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Title: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 11:05:26 AM
Yes, I am in favor of selected breeding.  It will have to happen at some point in the future.  The sooner the better.


This brings back memories. During my dating everything FSU days, I dated a Ukrainian woman for awhile. I really liked her but she didn't want commitment. She had HUGE boobs that where shaped well. Not the sagging type most men don't like. On one date I let her choose where we should go. She chose a cemetery in in Seattle. It was a very nice and well kept cemetery. We walked around until we found a bench at a mausoleum. We sat, talked and made out. Then talked and made out over and over again.

Long story short, she had the same beliefs as you. She felt it the past, the weak would die and that is a natural process. Now everybody is living with the strong carrying the weak and it's weakening the gene pool and we are going to have a higher percentage of people with problems. There will come a time when the burden becomes too great for the able mind and body people to take care of those who can't or those who are lazy. In the old days, if you can't perform or are lazy, you don't eat.

I'm not sure when things come to a head but I don't think anytime soon. Soon we'll be able to buy robots with artificial intelligence for everyone on social programs.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
This brings back memories.

Is it just me or did Silly BillyB miss the point of ML's point in the most amusing fashion?

...and with FAR too much ( undesired )  info 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2018, 12:00:41 PM
msmob

can you imagine if there was some idiot prankster like me convincingly dressed in a zombie disguise at the cemetery when billyb was there with miss bolshiye siski?
and I snuck up behind him and started making aggressive zombie sounds
ohhh man,talk about "willy wavin"
he'd be running naked down the cemetery pathway with his little willy bouncing up and down faster than a drumstick wielded by a heavy metal drummer on crack

that would be really mean, and I've NEVER done anything like that :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 12, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
Trench,
human social behavior has its roots in biology
from an evolutionary perspective, strong males will allow for a more assured preservation of the human species.

if you’re not a strong male, nature intends for your genes NOT to be passed on for the sake of the whole species, this is just the way “things work”

you want your genes to be passed on? then BECOME a strong male
note: i’m not talkin about body building here!


I reject this.  It's a primitive level of an understanding of human nature.  Humans are far more complex than this. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: ML on August 12, 2018, 12:36:24 PM
Is it just me or did Silly BillyB miss the point of ML's point in the most amusing fashion? 

Actually, I think that the gal and he got my point, and even clarified my idea further.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
"I reject this.  It's a primitive level of an understanding of human nature.  Humans are far more complex than this. "

BO, I wouldn't reject it entirely
behavior has its roots in biology, sex and reproduction are biological
of course we're WAY more complex than birds, birds don't don't have that big prefrontal cortex
anthropology has a whole section about comparing and finding equivalent human behavior in animals
 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 12, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Behaviour absent spirituality does. I don’t expect most here to understand this, given what most men here post.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2018, 01:08:27 PM
"Behaviour absent spirituality does. I don’t expect most here to understand this"

count me among their number, but I'm listening....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
Behaviour absent spirituality does. I don’t expect most here to understand this, given what most men here post.

Even church girls prefer superior men. Men with better bodies, better brains, and better attitude are more attractive to women than those who are lacking. A guy can be the most spiritual creature in the world but if he's dumb and is dog ugly, he would have a hard time finding a woman that would open her legs for him for reproductive purposes. She might do it if he paid her but she's not going to want his genes passed onto her children.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2018, 01:31:14 PM
hey billyb

"growl....brains....must have brains....."

wait come back, it's only a joke...too late he just disappeared down the path
but wait, oh my, who do we have here....
hello! i'm here to apply for a position, do you have any openings???
 

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2018, 08:49:45 PM
msmob,

sorry to seem so obsessive over billyb's cemetery story
but in light of this story that he has kindly shared with us for our amusement
imagine the one's HE DOESN'T SHARE, BECAUSE THEY'D BE TOO WEIRD!!!!! 

for some reason, it reminds me of an equally bizarre encounter I had when I was serving in the army
the field camp I was at, had a large slit trench latrine, a large trench maybe 6-7 feet deep, maybe 4 feet wide, and maybe 12 feet long
a pre-fabricated outhouse with 4 toilette seats was just dropped on top, and there's your toilette, this'd be the height of luxury in Crimea today
so once early in the AM, I'm headed to the latrine and just as I approached the toilet seat, I saw a light come out of the set next to the one I was going to use
I was totally startled, and cautiously peered down the toilet seat, and that's when I saw a fellow soldier with a flashlight  kicking a pile of you know what and then rubbing it on his boot
I watched this for about 20 seconds, he was totally oblivious to my presence
then I cleared my throat, "ahem, whatcha doin down there man"?
soon as I said "ahem" the flashlight turned off
so I said it again
after a pause, he said, "I dropped my watch"
needless to say, I held it in....

Billy, you're a freak man, but that makes me like you a little...
too bad I wasn't more "chill" with your story, mighta been able to get you to provide a few more
but I guess the teasing will likely inhibit that and you'll turn off the flashlight now






 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 12, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
Even church girls prefer superior men. Men with better bodies, better brains, and better attitude are more attractive to women than those who are lacking.

And yet you succeeded anyway. Way to go Billy  :clapping:  maybe Trench has a chance after all.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 12, 2018, 09:10:38 PM
count me among their number, but I'm listening....

Sex and reproduction are biological, as you stated, but if the root of all sex, or reproduction, were as straightforward and base as you suggest, there would be no centuries of poetry and prose on love, or modern day love songs, let alone religious texts.  People wouldn't leave their partners for less "biologically desirable" partners.

I don't expect most here to understand this (as Billy's post proves).  It's like expecting the average 3 year old to perform advanced calculus.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 09:38:23 PM
3. get an architect job in a London firm, and work your butt off there


A guy goes to heavy equipment and driving school and passes. He hasn't driven a car or operated heavy equipment in 20 years. He then applies for a job as an operator at my company which may also include driving a service truck on the road. Should I hire him?

sorry to seem so obsessive over billyb's cemetery story
but in light of this story that he has kindly shared with us for our amusement
imagine the one's HE DOESN'T SHARE, BECAUSE THEY'D BE TOO WEIRD!!!!! 


Remember the beating you took on the forum after disclosing you had sex with lots of young FSU women? Years ago people were hating on me twice as much for disclosing my dating experiences and I didn't admit to having sex with any FSU women. I was being called child molester and criminal among many many other things. I did withhold certain experiences because some people would just explode. Funny thing is FSU women came to read my thread often and they were fine with me. I'm glad FSU women get to decide who they date instead of sensitive Western men here.

And yet you succeeded anyway. Way to go Billy  :clapping:  maybe Trench has a chance after all.

Succeeding is fun. Try it sometime.

I don't expect most here to understand this (as Billy's post proves).  It's like expecting the average 3 year old to perform advanced calculus.


I don't expect most people to understand how I think. If they did, they may have more success and fun in their life. I didn't perform calculus when I was 3 but after taking a test in high school and finishing high in the top 1% in the nation, the military wrote my parents a letter telling them they want me in their nuke program as an officer.



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 12, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
Oh, I understood, and understand, how you think.  It's pretty primitive.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 12, 2018, 09:58:50 PM
I didn't perform calculus when I was 3 but after taking a test in high school and finishing high in the top 1% in the nation, the military wrote my parents a letter telling them they want me in their nuke program as an officer.

This is either straight up BS or there are A LOT of details missing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 10:07:50 PM
This is either straight up BS or there are A LOT of details missing.

True story bro. I was 15 when I took the ASVAB test. Military wrote my parents the letter since I was too young to approach. Some questions in it that aren't taught in school. Speed test section involved easy questions to see how fast your brain processes things. It had 60 questions that had to be answered in 2 minutes. I finished in 1 minute. Thing is that kind of brain power won't help you with women.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 12, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
True story bro. I was 15 when I took the ASVAB test. Military wrote my parents the letter since I was too young to approach. Some questions in it that aren't taught in school. Speed test section involved easy questions to see how fast your brain processes things. It had 60 questions that had to be answered in 2 minutes. I finished in 1 minute. Thing is that kind of brain power won't help you with women.

There is a light year of distance between doing well on the ASVAB, scoring in the top 1% and the military wanting you to be an officer in a nuke related field. It just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 10:19:32 PM
True story bro. I was 15 when I took the ASVAB test. Military wrote my parents the letter since I was too young to approach. Some questions in it that aren't taught in school. Speed test section involved easy questions to see how fast your brain processes things. It had 60 questions that had to be answered in 2 minutes. I finished in 1 minute. Thing is that kind of brain power won't help you with women.

Sorry to doubt you Silly BillyB, but your writing abilities suggest there's either been an accident which has greatly reduced your brains capacity ...or you're just full of it ...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 10:38:41 PM
There is a light year of distance between doing well on the ASVAB, scoring in the top 1% and the military wanting you to be an officer in a nuke related field.

People who can figure things out without being taught are highly desirable. Once took an engine and transmission out of one car and put it in my car. Never been to mechanic school. YouTube wasn't available back then. Took up the hobby of building computers. Taught a few people how to do it and now I've got a business manufacturing and selling computers. Turning screws and connecting wires is the easy part. Building a computer that meets people's needs but without overbuilding it to keep the price low enough to be desirable is the hard part.

What I tell you guys here is something I don't tell women on dates. They will discover me over time. Sometimes I'll go to their homes and fix the plumbing, electrical, or something else in their home. I don't just patch things up. I have an understanding of the products, their abilities and their limits to fix things properly. Never went to school for that stuff but if a someone can do it, I know I can too. After helping ladies out, they sometimes say "It's nice to have a man in the house." So guys, be a handyman and the ladies will love you long time.

Sorry to doubt you Silly BillyB, but your writing abilities suggest there's either been an accident which has greatly reduced your brains capacity ...or you're just full of it ...


Einstein didn't know how to comb his hair. That's a good reason to doubt his abilities as an expert in physics.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 10:46:05 PM


Einstein didn't know how to comb his hair. That's a good reason to doubt his abilities as an expert in physics.

Telly-tubbie " No-oh!" to our Silly BillyB ...

Many ultra-intelligent people are on the spectrum and Einstein was no exception

Those who profess to have known him suggest he was Bohemian and his personal appearance was not important


http://www.therakyatpost.com/columnists/2014/07/08/outward-appearance-meant-nothing-einstein/ (http://www.therakyatpost.com/columnists/2014/07/08/outward-appearance-meant-nothing-einstein/)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 10:51:40 PM
Those who profess to have known him suggest he was Bohemian and his personal appearance was not important


Those who know me know grammar isn't important. Besides, I'm an expert in Bad English which means everything I write is perfect.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: JayH on August 12, 2018, 10:53:48 PM
This is either straight up BS or there are A LOT of details missing.

Given silly Billy's postings show so often that he shares the genius status with DJT along with the 'winning" ways it is hard to believe anyone could think he is full on BS!!

Now-- some of us think TC is full of sh..t --  now silly has taken his ridiculous bragging BS to  a new level ! 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 11:01:50 PM
Those who know me know grammar isn't important. Besides, I'm an expert in Bad English which means everything I write is perfect.

So, you wish to duck your failed assessment of Einstein by suggesting your written 'English' suggests genius level Mathematics abilities ?


'Sorry', BillyB - but I have the honour to work with such folk and they are so careful what they write - you don't fit my experience of such people ...     
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 11:08:37 PM
you don't fit my experience of such people ...   

If I agreed with you on everything, I'd fit your definition of a very smart person. I'll stick to being your definition of dumb.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 12, 2018, 11:09:58 PM
Perhaps the last page or two of posts could be hived off to a new thread to discuss Billy’s Einstein like abilities at leisure?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 11:15:50 PM
Sure, we don't want to dilute Trench's stupidity with someone else's :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 12, 2018, 11:19:33 PM
Sure, we don't want to dilute Trench's stupidity with someone else's :)
Indeed, the richness of TC’s offerings must be observed in their entirety.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 11:20:48 PM
If I agreed with you on everything, I'd fit your definition of a very smart person. I'll stick to being your definition of dumb.

I think you post stupid things and KNOW you are nowhere near being a genius at Maths ... but you can't be THAT dumb if you manage to run a biz or get someone to run it for you ....

You ARE the definition of a guy who doesn't know when he's beaten and wrong ....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 11:22:32 PM
Trench bashing over and over and over and over again is more appropriate, mature, and on topic. Doesn't need to be moved to the garbage pile.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Trench bashing over and over and over and over again is more appropriate, mature, and on topic. Doesn't need to be moved to the garbage pile.

Are you 'jealous', BillyB ? ;)

If the board wasn't called RWD and not daft things 'BillyB writes' - you would assuredly have a thread all of your own :


Edited to add


Oh wait a min...

There's that 'willy waving' thread ..
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 12, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
Trench bashing over and over and over and over again is more appropriate, mature, and on topic. Doesn't need to be moved to the garbage pile.
Trench bashing...... :-\
More like the re education of Trench.
Regarding your posts, they come across as, Mine is bigger than yours, more appropriate for kindergarten.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 12, 2018, 11:43:43 PM
Regarding your posts, they come across as, Mine is bigger than yours, more appropriate for kindergarten.


Well if yours isn't big enough and you're jealous, do something about it. Make something out of yourself.

Regarding your posts, the overwhelming majority are quoting Trench and insulting him, more appropriate for kindergarten.

Some people here are obsessed with Trench and follow him around. Strange behavior. Do what most normal people do. Give him advice and move along.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 12, 2018, 11:54:35 PM
Hence the 'willy waving' title ?;)

Awaiting Billy's responses to JG to end up here - before wondering what BillyB doesn't categorise as 'strange' given the places he tells us he's had fumblings  :D

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 12, 2018, 11:55:46 PM
Well if yours isn't big enough and you're jealous, do something about it. Make something out of yourself.

Regarding your posts, the overwhelming majority are quoting Trench and insulting him, more appropriate for kindergarten.

Some people here are obsessed with Trench and follow him around. Strange behavior. Do what most normal people do. Give him advice and move along.
How you choose to interpret posts is entirely up to you. Carry on.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 12, 2018, 11:57:43 PM
Hence the 'willy waving' title ?;)
Yes, quite. Persons with an inferiority complex concerning that part of their anatomy do tend to project.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 04:54:49 AM
confucius say, "man who has sex problem, will often have solution in hand"
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
billy....billy....

why is it when someone begins a sentence with, "true story bro", that whatever follows will have "no collusion" tacked on the end
i'm not sure of your age, so depending on that maybe things are different from my experience, but:

never heard ANYONE call it "ASVAB" but always "AFQT", back me up fellow vets
who would give the test to a 15 yr old?  the test was ONLY available at the induction center, wasn't even available at the "recruiter"
but I'm sure there was "No Collusion"

I dig, why people reacted to what I wrote, I am VERY protective of youngsters both male and female
without context, which is impossible to convey here, I would have reacted the same way to what I wrote
both US and Canada are based on Anglo Saxon culture, which has a large amount of puritanical religious values (Soviet thinking is even worse)
sex is dirty, unclean, debasing...
I COMPLETELY reject that, I am a libertine
if BOG didn't mean for us to enjoy our sensuality, then why was it given to us?



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Bee Farmer on August 13, 2018, 07:05:38 AM
Quote
never heard ANYONE call it "ASVAB" but always "AFQT", back me up fellow vets
who would give the test to a 15 yr old?  the test was ONLY available at the induction center, wasn't even available at the "recruiter"

The ASVAB is a 10 section test.  The AFQT just looks at 4 of the 10 sections.
I always heard it called the ASVAB.

When I was in high school, recruiters would come to the high school and give the ASVAB to 9th-12th graders.  That's 15-18 year olds.  You got to skip stupid classes if you took the test, so I took the test.

