice to the girls in the UK,
it made them “wet their drawers” EVERY TIME!!!
every woman there just gawked at me with her jaw hanging open
and all I was doing was smiling and talking to them

I lied about my age, I was 16, but I said I was 18 so that they would have sex with me
I was tall and so I passed easily for 18


Today's incels have NO IDEA
of that kinda lifestyle
being young and HOT LOOKING and having unlimited sex with as many young English women as you want!
that was my summer of love in the UK





Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 26, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
Hope you took 'em boating in Shakespeare's country)
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Manny on June 26, 2020, 01:34:41 PM
Manny kids that go to private school end up talking like this, it will be all, 'Oh Yar! Faw, faw, faw, faw, faw, ok yar! and lots of over pronounced English in a posh accent. They end up sounding ridiculous, lol.

There’s not a lot of point anyone sensible engaging with you to be honest.

Good luck in prison.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 26, 2020, 04:36:29 PM
Willis, watch out for dese boys on RWD
dey is up to no good!!!
ya hear me Willis!

yes Mobers!!!
did boating on a lake
her family owned the boat and the lake, I just rowed her around the lake
while she fed bread crumbs to the ducks and fish in the pond
I sang songs and recited poetry
but not all that interesting for me
compared to the nights...

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 27, 2020, 02:54:43 AM
Good luck in prison.

Why prison?
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 27, 2020, 03:06:38 AM
the problem for an outsider trying to pick up a Warwickshire accent is the fact that about 1/4 of the local people are from someplace else in the UK...
but eventually I could suss it all out

because my auntie was an English teacher, she spoke “Received Pronunciation”
and so did I
AND
I also spoke with a mild southern Virginian accent, which was my family home back then
and when I was 16 yrs old and spoke in this voice to the girls in the UK,
it made them “wet their drawers” EVERY TIME!!!
every woman there just gawked at me with her jaw hanging open
and all I was doing was smiling and talking to them

I lied about my age, I was 16, but I said I was 18 so that they would have sex with me
I was tall and so I passed easily for 18


Today's incels have NO IDEA
of that kinda lifestyle
being young and HOT LOOKING and having unlimited sex with as many young English women as you want!
that was my summer of love in the UK

Krim everywhere you go throughout your life you seem to be getting laid by young hotties. I don't reckon it's anything you do or say so much as being down to good looking. I know in the past you played that down but I don't think you'd have got so much action if you weren't on the good looking side of the scale. Now you've already told us you have blonde hair, so are you Brad Pitt? ;D

Received pronunciation is basically the posh accent, it's the worst in my opinion. Reminds me of the awful BBC broadcasts from the 50's, 'This is the BBC Television Service' blah, blah, blah all in an absurdly posh accent. Even today most of the BBC is mostly posh all, mostly all private school kids. Carrie Gracie whined about gender equality but few from state school even get a look in at the BBC, moreso their news service I would say.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 27, 2020, 03:58:32 AM
Krim everywhere you go throughout your life you seem to be getting laid by young hotties. I don't reckon it's anything you do or say so much as being down to good looking. I know in the past you played that down but I don't think you'd have got so much action if you weren't on the good looking side of the scale. Now you've already told us you have blonde hair, so are you Brad Pitt? ;D

Received pronunciation is basically the posh accent, it's the worst in my opinion. Reminds me of the awful BBC broadcasts from the 50's, 'This is the BBC Television Service' blah, blah, blah all in an absurdly posh accent. Even today most of the BBC is mostly posh all, mostly all private school kids. Carrie Gracie whined about gender equality but few from state school even get a look in at the BBC, moreso their news service I would say.

You actually believe anything Krimster spouts on here?
He has the worst case( except Moby) of spinning tall tales that I've ever heard.

As for the rest of your envy filled post, you come across as a bitter old fart who thinks life owes you.


Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Nightwish on June 27, 2020, 04:24:15 AM
You actually believe anything Krimster spouts on here?
He has the worst case( except Moby) of spinning tall tales that I've ever heard.

As for the rest of your envy filled post, you come across as a bitter old fart who thinks life owes you.

