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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #700 on: January 27, 2016, 08:28:30 AM »
Bild is not exactly a neutral media source, for starters.

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It is alleged that virtually the entire civil state budget of the separatist territories is organized via funds for “humanitarian aid” from Russia. The Russian government coordinates these money sources.

Very true--Russia has financed the uprising and conflict from the outset. I am amazed at the stupidity of Russians who somehow think that Kyiv should continue to financially support a region that has decided to declare independence. If they truly wish to be part of New Russia, then have the intelligence to understand that you cannot expect to keep feeding off those you wish to leave. If you really love Russia so much, then yes, expect V. Putin to pay your expenses.

What is important to understand is that Russia didn't just rush in and help as latecomers. No, Russia has been the instigator and financial backer of the rebels from day one.

Also, what new factories has Russia built in the rebel areas?

What airports has Russia rebuilt in the rebel areas?

After bombing the crap out of local population areas, show us the brand new apartments that Russia is building.

You can't -- because Russia is not yet willing to put that kind of money into the rebel regions until they know how it will end.




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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #701 on: January 27, 2016, 09:44:20 AM »
I am amazed at the stupidity of Russians who somehow think that Kyiv should continue to financially support a region that has decided to declare independence.
Yeah, stupid Russians are proposing Kiev to take back the rebel region under condition Kiev will
financially support the region and rebuild the wrecked regional economy .   
Fortunately, Kiev is much smarter than Moscow and  refusing the offer  :D 

If you really love Russia so much, then yes, expect V. Putin to pay your expenses.
Fair deal. He that pays the piper calls the tune. It seems Mendy has no objections to Putin will take  Donbass.

After bombing the crap out of local population areas, show us the brand new apartments that Russia is building.
You can't --
Yes, I can :) Do you hear anything about the plan to build and rebuild over 100 houses in Debaltsevo? First of them are shown at youtube.
May be I have misunderstood you, and you meant the brand new apartments like in Beverly Hills? Then you're right, I can't show  :-[

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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #702 on: January 27, 2016, 02:42:35 PM »
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rebuild over 100 houses in Debaltsevo

Belvis, you are quite the useless troll. I hope that Peskov pays you well.

Okay, by Debaltsevo, I'm assuming that you mean that community that was "hands off" due to the cease fire in Minsk2 agreements, but Russian troops (yep, regular Russian army) forgot about the deadline and pressed on ahead all the while ignoring the cease fire until they took Debaltsevo--a strategic transport hub.

Please post the videos you reference. I'm up for a good laugh.

Next, since Russian troops clearly hold the Donbas airport, and don't mumble any bullshit about Vlad fearing the Kyiv forces will come back and retake it, so kindly post the videos of Russia rebuilding that facility while you're at it. You might want to have Dmitry film some video quickly because I'm waiting....
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #703 on: January 27, 2016, 03:01:50 PM »
Belvis, your fearless leader isn't all that bright sometimes. He has an overworked ego, even thought things have tempered down a tad after the shadowy security forces have been leaning on him lately.

During the war with Georgia he played a really good game of "we had nothing to do with that, we simply responded." Of course, why else would the Russian foreign ministry invite the press down to the eventual battlefront several days in advance of the "surprise" war? But, just in time for the 2012 change in government he was on TV taking credit for ordering that war. In fact, he claimed that Georgia had somehow established terror training camps in (Russian held) Abkhazia in advance of the Olympics, and he was simply rooting out the terrorists.

Then we had the coup in Crimea. Little green men fell out of unmarked helicopters and took over. They sacked the pro-Russian Crimean parliament and overnight, without an election, suddenly a brand new Prime Minister and parliament appeared. Magical! Good ole Sergey Aksyonov is quite the Crimean leader. Why Belvis, you can only imagine my shock to learn that he is widely linked to Russian criminal organizations! (Gasp!)