The recruiters told me that there was no job in the military that I was not mentally able to do.  (Maybe that was a dig at a skinny kid.)  Contacting parents about getting a kid as a nuclear officer seems suspect.  The recruiters did suggest that I should think about military intelligence, but they never contacted my parents.  I took the test as a freshman in high school, so I would have been 15 also.  Most guys waited until their senior year to take the ASVAB.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 07:37:07 AM
dunno beefarmer

billy's description of  "It had 60 questions that had to be answered in 2 minutes. I finished in 1 minute."
bears no similarity to the ASVAB test I took back in the 70's AT ALL, so color me skeptical, he could answer 1 question per second, really?
I'm sure it's undergone many changes since then
when I was in the MILITARY the ASVAB test was ALWAYS REFERRED to as the AFQT, because the military only cared about the AFQT score derived from this test
hence within the military it was always called the AFQT test
but you would not know this, cuz you weren't a vet
and beefarmer, was asking vets, are you a vet? I know you wanna get in your little "dig" against me
and as usual failed...

and BTW billy, not a test to brag about, it was incredibly simple, there's a reason why military manuals are sometimes published in comic book format
the test was on the level



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 08:14:49 AM
“There is a light year of distance between doing well on the ASVAB, scoring in the top 1% and the military wanting you to be an officer in a nuke related field. It just doesn't add up”

on the electronics section, I scored a perfect score 100% correct score, but gimme a break, here’s the schematic symbol of a transistor, which lead is the emitter, here are some electronic symbols, which one is a resistor, could do this in my sleep, after the test, testing officer comes over and is looking me up and down to figure out how I cheated, so I reached into my wallet and withdrew my Novice Class Ham Radio License, and then he left me alone
however, shortly after that, a very jovial NCO came out and said, “hey let’s go over to my office and have a chat"  and he introduced me to the “Army Security Agency", and that’s all I can ACTUALLY say about that.  today, my best friend in Russia had the exact same position in the GRU that I had in the ASA at exactly the same time, I guess our friendship was predestined

SAT and Stanford-Binet are WAY more difficult, this is the simplest aptitude/intelligence test i’ve ever taken in my life, it’s not MEANT to be difficult

when I took the test, the US military was changing from a mixed conscription/volunteer to all volunteer force, so I can see if there were changes, either in the test itself or its availability, now I see it’s even on-line, back in my day there wasn’t this universal access, this change surprised me, sorry for my old fogey info....


billy, me thinks you're fond of telling stories, normally I wouldn't appreciate it, but your cemetery story redeems you, cuz I think that story ACTUALLY happened
please sir, could I have another

 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 09:28:11 AM
“Sex and reproduction are biological, as you stated, but if the root of all sex, or reproduction, were as straightforward and base as you suggest, there would be no centuries of poetry and prose on love, or modern day love songs, let alone religious texts.  People wouldn't leave their partners for less "biologically desirable" partners.



BO reproductive biology is not “base”, it’s actually quite elegant
if you’ll pardon me for saying so, I think your attitude is based on the Judeo-Christian belief that anything that comes from the body is impure and dirty

our form of “romantic love” has its origins in the “age of chivalry”, singing troubadours and the like, going back further in time to the Roman period, and you have QUITE a different popular view of sex

so romance and its expression is a relatively newer western cultural phenomena

also, many animals do “pair-bonding”, I’ve seen geese do this myself
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 13, 2018, 10:15:43 AM
Reproduction requires no special intellectual or even physical skill.  That is what I mean.  It has zero to do with religion, and you are completely mistaken in attributing to me attitudes I do not hold.

You are also mistaken in your views on the timeline of romantic love.  Ever heard of Eros?  Or the myth of Eros and Psyche? 

Plato wrote about romantic love.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 11:13:43 AM
“Reproduction requires no special intellectual or even physical skill. “

nor does hammering a nail into a piece of wood, anyone can do it, however there are master carpenters and wood working artists, if you get my analogy, but that’s somewhat extraneous to the discussion



“Plato wrote about romantic love”

I assume you’re referencing “The Symposium” have you ever seen the contemporary depiction of that lofty event

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Symposiumnorthwall.jpg


“Pausanias, the legal expert of the group, introduces a distinction between a nobler and a baser kind of love, which anticipates Socrates' discourse. The base lover is in search of sexual gratification, and his objects are women and boys. He is inspired by Aphrodite Pandemos (Aphrodite common to the whole city). The noble lover directs his affection towards young men, establishing lifelong relationships, productive of the benefits described by Phaedrus. This love is related to Aphrodite Urania (Heavenly Aphrodite), and is based on honoring one's partner’s intelligence and wisdom.

yeahhhh, well I don’t know about that...

when you mention Eros, I am assuming you are referencing the deity, what the Romans would later call Cupid, the original definition would be closer to our definition of “lust” and not love

Éros (ἔρως érōs) means "love, mostly of the sexual passion. The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love". Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction". In the Symposium, the most famous ancient work on the subject, Plato has Socrates argue that eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth, the ideal "Form" of youthful beauty that leads us humans to feel erotic desire – thus suggesting that even that sensually based love aspires to the non-corporeal, spiritual plane of existence; that is, finding its truth, just like finding any truth, leads to transcendence.[7] Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth through the means of eros.

I get this COMPLETELY BO, it is EXACTLY my experience
and don’t see how my views contradict this

it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself.

the ideal "Form" of youthful beauty that leads us humans to feel erotic desire – thus suggesting that even that sensually based love aspires to the non-corporeal, spiritual plane of existence

these are exactly my experiences

this is such a broad subject with so much intimate detail, I could never do it justice, and especially on RWD, I hope the few meager bits I provided here are sufficient to show you MY beliefs based on MY experience

without biology we would never "be led" to feel erotic desire the stepping stone to an appreciation of beauty


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 13, 2018, 02:36:55 PM
No, based on what you've posted, I don't think you get it. 

What Plato refers to (which is in many works) is a love that is immortal.  It rises above physical attraction.

Biology merely gives us the drive to mate.  But it can be overcome, or suppressed (choose your verb), as ascetics prove.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 03:31:10 PM
Krimster Contra Boethius

“is a love that is immortal”

the language of philosophy is so darned hard for me to interpret, the word “immortal” in this context, makes no sense to me

transcendent might be a better word, certainly one I understand in this context, and fits in within what I think Plato was saying

Plato felt that the ideal "Form" of youthful beauty leads us to feel erotic desire
Erotic desire to me is based on an intrinsic desire that is hardwired in us, and relates to reproductive biology, otherwise a beautiful computer or work of art that is reflective of something other than the ideal human form would lead to a state of arousal, it doesn’t for me

I think what Plato was saying is that there is a hierarchy of experiencing love, at the lowest level it’s basically “lust” or sexual passion, and the next level is appreciation of the beauty within that person, and at the next level after that, becomes appreciation of beauty itself, I think what Rousseau described as “being in love with love”

this is to me a fair description of my own experience of love
and to some degree I think this is a universal human experience, which can express itself infinitely, so it never looks the same to an observer

ok, this is as clearly as I can describe my own theory of love which closely parallels Plato’s (I think)
so please provide your critique of it, AND add your own definition, but please make it simple, and not use ambiguous language, and let’s see where we differ
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BdHvA on August 13, 2018, 06:24:25 PM
If anyone wishes to understand the differences of the types of love. I would suggest 'The Four Loves' of C. S. Lewis.

Written from a Christian apologist stand point it is simple and a clear explanation with basic definitions. Few theologians or secular people dispute the explanations.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 07:44:17 PM
"Few theologians or secular people dispute the explanations."

count me then, among the few...
I love God every bit as much as I love the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny
but my kids loved "Narnia"


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: SteveInBoston on August 13, 2018, 08:40:53 PM
There is a light year of distance between doing well on the ASVAB, scoring in the top 1% and the military wanting you to be an officer in a nuke related field. It just doesn't add up.

Nothing really unusual about that.  In the 80's and 90's the Navy looked for top academic students in high schools to join their Navy Nuclear School program.  It is a full scholarship to university on the Navy's dime and in-turn you had to promise minimum service (6 years?) as a nuclear officer in submarines and possibly aircraft carriers.  During university you had to join ROTC.

After university you are sent to navy nuclear school, submarine school and officer candidacy school.  You have to pass those classes and then start your service.  I had a college buddy who dropped out at the nuclear school stage - he was a new husband and father and couldn't handle the class with the added stress at home.  He was on the hook of re-paying the navy for the scholarship, but I think they forgave the loan after 2 or 3 years of repayment.

I qualified for the program but decided against it.  I took a different scholarship which payed 1/2 my university costs but had no follow-up commitments. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 13, 2018, 09:41:31 PM
“I didn't perform calculus when I was 3 but after taking a test in high school and finishing high in the top 1% in the nation, the military wrote my parents a letter telling them they want me in their nuke program as an officer.”

“True story bro. I was 15 when I took the ASVAB test. Military wrote my parents the letter since I was too young to approach.”





Billy, I was 17 yr old when I walked into the recruiters office
they were loath to contact my parents, I needed parental permission to join the Army because of my age, so they handed ME the form to present to my parents to sign (that was a lively event!).

recruiters are savvy business people, they get promotions/bonuses based on filling their quota of canon fodder, they know from their own experience with angry parents, that not all parents approve of child soldiers, especially when it’s their own children... 
their business relies upon discretion...





“I did withhold certain experiences because some people would just explode”



yeah, I saw that in you, at first I thought it was amusing, but the laughter is beginning to slip away now...

deep down inside, I think you are a very sad and lonely man
if this board helps you, then fine, I don’t have the right to take it away from you, or the desire to
but I see who you are BillyB, and YOU know what I’m talking about

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 13, 2018, 11:03:18 PM
Nothing really unusual about that.   

But there is. The level of math tested on the ASVAB and the level of math needed to work in nuclear science are very different. The process for becoming an enlisted "nuke" and an officer are very dissimilar in the navy.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=79643

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 13, 2018, 11:17:06 PM
Nothing really unusual about that.  In the 80's and 90's the Navy looked for top academic students in high schools to join their Navy Nuclear School program.  It is a full scholarship to university on the Navy's dime and in-turn you had to promise minimum service (6 years?) as a nuclear officer in submarines and possibly aircraft carriers.  During university you had to join ROTC.


Steve, you're absolutely right but it's best people don't believe me. They feel better that way especially when they debate a person who they believe makes up stories.

Most people who get educated with a background related to nuclear tend to work for a lot more money in the private sector instead of joining the military. With that knowledge, the  military anticipates it will have a shortage of people running their nuclear reactors on subs and carriers. They want to grab kids who stand out early. They also know many will grow up and change their mind and drop out of the program.

Here's another fact that will blow people's minds. The military has ways of motivating people to join. They can motivate a highly desirable recruit to join by making him/her a 4 star General or Admiral on their first day of service.

recruiters are savvy business people, they get promotions/bonuses based on filling their quota of canon fodder, they know from their own experience with angry parents, that not all parents approve of child soldiers, especially when it’s their own children... 
their business relies upon discretion...


Savvy? The military doesn't think so. Let's not make up stories. If it's bad for my reputation, it's bad for yours. When going after highly desirable people, people over the recruiters heads get involved.

But there is. The level of math tested on the ASVAB and the level of math needed to work in nuclear science are very different.


Nobody expect a 15 yo kid to be an expert in anything nuclear. The ASVAB is designed so nobody can get 100%. There are questions on it that aren't taught but if a kid can figure most or all of them out, he has potential to figure most anything out. Idiots didn't design the ASVAB. They designed it to help identify certain people they can use in critical positions in the military.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 14, 2018, 12:19:45 AM
Nobody expect a 15 yo kid to be an expert in anything nuclear. The ASVAB is designed so nobody can get 100%. There are questions on it that aren't taught but if a kid can figure most or all of them out, he has potential to figure most anything out. Idiots didn't design the ASVAB. They designed it to help identify certain people they can use in critical positions in the military.

First, the ASVAB taken at age 15 wouldn't even count for enlistment in the military because you were too young. You would have had to retake it when you were older.

Second, for the military to consider you officer material they would have to look at your GPA, SAT/ACT scores, physical fitness, moral character, etc.

Third, the ASVAB was designed to see if a candidate even qualifies for the military and which particular jobs they have the ability to be trained in. They didn't design it to identify certain people they can use in critical positions.

Quote
I didn't perform calculus when I was 3 but after taking a test in high school and finishing high in the top 1% in the nation, the military wrote my parents a letter telling them they want me in their nuke program as an officer.

Unless you can produce this letter, I'm still calling it BS. You are not officer material.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 14, 2018, 02:53:24 AM
Reading Silly BillyB's fantasies reminds me that I actually WAS considered Naval Officer material....Royal Navy.

My life could have been so different but I decided to take a sales job on the same salary, plus a car.

To be fair to BillyB I could not produce my letter requesting my presence at Dartmouth, but unless you BdHvA you probably take my word for it)))....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 05:33:33 AM
“Steve, you're absolutely right but it's best people don't believe me. They feel better that way especially when they debate a person who they believe makes up stories.”


Billy...Billy...Billy...

does thou also readeth what thou writeth?

the cemetery story was charming, PLEASE stick to stories like that....

but these attempts at self-aggrandizing fables backfire because they are SO clumsy and transparent and composed with a TOTAL lack of knowledge of the subject
and THIS tells us who you REALLY are....

NOW do you understand?

and I’ve SEEN THIS SO MANY TIMES with you, but never called you on it until now

hopefully, I’ve made my point, and there’s no need for me to go on any further over this, or is there?

Steve, please stop handing him rope, he absolutely will hang himself, and it’s NOT pretty to watch, sorry...



msmob

i'm sure you would have looked QUITE dashing in a RN uniform
but you shouldn't have any regrets
to this day, the happiest day of my life EVER
was the first morning when I awoke after I was discharged from the Army
sunlight through the window!  I'm late for reveille!
then the realization I'm no longer in the army
that feeling was 10 times better than sex
in my extended family in the USA, about 50% men served - almost 100% in WWII
in the UK I had one relative in the "territorials" and he didn't stay long
you guys are lucky

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 14, 2018, 06:33:44 AM
I have no regrets, given I would almost certainly seen action in the Falklands. ..

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 07:01:25 AM
and on the HMS Sheffield no doubt, tough way to earn a cup of rum
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 14, 2018, 07:51:05 AM
That or the Ardent, Antelope, Arctic Conveyor, Coventry, Sir Galahad ...((

http://historylists.org/other/list-of-6-british-ships-sunk-during-the-falklands-war.html (http://historylists.org/other/list-of-6-british-ships-sunk-during-the-falklands-war.html)

STUPID war ... Mrs T's govt sent the wrong signal to the Argentine Junta - who thought Britain wouldn't have the wherewithal to re-take the islands ...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 08:30:04 AM
agreed, so many wars are based on simple miscalculation

the tragedy of war has visited many homes in the UK
in my grandfather's attic found many items
letter of condolence from a sister in a field hospital in France, telling of his brother's death
and a death penny (didn't even know what it was when I found it)
my father lost two toes in France and walked with a slight limp
I was lucky, came out of the service intact mentally and physically
however, the worst most frightening nightmare I've ever experienced
was one in which I found myself drafted back into service
I awoke in a state of absolute terror
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: ML on August 14, 2018, 08:46:07 AM
I have a funny military story also.

I joined Navy as 17 year old enlisted man with 10th grade education (got all my university degrees after the Navy).

In boot camp (basic training) in San Diego we took a lot of exams to see what intelligence and skills we had.  I did pretty good on most of them except for sonar because I can't hear perfectly.

My name showed up on list to attend meeting for potential Navy pilot training.
Yes, I know they are officers and I wasn't, but I presume there would be some sort of college included; or I think enlisted can be helicopter pilots.  Not sure of any of this.

Anyway, by coincidence my glasses were broken so I didn't wear them at first meeting.
And, as a very naive 17 year old, I didn't even really think about fact that not having 20/20 vision would probably disqualify me.

Then a second meeting was called and I attended wearing my new glasses.

The guy in charge looked at me and said:  "WTF are you doing here . . . do you need to wear glasses?"

I said:  "Yes"

He said:  "Get the fock out of here."

Don't know why they didn't see my 'glasses needed' entry in my record and correlate that with their potential pilot list; but sheeeet happens.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 09:05:41 AM
so typical of the military, one only hopes it's even worse for potential enemies
doing basic in san diego would've been my choice even in summer, best weather
I did my basic training in Fort Dix New Jersey beginning in July, yikes!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 14, 2018, 09:46:46 AM
fables backfire because they are SO clumsy and transparent and composed with a TOTAL lack of knowledge of the subject
and THIS tells us who you REALLY are....

Steve, please stop handing him rope, he absolutely will hang himself, and it’s NOT pretty to watch, sorry...


Steve provided the rope, go ahead and hang me since you can easily poke holes in the story. It will be interesting to hear those in the "know" telling us how it works.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 10:32:29 AM
billy,
i'm sorry, not my intention to HURT you
but to tell you what I and many others have seen in you here
I can't help but imagine that you do this in person as well
so it might be to your benefit, to ask yourself
(even if you disagree with the specifics)
why others have come to develop this perception of you
criticism can be either constructive or destructive
I have given you criticism, whether it's constructive or not is up to you
and I'm gonna head ya off at the pass to where I think you'll go next
I am one of the most deeply flawed human beings you could ever imagine
if you saw me when I was a teen, you would've laughed at me like EVERYONE else did
but I changed myself, it was HARD and and I had a LOT of help
i am in some ways what's known as an "idiot savant"
I can take no credit for the savant part, it's just a part of my brain that makes pictures in my head
and I have a picture of you billy...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 14, 2018, 11:12:31 AM
not my intention to HURT you


Seriously, please hurt me.  I find it entertaining when people try to prove something that is real isn't real.

