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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2021, 03:44:30 PM »
Is that your opinion? I had no intention of injecting religion or abortion
or views.
Your comment of catching preggers from toilet seats is price
of tea in China unrelated. Your comments were not germane and you
know it.  The obfuscation below is an example of it.

Yet you did exactly that.  My comment directly questioned your linking of a number of abortions to a perceived 'worth' of a woman, or that something would be wrong with her values, mores, character, or desirability.

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FSUW above a certain age have children OR something happened. That was the point
stop asking questions you know the answer to. Go back and read the thread and you
should be able to follow along. If you can't let me know and I will connect the dots
for you.

You neither stated what that 'certain' age was, nor what 'something happened' really means or why they would be otherwise undesirable or of questionable character.

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The point I injected was really, really, really, really simple. Even a lefty snowflake
can understand it. I said that FSUW over a certain age have children, OR something
happened.

Plenty of things could happen, the same as women in many countries.  So what is it that 'happens' specifically to FSUW over a certain age that does not have children that is so unique to be a worthwhile topic?

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Lefty's like yourself AND Boe are unable to allow certain words to be uttered or
posted on a board without making an inane comment. Abortion is a lefty trigger
word.

You do seem to like putting folks in boxes if you can't relate.

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Here is a link to some coping strategies that might help you next time that
you feel triggered.


The only trigger is the fallacy you seem to be proposing - that most women over an unspecified age, without children, go in your box labeled 'undesirable' due to some unspecified 'happening', listing a number of conditions that would normally not be known, unless a relationship progresses.

1. 6 abortions - not a typical dating topic in my experience and hardly verifiable
2. A medical condition making them infertile or nearly so - which a woman may not even know, or was she with an infertile partner before?
3. Doesn't like or want sex - which does not mean she won't like it with a partner that turns her on or can help her overcome any sexual issues or inhibitions.
4. Lesbian - I doubt would be seeking a relationship with foreign men

And you don't even list one of the most obvious reasons, that a woman may simply not desire children - which may well fit in perfectly with a partner who also does not desire children.

Just curious, does your wife share your views with this topic?

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2021, 04:47:37 PM »
You sure our right about everything, and everybody else is 'wrong'. 

I provided a link backing up what I said. Go back and check it out
you might actually learn something.
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2021, 04:58:35 PM »
But, if you are a big proponent of banning abortion, then you should also be a big
proponent of lots and lots of government funding for poor women to raise those
unwanted babies.  Anything else is hypocritical.

PS - I just noted that attitudes toward abortion are different in the FSU than they are in the West, and I didn't understand why a man would be concerned with how many abortions a woman has had, beyond a concern of infertility if he wants to have children.  You are the one who interjected with the "murder" rationale.

I never stated my opinion. Abortion is against my religion but I've never been
preggers. I believe in having a safety net to help poor people. I don't believe
in a European cradle to grave system.

There are many churches that consider it murder therefore it's not unreasonable
to assume that there are people who agree with the teachings of their church.

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2021, 05:03:10 PM »
Yet you did exactly that.

No I didn't Boe brought it up. I had multiple abortions as a potential reason that
woman never had a child.

Just curious, does your wife share your views with this topic?

I don't bring up your wife or her potential theoretical views during these debates.

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2021, 05:22:43 AM »
No I didn't Boe brought it up. I had multiple abortions as a potential reason that
woman never had a child.

Sure? http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=658.msg559218#msg559218

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I don't bring up your wife or her potential theoretical views during these debates.

Just asking if, in your experience, your views were shared or supported by FSUW you are close to.  IIRC you dated a few FSUW over the years prior to marriage, certainly more than I.  Any consensus you noted?  I assume the subject came up in your conversations while dating?

I would like to hear your definitions regarding 'certain age' and what 'something happened' really means in terms of character.

Interesting article:

http://www.rbth.com/history/332381-soviet-condoms-history


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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2021, 09:01:15 AM »
http://www.rbth.com/history/332381-soviet-condoms-history


Condoms were not readily available, at least not in Moscow or Ukraine, in the late 1970's and all of the 1980's.
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2021, 10:49:39 AM »
When I was in Germany in 89 and the wall fell, folks from the East were amazed with some of the simplest western products, like paper towels and even plastic wrap (which might have been a good substitute for condoms). 

