Music I love

[Seeker]

Ya, I agree with you.  Dissonance: it's the sound that sets the fight or flight mechanism into play.  In the hands of a skilled composer it becomes an instrument that complicates a piece, setting the senses on edge.  Most often though it's just the sound and fury, signifying nothing but still stirring up the asinine element, at least until the song is over.

Poulenc is undiscovered territory for me so I appreciated the link.  Some how it made me think of Schumann:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUa1JA1oZQI[/youtube] 

At the end is the famous Traumerei.

Very nice.  And it brought back some memories.  And no, I am not that old!  Well, yes I am I guess... 

[Sculpto]

what's he really mean?

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[Seeker]

what's he really mean?

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I was born in Oakland, and grew up in L.A.

And now live in Tampa.... Okay, somewhere along the way I made a bad decision.  But I know what he means.  Cool post, I had never heard that before.  Reminds me of home.

Welcome to America... and to modern paranoia.  I am not saying it is not rational to be afraid.  I just think we are way past that point.  Now it is better to look for hope (at least as individuals to survive).

So this is still my favorite... (and don't bitch if you think I have posted it before, I know I have) 

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[Seeker]

Okay... one more.  You all must suffer!

Still, it makes me feel good to share it,  thanks for pretending to listen.   

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[Sculpto]

I like these people

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[Sculpto]

reach out and touch faith

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[SANDRO43]

Poulenc is undiscovered territory for me so I appreciated the link.  Some how it made me think of Schumann:

Poulenc can be very 'classic' and tonal, when he wants:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4UPCHyoy8[/youtube]

Dissonance: it's the sound that sets the fight or flight mechanism into play. In the hands of a skilled composer it becomes an instrument that complicates a piece, setting the senses on edge.

Dissonance has always been used in music, a note extraneous to the current tonal environment creates a temporary tension due to clashing harmonics that is usually resolved later (the sooner, the better IMHO).

The problem with most 20th century classical music is that dissonance became an 'institution' with the Vienna School's (Schoenberg and his pupils Berg and Webern) serial twelve-tone technique (dodecaphony). Occasional tension is stimulating, but constant tension is a pain in the...ear .

[Shostakovich]

The problem with most 20th century classical music is that dissonance became an 'institution' with the Vienna School's (Schoenberg and his pupils Berg and Webern) serial twelve-tone technique (dodecaphony). Occasional tension is stimulating, but constant tension is a pain in the...ear .

Shosty does not approve of this statement.  Yes, the 20th century did happen, though hardly know it from the audience response to a 20th century work on the program: clears the house faster than a fire alarm.

I think it fair to say most people still don't get the 20th century composers.  There was a time when, in order to be taken seriously as an intellectual (radical left mind-you) you had to jabber on ambrosially about the New Vienna school, Cage, etc.  Now that most of those people push up the daisies we can take fresh stock of the situation.  I do agree there are a few ear-splitters in the 20th century cannon, Schnitke comes to mind - I'll make him the sacrifice to appease, but there are just far too many great pieces, endorsed by the best musical minds of the time to dismiss Schoenberg et. al as nothing more than musical masturbation. 

I can list many impressive works.  Many of which are not up on YouTube.  It is definitely cerebral, however, and one must be open to a certain unraveling of the mind.  It is no coincidence that Schoenberg is contemporaneous with Dr. Frued.  Perriot Lunaire comes to mind as does a very intriguing operatic work, Ewartung, which I had the pleasure to attend last Summer.  Shosty recommends!

    -- that's two thumbs up!

The opera does not excerpt so well so here is Perriot Lunaire instead:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inrIDGKGyqQ[/youtube]

Speaking of the master, I'll leave Shosty out of the picture for the time being.  But his works were not supposed to be "easy listenin'"  - they were about all the terrible things happening during Soviet times and during WWII.  Crikey.

Anyway, here's Glenn Gould to protect the honor of the New Vienna School and the misunderstandings of incorrigible fuddy-duddies. 

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhKWTVTl5Y4[/youtube]

[JohnDearGreen]

Kris K, a Rhodes scholar, with former wife Rita
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[SANDRO43]

Yes, the 20th century did happen, though hardly know it from the audience response to a 20th century work on the program: clears the house faster than a fire alarm...I think it fair to say most people still don't get the 20th century composers.

For a very simple acoustical reason: harmonics . 

It is definitely cerebral, however, and one must be open to a certain unravelLing of the mind.

