More Bad News for Russia

[Boethius]

What do you mean- how? Log in and read it

He is saying it is blocked by Russia.  So, she can't log in and read it.

[Muzh]

(Muzh, I was being facetious when I said KGB.  Hearkening back to Soviet times.  The FSB carries little of the stigma of its predecessor.  But I bet it catches up in the next couple of years.)

Oh, but the KGB is very much alive today in Russia.


Actually, the FSB is dedifferentiating (look up the term) into the NKVD.

[Muzh]

What do you mean- how? Log in and read it

The Uncle in Omsk CANNOT see his niece's page from Kharkiv. Period.

[jone]

 

Muzh, there is a reason that Doll is on ignore on my account.  Everyone else, here on the forum understands that in order to control the populace, Russia is blocking Facebook content.  It has been rehashed a number of times.  Russia is blocking any information coming from Ukraine that is not filtered.  I guess that Doll's lack of understanding that information is being blocked is a great indicator at her level of understanding of the world around her.

And Belvis claims that information is being disseminated freely.  That is the reason I believe him to be a paid disinformation specialist.

[Steamer]

Putin is a ruthless dictator who does not really care about peace or borders.  Just look what happened after Neville Chamberlain agreed to give Hitler the Sudenland in 1938.  Hitler promised that would be all but it wasn't.  Soon afterwards Hitler took the rest of Czechoslovakia and soon after that his tanks were rolling into Poland.

Give Putler E. Ukraine and from there he will launch his next offensive against the rest of Ukraine.  Mende can probably post his quotes where he says that Ukraine is not a real country.  In a different post he said that Russian soldiers would hide behind women and children and that the Ukrainians would have to kill the women and children to get to his Russian soldiers (missAmeno posted it once).

His intentions are clear and any talk of "peace" is just a stalling tactic by him and his zombies.  The West needs to wake up now, or the price to remove him from a country that does not belong to him will be even higher.

Egads, the worse things get for Ukraine the more hysterical gets the rhetoric. What are you guys going to do when Ukraine finally loses the East?

[Brasscasing]

Here's a little Psy Ops 101 for those that are interested...

Nato colonel sheds light on Russia 'psy-ops'

Aivar Jaeski knows the Russian military from the inside.

A conscript to the Soviet army in his early life, the Estonian-born Nato colonel recalls being stunned how "little training and specialisation" it had to offer its recruits.

Jaeski has co-ordinated info-ops for Nato in Afghanistan and Iraq (Photo: StratcomCoe)

"Basically we were used as cheap labour. I came back from the Soviet army as a pacifist," he told EUobserver earlier this month in Riga, where he is now deputy director of Nato Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence, or Stratcom.

The centre recently carried out a study of Russia's propaganda war on Ukraine.

Jaeski, who also oversaw Nato information operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, described Moscow's campaign as “a psy-op” which uses “very carefully selected messages for targeted audiences in Ukraine, inside Russia, and in the West”.

He said its main tools are false “facts” and images, as well as glorification of Russian military power and political leadership.

He added that “everything we've seen so far is driven by the statement made by [Russian leader Vladimir] Putin in 2005, that the ‘greatest geopolitical catastrophe' of the century was the collapse of the Soviet Union”.

He noted that Russia already used psy-ops in its invasion of Georgia in 2008.

It is part of what Russian general Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the Russian general staff, later called “hybrid warfare”.

But a comparison between the open assault on Georgia ad the covert attack on Ukraine using “little green men” - Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms who occupied Crimea prior to its annexation - indicates that Russia has invested effort and money to make its tactics increasingly sophisticated.

Gerasimov introduced the concept of keeping blurred lines between a state of war and peace, between professional soldiers (whether in uniform or not) and armed civilians.

The Russian general also put more emphasis on winning the “media war” alongside any military gains.

The advance of social media, and its use of images which go viral without any background checks, in the past few years has helped the Russian side.

Fake images, which have been photoshopped or copy-pasted from reports on other war zones or even from movies, purporting to show atrocities committed by the Ukrainian army abound on Twitter, Facebook, or its Russian equiavlent VKontakte.

"Perhaps the most impressive tool in psy-ops is the image of a crying child. There are some theories which say that the Americans lost the Vietnam war because of the [image of a] crying naked child after a napalm strike," Jaevski says, referring to one of the iconic pictures of the 1960s conflict.

The Ukraine conflict also has its ‘napalm child’ - a picture of a crying baby with a swastika carved onto his arm.

It was posted on the social media page of "Antimaidan" - a popular pro-Kremlin group - amid allegations that Ukrainian maternity workers did it to humiliate the mother, a woman from the Donbas region in east Ukraine and the widow of a pro-Russia fighter.

"It's been three months, and the scar is still visible," the caption reads.

