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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2775 on: January 08, 2023, 01:55:23 PM »
Ideal would be if Russia broke up into smaller pieces. Then in return for the West helping out those poor impoverished Russian states they had to give up all of their nukes. Best case scenario I reckon to the end of this conflict.

Of course that and including visa free access for all westerners ;D
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2776 on: January 09, 2023, 10:56:37 AM »
An interesting piece here:

http://eurasiantimes.com/t-90-tank-ukraine-is-blowing-up-abandoned-russian-tanks-to-score-pr-victory-over-moscow-indian-tankman/?amp

Pro Russian or Impartial?

India has shown some pro-Russian support for Putlers actions. However, India also trades with the West as well as Russia it appears. The article itself is apparently by a retired Indian Colonel though maybe still connected to the Indian Army. I thought an interesting alternative take on things anyway.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2777 on: January 10, 2023, 03:31:46 PM »
Looks like Bakhmut & Soledar are about to fall after being pounded to bits by Russian Artillery. Looks like the Russians are still managing to get artillery munitions to the front despite the Ukrainians having Himars.

Ukrainians stating that they are constantly in need of more weapons & ammo to hold off the Russians and still too small on that front. Most of their Soviet equipment has been used up and now Ukrainians rely mostly on western weapons supply. Germans are donating some Marders so possibly could ease their situation.

So now to see if Ukraine can counter anywhere. They took back a fair amount of territory in the north but with troop reinforcements on the Russian side regaining further ground may be harder this year.

Two British aid workers missing last seen going towards Soledar so doesn't look like a good start to the new year for them. Looking like they probably had it.

From this source looks like we might be supplying some Challenger MK2 tanks, possibly 10 as things are going looking like they might need it. The Challenger MK2 tanks being replaced by the Challenger MK3 tanks at the moment so getting rid of old stock. Still likely better than the old Soviet gear though:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/eurasiantimes.com/uk-considering-possibility-of-supplying-challenger-2-tanks/
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2779 on: January 11, 2023, 08:32:40 AM »
The AFU disagrees.

http://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1613127223384444931/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1613127223384444931&currentTweetUser=wartranslated

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2780 on: January 11, 2023, 08:46:57 AM »
Apparently Poland has decided to transfer a company of Leopard Tanks to Ukraine.


The UK has announced the intention to supply Ukraine with Tanks.


Germany is going to supply Ukraine with a Patriot Air Defence system.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2023, 08:56:13 AM by Chelseaboy »
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2781 on: January 11, 2023, 09:17:29 AM »
100 Ukrainians soon to go to Oklahoma for training to operate and maintain Patriots.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2782 on: January 11, 2023, 09:42:47 AM »
Well the orcs that gained access to some of Soledar may well be regretting it now.


Latest report from one hour ago.


"Ukrainian artillery has been hitting Russian units in Soledar all day with precision strikes.


Their exposed positions are easy for Ukrainian drone operators to spot ".


This is what happens when you first level an area then try and take it....idiots.


Sounds like a massacre of orcs is occurring in Soledar,lured into a trap by a slight withdrawal of the AFU and highly unlikely they'll be able to hold their positions for very long.


Update : I've just seen an actual video of a Wagner Unit entering the partly walled-garden of a levelled property,just south of the Salt mine in Soledar.They're spotted by a Drone,start a panic-stricken stampede out of the garden,then the artillery hits them leaving a result of a lot of Wagner orcs lying around in bits. >:D
« Last Edit: January 11, 2023, 10:16:38 AM by Chelseaboy »
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2783 on: January 11, 2023, 10:15:24 AM »
the flow of money from the gas industry to the Russian government
was as important as the flow of water from the Nile was to ancient Egypt
70% of Russian government revenue WAS the gas industry
BUT NOT ANY MORE!!!!

that gas money river had little canals carved into it, the biggest was the Putin canal, but there are hundreds of others that are siphoning water out of the main river into their own little sub-canals and so-on and so-forth

as of Jan 1, 2023, the water level in the river and canals is down 55% from a year ago!
two of the main inflows that cost BILLIONS to build are gone completely
and it seriously looks like that 2 years from now that flow of gas and money from Europe to Russia will be close to ZERO!!!

and worse of all, it's arch-enemy "AMERIKA" is taking this lucrative gas business away from Russia upon which their government is SO DEPENDENT!!!
while at the same time America's war industry is blowing the kakashka out of the Russian military
with the only consequence being that American defense companies are making record breaking production levels not seen since WWII
while Russia loses hundreds of billions of dollars in war costs through an "involuntary inventory reduction program"

America simply recycles their oldest weapons to Ukraine and replaces them with brand new freshly made ones
as the old weapons rain down upon poor Russian Gopnicks and kills them by the tens of thousands
Americans are safely home in bed
ahhh - the heavy price of victory...  what's Lockheed up to now, per share?

