My view of the war

[Doll]

East of Azov.

[Doll]

That map shows the Kuban Oblast(west of the Sea of Azov) of Ukraine as red..


 It's Ukrainian or at least it was until Russia annexed it as it did Krym twice now.

[AkMike]

Right it's east..     BUT it was part of Ukraine before the socialist Russians took it away like they did Krym the first time.. Not the time this year.

[AkMike]

First one is a map of Ukraine in 1918..


 Second is after the Soviet stole massive amounts of Ukraine by 1919.


 Now Huilostan has stolen Krym once again and still wants more death and land just as Stalin wanted.

[AkMike]

What a nightmare!

[Boethius]

Boethius really?  You disagree with AC?  And how sis West Ukraine benefit especially when part of it is Hungarian?

Yes, I disagree with him.  The issue is what the disaffected residents of the region believe.  I never stated I agreed with it, just that I understand it.

[Doll]

First one is a map of Ukraine in 1918..


 Second is after the Soviet stole massive amounts of Ukraine by 1919.


 

Ukraine was a part of USSR. Who stole what?
It is like saying the US stole Frlorida.
People, read something, will you?
History of Kuban, Crimea.

[lordtiberius]

They cut the heating off in the hospitals

[AkMike]

Ukraine was a part of USSR. Who stole what?
It is like saying the US stole Frlorida.
People, read something, will you?
History of Kuban, Crimea.

 Then why is Huilotin claiming the Kruschev illegally gave/reunited Krym to Ukraine in 1954 and now is taking it back to right the wrong?

 

[AC]

Then why is Huilotin claiming the Kruschev illegally gave/reunited Krym to Ukraine in 1954 and now is taking it back to right the wrong?

Because Putin in particular and Russians in general are dishonest thuggish type of people who can only "gain" something by stealing it from their neighbors.  Russia has stolen the history of Ukraine but that's not enough now they want to steal more land from Ukraine.

Stirlitz touched on this in one of his posts (the true nature of the Russian government and Russian people in general)

It's not like Russians have ever made much of anything -- they stole the aircraft designs for their MIG's from Germans who they captured near the end of WWII.

They still do not produce much of anything, at least not without help from the West European powerhouses like Germany.

Most of their land -- the land of the largest country in the World, is fallow so they must import many foodstuffs.

Putin is a thug and a thief who rules a kleptocracy.



This is a quotation from commercial member Stirlitz (made on Sept 17, 2014):

"Thank you. Prejudices are widespread. For some reason, Russians always believed they were the big brother of Ukrainians, although it is the other way around as you can see from the movie map. When Rus was a big state, Moscow did not even exist.

In my view it is a complex of a bad boy who gets bad marks and is despised at school so he joins a bad company, learns how to beat and humiliate and takes revenge on decent boys who are too civil to use his ways and fight with him. He beats them one by one taking advantage of their lack of mean skills and attempts to solve issues by talking, and claims that he is tough and they are losers and sissies who deserve to be beaten and robbed by someone who is stronger or just clever at dirty tricks. Russians realize subconsciousnessly that they are a loser nation and although few of them admit it, they are all uncomfortable about it one way or another (again, without even realizing it). So they need to find someone to direct their hidden anger at. Ukrainians fit this role perfectly.


Sure, it contributes to the conflict. I would even say that Russian Nazism is blossoming. Aimed at Ukrainians now although they also target Georgians, Chechens, peoples of Central Asia and anyone else that Putin wants them to attack. I suspect that this attitude is pumped by the Kremlin propaganda purposefully besides what I explained above. For example, a movie where some guys suddenly get to the past ending up in the middle of a WWII fighting. Some of them are Russians, some are Ukrainians. The movie shows the UPA (Ukrainian Rebel Army) shooting civilians. It is a popular lie by the Kremlin (in fact, it was NKVD units who changed uniforms and posed as the UPA committing atrocities so that the local population stopped supporting the UPA) but when you see it for the umpteenth time in a movie you start to believe it even if you do not think much of it. But you subconsciousness remembers it, and when a TV report claims that fascists are at power in Kiev you are likely to believe it without much criticism because you have..."


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17913.msg377082#msg377082

[lordtiberius]

300% agree

[Faux Pas]

Thanks for talking about 'nothing'...much better than your absolute predictions about the future.

Fathertime!