Supposing one must THINK in order to appreciate a piece of music . You may tell Shosty that I beg to disagree completely with this concept .

[Sculpto]

OK so here is some real homegrown San Francisco culture.. roots in the Blues, The Beach boys and Psychedelic movements.. turn it up!  (all instrumental)

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if you ever have the chance to hear this live.. don't pass it up.. recordings can't do it right..

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From an apartment roof near Dolores Park.. my 'hood..

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Nice recording from Mavericks..

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[Sculpto]

so for a completely different genre

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[Shostakovich]

For a very simple acoustical reason: harmonics .

No-no.   Many people - not all people.  Dissonance is acoustical too.  But I think you are opening the dissonance=noise, harmony=music debate.  At a certain level I can relate to that - it only goes so far.   

Supposing one must THINK in order to appreciate a piece of music . You may tell Shosty that I beg to disagree completely with this concept .

Sadly, Shosty has encountered this attitude many times before.  Injustice, alas, we philosophers must take as our allotted portion. Of course Shosty would never suggest that all music must be experienced as thought to be enjoyed.  Shiver me timbers!  Rather, it seems most music seems to require the absence of thought to be enjoyed.  Once you start thinking about it, much music reduces to nothing more than histrionic buffooneries.  Shocking that someone can get up on stage and actually act that way.  But music makes its appeal at various levels, and yes the appeal can be intellectual.  Shosty now illustrates with several examples:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jRyTXEkMjQ[/youtube]

Those quartets by Bela are just the coolest.  There is a certain racy element here, but the heart is certainly not bleeding, "Smokin' hot Kovas" do not come to mind, I do not think to raise the earth in a rage.  Shosty thinks of mathematics.

Mozart makes you smarter they say -- I think I know why.  In fact I was tipped off here after reading an interview given by Mitsuko Uchida -- she says that Mozart is often very difficult to play.  It is not so difficult technically.  There is not the incredible note density of Racmaninoff or Alcan, but each not is deliberate -- one rides no wave of emotion as in Brahms or Tchaikovsky for example.  It draws the mind into the equation -- it's contemplative.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=7K3VLrOjIXU&feature=related[/youtube]

In the day they dismissed old Franz as the "composer of repeated notes".  Some truth to it no doubt.  I wonder if there is a composer with more beautiful harmonies than Franz - there is an emotive element for certain.  But Franz always twists it around the edges and he gives you no straight story -- it is how his music draws you into a mystery that the listener must complete.  He is no tune-smith.  The reason they'll be jabbering about the music of Franz Schubert long after Bon Jovi, The Cure and, yes, even the King himself have all faded into sort of jolly footnote to the age.  Without knowing much about the mechanics of music I nevertheless always find the word architecture coming to mind when listening to Franz.  How does he do it - the heart leads with Franz for certain, but the mind is not far behind.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=KkqDEh-fXVI&feature=related[/youtube]

What an incredible piece.

[SANDRO43]

Dissonance is acoustical too.

So what? A belch is acoustical as well, as ANY sound/noise is, by definition.

But I think you are opening the dissonance=noise, harmony=music debate. 

You're way off track, maybe this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic) will help you understand.

Sadly, Shosty has encountered this attitude many times before.  Injustice, alas, we philosophers must take as our allotted portion.

A fresh cup of hemlock will help you bear your burden .

Of course Shosty would never suggest that all music must be experienced as thought to be enjoyed.  Shiver me timbers!  Rather, it seems most music seems to require the absence of thought to be enjoyed.  Once you start thinking about it, much music reduces to nothing more than histrionic buffooneries.  Shocking that someone can get up on stage and actually act that way. But music makes its appeal at various levels, and yes the appeal can be intellectual.  Shosty now illustrates with several examples:

Apart from Bartok, whose example I find unappealing, I don't think those pieces by Mozart and Schubert require any intellectual analysis to be enjoyed. Your 'illustration' is 1/3 unconvincing (to me) and 2/3 off the intended mark.

Those quartets by Bela are just the coolest.  There is a certain racy element here, but the heart is certainly not bleeding, "Smokin' hot Kovas" do not come to mind, I do not think to raise the earth in a rage.  Shosty thinks of mathematics.

I think you're rambling here .

Mozart makes you smarter they say -- I think I know why. 

Cattle breeders maintain he improves milk productivity .

It draws the mind into the equation -- it's contemplative.