the longer Putin does this, the more he loses...
so what does that imply?

that he DOES have a plan to WIN
but to be able to get to a winning state to from where he currently is...
would require a freakin MIRACLE to happen
something BIBLICAL


There is ALREADY a HUGE budget shortfall for this year in Russia and next year because they were based on projected dividends from GazProm which is set by the Russian governemnt to begin with, so they use current income estimate for their budget
dividend? did you say GazProm dividend?
HaHa
maybe a kopec, and NOT a kopec per share, but a kopec TOTAL divided by the number of shares
you want GazProm shares?
just walk outside in Moscow City Center
GazProm shares are those pieces of paper blowing down the street

the "drought"
is also gonna reduce the "special projects" for oligarchs, cause there won't be ANY spare GAZ billions to put into those
no more Sochi hotels, bridge to Krimea, etc....

now that this year's budget and the following ones are ALL SCREWED!!
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in the red (appropriate color, no?)
what is Russia to do?

either gobble up their remaining foreign reserves + gold stock pile
or convert all government debt to rubles
and buy as many printing presses as they can

i'm gonna go with the printing press approach
so by end of next year, I see 50-100% inflation in Russia

America has Ju Jitsu economic skills
use your opponents moves against him
while you use minimum force
subdue your opponent and let him tire himself out
until he can't really fight any more

Russians have a myth in Crimea
about two snakes devouring each other simultaneously, each eating the other tail first
which one lives?
which one dies?

you ask yourself this
as you watch the two snakes struggle






« Last Edit: January 11, 2023, 02:03:37 PM by krimster2 »

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2784 on: January 11, 2023, 11:25:08 AM »
Interesting that Ukraine is being inundated with people from around the world asking to fight for Ukraine...many even offering to pay for the privilege.


However,the Ukrainians are being VERY selective on who they will allow to join their armed forces...saying volunteers need to have particular skills.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2785 on: January 11, 2023, 11:58:11 AM »
There are daily video updates from the AFU from both Soledar and Bahkmut ...i suspect this  is in response to the Russian bot operation going into overdrive desperately trying to proclaim a victory somewhere and making false claims.


The important thing is that both towns are still held by the AFU...as of this morning  ;D



I suspect Trench might enjoy the one from Soledar where a rather pleasant young female soldier is giving  updates.normally accompanied by fierce-looking male soldiers...she's one of five thousand Ukrainian women fighting on the front,and from the ones i've seen many are absolutely stunning. :P


Frostbite is becoming a real problem,with one soldier having to be evacuated and about to lose all his toes.



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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2786 on: January 12, 2023, 04:01:23 AM »
Ukrainian forces have made advances towards Kreminna in recent days,with battles now in the western outskirts.


In the Donetsk region ..the General Staff of the AFU.


"During the past day the Air Force made 20 strikes on enemy concentration areas,as well as three strikes on the positions of it's anti-aircraft systems.


During the past day ,UA soldiers shot down a KA-52 Helicopter,as well as two reconnaissance UAV's of the "Orian -10" type.
Rockets and artillerymen of the Armed Forces hit the enemy control post,7 manpower concentration areas ,and three ammunition depots of the invaders. "


Nice start to the day today...Ukrainian forces downed a Russian SU-25 attack aircraft on the eastern frontline.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2787 on: January 12, 2023, 07:52:38 AM »
Another video from Solader this morning from Commander "Witch"  ( yeah i can imagine she's left a few blokes spellbound in her time ),this time while she's driving around in the town.


"As for the operational situation today ,i must say that the Russian forces have stopped the offensive.Our artillery is working very powerfully today,very effectively.Many people are now falling into a daze about the solidarity,about the flank bypass.If we talk about military science,i want to tell you one thing.Rapid advance of the troops on the flanks makes these flanks very vulnerable.So you don't have to fall into a daze.The front is big and we constantly move 500,000 metres back and forth on the front.
Today some positions have retreated,because we still value the lives of our soldiers.Unlike the Russians ,who simply use Wagner's troops and their units as cannon fodder, our Commanders save the lives of the military.And if there is an opportunity to save ,we will always save it.This must be understood correctly.We do not need a victory at any cost.We need a victory that will be a victory,not just a big loss.
So now we are working very actively,not only in this direction.I can't tell you all the details ,but i want to point out the Armed Forces Of Ukraine can trust them.We hold the defense,we control the situation,we understand what the enemy is doing,how it does it's actions and why it does it,and decisions are made that can block certain actions of the occupation troops.
All i can say is glory to Ukraine ,glory to our nation,glory to our soldiers.Everything will be fine.Sometimes in order to win,you need to play a game of pita."







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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2788 on: January 12, 2023, 07:35:09 PM »
According to Euronews, Soledar is littered with the bodies of both Ukrainians & Russians. My guess is that would sound accurate enough of the situation given the intense fighting happening in that area.