More.........nothing

[lordtiberius]

More.........nothing

This is boring.  Please stop.

[Doll]

Because Putin in particular and Russians in general are dishonest thuggish type of people   
 

it's your opinion, not a fact

[AC]

it's your opinion, not a fact

It's a fact that even though Russia occupies the largest land mass of any country in the World and Russia needs to import nearly 50% of their foodstuffs because so much Russian land is fallow instead of being properly farmed, that your "dear leader" has instead of working on improving his own mediocre country instead illegally grabbed property from a smaller neighbor.

Russia:  a kleptocracy run by thugs and thieves who don't produce anything that the World needs other than gas and oil.  Let's see how that works out over time.   

[AkMike]

History, both old and newer tends to support this with many instances. Ukraine is just the latest one.

[lordtiberius]

it's your opinion, not a fact

Coolio ft. L.V - Gangsta's Paradise (Official Mus…:

[Belvis]

Woman from Donetsk. She is not a militant really, her husband is in rebel militia.


Newly-married couple of Novorussia. I'm not sure they're real fighters, but such photos  become a trend there:

[AC]

Proof positive that some of the Russian terrorists fighting a war against Ukraine (on the sovereign lands of Ukraine) are Nazi's (a Russian Police Sergeant, who is a member of the illegal NAZI party in Russia):

Груз-200 Павлов Святослав Юрьевич 14.12.1992-15.09.2014; г. Минеральные Воды Ставропольского края
 В блогах он прославился как "российский диверсант и террорист, сержант полиции МВД РФ. Воюет (уже воевал, то бишь) в Луганской области на стороне террористов" (1). Также утверждается (1), что Павлов состоял в Славянском Союзе - в нашей подборке это уже второй полицейский РФ (см. груз-200 Воронцов Павел(2)), принадлежавший к экстремистской и законодательно запрещенной в РФ национа...


Cargo-200 Pavlov Svyatoslav Yurievich 14.12.1992-15.09.2014; Mineralnye Vody in the Stavropol region in blogging it became known as the "Russian commando and terrorist, the RUSSIAN MINISTRY of the INTERIOR police sergeant. Fights (already had fought, I mean) in Luhansk region on the side of the terrorists "(1). It is also alleged (1) that Pavlov was a Slavic Union-in our collection this is the second police officer of the Russian Federation (see load-200 Vorontsov, Paul (2)), which belonged to the extremist and legally prohibited in the RUSSIAN FEDERATION of the National Socialist Organization.
 references: (1) http://terroristsinukraine.blogspot.com/2014/08/blog-post_79.html

 (2) http://www.facebook.com/groups/gruz200/permalink/566050073520751/http://vk.com/svyatoslav.pavlov http://odnoklassniki.ru/profile/559184247641

 profiles: (Translated by Bing)

[lordtiberius]

http://ukrainewarlog.blogspot.com/2014/10/violent-kiev-clashes-provocation.html?m=1

Meet Julia Tselinskaya operating under the Nom de Guerra Kharmalova and known associate or lover perhaps of Alexey Milchakov.  In addition to being an agent provocateur, this 25 year old married housewife with a kid is Nazi.  She makes Anna Chapman look like the Bruce Jenner of the Khardasian family.

[Faux Pas]

This is boring.  Please stop.

Absolutely I will! Just as soon as you stop opening and fueling war and killing threads. Those are much more boring than anything that has graced this Russian woman discussion forum. Agreed?

[LAman]

Absolutely I will! Just as soon as you stop opening and fueling war and killing threads. Those are much more boring than anything that has graced this Russian woman discussion forum. Agreed?

This is a 'Russian women discussion forum' ???????  Since when????

[Faux Pas]

This is a 'Russian women discussion forum' ???????  Since when????

Yeah I don't recognize it myself most days either

[Muzh]

Well Ranetka, I'm sure a lot of people feel similarly as you do. From the reading I've done there is certainly more than one side to this story.


Fathertime!   

Actually,that was your idea of a win-win situation you hypocrite.


Boy, FP is right. You are just full of hot air and passive-aggressiveness.

[Muzh]

Not in donbass. On maidan. Guns, chains, Molotov cocktails. That thing called revolution always results in bloody civil war. The one where Kiev and galicia decided for all Ukrainians.

Ahem, the last I saw them local people in the Donbas carrying Russian flags, they were claiming to be Russians, not Ukrainians.