Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: 2tallbill on September 08, 2020, 08:17:31 AM
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So you've done your research here at the forum and you've decided that
you are going to use a visit one strategy (with a back up plan) what do
you do next?
NOTE: My experience in actual tactics is stale to say the least. I'm
married and stopped looking the day I met my wife Angel Eyes.
I am inviting the experienced and battle scarred vets and those who
are still in the search to discuss how they chose which FSU women
to visit.
We have plenty of threads discussing visit many vs visit one. I would
like to focus on the visit one for the purpose of this discussion unless
you have some advice that could be beneficial for both.
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How to determine which one to visit?
After you've met a few select persons of interests in person and able to *mutually* and *honestly* and *keenly* observe both your reaction, interest and acknowledgement whether or not to continue the *get-to-know* process.
A WMVM is nothing more than a rational and natural process of selection.
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My VO experience always came after first having a WMVM visit.
I have a ton of experience in visiting with gals on a VO trip, after having screened them during a WMVM trip.
After spending time with 12-15 or more gals on the WMVM trip, it was pretty simple to choose which ones to follow up with on a VO trip.
When I met with the 15 or more gals on WMVM trip, the first date was always in mid afternoon at a nice restaurant where we spent 4 or more hours. These weren't just having tea and cookies for 20 minutes.
For about a third of these first meetings, it ended at the end of this meal. I was always very pleasant to the gals, even those that were bitches. I put them in a taxi that I paid for, and smiled as they were driven away. Most of those in this category were the bitches, or it was painfully obvious that there was zero chemistry between us, or it was obvious that there would be zero sex before marriage and possibly after marriage.
The remaining two thirds of the first visits continued on with typically walks in a park or perhaps attendance at a concert, ballet, etc. About half of these meetings ended after the walk or ballet. Quite often there was a second and more meetings with some of this group of gals.
The other half of these (the 2/3 group) continued on with their coming to my apartment. There was usually a second and more meetings with most of this group of gals.
And about half of this latter group ended up in my bed and, for most, there were follow up meetings.
All of the above transpired over a month or so.
Then I went on VO trips of a month or so with 1, 2, or 3 of these gals within a few months of first trip.
Usually a week or so in their home towns, then 2 weeks or so in Turkey, Egypt or Crimea. A few times Budapest or other Western Europe for those who could get visas.
Even with this rather detailed in-person vetting process in the gal's hometown, I ended up maybe 15% of the time with a 'devil from hell' gal on the follow-up VO trip.
As far as finding which gal to do a VO visit to, just by working from my home country via websites, emails, phone chats and video chats . . . I would have no idea how to do this.
As I pointed out above, even after spending extensive time with a gal in her home city, there was still a very low probability that the 'one' could be detected.
Yes, if I were desperate and willing to settle, I could have married perhaps 20 or so of the 200 or so gals that I met on my WMVM trips.
And if I were desperate and willing to settle, I probably would have married a gal after a first VO trip (without a prior WMVM trip). Finding a FSU gal willing to marry you is not a problem.
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Note: It still brings smile to my face some 12 or more years later . . . when I remember an incident with one of the 'devils from hell' I spent nearly a month with on a follow up VO trip to Crimea.
When we were screwing on our final night together, I said to myself: "Thank heavens I won't have to be doing this again with her!! "
We men are at such a terrible disadvantage relative to females, due to our sex drive . . . almost no matter what.
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Here is what I would do for VO. Note that it was many moons
ago when I did this so some parts have changed
1. Set your goals and first line of filters.
Set up your goals of what you really want, what you definitely
don't want and what you are willing to compromise on. Never
ever compromise on character. What are filters? They are women
that will get tossed out of consideration without contacting if possible.
Some filters are important to some but not others.
A. Smoker?
B. Height/Weight
C. Religion?
D. Kids from previous marriage
E. Language abilities
F. Education
G. Beauty
H. Etc.
You set up these filters so that you don't accidentally get focused on
or waste time with a woman who is totally wrong and you don't have
a future together.
What you want is to find a gold nugget, the future Mrs__________
(your name here) You have to sift through a lot of sand and gravel
to find a gold nugget so using filters to eliminate obvious sand or
gravel.
More to come.......................
If you want to read about how I did it, follow the link below
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0
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My VO experience always came after first having a WMVM visit.
It's entirely sensible to visit only one when you've already met the woman
in person. ML, please add a link to your next post response to your trip
report/adventure
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My VO experience always came after first having a WMVM visit.