For years I put up people here spread rumors that I'm not married to my wife. I truly understand how tabloid magazines and journalism sells. "How can a hot woman love BillyB, and not a guy like me?" some men asked themselves. Can't be true so they spoke out as if they knew the truth about my marriage. I allowed the rumors to continue and one day I decided to hang those posters. I offered them to put a few thousand dollars in escrow to a trusted member here and they are allowed to go to the city I live in with me and check to see if a my marriage certificate is on file. Money goes to the winner. Offer still available if somebody is interested. Some posters left the forum humilated. If they're going great lengths to spread rumors for years, they better be able to put money where their mouth is.

others have come to develop this perception of you


This is the internet. How is what other people think going to affect my life? Did you worry about how people perceived you when you talked about your dating experiences in the FSU? People can either take some info from your story and apply it in their life for success or get mad your rules to dating doesn't match their rules.

I am going to get people to perceive me in a negative light..... again. I'm going to piss people off which may violate terms of service by announcing I will vote for Trump in the next presidential election. Begin the hate and the rumors.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 12:24:33 PM
“Seriously, please hurt me”



ummm sorry, I'm not into “that”
unless you call me scaring you in the cemetery “hurting you”, I’d TOTALLY do that!

“I will vote for Trump in the next presidential election.”

how? write-in ballot?, but then you’ll just be throwing your vote away, depriving it from whomever the Republican party candidate will be in 2020, it WON’T be Trump!!!

Billy fine, be in denial, I won’t activate my time machine and go back in time to when you were 15 and record the events and play it here

but I KNOW, and you KNOW I KNOW
and that’s good enough for me
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 14, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
Some posters left the forum humilated. If they're going great lengths to spread rumors for years, they better be able to put money where their mouth is.


Nobody left the forum because of you or their perceptions of you.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 14, 2018, 03:34:05 PM
Nobody left the forum because of you or their perceptions of you.


Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. You're entitled to yours. Ade and Goodoldboy were a couple of guys that faded away when they couldn't make up anymore stories on me. Negative perceptions did affect those two guys. Doesn't bother me. I'm feel good about myself. That's all that matters. I can imagine the rumors they spread in real life at work and among friends.

I know what you guys were doing. Lots of private message talk full of drama talking behind my back. Every once in awhile I read a new poster blurt out in anger calling me a child molester. It's so nice you guys do your community service educating the newbies who's good and who's bad. You just keep making my time pleasant here.

Even you were making up stories. Underestimating the age of my wife and overestimating my age. Made the age gap wider to increase shock value to new readers when you spoke about it. At one time people predicted I was 50 yo when I met a 14yo girl which later became my wife. I was being called a criminal by new posters who haven't read all my posts because they trusted you for facts. Why would anybody lie to them? After I got married the rumor then turned to I wasn't married and made it all up. You guys made up fake news. I understand why you like it so much when the media does it. I know how Trump feels.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one."

quite the philosopher aren't you Billie, was that quote from Nietzsche or Hume?
also you play the victim well...
I wasn't involved in that AT ALL
but totally get what MAY HAVE TRIGGERED PEOPLE
and you do to..

conflating yourself with Donald Trump
is that what you see when you look in the mirror?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 14, 2018, 03:48:04 PM
also you play the victim well...


The rumor is I'm the aggressor. I told people I dated my wife and got married to her and it's my fault people went into a rage, spread rumors and went on the attack.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 14, 2018, 03:48:27 PM
Ade left because he has a daughter and didn't have the time, nor the desire, to post.


GOB left because of Dan.


I used the age you posted here as the age when you contacted your wife.  So if it is inaccurate, that's all based on you.  I used your age based on what you posted.  Based on what you posted,  your wife is now about 26, and you are around 48.


Yes, I am certain every PM here is about you.  Because it's always all about you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 03:52:04 PM
billy would appreciate that whatever anger you have please don't direct it at BO
bring it on over here with me
"i'm your huckleberry", if that's really what you want
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 14, 2018, 04:02:19 PM
Ade left because he has a daughter and didn't have the time, nor the desire, to post.


GOB left because of Dan.


For some silly reason they had plenty of time to spend on the forum telling everyone I wasn't married and committed a crime. When the party was over, other reasons to leave popped up. That was convenient. I guess I don't get credit for proving they were dumb asses. I actually believe Dan may have pushed out GOB. I can't see Dan approving GOB's behavior which included lifting my photos off this forum.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 04:10:42 PM
billy, over here billy!!
was there "something" that triggered this response from these people
some kind of stimuli, picture, or something?

because if there was
you were "hoisted by your own petard" (gotta love Shakespeare)

dunno what you were thinking, really...
just like ML gave me the advice of not posting the pictures of my daughters
i'd have told you NOT to post photos like that, because the response was easily predictable

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 14, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
BillyB-

It's too late now, but in hindsight, maybe you should've done what I did. Introduced your engagement to the world and had Tyra Banks interview you on TV along with a board member and a couple of agency owners with their wives (AFA/Face Of Siberia).

Then if that wasn't enough, I invited one or two board members to my wedding. Thus, no one doubted my marriage with the gal I posted about on my T/R.

 :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 14, 2018, 04:19:18 PM
Neither GOB nor Ade doubted the marriage occurred. GOB considered Billy a pedophile rather than unmarried. Ade was just trolling Billy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 14, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
I can't speak for GOB or Ade, nor would I want to. But I, too, doubted his marriage to his wife before for the simple reason just prior to his 'marriage', he was deep into researching legalities of J1 Visas, etc..

IIRC, and BillyB can correct me where I'm wrong, there were two other young women he was either working with, or talking to about the matter here on this board. It should still be on this board somewhere (maybe RWG). Then all of the sudden, they're gone and out comes his gal. So yes, that's pure speculation on my part.

To fuel that speculation, his wedding pictures and post-wedding pictures, with his wife showed the obvious absence of a wedding ring. BillyB knows what I'm talking about here. That certainly didn't help his cause.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: ML on August 14, 2018, 04:46:34 PM
I have seen Billy and his wife's marriage license in the public records.
No doubt in my mind.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 14, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
I have seen Billy and his wife's marriage license in the public records.
No doubt in my mind.


There you go. That should put that baby to sleep.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 05:05:41 PM
I was NOT someone who was on the forefront of this controversy
nevertheless, from what I gather, the triggering stimuli
did NOT involve the presence or absence of a marriage license
but something else altogether

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 08:30:39 PM
I dunno why EVERYBODY was so upset about billyb and his wife
unless I am missing something
I decided to go back and look at photos of billyb and his wife on this site
since I myself have only heard about this "second hand"
I didn't see anything inappropriate
we're talking about Natalia with blond hair from Tashkent?
they were married in 2006?

what's the big deal?

what am I not seeing?



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 14, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
I was NOT someone who was on the forefront of this controversynevertheless, from what I gather, the triggering stimulidid NOT involve the presence or absence of a marriage licensebut something else altogether

Yes. It was that he communicated with an underaged teen. That’s by his admission, no one else’s.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2018, 09:56:26 PM
sorry BO, but is the underage teen his wife, Natalia from Tashkent, she looked OVER 18 to me, I didn't see/hear anything about an underage teen, but he has 1000s of posts
so I don't want to read them all, it would be incredibly tedious
however, if it's someone's assumption or interpretation about this
without any factual basis (and a confession would be a factual basis, as long as not some kind of joke)
then I think everyone owes him a BIG apology
I mean that accusation is a serious one, I won't participate in the accusation, if it's just hearsay


how 'bout it Billy, DID you do that?
yes or no...
and don't lie that will just make it worse






Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 15, 2018, 06:29:48 AM


billy, over here billy!!
was there "something" that triggered this response from these people
some kind of stimuli, picture, or something?


Serious question so please help me understand. When somebody lies about another, troll for years, vandalize, roll police cars over, break windows and loot, why do liberals blame their bad behavior on others instead of the violators?

we're talking about Natalia with blond hair from Tashkent?
they were married in 2006?


Natalia was my ex fiancée. She failed the medical test over minor reason so I had to apply for a waiver to get the K-1 approved. After it was approved, she couldn't make the move right away since she had a strong bond with her family. I waited for some time but then started dating again. When she was ready to make the move to America, I was already gone too far in the other direction as my boat had sailed and didn't want to get married to her anymore. She was a good looking high quality woman with a big heart but I found another.

I dunno why EVERYBODY was so upset about billyb and his wife
unless I am missing something


Everybody wasn't upset. A few people made the most noise but most people here weren't upset. I wasn't upset. My wife wasn't upset. My MIL wasn't upset. My family wasn't upset. The American government wasn't upset. If they thought a crime happened, does anyone believe they'd let my wife come here and marry me?

ML and GQ were there years ago and you can see based on how they post, they weren't traumatized by what they read. FSU women were fine with what I wrote and how I lived my life. Only a handful of people from Western culture were very upset. How is it my doing? Below is the most read FSU relationship themed thread anywhere on the internet. Most people were thrilled to read it. Some wanted to hang me. Will you love me or hate me?

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0

I can't speak for GOB or Ade, nor would I want to. But I, too, doubted his marriage to his wife before for the simple reason just prior to his 'marriage', he was deep into researching legalities of J1 Visas, etc..


Big difference between simply doubting somebody and going on a crusade against them for years selling everybody your brand of truth on the person you doubt.

IIRC, and BillyB can correct me where I'm wrong, there were two other young women he was either working with, or talking to about the matter here on this board. It should still be on this board somewhere (maybe RWG). Then all of the sudden, they're gone and out comes his gal. So yes, that's pure speculation on my part.


We talked about the work/travel visas pertaining to those girls. While dating FSU women at home, I communicated with many abroad keeping my options open. Two college girls from Russia that were friends decided to stay with me while on their work/travel visas. I was communicating with my wife at the same time those girls were scheduled to live with me. If things worked out between me and one or both of them, I wouldn't have made a decision to visit my wife. She was living in Libya at the time and invited me to meet her in Ukraine soon while she's on vacation. The two college girls stopped in NY to visit friends before coming to Seattle. Their friends convinced them to stay and work in NY. They cancelled and I made the easy decision to fly to Ukraine.

To fuel that speculation, his wedding pictures and post-wedding pictures, with his wife showed the obvious absence of a wedding ring. BillyB knows what I'm talking about here. That certainly didn't help his cause.

I've never worn a ring in my two marriages and my wife rarely wears hers. I've always had photos of her with a ring but never posted them for the same reason I never posted a marriage certificate. The haters will just accuse me of photoshopping. Now that the drama is over, I posted some photos with my wife wearing a ring in a thread in the marriage forum.

I have seen Billy and his wife's marriage license in the public records.
No doubt in my mind.

Easy to get info that's available to the public but I suspect some people enjoyed what they were doing instead of looking for truth.


Ade was just trolling Billy.


Is that what he told you? .I read the part in the TOS that said trolling is a violation except when it comes to doing it to BillyB. No wonder it lasted for years. I deserved it and had it coming to me.

There were so many lies and rumors going around it was a waste of my time addressing them all so I didn't. Here's another lie below.

I used the age you posted here as the age when you contacted your wife.  So if it is inaccurate, that's all based on you.


You don't remember apologizing to me in 2015 for mentioning the wrong age FIVE years after I first posted my and my wife's age when we met and first made contact? Selective memory at work because you believe you never lie. Funny thing is when you and others mention my and my wife's age in a post, you always err on the high side for me and low side for her. The intentional shock value by implying a huge age gap increases the chances other readers who haven't read my thread hating on me.

Not too long ago DragonKid told me some of you guys told him in PMs how bad I was. Kid can't keep a secret. He insinuated he was going to find me on the internet elsewhere and get involved in my life in a bad way. Treadmill dude wanted to fight me and hurt me bad. He told me people told him in PMs how bad I was. Out of the blue I get an outburst from fairly new posters scolding me about being a child molester. I wonder where they get that from? Gotta love the drama and entertainment the internet provides.

Yes. It was that he contacted an underaged teen. That’s by his admission, no one else’s.

You are entitled to your opinion again but getting upset over what I do is not healthy.

I laid out a long time ago before I contacted my wife my methods and how I contact thousands of women. I don't have time to read profiles. If a woman looks beautiful, I write her without knowing her age, what she's looking for or what she writes about herself. Half the FSU women I dated in America were older than I but some people think I target young women since they have reading comprehension problems. I target beautiful women. I don't discriminate against age. 17 years old is considered by many in the FSU as an adult. FSU women here have claimed their parents considered them an adult when they were 17. I ended up contacting at least five 17 yo adults on the dating site that allowed them to be there. I know I contacted at least five 17 yo because I read the profiles of every woman that responds to my intro messages or letter. You're wrong to think I admitted to contacting underaged teens.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 15, 2018, 06:34:03 AM
Link my apology.

Nothing changes the fact you, a near 40 year old man, contacted an underage teen less than half your age, one who didn’t have the right to consume hard liquor, or to vote, in her own country.

When you have to add half years to the age of a potential paramour to justify contacting her, she is too young to contact. The fact you, on the cusp of age 40, contacted many 17 year olds says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 15, 2018, 08:44:34 AM
I HAVE a 17 yr old blond girl to Billy, she’s my daughter
I could not imagine ANY 40+ yr old wanting to be in an adult relationship with her
for the simple reason that SHE IS NOT AN ADULT!!!!!  WHY ON EARTH DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS!!!!!!!

I have had to adjust upward my "anger level threshold" in response to guys “like you” Billy
the thought never occurred to me that there’d be 40+ yr old guys “hitting on my teens”
until I saw this happen myself

the first time I witnessed this, I flew into a rage and almost became a murderer Billy, I came “that close” to killing the man

in order NOT to do this, I’ve learned to raise my threshold of feeling anger over this, it feels like I’ve raised it 100 times

YOU billy and only YOU, bring this upon yourself, which one of us is autistic billy you who apparently doesn’t understand what triggers people, or me, who does...

while I’ve undergone the process of raising the threshold, I wouldn't expect very many other people to have done the same, so they will react to you, like I did to others like you

everything about your behavior is INCREDIBLY transparent to me, for example why you choose blondes, and how you use them to validate yourself

you are NOT a very nice man billyb

as I told you before, I KNOW
and I know YOU know I know, and so do a lot of others

I will totally miss any future cemetery stories, it WAS a great story, but I have to put up with a great deal of aggravation from you to get to that little gem

conclusion: it’s JUST NOT worth it
I just put you on ignore, and would advise others who feel the same as this to do the same
don't give him the attention he craves

bye Felicia
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: ML on August 15, 2018, 10:11:31 AM

ML and GQ were there years ago and you can see based on how they post, they weren't traumatized by what they read.

Actually I was/am traumatized by many things I read here and elsewhere.

Each evening Ochka has to hold me in her arms and rock me back a forth while singing Ukrainian Lullabies to help me try to erase what I have read.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 15, 2018, 01:39:10 PM
Well BillyB, I'm sure I don't need to tell you posting certain things on forums like this won't absolve you from scrutiny. Especially the kind of subject/s you engaged everyone here with.

We will all have detractors regardless. That's human nature. Ricardo (don't remember the moniker) comes to mind with his aggrandizing romp of his pornographic escapades. Service provider Eduard did, too when he first posted the youtube link of one of his client to showcase his services. (OK, that one was pretty funny). KenC and his (ex) wife saga is another.

Hell, I took on the entire board before when I posted my definition of a *MOBer* as a result of Daveman splitting a thread just to direct that question to me. You think two or three members talking ill behind your back is bad? Try an entire board with a well-received/respected member at the helm.

I am not without raunchy experience/s from board members, man. Trust me. Good intentions won't get you anywhere here much less buy you a cup of coffee. I can tell you stories of some of the raunchiest things I encountered here, and on RWG, with board members that'll make you think are just absolutely insane. One that comes to mind that happened was what one member did during the onset of my relations with my current wife when she was still in Russia. To think, all I/we was/were trying to do was help the guy out ease into his relationship with his lady. Harassments, Invasion of privacy, threats, etc...doesn't even make the top-5 raunchiest. That's how bad it can get. Largely the reason why I shutdown my PM.

I can't control what other people do. I can however control what *I* can do. If I don't like how people may react to certain things I may say or do, I simply refrain from giving them the opportunity to do so. For the many, they're simply out there waiting in the wings for you to do something.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Hammer2722 on August 15, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
Actually I was/am traumatized by many things I read here and elsewhere.

Each evening Ochka has to hold me in her arms and rock me back a forth while singing Ukrainian Lullabies to help me try to erase what I have read.


And yet, you keep returning for more...... :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 15, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
Nothing changes the fact you, a near 40 year old man, contacted an underage teen less than half your age, one who didn’t have the right to consume hard liquor, or to vote, in her own country.

When you have to add half years to the age of a potential paramour to justify contacting her, she is too young to contact. The fact you, on the cusp of age 40, contacted many 17 year olds says a lot about you.

I sense a lot of anger. Why? Women get to choose who they want to be with. Be happy they have that freedom. If a guy is appealing to women, maybe he's a good guy and you got it all wrong? You were a teenager when you got married to your husband. Based on how you think, you had the mind of a child. My wife was an adult when she agreed to marry me.