He does because that is how he lives his life, through others and their tales since he has no of his own.
Krimster - who I stopped paying attention to years ago - is half the time delirious on drugs and the rest of the time excessively exaggerating everything to get a bigger e-penis, which works on Trench.

Trench is a failed middle aged "boy" (mental state) with zero life experience living in his mother's basement, maybe not literally but he might as well.

Everything he "knows" about dating, women or relationships comes from youtube videos and blogs he found via google, where he searched with his small narrative that suits his state of mind, without any criticism of the source because he WANTS to believe it's all true and has no own knowledge to question the information he reads or hear.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 27, 2020, 05:29:39 AM
You actually believe anything Krimster spouts on here?
He has the worst case( except Moby) of spinning tall tales that I've ever heard.

As for the rest of your envy filled post, you come across as a bitter old fart who thinks life owes you.

John Gaunt you remind me of the character Mr Pewterschmidt of Family Guy. Everything you write being just a gruff harsh retort lol.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 27, 2020, 05:35:15 AM
He does because that is how he lives his life, through others and their tales since he has no of his own.
Krimster - who I stopped paying attention to years ago - is half the time delirious on drugs and the rest of the time excessively exaggerating everything to get a bigger e-penis, which works on Trench.

Trench is a failed middle aged "boy" (mental state) with zero life experience living in his mother's basement, maybe not literally but he might as well.

Everything he "knows" about dating, women or relationships comes from youtube videos and blogs he found via google, where he searched with his small narrative that suits his state of mind, without any criticism of the source because he WANTS to believe it's all true and has no own knowledge to question the information he reads or hear.

That's not quite true, I've been to the FSU and dated some women. They may not be in a LTR but they were generally reasonably positive experience for the most part. Some elements negative but who hasn't had relationships with some negative aspects. So far I have not been had by any pro scammers that some guys have in the FSU so I'm not doing all that bad.

I don't see society in the west as creating a good climate for dating mainly due to the effects of feminism. A decade or so ago the term INCEL was not even known about, that is how bad things have gotten for dating in the west now.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 27, 2020, 06:12:53 AM
spinning tales?
says who?
were you there?

back in “the old days” it was easy to “make out” with the girls in the UK
we’re talking not only before Corona, but before HIV and a buncha other swell stuff

a 16 yr old American teenage boy like me who could pass himself off as 18 easily and sometimes 21, could easily date 16-21 yr olds in the UK (as long as he had the sterling)
and would get hit on by MILFS CONSTANTLY

the sex was also more innocent back then with the 16 yr olds, more like just touching and checking out each other’s “junk”

but almost every girl I met back then in the UK wanted to engage in this “ junk checking ritual”
this was normal for me back then, meeting some girl and then later privately checking out her junk because they wanted to show me!!!
what a strange custom, but they also did this in Russia!!

so why are you mad at me dawg?
do you mean to tell me that when you were younger you never had a bunch of girls or young women show you their junk
because you were a cute boy with a cool accent from a foreign country?
is that the problem?
sounds like it to me

well, too bad
because I can tell you, it was an absolutely delightful experience

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 27, 2020, 06:17:39 AM
John Gaunt you remind me of the character Mr Pewterschmidt of Family Guy. Everything you write being just a gruff harsh retort lol.
Read my posts above.
The fact that you choose not to respond to them is pretty telling.
You know that what you spout here is just repetitive bs you’ve picked up from Incel and PUA sites.

I’ve got better things to do then waste my time e-squabbling with the likes of you.
Guess what I’m doing this afternoon?

Having a bbq with my lovely UKR wife ( plus my kids) whom I met, courted and married, without doing any of the scheming, planning and typecasting that you think is going to land you a wife.
 With your attitudes it isn’t going to happen.
If you can’t date at home forget about dating internationally.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 27, 2020, 06:21:50 AM
He does because that is how he lives his life, through others and their tales since he has no of his own.
Krimster - who I stopped paying attention to years ago - is half the time delirious on drugs and the rest of the time excessively exaggerating everything to get a bigger e-penis, which works on Trench.

Trench is a failed middle aged "boy" (mental state) with zero life experience living in his mother's basement, maybe not literally but he might as well.