I have a ton of experience in visiting with gals on a VO trip, after having screened them during a WMVM trip.
After spending time with 12-15 or more gals on the WMVM trip, it was pretty simple to choose which ones to follow up with on a VO trip.
When I met with the 15 or more gals on WMVM trip, the first date was always in mid afternoon at a nice restaurant where we spent 4 or more hours. These weren't just having tea and cookies for 20 minutes.
For about a third of these first meetings, it ended at the end of this meal. I was always very pleasant to the gals, even those that were bitches. I put them in a taxi that I paid for, and smiled as they were driven away. Most of those in this category were the bitches, or it was painfully obvious that there was zero chemistry between us, or it was obvious that there would be zero sex before marriage and possibly after marriage.
The remaining two thirds of the first visits continued on with typically walks in a park or perhaps attendance at a concert, ballet, etc. About half of these meetings ended after the walk or ballet. Quite often there was a second and more meetings with some of this group of gals.
The other half of these (the 2/3 group) continued on with their coming to my apartment. There was usually a second and more meetings with most of this group of gals.
And about half of this latter group ended up in my bed and, for most, there were follow up meetings.
All of the above transpired over a month or so.
Then I went on VO trips of a month or so with 1, 2, or 3 of these gals within a few months of first trip.
Usually a week or so in their home towns, then 2 weeks or so in Turkey, Egypt or Crimea. A few times Budapest or other Western Europe for those who could get visas.
Even with this rather detailed in-person vetting process in the gal's hometown, I ended up maybe 15% of the time with a 'devil from hell' gal on the follow-up VO trip.
As far as finding which gal to do a VO visit to, just by working from my home country via websites, emails, phone chats and video chats . . . I would have no idea how to do this.
As I pointed out above, even after spending extensive time with a gal in her home city, there was still a very low probability that the 'one' could be detected.
Yes, if I were desperate and willing to settle, I could have married perhaps 20 or so of the 200 or so gals that I met on my WMVM trips.
And if I were desperate and willing to settle, I probably would have married a gal after a first VO trip (without a prior WMVM trip). Finding a FSU gal willing to marry you is not a problem.
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Note: It still brings smile to my face some 12 or more years later . . . when I remember an incident with one of the 'devils from hell' I spent nearly a month with on a follow up VO trip to Crimea.
When we were screwing on our final night together, I said to myself: "Thank heavens I won't have to be doing this again with her!! "
We men are at such a terrible disadvantage relative to females, due to our sex drive . . . almost no matter what.
I so damned love your humor, and the post
after the WANVM (write almost none and visit many), yes it's very simple to sort out the one(s) you want to continue to date.
It could be one or two or three maximum, but you still have a best one.
And sometimes, it has happened to me to find no winner.
But previous my marriage I was focusing to find a wife and not to have some girlfriends or bangs.
My sexual life was happening in my native country, so I had dissociated the two dating scenes.
It made a lot of differences ...
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A WMVM is nothing more than a rational and natural process of selection.
No, it is the approach of someone shooting a machine-gun blind-folded
Why go all that way for speed dating ?
Due diligence, before you leave, is a far more productive route.
In this day and age of videochat, one can easily eliminate 'candidates' you'd not wish to meet in reality
'Backup plans' and WOVOs do not mix ...if your trip doesn't work out, you can try to contact other ladies in the area, like Beel did
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No, it is the approach of someone shooting a machine-gun blind-folded
Why go all that way for speed dating ?
Due diligence, before you leave, is a far more productive route.
In this day and age of videochat, one can easily eliminate 'candidates' you'd not wish to meet in reality
'Backup plans' and WOVOs do not mix ...if your trip doesn't work out, you can try to contact other ladies in the area, like Beel did
This has been argued to death and there are a dozen threads on the
advantages/disadvantages of visiting many vs one. 100% of the men
who are successful eventually go Visit One. I haven't heard of a one
week wonder who visited many.
So rather than argue with the guys who are happily married using a different
strategy than you did, why don't you write more than two vague sentences
about how to do what you did? You proclaim the virtues of Visiting One why
can't you describe in detail how to do it?
Surely you had some goals, deal killers, reasons to dump a woman and move
on etc. Every single first girl you met online didn't end up marrying you and
living happily ever after.
What was the process?
How did you search?
What did you look for?
What did you avoid?
When did you "Run Forest Run?"
When did you decide that you better get on a plane?
Did you ever get on a plane to visit a girl and it didn't work out?
Udachi!
Bill
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More to come.......................