In fact, the picture is an internet stock photo.

It also appears in an article posted in 2008 on the US website Popsugar, but without the swastika, which was photoshopped in at a later stage.

The website StopFake is full of such examples.

It also tries to expose Russian state TV lies, such as its use of actors to play various roles in its reports of Ukrainian “war crimes”, with the same faces appearing now as an activist, later as a widow, then the mother of a deceased soldier, a refugee, or an anti-Maidan participant."...

http://euobserver.com/foreign/127174

Brass

[Doll]

He is saying it is blocked by Russia.  So, she can't log in and read it.

It is not.

[Larry1]

DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) — Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, on Friday warned the West against trying to topple President Vladimir Putin and said that Russians are ready to sacrifice their wealth in Putin's support...

Shuvalov, who is believed to be one of the richest men in the government, said that what he considers the West's attempts to oust Putin will only unite the nation further.

"When a Russian feels any foreign pressure, he will never give up his leader," Shuvalov said. "Never. We will survive any hardship in the country — eat less food, use less electricity."

Shuvalov's comments triggered pithy remarks on Russia social media including an opposition activist who posted photos of Shuvalov's Moscow, London and Austria homes to illustrate where the deputy prime minister would experience the hardships he described...

Shuvalov said Russia should focus on cushioning the economic fall through reforms and supporting the financial system. "It is going to get worse and the anti-crisis plan should be aimed at adapting to the hard landing," he said.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150123/eu--russia-economy-2fbca2ea04.html

Shuvalov won't be missing any meals.

[Boethius]

It is not.

You cannot know that.

[jone]

Steamer,

If the shooting down of a jet airliner did not wake the rest of the world to the atrocities occurring in Eastern Ukraine, I doubt anything else will.  While Ukraine will continue to gut it out, it does not have the resources to maintain a conflict against Russia.

End result is that Russia will take what it wants.

Russia has cemented its status as a pariah nation and will have to permanently deal with the consequences.  In the Moscow Times today was a poll that stated that more Russian people are comfortable, now, with Soviet style government than the idea of a democratically enabled government.  The populations, too, will have to live with the consequences of such a mindset.

I expect that we have seen the last of free Russia in our lifetimes.

[Brasscasing]

He is saying it is blocked by Russia.  So, she can't log in and read it.

It is not.

Facebook to be blocked in Russia

..."MOSCOW, September 19. (Itar-Tass) – Facebook has been added to the Russian blacklist of prohibited websites, said Vladimir Pikov, representative of telecom watchdog Roscomnadzor. This means that if in three days’ time the social network will not remove information which is prohibited in Russia, national internet service providers will have to block access to the social network, rendering the website unreachable to Russian internet users."...

http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/700985

Brass

[Boethius]

Egads, the worse things get for Ukraine the more hysterical gets the rhetoric. What are you guys going to do when Ukraine finally loses the East?

What makes you believe Ukraine will lose the East?  Russia doesn't want Donbas.  The region can't go it alone.

[Doll]

You cannot know that.

My son lives in Russia.

[Boethius]

My son lives in Russia.

So?  Has he tried to log into Muzh's niece's facebook page?

[Boethius]

This is from the facebook page of one of my young relatives -


Россия - гарант территориальной целостности Украины по Будапештскому меморандуму, не говоря о том, что она - постоянный член совета безопасности ООН. Что мы имеем? Нарушение международного права, международных договоров, оккупацию Крыма, ввод российских войск на территорию Украины и спонсирование террористического сепаратизма. Честная, святая и благородная Россия!

[AC]

Looks like this is the beginning of the end for Putler. 

article
The Chilly Fallout between Putin and his Oligarch friends.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-chilly-fallout-between-putin-and-his-old-oligarch-pals/ar-AA8ulfD?ocid=mailsignout

[Изумруд]

Facebook to be blocked in Russia

..."MOSCOW, September 19. (Itar-Tass) – Facebook has been added to the Russian blacklist of prohibited websites, said Vladimir Pikov, representative of telecom watchdog Roscomnadzor. This means that if in three days’ time the social network will not remove information which is prohibited in Russia, national internet service providers will have to block access to the social network, rendering the website unreachable to Russian internet users."...

http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/700985

Brass

FB is still working in Russia; however, as for access to Ukrainian pages I cannot answer that.  I think Putin would like to block its use, but for the moment Russians can still use it.

[BillyB]

You cannot keyword this helicopter purchase without seeing that the initial contract was procured back in 2011 before the Ukraine invasion and was then was later cancelled in 2013 because the Russian company was also supplying the Assad regime. There was no pretending to be tough. There is no current spending with Russian companies. Different time frame and not relevant to the current policy towards Russia.

