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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #475 on: November 08, 2017, 02:05:30 PM »
I would not be surprised if some are fakes.  Hookers are notorious for taking pictures of other attractive women and using them for their own.
Yes but not in this case...  I know WHERE she was on the 5th May when that website was created... (and two days later she was with me...) and few days AFTER she changed his Instagram name to have in it the same name of the Hooker...  and the pics are not from Instagram. Sandro opened me an entire world of correlations with that information...

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #476 on: November 08, 2017, 02:16:49 PM »
Really, both parties should simply stop communicating and move on with their lives. 

Once one party says 'stop contacting me' that should be it.  Anything after that point is harassment/stalking.

I fail to see a scam.  Regarding the tuition fee, it's pretty reasonable that such would be paid in her name to the school and could only be requested back by her. No foul.

That she is/was/is again a prostitute or not is quite irrelevant.  Attempts to use such information against her, threats to publish such on websites etc could well work against the accuser.  I would certainly interpret such as stalking and harassment.

The flyer
http://www.kapo.zh.ch/internet/sicherheitsdirektion/kapo/
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30_1357799536820.spooler.download.1448534209805.pdf/stalking_flyer.pdf
 
is quite informative.
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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #477 on: November 08, 2017, 02:21:46 PM »
Your best bet is to move on, and forget this has ever happened.  I promise you that she will.  As for removing the exchange of data, while I am not the forum owner or a moderator, I can say that this exchange is EXACTLY what we are here for.  Not you, specifically, but the exchanges between WM and FSUW. 

Years ago, I had proof that a gal was a scammer.  I went on and on about it and Brass finally opened my eyes to the fact that I was wasting too much time on her and that I was just as culpable by giving her gifts and support (while I was in Ukraine).

I now say to you that you have to pick up your shoes and move on to what I hope is your great love.  And quickly this gal will be forgotten.  By reading what she says, I can already tell you that she is never someone you would want to wind up with.

Udachi.
Kissing girls is a goodness.  It beats the hell out of card games.  - Robert Heinlein

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #478 on: November 08, 2017, 02:32:24 PM »
Really, both parties should simply stop communicating and move on with their lives. 

Once one party says 'stop contacting me' that should be it.  Anything after that point is harassment/stalking.

I fail to see a scam.  Regarding the tuition fee, it's pretty reasonable that such would be paid in her name to the school and could only be requested back by her. No foul.

That she is/was/is again a prostitute or not is quite irrelevant.  Attempts to use such information against her, threats to publish such on websites etc could well work against the accuser.  I would certainly interpret such as stalking and harassment.

BC, do not assume that it would be true the accuse that such websites exist. All those internet stuff (mentioned in the DD file btw) are existing way before our knowledge. As for the tuition fee she never told to the school to wire back to who paid and in the meanwhile she was NOT communicating with me. The school on its own contacted me under suspicion.. and after we fixed the story. To be noted that she also told a lie to the school stating that she had problem with the Visa (this is rule to have the money back) while she didn't show up at the Moscow embassy where she had an appointment.  Then the school asked for an official document of the Federation which was refusing the Visa...   BC, can we please stop this pointless discussion here based on zero documentation?  REALLY.... Thanks.
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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #479 on: November 08, 2017, 02:46:20 PM »
Minsky,

I'm just pointing out a rocky road ahead for you continuing the path you seem to be following.

What is it that you really want?


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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #480 on: November 08, 2017, 03:05:57 PM »
Minsky,

I'm just pointing out a rocky road ahead for you continuing the path you seem to be following.

What is it that you really want?

Me??? First I want that people speaks knowing the data. You don't. I'm doing nothing, ZERO! But you give advices without even reading the few documents I attached before ... so what YOU want? Which path I would be following??? Informing the authorities about what happened is a crime or it is a duty?? I signed as RESPONSIBLE with the authorities of this girls while she was in Switzerland (and she asked me to do!!!). I had to close the loop as for duty in the most crystal clear way possible.  Good night BC!!

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #481 on: November 08, 2017, 09:56:02 PM »
You may have noticed from the right-hand column that a new member appeared yesterday, i.e.  Shevko.

Today I received a rather long email from her:......................


Comments?


I have a comment for Shevko. If you open your legs for money, do not be surprised some of the worst men of society will enter and it will be hard to get rid of them.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #482 on: November 08, 2017, 11:34:14 PM »
The letter posted by Sandro contains a couple of false extremely hateful statements which I need to challenge.