If you want to read about how I did it, follow the link below
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0
I did a self evaluation, I considered myself tall, handsome, smart, and skilled
in social situations. I've been a salesman for most of my life and I believe I
can read people fairly well. I've dated very hot women in my life and with
one or two exceptions didn't let them walk all over me.
In the early days of my search I would consider women who were too young
(once 20 years younger) but after failures and trials and tribulations I came up
with better tactics and better plans. I am going to skip over the poor tactics that
I tried and get straight on with the good tactics.
If you are as tall, handsome and charming as me then you can take your age,
subtract 10 years and you should find a zillion unmarried FSU Good girls* who
will consider you to be an excellent candidate for marriage in that age range.
If you are a little more plain looking, not as humorous, not as charming then
you subtract a few less years from you age, maybe 5-8 years. If you are searching
for a woman much beyond the 10 years then you are starting to push the envelope
which means you will occasionally encounter attractive women who aren't good girls.
You need to be good at spotting trouble and women with problems and women with
less than earnest intentions. Or you can seek a gal that isn't quite as attractive.
*What is a good girl? She is an honest girl (woman) with sincere intentions.
Above all else you want to find a good girl.
More to come.......................
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Beel, I appreciate you are trying to stimulate a thread, but your response proved you cannot have read my reasoning as 5 of more paragraphs is more than a couple of 'vague sentences'! ....
I lived just south of the FSU and could make long weekend trips with zero or one time zone change.
I never met a single lady who I wanted to run away from and spent those days learning about them and their city.
My profile and due dilligence involved ensuring a non smoker and the 'worst experience was during a yachting holiday ( vacation) when the lady 'lit up' during an evening meal which coincided with my birthday.
Luckily, it was the last night and we had met several times, before, so she can't have been surprised when I accompanied her to the airport and I said 'Adieu instead of ' Do svidanya'..
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Here is everything that I could find about msmob posting his theories regarding how
to figure out if a girl is the one.
Beel, I appreciate you are trying to stimulate a thread, but your response proved you cannot have read my reasoning as 5 of more paragraphs is more than a couple of 'vague sentences'! ....
I lived just south of the FSU and could make long weekend trips with zero or one time zone change.
I never met a single lady who I wanted to run away from and spent those days learning about them and their city.
My profile and due dilligence involved ensuring a non smoker and the 'worst experience was during a yachting holiday ( vacation) when the lady 'lit up' during an evening meal which coincided with my birthday.
Luckily, it was the last night and we had met several times, before, so she can't have been surprised when I accompanied her to the airport and I said 'Adieu instead of ' Do svidanya'..
Pat
1/ when I was looking for a partner, I did not rely on the opinion of others as to who I should visit ..'Peer pressure' is not relevant
2/ IF one is using a non pay per chat medium I fail to see what is 'costly' about enrolling in a dating site / app?
3/ 'Scams' ? I've never been scammed ... that's part of the due diligence process
My apologies for missing this, Beel.
My due diligence was just chatting on Skype , making and receiving calls and us both realising that t'other was not playing games.. I saw her life.. her acquaintances and she was not 'disappearing' or going off on holidays and going silent.
Why are YOU so inattentive, Beel?
No long lists..
Know why you are doing this
Learn some Russian
Learn about the sl.differences in FSUW initial expectations
Do your due dilligence from the comfort of your home
Enjoy your time with the ONE lady who stood out.
Backup plans are for guys who don't plan ...
OK,
Another cluebat...shyness is for ( as Americans say, 'cute cats'...
When I saw a profile of someone I wanted.. I wrote them a short letter as to why I'd like to meet them and that I was deadly serious in looking for a life partner and if she was, too ...we should talk with a view to meeting in person.
1/ Set your target..Be direct
2/ speaking enough Russian to converse and make her laugh
3/ Don't BS.. if you click, get on the plane. The guys who do what they say rise to the top and those who were waiting for their annual leave find their target disappears.
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I did a self evaluation, I considered myself tall, handsome, smart, and skilled
in social situations. I've been a salesman for most of my life and I believe I
can read people fairly well. I've dated very hot women in my life and with
one or two exceptions didn't let them walk all over me.
In the early days of my search I would consider women who were too young
(once 20 years younger) but after failures and trials and tribulations I came up
with better tactics and better plans. I am going to skip over the poor tactics that
I tried and get straight on with the good tactics.
If you are as tall, handsome and charming as me then you can take your age,
subtract 10 years and you should find a zillion unmarried FSU Good girls* who
will consider you to be an excellent candidate for marriage in that age range.
