2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[Trenchcoat]

UK beating the EU hands down on rollout of the coronavirus vaccine. We're well ahead of them and they've barely started. An early clear win for Brexit there, had we not left the EU we would be stuck in that mess with many in the UK losing their loved ones through a slow EU rollout situation. Von der what not, not leading well on this one, she's upset the NI lot and now has resorted blaming everyone else for mistakes of not being able to secure enough vaccine in a timely manner.

[BillyB]

I personally know two people who are COVID positive and they say it's the worst experience they ever been in. One is currently in the hospital for the second time. This time he went due to massive blood clotting in his lungs which some people can get with COVID. He can barely breathe and is in massive pain. He will be on medication to thin his blood for a minimum of 3 months.

[BillyB]

CDC recommends quarantining after exposure to COVID 3 months after taking the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine. It is not know how long the vaccine will last. If it only works for 3 months, a person will need 8 shots a year for adequate protection.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fully-vaccinated-people-can-skip-covid-quarantines-cdc-says/ar-BB1dA6Ve?ocid=msedgntp


The latest vaccines doesn't seem to work well on the new UK strain. If we are going to need a new vaccine for every new strain and there are 20 strains running loose, it's possible we'll need 160 shots a year for adequate protection. Too bad they can't find a vaccine that works for a lifetime. In 40 years, they couldn't find a vaccine for HIV. I doubt they could find a decent vaccine for the virus of the century. It's going to start sinking in on how much China has screwed up our lives. We'll we ever return to normal?

http://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1358508146101207043

[ML]

It's going to start sinking in on how much China has screwed up our lives.

Yes, wife and I often question why  this is not happening world wide.

[BC]

Yes, wife and I often question why  this is not happening world wide.

This is because, as in the past, we have no way of controlling where the next deadly pandemic will originate.

Maybe Kansas again?

[Gator]

It's going to start sinking in on how much China has screwed up our lives. We'll we ever return to normal?

China?  I don't understand.  For almost a year we were told this was Trump's fault.  Now its China's fault?

[tfcrew]

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[tfcrew]

Cuomo participated in 'coverup' of New York nursing home coronavirus deaths: Rep. Lee Zeldin
Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y., on Sunday slammed New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo for "covering up" nursing home deaths in the state during the onset of the coronavirus pandemic.
Cuomo, a Democrat, received further criticism over remarks made during a press conference on Friday, his first public statement made since state Attorney General Letitia James, also a Democrat, said that the state Department of Health underreported COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes by as much as 50%.
CUOMO BLAMES NURSING HOME SCANDAL ON 'POLITICAL ATTACK' BY TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
Trying to defend himself with statistics, Cuomo said, "A third of all deaths in this nation are from nursing homes. New York State we’re only about 28% -- only. But we’re below the national average in number of deaths in nursing homes. But who cares? 33, 28 died in hospital, died in the nursing home – they died."
"Whenever you hear him say ‘who cares,’ every time that video is played, I think of the family that lost a loved one – a mom or dad, grandma or grandpa. I don’t look at this story about being about data, statistics, numbers – this is a coverup," Zeldin, a Republican representing New York's 1st congressional district, said in an appearance on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."
"It’s a coverup of a policy that ended up resulting in that grandmother or grandfather losing their lives," he told host Maria Bartiromo. "Early on, this is the end of March 2020, New York State ordered these nursing homes to take in infected patients and place them with healthy residents and then it spread like wildfire -- which is even a term that Gov. Cuomo has used, and then they covered it up."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-cuomo-nursing-home-coronavirus-deaths-coverup

[fathertime]

China?  I don't understand.  For almost a year we were told this was Trump's fault.  Now its China's fault?

I'm not sure what you don't understand. It isn't trump's fault or not likely china's fault either.  A virus is a natural event in nature.  The fact that it has wrecked so much havoc here is a function of our poor health and laissez  faire attitude.    China is coming out stronger than ever because of their current population being in better health and younger.  In addition they are producing a tremendous volume of goods, and are able to capitalize financially on the rest of the world's want/need for their goods. 