You have a habit of using the number 40 when talking about my relationship. Krimster got the number 40+ in his head just like others did. When you state in public and in PMs to people I admitted to contacting underage girls and I'm in my 40s, they assume worst case scenario. I'm not surprised those with young and simple minds hit me with emotional outbursts out of the blue. You know what you're doing and you're probably smiling when your propaganda campaign works. Upthread you said I was 48 and my wife is 26. You know simple math yet you lied to people telling them I was made first contact with my wife in my 40s when the exact number of my age has been posted here from the beginning.

I should've taken Dan's offer to be a moderator. I would've ran this place better. You helped promote the chaos back then.

Link my apology.


Your post was short but you modified it over an hour later. Has anybody seen the before and after post Boethius made? Before I made my last post, I verified your apology to me in 2015 was still on this forum. I did a search now and it's gone. For years you have a habit of moving my posts to the junk pile or deleting my posts you don't like. A few months ago I asked another moderator where my thread was. He told me it was found in the junk pile. The most popular FSU relationship themed thread on the internet was found in the junk pile! It brought this forum a lot of traffic and new members. It's the very thread that got you hating me. Now you delete your own post in order to get me to look like a liar. You're lying to yourself. You're deceiving this whole forum. You're not deceiving me.

I can't control what other people do. I can however control what *I* can do. If I don't like how people may react to certain things I may say or do, I simply refrain from giving them the opportunity to do so. For the many, they're simply out there waiting in the wings for you to do something.


In my thread I told people what I'm going to write is going to upset some yet I continued to write. I knew FSU people can handle my dating experiences and some Western folks would not. Many Western folks have different rules to dating and feel anybody who doesn't play by their rules is immoral. But if someone can pick up on good advice, I'm willing to put up with the static noise.

If I ever become a single man again, I can write another thread in real time before I know where I'd finish like the last one. And when I finish, I'd have some people upset with my dating experiences but the woman I will have chosen in the end would blow people's minds. Some men wonder if they'll have any success with women. For me it's like putting one foot in front of the other and it's a given I'll move forward. If any man here feels they don't have a 100% chance in finding a good woman, he needs to evaluate what is wrong and fix it. He needs to get to a place where he's more appealing to women.



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 15, 2018, 09:51:40 PM
Yes I move posts when they are off topic. I haven’t deleted or edited one of your posts, other than bad language, in over five years. So stop being such a drama queen.

PS I neither deleted nor edited a post from 2015. If you don’t believe me ask admin to check the moderation log.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: JayH on August 16, 2018, 01:50:27 AM
Silly Billy whining about being trolled -- from a guy that does exactly that himself !!!

Take out his trolling posts , the idiotic posts and 90% would be gone ! :deadhorse:

What a poor little cry baby you are sillyB 1   !! :cluebat:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 16, 2018, 03:54:46 AM
I sense a lot of anger.

I suggest the emotion is one of revulsion / distaste ...  certainly not anger ...

You don't seem to read folks that well...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 16, 2018, 04:06:15 AM
he did another cemetery story didn't he, and it's even better than the last one, isn't it...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 16, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
I suggest the emotion is one of revulsion / distaste ...  certainly not anger ...

You don't seem to read folks that well...

Anger can influence behavior for years. It's always nice to hear an opinion from someone who harasses women that dump him. Who would know more about anger than a person who practices it a lot?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 16, 2018, 03:02:43 PM
I suggest the emotion is one of revulsion / distaste ...  certainly not anger ...

You don't seem to read folks that well...

You are correct.

I will confirm I am not angry, and never have been.  If any poster angered me, I would just stop reading his or her posts, or stop reading the forum.  After all, I am here voluntarily.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 16, 2018, 03:05:38 PM
Anger can influence behavior for years. It's always nice to hear an opinion from someone who harasses women that dump him. Who would know more about anger than a person who practices it a lot?

Silly BillyB

The emotion you're trying to 'diagnose' wasn't anger ....'Twas an unwise -  truthful - riposte to a fib ...

But you know this and simply repeat bollox - rather than dealing with your own inadequacies ...  I have admitted to my stupidity every time you raise it.. 

You might learn something .....  nah ...  you won't ..  a combination of stubborn and daftness




Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 16, 2018, 03:09:46 PM
I have admitted to my stupidity every time you raise it.. 


Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. Remember it next time before you do anything. Thank me later.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 16, 2018, 03:13:27 PM
No sense of irony impairment.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 16, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
No sense of irony impairment.

 :ROFL:  ..he's too thick to understand your winning blow
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 16, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
ok, the new one IS pretty good, and shorter...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 17, 2018, 12:42:17 AM
I had a short term contract in Toulouse, Republique Francaise
probably 10% of the employees in "aerospace alley" were young brits
I thought they had the most AMAZING life, bi-lingual, urbane, spent their holidays on the Côte d'Azur or skiing in the alps
not bad for middle class kids fresh out of university
and your country gave this up...

That's the problem, the deal with being in the EU is great for 'very middle class kids' but not so for working class and even lower middle class kids. If your in the latter group you are being penalised still further than your already not very well off background by struggling to get work from competing with East Europeans.

While the already well of kids get all the perks, hardly fair. It's why in London during the referendum Kensington & Chelsea were the only borough to vote Remain I believe in the whole of London, lol. It was hilarious when they show'd the reaction of the young Kensington & Chelsea Remain camp on TV when the Leave result came in they couldn't believe it - so wrapped up in cotton wool and remote from the real world most  British people have to live were they. Problem is they can't even fathom the everyday dread and butter issue again stake for those not as well off as them, which is a lot of the UK.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 17, 2018, 12:50:19 AM
That's the problem, the deal with being in the EU is great for 'very middle class kids' but not so for working class and even lower middle class kids. If your in the latter group you are being penalised

Hmm, tell THAT to those working for Honda in Swindon, Nissan in Washington, Tyne and Wear, Toyota in Derbyshire, BMW in Oxford..... 

I know many of the workers voted leave - like Turkey's for Xmas - and may soon feel the heat from penalising themselves
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 17, 2018, 01:52:51 AM
That's the problem, the deal with being in the EU is great for 'very middle class kids' but not so for working class and even lower middle class kids. If your in the latter group you are being penalised still further than your already not very well off background by struggling to get work from competing with East Europeans.

Admittedly I don't have any direct experience living in UK but was an employer in EU in the logistics/transport branch.  Hard work and dirty hands.  The local folks wouldn't have much of it even at a decent wage.  Hired mostly Turks, folks from the East and Italians.  Worked out quite well.  The Turks did not drink, those from the east worked tirelessly without complaint and the Italians were great with customers. They all showed up at the right time and went home when the job was finished.

I rate your assessment at three and half bollocks.. with one extra for not having any direct experience as employer.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 17, 2018, 04:14:31 AM
Hmm, tell THAT to those working for Honda in Swindon, Nissan in Washington, Tyne and Wear, Toyota in Derbyshire, BMW in Oxford..... 

I know many of the workers voted leave - like Turkey's for Xmas - and may soon feel the heat from penalising themselves
Do you know them, then, seeing as you speak so authoritatively for them?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 17, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
Do you know them, then, seeing as you speak so authoritatively for them?

I DO know guys who work for Honda in Swindon, BMW in Oxford / Swindon and in Washington Tyne and Wear - YES.... ( In the last 10 years I've lived in Oxford, the N.E and back to Glos'shire - not so far from Swindon - over the 'border' in Wilts

Many of 'em voted  'leave' and only have themselves to blame if investment stops or they lose out to mainland European plants

Now that we've established that - do you have an issue with what I posted - or ?...


Swindon / Wilts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616088 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616088)

Nissan in the N.East - the workers are still sleep-walking into losing their jobs

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/its-blackmail-really-nissan-employees-on-the-brexit-compensation-demand (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/its-blackmail-really-nissan-employees-on-the-brexit-compensation-demand)


Derbyshire votes leave and Rolls Royce  & Toyota know better than their workers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36614187 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36614187)



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BdHvA on August 17, 2018, 08:21:58 AM
No sense of irony impairment.

As they would say in England 'Bloody Briliant'
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 17, 2018, 08:29:14 AM
What would be 'Bloody Brilliant' ..if you could point out anything dishonest I've posted .... 


 :popcorn:

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 17, 2018, 11:45:10 AM
I DO know guys who work for Honda in Swindon, BMW in Oxford / Swindon and in Washington Tyne and Wear - YES.... ( In the last 10 years I've lived in Oxford, the N.E and back to Glos'shire - not so far from Swindon - over the 'border' in Wilts

Many of 'em voted  'leave' and only have themselves to blame if investment stops or they lose out to mainland European plants

Now that we've established that - do you have an issue with what I posted - or ?...


Swindon / Wilts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616088 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616088)

Nissan in the N.East - the workers are still sleep-walking into losing their jobs

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/its-blackmail-really-nissan-employees-on-the-brexit-compensation-demand (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/its-blackmail-really-nissan-employees-on-the-brexit-compensation-demand)


Derbyshire votes leave and Rolls Royce  & Toyota know better than their workers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36614187 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36614187)
Oh, I most certainly do have an issue as all you’ve established is that you may or may not know a few individuals who may or may not work for these companies.
You have a history of littering pretty much every thread going with your immutable POV and never accepting that other people have povs that differ from yours.
BT exit hasn’t happened yet. Let’s wait and see what actually happens instead of pretending your interpretation of the situation as the only valid one around.

As for the BBC, well, the less said the better,
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 17, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
Oh, I most certainly do have an issue as all you’ve established is that you may or may not know a few individuals who may or may not work for these companies.

Hmm, so  you didn't bother  reading the links - as whether you believe the BBC - or me - the FACT is these were places were the firms suggested voting remain was 'sensible' and the workers responded with two fingers.. Exactly the point I made. I long since stopped worrying when an internet stranger suggested I was being 'economical with the truth - when the opposite is true - as to whom I had engaged with, previously

You have a history of littering pretty much every thread going with your immutable POV and never accepting that other people have povs that differ from yours.

Whilst that might even be true - and I make no apology - in this case the only opinion was that the workers were - like Turkeys  - voting for Christmas ...

 You seem to be taking issue with the fact that I know people who work at 3 of the plants and their then ( and some
 - even now  - diverging opinion on Brexit and their long-term futures)


BT exit hasn’t happened yet. Let’s wait and see what actually happens instead of pretending your interpretation of the situation as the only valid one around.

I'm hardly 'pretending' or hiding my opinion  - to me it's common sense ( or lack of ) - 'opinion' based on geo-economic realities 

As for the BBC, well, the less said the better,

You won't be surprised that it is my opinion that you are mistaken in your possibly doubting the veracity of the BBC - you seem to have trust issues ;) 

What pray, was non factual re their reporting of the results and the risks to their futures - should Brexit bring tariffs and interrupt just in time stock deliveries and freedom of movement of workers ?

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
Here you go.  This summarizes many trials. 

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02432287 (http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02432287)

Here's another one -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5943638/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5943638/)

Totally anecdotal, but my grandmother took metformin for 25 years, until she was moved to insulin.  She lived to 91, oldest in her family.

That isn't what maxx said. He said:

Quote from: maxx
Taking Metformin is not so much about treatment or prevention of diabetes but the extension of your "health span."

That's what I was referring to. That's wholly contrary to any intent of the prescription of this drug you can presently read anywhere. .

As for your links, all that really said, including TAME (which I already read on maxx's post) is that results, both on animal testing and controlled sampled group prescribed with Metformin, showed *promising* signs that it can slow down *age-related* diseases as well. But with disclaimers i.e. continued testing. That's hardly *conclusive science* to me. Considering the drug had been around since post-WW I after all.

As for your 91 year old grandma, I'm happy she lived that long. Good on her!

But what I'm amazed about is, you seem to have a relative that stretches, or touch, every subject discussed on this board to help you support your point? Curious, I'd like to know from you, was any of your *relative* on Apollo 11 ( that no one else knew about) so you can tell us authoritatively that Neil did in fact landed on the moon? Of course, anecdotally is fine.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 17, 2018, 01:47:45 PM
Hmm, so  you didn't bother  reading the links - as whether you believe the BBC - or me - the FACT is these were places were the firms suggested voting remain was 'sensible' and the workers responded with two fingers.. Exactly the point I made. I long since stopped worrying when an internet stranger suggested I was being 'economical with the truth - when the opposite is true - as to whom I had engaged with, previously

Whilst that might even be true - and I make no apology - in this case the only opinion was that the workers were - like Turkeys  - voting for Christmas ...

 You seem to be taking issue with the fact that I know people who work at 3 of the plants and their then ( and some
 - even now  - diverging opinion on Brexit and their long-term futures)


I'm hardly 'pretending' or hiding my opinion  - to me it's common sense ( or lack of ) - 'opinion' based on geo-economic realities 

You won't be surprised that it is my opinion that you are mistaken in your possibly doubting the veracity of the BBC - you seem to have trust issues ;) 

What pray, was non factual re their reporting of the results and the risks to their futures - should Brexit bring tariffs and interrupt just in time stock deliveries and freedom of movement of workers ?
Everything you’ve written I can respond to with two words.
PROJECT FEAR
Nothing more need be said. That’s all you remainers have, so desperate are you to hang on to your European dream. Thank goodness, it’ll soon be a distant memory.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 17, 2018, 02:22:39 PM
I’d read about Metformin as diabetes occurs on both sides of my family.  The University of Alabama is raising money to study the issue further. A UK study did conclude Metformin pronlongues life. I never stated my opinion on the issue as I don’t have one.

I don’t post on every topic on the forum, but even if I did, if you don’t like it put me on ignore. I’m not here to please you. Incidentally I’m still waiting for all those posts you stated I’ve made evidencing my “expertise” on all things US. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 02:34:31 PM
Edited to address Boethius's edited post being addressed.

I’d read about Metformin as diabetes occurs on both sides of my family.

No relative aboard Apollo 11 then?

Quote from:  edited post by Boethius
...The University of Alabama is raising money to study the issue further...

So you agree, inconclusive science at this time.

Quote
  A UK study did conclude Metformin pronlongues life. I never stated my opinion on the issue as I don’t have one.

Yup. If you're a mouse.

Quote
I’m still waiting for all those posts you stated I’ve made on the US.

Which one you'd like for me to start with linked with CNN/Yahoo/..or? How'bout that dandy with the whole dossier that you bit into hook, line and sinker. Will that suffice?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 17, 2018, 02:36:33 PM
I never stated I had an opinion on the dossier. Go ahead and link the posts that say otherwise.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 02:53:01 PM
I never stated I had an opinion on the dossier. Go ahead and link the posts that say otherwise.




 :ROFL:  No?!?


So, you just had a rush of excitement having to post...what....half a dozen or so posts with CNN links on rapid succession in a very short amount of time because you actually *believed it proved DJT's Russian collusion*? LMAO! C'mon, been through this exercise with you. You were engaged in that thread to prove there was in fact irrefutable proof in Steele's dossier. That's why posted them. You weren't just passing through like the wind.


You even linked those posts for me last time I commented that it fascinate me to no end how folks NOT living inside the US could possibly know *more* about what's really going on here, more than folks living inside its borders, fueled only by Google.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 17, 2018, 03:57:27 PM
Feel better? 

I have never posted an opinion on life in the US. I have posted I am perplexed by US gun culture.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
Feel better?


Indifferent.

Quote
I have never posted an opinion on life in the US. I have posted I am perplexed by US gun culture.


BS.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 17, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
Then link all these posts where I have professed my expertise.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
Then link all these posts where I have professed my expertise.

Cute. Restructure the question to intentionally mislead.

Seriously, how can one be *perplexed* over anything without having an 'opinion' one way or another? How can one participate and engage, and at times intensely, in a discussion - accompanied at time with US media links - in support one's view, if one is void of having an *opinion* one way or another?

All I have to do is post the link of this entire site, search Boethius Posts, and bwalla - task completed.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: The Natural on August 17, 2018, 04:58:41 PM
Cute. Restructure the question to intentionally mislead.

Seriously, how can one be *perplexed* over anything without having an 'opinion' one way or another? How can one participate and engage, and at times intensely, in a discussion - accompanied at time with US media links - in support one's view, if one is void of having an *opinion* one way or another?

All I have to do is post the link of this entire site, search Boethius Posts, and bwalla - task completed.

Carefull now or, voila, you're censored or out of the game completely....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Bee Farmer on August 17, 2018, 05:15:43 PM
I have never posted an opinion on life in the US. I have posted I am perplexed by US gun culture.

Perplexed by gun culture, or perplexed by gun violence in America?  They are two totally different things.

Virtually all of gun violence in America is gang violence, but the PC left wingers don't want to admit that.  Most gun violence is black on black, or Latinos.  The media won't give that any press time, but they go nuts every time a white person shoots someone, and then they try to portray all gun violence in America as caused by whites.

I saw a thing once that said America was like number 2 in the world in gun deaths.  But if you subtracted out 6 cities, St. Louis, New Orleans, DC, Chicago, and a couple others, the US would be 189th out of 192 countries for gun deaths.

