Why we stopped dating AW, volume 12

[Boethius]

Oh, and our daughter said she experienced the same in Italy, but it was gentler, just a "Ciao, bella", which I assume is flirty, nothing more aggressive.

[HoundDaddyLee]

Oh, and our daughter said she experienced the same in Italy, but it was gentler, just a "Ciao, bella", which I assume is flirty, nothing more aggressive.

Nice to know that when I smile and say "hi" to a woman, she thinks I am hitting on her. Seriously. I smile and say hi to men also. Maybe I am gay man hitting on him?


How did we get to this state that "North American Men" are either rapists or just haven't raped yet?


HDL

[Boethius]

It depends on the context. 

If you smile at a woman you have met in a social setting, it's fine. 

I don't know what the social cues are where you live.  Where I live, and in the American cities I have visited, if a man smiles and says hello to a random woman walking down the street, it is, 99/100 times, because he wants to start a conversation with her.  Or he wants to ask for money. 

I think you are overreaching with your statement on NA men being rapists.  However, think of it this way.  You are on a deserted city street in DC.  You have $1000 in your wallet and are wearing your Rolex.  You are walking to your hotel.  You don't have a gun.  Half a block from you, walking toward you, are two large young African American men, late teens or early twenties, in jeans and hoodies.  Does it cross your mind that they may rob you, or do you automatically think they are a couple of students going home and present you no danger?  Do you duck into the closest bar, or walk confidently past them?  That is the snap judgment women have to make all the time.  99.99 times out of 100, the African Americans passing you will just be kids going about their daily lives.  Same with 99.99 of 100 men a woman encounters.  But if the wrong snap judgment is made, life can be altered, or ended, in an instant.

[jone]

Nice to know that when I smile and say "hi" to a woman, she thinks I am hitting on her. Seriously. I smile and say hi to men also. Maybe I am gay man hitting on him?


How did we get to this state that "North American Men" are either rapists or just haven't raped yet?


HDL

Well, geeze, Lee, I dunno.

Maybe you shouldn't curl your hair and wear perfume.

[HoundDaddyLee]

Well, geeze, Lee, I dunno.

Maybe you shouldn't curl your hair and wear perfume.

What hair? And TMD has already called me smelly from not showering. 


HDL

[Larry1]

I had a female close friend who worked in the downtown area of a large city. she told me that she got catcalls regularly. But it was a phenomenon of the type mentioned in the fourth paragraph of reply 146 above. I won't mention it here so as to avoid triggering certain highly sensitive lefties.

she was a slender 6 foot tall (1.83) blond who had had a boob job. And before you howl in outrage, I don't think anyone should ever be catcalled. It's obnoxious.

[Gator]

My daughter, who is almost above average....

So you are from Lake Wobegon.  :-)

[ML]

He said 'almost.'

So they lived nearby Lake Wobegon.

[mhr7]

How did we get to this state that "North American Men" are either rapists or just haven't raped yet?


HDL

3rd wave feminism buddy, welcome to Hell

[vwrw]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".


I am sure AW are grateful that men with these expectations and attitude took themselves off the US dating market.    On behalf of AW - "Good riddance!!!"

[vwrw]

There are just two answers to the title question:


1) AW the man wants to date do not want to date him, and since it is a free country, he cannot force them to date him.


2) The man is looking for an adventure. Building a relationship with a person from another culture is full of unexpected moments, and that is challenging in good way.

[vwrw]

Kapitsa, the son of world renowned scientist physicist Pyotr Kapitsa, was a famous scientist in his own right.  When Putin came to power, Kapitsa was asked to examine the Russian educational system (higher learning).  His conclusion was that Russian education was "dead" and "useless".  In response, the Russian government started offering scholarships to study abroad to its brightest students, with the stipulation they must return to Russia.

 I agree with Kapitsa. Russian higher learning  is focused on  facts-memorization instead of teaching people to think for themselves. Knowing many "facts" without a well developed ability to think, analyze, and synthesize is useless. 

[mhr7]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".


I am sure AW are grateful that men with these expectations and attitude took themselves off the US dating market.    On behalf of AW - "Good riddance!!!"

My thoughts (or ramble) These are generalizations and my experience.

1. The reality is, men are attracted to beauty. But now there is a growing "fat acceptance" movement among WW and if men don't like it then they (men) have a problem. Tattoos aren't attractive at all and sweatpants and T-shirts (with muffin tops) aren't sexy. It's not about about starving yourself, it's a matter of looking good and being healthy. Many WW have just stopped trying to be attractive to men and expect them to accept it.