If you are a little more plain looking, not as humorous, not as charming then
you subtract a few less years from you age, maybe 5-8 years. If you are searching
for a woman much beyond the 10 years then you are starting to push the envelope
which means you will occasionally encounter attractive women who aren't good girls.
You need to be good at spotting trouble and women with problems and women with
less than earnest intentions. Or you can seek a gal that isn't quite as attractive.
*What is a good girl? She is an honest girl (woman) with sincere intentions.
Above all else you want to find a good girl.
More to come.......................
+1
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Beel,
Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting good looks is a woman's sole criteria?
I'm not suggesting it isn't a criteria, but being intelligent, capable of providing, caring, driven, socialable, healthy and not too into alcohol would seem to be things just as important..?
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Above all else you want to find a good girl.
More to come.......................
I did a self evaluation, I considered myself tall, handsome, smart, and skilled
in social situations. I've been a salesman for most of my life and I believe I
can read people fairly well. I've dated very hot women in my life and with
one or two exceptions didn't let them walk all over me.
More to come.......................
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So you have your goals written down and you've come up
with a realistic age range to pursue and you have an idea
of sort of girl you are looking for, what do you do next?
In my opinion you cast out the largest search that you can.
You have to do a huge search that way you have lots of sand
and gravel to sort through while you look for your nugget of
Gold.
Don't do what everyone else does or you will end up being one
of 148 men pursuing the same girl in a MOB industry city and
you will get worked in that system.
Always remember this is your search, and you are looking for your
future wife.
So what is my advice? Don't write girls from only Ukraine in Odessa, Kyiv (Kiev)
and Nikolaev. Those are industry cities and they have a every efficient system of
trying to separate you from your money.
Wouldn't you rather meet a gal who hasn't been looking for a foreign man for
half a decade and doesn't have 260 other men writing to her, and isn't totally
jaded from the experience of key board Romeos, weirdo's and dick pics?
Also there are far less women in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kyiv and than there is
in the entire FSU.
So it might make a lot of sense searching Moldova, Uzbekistan, Russia,
Belarus, Armenia, Romania or Western Ukraine. Don't avoid searching
in Russia for example just because you need a visa to visit there. What
you are doing is leap frogging over the lazy punters out there who simply
follow the path of least resistance.
It's my opinion that you find the girl wherever she is and then visit her there.
More to come
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YES..
But, I'd add think of visiting Sochi or a Siberian city over Piter, Moscow and more 'fished' RU cities..
Armenia ? ... Have you been there ?
Sorry, but this is subjective ( sorry, my Armenian friends ) .. Proportionally less attractive ladies ..but this may not be borne out in YOUR search..
Carry on Beel :applause:
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..but this may not be borne out in YOUR search..
Exactly, you've only gotta find one.
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So once you've found a nice girl to communicate with you get her on the
phone or a messenger ap.
A good girl who has genuine interest in you will want to talk to you, see your
face and hear your voice. If they don't then you dump them*.
* First I tell them I want them to see me to make sure I don't fly all the way
to the FSU to have them run away screaming in the airport or that I've recently
escaped from the wild monkey exhibit and want their opinion on how I look shaved.
If those theories don't change their minds, I say
"Ok, I am going to pursue someone else, I wish you success, romance, good
health, luck AND lot's and lot's of happiness!"
Poka
2tallbill
When they are dumped, they stay dumped and I don't reengage with them.
They are like milk one month past the due date. You certainly don't open it,
you don't smell it, or read the label or anything else. You get rid of it and
move away from it as soon as possible.
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Beel, you and I are ol' farts in this 'game' now, apparently ! ...
We need to have beefed up ( and out) and cover our bodies in 'statements' ;)
The ladies will have swiped left and 'we' would be left with the 'desperate ones' ?!
IF your intended lady doesn't speak English, then writing is very important, too, as even with instant translators, DANGEROUS and potentially 'relationship'-breaking sentences can occur.
I remember having to write a latter as something I said, seemed to offend V ( first RU wife- but at early dating stage, before meeting) )
I spend half the night figuring what to write and seemingly 'got it right', as she understood what I had tried to say and 'The Belfast fog' was lifted ( her words )
Some say, things have changed and our advice is too dated ... But, I observe w.guys trying to hit on FSU ladies and want to facepalm as they seem to make the same mistakes as 'we' did.
