Hello guys!

[Trenchcoat]

Citizenship doesn't come into it .. 

IF Rod exercises his right to live / try to find work ( even if he hasn't, got work, yet) in Ireland and gets Irish Residency - he can find a way - if he listens to me - to bring his g/f to IRL to study ... but she'll be allowed to work, too



IF she has residency in IRL - they can move freely within the CTA UK / IRL

PLE-EASE Trench - stop posting such twaddle - that only proves - if anyone still doubted it - that you post for effect and aren't too bothered if it's factual

Mobe, the link you posted seemed very much to suggest that it is either married or contracted registered partner. She is neither as they want to see first if they get to that stage. Rod has Portugal EU membership, I fail to see how that would at all help him get a girl/girlfriend in the UK when she is outside the EU. She has at present no official connection to him. Even if she was considered as his partner, he has had no durable relationship with her - he would have to go outside UK for that which he does not wish to do and on their financial standing I don't see it as a goer they would probably end up begging in the streets somewhere.

[msmob]

Mobe, the link you posted seemed very much to suggest that it is either married or contracted registered partner. She is neither as they want to see first if they get to that stage. Rod has Portugal EU membership, I fail to see how that would at all help him get a girl/girlfriend in the UK when she is outside the EU. She has at present no official connection to him.

"I fail to see", says it all

You still haven't told us your experience of such matters

[lyndontom]

Lists me as just the person who will be providing accomodation, along with my bank account statements for the past 6 months (and with over £1000 in the account each month, or £3000 in there right now)

What will her/your response be when they ask who you are and what your relationship to her is to be providing accommodation and sponsorship?


There is a lot of noise in this thread Rod, but you're going to have to decipher some of the genuine help that has been posted my Mob and others here and not choose to ignore the bits you selectively feel aren't relevant. And, believe me, I have done many visa applications through my work and I am in Manchester too. You may get lucky and find there are no obstacles, but if I were you I wouldn't underestimate the thoroughness of the process.


Some of us have been through the process and have seen some of the potential pitfalls. Some of those people have chosen to contribute, but you've overlooked them. You're a musician, not from the UK and without steady work - you have to be pragmatic about this and you have to approach it as if no stone would be left unturned. There aren't any easy 'shortcuts'.


By the way, I'm not here to bash you, but you've got to be more astute about the way you approach it and listening to Trench spouting his 'opinion' won't help you move forward on this one. I sense you only want to get the best chance of a successful outcome.

[msmob]

I'm not in London.

I'm in Manchester. Which means life is cheaper.

Well, yes- but are you aware of how much you'll be expected to prove you are earning to get your g/f here on your assurances.. nearly £19k a year, plus the tuition fees..  Your sums won't add up ((

Please don't quote the Sun..))

Ireland is not an option, because I'm settling here for a number of reasons.

But you never actually give them ..!

IF you hope to reside/ work in the UK AND bring in your g/f you MUST use the UK immigration route in the first instance - You WILL NOT get her in - based on your figures - period

You cannot use the EU route - as you stubbornly refuse to establish a pre-relationship. ((

[Trenchcoat]

What will her/your response be when they ask who you are and what your relationship to her is to be providing accommodation and sponsorship?


There is a lot of noise in this thread Rod, but you're going to have to decipher some of the genuine help that has been posted my Mob and others here and not choose to ignore the bits you selectively feel aren't relevant. And, believe me, I have done many visa applications through my work and I am in Manchester too. You may get lucky and find there are no obstacles, but if I were you I wouldn't underestimate the thoroughness of the process.


Some of us have been through the process and have seen some of the potential pitfalls. Some of those people have chosen to contribute, but you've overlooked them. You're a musician, not from the UK and without steady work - you have to be pragmatic about this and you have to approach it as if no stone would be left unturned. There aren't any easy 'shortcuts'.


By the way, I'm not here to bash you, but you've got to be more astute about the way you approach it and listening to Trench spouting his 'opinion' won't help you move forward on this one. I sense you only want to get the best chance of a successful outcome.

The question you raise is the same one me and other forum members have raised, mostly from the UK, as we are aware of this. Rod hsa either not taken this on board or has refuted it, we can do no more. Same with the other point you make in him needing to be thorough in his preparation on all of this. Unfortunately, I think the way UK border control/immigration work are completely alien to Rod or he just doesn't care about the risk of it all going south and any fallout that may result. Its why my advice ultimately to him was to go for it since he has made up his mind.