For months, your leader swore on his mother's grave that those were not Russian troops at all. He claimed that they were simply good citizens who had strolled down to the corner army surplus store and snatched up all manner of sophisticated goodies--from modern helicopters to shoulder held missile launchers.

Oh, but he just couldn't help himself. In 2015 he slipped and admitted that those were his boys. In fact we learned that the Kremlin had conducted polling, months in advance of the events on Maidan, to see how local Crimeans would react to a change in which flag flew over the region. Damn, you have no idea at the level of my surprise!

It would seem that we have a pretty clear pattern emerging here. I mean, there is Transnistria as another example, following the same pattern.

So here is a wager for you: When do you believe that your guy will come out and admit that his boys were not just on "holiday" in Eastern Ukraine, but were there at his order?

I'll put $100 American dollars, which is a big sum for a little player like yourself right now, that within 6 months of any resolution in Eastern Ukraine that he will come clean. He has too--it is the ego factor that is one of his greatest weaknesses.

Are you up to the challenge?
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #704 on: January 28, 2016, 07:11:28 AM »
Belvis, you are quite the useless troll. I hope that Peskov pays you well.

Do you hint you want the job from Peskov? I don't think he'll hire you, you know, devaluation of ruble has halved the budget for foreing trolls. Will you agree on 50% cut in your pay rate for a post?

Please post the videos you reference. I'm up for a good laugh.

Will you acknowledge the houses are built or rebuilt on Russian money after video or continue to play the fool game? My efforts will take some time so I want the clear obligation from you that you're able to face the reality you don't like.

Next, ... , so kindly post the videos of Russia rebuilding that facility while you're at it. You might want to have Dmitry film some video quickly because I'm waiting....

What else do you want? Please, write a full list of your wishes so I can start to work on it.

I'll put $100 American dollars, which is a big sum for a little player like yourself right now, that within 6 months of any resolution in Eastern Ukraine that he will come clean. He has too--it is the ego factor that is one of his greatest weaknesses.
Are you up to the challenge?
OK, let's bet on. Because we're mortal, and nobody knows when the resolution  in Eastern Ukraine will come, I propose we turn on the timer from 1 Feb. 2016.
Deal?

P.S. Of course, under his boys we account for military units. Because Putin already  admitted the presence of Russian military specialists in eastern Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #705 on: January 28, 2016, 11:50:02 AM »
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OK, let's bet on. Because we're mortal, and nobody knows when the resolution  in Eastern Ukraine will come, I propose we turn on the timer from 1 Feb. 2016.
Deal?

Easy bet. From 6 months of any accepted Ukrainian resolution on the Donbas question, Putin will admit not only "specialists" but regular troops. (We might note that he at first lied about any Russian presence in Ukraine before his recent admission of special forces.)
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #706 on: February 03, 2016, 10:53:08 PM »

Ukraine's economic minister resigns citing there is still too much corruption at the highest levels of government to improve Ukraine's economy. This concerns Western nations who have provided financial assistance to Ukraine so they can get back on their feet. Ukraine is looking like a bad investment. When Ukrainians ousted their old president, I said they made a mistake when they didn't oust anybody else in government. They should have ousted everybody and started over.


http://www.businessinsider.com/ukraines-economy-minister-aivaras-abromavicius-resignation-reasons-2016-2


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-blow-to-ukraines-reform-hopes-top-official-resigns-citing-corruption/2016/02/03/abcf4f89-0107-4b5d-bc18-e33194dd7044_story.html


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Re: Ukraine-The Future-No-Future
« Reply #707 on: February 04, 2016, 07:28:00 AM »
two articles worth reading, written by Ukrainians currently living in Ukraine for Ukrainians

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=uk&u=http://nashigroshi.org/2016/01/16/torik-v-ukrajini-zhodnoho-koruptsionera-ne-zasudyly-za-nezakonne-

Ukrainian criminal code has a special section on corruption with an amount over $8,500. 
Question: How many Ukrainian officials were charged with this crime in 2015?
Answer: Zero!