Keyword "Russia Delivers Last of U.S.-bought Helicopters to Afghan Military" and you will see that Obama didn't cancel the contract with Russia although Russia supported the Assad regime. We've also been buying all types of arms and military vehicles from Russia with our tax dollars. The last helicopters were delivered 2 months ago well after our sanctions against Russia started. Not only did we buy equipment, but we will be buying parts from Russia for their upkeep. I think we all know the reason Obama overpaid for that equipment. It's to get money into somebody's(Putin's) hands


It's no secret Obama hit the "reset" button with Russia. He did not agree with Republicans that Russia is a geopolitical foe. The Obama administration has made many friendly deals using American taxpayer money that goes into Russia's pocket. While Obama pressured France not to sell ships to Russia, we continue to buy Russian military hardware. Obama could've cancelled or suspend our remaining contract with the Russians the same way he's telling France to do.


http://www.dodbuzz.com/2014/11/03/russia-delivers-last-of-u-s-bought-helicopters-to-afghan-military/


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-delivers-last-military-transport-helicopters-to-afghan-security-forces/510390.html


http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-delivers-last-us-bought-helicopters-afghan-military-ukraine-conflict-1718469

No, they're not tanks, however, the U.S. is in the door and that's a start. Considering the current administration in Washington this is a significant step forward and shouldn't be disregarded.

I'm pretty sure Russia is supplying much more equipment for their men in the field than the West is supplying Ukraine. Obama made a small step. I wouldn't call it significant.

[sleepycat]

My son lives in Russia.

You let him stay there while you yourself are enjoying the comfort of life in the good old USA?
 

[fathertime]

You let him stay there while you yourself are enjoying the comfort of life in the good old USA?
 

What Do You Mean 'let'? I believe Doll mentioned her son is an adult so she doesn't tell him where he has to live...perhaps he enjoys life in Russia.

Fathertime!

[Doll]

I am planning to return to Russia after my younger settles here
Life is not that bad in Russia, my older is happily married, has his own business

[Steamer]

In the Moscow Times today was a poll that stated that more Russian people are comfortable, now, with Soviet style government than the idea of a democratically enabled government.  The populations, too, will have to live with the consequences of such a mindset.

I expect that we have seen the last of free Russia in our lifetimes.

People in the West (especially the US) can't fathom that not everyone thinks that US style democracy is the best thing since sliced bread. That they want to do things their own way proves that there must be some mind control going on so Russia (and other countries, Iraq comes to mind) must be forced to like it. A country trying to protect itself from internal threats without US approval will be bombed into submission (Belgrade comes to mind).


Zbignew Brzhinski (sp), Carters security advisor, spelled out very clearly in his book "The Grand Chess Game" that Eastern Europe was the front in the Wests fight against Russia and that Ukraine would be the ultimate prize. So after numerous color revolutions (inspired by the West) how can anyone be suprised that Moscow is finally putting its foot down and saying no more.

[Doll]

People in the West (especially the US) can't fathom that not everyone thinks that US style democracy is the best thing since sliced bread. That they want to do things their own way proves that there must be some mind control going on so Russia (and other countries, Iraq comes to mind) must be forced to like it. A country trying to protect itself from internal threats without US approval will be bombed into submission (Belgrade comes to mind).


 

Brainwashed Americans (most of them) don't understand it- they're just not capable

[Boethius]

I am neither American, nor brainwashed.  The Orange Revolution was aided, but not started, by Americans.  It failed.  Its activists will tell you that.  It was started because of electoral fraud, not because of American desires.

The current situation in Ukraine also was not started by the US.  That is a cop out, and an easy answer for conspiracy theorists.  If it were true, there would be no soldiers fighting for Ukraine.
 
 
 

[LiveFromUkraine]

People in the West (especially the US) can't fathom that not everyone thinks that US style democracy is the best thing since sliced bread. That they want to do things their own way proves that there must be some mind control going on so Russia (and other countries, Iraq comes to mind) must be forced to like it. A country trying to protect itself from internal threats without US approval will be bombed into submission (Belgrade comes to mind).


Zbignew Brzhinski (sp), Carters security advisor, spelled out very clearly in his book "The Grand Chess Game" that Eastern Europe was the front in the Wests fight against Russia and that Ukraine would be the ultimate prize. So after numerous color revolutions (inspired by the West) how can anyone be suprised that Moscow is finally putting its foot down and saying no more.

Well said.  That is one of the reasons I start laughing when guys here start tell others how they know what is really happening and the others that don't agree are simply ignorant because of propaganda.


America, the land of the free, where if you don't tell the government about any foreign accounts can land you with fines and possibly jail time.  Now you have to sign up for health care or pay more fines.  Where there are so many laws on the books you can be fined or jailed every time you walk out of the house.  Laws being snuck in through other legislation.


and the best, Democracy is the best because you can buy cheap stuff which means a better life.