Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on October 06, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
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So this is a bit of a strange one but over the past day or so I've started to wonder if FSW are in general suited to what I am looking for. Now the general scope of them I believe they are but I'm really starting to think of more specifics here. In general FSW as a generic connotation could be said to be:
- More feminine than feminist.
- Interested in traditional Marriage & Family.
- Direct, no games, bs or silent treatment.
And probably a whole host of other things but for brevity and same of argument I'll leave it to the above.
Now that's all fine and well and suits me, but beyond those generic traits there are specifics as to how a girl's personality really is. For me I kind of think a girl who is not prim & proper who has a bit of and edge would suit me more. Not a party girl but a girl who is maybe kind of naughty or a bit feisty without being too over the top of course. Thing is I'm starting to wonder if FSW might just be a bit direct and straight laced for me, brought up with the man behaving in a certain way, a but of a too well behaved way in a way.
Now I've only met a few FSW and even the ones that were issues with I still found on the whole pleasant company to be around for the most part. Now a nice friendly socialable girl is all very well but I'm starting to wonder if they might be lacking in the more specific personality traits that I think probably turn me on more and make a relationship really tick as opposed to a mundane functional situation.
So wondering if a girl from another part of the world might suit me more such as Brazil possibly, also thinking about Ireland maybe though of course they're probably not got women sitting around waiting for a guy to rock up.
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I think your view of FSUW is flawed. They are the original feminists, having equal rights, and closer pay to men, than women in the West from the time of the Bolshevik Revolution.
You can find all sorts of FSUW. Some will give you the silent treatment. Some will yell. Some will argue reasonably. People are people the world over. What you attribute to "culture" is poppycock.
I have never known a Ukrainian family where the woman did not "rule" the family. Some do it quietly, others, rather forcefully (when they have headstrong husbands). But in every case, the woman made major decisions, with or without her husband's acquiescense.
I think you would do far better to find an English woman. You don't have the income to support an FSUW in the way she would expect a Western partner to provide for her. A woman from your own country will work. But either way, you are going to have to increase your income if you expect to have a family. Children are expensive, unless you want your children to grow up poor.
In any event, you should be dating locally to learn more about what traits you like in a woman, and what you don't. No person is perfect, and every partner you meet will have some things you like and others you don't. The trick is finding someone whose flaws you either find endearing, or can live with.
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:offtopic:
- More feminine than feminist.
Unlike you, TC, English is not my native tongue. It's my 4th language. But this just gets me every time.
A 'feminist' is not gender-specific, nor is it character description of a woman. A 'feminist' can be a man, transvestite, bi-sexual, etc...it could be Dave Bautista as much as it could be Kate Beckinsale, etc...
A 'feminist' is anyone who supports feminism.
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:offtopic:
Unlike you, TC, English is not my native tongue. It's my 4th language. But this just gets me every time.
A 'feminist' is not gender-specific, nor is it character description of a woman. A 'feminist' can be a man, transvestite, bi-sexual, etc...it could be Dave Bautista as much as it could be Kate Beckinsale, etc...
A 'feminist' is anyone who supports feminism.
:offtopic: GQ at least Boethius made a worthwhile contribution, focus man!
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I have never known a Ukrainian family where the woman did not "rule" the family. Some do it quietly, others, rather forcefully (when they have headstrong husbands). But in every case, the woman made major decisions, with or without her husband's acquiescense.
I think you would do far better to find an English woman. You don't have the income to support an FSUW in the way she would expect a Western partner to provide for her. A woman from your own country will work. But either way, you are going to have to increase your income if you expect to have a family. Children are expensive, unless you want your children to grow up poor.
In any event, you should be dating locally to learn more about what traits you like in a woman, and what you don't. No person is perfect, and every partner you meet will have some things you like and others you don't. The trick is finding someone whose flaws you either find endearing, or can live with.
I'm starting to think you may have a point Boe, I think you highlight some important downsides to FSW. Them trying to rule what happens would just with the vision of where I want to be I think. My concern is that they could be too overbearing. I kind of have come up against this already and it's not a great feeling. I kind of sense it in quite a few FSW I communicate with online like they approach it that you are playing in their ballpark, either that or they don't play with you at all kind of attitude.
The income issue is another problem. If the FSW wasn't very attractive & into me it might work but in general like you say most I get the impression have a idea that western guys are all rather wealthy, a bit more than I have. I could get to the level they expect but it will take me years that would out me in a worse position age wise I think. Their expectation would be a problem against the ye reality I think. Not that things are real bad in terms of wealth for me, better than many in the UK I suspect though not really at all what would be regarded as wealthy.
English girls, well they vary, I think I might be able to source sone that are a bit apart from the type that appear on standard dating sites such as Match & POF. I think you are right in that it may be worth me giving that a bash before any more FSU endeavours. I'll report back if much happens on this front. I have a few ideas at the moment so just trying them out I think. Many thanks :)
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How to know if FSW in general are right for you?
An FSUW was right for me and I was searching in the sweet spot an age
where high quality FSUW were in surplus, below is what I put in my profile.
I am not looking for a woman that I can live with, I am looking for a woman that
I can't live without. What am I looking for? I want it all. I want love, beauty, passion, education, honesty, a confidant, a real companion, a lover, a wife. I want a woman
who wants to be a woman and who wants her man to be a man.
(I told you I want it all :-)
I am a Catholic and I am looking for a Christian woman, I don't fall on my knees
and pray every five minutes but I am a believer and NOT looking for an atheist.
I got it all and more,
Udachi!
Bill
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How to know if FSW in general are right for you?
An FSUW was right for me and I was searching in the sweet spot an age
where high quality FSUW were in surplus, below is what I put in my profile.
I am not looking for a woman that I can live with, I am looking for a woman that
I can't live without. What am I looking for? I want it all. I want love, beauty, passion, education, honesty, a confidant, a real companion, a lover, a wife. I want a woman
who wants to be a woman and who wants her man to be a man.
(I told you I want it all :-)
I am a Catholic and I am looking for a Christian woman, I don't fall on my knees
and pray every five minutes but I am a believer and NOT looking for an atheist.
I got it all and more,
Udachi!
Bill
But do you find her as Boethius describes, that she wants to 'rule' the family and consequently rule over you?
I'm not saying all guys have a problem with that, sone it may suit and be happy with it like that, just depends on the guy I guess.
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I think your view of FSUW is flawed.
This is news?
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- More feminine than feminist.
- Interested in traditional Marriage & Family.
- Direct, no games, bs or silent treatment.
A 'feminist' is anyone who supports feminism.
fem·i·nist/ˈfemənəst/ nounnoun: feminist; plural noun: feminists- a person who supports feminism.
adjectiveadjective: feminist...relating to or supporting feminism.**"feminist literature"
:offtopic: GQ at least Boethius made a worthwhile contribution, focus man!
Excuse please...but the term 'feminist was in the 1st post so not OT.
"Silent treatment"? R U kidding? (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)
** “Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.”
― George Carlin
“You educate a man; you educate a man. You educate a woman; you educate a generation.”
― Brigham Young
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But do you find her as Boethius describes, that she wants to 'rule' the family and consequently rule over you?
I'm not saying all guys have a problem with that, some it may suit and be happy with it like that, just depends on the guy I guess.
Trench, we are married so we don't have a family ruler. Angel Eyes is the household
manager and I trust her to run a ton of things which frees me up to make more
money and to be more productive. I don't micromanage her domain (unless she
breaks out power tools) and she doesn't try to micro manage mine.
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Trench, we are married so we don't have a family ruler. Angel Eyes is the household
manager and I trust her to run a ton of things which frees me up to make more
money and to be more productive. I don't micromanage her domain (unless she
breaks out power tools) and she doesn't try to micro manage mine.
But are you in denial? Could the above not just be another way of saying FSW tells me what to do at home then tells me to go out and bring money in - and that is my purpose of being to her.
No offense with the above but I tend to get the impression most FSW see it as that is the way things are. For me it's not an envious position for me to envy wanting to be in.
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So this is a bit of a strange one but over the past day or so I've started to wonder if FSW are in general suited to what I am looking for.
If your thoughts raise such questions, FSUW are definitely not for you. The same applies to high-end stores that do not display prices. Both are very similar situations.
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But are you in denial? Could the above not just be another way of saying FSW tells me what to do at home then tells me to go out and bring money in - and that is my purpose of being to her.
No offense with the above but I tend to get the impression most FSW see it as that is the way things are. For me it's not an envious position for me to envy wanting to be in.
Trenchcoat,
I doubt that you have ever been in a long term loving relationship with a
woman especially not a Russian woman. I get showered in love all the
freaking time. I know what I have.
Russian woman are not for everyone. You are in borderline poverty, teenagers
working at McDonalds make more money than you do AND you are lazy and
have no discipline or motivation to improve yourself.
How is your remodeling project progressing? Still making you too knackered
to hit the gym? or to study Russian?
Udachi
Bill
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I'm starting to think you may have a point Boe, I think you highlight some important downsides to FSW. Them trying to rule what happens would just with the vision of where I want to be I think. My concern is that they could be too overbearing. I kind of have come up against this already and it's not a great feeling. I kind of sense it in quite a few FSW I communicate with online like they approach it that you are playing in their ballpark, either that or they don't play with you at all kind of attitude.
It wasn't intended as a downside. It was merely an observation.
I think your expectations of a woman are unrealistic, and it wouldn't matter where she is from. You need to bear down to understanding the human condition more, I think.
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Trenchcoat,
Udachi
Bill
Trench,
I was beating you up and that isn't a good thing or my intention.
My point is that I am not being ruled by my wife, I'm absolutely
positive with no reservations. I have a great thing with Angel Eyes
and I have a ton of experience with relationships to know what is
bad, so-so, good and GREAT. I've achieved GREAT. I am truly living
the dream.
I wish nothing less for you or for others reading this thread
Udachi!
Bill
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Now I've only met a few FSW and even the ones that were issues with I still found on the whole pleasant company to be around for the most part. Now a nice friendly socialable girl is all very well but I'm starting to wonder if they might be lacking in the more specific personality traits that I think probably turn me on more and make a relationship really tick as opposed to a mundane functional situation
Trench
It’s been said time and time again not that you take any notice.
Your whole idea of womanhood is flawed.
It doesn’t matter where a woman you enter into a relationship with comes from, until you change your attitude to them you will never succeed.
Dating women is one thing and you haven’t even been able to do that successfully at home let alone in a foreign country.
Marriage is a completely different ball game.
The day you get married is the day the work at building and sustaining a marriage really begins.
There’s no easy route to a successful marriage. It takes commitment, patience, ability to compromise, effort and a whole lot of other things to make a marriage.
Then when you have children, the dynamics of a marriage completely change as does a man’s place in the family.
You are not mature or wise enough nor do you have the financial resources to sustain a marriage through years and decades of living with a woman and making a family.
As those who have done so can tell you.
I’ve been married to my wife for 10 years now. Are we happy together? Yes
Is every day a work at your marriage day? Yes
Do I think she’s the best thing that ever happened to me? Yes.
Would I do anything in my power to see her happy? Yes
If you value the person you marry you will give all you can to sustain the marriage and that happens from both persons.
Is my marriage perfect? No
There are many times when povs and opinions differ, when miscommunication happens, when you are tired and grumpy and patience wears thin.
There are good times and bad times.
Many (most?) marriages fail.
Have you got what it takes to succeed?
From what you write here it doesn’t seem so.
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Ps.
Trench, it was my wife’s birthday a few days back. I’ve taken her to a beach resort for the weekend. It’s 33C, the water is great, we’ve had a lovely few days and recharged our batteries.
Life is good.
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Trenchcoat,
I doubt that you have ever been in a long term loving relationship with a
woman especially not a Russian woman. I get showered in love all the
freaking time. I know what I have.
Russian woman are not for everyone. You are in borderline poverty, teenagers
working at McDonalds make more money than you do AND you are lazy and
have no discipline or motivation to improve yourself.
How is your remodeling project progressing? Still making you too knackered
to hit the gym? or to study Russian?
Udachi
Bill
The UK isn't like the US in terms of economy Bill. Aside from a few wealthy people everyone acts like their a few bob too short all the time. This week just gone Boris Johnson said he wants to move the UK towards a high pay, high skilled economy. I'm hoping that he is able to achieve such but I remain uncertain as to whether he will be able to achieve such and it not end up sounding like a load of words without it manifesting in reality.
Part of the problem is that especially since we had EU immigration from Eastern Europe well that's cut wages down for everyone. It meant there was a surplus of labour around and that labour could be had very cheap. Employers loved it as they saw cheap labour meaning greater opportunity to make more profit, but of course that cheap labour causes problems elsewhere in the economy. It's like instead of getting stuff cheap as a result of cheap labour in Poland that cheap labour was imported here and that cheap stuff gotten here. Yes it's a way of building industry up but it also undermines the economy. For example I recently pointed out that the (cell cultured, non egg based) Flu vaccine could be easily had for £14.99 here, in the US it's apparently $75. Now even if exchange rates were two dollars to the pound like they were about 15 years ago that would still only mean that we would be paying the equivalent of around $30 to your $75 for the same thing. So how does the UK a small country get the Flu vaccine so much cheaper than a huge economy like the US? Answer is cheap low wages. In the US it's far easier to get a high salary job, here it is very difficult to get a high salary job. Everyone here goes around trying to find how cheap they can get a product or service, the cheapest price at the best quality usually wins, great for the buyer but it undermines the ability of Employers to pay higher wages as they can't sell stuff for a high price. People here have to become interested in how cheap they can get something of decent quality as they often don't get paid a lot. Seems the same all the way through, looking at a subscription for a streaming channel last night, apparently about $20 a month in the US but about £8 here. Then of course there is tax, over £12.5k we pay a third of money earned in tax through income tax and NI.
The UK if course is not a bad economy like Ukraine but despite its upsides of relatively low unemployment it has its downsides also. Of course when we go to Ukraine we are helped out by the good exchange rates of a much stronger pound to their ghrivna. However, a relatively low salary for UK residents and high house prices tends to be an issue when it comes to living lifestyle.
So it's really not me being lazy, I'm taking the best tax expedient route forward to maximizing my income in the UK. Working extra hours and losing a third of that money in tax isn't going to help. Property is where the money is at in the UK, it's why the government keeps the population topped up with immigrants as they don't wish to see the economy undermined by a housing market crash. If I was renting I would be even poorer than I am now and going out to earn just to pass my earnings over to a Landlord in rent each month, aside from food, heating and other living costs if course. So property is where I spend my a lot of my time/money apart from my part time job of course.
So recently I have completed the walls to my extension, it's only about 4 meters by 3 meters but space is at a premium in the UK. It's a masonry cavity wall and it took me all summer to do as it takes time to lay two layers blockwork all the way around. Yes it cheeses me off with how long it takes and having to do the work myself but otherwise it would be £20 - £25k or so to get someone in to do the whole extension rather than about up to £5k to do it myself. Even if I was working more hours at my job I wouldn't be earning enough to cover it and I would have to take out a loan and that would take probably 2-3 years minimum to pay off. Anyhow not much left to do now, just hopefully get on the flat roof before winter arrives and then doors & windows, do our the inside and job done. Doing it myself at least leaves me relatively free of debt. If I had gotten someone in to do all the work I would have tens of thousands in loans/mortgage by now.
