Severodonetsk??

[Jamesukjames]

Tough words Boethius well I just seem to be playing by Ukrainian rules.  I'm a fast learner.  I genuinely would like to live the rest of my days with one woman.  But if the game is lure me in with sex then pump me for money then I'll try to take the bait and miss the trap.  I'm not making up the rules I'm playing the game laid before me.

[Boethius]

No, you're not playing by "Ukrainian rules".  A normal UM would not consider the women you have been meeting for a long term relationship.  Why are you taking the bait and wasting your time if you're not a sex tourist?  It sounds to me as if you don't truly want a LTR.  You are making up the rules, just as much as the women, whether or not  you acknowledge that fact.  You're hunting wolves, and then you feign surprise that a wolf is acting like a wolf.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

[Jamesukjames]

So boethius how does a man rule out the wolves as they are probably the most aggressive daters on the internet and overshadow the sheep.  Also I guess there is an element of wolf in me maybe I do need a fellow wolf.

[Gator]

“at some point I have to start trusting her.”

absolutely!
we’re just trying to raise your awareness about the VERY high levels of dishonesty in the world that you are entering...

whatever “social intelligence” you’ve developed by livin’ large in America
will be woefully inadequate for Ukraine...

gullible outcomes typically come about through the exploitation of your “willingness to believe”  that’s why you need to be a skeptic and VERIFY (as you have now learned to do)

Outstanding. 

Should be highlighted for all newbies.  It is also a valuable reminder for the experienced.     

This same category of women also preys on FSUM, with success.  A predator must eat, and while the FSUM are more difficult to bring down than WM wife seekers,  FSUM far outnumber the few WM who wander into their territory.  And some FSUM have a lot of meat on their bones.   These FSUM can be very clever and armed with multiple weapons.   

[lyndontom]

So boethius how does a man rule out the wolves as they are probably the most aggressive daters on the internet and overshadow the sheep.  Also I guess there is an element of wolf in me maybe I do need a fellow wolf.

Do you really need this spelling out for you? You've acknowledged the red flags and chosen to ignore them because you're thinking with your little brain. If you continue to go for looks and aren't put off by bad behaviour, what different outcome can you really expect?


I agree with Boe, you can call them 'mini-relationships' as much as you like but you are simply confirming yourself as a sex tourist...

[Hammer2722]

Do you really need this spelling out for you? You've acknowledged the red flags and chosen to ignore them because you're thinking with your little brain. If you continue to go for looks and aren't put off by bad behaviour, what different outcome can you really expect?


I agree with Boe, you can call them 'mini-relationships' as much as you like but you are simply confirming yourself as a sex tourist...

If he talks like one and acts like one, he probably is.....

[Boethius]

So boethius how does a man rule out the wolves as they are probably the most aggressive daters on the internet and overshadow the sheep.  Also I guess there is an element of wolf in me maybe I do need a fellow wolf.

When the better half was in the navy, like all ships, his had a lot of rats. One sailor used to catch a rat and trap it in a covered barrel. He would starve the rat, and when it was very hungry, he would take another rat he’d caught and drop it in the barrel. One of the rats would cannibalize the other. He’d then repeat the process with that rat,  until the cannibal rat was large. Knowing the cannibal rat had a taste for flesh, he would then release it to hunt smaller rats.

You, James, are not a wolf. You are the rat thrown into the barrel to be eaten by the cannibal rat. You are going to a society that is foreign to you, and that you don’t understand. This is a society where politicians literally hunted people for sport, where screwing your acquaintances, closest friends, even relatives, of money, apartments, businesses, etc. is normal and not viewed as a sin. I could go on, but I hope you get the picture.  Further, no matter how long you live there, you will always be a foreigner, with the mentality shaped by the society in which you were raised. 

This post was composed without the aid of google.

[JayH]

You, James, are not a wolf. You are the rat thrown into the barrel to be eaten by the cannibali rat.

If he talks like one and acts like one, he probably is.....

[Boethius]

Well no, Jay, I didn't mean it like that.  It's just an easy metaphor.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

[Jamesukjames]

Thanks for the heads up .  This site is definetly useful as a reality and enthusiasm check.

[DCcowboy]

I'm sure I will get some sort of feedback that I should not have and I did it wrong. But I did send her flowers, and got a picture from the florist of her mom receiving them, she was at work, but after work she recorded a little video thanking me, using my name, for the flowers while holding the flowers. I will continue to verify her and her sincerity. But she is a real lady and not Boris.

[LAman]

I'm sure I will get some sort of feedback that I should not have and I did it wrong. But I did send her flowers, and got a picture from the florist of her mom receiving them, she was at work, but after work she recorded a little video thanking me, using my name, for the flowers while holding the flowers. I will continue to verify her and her sincerity. But she is a real lady and not Boris.

She is a lady, yes, real who knows? Did you know Boris may have recorded the video and taken flowers back to florist.