It sounds like Russia all along is probably taking greater casualties but it sounds like Ukraine is also taking many casualties as well.

At this point it looks like this may be the scene of things for a while, heavy battles with much of a stalemate situation going on unless one side can bring something extra to bear.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2789 on: January 13, 2023, 08:29:09 AM »
Chernovoltsev, the head of the NII-2 research facility, was just fired!
so that means, it ain't gonna be Novichok, that Putin will turn into a shovel to dig himself out of the hole he's in
it's gonna be SOMETHING ELSE!!!
and it all points to one THING!!

Putin's calculations over the risk of escalation
are influenced by the fact that he knows that under current conditions, the Russian economy will suffer a major collapse in 2 years IF the war continues...
because of that, he's motivated to take risks
and he STILL thinks he can bluff the west, if he takes it, right to the EDGE

instead of the complete conquest of Ukraine
Rasputin will take a new position, and try to permanently keep his territorial gains in the south and east promote some kind of "truce"
and then rebuild his military for the future

if Ukraine, tries to recapture the territory in the south and east, it will be a war of attrition, Russia has no problem sacrificing gazillions of gopnicks from remote Russian provinces
going forward,
if I were in charge of Ukraine's strategy, instead of spending Ukrainian lives recapturing territory
i'd keep doing what they're doing, attacking logistics (these attacks pay huge dividends)
and just keep Russia "pinned down" for as long as it takes, until their collapsed economy forces them to withdraw
patience is a difficult virtue to muster, when little kids are being killed, but truth is always on the side of that which is most difficult

let the russians exert themselves with "offensives" which thanks to the West, Ukraine will have more knowledge regarding Russian positions and movements than Russian commanders
Ukraine will be a gaint python squeezing the life out of the russian military and economy



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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2790 on: January 13, 2023, 08:52:47 AM »
Darth Putin@DarthPutinKGB


Will arrest whole of Russia & send them to Wagner so i can advance at 1km a day & be in Kiev by 2027 with just 8 million casualties.


I remain a master strategist.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2791 on: January 13, 2023, 10:15:22 AM »
"Will arrest whole of Russia & send them to Wagner so i can advance at 1km a day & be in Kiev by 2027 with just 8 million casualties."

not a joke, this has been going on for YEARS...
just not up to 8 million YET...

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2792 on: January 13, 2023, 06:47:15 PM »

and worse of all, it's arch-enemy "AMERIKA" is taking this lucrative gas business away from Russia upon which their government is SO DEPENDENT!!!
while at the same time America's war industry is blowing the kakashka out of the Russian military
with the only consequence being that American defense companies are making record breaking production levels not seen since WWII
while Russia loses hundreds of billions of dollars in war costs through an "involuntary inventory reduction program"

America simply recycles their oldest weapons to Ukraine and replaces them with brand new freshly made ones
as the old weapons rain down upon poor Russian Gopnicks and kills them by the tens of thousands
Americans are safely home in bed
ahhh - the heavy price of victory...  what's Lockheed up to now, per share?


Cunning indeed, I think along with that and the US gaining from it's LNG industry moving into Europe I think they are also likely to gain in another way for their weapons industry. All the weapons being gifted to Ukraine, by the West but particularly by the US is likely to result in a potentially long term customer in the form of Ukraine should it win the war. Post war Ukraine will need to resupply its army and by that point and probably already it will be almost entirely dependant on western armaments.

So the US gifting Patriot missiles to Ukraine today will likely make them want to restock with Patriot missiles at the end of the war. Same with guns, ammunition, tanks, armoured personnel carriers, anti-tank launchers, infantry helmets & armour, artillery, etc, etc. The list is no doubt an extensive one but so we see that the West gifting Ukraine armaments is really like just one big armaments bazaar with many western countries touting for it's future trade. If Ukraine gets hooked on German Leopard Tanks it will put orders in for more if them and of course for parts supply, on anti-tank it may prefer to but NLAW's or maybe instead Javelins or possibly both.

So out go the old Soviet Kalashnikovs, T-72 tanks, artillery, etc and in are bought modern western weaponry. Pretty much all that Soviet gear will have been a spent force by the end of the war anyway. So Ukraine will be hooked on western weapons and will likely be indebted to western finance to pay for it all. After all it will want to keep it's fighting force in good shape after having fought so hard against the Russians to dissuade any further attacks.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2793 on: January 14, 2023, 11:28:52 AM »
Cunning indeed, I think along with that and the US gaining from it's LNG industry moving into Europe I think they are also likely to gain in another way for their weapons industry. All the weapons being gifted to Ukraine, by the West but particularly by the US is likely to result in a potentially long term customer in the form of Ukraine should it win the war. Post war Ukraine will need to resupply its army and by that point and probably already it will be almost entirely dependant on western armaments.