Gym I have only in the last week or so made changes. There is no way I can go to the gym and risk getting the virus as I have an elderly Mother that may not fair well, even myself there are no guarantees. So I've decided I'm going to have to work out in my spare time (the little I have off it) and have bought some new heavier weights to help me with that. I've started lifting those and will just have to wait and hopefully progress will show. Lifting blockwork up I think had helped condition my body somewhat and seemed a good idea to not let that gain slide. I'm not real muscly yet, but hopefully btyat will come. The previous weights I had at home I'm getting rid off as they were just too light to realistically make any real impact, it's kind of laughable the rubbish that gets sold for that stuff.
Russian I have not done any for a little while. In theory I could fit in a but here or there in the nights before going to sleep but I find listening to it difficult to follow well enough when tired. I may try again but it's not easy to take it in, in that state and I don't have any other time to do it in. So it's likely going to have to take a back seat until after the house is finished off so I can really devote some quality time to it.
So there we are, that's about the size of it. Thing is I think FSW women think things come easy in the west. Possibly in a high wage economy like the US they come easier (not saying a high wage job there isn't stressful hard work) but in the UK and probably most EU countries it's not so easy to provide well. FSW seem to get the impression that a guy will be able to provide a high standard of living in the UK and while it is likely better than in Ukraine, Russia, etc I get the impression that their vision isn't the reality for most Brits. It actually takes a lot to be able to live in a nice big house in the UK, drive a nice posh car and have all needs met by a nice sizeable income. There is the dream then there is reality.
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Just to give another example, in a recent news article there was this young girl & her guy raving on about how they got an Architect to draw up plans for their extension, submit them to planning l, get them passed then consult an Engineer and put that in the price all for a sum of £400. Probably some construction drawings in with that also. Plus he gave advice on a better layout for the kitchen than what they had planned. Now that's a ridiculously cheap rate, probably McDonald's rate of pay or close too when you work out the time involved, deduct for office rent/running costs, marketing, tax, utility bills, etc, etc. Now consider this is a fully qualified Architect that takes about 10 years plus to get that, then experience on top of that and a hell of a lot of knowledge and learning to retain and utilise.
The extension looked like it was about at least double mine so about 8 meters by 3 meters. The highest price a builder had quoted them was £100k for the work, but oh that was too much for them so they begun the process off interviewing builders for a lot cheaper price. Think in another article if it's the same couple, similar project, they got it done for about 50k, bear in mind there is quite a lot of materials and work involved even for small extensions. In that 50k there will be done profit but again after all costs and taxes probably not a lot.
So that hopefully gives you more of an idea of the economy we are living in, in the UK. Way worse economies around, no high inflation like in Ukraine and other economic issues but the issue of almost everyone having to work for the lowest possible remuneration is of course a problem. That's why I sound like a cheapskate all the time, it's not because of me so much but because nearly everyone lives that way here.
I could do similar work to what that Architect does as my day job but why bother when all I'm going to get is the same sort of cr*p McDonald's pay he was getting after taxes & expenses and what I can get in any job with a lot less bother, stress and hassle, common sense really.
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/1497807/house-renovation-property-extension-cost-architect-ifl/amp
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More Trench Blah blah blah, blaming everything and everyone under the sun for his failings and ineptitude in earning a decent wage........
Give over Trench, you’re just regurgitating more of the same crap to justify your poverty of thought, action and life.
People like you are what is everything wrong in the UK today. A generation that has grown believing the state owns them everything for nothing. Your refusal to go out and earn a decent wage in order to avoid paying taxes and contribute to society is what undermines the very principal of the welfare state.
You expect someone else to pick up the tab so you can benefit from a free education, free healthcare, free pension free (name your pick) etc etc.
I trust the day will come when you will go into a care home and the state takes your miserable two up two down and flogs it in exchange for paying for your life of free loading.
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The UK isn't like the US in terms of economy Bill.
Part of the problem is that especially since we had EU immigration from Eastern Europe well that's cut wages down for everyone. It meant there was a surplus of labour around and that labour could be had very cheap.
You get more than 200,000 illegal immigrants per month in the UK? That's what
we get at our Southern Border. I live in Texas, I sell windows and doors and have
never worked in the oil industry. I learned about it during my time selling windows
in North Dakota. I am a money machine. As long as I am working, I make money
but if I stop or slow down the money stops. I wake up every day with the knowledge
that I have to make money right now today.
The mean UK salary is £36,834 per year*. You are far below average,
a third less? If you were a school boy you would be failing.
You need to get yourself up to the mean to have a marriage and family regardless
of where you find your wife. If you weren't lazy, you would have accomplished
ONE thing. 1. Your remodeling project, 2. your income, 3. your ripped body from
the gym, 4. your Russian language ability. You have a part time job and excuses
for everything else.
You can blame lack of success on the women you come across or you can
improve yourself, stop making excuses and win.
This was not intended to be a beat up Trench session, but you bring it on yourself.
*Source
http://www.payspective.com/insights/average-salary-uk/
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You get more than 200,000 illegal immigrants per month in the UK? That's what
we get at our Southern Border. I live in Texas, I sell windows and doors and have
never worked in the oil industry. I learned about it during my time selling windows
in North Dakota. I am a money machine. As long as I am working, I make money
but if I stop or slow down the money stops. I wake up every day with the knowledge
that I have to make money right now today.
The mean UK salary is £36,834 per year*. You are far below average,
a third less? If you were a school boy you would be failing.
You need to get yourself up to the mean to have a marriage and family regardless
of where you find your wife. If you weren't lazy, you would have accomplished
ONE thing. 1. Your remodeling project, 2. your income, 3. your ripped body from
the gym, 4. your Russian language ability. You have a part time job and excuses
for everything else.
You can blame lack of success on the women you come across or you can
improve yourself, stop making excuses and win.
This was not intended to be a beat up Trench session, but you bring it on yourself.
*Source
http://www.payspective.com/insights/average-salary-uk/
£36,834 (total gross salary before tax) - £12,500 (tax free allowance - mostly) = £24,334 (taxable pay)
£24,334 ÷ 100 (percent) = £243.34 (1 percent tax) × 33 (for 33 percent tax, a third in tax) = £8030.22 Total tax (Income tax at 20 percent and NI at around 12 percent)
NI actually starts after someone earns over £8,500 a year and is going up by 1.25 percent soon so I rough averaged it out to 13 percent above £12,500 salary to make the numbers easy.
So a salary of £36,834 - £8030.22 (Total tax) = £28353.78 (Take home net pay, rough estimate but fairly accurate)
Now a take home salary of £28k isn't too bad at all though far less than the almost £37k salary quoted. So not nearly as good sounding and to be honest as said before the average salary is not the experience of most people in the UK. It's the mean average and not the mode as in terms of never of people that get that salary, a mode average would be far more appropriate as it's the number of people that actually experience getting that salary range that count. Otherwise with a mean figure there will be people that earn £100,000 plus a year, millions possibly for a lucky few hiking up the overall mean average figure. The average figure you quote isn't at all easy to get and even if you do will come with masses of work and stress, with that dating will be the last thing on one's mind.
So don't work in the oil industry, never have?
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I mean most people I know in the UK tend to work a 37.5 - 42 hour job with a salary range of around £20k - £25k per annum. A few will earn mid to high twenty thousand but not that many the £20k - £25k is a pretty common salary for the UK.
So maths time again, let's say it's £24,500 that someone earns per year, a third in tax over £12,500 (free tax allowance) is £4,000. So that person would take home £20,500, now that's only £7,500 more than someone who works part time who pays only a little NI as they don't go over the £12,500 income tax free allowance threshold. So that person is giving up most of their week all year long for £7,500, a good deal?
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I mean most people I know in the UK tend to work a 37.5 - 42 hour job with a salary range of around £20k - £25k per annum. A few will earn mid to high twenty thousand but not that many the £20k - £25k is a pretty common salary for the UK.
So maths time again, let's say it's £24,500 that someone earns per year, a third in tax over £12,500 (free tax allowance) is £4,000. So that person would take home £20,500, now that's only £7,500 more than someone who works part time who pays only a little NI as they don't go over the £12,500 income tax free allowance threshold. So that person is giving up most of their week all year long for £7,500, a good deal?
All you’re doing is simply confirming that you are too poor to even think of looking for a fsuw.
Best you stay home and count your pennies while munching your baked beans on toast.
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Best you stay home and count your pennies while munching your baked beans on toast.
I've never heard of such a weird meal. Is that something that people eat in the UK?
Fathertime!
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I've never heard of such a weird meal. Is that something that people eat in the UK?
Fathertime!
It’s common for poor people to subsist on this in the UK.
But it’s eaten across the spectrum.
Beans on Toast (http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/24/how-to-eat-beans-on-toast)
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*Source
http://www.payspective.com/insights/average-salary-uk/
Pretty much applicable with the US, too, with a caveat that the majority of millennials earn in excess of $100K/yr. BUT, in TC’s defense, they mostly live paycheck-to-paycheck according to results of business insider’s research studies.
They’re colloquially defined as ‘HENRYs’, high earners, not rich yet. Not to be confused with the ‘80s YUPPIES.
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I've never heard of such a weird meal. Is that something that people eat in the UK?
Fathertime!
To UK residents, beans on toast is a classic dish, invented as a marketing ploy
by Heinz in 1927.
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To UK residents, beans on toast is a classic dish, invented as a marketing ploy
by Heinz in 1927.
It beats borsch anyday ;D
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It beats borsch anyday ;D
Only a Philistine would say that.
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I mean most people I know in the UK tend to work a 37.5 - 42 hour job with a salary range of around £20k - £25k per annum. A few will earn mid to high twenty thousand but not that many the £20k - £25k is a pretty common salary for the UK.
So maths time again, let's say it's £24,500 that someone earns per year, a third in tax over £12,500 (free tax allowance) is £4,000. So that person would take home £20,500, now that's only £7,500 more than someone who works part time who pays only a little NI as they don't go over the £12,500 income tax free allowance threshold. So that person is giving up most of their week all year long for £7,500, a good deal?
My brother and i were talking about this last week.
His wife is a relatively high-earner,and their joint income,before tax and NI deductions, is around £85k a year.
This puts their household income in the top 10% in the UK...but they've got no money and no vices.
Stats tell us that of every 100 people born in the UK that only 1 will be wealthy at 65,2 will be living a decent life with a foreign holiday every year and no worries in paying their bills,37 will be dead,and the remaining 60 will be relying on family and state benefits to keep their heads above water.
I doubt that living in the UK is much of an attraction for Ukrainian and Russian women nowadays,after hearing about the reality of life here from their Polish/Latvian/Romanian cousins.
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Stats tell us that of every 100 people born in the UK that only 1 will be wealthy at 65, 2 will be living a decent life with a foreign holiday every year and no worries in paying their bills, 37 will be dead, and the remaining 60 will be relying on family and state benefits to keep their heads above water.
WOW, that is pretty depressing !!
Just wondering what 'family' would be helping 65 year old folks ??
Just my wild guess, but I think that of 100 random folks aged 65 or so in my smallish town . . . well over half of them would be able to go on vacations every year and have no worries about paying bills.
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My brother and i were talking about this last week.
His wife is a relatively high-earner,and their joint income,before tax and NI deductions, is around £85k a year.
This puts their household income in the top 10% in the UK...but they've got no money and no vices.
Stats tell us that of every 100 people born in the UK that only 1 will be wealthy at 65,2 will be living a decent life with a foreign holiday every year and no worries in paying their bills,37 will be dead,and the remaining 60 will be relying on family and state benefits to keep their heads above water.
I doubt that living in the UK is much of an attraction for Ukrainian and Russian women nowadays,after hearing about the reality of life here from their Polish/Latvian/Romanian cousins.
So what are they doing with their money?
They must be mortgaged to the hilt, running two decent cars and paying CC debt.
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WOW, that is pretty depressing !!
Just wondering what 'family' would be helping 65 year old folks ??
Just my wild guess, but I think that of 100 random folks aged 65 or so in my smallish town . . . well over half of them would be able to go on vacations every year and have no worries about paying bills.
I suspect a lot of the family help is where parents have died and left property to their kids to raise much-needed money from...and these 65 year-olds have been using it to live off.
I'll tell you a story about me and my ex.
I met her in Asia where i was working,she worked as a sales girl in a Tailors shop,and men from all over the World used that shop.
When she told the Indian owner of the shop that she was marrying me he was astonished and he said "Why are you marrying a Brit when from my experience they don't have any money,when you have all these Americans, who have plenty of money,after your hand in marriage ? ".
Something else, i have a good friend who was a Restaurant Manager in London...who managed to get the same work in Florida 11 years ago.
He tells me that when he worked here he never had any money..all his money went on rent etc.In Florida he says he lives like a King for doing the same job.
Yep it's pretty depressing living here..unless you're one of the 3%....with mental health problems soaring.
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So what are they doing with their money?
They must be mortgaged to the hilt, running two decent cars and paying CC debt.
They paid £280k for their current home four years ago.They sold their previous property to raise money toward it,but i have no idea how big their mortgage is.
Yes they do have a car each.She leases hers,so she gets a new car every three years and never has to worry about MOT's.
He bought a new car this year for £10k,having done a LOT of mileage on the old one.I don't know how much finance he has on the new car...if any.
A lot of her money goes on her work pension contributions.She's a deputy Headmistress in a state secondary school.
They have a 15 year-old daughter and they shop in Aldi's and Lidl's to keep the food bill down.
As i said no vices..they don't smoke.drink,take drugs or gamble.
They do take a foreign holiday every year....Florida,Mexico etc.
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They paid £280k for their current home four years ago.They sold their previous property to raise money toward it,but i have no idea how big their mortgage is.
Yes they do have a car each.She leases hers,so she gets a new car every three years and never has to worry about MOT's.
He bought a new car this year for £10k,having done a LOT of mileage on the old one.I don't know how much finance he has on the new car...if any.
A lot of her money goes on her work pension contributions.She's a deputy Headmistress in a state secondary school.
They have a 15 year-old daughter and they shop in Aldi's and Lidl's to keep the food bill down.
As i said no vices..they don't smoke.drink,take drugs or gamble.
They do take a foreign holiday every year....Florida,Mexico etc.
Average salary for a deputy head is £55k+.
Thats not bad money plus a second wage so I can’t see why they would be short of cash unless they are servicing a high level of debt.
Smells of poor housekeeping to me.
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Sometimes when reading a lot of the threads in these fora, there was always a part of me that feel the challenges on the side of FSUWs in the MOB to be more daunting.
How will they really know if WMs in 'general' is right for them before leaving their home and country?
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How will they really know if WMs in 'general' is right for them before leaving their home and country?
They have to compare the WM with the local prospects for romance.
For a 40 year old woman it could very easily be the bird in the hand
situation.
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It beats borsch anyday ;D
I've never tried beans and toast but I have tried mushy peas
and I would take borscht over mushy peas, jellied eels and
marmite any place any day.
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In the US Navy we had 'shit on a shingle.'
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In the US Navy we had 'shit on a shingle.'
Do elaborate.
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Sometimes when reading a lot of the threads in these fora, there was always a part of me that feel the challenges on the side of FSUWs in the MOB to be more daunting.
How will they really know if WMs in 'general' is right for them before leaving their home and country?
As you say, they only have to read some of the threads on here to get a flavour of what’s in store should they choose that path.
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I've never tried beans and toast but I have tried mushy peas
and I would take borscht over mushy peas, jellied eels and
marmite any place any day.
Beans on toast aren’t too bad actually and quite nutritious as well which is why it’s a good meal for those of less means.
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Do elaborate.
Chipped beef (shit) in a white sauce on toast (shingle).
We also had green eggs on the ship, when the galley(kitchen) ran out of real eggs they started using a egg powder with turned a little green when they made scrambled eggs. So most people switched to pancakes when the eggs turned green.