2. Young women who learn how to cook are a rarity anymore. I bet more AM know more about preparing a nice meal. Most of my male friends and I  actually enjoy cooking. The last AW I dated knew how to cook about 3 things and we ate them over and over and over. My niece is 16 and other than opening the package and placing the pop-tart in the toaster, she has no idea how to cook, neither does my sister-in-law. My brother does almost all the cooking.

They get degrees in art history, early childhood education, psychology or gender studies then complain about not making as much money as men (playing the victim is their new favorite game).

WW spend more time on their phones than they do breathing.

As HDL pointed out, ALL men are rapists or potential rapists.

WW are becoming less feminine and also becoming less happy. Coincidence? (I don't know)

Why do WM pursue FSUW? I think the answer is obvious to everyone but WW.

[2tallbill]

A man who is 24 years old can find a woman every bit as thin, attractive, educated,
etc. here in the West as he can find abroad. However, when a man is 40+ can find
a far superior woman in age, thinness, looks, education, etc. from the FSU.

Western women who 40+ are thin have become very picky because they can. None
of them could compete with my Russian wife. We went to a wedding several weeks
ago. I was eating at the reception savoring one of the cheese cakes spending a
little time trying to figure out who the second hottest woman was. I am married
to the first place girl and nobody including the bride would have disputed it.

I never reached a decision because Mini-me had decided that he needed to drive a
golf cart and I figured that he might need some help/supervision since he is only
18 months old and not very experienced at driving yet. 

[Slumba]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".


I am sure AW are grateful that men with these expectations and attitude took themselves off the US dating market.    On behalf of AW - "Good riddance!!!"

At what weight in this image, do you think a man should be happy with the girl?  197lbs?  124lbs? or something in between?



Do you think that a man should be exactly as proud of a girl at 197 as at 124? Assuming she was married to a man, would you say that she is putting in the same amount of effort in the relationship, at 197?

No one said "the woman gets nothing" in this thread.  But the division of assets always tends to benefit the woman (in 95% + of the cases).

The reason you are seeing a high amount of agreement with the men on this thread, is that every man either knows a friend or relative who was divorced and got "screwed over" ; or it happened in their own divorce.

(Men on this forum don't have the same level of agreement about politics, strategy to find an FSUW (WMVM / WOVO), Russia vs. Ukraine, guns, etc.)

[BillyB]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".

vwrw, are you still studying psychology in American institutions? Is this what they teach you and to go on attack towards people who think differently?

1) It's hard for me to get IT up for a woman that is overweight. If I can't get it up to insert it in 400lbs of fat, it's not fair to me or fair to a lady if I try to get into a relationship with her. Some people want me to accept that big women are beautiful. Won't happen. Also, nobody starves maintaining normal weight and looking sexy. Actually it's healthy physically and MENTALLY of one is at a normal weight. Men too can improve their looks and if they don't, they shouldn't expect to catch women.

2) How is a woman cooking, cleaning and raising kids taking care of a man's needs? It's her and the kids needs too? If a woman tells a man to go and work, is it a woman's need and she's selfish for telling him to do so? Everybody has a function in a marriage and it's best they not think the function they perform is an act of slavery but an act of love.

3) I know you're not always here but I always tell guys pay what is required by law and write in prenups language that follows the law and whether the wife works or doesn't work makes no difference. A guy should know what he's getting into before marriage. I told my ex's attorney our judge favors women based off his ruling. She told me all judges favor women and she recommends her male clients to settle and doesn't care how far her female clients take it. Judges have a lot of discretion to bend the law in family court. Feminists have also lobbied lawmakers to write laws favorable to women. If one or a few guys are bitching about the laws, we can dismiss them but there is a much bigger trend happening right now that we can't dismiss. Men are feeling marriage isn't worth it in this country. Although the population is growing, less people are getting married.  The more men feel marriage is a burden and the penalties for divorce are too great, the less motivated they will be to take a chance marrying a woman.

[treadmilldude]

Is it really necessary for an American Woman to "starve herself" to stay thin / slender? I didn't know it was.  I have dated many women from the gyms I have gone to in every city I have  lived. The ones I dated were all very thin. None of them starved themselves. They did, however, go to the gym and workout vigorously at least 5 days per week, on average. Some went 6 to 7 days per week. All were very thin. None of them "starved themselves", most had a very healthy appetite, in fact, eating 5 small meals spaced throughout the day.