1.) That relationship was NOT based on sex vs money exchange.
2.) No blackmailing to bring her in outside her country. Her relatives spotted her misdoing and hurting the all family reputation.

Sex for money was her HIDDEN EXTERNAL activity covered with tons of lies during the year of our relationship (just read my attachment in the previous posts and it is clear..). Of course I knew  (from herself) about the fact that very occasionally she did it in the PAST. This is the  Double Dealer part of the story. Of course she got help and gifts as in a normal situation.

Scamming is certainty ALSO the fact that she asked help, got it, had a lot of fun, had the perfect holiday (her words) , having the life turned by 180 degree from the gangster environment she was part of and in the end accusing to having be forced (blackmailing!!). This is not just scamming but a criminal offense. (or something interesting for a psychiatric care)

She got the opportunity to get education in one of the best University of the world and leave her slums. She trashed this in total freedom and cheating all around. This opportunity was given thanks to the good impression I had about her relatives that she really could change direction.... But lies continued (and are continuing).

I think that could be fine if the same bitter experience will not happen to others with whom she will continue her "career".
« Last Edit: November 09, 2017, 12:55:47 AM by minsky »

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #483 on: November 09, 2017, 01:38:45 AM »
Minsky,

As someone who used the internet to counter a slur - I did warn you in another thread to STOP - that this would be a trainwreck

The truth of the matter is .... no-one really cares who was right or wrong and you provide entertainment for the peanut gallery.

Now you want taken down, what you sought ?......  to 'alert other guys'.....  I mean that WAS your motive, right ? .........


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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #484 on: November 09, 2017, 02:28:42 AM »
MSMOB,

I fully agree with you... this discussion here is less than stupid.  I just recommended to take down a situation triggered by a 1:1 PM which publication I don't know if it was authorized (Sandro didn't write this). I understand that it made a lot of fun for the peanut gallery but some statements there are really crossing the legal line and completely false and damaged the author of that PM. But! This is not the place where to discuss this topic (from the PM).  I still hold this opinion. I think that  any of the other 77 DD in Sandro's could send similar fantasy.

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« Reply #485 on: November 09, 2017, 04:48:26 AM »
Me??? First I want that people speaks knowing the data. You don't. I'm doing nothing, ZERO! But you give advices without even reading the few documents I attached before ... so what YOU want? Which path I would be following??? Informing the authorities about what happened is a crime or it is a duty?? I signed as RESPONSIBLE with the authorities of this girls while she was in Switzerland (and she asked me to do!!!). I had to close the loop as for duty in the most crystal clear way possible.  Good night BC!!

Of course, if you were her visa sponsor you should let the authorities know that you will no longer sponsor her and that the visa should not be issued.  You paid for her school and she did not attend.  She asked for a refund and guessing did not get it.  You knew her 'hobby', but thought she would give it up for you.  Obviously, you wanted more out of the relationship than she did.  Whether or not it's a crime?  I dunno, but does that even really matter to you now?  When men and women form a relationship there is some kind of trade involved.  It seems more like you wanted to be her white knight whereas she was looking for a more loose relationship.  She may have simply added up what you were offering and decided not to go forward in the end, more bucks doing what she was doing before to support herself and being more independent..  You did learn a lesson to avoid in the future.  The advice you were given was free, but you decided to pay for a proper lesson instead.  That's quite ok.  Most guys are so dazzled by long legs n nice titties they'll learn their lesson the hard way.  Par for the course and exactly why any attempts to prevent others from falling in the flytrap, or prevent her from finding other 'sponsors', is as futile as people here that tried to prevent you from falling in.  At least you had good sex a couple times (I hope).  Many of the guys following your path don't even get that ;)

Bottom line, you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink.

Remember also that there is a language difficulty between you and others here on the board.  Misunderstandings are normal.  If you feel the need to chat, just send me your telephone number in a message and I'll call you.  I get along well with either German or Italian languages.

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #486 on: November 09, 2017, 05:32:50 AM »
BC,

now you are much closer to the real situation... just add a couple of tons of lies and bad faith and comedy and you are there.... Really a challenge to survive to them...  )))

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #487 on: November 10, 2017, 03:17:47 AM »
We know now, thanks to Sandro ( http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doppiogioco.htm#Shevko ),  that the pics in this page are from Anhelina  http://topescortbabes.com/escort/Sabrina_25615?18plus=true by chance posted and since long time in Vilnius... (2014)... BUT the age is basically up-to-date...  SABRINA (the hooker) seems to be ANHELINA.... The face is HIDDEN  (WHY????  :clapping:) and Vilnius is very close to Minsk...  ;) Train station is in front of the University...  On my side I know how often Angelina disappeared or missed one flight or had the phone off ... Was she the perfect Double Dealer or was it another hooker taking her pics?  ;D Quite a  (Scammer) experience!!