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Beans on toast aren’t too bad actually and quite nutritious as well which is why it’s a good meal for those of less means.
Hence the nursery rhyme, 'beans, beans, good for your heart, very healthy make you fart' :D
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Chipped beef (shit) in a white sauce on toast (shingle).
We also had green eggs on the ship, when the galley(kitchen) ran out of real eggs they started using a egg powder with turned a little green when they made scrambled eggs. So most people switched to pancakes when the eggs turned green.
http://www.incredibleegg.org/recipes/egg-tips-tricks/why-eggs-turn-green/
Actually..powdered eggs ARE real eggs that have been powderized....yummy!
And it sounds much better when said--- A tasty blend of rich.. succulent gravies and luscious flavorful chipped meats deliciously and appetizingly poured over a shingle.
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I had no complaint about eating the S on Shingle.
And I never even called it that.
In the Navy, I worked in personnel administration.
We kept all the service records, recorded leave accumulated, leave taken, courses completed, exams passed, promotions achieved, etc.
As such, many folks thought we could have a good or bad effect on their career . . . which wasn't really true.
But anyway, often times the cooks would bring cakes, pies, etc., to our office after working hours. I gained about 20 pounds in my 4 years in the Navy . . . which just made me normal weight as I was quite skinny when I joined.
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Just to bring the topic slightly back on track....
In my experience, FSUW don’t like beans on toast.
That could be a problem for Trenchcoat.
Actually, the whole idea of FSUW for Trench is problematic.
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My brother and i were talking about this last week.
His wife is a relatively high-earner,and their joint income,before tax and NI deductions, is around £85k a year.
This puts their household income in the top 10% in the UK...but they've got no money and no vices.
Stats tell us that of every 100 people born in the UK that only 1 will be wealthy at 65,2 will be living a decent life with a foreign holiday every year and no worries in paying their bills,37 will be dead,and the remaining 60 will be relying on family and state benefits to keep their heads above water.
I doubt that living in the UK is much of an attraction for Ukrainian and Russian women nowadays,after hearing about the reality of life here from their Polish/Latvian/Romanian cousins.
Well we don't see them floating across the channel yet with rest of the uninvited guests so can't be that desperate yet I'm guessing lol.
It's a good point CB. I'm never really sure how Ukrainian or Russian women regard living in the UK or their concept of it. I'm never really sure they have any understanding of what life here is really like. I should really ask some on Fdate I think. I'm not sure whether they think the streets are paved with gold or have a more down to earth understanding. I'm not so sure if they understand that living space is at a premium for most and probably for many Britons only a little above most Ukrainians/Russians. Some may even have as bad living conditions, small squalid spaces, run down, etc.
I think the main problem in this country has been trying to pack too many people in, mainly a problem of immigration from Eastern EU states. Before they came in most Britons seemed to be in an improving situation. Problem of trying to push people into smaller & smaller spaces is that it doesn't tend to affect them well. A lot more bad social problems amount I think.
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Trench
You could change your life by doing a proper job earning better money and pay your fair share but since you’ve opted to be a tax dodger and earn minimum wage you’ve only yourself to blame for having to live in a hovel and not being able to afford a normal lifestyle so unless you choose to join society and be a productive citizen I suggest you quit with the blame game and STFU.
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Trench
You could change your life by doing a proper job earning better money and pay your fair share but since you’ve opted to be a tax dodger and earn minimum wage you’ve only yourself to blame for having to live in a hovel and not being able to afford a normal lifestyle so unless you choose to join society and be a productive citizen I suggest you quit with the blame game and STFU.
Keeping up your trolling activities hey Gaunty.
I've already explained that most people in society can't just go out and earn much above £20 - £25k per year. I could get one of those jobs or increase my hours in my present job to get that but for what purpose? Getting an extra £7.5k per year is not that big a deal. I can do other stuff and just as much or more in effect. Personally I don't feel that I should work all hours under the sun like a bugger to attract a FSW, I don't owe them anything. Yet I increasingly get the impression that so many FSW international dating seem to think they are owed something. That's not a great place to be for me, I'm just looking for someone who wants to be with me and work with me not just sit on the sidelines taking.
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I'm just looking for someone who wants to be with me and work with me not just sit on the sidelines taking.
So the ideal lady will be one who will love her low income husband [that has no interest in advancement] and who together considers toast a la beans a delicacy (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/undecided.gif)
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Keeping up your trolling activities hey Gaunty.
I've already explained that most people in society can't just go out and earn much above £20 - £25k per year. I could get one of those jobs or increase my hours in my present job to get that but for what purpose? Getting an extra £7.5k per year is not that big a deal. I can do other stuff and just as much or more in effect. Personally I don't feel that I should work all hours under the sun like a bugger to attract a FSW, I don't owe them anything. Yet I increasingly get the impression that so many FSW international dating seem to think they are owed something. That's not a great place to be for me,
The truth hurts, doesn’t it, Trench.
So you feel you shouldn’t work all hours under the sun for little return but you expect UK Inc to pick up the tab to fund your freeloading taxpayer funded lifestyle who don’t owe you anything either.
After years of no success you now blame those ‘greedy, grasping’ FSUW for your lack of success in dating.
Well, that’s no surprise and a typical response from many who fail because they lack the courage and honesty to recognise their own moral deficit.
Physician, heal thyself.
I'm just looking for someone who wants to be with me and work with me not just sit on the sidelines taking.
The irony here is breathtaking.
This is Hall of Fame material. Every newbie should take note.
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So the ideal lady will be one who will love her low income husband [that has no interest in advancement] and who together considers toast a la beans a delicacy (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/undecided.gif)
With such a candidate, the ladies are queuing up ready to break the door down to get their sticky mitts on this glorious specimen of British Manhood.
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With such a candidate, the ladies are queuing up ready to break the door down to get their sticky mitts on this glorious specimen of British Manhood.
:cheesy: LOL
Never really sure how much go there is left in Ukraine for women. Increasingly it looks like the EU is trying to suck in Ukraine into being an EU member in effect without actually being one, probably as the EU is too strapped for cash to give it if they gave Ukraine membership. The recent EU open skies agreement allows for far more travel between EU cities and Ukraine than ever before, Wizz Air is expanding to cover this with many more routes to EU cities:
http://simpleflying.com/wizz-air-ukrainian-expansion/
On the other side of the coin there still seems to be women on sites like Fdate, etc that are looking for a guy. So while they can go travel to the EU and find a guy there or unofficially work there are some that still look to find a western guy either in Europe or the US. My intuition tells me that many but perhaps not all of these women are looking for a guy that is quite wealthy and well set up to avoid having to make much effort and live in comfort. I don't necessarily blame them for wanting that but it's not that great when looking for a woman with that being a part of the mix. That said compared to some English women it's not necessarily the worst issue, but for me I've not likely got enough of what they are looking for.
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Trench,
I'm sure you must have realized by now that FSUW are not for you.
Even, if in the unlikely event that you managed to charm one of those women into joining you in the UK,you'd soon lose her as she'll be looking to trade-up once she gets here.
Your only chance will be with a 5 or less out of 10 in looks who already has kids and is desperate for ANY bloke who'll accept her because the local blokes won't,and if that's all you want i'm sure you can find that where you live.
In your current financial circumstances,and if you want better than the kind of woman i've described in the previous paragraph, you'd be better looking for a partner in Thailand or Philippines IMO.
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Trench,
I'm sure you must have realized by now that FSUW are not for you.
Even, if in the unlikely event that you managed to charm one of those women into joining you in the UK,you'd soon lose her as she'll be looking to trade-up once she gets here.
Your only chance will be with a 5 or less out of 10 in looks who already has kids and is desperate for ANY bloke who'll accept her because the local blokes won't,and if that's all you want i'm sure you can find that where you live.
In your current financial circumstances,and if you want better than the kind of woman i've described in the previous paragraph, you'd be better looking for a partner in Thailand or Philippines IMO.
I think you are right CB and have pretty much hit the nail on the head. Possibly I could get away with one without kids who was not above average on looks but had interests or personality that meant she wasn't part of the mainstream. One of the girls I turfed up was into Elon Musk, Space Exploration and all sorts of geeky stuff like Aviation simulators, etc. Didn't appeal to me as I kind of got the impression that every day would be a school day with her and that stuff I don't find fun. I mean I don't mind an occasional bit of talk on it but she looked heavily into it. There are also girls that don't socialise well, I might last longer with them but it still depends on their expectations, looks, etc.
Thai women I have generally been skeptical off because I've heard a fair few where they seem money grabbers. Philippine women I have heard any bad stories/rumours about, there no doubt probably are some but I get the impression likely in less quantity than elsewhere.
I think the advantage that comes with Philippine women is that a lot of guys in the UK will pass over them on the grounds of race. A white chick will be able to readily move to other white guys but a girl who is obviously if different ethnicity not so. I think Philippine culture would not be something in line with a lot of UK guys also. Many UK guys can be load but I get the impression that Philippine women don't fit into that very easily.
Other people's kids I've got to be honest that I don't wish to be burdened down with. It's not that I don't like being around kids, I often find them funny and joyful but it wouldn't feel great bringing up and paying for someone else's kids when I would really want my own.
I think over the next few weeks I'm going to have to re-evaluate where I am going with am of this. Like you say I kind of know that most FSW would likely be a difficulty for me and not necessarily suited in terms of outlook. Many expect a certain standard of living and unless entirely into me in some particular way there would be a big risk that most would go searching for someone more of what they want once here. I don't really want to spend a lot of money importing a girl and her then deciding things are now different and she doesn't care about all the time, money and effort I took to get her here and she goes off to find a guy who can provide her with what she wants more. Unless a girl really is real close to me that's what I can see happening. I think that can happen to many guys from what I hear.
How are things going in your search CB?
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My reading of the situation in Ukraine & FSU is that the pretty girls want a rich guy who will keep them in good confort with their wants and needs. Its why they are willing to leave their family & friends assuming thet have any. If they find out the guy isn't what they had hoped for then they can easily move on once in UK, US or wherever.
The less pretty girls will vary, some will just want a pension plan, especially so if they are getting on a bit, mid to late thirties or older I would say. The younger less pretty girls may want to genuinely find someone but they can't at home as guys pass over on them either because they are too ugly or if everyday looking then perhaps difficult personalities, etc. A few everyday looking girls might have pretentions towards finding a wealthy guy also and may think chucking on a silk dress or whatever will get them in the frame. There are always some girls around with their head up their rear.
There will probably be a few girls who genuinely want to find a guy that match their interests who may be a bit unusual in their interests who don't find it easy to find another guy where they are. These it will just be a case of how easily a guy can genuinely share the same interests and get on with their interests as a basis for it all most likely. These girls are not likely to be pretty girls, everyday average at best as most pretty girls tend to end up with mainstream activities. So these girls probably aren't bad but only if a guy can genuinely be into the same fringe interests they have.
Other girls of course the ones with kids will want a guy to pay for their kids etc. As CB rightly says if with a lot of kids they will likely stick around if with just one then it may vary, they may choose to upgrade once in the west.
So I think most of the girls on International Dating sites generally are there as they want the guy to pay up/provide in some meaningful way. If not they aren't interested, maybe if they got to know the guy and found they really liked him they might but that likely rarely happens. Odds are many probably know a lot of guys in the west aren't rich they are just chancing it to try and get hold of one who is rich in my opinion.
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Most recent trend seems to be on Fdate is girls expressing that they are only interested in a 'Serious Relationship' or maybe it is more down to me applying for or getting interest for girls in their mid to late thirties. May have to check and see if the profiles of younger girls also put the same later.
Other commonality is that I'm getting the phrase that they wish to 'create a Family' again sane age group, mud to late thirties, early forties. My guess is that a lot of them may mean without children, one of them states this. I'm finding it a but of a pain in the arse as I would rather have it clear on their profile if they wish to have kids rather than keep getting this ambiguous 'family' phrase. I feel like it's almost done to dupe the guy. Most I wonder if it's just weighted in their interests of wanting a pension plan and with little in it for the guy other than going out to get the money in. I don't need someone to cook these days I have a microwave! :D
A lot of the girls when questioned why looking abroad say that it doesn't matter where the guy is from. I'm just thinking that it may just really mean it doesn't matter where so long as he fulfills the criteria if providing, i.e it is papering over the real reason, to find a guy to provide for them.
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I think you are right CB and have pretty much hit the nail on the head. Possibly I could get away with one without kids who was not above average on looks but had interests or personality that meant she wasn't part of the mainstream. One of the girls I turfed up was into Elon Musk, Space Exploration and all sorts of geeky stuff like Aviation simulators, etc. Didn't appeal to me as I kind of got the impression that every day would be a school day with her and that stuff I don't find fun. I mean I don't mind an occasional bit of talk on it but she looked heavily into it. There are also girls that don't socialise well, I might last longer with them but it still depends on their expectations, looks, etc.
Thai women I have generally been skeptical off because I've heard a fair few where they seem money grabbers. Philippine women I have heard any bad stories/rumours about, there no doubt probably are some but I get the impression likely in less quantity than elsewhere.
I think the advantage that comes with Philippine women is that a lot of guys in the UK will pass over them on the grounds of race. A white chick will be able to readily move to other white guys but a girl who is obviously if different ethnicity not so. I think Philippine culture would not be something in line with a lot of UK guys also. Many UK guys can be load but I get the impression that Philippine women don't fit into that very easily.
Other people's kids I've got to be honest that I don't wish to be burdened down with. It's not that I don't like being around kids, I often find them funny and joyful but it wouldn't feel great bringing up and paying for someone else's kids when I would really want my own.
I think over the next few weeks I'm going to have to re-evaluate where I am going with am of this. Like you say I kind of know that most FSW would likely be a difficulty for me and not necessarily suited in terms of outlook. Many expect a certain standard of living and unless entirely into me in some particular way there would be a big risk that most would go searching for someone more of what they want once here. I don't really want to spend a lot of money importing a girl and her then deciding things are now different and she doesn't care about all the time, money and effort I took to get her here and she goes off to find a guy who can provide her with what she wants more. Unless a girl really is real close to me that's what I can see happening. I think that can happen to many guys from what I hear.
How are things going in your search CB?
Rubbish.
My reading of the situation in Ukraine & FSU is that the pretty girls want a rich guy who will keep them in good confort with their wants and needs. Its why they are willing to leave their family & friends assuming thet have any. If they find out the guy isn't what they had hoped for then they can easily move on once in UK, US or wherever.
The less pretty girls will vary, some will just want a pension plan, especially so if they are getting on a bit, mid to late thirties or older I would say. The younger less pretty girls may want to genuinely find someone but they can't at home as guys pass over on them either because they are too ugly or if everyday looking then perhaps difficult personalities, etc. A few everyday looking girls might have pretentions towards finding a wealthy guy also and may think chucking on a silk dress or whatever will get them in the frame. There are always some girls around with their head up their rear.
There will probably be a few girls who genuinely want to find a guy that match their interests who may be a bit unusual in their interests who don't find it easy to find another guy where they are. These it will just be a case of how easily a guy can genuinely share the same interests and get on with their interests as a basis for it all most likely. These girls are not likely to be pretty girls, everyday average at best as most pretty girls tend to end up with mainstream activities. So these girls probably aren't bad but only if a guy can genuinely be into the same fringe interests they have.
Other girls of course the ones with kids will want a guy to pay for their kids etc. As CB rightly says if with a lot of kids they will likely stick around if with just one then it may vary, they may choose to upgrade once in the west.
So I think most of the girls on International Dating sites generally are there as they want the guy to pay up/provide in some meaningful way. If not they aren't interested, maybe if they got to know the guy and found they really liked him they might but that likely rarely happens. Odds are many probably know a lot of guys in the west aren't rich they are just chancing it to try and get hold of one who is rich in my opinion.