So the US gifting Patriot missiles to Ukraine today will likely make them want to restock with Patriot missiles at the end of the war. Same with guns, ammunition, tanks, armoured personnel carriers, anti-tank launchers, infantry helmets & armour, artillery, etc, etc. The list is no doubt an extensive one but so we see that the West gifting Ukraine armaments is really like just one big armaments bazaar with many western countries touting for it's future trade. If Ukraine gets hooked on German Leopard Tanks it will put orders in for more if them and of course for parts supply, on anti-tank it may prefer to but NLAW's or maybe instead Javelins or possibly both.

So out go the old Soviet Kalashnikovs, T-72 tanks, artillery, etc and in are bought modern western weaponry. Pretty much all that Soviet gear will have been a spent force by the end of the war anyway. So Ukraine will be hooked on western weapons and will likely be indebted to western finance to pay for it all.

The US doesn't care about weapons sales to Ukraine.  It's a non-issue that nobody should spend any time looking at.
After the war, Ukraine is going to need minimal weaponry, and any they do need will be to counter threats from other nations. (Turkey?)  They will not need any meaningful amount because of Russia.

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After all it will want to keep it's fighting force in good shape after having fought so hard against the Russians to dissuade any further attacks.

There will be no further wars with Russia after this is over. (unless Russia nukes them to smithereens, in which case a fighting force isn't going to make a difference.)
After this war, Russia's only option in the future will be first strikes with nuclear weapons if they go to war.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2794 on: January 14, 2023, 06:38:26 PM »
Here's an interesting perspective on the Ukraine war.  Scroll past the intro to 5:27 to get into the Ukraine war part of the talk.



Peter doesn't go into Russian demographics in this presentation, but in other presentations he has done, he said that it was now or never for the Russians.  If the Russians waited any longer, they wouldn't have enough young people in the military.  Since the Soviet Union fell apart 30 years ago, Russians stopped having kids.  They are on the verge of a population implosion.  By 2070, Russia's population will be so low Russia will basically cease to exist.  (That's assuming they are able to regain Soviet borders before 1989.)  If Russia loses the war now, Russia will be gone in 20 years.  The Russian state knows they are dying.  The war in Ukraine is an attempt to be able to die on their own terms.  (Kidnapping all the Ukrainian kids and younger people is an attempt to rebuild the younger Russian demographics.)   

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2795 on: January 15, 2023, 02:47:10 PM »
UK now sending these big mother f*ckers to Ukraine:

http://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3652802-uk-will-send-as90-selfpropelled-guns-to-ukraine.html

With that kind of gear on the way could it soon all be over in Ukraine for Putler?
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2796 on: January 15, 2023, 03:09:17 PM »
UK now sending these big mother f*ckers to Ukraine:

http://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3652802-uk-will-send-as90-selfpropelled-guns-to-ukraine.html

With that kind of gear on the way could it soon all be over in Ukraine for Putler?

You're joking, right?  The active front line is 850 kilometers.  30 howitzers and 14 tanks are a tiny drop in the bucket.  Ukraine wants 300 tanks, and 700 IFV's.
The US already gave Ukraine over 140 M777 howitzers.

The only reason the UK gave the 14 tanks is to convince Germany to allow Leopard tanks to be given to Ukraine.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2797 on: January 15, 2023, 07:35:23 PM »
You're joking, right?  The active front line is 850 kilometers.  30 howitzers and 14 tanks are a tiny drop in the bucket.  Ukraine wants 300 tanks, and 700 IFV's.
The US already gave Ukraine over 140 M777 howitzers.

The only reason the UK gave the 14 tanks is to convince Germany to allow Leopard tanks to be given to Ukraine.

Not any old tanks but good quality British tanks Bee Farmer, they'll be worth many times their number ;)
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2798 on: January 16, 2023, 04:17:51 AM »
You're joking, right?  The active front line is 850 kilometers.  30 howitzers and 14 tanks are a tiny drop in the bucket.  Ukraine wants 300 tanks, and 700 IFV's.
The US already gave Ukraine over 140 M777 howitzers.

The only reason the UK gave the 14 tanks is to convince Germany to allow Leopard tanks to be given to Ukraine.


The only time a Challenger 2 Tank has been destroyed during operations was by another Challenger 2 Tank in a friendly fire incident at Basra in 2003,when the destroyed Tank had it's hatch open.


It has seen operational service in Bosnia & Herzegovina,Kosovo and Iraq.


The Russian Tank crews will be sh*tting themselves.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2799 on: January 16, 2023, 05:59:46 AM »
Not any old tanks but good quality British tanks Bee Farmer, they'll be worth many times their number ;)

How many times their number? 

How many thousand tanks do the Russians have?

 

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