Question: Why is that?
Answer: read this post
http://www.bellingcat.com/uncategorized/2016/01/27/osint-research-methods-utilized-in-ukrainian-corruption-investigation/

At what point should the West just give up on Ukraine?

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Re: Ukraine-The Future-No-Future
« Reply #708 on: February 04, 2016, 02:18:18 PM »

At what point should the West just give up on Ukraine?

Sad, but the West may soon reach a point where it will not give more aid to Ukraine.  If that happens, I assume Ukraine would slip back into Putin's sphere of control.

Think of the patriots who died at the Maidan protests.    Or the young soldiers killed in defense of SE Ukraine from the Russian-backed rebels.  Returning to Putin would mean all died in vain.

South Vietnam had much corruption.  Within a few days of "liberating" Saigon,  the North Vietnamese started executing black marketeers, corrupt officials and the like.  Soon all such corruption ceased.  Today Communist Vietnam is a success story.   

Along the same line, Ukraine needs to arrest and punish harshly several corrupt officials starting with the sleazebag in the article.  And keep doing it until it ends.  Evidently no one has the balls to start arresting the corrupt muckety mucks. 

 

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Re: Ukraine-The Future-No-Future
« Reply #709 on: February 04, 2016, 03:38:34 PM »
Think of the patriots who died at the Maidan protests.    Or the young soldiers killed in defense of SE Ukraine from the Russian-backed rebels.  Returning to Putin would mean all died in vain.



They wanted to get rid of their ex president and corruption but decided to keep their local politicians. Big mistake. They should have rid them all and started over.


Today Communist Vietnam is a success story.
 


Vietnam is still one of the poorest counties in the world. They realize the benefits of Capitalism and tourism but that is not enough to be considered a success. If a guy went there, he may see a person crapping on the sidewalk and a dog eating the crap. People aren't the only ones hungry. Dogs are skinny and a fat dog is a dead dog. you'll see road construction where the heavy equipment is parked and men doing the labor. It's cheaper to hire hundreds of workers than to burn diesel in an excavator. You'll see men diving in a polluted river and bring up mud and sift through it for valuables. They hold their breath for over a minute at a time and do this work all day. Shoe maker Nike took some heat for paying their workers a dollar a day but that was good money to the average worker in Vietnam.


When my mom was returning home from a visit there, she asked the taxi driver to stop in a poor section of town and she gave each family in the neighborhood $10. One man dropped to his knees crying. He never seen so much money at one time and said God must have sent my mom. For him a miracle had happened.


My aunts and uncles came to America from Vietnam. They all became engineers and make around $100,000 each. Their kids recently graduate college and make $75,000 on up to start. They were fascinated by a remote control car I had when I was 13. They said if a person had that in Vietnam, they'd be arrested. They also told me They would not be able to reach their full potential in Vietnam. Unless they were rich or knew sombody in politics they would not be able to go to college. Some of my relatives help make nuclear fuel for our military and reactors and engineer planes for Boeing. In Vietnam, they wouldn't amount to much. Communism sucks.
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Western Ambassadors unhappy about Abromavičius departure
« Reply #710 on: February 04, 2016, 09:48:00 PM »
We are deeply disappointed by the resignation of Minister for Economic Development and Trade, Aivaras Abromavičius, who has delivered real reform results for Ukraine.  During the past year, Abromavičius and his professional team have made important strides -- implementing tough but necessary economic reforms to help stabilize Ukraine’s economy, root out endemic corruption, bring Ukraine into compliance with its IMF program obligations, and promote more openness and transparency in government. Ukraine’s stable, secure and prosperous future will require the sustained efforts of a broad and inclusive team of dedicated professionals who put the Ukrainian peoples' interests above their own. It is important that Ukraine's leaders set aside their parochial differences, put the vested interests that have hindered the country's progress for decades squarely in the past, and press forward on vital reforms.