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2021, 11:07:27 AM »
When I was in Germany in 89 and the wall fell, folks from the East were amazed with some of the simplest western products, like paper towels and even plastic wrap (which might have been a good substitute for condoms).


Last time wifey's sister and her hubby spent the holidays with us, wifey had to stop by Target to pick up ziploc freezer bags because we were out of it. Her sister was elated that such actually exist as apparently they weren't available in Germany. True or not, I don't know. It may actually exist but just that she wasn't aware of it, although I would find that hard to believe because she's the one that does their shopping.
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2021, 11:23:53 AM »
Indeed, GQ, Ziploc bags are rare in Europe.  I take quite a few back as suitcase stuffing after visits to the US, the Hefty freezer bags I find are the best.

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2021, 04:46:09 PM »
When I was in Germany in 89 and the wall fell, folks from the East were amazed with some of the simplest western products, like paper towels and even plastic wrap (which might have been a good substitute for condoms).

When the good folks distribute thousands of condoms in African outback; those folks have been known to use them to transport water for the day.

Let's hope they were the unlubricated type.
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Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2021, 07:55:30 AM »
IIRC you dated a few FSUW over the years prior to marriage, certainly more than I.  Any consensus you noted?  I assume the subject came up in your conversations while dating?

I would like to hear your definitions regarding 'certain age' and what 'something happened' really means in terms of character.

Most Russia women over the age of 30 have a child. I didn't bring up abortions
as a topic of conversation. One FSUW brought up that she had 4 abortions. I have
been told by men on the forums that FSUW have used abortions as a method of
birth control, I've also been told by those same men that FSU men rarely use
condoms. I have no study or reference to point to.

My point about character is that many Western men would consider it a character
issue for a woman to have multiple abortions. Here is an article by a pro abortion
group about attitudes

"One abortion may be viewed as a reasonable “get out of jail free” card; having more
than one abortion is often presented as beyond the pale. A woman might be able to
decide she cannot continue with a pregnancy once, but to do so more than once
speaks of her irresponsibility, fecklessness and failure to use contraception. "
http://theconversation.com/attitudes-to-women-who-have-more-than-one-abortion-need-to-change-85707

I didn't intend to start a debate about abortion(s).
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2021, 08:12:11 AM »
Sure? http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=658.msg559218#msg559218

Yes I am sure, did you not read this post?

Most FSUW over a certain age have a child or children.
OR THEY HAVE/HAD/ARE
1. 6 abortions
2. A medical condition making them infertile or nearly so
3. Doesn't like or want sex
4. Lesbian

Why don't you figure out what it is that you want to argue about and let
me know. It would be helpful if you read all my posts before questioning
whether I said something or not.
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2021, 09:03:21 AM »
Most Russia women over the age of 30 have a child. I didn't bring up abortions
as a topic of conversation. One FSUW brought up that she had 4 abortions. I have
been told by men on the forums that FSUW have used abortions as a method of
birth control, I've also been told by those same men that FSU men rarely use
condoms. I have no study or reference to point to.

My point about character is that many Western men would consider it a character
issue for a woman to have multiple abortions. Here is an article by a pro abortion
group about attitudes

"One abortion may be viewed as a reasonable “get out of jail free” card; having more
than one abortion is often presented as beyond the pale. A woman might be able to
decide she cannot continue with a pregnancy once, but to do so more than once
speaks of her irresponsibility, fecklessness and failure to use contraception. "
http://theconversation.com/attitudes-to-women-who-have-more-than-one-abortion-need-to-change-85707

I didn't intend to start a debate about abortion(s).

Ok, then a POV mostly based on hearsay.  It is quite obvious that the number of abortions were higher than elsewhere, and some possible, even unavoidable causes, and as Boethius indicated different counting methodology.  My objection was the correlation being drawn, intentionally or not, between a number and character - not only of FSUW, but the men desiring relationships with them.

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2021, 09:06:06 AM »
Yes I am sure, did you not read this post?

Of course I did, as this was the first post mentioning religion.