Confidence and a good sense of humour, making her smile ... those are still the key
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This might be totally naive but when I made a trip to visit 2 or even 3 women I am fraught with guilt. Mostly because the 2 or 3 people I've been communicating with are deep and intimate so I feel a great sense of guilt seeing the second or third woman.
Visiting one woman is a great adventure already and I usually only take that step when I know there is a deep connection already. I always feel like a cad when visiting more than one. I've made 4-5 trips to Ukraine and Russian. And since this is ancient history - when I visit them and because I know there is already a deep connection there is usually physical intimacy - maybe that's why I feel so guilty. But in the moment I am with them they are the one.
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This might be totally naive but when I made a trip to visit 2 or even 3 women I am fraught with guilt. Mostly because the 2 or 3 people I've been communicating with are deep and intimate so I feel a great sense of guilt seeing the second or third woman.
Visiting one woman is a great adventure already and I usually only take that step when I know there is a deep connection already. I always feel like a cad when visiting more than one. I've made 4-5 trips to Ukraine and Russian. And since this is ancient history - when I visit them and because I know there is already a deep connection there is usually physical intimacy - maybe that's why I feel so guilty. But in the moment I am with them they are the one.
Moby is going to make 17 posts in this thread now. Hopefully on topic.
There are two main strategies (there are other strategies but these are the two most
popular). You either visit one girl or you visit many girls. Each of these strategies has
it's own unique tactics. You made a classical mistake.
You were using visit one tactics for a visit many trip.
In a visit one trip you figure out which girl is the best and then go visit her. This thread
is about determining which girl is best and the tactics to use.
You are getting to know several girls intimately and then visiting all of them. That's the wrong
way to approach this. If you are going to spend all that time getting to know several girls then
you need to be able to determine which one is going to be the best for you. One of those girls
is a better match or has something inside her that makes you want to jump on a plane.
If none of the girls stand out, then my advice is to clear the board, visit none of them, and start
again until you find an exceptional girl that you absolutely must jump on a plane to see them.
You are looking for an exceptional girl not a so-so girl or an OK girl. If none of the girls stand out
then you keep looking.
You felt guilty because you were two/three/four timing these girls.
There is a sticky topic (see link below) where myself, ML and others explain tactics on how to visit
many. The shortest incomplete answer is you don't get to know girls intimately if you are going to
visit many. In a visit many you want to find a girl that you have chemistry with THEN you get to
know her.
Udachi!
Bill
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
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Beel,
I have no idea was you mentioned me...
I agreed with your points and advice....100 percent)
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As always Bill - sound advice.
I kinda got to a point where I don't let opportunities slip by - unless I'm in a serious committed relationship.
I've always try to be a gentleman and I totally understand that no means no. I've never regretted when a woman shows me she's not ready for intimacy but I've usually regretted being the one to say no. It's like the extra scoop of ice cream. You know its not good for you but it is soo good nonetheless and I can live with the consequences.
The international student who came for a sleepover over spring break and I did nothing then she got mad at me and stopped coming over.
The hot French student who came into the unisex hostel bathroom and calmly started showering next to me.
The hot summer camp counselor who pulled me to her cabin and we were in bed together side by side just holding hands. I wanted a real relationship and wanted to be a gentleman. She hooked up with another guy the following week.
The Czech woman that was in the same train compartment and casually fell asleep into my lap in the middle of the night.
The sexy slightly tipsy cougar in Vegas who pushed over $300 in chips for me to keep playing at the poker table.
Sometimes nice guys totally finish last.
Moby is going to make 17 posts in this thread now. Hopefully on topic.
There are two main strategies (there are other strategies but these are the two most
popular). You either visit one girl or you visit many girls. Each of these strategies has
it's own unique tactics. You made a classical mistake.
You were using visit one tactics for a visit many trip.
In a visit one trip you figure out which girl is the best and then go visit her. This thread
is about determining which girl is best and the tactics to use.
You are getting to know several girls intimately and then visiting all of them. That's the wrong
way to approach this. If you are going to spend all that time getting to know several girls then
you need to be able to determine which one is going to be the best for you. One of those girls
is a better match or has something inside her that makes you want to jump on a plane.
If none of the girls stand out, then my advice is to clear the board, visit none of them, and start
again until you find an exceptional girl that you absolutely must jump on a plane to see them.
You are looking for an exceptional girl not a so-so girl or an OK girl. If none of the girls stand out
then you keep looking.
You felt guilty because you were two/three/four timing these girls.
There is a sticky topic (see link below) where myself, ML and others explain tactics on how to visit
many. The shortest incomplete answer is you don't get to know girls intimately if you are going to
visit many. In a visit many you want to find a girl that you have chemistry with THEN you get to
know her.