More rubbish
Most recent trend seems to be on Fdate is girls expressing that they are only interested in a 'Serious Relationship' or maybe it is more down to me applying for or getting interest for girls in their mid to late thirties. May have to check and see if the profiles of younger girls also put the same later.
Other commonality is that I'm getting the phrase that they wish to 'create a Family' again sane age group, mud to late thirties, early forties. My guess is that a lot of them may mean without children, one of them states this. I'm finding it a but of a pain in the arse as I would rather have it clear on their profile if they wish to have kids rather than keep getting this ambiguous 'family' phrase. I feel like it's almost done to dupe the guy. Most I wonder if it's just weighted in their interests of wanting a pension plan and with little in it for the guy other than going out to get the money in. I don't need someone to cook these days I have a microwave! :D
A lot of the girls when questioned why looking abroad say that it doesn't matter where the guy is from. I'm just thinking that it may just really mean it doesn't matter where so long as he fulfills the criteria if providing, i.e it is papering over the real reason, to find a guy to provide for them.
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Rubbish.More rubbish
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Rubbish? I'm just repeating back the answers they gave. You not like their answers Gaunty, a bit too much home truths for you ;)
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Rubbish? I'm just repeating back the answers they gave.
It isn’t the answers they give, it’s your interpretation of them based on your warped notions of women.
You not like their answers Gaunty, a bit too much home truths for you ;)
Am I missing something here?
Who’s been married to a FSUW for a decade+ and still in a thriving relationship?
Clue: It isnt you.
You haven’t a f****** clue.
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It isn’t the answers they give, it’s your interpretation of them based on your warped notions of women.
Am I missing something here?
Who’s been married to a FSUW for a decade+ and still in a thriving relationship?
Clue: It isnt you.
You haven’t a f****** clue.
I am surprised Mrs JG has lasted. On here you come across as a crotchety old fart. If like that in real life I don't know what woman would ever put up with you.
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I am surprised Mrs JG has lasted. On here you come across as a crotchety old fart. If like that in real life I don't know what woman would ever put up with you.
The day you have a Mrs to talk about I might take your comment seriously.
Of course, we know that you’ll never have any woman put up with your crap.
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The common idea of life in Ukraine is, you grow up, you get married, you have children, you raise the children, and you die. That's changing, but it is still a fairly prevalant idea. So a UW saying she wants a family is adhering to her cultural norms.
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The common idea of life in Ukraine is, you grow up, you get married, you have children, you raise the children, and you die. That's changing, but it is still a fairly prevalant idea. So a UW saying she wants a family is adhering to her cultural norms.
I thoughts when a FSW says that she wants family that it can just mean the two of you. So for me the term family as FSW use it is quite ambiguous. Here if a woman says she wants family it's basically means she wants kids, there as I understand it, it can mean either.
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I thoughts when a FSW says that she wants family that it can just mean the two of you. So for me the term family as FSW use it is quite ambiguous. Here if a woman says she wants family it's basically means she wants kids, there as I understand it, it can mean either.
When ANY woman says she wants a family it includes kids.
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The day you have a Mrs to talk about I might take your comment seriously.
Of course, we know that you’ll never have any woman put up with your crap.
JG, You've already admitted before that your woman is not a model, no problem with that, but is she even everyday average looking? Again no problem if she isn't but if you've headed for the easy pickings at the bottom of the tree you can't very well have a dig at a guy playing a few levels above can you ;) Any guy can go out to Ukraine and get a girl who isn't at all very pretty, they will desperately welcome any guy, especially a western man, virtually any guy can accomplish that. Few guys want to do that but sone guys will and then think they are in the same level as all other married guys just because they found a other half while in reality they are the same level if bit worse than the guy going for a reasonable looking girl. I've not met Mrs JG so don't know what she looks like, age could well be a nice person either way but something tells me you make out you're all that for getting and marrying a FSW but that you like to live in your own illusionary world and have a dig at others trying for what you would like to have gotten if you thought you had any chance at it.
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JG, You've already admitted before that your woman is not a model, no problem with that, but is she even everyday average looking? Again no problem if she isn't but if you've headed for the easy pickings at the bottom of the tree you can't very well have a dig at a guy playing a few levels above can you ;) Any guy can go out to Ukraine and get a girl who isn't at all very pretty, they will desperately welcome any guy, especially a western man, virtually any guy can accomplish that. Few guys want to do that but sone guys will and then think they are in the same level as all other married guys just because they found a other half while in reality they are the same level if bit worse than the guy going for a reasonable looking girl. I've not met Mrs JG so don't know what she looks like, age could well be a nice person either way but something tells me you make out you're all that for getting and marrying a FSW but that you like to live in your own illusionary world and have a dig at others trying for what you would like to have gotten if you thought you had any chance at it.
Xaxaxa
LMFAO
I’m not going to bother responding to the tosh you’ve come up with now.
You can carry on dreaming while I carry on living the dream.
I don’t subscribe to idiotic notions of model looking or scales of 1-10.
I’m very happy with my wife, her character, looks, etc. Don’t need any validation from the likes of you who can only dream of getting what I have while jerking off in your basement.
Since it’s so easy for virtually any guy to go and get any woman I’m waiting for you to show us all up and land one of those easy fish.
Go on, put your money where your mouth is..... Oh, I forgot, you haven’t any dosh and can’t afford a woman.
I won’t hold my breath. :cluebat:
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Xaxaxa
LMFAO
I’m not going to bother responding to the tosh you’ve come up with now.
You can carry on dreaming while I carry on living the dream.
I don’t subscribe to idiotic notions of model looking or scales of 1-10.
I’m very happy with my wife, her character, looks, etc. Don’t need any validation from the likes of you who can only dream of getting what I have while jerking off in your basement.
Since it’s so easy for virtually any guy to go and get any woman I’m waiting for you to show us all up and land one of those easy fish.
Go on, put your money where your mouth is..... Oh, I forgot, you haven’t any dosh and can’t afford a woman.
I won’t hold my breath. :cluebat:
And yet you spend so often on here, doesn't look like you are all that taken with your wife to choose posting on RWD over her.
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And yet you spend so often on here, doesn't look like you are all that taken with your wife to choose posting on RWD over her.
You must be as thick as two planks if you think I spend 24hrs a day with my wife.
I work for a living but you wouldn’t know much about that, would you.
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How are things going in your search CB?
I honestly don't know Trench.
I'm very specific in the kind of woman i want to be with..if i don't get the wow factor when i see her it ain't happening .
I go for the woman all the other guys want but are too frightened to ask out because they think she's out of their league...so i aim high.
I spent eleven years with a "normal nice "girl and after that ended due to my boredom i married a traffic stopper for twelve years.Sadly she had a gambling addiction so that ended after too many arguments about her addiction.
I'd rather be alone than be with a woman just to avoid being alone.
Anyway,i've met such a wow woman online and we planned to meet up and if things go well take a holiday together.
Unfortunately the Covid pandemic hit and has put everything on hold...so we'll see what happens.
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I honestly don't know Trench.
I'm very specific in the kind of woman i want to be with..if i don't get the wow factor when i see her it ain't happening .
I go for the woman all the other guys want but are too frightened to ask out because they think she's out of their league...so i aim high.
I spent eleven years with a "normal nice "girl and after that ended due to my boredom i married a traffic stopper for twelve years.Sadly she had a gambling addiction so that ended after too many arguments about her addiction.
I'd rather be alone than be with a woman just to avoid being alone.
Anyway,i've met such a wow woman online and we planned to meet up and if things go well take a holiday together.
Unfortunately the Covid pandemic hit and has put everything on hold...so we'll see what happens.
Good choice CB :D I know what you mean to be honest I bfind it's not really a choice so much in the girls that appeal. It's not that I go out looking for real pretty girls but they are just the ones that seem to do it for me. Yet I know they are probably a bit like local celebrities/pop stars they will turn a lot of guys on and enjoy the admiration. So it's not easy with all that other attention they get.
The way I feel is that I can't get into a girl if she genuinely doesn't light my fire so much the same really. Some guys will just go for any girl who they think will be an easy get but I can't carry on like that it would kind of feel like living a lie I think.
I know the pandemic is a real pain. Cases are rising in Ukraine so although it's possible to get out there now I don't really know where it's going to go out there. In India the official figures show cases fallen off a lot after a big surge despite not enough vaccine in Brazil similar so perhaps it will due down after a while. I'm getting a fair few responses from women of Fdate now so possibly I'll take a trip out there but still would depend on finding one I am totally happy that we were both really into each other I think.
Hope you get out to see your girl soon.
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Another thing I'm getting from the women I communicate with is stuff like them wanting, 'respect, trust and care'. Now I'm not into brutalising women, I don't like the look or feel of it, it's not what I'm about or ever have been, it hold no interest for me, but I'm not looking for a prim and proper girl either. I've of course we need to trust each other and be decent to each other but I also like the idea of a girl who has a bit of an edge.
In FSU terms what do girls mean by stuff like wanting, 'respect, trust and care' is it the same as western girls see it in the western sense of being a bit prim & proper?
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Yes . . . it means sex only once a month in Missionary position.
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<snip>...but I'm not looking for a prim and proper girl either. I've of course we need to trust each other and be decent to each other but I also like the idea of a girl who has a bit of an edge...<snip>
Cool! Then I have got the perfect dating site for you (http://www.prisondating.co.uk/). You don't even have to 'fly' anywhere to visit, and visit as many times you like. I'm certain any of these gals will have a bit of an edge. And better than a good chance you'll never need to spend money sending them through for English lessons..
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Cool! Then I have got the perfect dating site for you (http://www.prisondating.co.uk/). You don't even have to 'fly' anywhere to visit, and visit as many times you like. I'm certain any of these gals will have a bit of an edge. And better than a good chance you'll never need to spend money sending them through for English lessons..
Lol, that's an interesting site you've come up with there GQ, so long as the girl is not too bat sh*t crazy then it might add a bit of excitement to affairs :D Sometimes the most seemingly stupidest ideas may end up the best ones I think.
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A recent reply I have had from a Ukrainian girl to the question of why she is looking for a guy abroad is, "Ukrainian men are not ready to take serious obligations of marriage and kids.' This she gives as her honest answer, my reading into it is that Ukrainian men probably don't earn enough for her to see them as a comfortable prospect in terms of raising kids with her.
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A recent reply I have had from a Ukrainian girl to the question of why she is looking for a guy abroad is, "Ukrainian men are not ready to take serious obligations of marriage and kids.' This she gives as her honest answer, my reading into it is that Ukrainian men probably don't earn enough for her to see them as a comfortable prospect in terms of raising kids with her.
So...I guess that means that a toast and beans income would be completely out of the picture?
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So...I guess that means that a toast and beans income would be completely out of the picture?
Hilarious to see old TC running down Ukr men when pound for pound he’s probably worse off.
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To be honest I really do have a feeling that I can't trust FSW as things stand. I know many say all the right things online but after I've gone through all the trouble of getting in the country I don't have much faith that they would hang around. I'm just seeing it as too much hassle on my part of mostly expense getting them in and them not caring and just moseying off elsewhere as soon as they are able. I mean although I'm not the poorest of the poor I don't really have much in the way of a big positive to keep a FSW attracted. Not being negative on myself here, many guys are lacking in a big positive thing and are pretty everyday and I think for the most part they would be treated the same, so just being logical really.
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To be honest I really do have a feeling that I can't trust FSW as things stand.... I'm not the poorest of the poor....just being logical
Well here you go------
http://medium.com/writerontherun/the-art-of-being-a-gigolo-fa915735aa31
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To be honest I really do have a feeling that I can't trust FSW as things stand. I know many say all the right things online but after I've gone through all the trouble of getting in the country I don't have much faith that they would hang around. I'm just seeing it as too much hassle on my part of mostly expense getting them in and them not caring and just moseying off elsewhere as soon as they are able.
Trench,
Let's say you find a 39 year old FSUW and she falls in love with you.
You bring her back and you take her out to see all the nature that the
UK has to offer. Hike in forests, walk along the coast with umbrella's,
Go see every castle in the UK.
Find a girl who likes little adventures, I did. She can pack a picnic lunch
with toast and beans or blini and cream cheese. Go see every free hill in
Scotland. None of that stuff costs any money but she will love, love, love
it. It's in her nature to travel cheaply and rough it a little bit.
All her girlfriends in the FSU will be commenting on her photos of Sherwood
Forest and her selfies of the two of you in front of Windsor Castle.
As long as you stay off the couch, and find a picture postcard place to visit
she will be happy. Buy her a good set of hiking boots and a back pack and
several umbrellas and you will be more exciting than 99% of your competitors.
If you want to sit in front of the TV, don't spend all your time surfing the internet
or all your fears will be realized. You can be Mr Bean as long as you aren't a couch
spud.
Udachi!
Bill
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Trench,
Let's say you find a 39 year old FSUW and she falls in love with you.
You bring her back and you take her out to see all the nature that the
UK has to offer. Hike in forests, walk along the coast with umbrella's,
Go see every castle in the UK.
Find a girl who likes little adventures, I did. She can pack a picnic lunch
with toast and beans or blini and cream cheese. Go see every free hill in
Scotland. None of that stuff costs any money but she will love, love, love
it. It's in her nature to travel cheaply and rough it a little bit.
All her girlfriends in the FSU will be commenting on her photos of Sherwood
Forest and her selfies of the two of you in front of Windsor Castle.
As long as you stay off the couch, and find a picture postcard place to visit
she will be happy. Buy her a good set of hiking boots and a back pack and
several umbrellas and you will be more exciting than 99% of your competitors.
If you want to sit in front of the TV, don't spend all your time surfing the internet
or all your fears will be realized. You can be Mr Bean as long as you aren't a couch
spud.
Udachi!
Bill
That's definitely good advice Bill, I think one of the best of recent. Finding a girl that is like that would certainly make things a lot easier. I notice a fair few different write ups on Fdate as to what a girl likes to do and some of them I think would fit pretty near to that description so they might be worth a closer look. Many thanks :)
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That's definitely good advice Bill, I think one of the best of recent. Finding a girl that is like that would certainly make things a lot easier. I notice a fair few different write ups on Fdate as to what a girl likes to do and some of them I think would fit pretty near to that description so they might be worth a closer look. Many thanks :)
just the fact that after 5-6(?) years here still haven't figured this out yourself is outstanding, and not just regarding FSW but in general.
How to know if FSW in general are right for you? is your topic of question, well I can honestly say - and I am guessing no one will argue this with me - with your standards and lack of just the smallest experience with women of any kind and understanding of them , no one is right for you. Anyone ending up with you will suffer one way or the other.. mainly being piss poor and miserable with all your high demands where you give nothing in return
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Trenchcoat, I think you have a sort of defeatist attitude. When I read your posts (beyond the very obvious misogyny, which will lead to failure with about 99% of women, world over), I think you will find what you seek, which is, you are expecting a woman will leave you, so that will be the inevitability. We create our own realities.
I do think there is a higher failure rate among FSUW-WM marriages than WW-WM marriages. I think there are a variety of reasons for this - large age gaps, cultural differences, damaged people going into the marriage, who haven't dealt with whatever issues they have.
Who seeks a wife thinking "I will find one I'm not attracted to physically, as she is less likely to leave me?" First, I have seen plenty of women that I would consider "physically unattractive" who have been very successful with men. I also have friends who are very physically attractive - one, in her youth, was one of the most stunningly beautiful women I know - who can't keep a man long term (I think I know why), and never married.