Everything he "knows" about dating, women or relationships comes from youtube videos and blogs he found via google, where he searched with his small narrative that suits his state of mind, without any criticism of the source because he WANTS to believe it's all true and has no own knowledge to question the information he reads or hear.
Trench isn’t actually living.
He exists on the poverty line surfing the net looking for affirmation of his women hating views.
But your post is spot on.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 27, 2020, 06:23:00 AM
spinning tales?
says who?
were you there?

back in “the old days” it was easy to “make out” with the girls in the UK
we’re talking not only before Corona, but before HIV and a buncha other swell stuff

a 16 yr old American teenage boy like me who could pass himself off as 18 easily and sometimes 21, could easily date 16-21 yr olds in the UK (as long as he had the sterling)
and would get hit on by MILFS CONSTANTLY

the sex was also more innocent back then with the 16 yr olds, more like just touching and checking out each other’s “junk”

but almost every girl I met back then in the UK wanted to engage in this “ junk checking ritual”
this was normal for me back then, meeting some girl and then later privately checking out her junk because they wanted to show me!!!
what a strange custom, but they also did this in Russia!!

so why are you mad at me dawg?
do you mean to tell me that when you were younger you never had a bunch of girls or young women show you their junk
because you were a cute boy with a cool accent from a foreign country?
is that the problem?
sounds like it to me

well, too bad
because I can tell you, it was an absolutely delightful experience
More crapola being dished out.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 27, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
did you like it?
because I see a little bit still sticking to the corner of your mouth...
s'more?
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 27, 2020, 07:25:13 AM
You actually believe anything Krimster spouts on here?
He has the worst case( except Moby) of spinning tall tales that I've ever heard.

 :ROFL:  When it comes to tale spinning DS/ JG is the BS king and swerves like MAD to avoid proving he's full of it ..

Neither JG or DS have EVER busted this poster for making stuff up ... It's a bad wee habit some sad folk have of repeating nonsense amongst themselves ..
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 27, 2020, 07:48:49 AM
:ROFL:  When it comes to tale spinning DS/ JG is the BS king and swerves like MAD to avoid proving he's full of it ..

Neither JG or DS have EVER busted this poster for making stuff up ... It's a bad wee habit some sad folk have of repeating nonsense amongst themselves ..

Woohoo. The MobyLiar gets busted ALL the time.

Don’t take my word for it.

Just ask any other poster on this or another forum.....

Trying to pass your rep onto me ain’t gonna work.

You’re just full of gobshyte Moby. Even you can smell your own stench......whenever you open your skanky mouth.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Lonestar on June 27, 2020, 08:55:56 AM
Having lived in Texas, Florida, and California past 5 years I put my daughters in a Christian school in each state after checking out the public schools for a couple reasons.  Don't want them to turn into boys as public schools in all three states preach everyone is equal and other things.  Last I checked girls and boys are different. 

I was in decent public school areas as well - Woodland Texas area, Dr Phillips Florida area.  Now in California.

To answer the OP question which this thread seemed to derail I would put my kids only in Christian schools in the West and if not than I would rather have my kids in Ukraine.  I personally grew up in public schools but we used to respect the Flag and schools were strict.  We also knew girls and boys are different.   

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 27, 2020, 09:13:19 AM
I can defo recommend VVP's Russia for you, 'Lonestar' ...
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 27, 2020, 12:06:06 PM
Having lived in Texas, Florida, and California past 5 years I put my daughters in a Christian school in each state after checking out the public schools for a couple reasons.  Don't want them to turn into boys as public schools in all three states preach everyone is equal and other things.  Last I checked girls and boys are different. 

I was in decent public school areas as well - Woodland Texas area, Dr Phillips Florida area.  Now in California.

To answer the OP question which this thread seemed to derail I would put my kids only in Christian schools in the West and if not than I would rather have my kids in Ukraine.  I personally grew up in public schools but we used to respect the Flag and schools were strict.  We also knew girls and boys are different.   

Thank you Lonestar, it good to have some input into the actual topic here :) Indeed, an education establishment where they teach boys are boys and girls are girls is most important too I believe. Now myself I'm not religious so it would kind of knock the idea on the head of sending any children to a Christian school. Apart from feeling hypocritical I wouldn't want them to go through the religious teachings side of it. So for me there is probably no other viable alternative than the FSU. I could tell them stuff at home to counter any rubbish taught but I wouldn't want to rely on that either.