Ambassador of Canada Roman Waschuk
Ambassador of the Republic of France Isabelle Dumont
Ambassador of the Federal Republic of Germany Christof Weil
Ambassador of  Italy Fabrizio Romano
Ambassador of Japan Shigeki Sumi
Ambassador of Lithuania Marius Janukonis
Ambassador of Sweden Andreas von Beckerath
Ambassador of Switzerland Guillaume Scheurer
Ambassador of the United Kingdom Judith Gough
Ambassador of the United States of America Geoffrey R. Pyatt
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Re: Ukraine-The Future-No-Future
« Reply #711 on: February 04, 2016, 11:02:26 PM »

They wanted to get rid of their ex president and corruption but decided to keep their local politicians. Big mistake. They should have rid them all and started over.



Vietnam is still one of the poorest counties in the world. They realize the benefits of Capitalism and tourism but that is not enough to be considered a success. If a guy went there, he may see a person crapping on the sidewalk and a dog eating the crap. People aren't the only ones hungry. Dogs are skinny and a fat dog is a dead dog. you'll see road construction where the heavy equipment is parked and men doing the labor. It's cheaper to hire hundreds of workers than to burn diesel in an excavator. You'll see men diving in a polluted river and bring up mud and sift through it for valuables. They hold their breath for over a minute at a time and do this work all day. Shoe maker Nike took some heat for paying their workers a dollar a day but that was good money to the average worker in Vietnam.


When my mom was returning home from a visit there, she asked the taxi driver to stop in a poor section of town and she gave each family in the neighborhood $10. One man dropped to his knees crying. He never seen so much money at one time and said God must have sent my mom. For him a miracle had happened.


My aunts and uncles came to America from Vietnam. They all became engineers and make around $100,000 each. Their kids recently graduate college and make $75,000 on up to start. They were fascinated by a remote control car I had when I was 13. They said if a person had that in Vietnam, they'd be arrested. They also told me They would not be able to reach their full potential in Vietnam. Unless they were rich or knew sombody in politics they would not be able to go to college. Some of my relatives help make nuclear fuel for our military and reactors and engineer planes for Boeing. In Vietnam, they wouldn't amount to much. Communism sucks.

I want to kiss you in that totally non-homosexual way (especially for that last sentence).  It absolutely infuriates me when people try to glorify and romanticize communism. The single best thing that happened to me in my life was getting the hell out of it and moving to a capitalist country.

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Re: Ukraine-The Future-No-Future
« Reply #712 on: February 05, 2016, 07:01:05 PM »

It absolutely infuriates me when people try to glorify and romanticize communism.



On paper Communisms sounds great for people but in practice, and it's been practiced many times, it fails. Some ex pats live in Communist countries and if you ask them, life is great there. Of course it is. Their American dollars goes very far and the girls are throwing themselves at Western men. They are kings but citizens who live under Communists ideals and leaders suffer.
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #713 on: February 05, 2016, 07:52:44 PM »
Anyone listening to BillyB and is inane comments will give themselves a headache.
What happened in Vietnam or the Phillipines has little relevance to the thread topic--other than its shows what a convoluted mind the guy has.
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #714 on: February 06, 2016, 02:07:40 AM »
Saudi Arabia invests in Ukraine more than $ 10 billion
Unfortunately, 9.9 billion of that will go into someone's pocket. Have you ever been to Russia Jay? Do you know how much better life is here compared to Ukraine?

I don't see much progress being made in Ukraine, it's pretty much the same old song and dance. I've spent a lot of time in Ukraine, including the recent holidays, and life there for most folks isn't improving at all it's getting worse. My friends are eating porridge, bread and salami because its all they can afford much of the time. Their rent is $60 a month and they struggle to pay that. Even if all needed improvements are made, it will be a long time before life is good there for the average citizen.

I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by relying on media that doesn't paint a real picture.
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #715 on: February 06, 2016, 03:20:28 AM »
Unfortunately, 9.9 billion of that will go into someone's pocket. Have you ever been to Russia Jay? Do you know how much better life is here compared to Ukraine?