Apparently, the number 1 predictor of divorce is lack of control. By that, I mean, one partner (or both) doesn't feel "heard", and doesn't feel respected in their decisions. I can fully understand this, and I can see how this would lead to divorce.
Personally, again, beyond your misogyny, on some level, you don't think you are "good enough", yet you are "too good" for local women. I would hazard a guess you are very awkward with women. I think if you find an FSUW, your worst fears will be realized, as "seek and you will find". I think you should date locally for a couple of years, just so you know, personality wise, what you can put up with and what you can't. Everyone has flaws, and conversely, everyone has facets of their personalities that will appeal to you. I think you need experience to learn what, in a woman's personality, is something you want, and what you absolutely could not live with.
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just the fact that after 5-6(?) years here still haven't figured this out yourself is outstanding, and not just regarding FSW but in general.
I don't think what Bill says is at all obvious, there are many different types of FSW, sone like theatre & music, some are party girls, some like dinning out, some like fashion, sone like travelling, some like animals, etc, etc. Probably many, many types for me to want to guess them all. I would if anything have liked the advice Bill just gave a lot sooner in my search. It's not easy picking out what to look for if not knowing what to look for. FSW's profile statements or communication are not always that easy to work out without having met a few FSW. I don't really know why you are so hostile Nightwish none of this involves you.
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Trenchcoat, I think you have a sort of defeatist attitude. When I read your posts (beyond the very obvious misogyny, which will lead to failure with about 99% of women, world over), I think you will find what you seek, which is, you are expecting a woman will leave you, so that will be the inevitability. We create our own realities.
I do think there is a higher failure rate among FSUW-WM marriages than WW-WM marriages. I think there are a variety of reasons for this - large age gaps, cultural differences, damaged people going into the marriage, who haven't dealt with whatever issues they have.
Who seeks a wife thinking "I will find one I'm not attracted to physically, as she is less likely to leave me?" First, I have seen plenty of women that I would consider "physically unattractive" who have been very successful with men. I also have friends who are very physically attractive - one, in her youth, was one of the most stunningly beautiful women I know - who can't keep a man long term (I think I know why), and never married.
Apparently, the number 1 predictor of divorce is lack of control. By that, I mean, one partner (or both) doesn't feel "heard", and doesn't feel respected in their decisions. I can fully understand this, and I can see how this would lead to divorce.
Personally, again, beyond your misogyny, on some level, you don't think you are "good enough", yet you are "too good" for local women. I would hazard a guess you are very awkward with women. I think if you find an FSUW, your worst fears will be realized, as "seek and you will find". I think you should date locally for a couple of years, just so you know, personality wise, what you can put up with and what you can't. Everyone has flaws, and conversely, everyone has facets of their personalities that will appeal to you. I think you need experience to learn what, in a woman's personality, is something you want, and what you absolutely could not live with.
I think you are probably right Boe about a higher divorce rate for WM & FSW and the reasons for that. I'm going to hazard a guess that the pretty woman you know simply is spoilt for choice and like a kid in a candy store is always attracted to wanting to try many sweets. She might also have issues with her personality being a bit high and above others and thinking many men ending up as not good enough for her.
The thing is though I'm a man not a woman, so things are not as nearly as easy. Women get men chasing them, even not so very attractive women unless they are real bad. A guy though needs some big positive thing going for him, anything negative will sink his chances with most women. Back in the day most men had the provider card to attract women as the one big positive thing, now women don't need that so they focus on other things, looks, wealth, career social status, social ability, physique, etc, etc. Many guys don't have that stuff as sone you're born with others might be acquired but they are hard to. A guy who is lacking in the above likely won't attract good women, bad ones possibly. Guys who have stuff women see as negative may struggle to attract a good women, say if the guy us short, ginger, fat, socially awkward, etc unless he has a big positive to offset that. Women do like guys with issues they feel they are experts at spotting them.
Am I socially awkward with women? Not really, not really much at all, but I would say I am not socially skilled with women in terms of being able to be that persuasive with them. My issue is generally I'm not a pretty boy, I'm just everyday looking and I'm lacking in any great positive as yet to hook a woman with and keep her. Many other guys are in the same position these days so I'm far from an anomaly.
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I don't think what Bill says is at all obvious, there are many different types of FSW, sone like theatre & music, some are party girls, some like dinning out, some like fashion, sone like travelling, some like animals, etc, etc.
Just like women anywhere in the world.
Probably many, many types for me to want to guess them all. I would if anything have liked the advice Bill just gave a lot sooner in my search. It's not easy picking out what to look for if not knowing what to look for.
When you meet someone initially, you know nothing about the person. It takes time and perseverance to get to know a person.
You seem to think it’s a tick box exercise, categorising women into little boxes which you tick or cross off.
All your theorising is simply rubbish. Truth be told, you are just scared of being taken to the cleaners by the first woman you shack up with.
Can’t say I would blame the woman who would do that. With the attitudes you project here, you’d probably deserve it.
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Am I socially awkward with women? Not really, not really much at all, but I would say I am not socially skilled with women in terms of being able to be that persuasive with them. My issue is generally I'm not a pretty boy, I'm just everyday looking and I'm lacking in any great positive as yet to hook a woman with and keep her. Many other guys are in the same position these days so I'm far from an anomaly.
I am not a pretty boy and do not exude masculinity, nor do I have a personality or anything that makes women swoon at first look.
I only have a pleasant smile, gentle yet firm way of talking, extraordinary sense of humor, and some unknown quality that makes people (women and men) quickly feel as if they have known me for many months.
Women let me take their hand and/or hug them very quickly when I have seen the same women push other men away in the same circumstance. Perhaps I seem 'safe' to them.
I only had one FSU woman out of hundreds who refused to come to my apartment during our first date. I was quite surprised at this willingness to come to my apartment. Myself, I wouldn't have gone to an apartment with this many unknown people.
Who knows.
Note: Concerning the phenomenon that people quickly feel that they have known me for years . . . During my school years, we moved almost every year. I went to 12 different school. All of you probably noticed that new kids at your school were mostly very shy and it took them a long time to 'fit in.'
However, since I was always the 'new kid,' I was practiced and never acted like the new kid. I gently and quickly worked my way into almost any clique using the same techniques noted above. i.e. Ready smile, great sense of humor, gentle yet firm demeanor, etc.
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Many guys don't have that stuff
You lack confidence, that's what women want and you don't have it.
You have ten thousand irrational fears and croon on about them
ad nauseam. You are lazy and lack discipline so you rationalize
and make excuses for it.
Seriously, can't Trench have his own thread again?
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I'm going to hazard a guess that the pretty woman you know simply is spoilt for choice and like a kid in a candy store is always attracted to wanting to try many sweets. She might also have issues with her personality being a bit high and above others and thinking many men ending up as not good enough for her.
Your guess would be 100% wrong. She also never thought she was above others, or that any of the men she dated were not good enough for her.
The thing is though I'm a man not a woman, so things are not as nearly as easy.
LOL. Yes, women have it so easy. /s
Seriously, can't Trench have his own thread again?
This is his thread.
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You lack confidence, that's what women want and you don't have it.
You have ten thousand irrational fears and croon on about them
ad nauseam. You are lazy and lack discipline so you rationalize
and make excuses for it.
Seriously, can't Trench have his own thread again?
Let me tell you how things have been going for me on Fdate recently Bill, actually quite well as it so happens in some sense. I managed to get a good photo taken, non-pro but with a good set of clothes on, etc. It got around 7.5 on Photofeeler compared with all my others that just got 5 ish at the best. So recently I put just this one photo on Fdate, the rest of the photos I figured would just pull me down. The result, loads more views from women, mostly FSW and many more initial emails from them. Now not all of them were suitable, some had kids etc. I think in the end only one I fancied writing too.
So then I thought to write to quite a number of girls in Kiev see what response I got. Turns out quite a lot, all of a sudden it was like I had become a rock star :D lol. In fact I had to stop writing to women as I was getting do much correspondence and knew I wouldn't be able to keep up. I was getting decent messages back and forth. I also told the girls I was an 'Investor' in property and companies. Now that has some truth but of course is pretty overcooked as you can imagine ;)
So next I thought well they've probably got an idea in their head that I am a very wealthy investor despite me not saying that. So then I decided to contact some Ukrainian girls on Fdate by dropping the 'Investor' as my occupation and explanation of my work and decided instead to contact girls and say straight up that I worked in a pretty everyday working class sort of job and asked them what they did. I messaged girls in Kharkov (Kharkiv) as Kiev was pretty exhausted of decent enough looking girls who were on there regularly enough so I went for decent enough looking girls who were on Fdate regularly enough in Kharkov. The result, though many looked at my profile few messaged back, even then it was only three and short vague messages (yes they had down they knew English) I messaged back but nothing further. The difference in interest was of course very stark and can be easily seen, it was kind of humourous in a way even.
So there we have it, Ukrainian women will look at you way more if you have a photo where you look above average in looks. They will then be line flies around sh*t if you put in your profile something that sounds like you are rolling in money and they we message you and message back enthusiastically as a result.
For me though it kind of shows the tipping point where you can go from not very much interest at all from Ukrainian women to very much interest from Ukrainian women. If you're average everyday looking (which most people are) and have an everyday job (which most people do) you won't get much interest at all, in fact it will likely be hard going unless you go for a minger. If you're above average in looks and cone across as quite wealthy then you'll get a lot of interest. Then it is just a case of working your way through them and finding a girl who as you say Bill is exceptional in some way.
Obviously for me though it helped me discover what makes those women tick on those sites my problems kind of remain namely not enough wealth or good looking enough. Upon meeting or if it went further those issues would of course be apparent and the girl's attitude change I am pretty sure of that.
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Well ,seeing as you don't look like a rock star and you ain't wealthy,you could become a bad guy to get the wimmin.: )
My mate is 70,bald and overweight,ex jailbird and been married five times.
He always has plenty of cash due to his dodgy dealings,and only dates good-looking wimmin in their twenties and thirties( at a push )..with or without kids ( older women and mingers don't do it for him )
He's on the prowl again now after dumping the girl in her twenties he'd spent four years with...he wouldn't even consider looking abroad though..plenty of fish here he says.
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Well ,seeing as you don't look like a rock star and you ain't wealthy,you could become a bad guy to get the wimmin.: )
My mate is 70,bald and overweight,ex jailbird and been married five times.
He always has plenty of cash due to his dodgy dealings,and only dates good-looking wimmin in their twenties and thirties( at a push )..with or without kids ( older women and mingers don't do it for him )
He's on the prowl again now after dumping the girl in her twenties he'd spent four years with...he wouldn't even consider looking abroad though..plenty of fish here he says.
Yeah because he is seen as wealthy with plenty of cash to splash. Girls don't really care how you get the money so long as you can get it, kind of shows a lot of girls sense of morality there. Of course the not so good looking ones may care, possibly even the odd few food looking ones but most good looking ones don't care they just think it is what they are due and are prepared to go with anyone who has got it.
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Girls don't really care how you get the money so long as you can get it, kind of shows a lot of girls sense of morality there. Of course the not so good looking ones may care, possibly even the odd few food looking ones but most good looking ones don't care they just think it is what they are due and are prepared to go with anyone who has got it.
You are a walking advertisement of misogyny.
Some women don't care how men earn their money. Those same women also are willing, in their twenties, to sleep with a man who may be older than their grandfather. Other women do care, on both fronts. It has nothing to do with physical attractiveness.
On the flip side, lots of men don't care about a woman's character, or lack thereof, provided she is "hot enough". Others don't want a woman who is too smart. It's an affront to their egos.
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I also told the girls I was an 'Investor' in property and companies. Now that has some truth but of course is pretty overcooked as you can imagine ;)
Why would you set yourself up for failure? You are going to attract the wrong
women with crap like that.
You should say that you have simplified your life so that you can spend time
with a woman you love. You have a part time job, you've managed to make
a few kopecks renting out rooms. USE the word kopecks so that they know
it's not much.
Tell them you like to go on frugal holidays, picnics, sight seeing, walking in
parks and nature, blah, blah, blah. Tell them you bring along a lunch rather
than eat out because it's healthier and tastier.
That is how you can find a woman who will love your broke penny pinching self.
Why didn't you tell them that you were brain surgeon/stunt pilot/hedge fund manager?
You are totally clueless.
The difference in interest was of course very stark and can be easily seen, it was kind of humourous in a way even.
So there we have it
Trench you are going to have serious difficulties finding a woman. You need to
understand that this is a numbers game. You will need to sort through thousands
before you find one that is interested in your broke and lazy self.
Stop lumping all FSU girls or all Ukrainian girls together.
Stop the social experiments, start learning Russian work on it 4 hours per day.
Start writing women who are 39 and older and if they don't answer, ask them
"How are you going to get married and live happily ever after with me if you
don't respond to my letters?"
You need to lather, rinse and repeat thousands of times because you
screw so many things up, have zero discipline and can't learn from others.
Then it is just a case of working your way through them and finding a girl who
as you say Bill is exceptional in some way.
Do that, lather rinse and repeat until you win
Obviously for me though it helped me discover what makes those women tick on those sites my problems kind of remain namely not enough wealth or good looking enough.
Every single one of those women tick differently. NONE of them are the same.
You need to find the ONE girl who ticks for you. Hopefully you aren't doing a
time wasting social experiment at the time and discard her or lie to her and
have her discard you.
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Trench,
Do you see how 2tallbill thinks outside the box regarding women ?
Do you see how he turns potential negatives regarding yourself and women into a positive ?
If you follow his advise you'll find a decent girl who isn't materialistic.
As BOE and 2tallbill have pointed out..not all women are the same...it depends on what you're looking for.
If you're looking for a hot and sexy-dressing girl with an edge,as you've previously stated,then you're competing with men who make a lot of money like my 70 year-old mate..because those kind of girls tend to gravitate to men like him.
Be aware those kind of girls tend to have issues you'll need to overlook though.
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Those same women also are willing, in their twenties, to sleep with a man who may be older than their grandfather.
I am always a little 'put off' by this use of the words 'sleep with.'
Let's just use the more descriptive words 'have sex with.'
For instance, wife and I don't sleep together. Neither can sleep well with another in the bed.
But we do get together in various locales at various times to perform various sex acts, some of which are illegal in 17 states.
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Trench,
Do you see how 2tallbill thinks outside the box regarding women ?
Do you see how he turns potential negatives regarding yourself and women into a positive ?
If you follow his advise you'll find a decent girl who isn't materialistic.
As BOE and 2tallbill have pointed out..not all women are the same...it depends on what you're looking for.
If you're looking for a hot and sexy-dressing girl with an edge,as you've previously stated,then you're competing with men who make a lot of money like my 70 year-old mate..because those kind of girls tend to gravitate to men like him.
Be aware those kind of girls tend to have issues you'll need to overlook though.
I know, an average everyday girl or less I could find a good girl who I would probably do well with but if we had kids it's pretty much a certainty that they could end up struggling in dating also. I wouldn't want to see that not without trying to get a girl where she might pass on some good looks to help things out. Bill has shown a pic of himself here before and he's an above average looking guy think Bill Clinton looking. As I found from my 'social experiment' that if you're above average looking you get way more choice and it all comes a lot easier. Aside from that I of course get attracted to hot looking girls, I just can't help it and I think it might be a hard search to find an everyday looking girl who I find myself attracted too. I mean it can happen but it's not nearly as easy. Some photos on Fdate I just can't see the girl as attractive at all. Worst is that a few of them are fatties or just plain ugly looking or both. At best out of the rest might be a few girls that look a bit unattractive facially, a bit weird looking in the face or whatever. So it's not as straight forward as it may sound.