Fathertime!

[Gator]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-cuomo-nursing-home-coronavirus-deaths-coverup

Important point, and I addressed it in another thread.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24655.msg552236#msg552236

Some are now calling this obstruction of justice.

[Gator]

A friend sent me some interesting data reported by the CDC (I did not confirm):   

Year 2017:   2,818,503 Americans died
Year 2018:   2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019:   2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
Year 2020:   2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)


BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2019 and the jump to 2020 was only 57,641 ???  We have been told that COVID is responsible now for 400,000 + deaths.  Shouldn't the 2020 number be larger larger???

 
So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and how many died of other causes WITH COVID? 

The implications - the severity of the COVID pandemic was overstated for political reasons.  Those political leaders of state/local governments who supported lockdowns, etc. to demonstrate their power and to make political gains, now face high costs of recovery.  Who will pay for the recovery?  Red states whose economy  fared better during the lockdown will pay more than their proportionate share.  AKA, rewarding bad decision making. 

[fathertime]

A friend sent me some interesting data reported by the CDC (I did not confirm):   

Year 2017:   2,818,503 Americans died
Year 2018:   2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019:   2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
Year 2020:   2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)


BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2019 and the jump to 2020 was only 57,641 ???  We have been told that COVID is responsible now for 400,000 + deaths.  Shouldn't the 2020 number be larger larger???

I'm going to have to agree.  Why are total deaths only 57k more than normal?  I can understand less deaths  due to accidents and things like that if people are staying indoors more, but that doesn't account for how the excess deaths isn't much closer to the number of Covid deaths.   I would like to hear what the reason could be.

Fathertime! 

[ML]

A friend sent me some interesting data reported by the CDC (I did not confirm):   

Year 2017:   2,818,503 Americans died
Year 2018:   2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019:   2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
Year 2020:   2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2019 and the jump to 2020 was only 57,641 ???  We have been told that COVID is responsible now for 400,000 + deaths.  Shouldn't the 2020 number be larger larger???

I checked CDC website
2018 2,839,205
2019 2,854,838
2020  None shown yet . . . strange for one and half months past end of 2020

2020 3,100,000 +   http://usafacts.org/articles
This would give 245,162 more deaths in 2020 over 2019

2020 3,200,000 +  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/08/
This would give 345,162 more deaths in 2020 over 2019

[Gator]

I checked CDC website


2020 3,100,000 +   http://usafacts.org/articles
This would give 245,162 more deaths in 2020 over 2019

2020 3,200,000 +  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/08/
This would give 345,162 more deaths in 2020 over 2019

Good work!  Your wife would award you an "A."  I don't know where my friend obtained his information. However, he was correct about 2017, 2018, and 2019. 

[BillyB]

A friend sent me some interesting data reported by the CDC (I did not confirm):   

Year 2017:   2,818,503 Americans died
Year 2018:   2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019:   2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
Year 2020:   2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

I Googled 2,913,144 deaths and it didn't lead me to a CDC website. It did lead me to a few articles and facebook posts so I wouldn't say it's truth.


Here's a website I kept from the beginning. America is currently experiencing 20,000 more deaths per week than what would be considered normal. Keep in mind, there would be more deaths if we didn't protect the elderly and take some action against COVID. Also, the total amount of deaths in 2020 can be calculated in the link below.


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard

[Gator]

Here's a website I kept from the beginning. America is currently experiencing 20,000 more deaths per week than what would be considered normal.

For a year, that amounts to 1,000,000 more deaths than expected.  More than 2x COVID deaths!!!!!!

I guess that would be due to increases in stress in many forms: economy, crime, seclusion, ....

[fathertime]

 

The implications - the severity of the COVID pandemic was overstated for political reasons.  Those political leaders of state/local governments who supported lockdowns, etc. to demonstrate their power and to make political gains, now face high costs of recovery.  Who will pay for the recovery?  Red states whose economy  fared better during the lockdown will pay more than their proportionate share.  AKA, rewarding bad decision making.

