Russian plane brings medical supplies to USA

[ML]

Why isn't this a hot topic here?
Why isn't it a major, major, major topic on news?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/russian-plane-coronavirus-medical-gear-lands-u-s-after-trump-n1174436

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-usa-backlas/what-about-us-russias-coronavirus-supplies-to-united-states-spark-criticism-at-home-idUSKBN21K1WR


I am totally against our acceptance of this stuff.

[msmob]

If you need what the Ruskies are sending, ACCEPT IT..

I'm guessing you don't like the Cinese givt either, but a lot of electronics in your house is from China.

The way I see it, a Russian refusing to accept aid from America in any time of need would be just as short sighted.

[BillyB]

I am totally against our acceptance of this stuff.

Right now Trump is all about saving American lives regardless of where the help comes from. If your family member needed help and the only supplies available was from Russia, you should accept it. Of course after the junk Russia sent Italy, I doubt we'd be getting better stuff.

[Grumpy]

I would be more impressed if Putin sent a few plane loads of smoking hot poontang!   

[BillyB]

I would be more impressed if Putin sent a few plane loads of smoking hot poontang!   

Based off Krimster's post in the other thread, some of those ladies may be GRU agents and they'll be infecting America.

When Putin sent supplies to Italy, he had the "From Russia with Love" stickers on products. Did he put some of those stickers on the supplies he sent to America?

[ML]

Wife's cousin who lives in Italy told her this about when Russia sent supplies to Italy.

The supplies were for North Italy which was hardest hit by Corona and there were plenty of nearby airports.

But Russian planes landed far to the south, then Russian trucks with banners posted on them drove the length of Italy up to the North.

Pretty disgusting, but still a good idea Putin had.  He is a master at this.

Note:  I am just posting off the top of my head as to what I remember wife telling me back a couple of weeks ago.

Sandro, BC and others can correct as to exactly where the Russian planes landed, etc.

[BillyB]

The planes landed in at Pratica di Mare military base near Rome.  If you go to the youtube page of the video below, it would say that in the description. If you read the comments, many commenters are calling Russia true friends and criticizing Western European nations. I'm sure the "From Russia with Love" stickers in ENGLISH helped convince some people the world Putin is a caring man. Propaganda works.

Also notice in the video the Italian Foreign Minister and other government officials are not properly wearing their masks. When he pulls down his mask to talk in front of a  mic, he lets the outside of the mask touch his face. Doesn't he have access to professionals that can educate him on how to wear a mask? If any of you have a mask with a metal strip that goes over the nose, push down on it so the metal strip forces the mask to conform over your nose for a good seal otherwise air would just go around the mask. Most videos I've seen of people wearing masks, they don't wear the masks properly. They just put it on but they don't fit it to their face.

[krimster2]

yes...
Europe will drop sanctions
this is the advanced PR work towards that goal

[Belvis]

The planes landed in at Pratica di Mare military base near Rome. 

That's right. Then Russian convoy made a 650 km march to the north of Italy.
1. The landing base was provided by Italian MoD as the largest one to accept in short time a group of  heavy cargo airplanes.
2. The final destination for Russian medical force was assigned by Italian authorities  after they have evaluated the potential of Russians to fight coronavirus. The worst-hit northern region Bergamo was chosen.

[ML]

That's right. Then Russian convoy made a 650 km march to the north of Italy.
. . . after they have evaluated the potential of Russians to fight coronavirus. The worst-hit northern region Bergamo was chosen.

You have got to be joking !!

Everyone, even you and I, knew the supplies were needed in the north of Italy from day 1.

[Belvis]

You have got to be joking !!

Everyone, even you and I, knew the supplies were needed in the north of Italy from day 1.

We knew  . But the decision where to direct aid could be made  only by Italian officials, they know the problem better than anyone else. For example, Ukrainian team of 20 medics was assigned to work in central Italy.

[SANDRO43]

You have got to be joking !! Everyone, even you and I, knew the supplies were needed in the north of Italy from day 1.

You are excused for your lack of knowledge of Italian geography, Bergamo IS in northern Italy, some 60 Km NE of Milan, and is now in a worse shape than here, hence deemed more in need of Russian help.
For which we are thankful .

[ML]

You are excused for your lack of knowledge of Italian geography, Bergamo IS in northern Italy, some 60 Km NE of Milan, and is now in a worse shape than here, hence deemed more in need of Russian help.
For which we are thankful .

No Sandro, you have misread my postings.

[SANDRO43]

No Sandro, you have misread my postings.

How? This statement of yours is clear enough . 

