protecting your wallet from your "new girlfriend" in the FSU

[TheReality411]

Hi guys!
  I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.
1st- treat these women EXACTLY as you would a woman you met at home. If you wouldn't take a woman you just met at a bar to the mall, within a day or two of meeting her, and start buying her gifts, then DO NOT do it on your trip! These women may live in an impoverished country but they ARE NOT stupid! One way woman part you from your wallet is by knowing time is of the essence. There is some desperation on the travelers part because time is so short. These women know that most of the men are desperate to keep her interest so one strategy she may use is to act very Interested until she gains his confidence, and then suddenly start giving the subtle impression that she is losing interest. Again, she's not stupid, she knows that if there are only a week or so left in his trip he is going to start to panic. That is when you may suddenly find yourself in an expensive shopping district. Ever hear the saying "money can't buy love"? She will hint around that a handbag looks nice, or what have you, to see if you are willing to spend money on her. DONT! If you don't spend money on her and she sulks, acts irritated or acts even less interested than before, then you know exactly what she was up to. If you do buy her something and she is suddenly all over you again, consider yourself milked and run!! DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet. Many men find that they get caught up in the excitement, they buy the woman something, come to their senses, close the wallet and then suddenly find that their new "girlfriend" has a million excuses as to why she can no longer see you. Be smart, don't get so flattered by the fact that an 18 year old is looking at you like you are George Clooney (when in all actuality you look more like George Costanza) that you get carried away and lose your common sense. Until you show her differently, she may think you have the wallet of George Clooney! Remember, all they know about American men is what they've seen in the movies and been told by other people and all you know about them is what other people have told you. Only believe what you experience yourself! Does it really seem possible or realistic that all beautiful Russian women look like Miss Universe but act like June Cleaver?! Enjoy your trip but keep your head on straight!!!

[I/O]

Here's the short version.

Thanks for not suffering us the long version.

[TheReality411]

 
You're lucky, my thesis was a book!
 

[ML]

Now, you tell us !!

If I had only known before.

[I/O]

my thesis was a book!

Hope it was published on soft paper.

[tfcrew]

DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! 

This wealth of information just blew me away!

[krimster2]

dear mr Reality411,

Give a woman a flower, and you will receive in measure something equal in value to a flower.
give a woman all that you CAN give and she will give you all that she CAN give

this from a man who violated your rules to the maximum he was able to, and is still in love with the same woman 15 years later, and married to her for 14 and w/ kids
In short, it's not about her, it's about you, be genuine, and you will be with someone genuine

[2tallbill]

Hi guys!
  I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.

There is more advice than you might think here on this board about not getting
fleeced by prodaters (see we even have a name for it)

You just came on a little strong. A better idea to start out is to introduce
yourself and how and why you found the forum. Have you been to the
FSU? dated or married a FSUW? stuff like that.

Then you could say "hey believe it or not, I wrote a thesis on XYZ" I could
post a little synopsis if anyone is interested.

Everyone would have said, "sure I would like to check it out". Also, if you
notice that I put in a blank space for no reason grammatically, it's because
it makes my post easier to read. So when you post a big block of information
break it up every 4-6 lines, more people will read it. 

Udachi!


Bill

[I/O]

Everyone would have said, "sure I would like to check it out".

Nah, there's still enough founding members of the CBC left lurking around who'd have stuck it to him anyway.

[SANDRO43]

Hi guys!
I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject..........

That's old stuff to the regular readers of this forum , and years ago we also produced a downloadable E-book (Men of the West - Women From the East) on the whole subject, as well as some Anti-Scam Tools.

[Doll]

Thanks for not suffering us the long version.

[BillyB]

DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip!

Most of what you wrote is good but I disagree with the above. If a guy invests months of his life communicating with a woman, he should bring gifts from his country, not just a flower. The gifts shouldn't have to be expensive but they should have thought put into them and be meaningful.


At this site when a woman takes a man on a shopping trip, we recommend the guy to turn around, walk away and never look back. Bad manners shouldn't be tolerated. A guy not bringing gifts from home is also bad manners.

[2tallbill]

Nah, there's still enough founding members of the CBC left lurking around who'd have stuck it to him anyway.

Probably, but a little decorum might have softened the drubbing.

I'm now inspired to start several new informative threads

1. Did you know that they use a different alphabet in many
parts of the FSU? They call it Cyrillic
2. FSUW have sexy accents, who knew?
3. A hearty soup/stew with beets (they call it borscht)
4. Short skirts and heels they might be on to something here
5. Kopecks a hundred make a Ruble (Hryvnia)
6. Russian snow (it's cold and wet)

[CDW]

I made a big mistake in the past with a Colombian woman whom I was engaged to.  I was too generous and gave her whatever she wanted.    She was happy with the gift - but her happiness lasted only 5 minutes!!

[CDW]

Hi guys!
 
 DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet.

I wouldn't give her only flower, but I would give her a good souvenir, something from your country.   For example, if you live in Pisa, Italy, obviously give her a small statue of the leaning tower.   Nothing expensive though.

[ML]

Russian snow (it's cold and wet)
[/quote ]

Well, quite often the snow is not wet . . . because it's too cold !

[ML]

She was happy with the gift - but her happiness lasted only 5 minutes!!

Maybe because that's as long as you 'lasted.'

If you can last for an hour . . . she would be ecstatic.

Try it . . . she'll like it.

[Shadow]

I wonder how many women were interested in the OP after finding out he only bought them a flower.