I do not think she is a scammer, but if she is given thousands of pounds by Rod then he asks for it back he's putting her in an awkward position - she may or may not pay it back, the thing is its a lot of money out there so I think once sent that's it money gone.

The thing is many foreigners like Rod look at the 'requirements' given out and think if they fulfil them then job done - hardly, this is where opinions come in as those of us that live in the UK and from similar systems operated in US, AUS & Canada know that they ask these 'requirements' to turf up as much as they can about you. Its not a question of fulfilling requirements but the info you let slip along the way. We have tried to explain these to Rod but he still thinks its a question of fulfilling the 'requirements' lol. We have tried telling him the money he is putting down at present though meeting requirements also exposes the lack of financial backing he and his girl have got. Border control are unlikely to be as off hand as he is about it all.

Rod, by all means go ahead who knows you might wing it, I would suggest you want a lot of You Tube vids on the UK Border Force first and see the type of approach they take.

[ML]

Lists me as just the person who will be providing accommodation, along with my bank account statements for the past 6 months (and with over £1000 in the account each month, or £3000 in there right now)

What is left to deny the application?

Must be quite different in UK compared to USA.

For USA, a man listed as paying for accommodation would lead to quick denial of any type of visa.

[msmob]

Yes, ML
 
Quite different..  No problem to bring in a g/f as long as all the ducks are in a row.

SC was turned down as the UK Visa Application Centre...which had been paid extra to check...and SC forgot the English translations of her ownership of more than one asset in Russia..

They have really cut back on staff and they are under paid and over worked..so it is REALLY important to remove the slightest worry.

[GM_Rod]

So, addressing MANY claims:

I quoted the Sun randomly. That same article is also in the Post and a number of others, whatever your preference is.

I've passed the first stage of selection for a job. If I get it, it will pay £22k, so that's more than the £19k mentioned.

But, I'm paying my rent in advance since I can't pass reference checks, so my rent won't come off my salary. I did say I had savings, didn't I?

I wouldn't be PAYING FOR ACCOMODATION. She's staying at my place. If asked, my answer is she's my girlfriend. We haven't seen each other in a while because of her having issues with her mother and the mother actually took her passport away (this is completely true, she was supposed to go see me in Brazil, this is why she didn't go).
She has her passport now because she told mom she needed it for her file at work. I have a copy of it here already.

I won't be giving her any money directly, so I'm not going to run any risk of her keeping it and staying in Russia.

It will be just a girl from Russia applying for a student visa to study English in the UK, who would never have done this by herself but she happens to have met a nice man who is willing to bring her here, help her do this and also see if there's a relationship to be developed, since we've already met before and had a great time in Moscow together.

If it doesn't work, there will be no fallout for me except the expense. It might make it harder for HER to obtain a visa in the future, but she's obviously willing to take the risks. Why wouldn't she?
And, also if it doesn't work, I'll probably still learn something so...

[Davo2]

If asked, my answer is she's my girlfriend.

I can give you some up to date advice on what you need to show evidence of a relationship. After her visa as declined, I've been talking to a visa specialist. It's cost me nothing to talk to him over the  phone.

On his advice I've compiled the following.

* Complete message logs of all our conversations via email, what's app, Skype etc... for interest sake it's now over 100, 000 individual messages.

* From the message logs I've taken more personal discussions that someone in a legitimate relationship would discuss : -  messages of congratulations for birthdays and other events like my children's graduations. Messages from her parents giving me their regards,  Conversations regarding parenting issues and styles. Discussions about hopes and dreams, including how we would see our future  together. Discussions that are a little more intimate... Compliments, flirting etc. Messages of concern when a child or parent are sick.

* Video chat logs.... Times and lengths they occurred Again for interest sake we have chatted for several hundred hours. Soon we are  going to record our video chats.

* Pictures and  videos.... We have shared over 1000. Birthdays, graduations, our parents birthdays, video messages on valentines day, video tours of each others work, even every day things like sharing children's home work assignments and school reports.