Deer hunters in America are the worlds largest army.  Not only are they they largest army, I think they are larger than every other army in the world combined.  Something like 14 million deer hunters.  There are an estimated 100 million gun owners in America.

Americans never have to worry about being invaded by a foreign army, because we have too many guns in the hands of civilians.  Most Americans think twice about committing crimes of violence, because they know their neighbors are well armed and are willing to kill you to protect themselves.  They will not allow themselves to be victimized.  Americans have the ability to overthrow our government if it gets too corrupt, and constitutionally permitted to have guns for that very purpose.  Would there have been the Holodymyr is every Ukrainian had a gun?  Would Stalin have been able to kill 30-50 million people in the gulags if everyone had a gun?  How many million people would Hitler have not killed if everyone had a gun?  Would Chairman Mao have killed 50-100 million people if everyone in China owned a gun? 

Most of America is full of responsible gun owners.  You run into problems when you have low IQ ethnicities (which have IQ ranges especially prone to violence) like blacks and Latinos and low IQ inner city white gangbangers.  (Average IQ in inner cities is one standard deviation lower than in suburbs for all ethnicities.  Whites are 85, blacks are 70, etc.  'Smart' blacks with an average black IQ of 85 move to suburbs.) 
THAT is gun culture in America.

If you want to address gun violence in America, you need to address low IQ populations, and areas with a high disparity in income, the haves and have nots.  There is no easy solution to that.  (Keep in mind that the US military will not accept anyone with an IQ of 83 or less.  They are too stupid to even be cannon fodder.  There is no job in the military they can be trained to do.  If you accept the proposition that the military is a rough approximation of jobs in society, that means that there is no job 15% of the population is capable of, since 15% of the population has an IQ that low or less.  It also explains why 15% of the population is on welfare.  The average American black IQ is 85 (which explains why 80% of black kids in America will grow up in a home that receives food stamps at some point.)  The average Latino has an IQ around 90.  As society gets more advanced, jobs will require higher and higher levels of cognitive function.  There is no easy solution for the less intelligent people.  As they see others having more blessings and wealth, the have nots will turn more and more to violent ends.  If they don't have a gun, they will use a knife or a club or a rock.  Guns are a means to an end, and not the problem itself.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: DaveNY on August 17, 2018, 05:35:11 PM
Just in case you think Bee Farmer is fanning the flames of racial divide. Here's some interesting facts.

Most gun violence is gang violence.
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/pages/welcome.aspx#gangs
http://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america

Blacks representing 13% of the US population commit more than 51% of all murders and 53% of all robberies.
http://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 06:14:52 PM
Quote from: Bee Farmer
Perplexed by gun culture, or perplexed by gun violence in America?  They are two totally different things.

Wait till she rebut your post with a CNN link.

I had previously posted on this board before that cited a report by DHHS that blacks were the biggest welfare recipient, all in all. *Whites* number then had to be 'revised' the following year to include Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Middle-Eastern folks to make that number look a little sane. Asian, which was at less than 2%, was modified and added Pakistan et al..to elevate it to 4%

Less than 14% of the population but represents the majority of welfare assistance recipients. Which makes the whole 'kneeling' drama for the National Anthem incredibly ridiculous, if not downright stupid. Yet, the liberal media and its politicians love languishing on this stupidity. Inequality, my butt.

But you can't state these facts because if you do, snowflakes will be up in arms screaming 'Racist'!, their default reaction. I've been called that here twice.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: The Natural on August 17, 2018, 07:06:18 PM
Wait till she rebut your post with a CNN link.

I had previously posted on this board before that cited a report by DHHS that blacks were the biggest welfare recipient, all in all. *Whites* number then had to be 'revised' the following year to include Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Middle-Eastern folks to make that number look a little sane. Asian, which was at less than 2%, was modified and added Pakistan et al..to elevate it to 4%

Less than 14% of the population but represents the majority of welfare assistance recipients. Which makes the whole 'kneeling' drama for the National Anthem incredibly ridiculous, if not downright stupid. Yet, the liberal media and its politicians love languishing on this stupidity. Inequality, my butt.

But you can't state these facts because if you do, snowflakes will be up in arms screaming 'Racist'!, their default reaction. I've been called that here twice.


Read it twice and still can't figure out what you mean. Sure, I'm not native and sure as Jay, who prefers non-drinkers like Adolf Hitler, I admit that I've had a few which apparently is anti-nazi. But as I don't understand and still am interested in what you're trying to say (contrary to anything Jay the gay has to say), please tell me in plain words. What do you mean, man?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 17, 2018, 08:00:49 PM
on the value of militias

last instances of militias being deployed by the US were Battles of Baltimore (Ball’mer) and New Oreleans (Narlins) over 200 years ago 

militias were required because in 1812 the US standing army was only 7,000 strong or roughly equal to the strength of MS-13 and Sinaloa cartels today

By the time of the First American Civil War (getting ahead of myself, the second one hasn’t happened yet in your timeline) militias were unnecessary as the US could equip and deploy a sufficient number of armed men

In the 20th century, militias were more or less fully state equipped, some prominent examples were:

1. british homeguard, armed and uniforms issued by her majesty
2. german volkssturm, civilian clothes, arms issued by noted author of “Mein Kampf”
3. various resistance groups, Philippines for example - armed, led by US government

Partisan groups are simple to defeat, google “Oradour-sur-Glane” if you don’t think so
what will happen to the dear deer hunters, if they poach an occupier and the next day, the occupiers round up 100 people including Trump supporters and children and execute them on the same spot, and then they exclaim, that next time it’s 200, which side in your inestimable opinion blinks first?

when General Isoroku Yamamoto was factoring his war plans against the USA, he knew that he could never successfully invade the US mainland, it was never seriously considered

supply lines from Japan could easily be severed, US had bases from Alaska to Panama

If somehow all these bases were wiped out, B-17s/B-24s could fly raids from central Nevada and attack Japanese coastal shipping while being out of range of Japanese carrier planes
out of a list of 10 factors that would indicate that such an attack would not be feasible, deer hunters weren’t on the list, it was actually below, “no more hollywood movies”

now that I’ve diverted the attention of you ignorant savages

time to soothe the savage beast in the time honored way

a one-two-three - hit it boys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JQ0xnJyb0A&start_radio=1&list=RD0JQ0xnJyb0A
Отава Ё – Сумецкая (русские частушки под драку
this has replaced “Born in the SSSR” as Russian Redneck Nirvana, much better IMHO

Veerle Baetens - OMG, heard her couple of months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XireE7v5Ep0&list=RDhJz7KT4LeZI&index=2
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LprqBP0JTw&index=5&list=RDhJz7KT4LeZI
had no idea there was such a thing as Dutch people playing “country western” mind blown

while in Amsterdam, you may find in the “Smart Shops” an item known as “truffles” these are NOT the culinary kind, I recommend the “Hawaiian” and eat the whole pack
and if you happen to be fortunate to be engaged in this activity while Heilung Krigsgaldr is visitin, well aren’t you the lucky one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPV38e7yfSo
skip the beginning and go to 1:10

all right now go and “talk amongst yourselves” and don’t make me have to come back here and catch y’all picking on BO, I mean it...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 17, 2018, 08:22:43 PM
value of militias


Hard to gauge the value of a militia if it's not tested. A Japanese commander said "Behind every blade of grass is a gun" when discussion about invading America took place. Citizens owning guns discouraged invasion.

All the militaries in the world including America's combined have 200 million guns. That's over a million guns per nation's military since there are less than 200 nations. Only a handful of nations have more than a million soldiers. American civilians own 265 million guns, 65 million guns more than all the armies of the world.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 17, 2018, 08:51:44 PM
BO
the block filter isn't quite working right, saw Billyb's post
which compels me to respond - slightly annoyed...

billy, doesn't matter how many guns there are, there could be billions
remember billy - guns don't kill people - people do!!!
so it's the people that matter
and the people have wives and children

in the case of Oradour-sur (disclaimer: i've been there)
the militia got SS-Sturmbannführer Helmut Kämpfe
in return the SS got the entire village of Oradour-sur-Glane - 642 people in all
how many more hunters were hiding behind blades of grass after that
and this is basically all you have to do to defeat a militia
and everyone within 50 miles who hears of this and has a wife and children
will lay down their deer rifles and take up stamp collecting

billy, do you see why "they pay me the big bucks"

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: The Natural on August 17, 2018, 09:03:58 PM
Hard to gauge the value of a militia if it's not tested. A Japanese commander said "Behind every blade of grass is a gun" when discussion about invading America took place. Citizens owning guns discouraged invasion.

All the militaries in the world including America's combined have 200 million guns. That's over a million guns per nation's military since there are less than 200 nations. Only a handful of nations have more than a million soldiers. American civilians own 265 million guns, 65 million guns more than all the armies of the world.

Are you living in the 2018's or not? It does not matter how many millions small arms the People have. If it comes Down to force, domestic or Foreign, military forces With highly Advanced gear and a plan will overun any redneck forces in no time. Why do you think the 2nd. amendement still Works? Because it's no threat to those who run the military and besides, the opposition are small Groups fighting within themselves, incapable of any meaningful resistance. That only happens in the Movies and unfortunately many Americans think world happenings are just like the movies, cool special effects and a happy ending where the American hero walks into the sunset.

Reality will be far from that!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 17, 2018, 09:09:52 PM
Hard to gauge the value of a militia if it's not tested. A Japanese commander said "Behind every blade of grass is a gun" when discussion about invading America took place. Citizens owning guns discouraged invasion.

Wrong (again)

Quote
Advocates of gun rights often argue that in World War II Japan was deterred from invading the U.S. mainland by a fear of American citizens with guns in their closets. They frequently quote Japan’s Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto as saying: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

But this quote is unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japan’s wartime fleet ever saying it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/14/historical-misquotes-war/
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 17, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
indeed sir, privately owned firearms will NEVER be used to repel a foreign invader of the USA
we will ONLY ever use such weapons on each other
We HAVE met the enemy
AND HE IS US

on dealing with a foreign invader
if it weren't for the retaliation issue, or if I just didn't care about the retaliation issue
I would use homemade WMDs

bathtub sarin?
really? where ya gonna get the  flourinated organophosphorus precursor when the whole society falls apart and Fed-Ex isn't making any more deliveries?

nahhhhhhhhh
I made a list of 5 WMDs I could make myself for the price of a used car
I will only list the one at the bottom of the list in terms of casualty potential
because if I listed even the next one on the list, let alone the top one, I will get a knock on the door

google  dimethylmercury and Karen Wetterhahn
you can make a slight variant of this that is even more toxic from materials and supplies you can obtain locally in a few hours and make 10s of kilogram or more...
sourcing materials and supplies, putting everything together, and performing the simple 7 step synthesis is a 2 day project
a drop killed Karen Wetterhahn, this is as toxic as sarin
but if you live near a large city, you can drive and pick up everything in a couple of hours
and remember this is the bottom of the list

and if you think that's bad, I have in my safe, an actual copy
of the world's funniest joke, the one where people literally die from laughter
as developed by the great humor weaponologists Monty and Python

Canada beware stay in Toronto


gotta go, someone's knocking on the door



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 17, 2018, 09:52:09 PM
the block filter isn't quite working right, saw Billyb's post
which compels me to respond - slightly annoyed...


Everybody on this forum who announces they got somebody on ignore comes back to read that person's posts, always. Don't be ashamed to read a good thing that challenges everything you believe in.

Are you living in the 2018's or not? It does not matter how many millions small arms the People have. If it comes Down to force, domestic or Foreign, military forces With highly Advanced gear and a plan will overun any redneck forces in no time.


The last few decades should've taught everybody brute force has it's limits. It's been a long tough fight to get every rebel terrorists in Syria, Iraq, and in Afghanistan and there's no end in sight. Taking the Capitol of a nation is easy. Keeping it free of violence is the hard part. Americans have many more guns than those terrorists. For every gun, there's many bullets for the enemy.

Not every American is going to fight. Some see this nation isn't worth fighting for. Others are just cowards. But many value this place enough to preserve it. They'd rather die on their feet than live on their knees.

The good thing is nations like Russia and China who are looking to expand will pick on those who are weak and save an invasion of America for last. By the time that happens, American citizens will have double the 265 million guns we have now.

Wrong (again)

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/14/historical-misquotes-war/

The guy below is a chief historian who brought Yamamoto's quote to the world. Should I believe liberals with an anti gun agenda or a historian with no gun agenda?

Technically you can question every famous quote ever said because it's was most likely spoken and not recorded by any means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Prange
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 17, 2018, 10:13:41 PM
Read it twice and still can't figure out what you mean. Sure, I'm not native and sure as Jay, who prefers non-drinkers like Adolf Hitler, I admit that I've had a few which apparently is anti-nazi. But as I don't understand and still am interested in what you're trying to say (contrary to anything Jay the gay has to say), please tell me in plain words. What do you mean, man?

LOL, Sorry. We had a dinner date with our neighbors and they were calling me out as were running late for our reservation. Now wifey's out on the patio having tea with the gals. So I have a few minutes...

The US Census Bureau still separate race/ethnicity to determine the demographic makeshift of our nation.

Whites, Hispanics, Blacks, Asian, Native (Indian) Americans, etc...

Statistic Brain Research Institute published/cited a report (IINM, 4-5 years ago) from our Dept of Commerce's Health and Human Services, relating to the total amount spent on all our welfare/government- assisted program (hundreds of billions) i.e. Food Stamps/Housing/Medicaid/CHIP, etc (there's actually over 80 programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical, and social services targeted to poor and low-income Americans); including unemployment but not including social security benefits; and how this total was divided per demographic group.

When SBRI dug deeper to find out the actual demographic distribution of all the welfare programs that year, it showed that the majority recipient of these welfare benefits were Black Americans (almost half of the total recipients). IINM, they beat out white Americans by 3 percentage points, which at the time represented 72% of Americans. Not only was this an eye-opener based on numbers, consider that the classification 'White' consists of 'white' Hispanics (south American light-skinned Latinos), Middle-Eastern, Cubans, Puerto-Ricans, Armenians, East-Europeans, etc..in other words, a mixed bag.

Why do I say a 'mixed bag? Google Los Angeles Dodgers Baseball Team player 'Yasiel Puig', a Cuban and tell me how 'white' he is. Now try Roberto Clemente, a Puerto Rican. This gives you an overview why it is so ridiculous when people loosely accuse 'white people' as racists towards Blacks.

Despite welfare, add the rampant gang violence, riots, looting, crimes, etc..seen in cities like Chicago, St Louis, etc..African-Americans feel they are oppressed in the US.  The NFL's black professional football players make a point of kneeling down during the playing of our national anthem before every game as a show of protest for 'Black Inequality' in America.

In America, especially today, you can't state facts like this and not be called a 'racist'. Heck, like in Berkeley, you can't even exercise your free speech without a riot breaking out and buildings getting set on fire.

Quote
The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 17, 2018, 10:22:22 PM
it's not a liberal vrs conservative issue
but a thinking vrs non-thinking issue
let me try and predict which side you'll be on...

the best way to NOT get shot, is not to go and get your own gun
but to live in a location that doesn't allow guns

do I know what I'm talking about?
http://newspaperarchive.com/news-mar-12-1973-p-1/
search "Edith Miles" in the text at the bottom

Edith Miles was my aunt, a retired school teacher in a town not far from where I lived
who worked part-time in a local super-market
murdered in cold-blood for under $300, guy who murdered her - killed someone else earlier in another robbery
one of those damn white guys
I was under 16 yr old at the time, was allowed to present what was essentially a eulogy to my aunt at her killer's sentencing
did guns make my aunt safer
did it make her children happy
10 people die like my aunt every day in this country
and the next day and the next day and the next
every day since my aunt died

but so what...


 

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 17, 2018, 10:25:50 PM
Bee, by the need of gun enthusiasts to own assault weapons, for example. Why does any person need such a weapon?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 17, 2018, 10:32:05 PM

Krimster, I had a grandfather die due to the damage emphysema caused due to smoking. Does it make me an expert in cigarettes?

People don't have to understand the culture in America or how we got to be so powerful. All they need to understand a lot of nations in this world is safer with America than without. The gun debate been beat to death. 2nd Amendment wins and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 17, 2018, 11:49:11 PM
The guy below is a chief historian who brought Yamamoto's quote to the world. Should I believe liberals with an anti gun agenda or a historian with no gun agenda?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Prange
Believe what you wish.

Quote
You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

It has been declared this attribution is "unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japan’s wartime fleet ever saying it.", according to source Brooks Jackson in "Misquoting Yamamoto" at Factcheck.org (11 May 2009), which cites source Donald M. Goldstein, sometimes called "the dean of Pearl Harbor historians", writing "I have never seen it in writing. It has been attributed to the Prange files [the files of the late Gordon W. Prange, chief historian on the staff of Gen. Douglas MacArthur] but no one had ever seen it or cited it from where they got it."
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Bee Farmer on August 17, 2018, 11:58:32 PM
Quote
Bee, by the need of gun enthusiasts to own assault weapons, for example. Why does any person need such a weapon?