Everyone, even you and I, knew the supplies were needed in the north of Italy from day 1.

Apparently you are disappointed about Russian help not reaching its proper destination - as indeed it did.

Maybe Belvis's "Then Russian convoy made a 650 km march to the north of Italy." misled you.

The Russian planes landed at Pratica di Mare, a military airport some 35 Km south of Rome, hence the 650 Km trek northwards to Bergamo.

[ML]

Nope, sorry Sandro, but we are miscommunicating big time.

But not important enough to pursue.

[Grumpy]

It may have something to do with which airports could handle the heavy cargo planes.

Or perhaps the Italians have heard a story about a Trojan horse.

[SANDRO43]

It may have something to do with which airports could handle the heavy cargo planes.

The landing strip at Pratica di Mare is 2,542 mt. (8,340') long. Being an IAF airbase, its security is also higher than in normal commercial airports.

[BillyB]

The landing strip at Pratica di Mare is 2,542 mt. (8,340') long. Being an IAF airbase, its security is also higher than in normal commercial airports.

I checked Google maps and used the scale. The airport at Milan has a runway around 13,000 feet long. As far as security goes, I don't think the Russian planes were hauling classified material and who in their right mind would blow up a plane full of medical supplies?

It may have something to do with which airports could handle the heavy cargo planes.

Or perhaps the Italians have heard a story about a Trojan horse.

An A380 was parked at Milan's airport. They can handle large heavy planes. I doubt the Russian cargo plane was at full compacity since it was hauling people and medical supplies instead of armored vehicles.

[SANDRO43]

As far as security goes, I don't think the Russian planes were hauling classified material and who in their right mind would blow up a plane full of medical supplies?

Alright, I meant HEALTH security . It would not have been courteous to get the Russian health staff infected when they reached us, now would it?

[BillyB]

Alright, I meant HEALTH security . It would not have been courteous to get the Russian health staff infected when they reached us, now would it?

The Italian officials who met the Russians at Pratica di Mare probably got screened to see if they had the virus. The same officials could've drove up to Milan and get screened to meet the Russians in Milan.

I doubt the American government would fly Medical supplies urgently needed by NY into Pennsylvania and then have it driven to NY. If that happened, it'll be all over the news talking about Trump's incompetence.  I'm surprised Italian citizens haven't questioned the judgement of their government on why the supplies were sent far away from the action.

[SANDRO43]

BillyB, I am thoroughly bored with your meaningless quibbles. I know more of what happens here than you possibly can. So go take a good walk, while you still can .

[BillyB]

I know more of what happens here than you possibly can.

You're giving your opinion that the Russians landed down South for health reasons. Your opinion isn't fact. I also know you like Russia more than me.

[SANDRO43]

You're giving your opinion that the Russians landed down South for health reasons. Your opinion isn't fact.

My "opinion" is based on what the head of our Protezione Civile said - and that is a FACT from someone who knows what he is talking about on this matter.   

I also know you like Russia more than me.

Another silly quibble, I never liked the Soviet Union, or Russia under Putin either.

Go for a walk.

[BC]

Billy,

Rome is an excellent staging area and makes total sense as Sandro indicated.  It is outside of the hotspot, allows officials (seated in Rome) to review their capabilities, plan and brief for deployment and coordinate with local authorities in the chosen destination area. The majority of Italy, north, south, east and west can be reached within a days drive. Even the islands can be reached by ferry from Rome if that was deemed necessary.  The fact they were sent into the hottest of hotspots says a lot regarding their capabilities and I am sure their help is appreciated.

Is there some PR value for China and Russia to assist?  Sure, why not.

[BillyB]

My "opinion" is based on what the head of our Protezione Civile said - and that is a FACT from someone who knows what he is talking about on this matter.   

Did he make that statement after it was criticized the supplies wasn't shipped to where it was needed most? Is his statement on record with the date he made the statement?

Russian plane flies supplies into NY JFK airport. That's how it's supposed to be done. If Trump or someone from his administration directed the plane to land 650km from NY city, the media would hammer him for being incompetent.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/russian-plane-coronavirus-medical-gear-lands-u-s-after-trump-n1174436

Billy,

Rome is an excellent staging area and makes total sense as Sandro indicated.  It is outside of the hotspot, allows officials (seated in Rome) to review their capabilities, plan and brief for deployment and coordinate with local authorities in the chosen destination area.

Are all the experts in Rome? There's no experts where they are needed most in Northern Italy? There should be experts in Northern Italy that know which hospitals need certain supplies the most better than the guys down in Rome.