Now all we have to do is actually meet and see if we have the same feelings face to face. If this is the case, we plan to  spend over a month together this year and with pictures of us together (hopefully something you already have), meeting her family and documented evidence such as sharing hotel rooms ect... we should have a good case to show a genuine relationship

[GM_Rod]

I can give you some up to date advice on what you need to show evidence of a relationship. After her visa as declined, I've been talking to a visa specialist. It's cost me nothing to talk to him over the  phone.

On his advice I've compiled the following.

* Complete message logs of all our conversations via email, what's app, Skype etc... for interest sake it's now over 100, 000 individual messages.

* From the message logs I've taken more personal discussions that someone in a legitimate relationship would discuss : -  messages of congratulations for birthdays and other events like my children's graduations. Messages from her parents giving me their regards,  Conversations regarding parenting issues and styles. Discussions about hopes and dreams, including how we would see our future  together. Discussions that are a little more intimate... Compliments, flirting etc. Messages of concern when a child or parent are sick.

* Video chat logs.... Times and lengths they occurred Again for interest sake we have chatted for several hundred hours. Soon we are  going to record our video chats.

* Pictures and  videos.... We have shared over 1000. Birthdays, graduations, our parents birthdays, video messages on valentines day, video tours of each others work, even every day things like sharing children's home work assignments and school reports.

Now all we have to do is actually meet and see if we have the same feelings face to face. If this is the case, we plan to  spend over a month together this year and with pictures of us together (hopefully something you already have), meeting her family and documented evidence such as sharing hotel rooms ect... we should have a good case to show a genuine relationship

Um... they're under staffed and overworked, someone here said.
I doubt, with every cell in my body, that they will actually LOOK at all that. Not in a million years.
But, hey, can't hurt!! Good luck man!!!

[Jumper]

I do wish you luck in your endeavor.

You didn't have much luck in getting a Canadian student  visa, and I fear  it's going to be as difficult, or more so, for her to get a UK general/student one.

Still it seems she's willing to risk it, and you're  willing to pay what it takes ,even if its denied , ,so why not?

And congrats on the job!


This is slightly related if you decide to take other paths eventually:
Or to help those thinking of meeting their FSU interest in a schengen country.

My wife is Ukrainian,  when we were dating she was a young single female, with no real ties to her country other than employment  which means little (sound familiar?)so even EU tourist trips were difficult to get a visa for without jumping thru some already established and proven routes.

Applying for a  France,  tourist /schengen as example at that time was a pretty certain denial.With no past history of travel or honor ing a visas guidelines.
However other schengen countries with closer ties to Ukraine ,and which share a border ,more commerce ,and more families crossing etc were more likeky to approve.
   Approval odds also increased if you booked an official tour through a tour company.
There is no real need to stay on that tour, just begin with it and end with it. Enter and exit visas matching etc.
So a polish schengen visa approved   she visited several EU countries and returned through Poland. Applying for future visas established a travel and visa history that helped assure other approvals that before would be quite unlikely.


We've known several others approach that type of visa that way with good success.
Russians generally get an easier approval than Ukrainians it seems,  but have known Russians denied  schengen italian visa, to be approved for Estonia. Then be able to travel regardless,and later be approved directly for another trip.to.italy.
So type of  approach seems to matter, in those countries even though it shouldn't really since nothing  changed in the applicants background or circumstance on the initial approval.

[Davo2]

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Um... they're under staffed and overworked, someone here said.
I doubt, with every cell in my body, that they will actually LOOK at all that. Not in a million years.
But, hey, can't hurt!! Good luck man!!!

I'm not telling you this to have a go and I don't expect you to have the extent of messages etc that I do, as I've been chatting for a ridiculously long time and many hours everyday. All I'm saying is this is what a specialist that has written visas of all types for guys like us, has told me to do to show evidence of a relationship. This was specifically in regards to what you are attempting and what i will have another attempt to do, sponsoring her accommodation. The specialist isn't going to ask for this if he doesn't see it as being important to a successful visa bid.

It's just a heads up so you can prepare yourself, because it will take many hours to compile this type of information.

Obviously they aren't going to read 100's of pages of messages, which is why I've separated the more important discussions. I was told they expect to see evidence of substantial correspondence if she's your girlfriend.