In yoga at least, contemplation is considered possible only after the mind has been kicked out of the way.

Without knowing much about the mechanics of music I nevertheless always find the word architecture coming to mind when listening to Franz. 

J.S. Bach, and other polyphonic composers, would be more apropos as architects . Nevertheless, ANY piece of music - even a pop song - has a structure, which IMO accounts for composers always coming last after all the other artists (poets, painters, sculptors, etc.) to a new expressive territory.

[Shostakovich]

So what? A belch is acoustical as well, as ANY sound/noise is, by definition.

Even a harmonious belch

You're way off track, maybe this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic) will help you understand.

Congratulations - you can quote wiki

A fresh cup of hemlock will help you bear your burden .

"life would not be worth living without music" -- Even less so without Shosty!    

Apart from Bartok, whose example I find unappealing.

Enough said

I think you're rambling here .

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=tlN3c_-oc3s&feature=related[/youtube]

Cattle breeders maintain he improves milk productivity .

What was that about rambling?

In yoga at least, contemplation is considered possible only after the mind has been kicked out of the way.

Ho-ho -- is that what you think the yogis think?

J.S. Bach, and other polyphonic composers, would be more apropos as architects . Nevertheless, ANY piece of music - even a pop song - has a structure, which IMO accounts for composers always coming last after all the other artists (poets, painters, sculptors, etc.) to a new expressive territory.

 
Of course everything has a structure - only some things make you want to think about it.  See?

Sandro - seems to me we have way too much time on our hands.

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[JohnDearGreen]

Ray Benson, Asleep at the Wheel
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[JohnDearGreen]

Another of Tiger's girlfriends?
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[Seeker]

For some reason this came to mind.... well, that and it was playing on my server when I walked into the office just now. 

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[Mir]

Is this about a RW or for women everywhere?

She can kill with a smile
She can wound with her eyes
She can ruin your faith with her casual lies
And she only reveals what she wants you to see
She hides like a child,
But she's always a woman to me

She can lead you to love
She can take you or leave you
She can ask for the truth
But she'll never believe you
And she'll take what you give her, as long as it's free
Yeah, she steals like a thief
But she's always a woman to me

CHORUS:
Oh--she takes care of herself
She can wait if she wants
She's ahead of her time
Oh--and she never gives out
And she never gives in
She just changes her mind

And she'll promise you more
Than the Garden of Eden
Then she'll carelessly cut you
And laugh while you're bleedin'
But she'll bring out the best
And the worst you can be
Blame it all on yourself
Cause she's always a woman to me
--Mhmm--

She is frequently kind
And she's suddenly cruel
She can do as she pleases
She's nobody's fool
And she can't be convicted
She's earned her decree
And the most she will do
Is throw shadows at you
But she's always a woman to me
--Mhmm--
(Billy Joel)

[Seeker]

Excellent song!

I think it is all of them... and it is not because of them, it is because of our reaction to it.   

[SANDRO43]

JOHN FIELD
1782-1837

Who comes immediately to mind when one hears the word nocturne? Why, Frédérick Chopin (1819-1849) of course, he wrote scores of them and probably invented the genre, right?

Wrong. The piano nocturne was was invented by this Irish pianist and composer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Field_(composer)), a pupil of Muzio Clementi in London. They both arrived in Saint Petersburg in 1802, where Field decided to stay and remained in Russia until 1831, composing about 20 Nocturnes for piano.

The nocturne is a typically Romantic type of composition. Its intimate nature is, among other things, a result of the fact that the 2 hands play rather close together, mostly in the 3-4 central octaves of the keyboard.

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[BillyB]

Here's a couple pieces of music I like. The first is new and the kind of music a lot of RW will like. The most beautiful girl I've ever seen play an accordian is at the 1:18 mark in the video. The second video is a few years old and I haven't read the entire thread to learn if someone already put it here. The video shows the very reasons we men go to the FSU which are for family oriented and marriage minded girls.

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[Sculpto]

yuck.. that sasha dith video is trash.

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[tfcrew]

I've always liked this one....

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[Seeker]

I've always liked this one....

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNRmavbTTQk[/youtube]

THANK YOU!!!!  The seductive flute just takes you away, then the voice tugs at your heart, then the whole thing explodes in a wall of emotion and sound.  Tull had a classic/rock fusion that I think only the Moody Blues and Pink Floyd have mastered.  Okay... maybe ELP too.  But Tull is in the top 3 for me.