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USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« on: September 12, 2016, 10:29:57 AM »
I have my own thoughts on this but would like to get an opinion from FSU women.


For the past few years I have been noticing the lack of interest in RW when contacted by an American. It takes quite a bit of work to find and develop something with a RW for an American man. In contrast it is much easier to get RW's attention if you are a man living in a European country.


I also just came across this ad on a Russian dating site which prompted me to ask the question.


This girl in her late 20s LIVES in the USA for 7 years. She is an Ivy league university graduate and due to her profession she can live anywhere in the world.
The interesting part is that she only wants to marry and live in Russia. In fact she wrote that she would ONLY marry in Russia.



Кого я хочу найти:
Интеллигентного хулигана.
Живу в Америке около семи лет. Закончила один из университетов Ivy League. Образование и cфера деятельности позволяет жить в разных местах. Если влюблюсь, выйду замуж в России. В мужчине для меня важны ум, нравственность, энергия, приятная внешность, мужественность, надежность. Остальное принципиального значения не имеет )


Why?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 10:35:15 AM by Eduard »
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 10:45:15 AM »
Eduard, apparently you have not been watching Russian news media.

The people of the USA are the root cause of all the problems that Russian people have.  So  why would any sane Russian  want to live among such terrible people in the USA?

I thought you were up on this stuff.

See the guys here like to tell that the Russian people are OK, even as the Russian  government is terrible.

But the Russian people know better.  They don't think the USA government is bad while the USA people are OK.  They know that the government of any country is merely a reflection of the people.
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 11:01:13 AM »
I have my own thoughts on this but would like to get an opinion from FSU women.


Coming from an FSU woman, I do know my mother in law didn't want my wife to marry me because I lived too far away. She would have been fine if I lived in Europe. My wife considered USA and Europe equal for quality of life and distance not a problem so it was just a matter of finding where the best guy lived.
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 11:25:46 AM »
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The people government of the USA is the root cause of all the problems that Russian people have

I haven't seen any propaganda attacking the people. They know many Americans don't like their own government and that there is a big liberal-conservative rift. Russians actually know far more about America than Americans know about Russia. Shame.

I agree with Billy. More Russians have traveled to Europe so it's more familiar and closer. Of the Russians I know who do wish to come to America, most are men.

And, yes, unfortunately the propaganda probably has some effect.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 01:20:00 PM by mhr7 »
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 12:08:51 PM »
you can’t watch Russian TV for more than 15 minutes before you witness some anti-American aspersion,  and how America’s responsible for all subversion, perversion, dispersion, border incursion, harassing Persian, Kursk submersion, which has led to a general Russian aversion, at least that’s my version!

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2016, 12:24:57 PM »
Dunno, but we know 3 Russians getting married here next month. Both women and the man are marrying Amerikanskis.


We also know a fourth who is single and wants marriage, but prefers a Russian man living here in the US.



« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 12:27:43 PM by alex330 »

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 12:30:10 PM »
Distance is the only reason. It has nothing common with propoganda.

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 01:06:59 PM »
Eduard, nice to see a post from you after such long absence.
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 02:25:06 PM »
Eduard, nice to see a post from you after such long absence.

I was going to say the same about Abashka one of our few ladies who 
is brave enough to post here.

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 04:56:58 PM »
you can’t watch Russian TV for more than 15 minutes before you witness some anti-American aspersion,  and how America’s responsible for all subversion, perversion, dispersion, border incursion, harassing Persian, Kursk submersion, which has led to a general Russian aversion, at least that’s my version!


I watched a Bloomberg interview with Putin yesterday.  In the first 10 minutes, Putin not once mentioned anything ill about America.  Maybe he did later, but I will never know because Putin's long winded answers put me to sleep.   

Maybe he said nothing ill about America  because he knew Russians would not be watching. 

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2016, 05:47:58 PM »
Eduard, nice to see a post from you after such long absence.
Thanks Doug!
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2016, 05:49:12 PM »
I was going to say the same about Abashka one of our few ladies who 
is brave enough to post here.
Thanks Bill on behalf of Abashka!
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 05:53:35 PM by Eduard »
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2016, 05:54:51 PM »

I watched a Bloomberg interview with Putin yesterday.  In the first 10 minutes, Putin not once mentioned anything ill about America.  Maybe he did later, but I will never know because Putin's long winded answers put me to sleep.   

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2016, 06:00:30 PM »
 >you can’t watch Russian TV for more than 15 minutes before you witness some anti-American aspersion,  and how America’s responsible for all subversion, >perversion, dispersion, border incursion, harassing Persian, Kursk submersion, which has led to a general Russian aversion, at least that’s my version!



>I watched a Bloomberg interview with Putin yesterday.  In the first 10 minutes, Putin not once mentioned anything ill about America.  Maybe he did later, but I will >never know because Putin's long winded answers put me to sleep.   

>Maybe he said nothing ill about America  because he knew Russians would not be watching.

Or, or, it might be just a diversion!

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 06:23:36 PM »
Maybe it's a combination of 4 or more factors?