I get the feeling you are completely underestimating whats required and how critically they will look at the information you both supply. As I said  previously, I made this mistake only several months ago. One 5 minute phone call would have saved me weeks of  planning, I recommend you do the same before giving it another thought.

[southernX]

I can give you some up to date advice on what you need to show evidence of a relationship. After her visa as declined, I've been talking to a visa specialist. It's cost me nothing to talk to him over the  phone.

On his advice I've compiled the following.

* Complete message logs of all our conversations via email, what's app, Skype etc... for interest sake it's now over 100, 000 individual messages.

* From the message logs I've taken more personal discussions that someone in a legitimate relationship would discuss : -  messages of congratulations for birthdays and other events like my children's graduations. Messages from her parents giving me their regards,  Conversations regarding parenting issues and styles. Discussions about hopes and dreams, including how we would see our future  together. Discussions that are a little more intimate... Compliments, flirting etc. Messages of concern when a child or parent are sick.

* Video chat logs.... Times and lengths they occurred Again for interest sake we have chatted for several hundred hours. Soon we are  going to record our video chats.

* Pictures and  videos.... We have shared over 1000. Birthdays, graduations, our parents birthdays, video messages on valentines day, video tours of each others work, even every day things like sharing children's home work assignments and school reports.

Now all we have to do is actually meet and see if we have the same feelings face to face. If this is the case, we plan to  spend over a month together this year and with pictures of us together (hopefully something you already have), meeting her family and documented evidence such as sharing hotel rooms ect... we should have a good case to show a genuine relationship




they're under staffed and overworked, someone here said.
I doubt, with every cell in my body, that they will actually LOOK at all that. Not in a million years.
But, hey, can't hurt!! Good luck man!!!

rod ...you are fooling yourself if you dont think immi in UK will look at this body of evidence mate

back when we applied  in australia with immi i did exactly the same as davo is suggesting to you here , printed of pages of emails , skype conversations , , phone records etc as a part of the application file ...... it was submitted along with tons of other evidence , some they asked for , and alot of it i supplied anyway to prove the case ..

my now wife travelled to moscow for her interview with immigration , when the interview was finished after 45 minutes they handed her the large blue file that was part of the evidence on our application , to that point she had not seen the whole volume and she was staggered at how large it was and what was in that file , our application , she brought it out to australia , and on many pages there are notations , signatures or underlined items that showed us it had been read and checked by our case file officer , both in australia and moscow .

currently you have a lot of things that will go against you and make any application difficult , so while you think you know and have  it nailed your clue less to a large degree on how this plays out imo

you need to listen and take some advice imo , any first application that does not succeed will make it more difficult later , understand that and when you do apply make sure its solid and accurate or dont bother at all

SX

[southernX]

I'm not telling you this to have a go and I don't expect you to have the extent of messages etc that I do, as I've been chatting for a ridiculously long time and many hours everyday. All I'm saying is this is what a specialist that has written visas of all types for guys like us, has told me to do to show evidence of a relationship. This was specifically in regards to what you are attempting another attempt to do, sponsoring her accomodation. The specialist isn't going to ask for this if he doesn't see it as being important to a successful visa bid.

It's just a heads up so you can prepare yourself, because it will take many hours to compile this type of information.

Obviously they aren't going to read 100's of pages of messages, which is why I've separated the more important discussions. I was told they expect to see evidence of substantial correspondence if she's your girlfriend.

I get the feeling you are completely underestimating whats required and how critically they will look at the information you both supply. As I said  previously, I made this mistake only several months ago. One 5 minute phone call would have saved me weeks of  planning, I recommend you do the same before giving it another thought.

good advice davo

doing a visa application is not difficult for the average bear , but getting some specialist advice and guidance from the outset is a good way to get it right first time out , especialyl if you use a visa agent who does  it for his bread and butter

SX

[Trenchcoat]

I think one thing you need to bear in mind also Rod, aside from all of this is that if you need manage to get her in the country she could easily go off with another guy. More so I think if she has a student visa as even if you were providing accommodation the visa is tied to being a student not to you as a sponsor as under the other route of you bring her bf.