The whole women challenging the man's role in the workplace I see as very damaging to people's lives. In the end very few get what they want that way most end up unhappy in life from what I see.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 27, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
In the end very few get what they want that way most end up unhappy in life from what I see.

Trenchie, honestly ... what meaningful conversations do you have with women ..? 


None, based on what you're posting here .. 

Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Boethius on June 27, 2020, 02:35:08 PM
I don't believe Soviet and post Soviet education is superior to education in the West.  Look at PISA assessments.  All FSU republics that participate are middling or below in results, across the board. 

Soviet students studied more complex arithmetic (not mathematics) at earlier ages than in the West, but it evened out by high school.  What Soviet schools did not do is teach students to think.  Many subjects were tainted by ideology, in a way that even the most leftist universities in the West can't touch.  Other subjects were off limits completely.  For example, philosophy was banned until university, and then, students could only study it if they were approved at the obkom level.  Even then, philosophical study was limited, as it had to be in accordance with Marxist-Leninist thought.  Most learning was rote learning.  I don't know if that's still true, but it certainly is true of Soviet schooling.

My children went to publicly funded schools, because the schools here are excellent.  Having raised children to adulthood, I would say their attitudes and values were formed in, and come mostly from, their home environments, not schools.  Their core beliefs, and who they are as individuals are largely inborn. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 27, 2020, 11:21:03 PM
Woohoo. The MobyLiar gets busted ALL the time.

Don’t take my word for it.

Just ask any other poster on this or another forum.....



Sting/ DaveNY ( ex of here) tried to suggest that and a mod I consider a true gent put him straight re generalisations .. :ROFL: 

Busted,,as usual
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on June 27, 2020, 11:35:33 PM


Sting/ DaveNY ( ex of here) tried to suggest that and a mod I consider a true gent put him straight re generalisations .. :ROFL: 

Busted,,as usual
You must have a direct pipeline stuck up your proverbial for all the hot air you produce.
 :cluebat: :cluebat: :cluebat:
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 28, 2020, 01:33:16 AM
You must have a direct pipeline stuck up your proverbial for all the hot air you produce.

For a guy who just got busted ( again) for making stuff up, can you not see any irony in what you post? ;)

Back on topic.

Boethius,

Due to having had more than one family, I've had a chance to compare the result of UK and RU educated kids born in the last decade of the previous millennium ...Whilst, it's a very small sample..having seen them / their peers, the Russian kids seem to have better knowledge and have been more respectful of their teachers.
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on June 28, 2020, 07:06:29 AM
I would echo that experience in the USA....
also now in USA education is now mostly online only instead of classroom
and it just plain "doesn't work"
many are predicting the death of universities now
my daughters have dropped out of Rice Univ
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 29, 2020, 02:40:16 AM
I would echo that experience in the USA....
also now in USA education is now mostly online only instead of classroom
and it just plain "doesn't work"
many are predicting the death of universities now
my daughters have dropped out of Rice Univ

True, education in future might end up online only in which case could just use You Tube for that ;D Could save governments a fortune. All I would have to do is block all feminist influence on there :D
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on June 29, 2020, 02:59:16 AM
During the lockdown, one of my forms of escapism has been following youtubers who are locked down in places from the UK, NZ, Portugal, Fiji ( their boat is in Tonga- but they landed from the US at few hours too late to get back into Tonga) and several in Panama.

Not a few of them have kids and they are home taught ... the Texans on a catamaran in NZ have had two of their eldest graduate whilst learning on board ..

Home schooling doesn't seem to hold them back.

 
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: SJR on July 01, 2020, 07:10:16 PM
Trench, with respect, but I don't think you should get married. I've been reading some of your posts all over the forum and they read from questionable to disturbing.

You admit you don't earn much money, fine. But then you go on about how you should go to a poor country and take a woman from there, but you're already worried she'll divorce you. Now the topic is about having kids, or perhaps she's bringing kids, and where they should be schooled. You seem to have an issue with the UK system, the private schools you can pay for apparently brings up kids dumb but sound intelligent, purely because of a posh accent (I think you've watched too much Inbetweeners and spend too little time in reality), and that life isn't fair.