1. Distance (hard to visit family and friends)


2. Anti-american propaganda on Russian state-controlled media, and lots of it


3. perceived and real difference in mentality. European's mentality is closer to Russian


4. Keyboard Romeos who have never make it on the plane and waste RW's time


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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2016, 06:42:16 PM »
The only thing I would add is the question of whether or not America has declined in prestige in the world.

I suppose it is open for debate (on another thread, not this one!) but after Libya, Iraq (and having it taken over by the ragtag ISIS) etc. - possibly including the fact that Putin has stood up for himself and scored a few against the Americans - the USA doesn't have the same prestige.

Being ruled by a black President who seems milquetoast probably doesn't help. Remember the Russian TV newswoman who said "Obama" and then gave the finger?
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 07:13:37 PM »
3.  European's mentality is closer to Russian

With respect to what situations?

Can you give examples of USA mentality different from European's . . . except for their romance with socialism ?
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2016, 01:15:40 AM »
Europeans in general don't have the superior,centre of the world, attitude that people from the USA tend to have.

Living among that mindset wouldn't tend to appeal to many Russian women i'd suggest.

Just saying it like it is.

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2016, 02:47:07 AM »
With respect to what situations?

Can you give examples of USA mentality different from European's . . . except for their romance with socialism ?

As a whole and very generally speaking:

Superficiality, cultural depth, geocentric, individualistic.

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2016, 05:29:31 AM »
1. Distance (hard to visit family and friends)
Likely one of the most vital issues taken into consideration. Not distance and travel cost may be, but the problems to get an american visa (for friends and relatives) become notorious. Going in US is feeling  like the going into isolation from close folk.

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2. Anti-american propaganda on Russian state-controlled media, and lots of it
Though some anti-american bias in russian propaganda exists it was noted mainly by those who don't live in Russia  :). Russians prefer to watch american movies that form their conceptions about USA. Frankly speaking, these conceptions are rather idealistic, i.e. better than real life is.

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3. perceived and real difference in mentality. European's mentality is closer to Russian
That's right. It is not close to reality but there are some cliches about Americans as spiritless men who are fixated on making money, political correctness and fast food.
When influence of European culture on Russian culture is viewed as mainly  positive, American culture is presented in mass media with negative bias. Then an American is perceived as the more foreign creature than an European.

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4. Keyboard Romeos who have never make it on the plane and waste RW's time
I doubt this factor has any weight. Keyboard Romeos are everywhere I think.

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2016, 05:39:16 AM »
As a whole and very generally speaking:

Superficiality, cultural depth, geocentric, individualistic.

The first three, for sure.  To these three you can add "loud."   :D

I question "individualistic."  Maybe I misunderstand you.  What do you mean?   

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2016, 06:04:02 AM »
Europeans in general don't have the superior,centre of the world, attitude that people from the USA tend to have.

Living among that mindset wouldn't tend to appeal to many Russian women i'd suggest.

Actually Europeans and Russians believe exactly that they, in fact, are superior to all others and especially those in USA.

Citizens in USA give no thought at all to being superior to others.

In reality, of course, we are the superior country to all others, and those in other countries fully know this . . . and it gives them great pain because no one likes to admit to themselves that they are third rate people living in second rate countries.

Those in lower levels are always jealous of those at the top.  Those at the top do not have time to think about those on lower levels, and only just keep sending money to keep the wretched at bay.
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2016, 06:11:58 AM »
So, this is the famous Eduard...

I personally laugh at the anti-american sentiments. I do prefer we butt out as much as possible. I prefer to look at life within the country. Are the russian citizen truly satisfied with their lives? Don't worry about us. We are not a threat. They should worry about what their government is doing that directly affects their lives.

Recently I watched a BBC Documentary series on Putin and the West on Youtube. He comes across as a decisive leader. But he is just a thug who couldn't care less about law and fairness in his own country. It was fascinating to watch what he has been doing to consolidate power. And they keep electing him despite their lives not getting any better.

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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2016, 06:17:10 AM »
Recently I watched a BBC Documentary series on Putin and the West on Youtube. He comes across as a decisive leader. But he is just a thug who couldn't care less about law and fairness in his own country. It was fascinating to watch what he has been doing to consolidate power. And they keep electing him despite their lives not getting any better.

Russians are mostly descended from serfs.

They can only relate to a strong leader, even if that strong leader is doing nothing to help them better their life.

They just want to be told what to do, and they will follow blindly.
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Re: USA not a popular destination among RW, why?
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2016, 06:42:59 AM »
The first three, for sure.  To these three you can add "loud."   :D

I question "individualistic."  Maybe I misunderstand you.  What do you mean?

Loud indeed.. hardly a thing as a quiet dinner out here :)

as for individualistic.. more of a 'me' thing.. not bad just different.. personal space, customer service expectations, placing social importance on material possessions club memberships and status.  Weighed on showing and comparing one's own independence.. here's my job, my car, my house when meeting folks.  More of what makes us different and puts us apart rather than our similarities.

Something like this..  in German but you'll understand..



 

 

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