Point is the UK is full of quality guys that she does no have access to back home. Certainly richer guys but also guys that may be deemed better looking, better social skills, etc. Now you have not got a gf at the moment and I assume haven't had one for a while. What is the likelihood she may look around a big city like Manchester and before long bump into a guy she takes to more than you and decides things are different now and goes off with him. I get the impression you are counting on her gratitude at getting her the visa but I'm not sure if that will really count for much at the end of the day.

[GM_Rod]

I did ask if anyone had an agent or lawyer for me to use. The bickering just went on, and I didn't get a reference on this.

Now... The idea of getting a visa for a different country and then her coming here through EU seems GREAT, I want to look further into that!!!

[GM_Rod]

I think one thing you need to bear in mind also Rod, aside from all of this is that if you need manage to get her in the country she could easily go off with another guy. More so I think if she has a student visa as even if you were providing accommodation the visa is tied to being a student not to you as a sponsor as under the other route of you bring her bf.

Point is the UK is full of quality guys that she does no have access to back home. Certainly richer guys but also guys that may be deemed better looking, better social skills, etc. Now you have not got a gf at the moment and I assume haven't had one for a while. What is the likelihood she may look around a big city like Manchester and before long bump into a guy she takes to more than you and decides things are different now and goes off with him. I get the impression you are counting on her gratitude at getting her the visa but I'm not sure if that will really count for much at the end of the day.

This is just utterly completely wrong.
I am better looking than average. Definitely not threatened at all by UK men and their bad teeth (no offense to UK guys in this thread), not to mention UK guys, as ALL women I've talked to have stated, can be too shy and too "polite" if you know what I mean.
Better social skills than a Brazilian? Such a thing does not exist. Besides I am a talented musician who doesn't drink or smoke (another hard thing to find anywhere but especially in the UK).
I did have a GF in the period me and this girl didn't talk. For about 8 months. We're not together anymore because it didn't make sense for her to come with me to UK (she was halfway through college on a full scholarship, and didn't speak any english).
Gratitude? No. She reached out to me first, and she did that without any specific motives to come here, her coming here was my idea. In fact the first time we discussed it, she just said "I don't know if I have good chances of getting a visa there". Obviously she thought about it before, but hey, she's hot. She could find any other guy to get her here. She emailed ME. She's texting ME everyday.
Again, she could be doing this simultaneously with several guys, and sure, if she's studying here, she's bound to meet guys at the school at the very least.

But my friend, her going off with another guy is definitely one part of all this I'm NOT worried about.

[mhr7]

I think one thing you need to bear in mind also Rod, aside from all of this is that if you need manage to get her in the country she could easily go off with another guy. More so I think if she has a student visa as even if you were providing accommodation the visa is tied to being a student not to you as a sponsor as under the other route of you bring her bf.

Point is the UK is full of quality guys that she does no have access to back home. Certainly richer guys but also guys that may be deemed better looking, better social skills, etc. Now you have not got a gf at the moment and I assume haven't had one for a while. What is the likelihood she may look around a big city like Manchester and before long bump into a guy she takes to more than you and decides things are different now and goes off with him. I get the impression you are counting on her gratitude at getting her the visa but I'm not sure if that will really count for much at the end of the day.

Your insecurities are going to get you nowhere in this game, Trench.

[Davo2]

Rod, I wouldn't worry about this too much. You obviously have an emotional connection with her and i'm sure you have enough experience with dating to know once you've established this, generally she will only have eyes for you..... except my Ex wife!!!! get her drunk and she's open for business to any man who shows interest     

[Trenchcoat]

This is just utterly completely wrong.
I am better looking than average. Definitely not threatened at all by UK men and their bad teeth (no offense to UK guys in this thread), not to mention UK guys, as ALL women I've talked to have stated, can be too shy and too "polite" if you know what I mean.
Better social skills than a Brazilian? Such a thing does not exist. Besides I am a talented musician who doesn't drink or smoke (another hard thing to find anywhere but especially in the UK).
I did have a GF in the period me and this girl didn't talk. For about 8 months. We're not together anymore because it didn't make sense for her to come with me to UK (she was halfway through college on a full scholarship, and didn't speak any english).
Gratitude? No. She reached out to me first, and she did that without any specific motives to come here, her coming here was my idea. In fact the first time we discussed it, she just said "I don't know if I have good chances of getting a visa there". Obviously she thought about it before, but hey, she's hot. She could find any other guy to get her here. She emailed ME. She's texting ME everyday.
Again, she could be doing this simultaneously with several guys, and sure, if she's studying here, she's bound to meet guys at the school at the very least.