[2tallbill]

Well, quite often the snow is not wet . . . because it's too cold !

I currently live in North Dakota, and we only have 7 months of snow. 
I agree that when it get really cold out the snow can be dry, but if
you get a little of that dry snow in your boot then it will be wet soon
enough.

You talked me out of it. I guess you are right that particular idea won't
be good thread starter material I'll have to come up with some other
riveting idea 

Here is me driving in late April on a beautiful spring day in North Dakota



My window rolled down when it was -19F and wouldn't roll back up. The
switch broke of in my hand when I tried to get the window back up. I
went into a grocery store and convinced them to give me a roll of shrink
wrap which I used to make my own window

[Chicagoguy]

It never ceases to amaze me that some men can behave so differently when with Russian women that they would with local women.
Maybe they are just completely unfamiliar with all women ?

I usually just took a tourist type book from Chicago or longer ago some good coffee.

[AC]

Thanks for not suffering us the long version.

Here's my short version:  Guys like this can protect their wallet by simply staying home.  Don't bother spending any money on airfare, hotels or apartments, meals and translators.  Since you don't have even a remote clue that women like to be romanced by generous men who don't begrudge a woman for being a woman; stay home and date that lovely fatty at McDonald's who is pining for the one flower she is likely to receive in her lifetime.  Next!   

[ML]

My window rolled down when it was -19F and wouldn't roll back up. The switch broke of in my hand when I tried to get the window back up. I went into a grocery store and convinced them to give me a roll of shrink wrap which I used to make my own window

OMG Bill, this gives me  the chills thinking  about  it.

For many, many years I ordered cars from  the factory specifying NO ELECTRIC WINDOWS.  The dealers all told me it was stupid, because everyone  wants electric windows.  I said NO.

Why they asked?

Here's what will happen I told them.

It is pouring rain.  You pull into the airport parking lot, put the window down, take the ticket . . . and the window doesn't go back up.  Your  flight leaves in 20-30 minutes (this was back before terrorists).

But, at some year,  don't remember what, it  became impossible to even order a car without electric windows.  Still a pretty  stupid idea to have electric windows.  Elect door lock is OK, because key will still work if electric lock  fails.  But electric windows . . . you are focked big time as Bill found out.

I had a big monster of a Caddy once.  Not only were the elec window controls on the door . . . the windshield wiper control was there also.  A very stupid idea . . . because the wires have to go from the door around to the windshield motor area.  So everytime  the door opens and closes, some wear occurs on the wires.  Luckily,  a near problem was discovered during some routine check up, and the wiper wires were mended.

Moon roof is another stupid  idea.  An area on top of car, sunken down with seals that will wear out at some point along with the open - close mechanism . . . yeah, let's make it . . . a lot of idiots will buy it.

And leather seats that are cold in winter and make your legs and a$$ sweat in summer.  Oh yeah, we can fix that with some electric wires under your butt and some sort of cooling device.  Should be pretty trouble free.

[jone]

ML,

Those are Midwest stories.  I moved to Southern California so I could have moon roofs AND electric windows.  Every once in a while my daughter's convertible top doesn't work.  But that's only when it is already up - the motor won't work to put the top down. 

Life is good here.

[I/O]

Here's my short version:

I thought the "impoverished country" part was the low point.

[lonedrake]

Hi guys!
  I've noticed that there is a lot of advice on these boards about what to expect on your trip to the FSU but very little on how to protect yourself (and your wallet) from those women who make a living by parting Western men from their money. It's a subject I'm pretty familiar with being that I wrote my masters thesis on the subject. Here's the short version.
1st- treat these women EXACTLY as you would a woman you met at home. If you wouldn't take a woman you just met at a bar to the mall, within a day or two of meeting her, and start buying her gifts, then DO NOT do it on your trip! These women may live in an impoverished country but they ARE NOT stupid! One way woman part you from your wallet is by knowing time is of the essence. There is some desperation on the travelers part because time is so short. These women know that most of the men are desperate to keep her interest so one strategy she may use is to act very Interested until she gains his confidence, and then suddenly start giving the subtle impression that she is losing interest. Again, she's not stupid, she knows that if there are only a week or so left in his trip he is going to start to panic. That is when you may suddenly find yourself in an expensive shopping district. Ever hear the saying "money can't buy love"? She will hint around that a handbag looks nice, or what have you, to see if you are willing to spend money on her. DONT! If you don't spend money on her and she sulks, acts irritated or acts even less interested than before, then you know exactly what she was up to. If you do buy her something and she is suddenly all over you again, consider yourself milked and run!! DO NOT BUY HER ANYTHING except maybe a flower on your first trip! It is truly the ONLY way to know if she is interested in you or if she is interested in how much money is waiting for her in your wallet. Many men find that they get caught up in the excitement, they buy the woman something, come to their senses, close the wallet and then suddenly find that their new "girlfriend" has a million excuses as to why she can no longer see you. Be smart, don't get so flattered by the fact that an 18 year old is looking at you like you are George Clooney (when in all actuality you look more like George Costanza) that you get carried away and lose your common sense. Until you show her differently, she may think you have the wallet of George Clooney! Remember, all they know about American men is what they've seen in the movies and been told by other people and all you know about them is what other people have told you. Only believe what you experience yourself! Does it really seem possible or realistic that all beautiful Russian women look like Miss Universe but act like June Cleaver?! Enjoy your trip but keep your head on straight!!!

 Good advice and more importantly...thank you for taking the time to share your advice.

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