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I know, an average everyday girl or less I could find a good girl who I would probably do well with but if we had kids it's pretty much a certainty that they could end up struggling in dating also. I wouldn't want to see that not without trying to get a girl where she might pass on some good looks to help things out. Bill has shown a pic of himself here before and he's an above average looking guy think Bill Clinton looking. As I found from my 'social experiment' that if you're above average looking you get way more choice and it all comes a lot easier. Aside from that I of course get attracted to hot looking girls, I just can't help it and I think it might be a hard search to find an everyday looking girl who I find myself attracted too. I mean it can happen but it's not nearly as easy. Some photos on Fdate I just can't see the girl as attractive at all. Worst is that a few of them are fatties or just plain ugly looking or both. At best out of the rest might be a few girls that look a bit unattractive facially, a bit weird looking in the face or whatever. So it's not as straight forward as it may sound.
Freud would write a book about you.....
Talk about a sense of entitlement here.
So a hot chick is supposed to lower her expectations and hook up with a less than average Joe (that’s you, Trench) but you think you can play well above your pay grade because the ladies who you should be ‘targeting’ are the fuglies!!!!!
You’re well into Incel groupthink here.
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Freud would write a book about you.....
Talk about a sense of entitlement here.
So a hot chick is supposed to lower her expectations and hook up with a less than average Joe (that’s you, Trench) but you think you can play well above your pay grade because the ladies who you should be ‘targeting’ are the fuglies!!!!!
You’re well into Incel groupthink here.
Well a hot chick on Fdate is supposedly free and available and there are no decent local guys she can date as she doesn't want to date poor guys in a poor country. Odds are though she is well overestimating the wealth of the guys who rock up on Fdate. Fdate is a free dating site for guys so probably not the best place she can head too as the guys using it don't want to spend out. EM, Cute Only or even dmnotify would probably be a better choice for her. In general though I tend to get the impression that Ukrainian girls well overestimate the wealth of guys that are interested in dating women in Ukraine in the first place. Few will be the Millionaires that they think will be after them as there aren't that many Millionaires interested in dating abroad in general and of course those that are have their own country of preference. Hence many of the girls on there will be wasting their time trying to find a wealthy guy. There are of course other reasons why they may be on there. As I've said I've noticed a few that are overweight, unattractive, getting on a bit so pension plan ideas like Nano had. There are possibly some that are interested in genuinely just finding love but I think they are few and pretty far between. I know the FSU works on the man as the provider model so a lot of the time that is all the woman cares about. Many guys think they have found love when all they have really found is a girl who is willing to tag along so long as he provides. Many FSW are adept at making love to any guy, many won't even care if she is into him but will still make love so long as he provides ok. The guy provides the girl gives sex.
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Well a hot chick on Fdate is supposedly free and available and there are no decent local guys she can date as she doesn't want to date poor guys in a poor country. Odds are though she is well overestimating the wealth of the guys who rock up on Fdate. Fdate is a free dating site for guys so probably not the best place she can head too as the guys using it don't want to spend out. EM, Cute Only or even dmnotify would probably be a better choice for her. In general though I tend to get the impression that Ukrainian girls well overestimate the wealth of guys that are interested in dating women in Ukraine in the first place. Few will be the Millionaires that they think will be after them as there aren't that many Millionaires interested in dating abroad in general and of course those that are have their own country of preference. Hence many of the girls on there will be wasting their time trying to find a wealthy guy. There are of course other reasons why they may be on there. As I've said I've noticed a few that are overweight, unattractive, getting on a bit so pension plan ideas like Nano had. There are possibly some that are interested in genuinely just finding love but I think they are few and pretty far between. I know the FSU works on the man as the provider model so a lot of the time that is all the woman cares about. Many guys think they have found love when all they have really found is a girl who is willing to tag along so long as he provides. Many FSW are adept at making love to any guy, many won't even care if she is into him but will still make love so long as he provides ok. The guy provides the girl gives sex.
Well Ukraine and Russia are the lands of sponsors,where wealthy men,often married,look after hot girls financially for being their mistresses.
That's the entitlement mentality of hot girls,which is often pandered to, there you're up against.
As for these girls chances of finding a foreign millionaire to marry them,their best bet is with wealthy Arabs and Turks.
Beautiful Russian and Ukrainian women are sought after by wealthy Arabs and Turks.
Turkey is actually full of hot blondes from Russia and Ukraine who've married wealthy Turks...far more than you get in the UK.
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Well Ukraine and Russia are the lands of sponsors,where wealthy men,often married,look after hot girls financially for being their mistresses.
That's the entitlement mentality of hot girls there you're up against.
As for these girls chances of finding a foreign millionaire to marry them,their best bet is with wealthy Arabs and Turks.
Turkey is actually full of hot blondes from Russia and Ukraine who've married wealthy Turks...far more than you get in the UK.
Yeah that sounds about right CB. Some of those hot girls will of course find a wealthy guy some won't and of those girls that do it's probably likely as you say that it's just as a mistress or its to rich Turks & Saudi's. Most wealthy western guys can find hot western girls if they so want it.
I'm seeing profiles of women around 40 who while still good looking are pretty much at the end of their shelf life in terms of appealing to the sort of wealthy guys they likely once did and probably were in a relationship with for a while before the guy moved on. That or they met a series of guys who were not so wealthy but they thought they were and had a short term thing with them. At around 40 they are still holding out for the wealthy guy to appear and wisk them away, very unlikely to happen I think.
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Many FSW are adept at making love to any guy, many won't even care if she is into him but will still make love so long as he provides ok.
This is not 'making love' this is 'having sex.'
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Yeah that sounds about right CB. Some of those hot girls will of course find a wealthy guy some won't and of those girls that do it's probably likely as you say that it's just as a mistress or its to rich Turks & Saudi's. Most wealthy western guys can find hot western girls if they so want it.
I'm seeing profiles of women around 40 who while still good looking are pretty much at the end of their shelf life in terms of appealing to the sort of wealthy guys they likely once did and probably were in a relationship with for a while before the guy moved on. That or they met a series of guys who were not so wealthy but they thought they were and had a short term thing with them. At around 40 they are still holding out for the wealthy guy to appear and wisk them away, very unlikely to happen I think.
Trench, just get yourself a sex doll. You’ll have a ‘hot chick’ in your bed and wont have any worries about being taken for a ‘ride’ and losing all you own.
Wealthy or not, this ‘babe’ will give you a good ROI.
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Trench, just get yourself a sex doll. You’ll have a ‘hot chick’ in your bed and wont have any worries about being taken for a ‘ride’ and losing all you own.
Wealthy or not, this ‘babe’ will give you a good ROI.
So do these dolls have a built in heat source to provide the hot chick feature?
And I thought being taken for a ride with the doll would be the goal.
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Well a hot chick on Fdate is supposedly free and available and there are no decent local guys she can date as she doesn't want to date poor guys in a poor country. Odds are though she is well overestimating the wealth of the guys who rock up on Fdate. Fdate is a free dating site for guys so probably not the best place she can head too as the guys using it don't want to spend out. EM, Cute Only or even dmnotify would probably be a better choice for her. In general though I tend to get the impression that Ukrainian girls well overestimate the wealth of guys that are interested in dating women in Ukraine in the first place. Few will be the Millionaires that they think will be after them as there aren't that many Millionaires interested in dating abroad in general and of course those that are have their own country of preference. Hence many of the girls on there will be wasting their time trying to find a wealthy guy. There are of course other reasons why they may be on there. As I've said I've noticed a few that are overweight, unattractive, getting on a bit so pension plan ideas like Nano had. There are possibly some that are interested in genuinely just finding love but I think they are few and pretty far between. I know the FSU works on the man as the provider model so a lot of the time that is all the woman cares about. Many guys think they have found love when all they have really found is a girl who is willing to tag along so long as he provides. Many FSW are adept at making love to any guy, many won't even care if she is into him but will still make love so long as he provides ok. The guy provides the girl gives sex.
Trench,
You have decided that all FSUW are the same and that they are beyond
your limited abilities and meager resources.
“If it flies, floats or fornicates, rent it, don't buy it,” Tommy Earl Bruner
Maybe you need to consider Tommy's theory.
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Trench,
You have decided that all FSUW are the same and that they are beyond
your limited abilities and meager resources.
“If it flies, floats or fornicates, rent it, don't buy it,” Tommy Earl Bruner
Maybe you need to consider Tommy's theory.
It's funny you say that Bill. I'm coming to see western women, FSW and who knows possibly women the world over like vulchers - if you have enough comparative to their position they'll stick with you, if not but there is still something worth taking they'll stick around to take it then leave.
I can see why the man was made the breadwinner back in the day its probably the system that keeps most women content as more men bring in enough for them to stick with them.
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It's funny you say that Bill. I'm coming to see western women, FSW and who knows possibly women the world over like vulchers - if you have enough comparative to their position they'll stick with you, if not but there is still something worth taking they'll stick around to take it then leave.
I can see why the man was made the breadwinner back in the day its probably the system that keeps most women content as more men bring in enough for them to stick with them.
Thought more about this and the way I see it is that I reckon I could get an average everyday looking Filipino girl or possibly Brazilian and have a realistic prospect of her staying with me, main reason is because of their ethnicity it will make it harder for them to find someone else in the UK. Most guys in the UK aren't all that keen on dating someone of a different ethnicity (skin tone) I think so it's harder for such girls to move from one guy to another. A hot looking above average girl will probably have better success but for most average looks girls it would be a case of where would they go? An average looking FSW girl of white ethnicity would be able to easily enough be seen as dateable by other guys. If her English is pretty poor it may be an impediment but generally she could up and date another guy relatively easily. So in that respect the FSU for women could likely not be the best place for me to look for a woman.
On Tinder recently and it kind of reminded me of everything wrong with dating English girls. Our society is f*cked up, about half the women on their have kids and it just makes me wonder how they came to see the father as such an expedient component in the relationship. To my mind if they are willing to ditch the guy with a kid then I am not likely to fair any better. To be honest I don't really want to be raising someone else's kid either they made their choice and should have stuck by their choice it's none of my concern. I was surprised that many of the women were dressed well in dresses though but that was really where the good news ended. If they didn't have kids they tended to be the more career type of girl and I know how high there expectations are so likely pointless there. Anyway I clicked on a load just to see if I would get any sort of response back. I'm not holding my breath, even with a better photo I think I am barking up the wrong tree there. Just really needed to make sure I'm not passing over on the local market for no good reason.
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Thought more about this and the way I see it is that I reckon.............................
You are repeating yourself.
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You are repeating yourself.
No, he says he is reckon(ing) !!
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You are repeating yourself.
There's actually a difference, Ukrainian, Russians are generally white ethnicity but Filipino's generally less so. Filipino's apparently vary in skin tone but even the more lighter ones aren't exactly completely white. So unless she is real model looking most UK guys won't be that interested. I'm not necessarily completely set on the idea, I think that in terms of it working it's more likely than with a FSW, from what I've see they tend to be nice and slim, some cam be as talk as 5,8" so can mean a great figure. I've also tend to see them as a little more passive and so easier to get one with perhaps. Downsides is greater distance to Philippines and the virus will likely make that lies problematic. I looked on Fdate and a fair number on there. The real hot looking ones I don't think I would last long with once they are in the UK. The everyday looking ones are likely sound though. Many of the Filipino girls go for man quite often a fair but older moreso than Ukrainian girls I sure. I tend to get the impression that they just want a comfortable lifestyle and are probably not as concerned as finding a really rich guy like many Ukrainian girls, great if he is most likely but even my level of wealth is no doubt a step up for them.
Checking out a bit of forum type material it seems that the rest is pretty much the same score, ignore those asking for money, beware the immigration mule intentions and just make sure you get to know the girl well enough.
So definite food for thought I think. May start messaging a few on Fdate and see how I find them.
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some cam be as tall as 5,8"
One in a thousand.
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probably not as concerned as finding a really rich guy like many Ukrainian girls, great if he is most likely but even my level of wealth is no doubt a step up for them.
Maybe they aren't thinking about finding a rich guy, but you had better be, moreso than with FSU gals.
Some (actually very few in my experience) FSU gals expect the WM to help support her parents back home . . . but with Filipina gals, the WM will be expected to provide some support to parents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, maybe even friends of the family, etc.
Ask GQ for a more definitive answer here.
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Maybe they aren't thinking about finding a rich guy, but you had better be, moreso than with FSU gals.
Some (actually very few in my experience) FSU gals expect the WM to help support her parents back home . . . but with Filipina gals, the WM will be expected to provide some support to parents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, maybe even friends of the family, etc.
Ask GQ for a more definitive answer here.
Surely with exchange rates and lower standard of living out there it will only cost me a few English pence a week :D
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Ask GQ for a more definitive answer here.
That's true GQ may have a better take on this than me.
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Maybe they aren't thinking about finding a rich guy, but you had better be, moreso than with FSU gals.
Some (actually very few in my experience) FSU gals expect the WM to help support her parents back home . . . but with Filipina gals, the WM will be expected to provide some support to parents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, maybe even friends of the family, etc.
Ask GQ for a more definitive answer here.
One of my colleagues is married to a Filipino woman. Before she even arrived in our country, he financed the construction of her mothers new house. It’s a very basic granny flat and only the price of a good used car, but goes to show what they expect from their husbands.
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Maybe they aren't thinking about finding a rich guy, but you had better be, moreso than with FSU gals.
Some (actually very few in my experience) FSU gals expect the WM to help support her parents back home . . . but with Filipina gals, the WM will be expected to provide some support to parents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, maybe even friends of the family, etc.
Ask GQ for a more definitive answer here.
Trench will never go to the Philippines. It costs $1,300 to 1,500 to fly from London.
It costs like $200 to fly to Kiev. He won't go to Russia because they would charge
him money for a Visa.
Trench is just rehashing his inner incel. In three days he will start a new thread saying
basically the same thing.
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One of my colleagues is married to a Filipino woman.
Yes, it's a financial transaction. Trench should hire a company to rent out
his house and move there. Divorce is forbidden in the Philippines. He could
aspire to be like Winston Wu.
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So definite food for thought I think. May start messaging a few on Fdate and see how I find them.
Should have titled the thread----
How to know if FSW in general are right for you me?
No charge for the suggestion. Also...Vietnamese are the new girls on the block when it comes to foreign dating. And they are beautiful.
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One of my colleagues is married to a Filipino woman. Before she even arrived in our country, he financed the construction of her mothers new house. It’s a very basic granny flat and only the price of a good used car, but goes to show what they expect from their husbands.
Mother's lifelong hope for me: 'Son, I don't care who you settle down with, just make sure it isn't with a Filipina' I'm at a lost to compare any other women that are as domineering as Filipinas are.
As for family support, there's truth to that. But then this shouldn't come as a surprise. The Philippines boast the world's largest population of 'homeless people'. But the one thing one gets from Filipinas (or Filipinos) are that they are not lazy, and will grease-up their elbows to compliment, even support, the household financially. Not too many of them that I'm aware of that are afraid to work - hard. I know a lot of FSUWs, upon arriving to the US aspire to be a stay-at-home wife - or worse, looks for a sponsor (after ditching their mule).
All in all, it's the economy, stupid. If that wasn't true for women of impoverished nations, there wouldn't such a thing as "MOB" as we know it.
To be fair, marrying a cute American white trash female whose family hails from downtrodden mobile home community will undoubtedly put one in the same situation of marrying into a family in varying degree. To get even fair(er), even if both persons are well off, helping one side of the family, now and then - all the time, etc...is a given.