But my friend, her going off with another guy is definitely one part of all this I'm NOT worried about.

If she's hot Rod she'll be hot to other guys too. The competition in the UK is 'a lot' stiffer than out in the FSU. Guys that pull up in a real flash expensive Merc compared to your bus pass and who own their own place. Guys who spend most of their free time working out at the Gym - wash board stomachs attract women. You sat you are handsome and sociaable but have no gf here in the UK in the months you have been here - you know local dating is easier than importing a girl.

The girl I know contacted you without knowing you were in the UK. I'm sure at the moment you are top of her list, but when she gets in the UK that can change - if she sees she can get better she will probably go for it. You must understand,  why is such a hit girl single in the FSU? Answer is because their are no decent guys there that she is attracted to. That all changes once she is in a country like the UK, US, etc she will be surrounded by choice and it will not be long before she notices in a built up city like Manchester. Look around you and see what you are up against its a lot more numerous than you might think.

[Davo2]

Trench this attitude is going to destroy any genuine relationship you form. Jealousy and lack of trust is a  turn off for women. If you can't trust her 100% then you should never be with her in the first place.

Infidelity happens often, but not usually in a  healthy relationship. When you constantly talk about this, it comes across that you're insecure and have already accepted that you can't form a deep enough relationship where she will remain faithful.

Trust me ... Us guys who have experienced mutually respectful and loving relationships are thinking WTF!!! are you going on about. You are the only one who thinks this is an issue.

Have you never fallen in love with someone and she fallen for you, so deeply that no one else exists?  This is the woman you need to find!!

No offence, buy you have more hang ups than the members of the victims of infidelity support group, I'm a moderator of and most of us were married to serial cheaters!! If you posted this attitude in our group, we would all encourage you to go the therapy, because you can't form a successful new relationship with this baggage... I'm actually being serious.

[msmob]

What will her/your response be when they ask who you are and what your relationship to her is to be providing accommodation and sponsorship?

Welcome to the thread, lyndontom

This and your other points raised and observations are concise and useful.

Davo - sorry mate - but showing the chat after 'long time no see' - then an invite and offer to pay from Rod, when the lass hasn't got any history of stability, financially - it WILL not fly re a UK application. 

Your info is giving false hope

[Davo2]

Welcome to the thread, lyndontom

This and your other points raised and observations are concise and useful.

Davo - sorry mate - but showing the chat after 'long time no see' - then an invite and offer to pay from Rod, when the lass hasn't got any history of stability, financially - it WILL not fly re a UK application. 

Your info is giving false hope

Yeah, I may well be giving him false hope and it's probably a tough ask to put something reasonable together with not much time together in Russia and the break as you said,  but it seems like he's going to give it a crack. At least he has what's needed or what he needs to work on to show a relationship.
I'm guessing the UK is similar to OZ, I know exactly what a responsible visa specialist will say, the same as I was told..... Go and spend as much time with her as possible before you attempt to sponsor her.

[Sting23]

I think one thing you need to bear in mind also Rod, aside from all of this is that if you need manage to get her in the country she could easily go off with another guy. More so I think if she has a student visa as even if you were providing accommodation the visa is tied to being a student not to you as a sponsor as under the other route of you bring her bf.

Point is the UK is full of quality guys that she does no have access to back home. Certainly richer guys but also guys that may be deemed better looking, better social skills, etc.

Trench, no. not the "she'll find another guy" thing again. Stop.

[GM_Rod]

Trench is too funny, you guys.
I've been talking to friends about how people's own insecurities blind them to stuff.
They take whatever it is they're watching or reading, and they give it any meaning they want, all based on their own issues. Sad.

You say the competition is STIFF in the UK?

You should go to Brazil to see what stiff competition really is. Psh!!

Davo is doing his best, and even if his suggestion might not apply to me, it's definitely not a bad idea to do what he's doing. Like I said, it can't hurt, right? The thing is, most of the conversation between me and my girl happens on video... and on our phones. I do have a screen recording app I could use, but man... would I put the videos on youtube in a private shared mode and give the link to border patrol? Would I supply the videos on a DVD disc? Come on...