What kind of firearm isn't an assault weapon?  Seriously, it's intellectually dishonest to label some weapons as being assault weapons, as if other firearms are any less lethal.

People need so-called "assault weapons" to defend themselves against other who intend to use such weaponry against us.  For starters, police, the military, and various governmental agencies. 

Perhaps a better question would be, why do we need heavily armed police, military, and armed governmental agencies?

There will always be wackjobs in this world.  There is no escaping that.  They will always find ways of killing innocent people, and innocent people need ways of effectively stopping the wackjobs from their carnage.  (If I wanted to kill a lot of people, I could kill a lot more by driving around throwing Molotov cocktails in dry areas.  It would quickly overwhelm firefighting resources.  Cannons with grapeshot are also effective at killing/injuring large groups of people.  Or someone could read the US military manuals on guerilla warfare, boobytraps, or how to make military explosives, all readily and cheaply available online.  Or go raid a farm - most pesticides are pretty toxic to humans.)

Positions of power and authority (like cops, military, government, public service jobs) will always attract sociopaths and psychopaths.  Good people are not attracted to public service - wackjobs are.  Simply for that reason alone, citizens need to have weaponry available to them to defend against (or if necessary, overthrow) government.  In order to defend against government, you need to have weaponry of comparable force to counter them.  I would trust my neighbors with machine guns, tanks, etc. before I would trust those things in the hands of any government worker.

Ben Franklin said that those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither.

Samuel Adams said, "A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader."  Sadly, many folks have lost their virtue.

“The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men.”
― Samuel Adams

“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

“Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust must be men of unexceptionable characters.”
― Samuel Adams  (We have forgotten this.  Generally, most people regard politicians and all forms of government workers as being among the worst scoundrels of society.)

“Every one knows that the exercise of military power is forever dangerous to civil rights; and we have had recent instances of violences that have been offer'd to private subjects....”
― Samuel Adams

“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.  It is Nature's manure. 
This means that innocent people will die as a result of people having freedom and liberty and the ability to infringe the rights of others.  The answer is to hold them accountable for transgressions, rather than to try to prevent bad things.  You can't prevent wackjobs from finding ways of being malevolent.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 12:21:20 AM
Cute. Restructure the question to intentionally mislead.

Seriously, how can one be *perplexed* over anything without having an 'opinion' one way or another? How can one participate and engage, and at times intensely, in a discussion - accompanied at time with US media links - in support one's view, if one is void of having an *opinion* one way or another?

All I have to do is post the link of this entire site, search Boethius Posts, and bwalla - task completed.

A case of boredom on a Friday night ? 

It would appear you have a dose of the Silly BillyB's .... 

Do be a nice chap and enjoy the incredible Tiger resurgence I told you wouldn't happen and stop proving you can't prove your case ;)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 12:31:01 AM
Everything you’ve written I can respond to with two words.
PROJECT FEAR


Which once more demonstrates your counter view on 'Brexit' - but not on the FACT that in constituencies - with major plants relying on maintenance of EU norms  - the workers chose to ignore the advice of management ...

'Project Fear' is already FACT - in that despite the weaker Pound UK manufacturing is down ...

Nothing more need be said. That’s all you remainers have, so desperate are you to hang on to your European dream. Thank goodness, it’ll soon be a distant memory.

Ah, but will it ?  Some of us are off to live in an EU nation - putting our money where our mouths are - rather than live in a UK that is stuck in neutral ...

From outside - it is even clear how other EU nations are going to profit - if we are daft enough to leave with no deal
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 02:59:32 AM
Ah, but will it ?  Some of us are off to live in an EU nation - putting our money where our mouths are - rather than live in a UK that is stuck in neutral ...

From outside - it is even clear how other EU nations are going to profit - if we are daft enough to leave with no deal
What is fact (see, I don’t see the need to shout out, it’s clear enough) is that whoever voted in the referendum, chose to exercise their democratic mandate, beholden to none.

Off you go then. Why are you still here, arguing till the cows come home?
Good for them if they profit. Unlike you remainets, we have a positive outlook.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 03:12:20 AM
These last few posts should be sorted elsewhere.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 03:12:46 AM
What is fact (see, I don’t see the need to shout out, it’s clear enough) is that whoever voted in the referendum, chose to exercise their democratic mandate, beholden to none.

The question was leave or remain - NOT how to leave


Good for them if they profit. Unlike you remainets, we have a positive outlook.

My dearest chap - you didn't read, properly - I'm taking a very positive outlook from leavers' daftness

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 04:00:00 AM
The question was leave or remain - NOT how to leave
Exactly, that was never the question. So we shall be LEAVING the EU. Exactly as voted for.
Quote
My dearest chap - you didn't read, properly - I'm taking a very positive outlook from leavers' daftness

Is that why you constantly moan about it?  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 04:00:31 AM
These last few posts should be sorted elsewhere.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 05:09:09 AM
“What kind of firearm isn't an assault weapon?  Seriously, it's intellectually dishonest to label some weapons as being assault weapons, as if other firearms are any less lethal.”



you’re right! so let’s NOT BE intellectually dishonest
the deadliest mass shooting in US history ( Las Vegas, October 1, 2017)
was NOT done with a bolt action rifle but with an AR-15 AND a bumpstock
which weapon is more lethal in terms of number of rounds fired per minute
I can probably fire 10+ r.p.m with a heavy caliber bolt action rifle
an ar15 with a bumpstock would do 200+ r.p.m.

“People need so-called "assault weapons" to defend themselves against other who intend to use such weaponry against us.  For starters, police, the military, and various governmental agencies.

“Perhaps a better question would be, why do we need heavily armed police, military, and armed governmental agencies?”



you actually answered the question yourself, but at the same time, didn’t make the connection in your two statements, regarding how one relates to the other

read about the North Hollywood shootout
law enforcement began an arms race after that



“and innocent people need ways of effectively stopping the wackjobs from their carnage.”


beginning next Tuesday, “stopping the wackjobs from their carnage” is actually my job description as a “cougar dad” a volunteer security guard at my daughter’s school
I’m a “picket", on the outside, if the wackjob chooses the 2 exits I guard, I will be the first person he encounters.

I am unarmed and unafraid.
my task is to detect and confront the wackjob, and when he shoots me, that will trigger a lock down of the school, and will bring the school’s uniformed police officer to the front, my children have their own instructions to follow if this unlikely event were to transpire.  if cougar dads were allowed to bring their firearms, I’d pull my kids out of school that day

“Positions of power and authority (like cops, military, government, public service jobs) will always attract sociopaths and psychopaths.”

and if they don’t have mental health issues before they start the job, 10 years later they’re guaranteed to have them, I know many in law enforcement, they’re ALL divorced and most of their kids have mental health issues as well

in Amsterdam, police act like they’re your long lost friend and glad to see ya
because they don’t have this stress
seriously, can’t get over the contrast...


BTW, I am a former Republican!
I voted Republican up to and including Ronald Reagan, worked as a campaign volunteer for Republican Senator Lawrence Hogan from Maryland

I didn’t leave the Republican Party
it left me
so beginning with George Bush 1, I switched to the Democratic Party
because the Democratic Party moved to the right
and the Republican Party moved to “Crazy Town”


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 05:18:21 AM
"leavers?"

haha

when I was in the army, a fellow soldier left the largest "you know what" in the toilette I ever saw
I said to him, "WTF man, why didnt ya flush"?
he said, "gotta be a record, it's a leaver"

ahhh, good times...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 05:44:50 AM
Exactly, that was never the question. So we shall be LEAVING the EU. Exactly as voted for.
Is that why you constantly moan about it?  :D

)))

Leaving what? The whole shebang, What common stds will we keep, what will be the tariffs, who can come and go without a visa/ work permit  ?   

THAT is what isn't decided and SHOULD be subject to the PEOPLE - not the Tories - who BTW I voted for - believing they'd run the economic better and forget the Euro-sceptic bollox !

IF you are in biz - there are SO many f'n things that can't be planned  - so F it .. move the business))
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: The Natural on August 18, 2018, 06:01:19 AM

People don't have to understand the culture in America or how we got to be so powerful. All they need to understand a lot of nations in this world is safer with America than without. The gun debate been beat to death. 2nd Amendment wins and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Billy, Billy, do you really believe the myth of US goodness for the rest of the world? I suppose you do, as well as millions others. You really have no clue as to exactly how deep the US are despised over the world. US taxpayers money are used for the benefit of large private corporations and on top of that, they've managed to brainwash individuals like Billy into cheering for it. Ha. I make the assumption that you do not belong to the elite billionaire club that use the US military like the mafia use muscle men to get jobs done.


It is truly amazing and sad to see how gullible so many people are. Russian meddling and sanctions from hell. How far are people willing to let their stupidity take them? Will they stop once a nuclear holocaust is imminent, or are their ridiculous hatred on a level with Jay, that will not die until all of humanity dies?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 07:04:26 AM
)))

Leaving what? The whole shebang, What common stds will we keep, what will be the tariffs, who can come and go without a visa/ work permit  ?   

THAT is what isn't decided and SHOULD be subject to the PEOPLE - not the Tories - who BTW I voted for - believing they'd run the economic better and forget the Euro-sceptic bollox !

IF you are in biz - there are SO many f'n things that can't be planned  - so F it .. move the business))
Since when does Joe Public negotiate international treaties.
That’s what we elect governments for.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 07:20:27 AM
yeah!
I dunno about you guys, but we have experts like Donald J Trump, heh!!!
you guys shoulda been our colony
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 18, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
Bee, by the need of gun enthusiasts to own assault weapons, for example. Why does any person need such a weapon?

Assault rifles look like military weapons but they don't perform like one. No military in the world would buy an AR-15 made for civilians. It's like putting a cool paint job and a Ferrari logo on a Kia. The Kia isn't going to perform like a Ferrari.

These last few posts should be sorted elsewhere.

They're off topic because those posts are of maximum importance?

Billy, Billy, do you really believe the myth of US goodness for the rest of the world? I suppose you do, as well as millions others. You really have no clue as to exactly how deep the US are despised over the world.

I believe in helping myself, family, friends and country. American goodness should be given to those who benefit us. It shouldn't be be free and anybody that tries to destabilize my country, family and way of life should be eliminated. This isn't about the fight between good and evil, just living and prospering.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 10:41:26 AM

Billy, Billy, do you really believe the myth of US goodness for the rest of the world?

Natural,
there was a time when I was able to observe that feeling overseas (I've spent over 50 years outside the US)  It got lost during the Bush II era with Iraq, revived a good bit with Obama, then really tanked with Trump.  While all eyes and fears are directed elsewhere, Iraq, China, Russia, Iran, N.Korea, EU, Canada etc etc, the only thing that will bring down the US is ourselves.  Unfortunately that process has begun, bringing out the worst in us instead of putting forward the best.

As for Billy, our RWD ego driven patriot who has it all figured out, think overcompensation, like a white man trying to be black or vice versa.  Something akin to not being 'right' in his own skin.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 10:42:54 AM
)))

Leaving what? The whole shebang, What common stds will we keep, what will be the tariffs, who can come and go without a visa/ work permit  ?   

THAT is what isn't decided and SHOULD be subject to the PEOPLE - not the Tories - who BTW I voted for - believing they'd run the economic better and forget the Euro-sceptic bollox !

IF you are in biz - there are SO many f'n things that can't be planned  - so F it .. move the business))


The words of a British Prime Minister:

“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

“At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.

“So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay, I say think again.

And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice. An in or out referendum.

“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”




Read it and weep, msmob.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 10:43:01 AM
BO
the block filter isn't quite working right, saw Billyb's post
which compels me to respond - slightly annoyed...

Heck I don't even see an ignore button.. where's it supposed to be?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
per BO's instructions:

Go to your Forum Profile.  At the top will be two buttons, one says "Profile Info".   The other says "Modify Profile".  If you click on that you'll get a bunch of options, one of which is ignore/buddies list.  Add the names of posters you wish to ignore in "Edit Ignore List" and save.

s'long man
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
Thanks krimster.. I do see it now and seems I had msmoby on ignore so yeah, guess it don't work LOL
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 18, 2018, 11:43:00 AM
The ignore function does work.  Make sure you are using the ignore list, not the buddy list.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 11:46:40 AM
moby?
thought you wuz gonna liquidate ME!
I sent for a priest to perform last rites, he didn't want to come over (they don't like house calls), but I told him I was 12

instead of liquidatin, why not join the exhibitionist exhibition, liven the place up
the image of the visage will be better than a scrimmage!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
moby?
thought you wuz gonna liquidate ME!

Nahh.. too complicated process and I'm enjoying your posts.  Moby must have been from long ago when he got too petulant (self description)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 18, 2018, 01:00:11 PM
“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”

Read it and weep, msmob.

Moby encourages Americans to use a popular vote when choosing a president but he doesn't respect the popular vote in the UK when it doesn't go his way.

the only thing that will bring down the US is ourselves.  Unfortunately that process has begun, bringing out the worst in us instead of putting forward the best.


America going down is a good thing to a lot of people out there, especially for those who made predictions. You should be rejoicing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 01:08:46 PM

The words of a British Prime Minister:

“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

“At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.

“So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay, I say think again.

And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice. An in or out referendum.

“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”




Read it and weep, msmob.

Ah the Express readers' mantra... 



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
Moby encourages Americans to use a popular vote when choosing a president but he doesn't respect the popular vote in the UK when it doesn't go his way.

Again - for the Silly BillyB school hard of hearing

The Referendum was a vote to undo 50 years of work and the Q has left far more Qs than answers ...  the British Public should gett a vote on the final proposal

General / Presidential elections come about every 5 / 4 years

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 01:35:14 PM
"when he got too petulant "

well, I take a little Pepto Bismol if that happens
but if the petulence is too loud, I blame it on my wife and tell the kids my wife did it, kids ALWAYS believe me
and my wife just looks at me and shakes her head, which makes her look even more guilty
oh, the cleverness of me!


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 01:45:10 PM
Ah the Express readers' mantra...
Tell that to David Cameron.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 01:48:00 PM
Again - for the Silly BillyB school hard of hearing

The Referendum was a vote to undo 50 years of work and the Q has left far more Qs than answers ...  the British Public should gett a vote on the final proposal

General / Presidential elections come about every 5 / 4 years
It was nothing of the sort.
Whether it's 50 years or 5 years, what bit about democracy don't you understand? Or is it the typical remainer ploy of its only democracy when you get the result you want?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 18, 2018, 02:27:58 PM
I hear the conservative party is putting the Magna Carta up for a vote,
Britain could use a man like Ramsey McDonald right now
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 18, 2018, 08:07:08 PM

Whether it's 50 years or 5 years, what bit about democracy don't you understand? Or is it the typical remainer ploy of its only democracy when you get the result you want?

You scared of a vote on the conditions of leaving the current EU framework?

I don't WANT to leave - I do respect that a ( few too many) misguided idiots who believed we'd be better off  - many who now understand their folly - aren't happy and even Farage and Banks think a second vote would be a good idea ... 

Their motives are different - but I predict a VERY different outcome

You  got kids ?   They voted to REMAIN and when the old crusties have gone .. We'll be back in at any rate



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 18, 2018, 09:16:58 PM
You scared of a vote on the conditions of leaving the current EU framework?
Comprehension problems?
I repeat. What part of d e m o c r a c y don’t you understand?
Quote
I don't WANT to leave - I do respect that a ( few too many) misguided idiots who believed we'd be better off  - many who now understand their folly - aren't happy and even Farage and Banks think a second vote would be a good idea ... 
Respect? You must have a different definition to mine.

Quote
Their motives are different - but I predict a VERY different outcome
In your fantasy world, anything is possible.
Quote
You  got kids ?   They voted to REMAIN and when the old crusties have gone .. We'll be back in at any rate
Again, a majority voted to leave,  across a cross section of society, including those kids you keep on about.
There were a few spoilt brats sobbing into their cornflakes after the referendum wailing about their oh, so precious ewwww future they were robbed of by those great unwashed uneducated masses.
Do you think I care one jot about them?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 18, 2018, 10:38:10 PM
got kids ?   They voted to REMAIN and when the old crusties have gone .. We'll be back in at any rate

I trust old people to vote for what's better for their kids future than kids. Kids will get older and with age, they'll get wiser and vote like those crusties you criticize. Same thing in America. Young people with less education and life experience overwhelming vote Democrat. Older people vote Republican.