Udachi!
Bill
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
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As always Bill - sound advice.
I kinda got to a point where I don't let opportunities slip by - unless I'm in a serious committed relationship.
I've always try to be a gentleman and I totally understand that no means no. I've never regretted when a woman shows me she's not ready for intimacy but I've usually regretted being the one to say no. It's like the extra scoop of ice cream. You know its not good for you but it is soo good nonetheless and I can live with the consequences.
The international student who came for a sleepover over spring break and I did nothing then she got mad at me and stopped coming over.
The hot French student who came into the unisex hostel bathroom and calmly started showering next to me.
The hot summer camp counselor who pulled me to her cabin and we were in bed together side by side just holding hands. I wanted a real relationship and wanted to be a gentleman. She hooked up with another guy the following week.
The Czech woman that was in the same train compartment and casually fell asleep into my lap in the middle of the night.
The sexy slightly tipsy cougar in Vegas who pushed over $300 in chips for me to keep playing at the poker table.
Sometimes nice guys totally finish last.
Yes, you are totally foolish.
You could have partaken with all those gals . . . and still be looking for your one and only.
Those paths are not mutually exclusive.
Get your testosterone level checked.
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As always Bill - sound advice.
Sometimes nice guys totally finish last.
You've brought up a ton of stuff in your post that I should address.
I've started a half dozen times but I actually work for a living and
get pulled away.
I'll try to remember to come back and discuss the can of worms that
you opened. Hopefully some of the experienced guys here can help out
until I get some free time.
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A WMVM is nothing more than a rational and natural process of selection.
WHAT is 'rational' about travelling across many time zones to speed date with a near total stranger with who many cannot speak in a common tongue ?
Far more sensible, in the age of video chat to eliminate ladies you just wouldn't waste you time on BEFORE your trip ..
Unless you can afford the time / money to stay for long periods of time... choose the best woman and visit her..let THAT decide where you go ...
Too many guys choose a city / region ? !
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I want to encourage those who wish to debate Visit One vs Visit Many
to do so in the thread below.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=520.100
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I think you have to be practical about it. If you are going to invest 2 weeks, XXX about of money then you really want to have a few options. i want to be real in my search for a life partner. i want to be honest and ethical. I'm probably not the only guy she is communicating with and it is only after meeting and creating moments with her/him that you feel that they could be the one. I think it is just more practical to see a few on one trip so you can take a hard look to see which one has better chemistry and connection. I certainly don't want to go just for a fun free for all sex trip - it would be easier and cheaper and probably safer to do that where I live or the next big city over.
Honestly I think it is rather silly to start a relationship with someone who doesn't speak English. You are just fooling yourself. It is hard enough to start a real relationship with an American woman who speaks your language and culture.
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I was generally a VO type, with a couple of exception trips. In the early days it was all about vacations and I tended to line up someone to spend some time with, just because...
When I got a bit serious about the process, my very strict criteria was letters. I didn't mind errant English but I did want to see effort and diligence. I understood early that any woman failing that hurdle was never going to make it through the migration process, much less survive in my world.
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I think you have to be practical about it. If you are going to invest 2 weeks, XXX about of money then you really want to have a few options. i want to be real in my search for a life partner. i want to be honest and ethical. I'm probably not the only guy she is communicating with and it is only after meeting and creating moments with her/him that you feel that they could be the one. I think it is just more practical to see a few on one trip so you can take a hard look to see which one has better chemistry and connection. I certainly don't want to go just for a fun free for all sex trip - it would be easier and cheaper and probably safer to do that where I live or the next big city over.
Honestly I think it is rather silly to start a relationship with someone who doesn't speak English. You are just fooling yourself. It is hard enough to start a real relationship with an American woman who speaks your language and culture.
You bring up some points
1. Are you going to visit one or many. You need to decide this early on.
2. A back up plan.
3. Angliyskiy, da ili net English yes or no or how much.
What level of English do you require.
Here is a thread on English
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2230.0
I started a thread about backup plans here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24825.0
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Yes, you are totally foolish.
You could have partaken with all those gals . . . and still be looking for your one and only.
Those paths are not mutually exclusive.
Get your testosterone level checked.
Alternative viewpoint...and likely more accurate..
The nice guy was trusted..otherwise those things might not have happened...?
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One of my criteria has been make sure that she is at least interested
in me as I am in her.
I didn't always follow that if I did I would have never traveled to Georgia.