[SANDRO43]

BillyB, I am taking a step that I only did once many years ago: I shall put you on IGNORE.

I am fed up with your dumb posts, you are thicker than a brick in the walls you build .

[BC]

Are all the experts in Rome? There's no experts where they are needed most in Northern Italy? There should be experts in Northern Italy that know which hospitals need certain supplies the most better than the guys down in Rome.

Again your ignorance astounds abounds.  They were not performing a simple supply run.

[BillyB]

BC, maybe you can help Sandro locate the statement by an Italian official saying the Russians were flown down South for health security reasons although you seem to think the reason was for officials (seated in Rome) to review Russian capabilities, plan and brief for deployment and coordinate with local authorities in the chosen destination area.

[BC]

BC, maybe you can help Sandro locate the statement by an Italian official saying the Russians were flown down South for health security reasons although you seem to think the reason was for officials (seated in Rome) to review Russian capabilities, plan and brief for deployment and coordinate with local authorities in the chosen destination area.

I am not your research staff.  If that is what you seek, I'll be happy to provide that service to you. PM me your billing address and I'll send a retainer agreement and banking information.  5k EUR non-reimbursable and 250 per hour plus expenses. All fees (excluding expenses) will be donated to Italian Coronavirus relief efforts.

[calmissile]

Billy, your beginning to become a bore!  I have read your posts over the past few years and you clearly make brash statements of fact that are simply something you read on the internet and without a sliver of personal knowledge or expertise.

You did it when responding to aircraft accidents and avionics posts yet you have no knowledge whatsoever about the topics.  It's getting old.

I can deal with someone offering an opinion, even absent any personal knowledge but making your posts full of 'facts' without the references makes it impossible to know what to believe.

Perhaps if you limit your "statements of facts"  to something you know something about (such as construction) you might have more credibility and be less abrasive to the members.

 I will be the first to admit "I don't know SHIT about viruses".  As a result, I will not be making any statements of fact or conclusions about the source of the virus.  Nevertheless, my scientific curiosity does cause me to research scientific areas that interest me.

As to the source of the virus, I did a simple Google search because I was also curious about how the viruses originate and how they are spread.  Here is a link that seems to have been fairly well peer reviewed and may provide a reasonable explanation (maybe 2 actually).   There is no tin hat conspiracy involved.  You might want to read it and see if you can follow the logic and theories these researchers have investigated.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

[BillyB]

you clearly make brash statements of fact that are simply something you read on the internet and without a sliver of personal knowledge or expertise.

I have posts in this thread that are opinions and facts. Which posts of mine obtained facts you disagree with?

As to the source of the virus, I did a simple Google search because I was also curious about how the viruses originate and how they are spread.  Here is a link that seems to have been fairly well peer reviewed and may provide a reasonable explanation (maybe 2 actually).   There is no tin hat conspiracy involved.  You might want to read it and see if you can follow the logic and theories these researchers have investigated.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

The science daily article is deceptive and leaves the readers to believe it. ML put up some articles earlier that were similar. If you look at the bottom of your article is refers to The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2. Nature Medicine, 2020 which is what ML's article referred to. Here was my response to ML's article and now yours.

Both links leads to the Nature Medicine article below.

http://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Our comparison of alpha- and betacoronaviruses identifies two notable genomic features of SARS-CoV-2: (i) on the basis of structural studies7,8,9 and biochemical experiments1,9,10

The authors of the article didn't do the studies and experiments but relied on studies and experiments performed by others noted in the referenced numbers. If you look at the bottom of the web link, much of the information they rely on comes from China.

Plants want to live like you and I. They grow thorns, tough skins, and taste bitter to discouraged other living things from eating them. The wheat we grow is different than the wheat the Romans ate. We breed fruits and vegetables to have less thorns, be bigger, less bitter, and appealing in color. Some of these experiments happen in laboratories. We can breed animals and other living things too until we get the results we want. Labs that create biological weapons aren't much different. They can try to genetically mutate a virus or inject the virus in many animals and allow it to mutate naturally within animals bodies until they find the toughest most dangerous strain to use in war.

This new coronavirus has never been found in an animal. Not in a snake pen, not in a cave of bats, or herd of camels. There hasn't been an animal on earth found that carried the virus and gave it to humans. What's the sense of exterminating the virus from our bodies when the killer is running loose in an animal only kill again? There should be a massive manhunt for the animal source that started this. I can't stress enough the importance of finding the source because even if we are successful in beating the virus out of every human body, we can experience this again if the animals that's carrying the virus aren't exterminated. It's costing lives, and we are going to spend untold trillions, and years to fight this virus. Isn't it worth spending a few billion dollars to fund the largest manhunt in history to find the source? If China didn't spend any money, manhours, and effort to find the animal source, they know where it came from.