I don't see much progress being made in Ukraine, it's pretty much the same old song and dance. I've spent a lot of time in Ukraine, including the recent holidays, and life there for most folks isn't improving at all it's getting worse. My friends are eating porridge, bread and salami because its all they can afford much of the time. Their rent is $60 a month and they struggle to pay that. Even if all needed improvements are made, it will be a long time before life is good there for the average citizen.

I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by relying on media that doesn't paint a real picture.

Thanks for your condescending post.
Better than Ukraine? Wait  a while and then tell me that.The damage being done to Russia by Putin is likely to change that soon enough.The Ukrainians stood up and faced a corrupt government-and demanded change. That previous corrupt government was by and large courtesy of Russia-- and if Putin had his way Ukrainians would be facing a lifetime of struggle. At least now-the struggle has a light at the end of the tunnel.  No one has said it will be over in 5 minutes--and the real test in Ukraine is now for the government to hold it's nerve and take the country forward.
In doing that-the real art of staying in government is the compromises that have to be made- at any time a difficult balancing act. For Ukraine-facing so many issues at once has been no easy task.
As it happens-I have been in Russia numerous times-- dating back long before the invasion of Ukraine. I have been dealing with Russians even longer-- so really-- stick your presumptions  about me-- or my sources. From time to time-I am privy to information not in the public domain and I am hardly likely to be using that information until I see it in print somewhere.
" I've spent a lot of time in Ukraine, including the recent holidays"--is that meant to qualify your bona fides to "know"-- not exactly logical-- but I pretty sure I have spent far more time there than you-multiples  .So what was your point?
I am acutely aware how difficult life is( and has been) for ordinary Ukrainians-- and I am pretty damn sure I have talked with and seen far more than you can imagine  in recent times .So please-- save your pious attitude.

Your logic is as ridiculous as BillyB--include a glad bag of negatives included that are  not relevant to support an opinion.You have no idea whatsoever where that money will be placed-none.
Corruption is a fact of life-- and it is something many are trying to address. There is nothing good about it .Yes-it is an ongoing battle--in case you missed it I have commented at length recently on that.

There is no logic in revisiting every negative ( the same negative) and repeating it to meet every piece of positive news . The thread topic--is about the future. The title does suggest change- something that some here do not seem capable of understanding.

The links I post-- in a general way-- support my assertion that change is happening  and they are of general interest to expand understanding.  It illustrates that Ukraine is attractive to foreign investment and it is coming- something that is not happening in Russia right now.
Now I have said this before-- It makes me laugh when a poster says "I talked to my family"  or "friend"  and from that we get bombed with this all seeing understanding of what is going on in Ukraine.Taking a small(  tiny?) few views is going to mislead you -at the least.Many in Ukraine are too busy surviving and doing the hard part-- as a result of the decisions being made.  eg the rising cost of utilities is a result of IMF demands on the government to end subsidies  of utilities etc. The aim is to move to a free market economy -hopefully in a democratic country.  Making life harder for your constituents is not a course taken successfully by many governments.

The only reason I have bothered to reply at all is because you do have a history of common sense  posting(yes-I read!)-
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #716 on: February 06, 2016, 10:38:30 AM »
Thanks for your condescending post.
Better than Ukraine? Wait  a while and then tell me that.The damage being done to Russia by Putin is likely to change that soon enough.The Ukrainians stood up and faced a corrupt government-and demanded change. That previous corrupt government was by and large courtesy of Russia-- and if Putin had his way Ukrainians would be facing a lifetime of struggle. At least now-the struggle has a light at the end of the tunnel.  No one has said it will be over in 5 minutes--and the real test in Ukraine is now for the government to hold it's nerve and take the country forward.

There is nothing condescending about my post, stop being so sensitive and insecure.