It is very disappointing that so few American Women are willing to eat small portions, as well as bust ass at the gym on a regular basis. And yes, that is why so many AW are overweight and not attractive physically, to me.

The other points you made, I cannot comment on as I have never walked down the aisle.

[treadmilldude]

Slumba, the woman at 124 lbs looks....."OK". But she'd look much better at 108 lbs, in my opinion. She does not look terrible at 124, but she'd certainly be much hotter at about 108. I would not date her at 124. But most guys would, I guess.

[TigerPaws]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".


I am sure AW are grateful that men with these expectations and attitude took themselves off the US dating market.    On behalf of AW - "Good riddance!!!"

As for a number of the men I have come to know on this forum and as a American man married to an intelligent, well educated (Russian University & American Post Graduate) woman. Who has a desire to stay trim and look her best. Someone who enjoys being a friend, wife and mother to our daughter and a true traditional Lady.

I find it interesting that you as a professed AW follow and post on a Russian/FSU discussion forum about seeking, finding, dating/courting, marrying and living with a Russian/FSU Lady.

[Slumba]

Slumba, the woman at 124 lbs looks....."OK". But she'd look much better at 108 lbs, in my opinion. She does not look terrible at 124, but she'd certainly be much hotter at about 108. I would not date her at 124. But most guys would, I guess.

It seems in a later post, she felt 124 was "not maintainable".  So she went to 130:

[TigerPaws]

It depends on the context. 

If you smile at a woman you have met in a social setting, it's fine. 

I don't know what the social cues are where you live.  Where I live, and in the American cities I have visited, if a man smiles and says hello to a random woman walking down the street, it is, 99/100 times, because he wants to start a conversation with her.  Or he wants to ask for money. 

I think you are overreaching with your statement on NA men being rapists.  However, think of it this way.  You are on a deserted city street in DC.  You have $1000 in your wallet and are wearing your Rolex.  You are walking to your hotel.  You don't have a gun.  Half a block from you, walking toward you, are two large young African American men, late teens or early twenties, in jeans and hoodies.  Does it cross your mind that they may rob you, or do you automatically think they are a couple of students going home and present you no danger?  Do you duck into the closest bar, or walk confidently past them?  That is the snap judgment women have to make all the time.  99.99 times out of 100, the African Americans passing you will just be kids going about their daily lives.  Same with 99.99 of 100 men a woman encounters.  But if the wrong snap judgment is made, life can be altered, or ended, in an instant.

Prudence would dictate to step into the bar thus eliminating the possible threat. The same applies if you have a firearm. There are always alternatives, cross the street, as you suggested step into an open establishment but more importantly plan ahead and be aware of your surroundings so you do not place yourself in a position such as you describe.

 

[BC]

If ya want a woman who always looks good, won't gain a gram of weight, will look as young as the day you met, will always listen to you, never talk back, never spend a dime of yours, never have a headache and guaranteed to never divorce you....

Check out this agency...  http://tinyurl.com/gw85fkj

[Boethius]

As for a number of the men I have come to know on this forum and as a American man married to an intelligent, well educated (Russian University & American Post Graduate) woman. Who has a desire to stay trim and look her best. Someone who enjoys being a friend, wife and mother to our daughter and a true traditional Lady.

Well educated at a Russian university=oxymoron.

I find it interesting that you as a professed AW follow and post on a Russian/FSU discussion forum about seeking, finding, dating/courting, marrying and living with a Russian/FSU Lady.

Perhaps it is because she grew up in Russia, lived in Russia until her late twenties, still visits her family in Russia, yet has embraced her new country, that she is interested in this discussion forum.  That is her right, as it is of any other poster here.

[TigerPaws]

If ya want a woman who always looks good, won't gain a gram of weight, will look as young as the day you met, will always listen to you, never talk back, never spend a dime of yours, never have a headache and guaranteed to never divorce you....

Check out this agency...  http://tinyurl.com/gw85fkj

I have been married to such a Lady for over 16 years, she came from Russia.

[Boethius]

Young women who learn how to cook are a rarity anymore. I bet more AM know more about preparing a nice meal. Most of my male friends and I  actually enjoy cooking. The last AW I dated knew how to cook about 3 things and we ate them over and over and over. My niece is 16 and other than opening the package and placing the pop-tart in the toaster, she has no idea how to cook, neither does my sister-in-law. My brother does almost all the cooking.

That is your brother's fault (if the is the one who cooks).  He should have taught your niece how to cook.