Cal, if China presented the infected group of animals or even a piece of infected meat, they wouldn't and couldn't be making claims the American Army brought it into China. That claim alone tells me two things. One, they don't have proof it came from an animal and two, they think the Americans engineered the virus in a lab.

[jone]

I have posts in this thread that are opinions and facts. Which posts of mine obtained facts you disagree with?

The science daily article is deceptive and leaves the readers to believe it. ML put up some articles earlier that were similar. If you look at the bottom of your article is refers to The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2. Nature Medicine, 2020 which is what ML's article referred to. Here was my response to ML's article and now yours.

Both links leads to the Nature Medicine article below.

http://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Our comparison of alpha- and betacoronaviruses identifies two notable genomic features of SARS-CoV-2: (i) on the basis of structural studies7,8,9 and biochemical experiments1,9,10

The authors of the article didn't do the studies and experiments but relied on studies and experiments performed by others noted in the referenced numbers. If you look at the bottom of the web link, much of the information they rely on comes from China.

Plants want to live like you and I. They grow thorns, tough skins, and taste bitter to discouraged other living things from eating them. The wheat we grow is different than the wheat the Romans ate. We breed fruits and vegetables to have less thorns, be bigger, less bitter, and appealing in color. Some of these experiments happen in laboratories. We can breed animals and other living things too until we get the results we want. Labs that create biological weapons aren't much different. They can try to genetically mutate a virus or inject the virus in many animals and allow it to mutate naturally within animals bodies until they find the toughest most dangerous strain to use in war.

This new coronavirus has never been found in an animal. Not in a snake pen, not in a cave of bats, or herd of camels. There hasn't been an animal on earth found that carried the virus and gave it to humans. What's the sense of exterminating the virus from our bodies when the killer is running loose in an animal only kill again? There should be a massive manhunt for the animal source that started this. I can't stress enough the importance of finding the source because even if we are successful in beating the virus out of every human body, we can experience this again if the animals that's carrying the virus aren't exterminated. It's costing lives, and we are going to spend untold trillions, and years to fight this virus. Isn't it worth spending a few billion dollars to fund the largest manhunt in history to find the source? If China didn't spend any money, manhours, and effort to find the animal source, they know where it came from.



Cal, if China presented the infected group of animals or even a piece of infected meat, they wouldn't and couldn't be making claims the American Army brought it into China. That claim alone tells me two things. One, they don't have proof it came from an animal and two, they think the Americans engineered the virus in a lab.

3.  The Chinese are deflecting and spreading disinformation.   Has nothing to do with what is true.

[BillyB]

3.  The Chinese are deflecting and spreading disinformation.   

I'm not so sure that they are the only ones doing that.

From Cal's ScienceDaily website is an article from Scripps Research which is the #1 most influential research institution in the world according to wiki. That article and the ones from ML's Biospace and Health24 refer to the Nature Medicine report that heavily relies on Research/Studies done in China by Chinese scientists. Scripps Research seems qualified to do the research themselves but instead relied on somebody else's work. Although they are experts in their field of work, they are also human, have flaws and have interests. They may have an interest in preventing war and peer reviewing a study that is deceptive and present it as credible. No data or study comes out of China without government approval. Smart scientists should know that.

There are organizations that control climate data and if they manipulate the data they release to scientists around the world to use for their studies, many of those scientists will come to the conclusion the earth is heating up way too fast to be normal not knowing they are using manipulated or incomplete data that altered their research and the conclusion. Climategate taught us that. If we see the Western medical science community continue to use Chinese data, we need to question why they aren't doing the research on the viruses themselves. Maybe they are wanting the data to show the virus came from animals instead of a laboratory to prevent war? A lot of scientists in the world think they know what's best for humanity and if given the chance, they will alter how we think and how we act.

[msmob]

Silly BillyB,

You asked a question ...


You KEEP posting links that prove you neither studied Biology to an advanced level bor studied the geography of Italy in relation to Italian Military Airforce Bases.

You managed to 'annoy' Sandro and Cal and you STILL 'protest' surprise at being referred to as BORING.

What part of this don't you understand?....


I have watched you flip and flop as you argue black is white then white is black as you read articles on this virus to the extent you do not realise how you entertain ...not realising what you are doing.

No...I am NOT going to give you examples, because when I do this, you ignore them and seize on something else.

You are too bored.