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2021, 03:23:21 PM »
Ok, then a POV mostly based on hearsay.  It is quite obvious that the number of abortions were higher than elsewhere, and some possible, even unavoidable causes, and as Boethius indicated different counting methodology. 


Russia's abortion rate is 53.7 per 1,000 women.
Austria's abortion rate is  1.3 per 1,000 women.
USA is 20.8

Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world

My objection was the correlation being drawn, intentionally or not, between a
number and character - not only of FSUW, but the men desiring relationships
with them.

I pointed out that some men would see that as a character flaw. Perception
according to the link above said as much. My point had little or nothing to
do with abortion, my point is that FSUW above a certain age have kids. If
a FSUW is 38 and has zero kids I can tell you that is as rare as Mensa
candidates filmed for the Sports illustrated swimsuit issue.
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2021, 03:40:45 PM »
One FSUW brought up that she had 4 abortions. I have
been told by men on the forums that FSUW have used abortions as a method of
birth control,



I once dated a Russian doctor who had a patient that had 12 abortions. She too implied abortions were used as a birth control method.


When dating women, most men tend to go with the politically correct theme on that it's a woman's choice when it comes to abortion. I always tell my dates "Nobody in my family gets aborted". They will respect a man more, not less, for saying that.
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2021, 07:07:40 PM »
  my point is that FSUW above a certain age have kids. If
a FSUW is 38 and has zero kids I can tell you that is as rare as Mensa
candidates filmed for the Sports illustrated swimsuit issue.
I doubt that is a very accurate statement.  The birth rate isn't that high in that part of the world, probably less than the US.  I have several lady friends here in the states that never had kids, very good looking attractive women, and our birthrate is probably greater than over there.   

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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2021, 11:47:57 PM »

Russia's abortion rate is 53.7 per 1,000 women.
Austria's abortion rate is  1.3 per 1,000 women.
USA is 20.8

Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world

I pointed out that some men would see that as a character flaw. Perception
according to the link above said as much. My point had little or nothing to
do with abortion, my point is that FSUW above a certain age have kids. If
a FSUW is 38 and has zero kids I can tell you that is as rare as Mensa
candidates filmed for the Sports illustrated swimsuit issue.

Russia’s rate is high, but not as high as you quote. This is because miscarriages are included in abortion statistics.

In a comprehensive study, women who had abortions tended to have two children and were living with a man. The group with the least number of abortions were single women. Very different than in the US.
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« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2021, 11:59:28 AM »
I doubt that is a very accurate statement.  The birth rate isn't that high in that part of the world, probably less than the US.  I have several lady friends here in the states that never had kids, very good looking attractive women, and our birthrate is probably greater than over there.   

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« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2021, 12:04:01 PM »
In a comprehensive study, women who had abortions tended to have two children and were living with a man. The group with the least number of abortions were single women. Very different than in the US.

Do you have a link?

I didn't know that miscarriages were part of the rate. Were these only miscarriages
where they required a D&C? Because otherwise why would they put the two together?

Here is my link for the previous post
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Abortion/Abortion-rate
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2021, 12:19:30 PM »
Any miscarriage which requires medical attention is in the Russian statistics.  That is, because it is an abortion of a fetus.


I don't have a link, read it in Russian a number of years ago.  Those facts stuck out to me, because it's so different in North America.  Here's one that contains some of the same information-


http://www.jstor.org/stable/20164260
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« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2021, 12:38:41 PM »
Back to the Whipped vs Non Whipped

I think it mostly has to do with confidence and social skills.
Men that have either don't allow it to happen and those
without could be in for whipping(s).
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Re: Are American Men whipped?
« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2021, 01:44:16 PM »
I would say that I am (or have been) pussy whipped.

I have made many decisions my entire life since puberty based on some  consideration of pussy.

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« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2021, 03:19:39 PM »
Judaism. 

http://forward.com/opinion/393168/why-are-jews-so-pro-choice/


Judiasm has 613 commandments. Among the first 10 is "Thou shalt not kill".

Killing a defenseless baby in the womb is murder whether it is a crime or not. It would be no different than beheading  or sticking a knife into the chest of a handcuffed man IMO


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