Why can't you accept what the majority in the UK wanted? After Trump won the election...big, the Democrats wanted recounts and wanted to file lawsuits. Then they talked impeachment when Trump hadn't committed a crime. Liberals continue to say he's mentally incapable of running this country. The guy is a billionaire and won the American presidency and they think they are smarter than him? The best think you and people like you can do is accept the vote and work with the winners on Brexiting instead of fighting them every step of the way. If America can be successful without the EU holding our hand, so can the UK.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 10:43:40 PM
I'm against brexit not because of how folks in UK voted but because of doubts about them being able to cast an informed vote, fully aware of the consequences.  IIRC there was a good bit of misinformation passed around.

In any case I'm not too worried as there is nothing about this process that is irreversible.  The UK can rejoin EU at any time I hear which may happen or not.  Since such has never been done before there is a lot to be learned.  Unfortunately even if UK eventually returns a lot of damage has been done and things will likely never go back to the way it was for either side, maybe even including the possibility of a depreciated veto depending on happenings in between.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 18, 2018, 11:02:46 PM
I do find it puzzling that only Greater London, Scotland and N. Ireland voted to remain.  Would be interested in hearing why from both sides.  Classic urban vs rural? or was there more in the mix?  I can imagine N.Ireland was particularly sensitive to the border issue.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 19, 2018, 12:34:12 AM
I do find it puzzling that only Greater London, Scotland and N. Ireland voted to remain.  Would be interested in hearing why from both sides.  Classic urban vs rural? or was there more in the mix?  I can imagine N.Ireland was particularly sensitive to the border issue.
This is disingenuous. It was not a regional vote so how regions or areas voted is completely irrelevant to the majority result.
Saying that the major urban conurbations voted a certain way because the are so completely detached from the very real issues faced by large sections of the rest of the UK population in terms of income inequality, jobs, education, opportunity, etc.
and then there was immigration, large scale uncontrolled immigration which for years has been the elephant in the room. Everyone wanted to talk about it but the minute anyone did they were shouted down and silenced by the likes of msmob (and a serving British PM ) and his crowd with cries of bigot, racist and the like.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 19, 2018, 12:43:19 AM
This is disingenuous.

Well cripes, I just looked up the results to see what the spread was and noticed that so few regions voted against.  All here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016

You seem awful sensitive about it all. ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 19, 2018, 01:00:20 AM
Comprehension problems?
I repeat. What part of d e m o c r a c y don’t you understand?

So, you wouldn't have a problem with a 'People's Vote - rather than just a parliamentary vote on the conditions of any deal / no deal with the EU ?


Respect? You must have a different definition to mine.
In your fantasy world, anything is possible.Again, a majority voted to leave,  across a cross section of society, including those kids you keep on about.
There were a few spoilt brats sobbing into their cornflakes after the referendum wailing about their oh, so precious ewwww future they were robbed of by those great unwashed uneducated masses.
Do you think I care one jot about them?

Ah, so you ARE scared of a 'People's vote ? ..   

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2018, 03:51:26 AM
"Ah, so you ARE scared of a 'People's vote ? ..  "

that would be ACTUAL democracy, if you do that, what do you need politicians for?
hence, THEY will never let YOU do that....

I actually think that's the way to go however, "people politicians"
and would be feasible to implement
but is even less likely than campaign finance reform, which also will never happen
for the exact same reason
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 19, 2018, 06:19:36 AM
So, you wouldn't have a problem with a 'People's Vote - rather than just a parliamentary vote on the conditions of any deal / no deal with the EU ?
You keep banging on about this. The votes done. Learn to live with it.
In msmob world democracy is vote and vote again till you get the result you want.
Quote

Ah, so you ARE scared of a 'People's vote ? ..
Amazing, how you jump to these conclusions.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Bee Farmer on August 19, 2018, 09:36:15 AM

she and I have MAJOR disagreements over how she treats people she feels "are lesser"
she and her little pack of "mean girls" terrorize her high school
when I was high school age, I used to live in total dread of girls like this
and to find my daughter has become one
has been disappointing to me
but she's only 17 and is the most spoiled, self entitled creature on this earth with an over inflated sense of self worth
I'm sure that will change when she leaves home and has to make her way in the world like everyone else

She acts that way because you taught her to act that way.
Parents have no room to complain about bad behavior by their kids when they taught their kids that bad behavior.
It is a parent's responsibility to teach their kids proper social values like respect and kindness towards others. (If a child is not properly socialized by age 4, they almost always exhibit antisocial behavior for life.  And one of the best ways to socialize kids is rough and tumble play.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 19, 2018, 09:41:12 AM
 
Prolonging the Syrian conflict helped Putin learn something. If Putin promotes more conflict in the Middle East or Eastern Europe to create another flood of refugees, he will weaken the economies of the EU and continue to crack the alliance.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 19, 2018, 09:47:07 AM
She acts that way because you taught her to act that way.
Parents have no room to complain about bad behavior by their kids when they taught their kids that bad behavior.

It is a parent's responsibility to teach their kids proper social values like respect and kindness towards others. (If a child is not properly socialized by age 4, they almost always exhibit antisocial behavior for life.  And one of the best ways to socialize kids is rough and tumble play.)

Your post is by someone who has never raised children.  All theory, no experience.

Children will do all sorts of stupid things.  Some of them can be changed with parental guidance.  Others can't be.  One thing you learn quickly when you have children is that they have unique personalities right from birth. 

Our daughter never had rough and tumble play.  Yet I can state, unequivocally, that she is one of the most empathetic people you could ever meet. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2018, 10:41:42 AM
“She acts that way because you taught her to act that way."


possibly indirectly, as in I spoiled my daughter too much, and as a result she has a highly overdeveloped self-regard
when your father puts you on a pedestal, you tend to think of yourself as a god, and not a mere mortal



“It is a parent's responsibility to teach their kids proper social values like respect and kindness towards others.”

yes, and this same child created a fund raiser when she was 10 to raise money for the kids in her school who couldn’t afford school supplies, and the same girl, also protects vulnerable kids from bullies, she just won’t socialize with them

you would be surprised at what goes on with kids in schools these days!!!!  :o
I AM SHOCKED BY WHAT I EXPERIENCE AND HOW TOXIC “TEEN CULTURE” IS TODAY, I MEAN REALLY, REALLY SHOCKED!!!!

my daughter spends more time in this culture than she does at home, I have to often remind her to not bring school behavior back home with her
but even if this behavior is not expressed, it’s internalized
she considers the mean girls her peers, beautiful, wealthy parents, privileged, but being accepted by this club has certain requirements, and she’s not mature enough YET to understand that, but I believe that when she leaves this environment (which won’t be long) she will

as BO and I have pointed out, you have ZERO experience, a book cannot capture the nuance and near infinite detail of raising teens, the most difficult job I’ve ever had

you have NO REAL KNOWEDGE of this subject
and frankly I don’t think you ever will...
you don’t know the territory, just a simple map that someone drew for you
and as I told you once before
“The map is NOT the territory”

so you pointing at a bare piece of paper with a few squiggles on it and telling Lewis and Clark they’re going in the wrong direction, is the basis for a good joke....

ummm hmmm...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Bee Farmer on August 19, 2018, 11:43:45 AM
Your post is by someone who has never raised children.  All theory, no experience.

Children will do all sorts of stupid things.  Some of them can be changed with parental guidance.  Others can't be.  One thing you learn quickly when you have children is that they have unique personalities right from birth. 

Our daughter never had rough and tumble play.  Yet I can state, unequivocally, that she is one of the most empathetic people you could ever meet.

You do realize that your post exhibits anti-social behavior?  Men usually exhibit anti-social behavior through physical aggression.  Instead of physical aggression, anti-social behavior in women is displayed as gossip, innuendo, and character assassination.  You are using an ad hominem attack on me for not having kids, which is irrelevant.  It is character assassination by trying to say that I have no credibility because I don't have kids.

Are you telling me you or your husband never tossed your daughter into the air, and caught her?  That neither of you ever play wrestled with your daughter?  Did you ever bounce her on your knee?  Did you ever hold her by her wrist and ankle, and spin her around like an airplane?  Did you ever roll her over doing somersaults on the couch?

These are examples of rough and tumble play.  It teaches children trust for their parents, and teaches them where play ends and pain begins.  If children don't learn these things, they exhibit anti-social behaviors.  You don't have to have children to recognize truths about it.

Being empathetic has nothing to do with being properly socialized.  Too much empathy is actually a bad thing.  Don't just take it from me - that's what psychologists say.  If your daughter is one of the most empathetic people I could ever meet, that suggests to me that your daughter is someone that I would never want to meet.

Properly socialized people are respectful of others.  Empathy has nothing to do with respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPoI68mRZF4
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 19, 2018, 11:54:14 AM
Pointing to the fact you do not have children and therefore are speaking purely from a theoretical perspective is not an attack on you.

When you have raised children to adulthood, come back and tell me I’m wrong. Your contemplations are akin to me telling you the best methods to increase honey production. Furthermore, I reject the notion that humans can be so easily categorized, that if you do A, the result will be B.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BC on August 19, 2018, 12:13:54 PM
Kids don't come with instruction manuals.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
“You do realize that your post exhibits anti-social behavior?” 


I hate to say what your post exhibits...
I hate to say it, but I’ll say it anyway!

you have ONLY someone else’s explanation of reality
you have NO EXPERIENCE which is necessary to form your own explanation

so you can’t judge if someone else’s explanation is good or bad or even silly
(theories are like analogies, on contact with reality THEY ALL will “break down”)

you also can’t judge if someone else’s theory has context, you just accept it at face value and with no experience you can’t evaluate it any further
your approach is dogmatic and that requires no thought
vrs pragmatic which requires quite a bit

but I understand what you’re “really” doing here
you are repeatedly attempting (and failing every single time)
to “weaponize” your dogma to use against critics

my life is just fine thank you
instead of my life, take a long look at your own

a year from now, I’ll have my 20th anniversary
my oldest will be off to college
and you’ll “still be looking”
and still criticizing others
instead of looking in the mirror
and trying to gain an understanding of why life isn’t working for you

your issues are quite transparent to me
but I don’t feel like arguing with you about it
and I am perfectly content to let you go and fail

the frame on the video shown above is how I imagine you
and probably how a Ukrainian woman will perceive you

but of course, they’ll be the ones with “the problems” and the reason why things didn’t work out
of course of course
every cripple does his dance, and your gyrations are quite entertaining to me

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Jumper on August 19, 2018, 12:21:16 PM
Don't sweat it Beo,  a baggage handler flew an airplane for an hour the other day,
I mean he'd played video game simulators before.


All the parents are chuckling a bit bee farmer, theory is great,and useful.
But as Beo stated children are quite  unique individuals from an extremely early age.

If you think it's *all* strickly about parental guidance please explain why in almost all multiple children families, the children are very often completely different. And yes often one black sheep lol.

Even *if* both parents were absolutely  consistant across all the kids, and generally good parenting skills.

That said,certainly a parent can reinforce bad,or good behaviours, and you see plenty of poorly adjusted kids that were a result of poor parenting or non existant parenting.




 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2018, 04:52:53 PM
Nature abhors a vacuum, “horror vacui”
and you BeeFarmer are part of the natural world
and detest it as well

your lack of experience relates to more than just raising children
it relates to your lack of experience with the rest of the world as well

and to fill the empty space inside you
you have turned to the “self-help” section on Amazon

compared to the vacuum you once had, you think the fullness Amazon has given you
feels like “Truth”
but it’s not

if you want to find the truth BeeFarmer, the one with the capital “T”
then put down the self-help books and go and live your life

if you look down at the world,
then everyone seems to be at fault
but if this is the way you choose to look at the world
then it is you who are at fault
you can’t judge someone
until you’ve walked in their shoes
and you haven’t even learned how to walk yet...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: rwd123 on August 19, 2018, 07:08:45 PM
All the parents are chuckling a bit bee farmer, theory is great,and useful.
It reminds of the time I flew with my 4yo daughter on a long haul flight. Wakes up in hysterics, obviously not comfortable in new surrounds. Was difficult to settle down. The guy in front of me understandably not enjoying the screaming says, "you should control her." Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard a person mutter. Obviously never a father.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 19, 2018, 07:18:32 PM
i'm lucky flying with my wife and kids
i'm the one who wakes up crying

flying is always an exercise in stoicism, or should be
whenever I think the going is tough
I think what it must've been like in "the good ole days"
and what it would be like to spend a fortnight in 3rd class
on a mid 19th century steamship



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 19, 2018, 09:43:52 PM
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPoI68mRZF4


Very interesting video, Bee Farmer. A coincidence, too. Jordan Peterson was a hot topic of conversation with our neighbors the other day. I was looking into buying one of his new book, '12 Rules in Life'.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
that must feel uncomfortable...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Bee Farmer on August 20, 2018, 05:44:43 AM
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Pointing to the fact you do not have children and therefore are speaking purely from a theoretical perspective is not an attack on you.

Actually it is Boethius, because one does not have to have children to be able to observe or understand behavior.  It is an appeal to an authority that does not exist. 

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Your contemplations are akin to me telling you the best methods to increase honey production.

And they may be worth listening to.  Heck, I bet since you live in Canada that you could point out that your summer days have more hours of daylight which allows bees more hours in the day to gather nectar.

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That said,certainly a parent can reinforce bad,or good behaviours, and you see plenty of poorly adjusted kids that were a result of poor parenting or non existant parenting.

Watch out Jumper, folks will say you have to have kids before you can recognize such realities.

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It reminds of the time I flew with my 4yo daughter on a long haul flight. Wakes up in hysterics, obviously not comfortable in new surrounds. Was difficult to settle down. The guy in front of me understandably not enjoying the screaming says, "you should control her." Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard a person mutter. Obviously never a father.

Nope, I have something even dumber.  What you just said, rwd.  That was extremely irresponsible parenting.

At 18-24 months, a child understands basic discipline.  By age 4, they fully understand what it means when you tell them to be quiet and stop crying, and that everyone is watching them and they are upsetting people around them.

If by age 4 you did not have your daughter socialized enough that you could tell her to be quiet and have her obey, then it was complete irresponsibility of you to even take her on the flight.  You should have left her with a relative.

I know tons and tons of parents who can make their 4 year old child stop crying and be quiet.  The child might sniffle for a few minutes, but that will be about it.  If tons of other parents can keep their 4 year old under control in public, why can't you?  (Hint: it has nothing to do with the kid, and everything to do with the parent.)

My dad said that if we didn't stop crying, he would have given us a reason to cry.

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Very interesting video, Bee Farmer. A coincidence, too. Jordan Peterson was a hot topic of conversation with our neighbors the other day. I was looking into buying one of his new book, '12 Rules in Life'.

An interesting thing to note - something like 90% of the people who come to hear him speak or watch his videos are guys.  It appears that personal responsibility resonates more with guys than girls.  (Then again, that may also be because he pointed out that at the same time the #MeToo movement was gaining traction, women were also making 50 Shades of Gray the fastest selling bestseller, which shows what women are really thinking.)

Watch out for Chapter 5, GQ.  Don't let your kids do anything that makes you dislike them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2018, 06:01:49 AM
one does not have to have children to be able to observe or understand behavior.

Indeed, one just has to have been a parent to understand how ( mostly) risible the 'advice' those you haven't worn the t-shirt sound ...

In this case, the cap fits...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 06:58:56 AM
msmob,

BeeFarmer is too incompetent to realize his own incompetence
he doesn’t know, how MUCH he doesn’t know
instead of coming here with humility
he comes here with hostility

you have your beautiful wife msmob, AND your beautiful CHILDREN
and I have mine,
and others on this board have theirs as well,
what does BeeFarmer have?
he has NOTHING except his illusion of superiority
and he does not WANT to understand why he has NOTHING
even though the reason is glaringly obvious to you and me and ANY woman he will meet in Ukraine
his batting average thus far in Ukraine is ".0"
and that says more about him than anything he says about anyone else



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 20, 2018, 09:13:34 AM
<snip>...An interesting thing to note - something like 90% of the people who come to hear him speak or watch his videos are guys.  It appears that personal responsibility resonates more with guys than girls.  (Then again, that may also be because he pointed out that at the same time the #MeToo movement was gaining traction, women were also making 50 Shades of Gray the fastest selling bestseller, which shows what women are really thinking.)

Watch out for Chapter 5, GQ.  Don't let your kids do anything that makes you dislike them.

It's really more than just that. He covers a lot of subject dealing with behavioral science and social dynamics. Certainly, his ascent had also garnered him his band of critics. Strangely as it may seem, this just arouses my curiosity. Then again, anything that cuts across the grain always catches my attention. The Tablet wrote an article dissecting what 'it' believes Dr. Jordan Peterson is really all about. You'd be hard pressed to read an article about someone so pestered with adjectives than this masturbatory journalistic jargon.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/262280/jordan-peterson

A wonderful exercise in verbosity...

FWIW, I can be a pretty good audience, but hardly a follower ready to don my blinders on just to be part of any alliance. My life is not empty. I don't latch blindlessly on popularism. I rely on my own faculties and perspectives. The rights and the wrongs are my own and always will be. I'm the owner of my life and living.