A wasted life (cit.)
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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #488 on: November 10, 2017, 08:13:08 AM »
A wasted life (cit.)

And now you are going to waste your time and life on this ????
A beautiful woman is pleasant to look at, but it is easier to live with a pleasant acting one.

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« Reply #489 on: November 10, 2017, 08:21:01 AM »
And now you are going to waste your time and life on this ????

...no, but regret a bit the already wasted time... can I?  :D

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« Reply #490 on: November 10, 2017, 12:47:34 PM »
...no, but regret a bit the already wasted time... can I?  :D


When those women are spreading their legs for other customers, they aren't missing you or shedding a tear. You knew you were getting involved with a woman who had a past, poor morals and values, and a questionable character. The wasted year and  risk you took with her was your own.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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« Reply #491 on: November 10, 2017, 01:00:20 PM »

When those women are spreading their legs for other customers, they aren't missing you or shedding a tear. You knew you were getting involved with a woman who had a past, poor morals and values, and a questionable character. The wasted year and  risk you took with her was your own.
Yeah Billy you are right... Cannot turn a Hoe into a housewife... But the bet was because it was said a "finished and extremely short past (something like one month in all)", because she showed interest in study and because being young I did guess not yet lost...  But... Bet lost. Badly lost. And all those lies... Jesus... so painful!
As written 2000 years ago by Tacitus "Neque femina amissa pudicitia alia abnuerit"...

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #492 on: November 10, 2017, 01:12:25 PM »

I know a few guys at work that go to strip clubs. All the girls are just doing it for a short time and trying to make money for school. It's a better story to get men to open their wallets than if they tell them the truth such as trying to earn money to buy their daily dosage of drugs.
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« Reply #493 on: November 10, 2017, 02:08:46 PM »
.... any attempts to prevent others from falling in the flytrap, or prevent her from finding other 'sponsors', is as futile as people here that tried to prevent you from falling in.  At least you had good sex a couple times (I hope).  Many of the guys following your path don't even get that ;)


I'm sure she'll succeed 100% in fooling others. She is sooo trained in telling lies that can sell everything... even getting simphaty by someone for what happened this year believing she was the victim of an ogre...

... couple? yes... of hundreds..  ;D

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« Reply #494 on: November 10, 2017, 02:41:51 PM »
minsky with all the venom you are spewing at this girl sounds like you were taken for quite the ride.  what's done is done, let it go.

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Re: DOUBLE DEALERS
« Reply #495 on: November 10, 2017, 02:52:42 PM »
What's the story, you met this girl on a plane randomly? Sounds far fetched to me.
If you are 65 as on your profile can you honestly expect a girl in her 20's to be interested in you with no hidden agenda?

Sounds like you guys used each other for sex and money and then you got upset that she has a checkered past. 

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« Reply #496 on: November 10, 2017, 03:05:31 PM »
What's the story, you met this girl on a plane randomly? Sounds far fetched to me.
If you are 65 as on your profile can you honestly expect a girl in her 20's to be interested in you with no hidden agenda?

Sounds like you guys used each other for sex and money and then you got upset that she has a checkered past.

...not 65..   ;)   

Yes.... very hidden agenda vs a clean and transparent new life. Just read about the school story...
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« Reply #497 on: November 10, 2017, 03:09:35 PM »
...not 65..   ;)   

Yes.... very hidden agenda vs a clean and transparent new life.

How much of this do you want us to believe if you admit that you are lying on your profile, that you lied about the country you are from, etc.  Frankly, you tell everyone that this gal is a liar and then you lie yourself.  I do understand trying to hide your identity on the internet.  But if you don't wish to tell your age, you are not compelled to include it.    To me, it seems like intentional deception.
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« Reply #498 on: November 10, 2017, 03:16:40 PM »
Naaa just unchecked data sorry for that. I'm newbie here.

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« Reply #499 on: November 10, 2017, 03:19:06 PM »
The way he writes makes him sound like 16 and breaking up with his first girlfriend.   Even if he lost alot of money this wasn't a "scam".  Good thing she didn't get pregnant and left you on the hook for child support! now THAT would be a scam. 

Shows that if guys only think about that ONE thing, you can lose common sense in everything else.
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