With that money you verified nothing. You paid for a picture and short video. You are 8 years behind on technology.

You want to verify? Get her on video and speak directly in real time.

[jone]

She is a lady, yes, real who knows? Did you know Boris may have recorded the video and taken flowers back to florist.

With that money you verified nothing. You paid for a picture and short video. You are 8 years behind on technology.

You want to verify? Get her on video and speak directly in real time.

+1

These agencies are pretty clever!

[2tallbill]

For the Newbies who are reading this

The number one goal of this search is to find a good girl. That's the only type
of girl you want. If ANY girl is determined not to be a good girl then you dump
her and move on 100% of the time without a wasted moment or fanfare.

You can't change a bad girl into a good girl, it would require years of psychotherapy
or possibly religious conversion etc. The goal is to find a girl who is a good girl
without needing any therapy. There are plenty of good girls in the FSU so you
stay away from any girl who isn't a good girl. You are only risking bad stuff on
yourself.

What could a 105 pound skinny blonde Ukrainian beauty possibly do to me
you might ask yourself. She could lure you to get robbed by 4 club toting
dewds who beat you within an inch or your life. If you don't want to have
your kidneys harvested then you stay away from ANY girl who you've
determined has less than perfect motives.

The OP here is obviously going to stupidly roll the dice with the hope
of getting his winky serviced. He doesn't need to go to a military hot
zone to get that done that's just being stupid.

If he really needs his pipes cleaned then he can go online to relax kiev dot
com or something similar and find plenty of hot girls who will ride him like
a stolen bike for a reasonable fee and he can toss his condom in the trash
and get on with his quest to find a good girl (if that's his ultimate intention).



The purpose of this forum is to help guys who have the goal of finding 
and marrying a good girl from the FSU. The OP is heading down a path
that probably won't lead to that goal. If he wanted to find a good girl
there are plenty of experienced and successful people here to give him
advice.

I made my share of mistakes before I found Angel Eyes and I kissed my
fair share of frogs looking for my princess. I've had my brains f#cked out
by a girl when my spidey senses were telling me that things weren't right
but I've never gotten on a plane when my spidey senses told me not to.



NOTE: This cartoon is owned by cartoon stock and not me. Please do not
use this for commercial purposes



Let's say some Newbie finds himself in a similar situation what should he do? He should
simply write Dear Miss Smokinghot Devushka, I have decided to pursue others. I wish you
success, romance, love and boundless happiness!

Udachi!!


Noob the Newbie or your name here.

Then you start contacting other girls, you dump any girl who doesn't want to go on Skype
or lives in North Korea or in any land controlled by ISIS. You will still have millions and millions
of beautiful women to search from and you've only eliminated a few bad places where you might
be beheaded or starved to death in a forced labor/torture camp.

The OP could have contacted 20 girls in the amount of time he has spent debating visiting this one
Smokin' Hot Devushka.

Udachi!


Bill

[DCcowboy]

Thanks...... Bye

[ML]

If he really needs his pipes cleaned then he can go online to relax kiev dot
com or something similar . . .

Or just contact Robert Kraft.

[DCcowboy]

For the Newbies who are reading this

The number one goal of this search is to find a good girl. That's the only type
of girl you want. If ANY girl is determined not to be a good girl then you dump
her and move on 100% of the time without a wasted moment or fanfare.

You can't change a bad girl into a good girl, it would require years of psychotherapy
or possibly religious conversion etc. The goal is to find a girl who is a good girl
without needing any therapy. There are plenty of good girls in the FSU so you
stay away from any girl who isn't a good girl. You are only risking bad stuff on
yourself.

What could a 105 pound skinny blonde Ukrainian beauty possibly do to me
you might ask yourself. She could lure you to get robbed by 4 club toting
dewds who beat you within an inch or your life. If you don't want to have
your kidneys harvested then you stay away from ANY girl who you've
determined has less than perfect motives.

The OP here is obviously going to stupidly roll the dice with the hope
of getting his winky serviced. He doesn't need to go to a military hot
zone to get that done that's just being stupid.

If he really needs his pipes cleaned then he can go online to relax kiev dot
com or something similar and find plenty of hot girls who will ride him like
a stolen bike for a reasonable fee and he can toss his condom in the trash
and get on with his quest to find a good girl (if that's his ultimate intention).



The purpose of this forum is to help guys who have the goal of finding 
and marrying a good girl from the FSU. The OP is heading down a path
that probably won't lead to that goal. If he wanted to find a good girl
there are plenty of experienced and successful people here to give him
advice.

I made my share of mistakes before I found Angel Eyes and I kissed my
fair share of frogs looking for my princess. I've had my brains f#cked out
by a girl when my spidey senses were telling me that things weren't right
but I've never gotten on a plane when my spidey senses told me not to.



NOTE: This cartoon is owned by cartoon stock and not me. Please do not
use this for commercial purposes



Let's say some Newbie finds himself in a similar situation what should he do? He should
simply write Dear Miss Smokinghot Devushka, I have decided to pursue others. I wish you
success, romance, love and boundless happiness!