Newsflash: Anyone with half a brain sees right through the posh accent act and quickly realize one is as dumb as a sack of rocks. I think you have an issue with people with more cash than yourself.

The woman you seem to build up in your mind has to apparently be drop dead gorgeous, adore you, do not know the meaning of divorce...

The fact that Filipina women are a ''back up'' if you can't score in FSU is erm, slightly disturbing to say the least.

Put yourself in your potential womans' shoes: Would you really move away from your friends and family, everything you've known, to live a mediocre life with a partner you met on the internet...a self confessed introvert/loner?

Let me try and help you here: Improve your own life somewhat. You seem to have an issue that others have more than you do. Easy: Improve that. Life isn't all about money of course, but it sure helps. Try to work on not over-analyzing everything to death. You say you want a Ukrainian wife because they're more exciting....guess what, an exciting woman will want an exciting life. Once she realizes you'd rather sit at home doing whatever, she'll quickly find her way to places more exciting. And if she's as gorgeous as you want her to be....well we can all add up can't we. 



Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: I/O on July 01, 2020, 11:39:10 PM
I was going to say --- nah, I'll just sit here and shake my head a little longer... :-\
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 02, 2020, 01:19:30 PM

The fact that Filipina women are a ''back up'' if you can't score in FSU is erm, slightly disturbing to say the least.

Put yourself in your potential womans' shoes: Would you really move away from your friends and family, everything you've known, to live a mediocre life with a partner you met on the internet...a self confessed introvert/loner?

Let me try and help you here: Improve your own life somewhat. You seem to have an issue that others have more than you do. Easy: Improve that. Life isn't all about money of course, but it sure helps. Try to work on not over-analyzing everything to death. You say you want a Ukrainian wife because they're more exciting....guess what, an exciting woman will want an exciting life. Once she realizes you'd rather sit at home doing whatever, she'll quickly find her way to places more exciting. And if she's as gorgeous as you want her to be....well we can all add up can't we.

Thanks SJR, I don't think I've seen you post before but what you write is interesting. Indeed, I realised after my last trip to Kiev that I didn't really have an exciting life to offer a girl. That trip I really ended up spending self reflecting on seriously where I was on it all as much as seeing more of Ukrainian women in their culture. Now partly a guy has been seen as some sort of a workhorse out there, main deal to just bring the money in, some working all hours. That said I think a lot of the more attractive women would want more than that.

If a girl and as highly social I would highly unlikely fit in with her. Money as you say plays a part as the more money left over for leisure spending the more options there are and it can make it easier to have fun potentially. That said good times can be had cheaply as well. At the moment I have not really had much free time to improve my social life.i think in any case that would only ever improve so much anyway, I'm never going to be a social diva nor seek to be. In a few months I should have more time on my hands. Socializing with a lot of people has never really been my scene, the more people the more exhausting I would find it to be. Plus unless someone has anything much to say that is meaningful I find a lot of talk tedious. The current virus situation means that stuff has gone out anyway somewhat so that kind of works in my favour, lol.

So that leaves exciting stuff to do that a great to would find interesting too. In the past guys on here have suggested stuff like dancing, Salsa and the like. I wouldn't make me doing that and got a few DVD's but a lot of that stuff is out somewhat now. If doing with just the girl and in a spacious area I guess it could still be a goer. I'm not into Bunjee jumping, zip lining or any of those awful western women online dating sort of things. Firing guns could be fun for me and maybe I'll do it next when in Ukraine or here even. I really think it would have to be stuff like that, that I am likely to enjoy long term. I don't really want to do stuff that I will do for a bit but not be into regularly doing. I've never fired a real gun before but I kind of feel it's something I would really like to do. My only other thought is some sort of water sport or recreation but something that wouldn't be too much bother to get into, maybe a small fast motor boat of some sort or something.