Russia's GDP is light years ahead of Ukraine's and I doubt that will change in our lifetime. Ukraine's government is still corrupt and that light at the end of the tunnel is a LONG ways off. I love Ukraine (I used to live there) and wish it the best but I don't have much optimism. Its had 25 years to do something with itself and not much has happened.
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Re: Ukraine-The Future
« Reply #717 on: February 06, 2016, 02:46:11 PM »
Timothy Ash has an interesting article at Kyiv Post.

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« Reply #718 on: February 06, 2016, 03:00:21 PM »
what? I don't understand, Timothy Ash lives in Oxford, England, which although it is a very charming place, is NOT Ukraine, I thought the only acceptable source of knowledge about Ukraine was exclusively from someone who lived there, has that policy changed, I don’t recall having received the memo.  I’ll take a lack of response from you to mean you’re too busy watching porn to reply...

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« Reply #719 on: February 07, 2016, 05:29:24 AM »
what? I don't understand, Timothy Ash lives in Oxford, England, which although it is a very charming place, is NOT Ukraine, I thought the only acceptable source of knowledge about Ukraine was exclusively from someone who lived there, has that policy changed, I don’t recall having received the memo.  I’ll take a lack of response from you to mean you’re too busy watching porn to reply...

Krimster,
just ignore him.  Without sources or his/her own personal thoughts and contribution, posts are totally worthless.  Responding only 'hardens' the little one ;)

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« Reply #720 on: February 07, 2016, 07:18:22 AM »
well thank you BC, all ist Klar!

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« Reply #721 on: February 07, 2016, 07:24:30 AM »
well thank you BC, all ist Klar!
ja, alles klar :)

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« Reply #722 on: February 07, 2016, 10:03:35 AM »
Warum unterhalten Sie Männer in deutscher Sprache auf dieser Website ?
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« Reply #723 on: February 07, 2016, 10:30:02 AM »
warum nicht?

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« Reply #724 on: February 07, 2016, 02:55:15 PM »
>>Ukrainian elites thoroughly penetrated by Russian moles

oh my, the return of Kim Philby or is zoophilia?  such a bold assertion without supplying even a shred of proof.  so let’s see if I can follow the trail and see where it may lead to...

some feller in Ukraine says Ukraine’s problems are all caused by Russia
meanwhile other fellers in Russia claim all of Russia’s problems are caused by Americans. 
so ipso-facto, an inescapable conclusion is that all of Ukraine’s problems are actually caused by Americans!  amazing stuff!!!

So let’s see in our last installment of Ukrainska Pravda we learned that reformist Economy Minister Aivaras Abromavicius has resigned over charges of corruption against Poroshenko’s friend Ihor Kononenko ( the first deputy chairman of the faction Block Petro Poroshenko in the Rada), now remember Abromavicius was one of the non-Ukrainians appointed by Poroshenko to his position because there are very, very few trust-worthy politicians in Ukraine, his predecessor, Pavlo Sheremeta, also resigned in August 2014, for the same reason, when Abromavicius publicly announced his resignation he said,  “...it turned out that some of the new people are even worse than the old." 

The credibility of the Ukrainian elite is massively damaged. Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Groysman spoke of a "serious political crisis".

Together with the Minister several of his deputies also resigned, "Neither I nor my team want to cover the obvious corruption or puppets from people who want to control the state money in the style of the old rulers," Aivaras said. "I do not want to go to Davos, meet foreign investors and partners and tell them about our successes, while behind my back individuals assert their interests."

Aivaras is not the only foreigner from the reformer team who expresses his criticism of the Ukrainian elite loud. Former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, who is now governor of the Odessa region, said in regards to the government of Yatsenyuk called it a "cemetery of reforms". Late last year, he had the interior minister called publicly as "a thief".

If this crisis continues to deepen, the result may be that the IMF will continue to delay their dispersement of $1.7 billion of funds to Ukraine, especially since the last payment of $1.8 billion was actually stolen by another Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoiski.

There is even talk of a vote of no confidence in the current government.  Meanwhile evidence mounts that there is a growing Russian military build up in the East, coincidence??








 

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