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So what do you guys do when your FSW gets argumentative? A lot of FSW seem to have an argumentative streak in them and sooner or later it comes out and it seems to be a downward spiral once that occurs from what I see.
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So what do you guys do when your FSW gets argumentative?
It depends on what it's about. If I don't really care about the subject or if she's just being a snot I'll decline the argument. If I DO care about the subject or if she persists in being a bitch for no reason I can yell a lot louder than she can.
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So what do you guys do when your FSW gets argumentative? A lot of FSW seem to have an argumentative streak in them and sooner or later it comes out and it seems to be a downward spiral once that occurs from what I see.
Why are you asking such questions? You haven’t got an FSW nor are you likely to get one so there’s zero benefit to you.
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Why are you asking such questions? You haven’t got an FSW nor are you likely to get one so there’s zero benefit to you.
Hey John, let's don't be so rude.
Just because TC asked the question, doesn't mean answers won't have some value for others to read.
Wife and I almost never argue.
Now, we have had serious disagreements, a few which have nearly ended our relationship.
But we didn't argue about these items. We just had such serious divergence of ideas/goals, that no amount of arguing or even rational discussion could provide any help.
I barely remember the circumstance or how it was resolved . . . but I never have, nor never will engage in protracted arguments with anyone.
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Speaking on the topic of arguments . . .
One interesting aspect of our relationship has been political leanings.
I had never encouraged wife to register to vote.
My reasoning was that most of her EE friends seem to be left leaning and I had fears that she would be also.
I could never really live with someone who actively espoused political opinions directly opposed to my own.
I think that many from FSU are left leaning just because they were in a system where the government provided most all services (whether poorly or not) and they sort of like the idea that some system will take care of them.
But in the last couple of years I have been pleased to notice that she seems to be quite negative toward left leaning politicians and their policies.
Today in watching the news shows she became quite vocal about her unhappiness that so much money is being and will be provided to those who are not working.
She told me (for not the first time) very loudly how she worked 3 jobs during the 90s and 2000s in Ukraine when the economy went into the crapper, to keep food on the table.
She then said she was ready to register to vote.
So I told her we would get that taken care of.
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Hey John, let's don't be so rude.
Just because TC asked the question, doesn't mean answers won't have some value for others to read.
I’m not being rude. I do, however, get tired of reading TC’s constant negativity towards FSUW.
Since they’re all such money grabbing, argumentative jaded con artists, out to fleece every bloke (according to TC), why is he even on this forum?
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I’m not being rude. I do, however, get tired of reading TC’s constant negativity towards FSUW.
Since they’re all such money grabbing, argumentative jaded con artists, out to fleece every bloke (according to TC), why is he even on this forum?
I wouldn't be writing it if it wasn't what I was finding as I would have no reason too. Why are there some girls on dating sites such as Fdate, EM, etc that are in their twenties willing to date guys my age and older? Why are there even more Filipino girls willing to do the same or older still?
The answer is usually that they are looking for a wealthy comfortable lifestyle or they are looking for an guy to use as an immigration mule possibly upgrading thereafter. I can't possibly think that these girls really want to be in a marriage and have kids with a guy out of finding what they feel as true love.
I personally think now that anyone doing online dating whether in their home country or abroad has a motive. I think motive is an inherent part of someone putting themselves forward for online dating, a reason for doing so that goes beyond avoiding loneliness or looking for love. That it pushes people to think of motives beyond that in doing so. Like how attractive looking the person they envision, or how wealthy, comfortable lifestyle, height, physique, social life, etc, etc. It's not like real life when we go out not looking to meet anyone but then just happen upon someone. If that someone catches our eye although there may still be a subconscious thought of whether they are the type of person that person likes there isn't really any motive it just happened by chance.
I've been on Tinder recently with my good photo and to be honest it's brought back all the reasons I look abroad. Aside from the odd few fatties and women I don't find attractive, women with kids, career girls, etc yes there are quite a few attractive women on there in their late thirties and early forties, I swipe on them but no joy. I found out recently from a girl that she when on Tinder and got 2000 likes in a month, I got about 2 after a night of swiping for 2-3 hours. It's just ridiculous. Then they complain that the guys they hook up with just want sex, yeah the pretty boys they hook up with lol.
So yeah I don't hold much stock in any women really. I just can't trust them. Get the right one and it may work but so many just give me the impression they could do more harm to my life than good at the moment. Women with motives everywhere. I'm not even sure if I could get on with the hobbies or interests she may have. FSW well argumentative might be a bit far but I think many ate obstinate is the word I think most correctly describes them and that with many guys can lead quickly to arguments. I think the input from the guys above tend to substantiate this. I think it sounds like ML does well by not playing into moments when their obstinate behaviour comes up. Some other guys may have gotten lucky by landing a FSW who does not have this obstinate behaviour but I think it's a common trait they have particularly those left International Dating.
Now you can perhaps tell us how you found FSW if you like JG? My guess is that you will tell us your marriage is a bed of roses, perfumed scent every day, but what about the other girls you met while you were looking in the FSU?
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The problem, Trench, is you. Sure, dating sites use superficial things in screening, but it's no less superficial than say, meeting someone in a bar.
Of course FSUW looking for foreigners expect a step up in their living. They wouldn't be moving half way across the globe for a downgrade in lifestyle. Is there anything wrong in that?
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The problem, Trench, is you. Sure, dating sites use superficial things in screening, but it's no less superficial than say, meeting someone in a bar.
Of course FSUW looking for foreigners expect a step up in their living. They wouldn't be moving half way across the globe for a downgrade in lifestyle. Is there anything wrong in that?
I wouldn't say that living with me would be a downgrade in lifestyle my terrace, ahem, townhouse is still better than a concrete block Soviet era flat. I'm also not half way around the globe, not even a quarter of the way from Ukraine, in fact it's just a three hour journey by plane.
I know they have something more grand in mind even in that circumstance of not being that far from Ukraine, at least the pretty ones do. The younger ones that are not so pretty maybe not the older ones possibly not though I tend to get the impression that they are after a pension plan.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with them wanting more into the bargain, but I don't think they are at all likely to get it. Most wealthy guys here will go for the pretty girls, those that are wealthy and can't get the pretty girls here will either go for the not so pretty girls or none at all if they are put off by their wealth attracting women and not themselves. Only a very small few will try abroad, the number is probably so small that their odds of landing a rich guy is pretty slim. Remember other countries the rich guy may go to also.
FSU Dating on paper at least may not work so great for me but it's still got more go in it than dating at home. Dating scene at home is just appalling. It's why you're getting Incels in the younger generation it's gotten so bad. Why it's got so atrocious for us men I don't know. So at the moment the FSU Dating thing remains the best option though I really have my doubts if it would work.
Why apart from looks I'm not very dateable I don't know. I'm apparently everyday average looks though some girls would of course not rate me well there. I'm 6ft tall, still a full head of brown hair which at early to mid forties isn't doing bad. I'm not badly aging or anything. I can talk to people though I'm not the world's best socializer. I'm average build, not overweight or anything.
Ok I'm no Hollywood film star, no hot looking model guy, not a real wealthy guy but let's face it many people aren't. I won't say I'm alone in finding the dating world hard going but why it is like this is just ridiculous. Why there are a load of pretty girls floating around on Tinder who just somehow can't find a long term relationship is also ridiculous despite being liked by loads of guys.
And before you say it no it's not my attitude. I don't often show my attitude, I behave in a decent way towards women as that's what I feel is right even if I have my doubts about them I leave that to show whether if true.
My personal opinion is that things aren't working well in the dating world because they've become messed up in society. Women expect so much off men but most men know they can't fulfill that, that's where the problems start. It's not just dating these days but not having a LTR go south. It's not just me and where this is going to end who knows.
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Just tried Bumble, it's an alternative app to Tinder. Looks like there are a load of Munsters on there. Well the ones that liked me are. I may not be a model but I wouldn't say I'm in the ugly category either, at least not according to Photofeeler, around a 5 ish on most photos. Looks like the women want to date up on there and think the men will date down. FSU Dating still preferable on that front. So far of those that liked me on Bumble I don't think I would care to date any of them.
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Just tried Bumble, it's an alternative app to Tinder. Looks like there are a load of Munsters on there. Well the ones that liked me are. I may not be a model but I wouldn't say I'm in the ugly category either, at least not according to Photofeeler, around a 5 ish on most photos. Looks like the women want to date up on there and think the men will date down. FSU Dating still preferable on that front. So far of those that liked me on Bumble I don't think I would care to date any of them.
So on Bumble again today actually got a match last night with a girl that is reasonably attractive looking enough. So apparently it is up to the girls on there to write first even if they clicked like first which she did. So not holding my breath there. Getting a higher number of likes than on Tinder by a bit but a lot of them the girls are a bit odd looking then again most of those that did click like on Tinder also that way.
Again quite a few pretty girls popping up on Bubble like Tinder. Whether there is less of a hook up culture who knows.
Weirdest thing is a lot of them are looking like they are in their late twenties/early thirties when a lot are well into their forties. One girl was like this and she was 47! I'm really starting to suspect that they are putting up pics of themselves from when they were in their late twenties and early thirties. The first pic the 47 year old girl put up was her in a black dress in some kind of bar/nightclub looking pretty hot. My guess is it was from when she was in her late twenties and thirties. I know some people age well but think some are playing it a bit on there. I'm also getting the impression that some are putting up a pic of when they were a bit younger and mixing it with a few when they were a bit older in their following photos. Either that or those girls have been on there a long time lol.
It was £2.99 for a day to try if interested to see what it is like, but remember to unsubscribe straight away in your profile section as they put you on reoccurring billing, that old trick.
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I wouldn't be writing it if it wasn't what I was finding as I would have no reason too. Why are there some girls on dating sites such as Fdate, EM, etc that are in their twenties willing to date guys my age and older? Why are there even more Filipino girls willing to do the same or older still?
There will always be some women who are as you describe but It’s up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.
The trouble with you is you are suspicious of all women because your default position is that women are out to scam/fleece/trade up/ gold diggers etc etc.
Now you can perhaps tell us how you found FSW if you like JG? My guess is that you will tell us your marriage is a bed of roses, perfumed scent every day, but what about the other girls you met while you were looking in the FSU?
I didn’t look for an FSUW. I was dating at home for a while, quite successfully, I should say.
I just ended up looking east quite by chance.
I found my wife about 8 months in and 2 months after 1st contact I went and met her.
I had met some other ladies before her but they weren’t for me, not because they were in any way how you portray fsuw but just not right for me.
I knew my wife was right for me pretty quickly but I courted her for over a year involving many trips to and fro between us before she deemed me suitable to marry.
We’ve been married 10 years. No marriage is a bed of roses. It takes patience, perseverance, commitment, compromise and a host of other attributes to make a marriage work.
That’s true for all marriages, not just those to FSUW.
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The problem, Trench, is you.
100%.
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...I've been on Tinder recently with my good photo and to be honest it's brought back all the reasons I look abroad. Aside from the odd few fatties and women I don't find attractive, women with kids, career girls, etc yes there are quite a few attractive women on there in their late thirties and early forties, I swipe on them but no joy. I found out recently from a girl that she when on Tinder and got 2000 likes in a month, I got about 2 after a night of swiping for 2-3 hours. It's just ridiculous. Then they complain that the guys they hook up with just want sex, yeah the pretty boys they hook up with lol.
So yeah I don't hold much stock in any women really. I just can't trust them. Get the right one and it may work but so many just give me the impression they could do more harm to my life than good at the moment. Women with motives everywhere. I'm not even sure if I could get on with the hobbies or interests she may have. FSW well argumentative might be a bit far but I think many ate obstinate is the word I think most correctly describes them and that with many guys can lead quickly to arguments. I think the input from the guys above tend to substantiate this.
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Don't get discouraged, TC. Your aspiration in trying to find a mate and be in a relationship, is being challenged only by your distrust and frustration with women. There's an abundance of hope for blokes like you, you know.
I'm sure in the UK, maybe especially in the UK, you guys have dating sites like this (http://www.elitesingles.com/gay-dating?CID=US_SEM_1_807892768_68250769870_321511311531&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr83Ewvf58wIVDXxvBB1pWQ3JEAAYAiAAEgL-2vD_BwE), for example.
Based on your situation and perspectives towards women in general, this may well be the answer that which you seek!?
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I wouldn't say that living with me would be a downgrade in lifestyle my terrace, ahem, townhouse is still better than a concrete block Soviet era flat. I'm also not half way around the globe, not even a quarter of the way from Ukraine, in fact it's just a three hour journey by plane.
It is really no better. Most of those Soviet era flats are very comfortable inside, and they're not "concrete block".
I know they have something more grand in mind even in that circumstance of not being that far from Ukraine, at least the pretty ones do. The younger ones that are not so pretty maybe not the older ones possibly not though I tend to get the impression that they are after a pension plan.
Sigh. Here you go again. Misogyny, rankiing of women, and ulterior motives. With this, you are doomed to fail. Seek counselling to determine the root of your misogyny.
FSU Dating on paper at least may not work so great for me but it's still got more go in it than dating at home. Dating scene at home is just appalling. It's why you're getting Incels in the younger generation it's gotten so bad. Why it's got so atrocious for us men I don't know. So at the moment the FSU Dating thing remains the best option though I really have my doubts if it would work.
If you can't date at home comfortably, you will also fail in the FSU.
Why apart from looks I'm not very dateable I don't know. I'm apparently everyday average looks though some girls would of course not rate me well there. I'm 6ft tall, still a full head of brown hair which at early to mid forties isn't doing bad. I'm not badly aging or anything. I can talk to people though I'm not the world's best socializer. I'm average build, not overweight or anything.
Because people can sense that you are a misogynist, so aren't willing to introduce you to eligible women that they know.
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It is really no better. Most of those Soviet era flats are very comfortable inside, and they're not "concrete block".
Sigh. Here you go again. Misogyny, rankining of women, and ulterior motives. With this, you are doomed to fail. Seek counselling to determine the root of your misogyny.
If you can't date at home comfortably, you will also fail in the FSU.
Because people can sense that you are a misogynist, so aren't willing to introduce you to eligible women that they know.
In theory I can see why it could be said that if a guy can't date at home easily then it will eventually go south with a girl from the FSU. As of course once she gets to realise how things are here and what she can get/is worth then she'll be off. I said up thread about the girl who got 2000 likes on Tinder in a month compared to me and a lot of guys who get just a handful. How long before she discovers that or other tell tale signs who knows? In theory there is roughly one guy to one girl in this country so the picture isn't all that clear as to the opposite disparity here as to the FSU.
However I think that while there is something in if a guy fails at home he will ultimately with a FSW. I also think that some guys who fail at home may not necessarily do so with a girl from the FSU moreso if there not all that far from failing at home. If they've got some stuff going for them the FSW who is used to the men in the FSU dating scene may still see them as good enough.
The woman the guy goes for can count also. If a FSW is not very attractive in some way then guys in the FSU will either pass over her or use her for sex. Neither will give the girl much esteem and she'll see a guy who is serious about her from the west as a sure a thing as it gets. Only in the west with her if the guy shows himself up badly will she likely look around and see what else is going. The assumption on her part will be that she'll struggle like she did at home or similar. In the documentary 'Love Me' there was a guy called Eric, he by his own admission hadn't dated, he didn't know what love was and to be honest he didn't come across all that great. Many of the comments about him in You Tube tended to be a bit bit derogatory. To me he didn't come across as socially skilled, a bit awkward or odd perhaps in some ways and he didn't look too in shape, a bit over, no doubt not the worst around but a bit overweight. He also wasn't dressed too great sometimes in t-shirt, cap, etc. Anyway he found a girl out there and had a baby with her, she was a bit below average on looks facially it is probably fair to say. She seemed to have a good figure on the upside and a seemingly genuine personality. Anyhow main point being is that while Eric was undateable at home he was dateable in the FSU and thereafter when he brought a FSW back to his own country. So while I agree that for some men that being undateable at home will mean so eventually be n the FSU I don't think it's an exact rule of thumb that applies to ever to man.