In general though what I am trying to do with all these posts is to try to establish the lay of the land and where I might fit in with it all. I don't really see any point going up the wrong path in life when I could have sounded it out earlier if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: John Gaunt on July 03, 2020, 12:56:20 AM
Thanks SJR, I don't think I've seen you post before but what you write is interesting. Indeed, I realised after my last trip to Kiev that I didn't really have an exciting life to offer a girl. That trip I really ended up spending self reflecting on seriously where I was on it all as much as seeing more of Ukrainian women in their culture. Now partly a guy has been seen as some sort of a workhorse out there, main deal to just bring the money in, some working all hours. That said I think a lot of the more attractive women would want more than that.
To sum up: Trench is poor.

Quote from: Trench
If a girl and as highly social I would highly unlikely fit in with her. Money as you say plays a part as the more money left over for leisure spending the more options there are and it can make it easier to have fun potentially. That said good times can be had cheaply as well. At the moment I have not really had much free time to improve my social life.i think in any case that would only ever improve so much anyway, I'm never going to be a social diva nor seek to be. In a few months I should have more time on my hands. Socializing with a lot of people has never really been my scene, the more people the more exhausting I would find it to be. Plus unless someone has anything much to say that is meaningful I find a lot of talk tedious. The current virus situation means that stuff has gone out anyway somewhat so that kind of works in my favour, lol.

Trench is poor

Quote from: Trench
So that leaves exciting stuff to do that a great to would find interesting too. In the past guys on here have suggested stuff like dancing, Salsa and the like. I wouldn't make me doing that and got a few DVD's but a lot of that stuff is out somewhat now. If doing with just the girl and in a spacious area I guess it could still be a goer. I'm not into Bunjee jumping, zip lining or any of those awful western women online dating sort of things. Firing guns could be fun for me and maybe I'll do it next when in Ukraine or here even. I really think it would have to be stuff like that, that I am likely to enjoy long term. I don't really want to do stuff that I will do for a bit but not be into regularly doing. I've never fired a real gun before but I kind of feel it's something I would really like to do. My only other thought is some sort of water sport or recreation but something that wouldn't be too much bother to get into, maybe a small fast motor boat of some sort or something.

Trench is poor

Quote from: Trench
In general though what I am trying to do with all these posts is to try to establish the lay of the land and where I might fit in with it all. I don't really see any point going up the wrong path in life when I could have sounded it out earlier if you know what I mean.
In other words, you’re poor.
Title: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 03, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
I was going to say --- nah, I'll just sit here and shake my head a little longer... :-\

I don't think that Trench has a snowballs chance in hell so
any advice that I write is in hope that a lurker/newbie can
glean something. Trench takes any advice and twists it
around to vindicate/validate whatever his current
theory/strategy/tactic/plan is and he ignores all
that doesn't do that.

Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on July 03, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
my wife who talks with an accent like Natasha from the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, calls the encroaching economic decline, “The Collapse-alypse”

IMHO, I think a cople of years from now, guys like Trench would be able to acquire female room mates pretty easily

I could already EASILY trade my rental houses to a single mom who lost her job
in exchange for you know what....
stock advice?
NOO!!!!!!!
not that
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 03, 2020, 12:59:14 PM
my wife who talks with an accent like Natasha from the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, calls the encroaching economic decline, “The Collapse-alypse”

IMHO, I think a cople of years from now, guys like Trench would be able to acquire female room mates pretty easily

I could already EASILY trade my rental houses to a single mom who lost her job
in exchange for you know what....
stock advice?
NOO!!!!!!!
not that

There were reports a while ago of Landlords in the UK making such arrangements with their pretty female tenants. Naturally the feminists took issue. I can't see anything wrong with it if both sides are content enough to strike a bargain, better than being on the streets. As a guy if I were renting and came up short I doubt I would get similar offerings from a Landlady, lol.
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Boethius on July 03, 2020, 02:00:47 PM
Of course women who aren't in the position of having to trade their bodies for shelter would take umbrage with a society where women are forced to sell their bodies for shelter, and with the men who exploit them.  I assume decent men would feel the same way.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on July 03, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
"I assume decent men would feel the same way."

if we ever meet any, we'll ask them what they think for you, but my guess is nah, not really....
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: I/O on July 03, 2020, 11:51:05 PM
any advice that I write is in hope that a lurker/newbie can glean something.
Likewise notwithstanding my advice is worth exactly what you're paying for it.