Since the number your quoted is completely wrong, your partisan conjecture was also completely off base. 

Fathertime!

[BillyB]

For a year, that amounts to 1,000,000 more deaths than expected.  More than 2x COVID deaths!!!!!!

I guess that would be due to increases in stress in many forms: economy, crime, seclusion, ....

There were weeks we had only 5000 more deaths per week than expected. America usually racks up 52,000-60,000 deaths per week when factoring all causes. In any given week, COVID increases that amount by 10%-25%. Would be more if we didn't make some adjustments to our lives. The good news is colds and flus are way down but even with the lives saved there, it doesn't cancel out what COVID is doing.

[BillyB]

Anybody know about the ROTHSCHILDS PATENTED COVID-19 BIOMETRIC TESTS IN 2015. AND 2017 in the Netherlands?

http://silview.media/2020/10/04/atomic-bombshell-rothschilds-patented-covid-19-biometric-tests-in-2015-and-2017/

[Gator]

Since the number your quoted is completely wrong,...

I mentioned I had not confirmed the report.  You went along with it too! So when pointing fingers, point at yourself too.

ML and Billy helped clarify with better data.  Good for them!

your partisan conjecture was also completely off base. 

It still stands as long as states/local governments with school lockdowns are demanding billions and billions of aid.

The pandemic was bad, real bad, yet was packaged as something worse for political gain.  Never waste a crisis. 

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[fathertime]

I mentioned I had not confirmed the report.  You went along with it too! So when pointing fingers, point at yourself too.

ML and Billy helped clarify with better data.  Good for them!

It was a good example of how bad information can get passed around.  I glanced at your post and made the bad assumption that the info was correct.  During the day I mentioned the bad information to someone else, it was only later that I happened to see the corrected data by the guys here.    I think I would have eventually checked it out myself because it was surprising that only 50k additional deaths occurred. 

Fathertime!   

[BillyB]

Now that elections are over, it's okay to show Democrats manipulated the death numbers of those who died in nursing homes after Cuomo ordered the elderly who are COVID positive to remain there which led to spread and more deaths. Cuomo was once praised for doing an awesome job handling the Pandemic and people wanted him to be President. He doesn't have to worry about losing his job. If his name was Trump, he'd be impeached and charged with murder.

Some of the warning I've wrote about vaccines here would get me banned if I posted my concerns on Facebook. Social media's agenda is to get people to take the vaccines without question after they promote only positive news on vaccines. FaceBook CEO Mark Zuckerberg got caught saying we don't know the long term side affects of modifying people's DNA and RNA.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/watch-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-takes-anti-vax-stance-violates-platform-policy/

[Faux Pas]

Some of the warning I've wrote about vaccines here would get me banned if I posted my concerns on Facebook. Social media's agenda is to get people to take the vaccines without question after they promote only positive news on vaccines. FaceBook CEO Mark Zuckerberg got caught saying we don't know the long term side affects of modifying people's DNA and RNA.[/size]

The vaccines were developed by the same folks that wish to depopulate the world, profiting from it yet, folks are lining up to get their shot. For me, that's actually enough reason to not take it but when you add in all of the other sh*t that the vaccines are already "known" to do, like kill the recipient and many cases make them sterile. Change their DNA to RNA for a platform system receptive to future vaccines, like whenTF does one take stock and say wait a minute here? This sh*t hasn't even been tested on animals which means, YOU are the animal. Wake up people

[fathertime]

The vaccines were developed by the same folks that wish to depopulate the world, profiting from it yet, folks are lining up to get their shot. For me, that's actually enough reason to not take it but when you add in all of the other sh*t that the vaccines are already "known" to do, like kill the recipient and many cases make them sterile. Change their DNA to RNA for a platform system receptive to future vaccines, like whenTF does one take stock and say wait a minute here? This sh*t hasn't even been tested on animals which means, YOU are the animal. Wake up people

I'm not sure what information is good and bad regarding the vaccine, but at this time I'm going to have to take my chances with the virus.  I'm not interested in the vaccine as of yet. 

Fathertime!