However, I do wonder at times about the dynamic of the 'what and why' in all of us. So subjective is our individuality, yet when observed from a distance, almost always are confined in groups in a much smaller divisions - usually pro/against. (Faux) Alliances made up of petty, temporary, and sometimes pretentious commonalities -  Adversarial made up of (mostly) trivialities, or even unjustified, irrelevant biasness. A crazed society where everyone craves validation, attention and justification.

You can witness this dynamic on this message board, or out in the big world. Finding comfort (sic) amongst those why agree with us, growth (sic) amongst those who do not.

He's touring. I'd like to at least get an opportunity to either read his book, or listen to him speak - with my personal conviction and instincts feelers out.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
oh BeeFarmer!!!

“...It is an appeal to an authority that does not exist....”

therefor doubly ironic for YOU of all people, to pretend to be one!

“one does not have to have children to be able to observe or understand behavior.”

here’s a simple analogy just for YOU!

Jane Goddall, has been living among wild chimpanzee and observing their behavior for decades.
you on the other hand, once spent 5 minutes watching some in the zoo.
according to you, the knowledge you derived from your 5 minute observation, would provide you with an equal or superior understanding to Jane Goddall’s understanding, and thus would allow you to tell her “the mistakes” she has made in her understanding.

BeeFarmer, you don’t possess the skills needed to even recognize YOUR OWN failure, let alone to try and recognize what you perceive (incorrectly) as someone else’s

your poor self-awareness has led you to VASTLY overestimate your own ability, and is why you consistently view yourself as better, more capable, and more knowledgeable than others, when the Truth is the exact opposite of this!



“Watch out for Chapter 5, GQ.  Don't let your kids do anything that makes you dislike them.”

GQ doesn’t have children BeeFarmer, so it’s a rather pointless statement to make to him, unless this was some kind of “dig” against him
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 20, 2018, 10:35:10 AM
You know this because..? Boethius told you so, or one of her relative?  ;)  A great Peterson subject!


It's very interesting to observe how you and and your cohorts are busy telling Bee Farmer he doesn't have a life, yet you folks are here 24/7. Not sure *I'm certain* what is more telling of reality.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 20, 2018, 10:39:28 AM
Leave me out of it.  You assume I betrayed your confidence, and I never did.


Incidentally, I happen to know Jordan Peterson, have since childhood.  The premier of the province as well.   
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 20, 2018, 10:40:50 AM

I was a child. Been there, done that. Makes me the expert on children. It's safe to say we're all experts.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 10:48:09 AM
I know this solely because of my own experience and judgement...
BO and I disagree on many things, it' one of the MANY reasons why I have such high regard for her

she and I each have our own subjective truth, but because of the depth of our life experiences
and the understanding this has created within us
we can see the truth in the subjective truth that others have, and how it's part of a "bigger truth"
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: Boethius on August 20, 2018, 10:51:05 AM
I really don't care if people disagree with me.  My husband disagrees with me on lots of issues.  Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed all the time.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 10:51:37 AM
uhhh whatever you and BO are talking about flew over my head, no idea, but I'm intrigued
not only as to the content of your "secret"
but the fact that she is your confidant

hmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 20, 2018, 10:55:07 AM
I really don't care if people disagree with me.  My husband disagrees with me on lots of issues.  Life would be pretty boring is we all agreed all the time.

 :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 20, 2018, 10:56:59 AM
I know this solely because of my own experience and judgement...
BO and I disagree on many things, it' one of the MANY reasons why I have such high regard for her

she and I each have our own subjective truth, but because of the depth of our life experiences
and the understanding this has created within us
we can see the truth in the subjective truth that others have, and how it's part of a "bigger truth"


Then I shall sit comfortably watching you wallow in your version of the 'truth'. With or without meds.

Life is funny in that way. So entertain me as you seem not to have much of anything else to do with your life these days.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
"yet you folks are here 24/7. Not sure *I'm certain* what is more telling of reality."

you are right, I'm a multi-tasker who creates their own virtual reality
I have 3 monitors on my desk
on one I'm doing schematic capture, the other editing and compiling and this one for entertainment
and each monitor will have multiple windows and applications
all simultaneously...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 20, 2018, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: Krimster2
.."yet you folks are here 24/7. Not sure *I'm certain* what is more telling of reality."

you are right, I'm a multi-tasker who creates their own virtual reality
I have 3 monitors on my desk
on one I'm doing schematic capture, the other editing and compiling and this one for entertainment
and each monitor will have multiple windows and applications
all simultaneously...

Intriguing! Please indulge as you seem to not have much else to do with your life these days than be on a campaign to tell everyone, unlike you, they have no life...( :P) Your constant presence here, understated as that may be, have been obvious for everyone that you have all day/night/weeks at your command, and seemingly the rest of your well-planned, fruitful, happy married life, man.  :-X

We won't need to keep count of your ensuing posts either because you know I know that you know there's really no there there. Reality sux that way.

So yeah, have at it cowboy. Impress us.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2018, 11:33:28 AM
You keep banging on about this. The votes done. Learn to live with it.

Says YOU..


I repeat ... the vote was to leave the EU - not how we would leave and what laws we'd keep / remove

In msmob world democracy is vote and vote again till you get the result you want.

Indeed - it is amazing how you jump to such ( bollox ) conclusions - given I've repeated I agree 'we' just voted to leave - but 'little' things like how to deal with the Irish border Q keep getting buried ...

This is THE point that will bite the brextremists in the ass - the circle that cannot be squared and it WILL - unless resolved - bring down the May govt
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: John Gaunt on August 20, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
Says YOU..


I repeat ... the vote was to leave the EU - not how we would leave and what laws we'd keep / remove
Finally, the light shines through. Nobody promised a vote on how we leave, just to leave or remain, so why do you keep repeating yourself. That was never on the table.
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Indeed - it is amazing how you jump to such ( bollox ) conclusions - given I've repeated I agree 'we' just voted to leave - but 'little' things like how to deal with the Irish border Q keep getting buried ...
Mobes favorite terminology.
and favorite non argument.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: msmob on August 20, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
Finally, the light shines through. Nobody promised a vote on how we leave, just to leave or remain, so why do you keep repeating yourself. That was never on the table.

Despite what Mrs May says - it is... Wait and see

Mobes favorite terminology.
and favorite non argument.
"This is THE point that will bite the brextremists in the ass - the circle that cannot be squared and it WILL - unless resolved - bring down the May govt"

It's not an argument ... it's a FACT ... the DUP want Brexit - but not a 'hard border' ... they can never accept that - as they will head for a melt-down if there's an election .... They will bring down Mrs May ( or whoever is the Tory leader)  to save their asses - if a 'no deal' scenario looks likely



Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 20, 2018, 04:24:47 PM
Just in case you think Bee Farmer is fanning the flames of racial divide. Here's some interesting facts.

Most gun violence is gang violence.
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/pages/welcome.aspx#gangs (http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/pages/welcome.aspx#gangs)
http://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america (http://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america)

Blacks representing 13% of the US population commit more than 51% of all murders and 53% of all robberies.
http://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43 (http://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43)


This past weekend just saw another 50+ victims of black-on-black shooting in the heavily gun-regulated city of Chicago. AGAIN.


Nowhere are spokespersons from Black Lives Matter, Al Sharpton, Maxine Watters, Obama, Henry Gates and Jesse Jackson seen or heard from. Black Football players are not heard from either.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: BillyB on August 20, 2018, 07:06:21 PM

This past weekend just saw another 50+ victims of black-on-black shooting in the heavily gun-regulated city of Chicago. AGAIN.


Nowhere are spokespersons from Black Lives Matter, Al Sharpton, Maxine Watters, Obama, Henry Gates and Jesse Jackson seen or heard from. Black Football players are not heard from either.

It's the perfect time to promote another gun law. I say we should make a law that says it's illegal to murder someone with a gun. I just know that law will save lives since criminals like to follow the law.

I've repeated I agree 'we' just voted to leave


Ever since the Brexit vote you've wanted to fight it, criticize it and ridicule it. You do not respect your fellow citizens. You do not have a grasp of the pulse of your nation. You've argued many times immigration wasn't an issue but I read your fellow citizens here say immigration was an issue to them. They wanted the UK to have more control over immigration but the STAY group didn't care and neither did the EU. The polls pointed to you winning so your side and the EU gambled it all and lost. If the EU granted UK more control over their future, it may have made the difference in the vote since the LEAVE won by 2%. No sense crying over spilt milk for more than a year. Time to move on without the EU holding your hand. They will cease to exist before the UK ceases to exist anyway.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 20, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
This past weekend just saw another 50+ victims of black-on-black shooting in the heavily gun-regulated city of Chicago. AGAIN.

Chicago hasn't had heavy gun regulations in a little while, try to keep up.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 20, 2018, 08:15:05 PM
It's the perfect time to promote another gun law. I say we should make a law that says it's illegal to murder someone with a gun. I just know that law will save lives since criminals like to follow the law.

Hey, maybe we should just get rid of gun laws altogether, get rid of the police too, how's that sound?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: krimster2 on August 20, 2018, 08:22:36 PM
i remember a study that was done back in the late 80s or early 90s, that showed most gun deaths were by a few specific calibers, I only spent 10 sec on google, but came up with something like this

http://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/TopTenTraced.jpg

so if you eliminated handguns you would eliminate most gun deaths, of course the choice of caliber might be “elastic” if one is not available another is substituted

but I believe if you outlawed handguns and handgun ammunition, you would greatly reduce firearm deaths while at the same time allowing white people to feel secure by allowing them to own long arms to keep at home

it’s less practical to commit crimes in public with weapons you can’t conceal
so while I don’t think eliminating handguns would eliminate gun deaths it would reduce them
let white people own long guns and ammo to “defend their home from minorities” and have the capability to defend the nation the next time the British invade New Orleans

get rid of the pistols and pistol ammo
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: DaveNY on August 20, 2018, 08:25:22 PM
Hey, maybe we should just get rid of gun laws altogether, get rid of the police too, how's that sound?

Many BLM activists and other activists for blacks want to get rid of police. I think this should be tested. Find a section of Chicago or perhaps Baltimore and let BLM or some other group act as the law within that area.

Problems I can see developing. Emergency responders such as fire and ambulance services may not want to respond without some armed escorts. Same may go for utilities such as gas, water, sewage, electric, etc.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: DaveNY on August 20, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
i remember a study that was done back in the late 80s or early 90s, that showed most gun deaths were by a few specific calibers, I only spent 10 sec on google, but came up with something like this

http://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/TopTenTraced.jpg

so if you eliminated handguns you would eliminate most gun deaths, of course the choice of caliber might be “elastic” if one is not available another is substituted

but I believe if you outlawed handguns and handgun ammunition, you would greatly reduce firearm deaths while at the same time allowing white people to feel secure by allowing them to own long arms to keep at home

it’s less practical to commit crimes in public with weapons you can’t conceal
so while I don’t think eliminating handguns would eliminate gun deaths it would reduce them
let white people own long guns and ammo to “defend their home from minorities” and have the capability to defend the nation the next time the British invade New Orleans

get rid of the pistols and pistol ammo

krimster what a racist idea. This is racist because long guns and their ammo are more expensive than hand guns and their ammo. Since minorities are poorer than whites this would disproportionately effect blacks and Hispanics. Therefore your idea is racist.

I'm sure BLM activists and their friends would give some similar reasoning for your racist post.   
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 21, 2018, 09:26:53 AM
Chicago hasn't had heavy gun regulations in a little while, try to keep up.


Typical liberal deflection. What does it matter when the last regulation took effect? Chicago is the 8th highest gun regulated in the US with a rating of B+. Hell, the 2nd amendment took effect 227 years ago, and despite futile efforts by liberals to amend/change it, doesn't mean it isn't still effective today.


But the cute thing about this is, you completely missed the point. Chicago is a wonderful case study of what happens when talking heads and politics muck-up our society. Those idiots I named above are as much responsible for the violence we see in Chicago and places like it. This isn't about 'guns'. This is about a highly politicized segment of our society and what can happen when people make stupid, senseless projections unto things that affect all of us.


Black on black crimes, by sheer numbers alone, overshadow any other 'race based' criminal offenses. When you have Obama calling a cop a jerk before he even knew what happened in the Gates' case, you divide the country. When you send Eric Holder to Ferguson to investigate a police shooting because the federal government felt they should intervene, you take away due process. To make that even worst, you reward a thug who perjured and started the silly 'hands up, don't shoot' crap by giving him a cushy public job he never earned, by memorializing a criminal that was Michael Brown, by causing the public to change their focus on those we rely on to keep peace - then you destroy the very tool we relied to maintain sanity on these cities.


Rahm Emmanuel sequestered his own police force for doing its job because of all the negative publicity and endless politicization of these tragedies. You don't need to wonder what can happen if we took away the police force, you can already see that in the streets of Baltimore, Chicago et al. The country never learned a damn thing in the LA Riots of the 90s.


Make matters worst, Sharpton, Watters, Jackson, Holder, & company ignore black-on-black violence because, frankly, there's no money to be made in these instances. So much for Black Lives Matter, right? Why aren't these idiots appear in places like Chicago making an effort to stop these nonsense if black lives really do matter? Who funds BLM?


This isn't about *guns*, this about numbnut liberals who couldn't care less what they pretend to care about, Unless there's money to be made.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 21, 2018, 01:42:42 PM
But the cute thing about this is, you completely missed the point. Chicago is a wonderful case study of what happens when talking heads and politics muck-up our society. Those idiots I named above are as much responsible for the violence we see in Chicago and places like it. This isn't about 'guns'. This is about a highly politicized segment of our society and what can happen when people make stupid, senseless projections unto things that affect all of us.

This isn't about *guns*, this about numbnut liberals who couldn't care less what they pretend to care about, Unless there's money to be made.

You're taking a VERY complex issue and blaming liberals. How useless and utterly unhelpful. 

Yes, 90% of blacks are killed by other blacks, but 84% of whites are killed by other whites, any discussion about this?

Crime is higher in poorer areas, of which large inner cities many, but violent crime in these areas is actually higher between whites than between blacks. Any discussion about this?
 
Whenever black politicians or BLM start talking about police violence against blacks or other race related disparities, conservatives love to distract everyone by bringing up black on black crime, then blame liberals.

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 21, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
You're taking a VERY complex issue and blaming liberals. How useless and utterly unhelpful. 

Yes, 90% of blacks are killed by other blacks, but 84% of whites are killed by other whites, any discussion about this?

Crime is higher in poorer areas, of which large inner cities many, but violent crime in these areas is actually higher between whites than between blacks. Any discussion about this?
 
Whenever black politicians or BLM start talking about police violence against blacks or other race related disparities, conservatives love to distract everyone by bringing up black on black crime, then blame liberals.

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137 (http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137)


Wrong again.


Tell me a conservative *talking head* that politicized, and blamed the liberal, when a trans-racial violent crime is committed in the same  manner liberals do when it happens, especially when it's a white-on-black / cops-on-blacks / martian-on-blacks, etc..Quick use Google. The algorthythm I'm certain is already set for you.


Even with your link, LESS THAN 10% of trans-racial, white/Hispanic/Asian-on-black violent crimes is committed. YET liberal talking heads are up in arms when it does happen. My question is - wtf HAPPENS to these idiots during the whopping 90% of the time of black-on-black violent crimes if Black Lives really Matter?


This dynamic LARGELY resides with Liberals, one which you cannot deny.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: mhr7 on August 21, 2018, 03:07:39 PM
Tell me a conservative *talking head* that politicized, and blamed the liberal, when a trans-racial violent crime is committed in the same  manner liberals do when it happens, especially when it's a white-on-black / cops-on-blacks / martian-on-blacks, etc.

When blacks are victims, do conservative "talking heads" even make mention of it in any way other than to blame liberals?

I'm not a BLM supporter and I understand your point but you can't fix/have a rational discussion about such complicated issues by reducing it to a liberal/conservative issue. Talking heads have never solved a problem their job is to fan the flames.


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Issues of Little Importance
Post by: GQBlues on August 21, 2018, 03:35:43 PM
Agreed. If you noticed, I intially referred to *talking head* with no political affiliation.

Unfortunately however, when tragic violent crime occurs, especially when it involves gun/race, you're almost assured an outflux of liberal talking heads from the likes of those I named above, liberal mainstream media, even sports figure the likes of LeBron James (remember Trevor Martin) comes out of the woodwork crying race and oppression. This reaction will last for days if not weeks. Deafening any recourse to mediate any future repeat and restoring trust, peace within our public facility. Instead such tragedies only become an opportunity for a quick means for social lottery payout for many.

Conservative talking head are not immune to idiotic banter either. Rush Limbaugh is at the top of that heap, especially when Joe Scalise was shot along with others. But these idiots don't litter the public domain in the manner the other side do.

Violent crimes are an abomination regardless of course, race or means. Period.