Where to bring up  kids? Indulge me to make a couple of salient points before concluding. East or West? I see discussion about education standards and systems - such "discussions" have been had over and over in my household over the last 15 years. I would simply say, both East and West put a man in space around the same time, both East and West developed the capabilities to obliterate each other about the same time, both East and West developed the ability to Dope athletes onto the winners podium at about the same time and around the same levels, both East and West developed mass manufacturing to war winning capabilities around the same time - I think the reader understands where I'm coming from.


The short and simple answer to the question of where to bring up children is AT HOME...!!! Where you, as a couple, decide to establish that home is an entirely 'nother and case specific question, one which should be long sorted prior to entering a marriage. Opinions regarding which location offers this or that which are offered in these forums are of no benefit and a writer seeking the answer to such a broad question in this sort of space probably needs professional "advice".
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on July 04, 2020, 11:03:45 AM
those of you who haven't raised children, totally underestimate the difficulty involved...
as for my kids, I spent their whole lives getting them ready for a future that DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE!

step 1 of this involved dropping out of Rice University which switched over to a disastrous on-line video instruction melt-down
and can't guarantee that it won't be doing the identical thing again in September...
so about 1 out of 4 Rice students have already dropped out, I expect more to come...

something happened with the virus this week!
both in Florida and Texas, the percentage of people testing positive went up from one in twenty five to one in five!!!!
a massive jump!  google if you don't believe me!

but again, we're just 10 weeks before we're at the beginning of flu season
when I expect another exponential leap in the Corona infection rate
starting from an already sky-high peak instead of zero
this means our flu season Corona peak will be a ginormous number
combined with an equally ginormous number of flu cases
all at the same time

meanwhile in Houston, we're just two weeks away from 100% ICU capacity
so imagine what happens when we hit flu season....

but the fact that the infection rate went up 500% in a couple of weeks here in Houston and elsewhere is alarming
1 out of 5 testing positive in Houston ALREADY?
can you imagine what this number will be 6 months from now?
my guess is 50 to 70 percent
don't you see what that means?

EVERYTHING SHUTS DOWN!
ALL ON ITS OWN!
COLLAPSE-ALYPSE



 
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: I/O on July 04, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
I spent their whole lives getting them ready for a future that DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE!
My parents said the same thing, I say the same thing, I suspect my grandparents probably said much the same - times change, it is what it is but the fundamentals of values don't change too much and if those are instilled in children, they are a better than even chance of surviving most things thrown their way.



Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: I/O on July 04, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
Of course women who aren't in the position of having to trade their bodies for shelter would take umbrage with a society where women are forced to sell their bodies for shelter, and with the men who exploit them.  I assume decent men would feel the same way.
Boe, you know me personally well enough to know where I stand but for the sake of it, allow me to shine a different light for a moment.


I managed a taxi company for 15 years - one learned to keep ones eyes and ears open and ones mouth very shut. My home town hosts a fair sized university which is largely patronised by foreign students, mostly from SE Asia and to a lessor extent from Europe. Make no mistake, these are not poor folk.  Tuition for an under graduate course, accommodation, transport, living and so forth - around 40-50 K (USD) per year. Many of these students come from a very privileged and often protected back ground.


I can assure you that even in a small city like this, a non trivial number "work" nights, we witnessed it first hand by transporting them too and from. I drove one night years ago and was bold enough to question one a little. The response was staggeringly brazen. First of all, who cares, no body knows me here and nobody will know back home which is where I will go when I am done here. I use this money to pay rent, I have money but not enough for the type of accommodation I want (In other words, she didn't want to live on campus), it went on a bit.


My point is, is the girl who beds the landlord directly for rent any different from the one who plys for hire publicly and then uses that revenue to pay the rent? For mine, it's much of a muchness and it could perhaps be argued the one laying the landlord directly has a cleaner and safer lifestyle?


Furthermore, as more than a handful of men marrying foreigners (or even domestically at times) have discovered the hard way, it was bedroom for migration.


I'm not a fan of any of it but where lies the greater crime?
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: Gator on July 05, 2020, 06:21:05 AM
My parents said the same thing, I say the same thing, I suspect my grandparents probably said much the same - times change, it is what it is but the fundamentals of values don't change too much and if those are instilled in children, they are a better than even chance of surviving most things thrown their way.