Udachi!!


Noob the Newbie or your name here.

Then you start contacting other girls, you dump any girl who doesn't want to go on Skype
or lives in North Korea or in any land controlled by ISIS. You will still have millions and millions
of beautiful women to search from and you've only eliminated a few bad places where you might
be beheaded or starved to death in a forced labor/torture camp.

The OP could have contacted 20 girls in the amount of time he has spent debating visiting this one
Smokin' Hot Devushka.

Udachi!


Bill

if everyone is a scammer why even bother with this dating scam.

[DCcowboy]

Every thing I post I get " you stupid ediot!" F*** it.

[2tallbill]

Every thing I post I get " you stupid ediot!" F*** it.

Sent to me by PM

Go f*** yourself!!!

Mr Cowpoke,

When you ask for advice on a public forum you are going to get advice that you
like and advice that you don't like. Your job is to sift through the advice and use
what you think will work best for you and your situations and ignore the rest.

Above all don't get angry, you are fairly anonymous here and nobody knows
you except what you post here.

Hopefully, you didn't blow a gasket in your brain.

Udachi!

Bill 

[Edit to add] I have a Hot Russian wife so I don't have to F#ck myself.

[2tallbill]

if everyone is a scammer why even bother with this dating scam.

There are two main strategies visit one and visit many.

In Strategy visit one you write many then narrow it down to the best candidate
then go visit her and I advise a backup plan with this strategy.

Let me explain what is NOT a viable visit one strategy. Write many girls and go
visit the hottest one that will reply to you regardless of red flags or character
issues etc.

[DCcowboy]

I'm through with this forum. It is just like every other forum out there, full of a bunch of people that feel that need to be heard because of shit in there in life's. There is a reason I quit forums in the early 2000's.

[JayH]

Every thing I post I get " you stupid ediot!" F*** it.

DC -- I have some very fundamental philosophical disagreements with 2T  --  but not with anything he has posted in 'advice"  to you.

I do not necessarily agree on many points and attitudes 2T espouses -- but that comes down to personal style and different ways to go about  a"search"  and each of us will have all sorts of beliefs and prejudices that others will not share.

In the 2T posts --he mostly is handing out general advice -- and you can take it or leave it -the forum is littered with thread just like this -- and an OP getting upset.
My opinions  on your situation-- are in the threads -- and basically similar or same conclusion as 2T . My situation is current and ongoing and my experience extensive  -- that does not make me always correct -- but it does mean I have a very good idea of likely outcomes.

[2tallbill]

if everyone is a scammer why even bother with this dating scam.

The vast majority aren't scammers. However there are scams and you need to avoid them
when you can.


RWD 'Ten Commandments'
« on: May 07, 2006, 03:50:42 PM »

1. Never send money to someone you have never met.

2. Always have a back-up plan.

3. Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.

4. Always get the lady's home address and home phone number as early as possible
[Added by 2tallbill] and talk to her on Skype or some video messenger. Dump her if
she says nyet.

5. Verify the ladies you are writing to are real.

6. Do not fall in love with photos!!

7. Always be yourself. Show the ladies the real you. Be truthful. Use current photos.

8. Do not rush into this! Take your time and be methodical, not impulsive, about this process.

9. Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country. The biggest difference
is the cost (travel, phone. etc). This is an expensive process. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.

10. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE! They do not exist.

[Boethius]

DC, most of the male posters here have made the same mistakes.  Bill was scammed, and has the t-shirt to prove it.  His name and photo were posted on a RW forum as a sex tourist, as he'd made the mistake of posting photos of himself with women he met on a WMVM trip.  So harsh as his message is, it is intended as a warning, and to help you, not to knock you down.

The better half is watching Russian news.  He asked me what I was typing.  I explained the last few posts.  His first comment, being from the culture, of the culture, but having rejected that culture, even before I met him, was, "Was she able to sell the flowers?  Probably - 8th of March".  There is a saying there that roughly translates to, "There is nothing to do if there is no money in the till.", which basically means, there's nothing to do with you if you can't be exploited.

If you want to know whether or not this woman is a scammer, go there.  Meet her.  There's a bus from Kharkiv to Severodonetsk every Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday (7.86 euros, but it's a long trip - 7 1/2 hours).  Or, hire a taxi for 2300 to 2600 hryvnia (double that for the foreign rate) for a 3 to 4 hour drive.  Or take a plane (this is from an online search of a Ukrainian airline, 229 hyrvnia one way, but I can't guarantee there actually is a flight, although it does show up online).  Determine if there is any connection between you.  Or send her $50 for a Viber connection and a little spending money.  You will then know, by whether or not she is willing to speak with you online, if she is sincere.

This post was composed with the aid of google in determining cost and availability of transportation.

[2tallbill]

Or just contact Robert Kraft.

He's not my type