 :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: 

I/O, I have missed your pragmatism.   
 
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on July 05, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
see the problem you guys are having
is that things are "different now"
and you don't see it yet....
but the old ways will be gone in another year
and that includes, education, jobs, etc....
welcome to the new world order...
at least here in the USA

you kangaroo lovers will hopefully not share our fate
but don't get too close to the roos!!
they ARE dangerous!!

The global economy is now teetering on a precipice in every sector.
up until now, global financialization has optimized profits at the expense of everything else.

financialization has gutted the real economy in an extraction process that concentrates all the gains into the hands of the few at the top of the financialization/globalization pyramid: a winners-take-most economy that has corrupted and distorted all the political and social orders of the USA.

All the critical dynamics--energy, currencies, globalization, debt and financialization--have reached extremes that made destabilization--i.e. a tumble into collapse--inevitable.

I figure we have about a year to go before the REAL collapse begins

I have been getting out of banks and into bonds
and buying as much gold as I can
2 yr t-bill has .15 % yield
3 million $ in T-bills does not even cover the electric bill on a single house!!

if you have rentals, how well is that going to work out with 25% unemployment?
I fully expect one out 4 small businesses to shut their doors in Houston, by this time next year!

how are you going to survive in this environment?
how long before we have mandatory food rationing in the USA?

these are the REAL questions Americans need to start asking themselves...


Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 05, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
So for me there is probably no other viable alternative than the FSU.

Now the cat is out of the bag, you will only listen to advice that
you can twist into agreeing with your theory.


I could tell them stuff at home to counter any rubbish taught but I
wouldn't want to rely on that either.

There are a few things where you can develop theories, make
proclamations and decisions and be fairly accurate days and
years later.

HOWEVER, living with a woman in marriage and raising children
isn't one of those things. You actually have to experience it to
have a chance to begin figuring it out. You don't even know what
you don't know.

You are speculating on solving the technical issues of time travel
and world peace.

Go back to the beginning and find a good girl who likes you.
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: krimster2 on July 05, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
In a few more months that period of my life is gonna be over with...
and I have to say goodby to my kids....

who knows WTF is gonna happen in their future....
my future is focused on "livin large" in the apocalypse MFers!

the miracle of technology means my daughters let me talk to people on snapchat who have Corona!
I spoke to three different ones who are all home sick with it!

youngest is 18, oldest is 54
they all say it is like a bad flu

I probably have 50/50 odds of getting it myself by this time next year
yip eeee!


Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: treddie on July 13, 2020, 01:25:12 PM
FSW associate Western Men as being able to provide a certain lifestyle. In short they mostly all think Western Men all live in a large palace style house, drive a prestige car and bring in big income, lol. Anything that falls short of that on arrival in the country and they'll likely be of to find a guy that can provide that as soon as possible.

This is absolutely untrue.

You will find a wide variety of people in every country. You definitely can meet FSU women whose primary interest is family and not some materialistic cliché like what you wrote.

Maybe what you need to do is to stop projecting such ideas onto other people. Be honest about what you want and realistic about what you expect. Of course, common sense dictates that if you want a family, you should be able to provide for them.
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on July 13, 2020, 01:34:08 PM
This is absolutely untrue.

NO..it's not ... and if you are agreeing with Trench on anything FSU W ..that's scary  :popcorn:

You will find a wide variety of people in every country. You definitely can meet FSU women whose primary interest is family and not some materialistic cliché like what you wrote.

Now, you're writing without the generalisations that Trench uses

Maybe what you need to do is to stop projecting such ideas onto other people. Be honest about what you want and realistic about what you expect. Of course, common sense dictates that if you want a family, you should be able to provide for them.

'Common sense' and Trench in one sentence  .. ?  :rolleyes:

Trench seems to think doing up a pad in the Welsh valleys will provide enough income to live the good life ?..
Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: msmob on July 13, 2020, 10:51:14 PM
OMG

Sorry, treddie

You were disagreeing with Trench's ASSerton ...

Don't know how I got that SO wrong


I humbly apologise   ..grovel, grovel !




Title: Re: Where to bring up Children?
Post by: treddie on July 14, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
No worries. :) It happens to us all.