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His misogyny aside, there are other reasons why Trench will never succeed with FSUW.
His lack of respect for FSU folk and FSU culture.
He doesn’t understand them, he has no wish to understand them and he thinks his ‘culture’ is superior.
He looks down on everything from that part of the world and yet thinks he can marry into it.
I don’t wish you well in this venture TC, because you don’t deserve a woman from there.
You should just go PPP.
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Why are there some girls on dating sites such as Fdate, EM, etc that are in
their twenties willing to date guys my age and older? Why are there even
more Filipino girls willing to do the same or older still?
There are nearly zero FSUW in their twenties willing to date someone your age,
those that do have dubious motivations.
You look at somebody's profile and assume that they selected that age range.
They probably left the question unanswered and somebody at the agency filled
it in or it has a default setting if left blank.
I don't have much experience with Filipina's. I have two casual buddies who went
the MOB route with them and are super happy. There is a large Filipino population
where I used to live in California. I'm a Catholic and we had a Tagalog mass and
sometimes I would go to it. I used to meet with them all the time for cookouts
and barbecues and various things.
The women seemed to like me just fine. You would be surprised how many shorties
really like tall men. But I am really tall and they are usually really short. I've dated
shorties many times before but if they are less than 5' 4" tall then things don't fit
together all that well when tab A goes into slot B.
I seriously doubt that Trench knows what he's talking about in regard to Filipina's.
What are the odds that he's right about anything? 1 in a 100? Less?
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His misogyny aside, there are other reasons why Trench will never succeed with FSUW.
His lack of respect for FSU folk and FSU culture.
He doesn’t understand them, he has no wish to understand them and he thinks his ‘culture’ is superior.
He looks down on everything from that part of the world and yet thinks he can marry into it.
I don’t wish you well in this venture TC, because you don’t deserve a woman from there.
You should just go PPP.
Now that isn't quite true JG. What do Ukrainian women do the other way around, much the same as most I would imagine and see how they find UK, US, Australian culture etc as it goes. There's little point asking someone, 'how are Ukrainian, English, Americans etc in temperament?'. They could tell you what they think but people of course vary even if there is a national overriding temperament. There probably is a general temperament of many Ukrainian people or women. Its not something that is covered a lot when starting out in this venture but I think can be highly relevant. Some people will not have much in the way of problems as their temperament will fit easily enough with FSW others will. I personally have found several to be obstinate, that's not easy to deal with and can easily derail a relationship. A Ukrainian girl can suddenly disagree with something you say or do and won't budge until you agree 100 percent with her. That's not easy for a lot of WM to take most WM aren't brought up like that, it will get their backs up or they will find her too difficult to deal with. However, some WM are doormats and will fold to anything a woman or possibly anyone says. So possibly they may do better with FSW as a result or maybe she may end up lacking respect for them.
I don't look down on anything from that part of the world. However we are from a country what many Ukrainian girls see as desirable to be a part off due to its wealth, stability, pleasant surroundings, etc but that doesn't mean I look down in Ukrainians.
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There are nearly zero FSUW in their twenties willing to date someone your age,
those that do have dubious motivations.
You look at somebody's profile and assume that they selected that age range.
They probably left the question unanswered and somebody at the agency filled
it in or it has a default setting if left blank.
I don't have much experience with Filipina's. I have two casual buddies who went
the MOB route with them and are super happy. There is a large Filipino population
where I used to live in California. I'm a Catholic and we had a Tagalog mass and
sometimes I would go to it. I used to meet with them all the time for cookouts
and barbecues and various things.
The women seemed to like me just fine. You would be surprised how many shorties
really like tall men. But I am really tall and they are usually really short. I've dated
shorties many times before but if they are less than 5' 4" tall then things don't fit
together all that well when tab A goes into slot B.
I seriously doubt that Trench knows what he's talking about in regard to Filipina's.
What are the odds that he's right about anything? 1 in a 100? Less?
Yeah, I have much the same issue with short women. I don't dislike them because of it, many can be both cute and hot looking. I wouldn't not go with a woman because of height but there are of course easier fits.
I think you are right with Filopina girls, they probably wouldn't be as easier for as they at first look. Probably not as placid as they might at first seem. So for now I think I'll probably stay away from them but keep them in mind to check out later some time perhaps and see how I find them. Apparently reading online their skin goes a lot darker if they are outside a bit in the sun though some people say the ones that are more defended from the Spanish tend to have lighter skin. Not saying it's the biggest problem but fitting in would probably be easier here with fairer skin as not many Filopina's in the UK really. Odds are though I may just be exchanging character problems with FSW with other problems with Filipino girls just starting from the ground floor in trying to grapple with them again I'm guessing.
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Yeah, I have much the same issue with short women. I don't dislike them because of it, many can be both cute and hot looking. I wouldn't not go with a woman because of height but there are of course easier fits.
I think you are right with Filopina girls, they probably wouldn't be as easier for as they at first look. Probably not as placid as they might at first seem. So for now I think I'll probably stay away from them but keep them in mind to check out later some time perhaps and see how I find them. Apparently reading online their skin goes a lot darker if they are outside a bit in the sun though some people say the ones that are more defended from the Spanish tend to have lighter skin. Not saying it's the biggest problem but fitting in would probably be easier here with fairer skin as not many Filopina's in the UK really. Odds are though I may just be exchanging character problems with FSW with other problems with Filipino girls just starting from the ground floor in trying to grapple with them again I'm guessing.
say what?
The only one with character problems are YOU trench, a piss poor misogynic incel - you ain't a good catch in any culture
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Now that isn't quite true JG. What do Ukrainian women do the other way around, much the same as most I would imagine and see how they find UK, US, Australian culture etc as it goes. There's little point asking someone, 'how are Ukrainian, English, Americans etc in temperament?'. They could tell you what they think but people of course vary even if there is a national overriding temperament. There probably is a general temperament of many Ukrainian people or women. Its not something that is covered a lot when starting out in this venture but I think can be highly relevant. Some people will not have much in the way of problems as their temperament will fit easily enough with FSW others will. I personally have found several to be obstinate, that's not easy to deal with and can easily derail a relationship. A Ukrainian girl can suddenly disagree with something you say or do and won't budge until you agree 100 percent with her. That's not easy for a lot of WM to take most WM aren't brought up like that, it will get their backs up or they will find her too difficult to deal with. However, some WM are doormats and will fold to anything a woman or possibly anyone says. So possibly they may do better with FSW as a result or maybe she may end up lacking respect for them.
I don't look down on anything from that part of the world. However we are from a country what many Ukrainian girls see as desirable to be a part off due to its wealth, stability, pleasant surroundings, etc but that doesn't mean I look down in Ukrainians.
We are not talking about ‘temperament’ or character traits here.
We are talking about your ‘attitude’ to the FSU and I don’t mean just the women.
Your posts reek of your ‘superiority’ which begets the question.
Why are you looking in the FSU?
When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
She brings with her a life lived in a different world to yours. If you don’t want to understand it or respect it, why bother?
Carry on in your basement.
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We are not talking about ‘temperament’ or character traits here.
We are talking about your ‘attitude’ to the FSU and I don’t mean just the women.
Your posts reek of your ‘superiority’ which begets the question.
Why are you looking in the FSU?
When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
She brings with her a life lived in a different world to yours. If you don’t want to understand it or respect it, why bother?
Carry on in your basement.
Which is why, after 6 years of the same drivel, I really believe this is his niche. (http://www.datingadvice.com/gay/gay-dating-sites-uk). All things (he had shared/shown) considered...
Whoever it will be:
a) Likely be as tall as he is
b) won't leave him for another 'man'
c) UK native will not a) need English Lessons; b) he won't need to spend money for flights and hotels to a foreign country.
d) Will likely be as 'rich' if not more so than him
e) will not be desperate
f) will not have the flaws and evil ways of a 'woman' he's concerned about.
g) would likely not mind sharing the basement with him.
etc...
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Which is why, after 6 years of the same drivel, I really believe this is his niche. (http://www.datingadvice.com/gay/gay-dating-sites-uk). All things (he had shared/shown) considered...
Whoever it will be:
a) Likely be as tall as he is
b) won't leave him for another 'man'
c) UK native will not a) need English Lessons; b) he won't need to spend money for flights and hotels to a foreign country.
d) Will likely be as 'rich' if not more so than him
e) will not be desperate
f) will not have the flaws and evil ways of a 'woman' he's concerned about.
g) would likely not mind sharing the basement with him.
etc...
LOL
I suppose everything is possible.
TC, maybe if you go the rainbow route, you’ll strike gold.
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When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
Who samples meat in a bedroom ? That's what garages are for.
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Who samples meat in a bedroom ? That's what garages are for.
Nah, meat gets cold quick in garages.
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It is really no better. Most of those Soviet era flats are very comfortable inside, and they're not "concrete block".
My 'townhouse' has more space inside than one of those flats. It has a garden out back and a small frontage to the front. It's also more pleasant looking at the front with a quaint worked stone facade and at the back overlooks trees, to did of the back garden you can see rolling green hills. It may not be the largest most extravagant property in the UK and is modest in comparison but it's nicer than a concrete block apartment I can assure you ;)
Though of course there is of course here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10168757/Stunning-drone-photographs-multi-coloured-town-Ukraine-looks-like-real-life-LEGO-city.html
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We are not talking about ‘temperament’ or character traits here.
We are talking about your ‘attitude’ to the FSU and I don’t mean just the women.
Your posts reek of your ‘superiority’ which begets the question.
Why are you looking in the FSU?
When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
She brings with her a life lived in a different world to yours. If you don’t want to understand it or respect it, why bother?
Carry on in your basement.
I don't have anything negative to say about Ukrainian or FSU culture, they have some good stuff we could learn from. However yes the UK is superior, why would FSW want to come here if it wasn't? Superior wealth, superior economy, superior military, superior technology, superior medical research, superior hospitals, superior anti-corruption, for the most part (just about) superior housing, etc, etc. It's not me with an attitude it's the facts that speak for themselves. I'm not saying I'm better than a FSW but I come from a society that it many ways is in a more advanced position to Ukraine. I'm not saying a good life could not be had and enjoyed in Ukraine but in a society that has become more advanced it if course tends to be open to more people to enjoy a good life. Ukraine if course has some benefits but of course the fact that those women on Fdate etc don't want to live there tends to speak for itself.
End of the day WM going to Ukraine to meet these ladies offer them the chance for a better lifestyle. It's what WM have over the local dudes. Women want men who are superior, they date across but prefer to date up the socioeconomic spectrum. Guess what? The local men they see as inferior.
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My 'townhouse' has more space inside than one of those flats. It has a garden out back and a small frontage to the front. It's also more pleasant looking at the front with a quaint worked stone facade and at the back overlooks trees, to did of the back garden you can see rolling green hills. It may not be the largest most extravagant property in the UK and is modest in comparison but it's nicer than a concrete block apartment I can assure you ;)
Though of course there is of course here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10168757/Stunning-drone-photographs-multi-coloured-town-Ukraine-looks-like-real-life-LEGO-city.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10168757/Stunning-drone-photographs-multi-coloured-town-Ukraine-looks-like-real-life-LEGO-city.html)
I lived in a Khruschchev built apartment in Kyiv. Out our window, which faced a busy boulevard, there were apple trees blocking the boulevard, and it was surprisingly quiet. The front of the building faced a courtyard, with benches in front of each apartment entrance. It was lined with trees as well. There were flowers below, planted by someone who lived above the particular apartment garden. It was very pretty.
Your townhome probably is significantly smaller in square footage than is my house. My backyard has ten trees - lilacs, mountain ash, several spruce, a pine, an apple tree, several bushes, a large vegetable garden, and a raspberry patch along the side of the house. My backyard deck is lined with potted flowers. My front yard has two large trees, several bushes, and a substantial lawn. Again, lots of potted flowers. That doesn't make my home inherently "better" than your home, any more than your home is "better" than those in Ukraine. I think you focus on the wrong things.
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End of the day WM going to Ukraine to meet these ladies offer them the chance for a better lifestyle. It's what WM have over the local dudes. Women want men who are superior, they date across but prefer to date up the socioeconomic spectrum. Guess what? The local men they see as inferior.
First, not all WM offer a superior lifestyle. By your own admission, you don't.
They don't see the local men as inferior. Many local men don't want to marry. They don't want the responsibility of children, and there is always another woman around the corner.
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There are nearly zero FSUW in their twenties willing to date someone your age,
those that do have dubious motivations.
That's utterly false unless Trenchcoat is as old as you are. Women tend to prefer partners close to their own age but many are not concerned by a 10-20 year difference IF the guy is worth it. I know a (FSU) guy who partnered up with a (FSU) girl 40 years his junior... it's unusual but it happens. He just had a way with women and was a short ass in his 60s. I believe he broke it off because he's a womaniser.
Trenchcoat is not worth it and has demonstrated no behaviors to improve himself (or his financial position) over a long period of time. He has nothing to offer which is superior to FSUM.
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. . . there is always another woman around the corner.
What about the woman on the corner ?
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We have heard of peeing contests.
This thread is starting to have a my house/home is . . . . contest.
OK, my house has a Jacuzzi.
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That's utterly false unless Trenchcoat is as old as you are. Women tend to prefer partners close to their own age but many are not concerned by a 10-20 year difference IF the guy is worth it.
Trench is in his mid 40's, lets say 44, average looks, borderline poverty, mediocre
to poor social skills. The closer he dates to his own age the better his chances of
finding a good girl. There is no way he should be encouraged to pursue 20-29.
Your point I think is that a man who is 40 with excellent social skills and a decent
income can pursue a woman with a larger age gap.
Trenchcoat is not worth it and has demonstrated no behaviors to improve himself (or his financial position) over a long period of time. He has nothing to offer which is superior to FSUM.
A 38-40 year old FSUW is going to have very few options for marriage in the FSU.
That's what Trench has to offer, a partner for marriage. Love.
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Whoa, trenchy you are still looking?
Have you been actively looking or still biding your time?
I don't pretend to understand women, but I do know they appreciate a man of action.
I flew to meet my now wife within probably 60 days of first messaged to her. I also would quit a non progressing relationship quickly.
Lifes short TC,get the heck out there, locally, internationally ,wherever.
I know covid has restricted possible travel and social setting at though.
At 40s I agree with Bill you should be looking at 35 to 45.
I'm absolutely hypocritical in saying that, but it's still good advice regardless if I dint follow it.🤷♂️
Your best chances are in this group for many reasons that others have outlined ,and it plays to youd strenghts,which are (hopefully) actually wanting a serious marriage minded relationship.
I have to hand it to you, I assumed you had given up
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Whoa, trenchy you are still looking?
Have you been actively looking or still biding your time?
I don't pretend to understand women, but I do know they appreciate a man of action.
I flew to meet my now wife within probably 60 days of first messaged to her. I also would quit a non progressing relationship quickly.
Lifes short TC,get the heck out there, locally, internationally ,wherever.
I know covid has restricted possible travel and social setting at though.
At 40s I agree with Bill you should be looking at 35 to 45.
I'm absolutely hypocritical in saying that, but it's still good advice regardless if I dint follow it.🤷♂️
Your best chances are in this group for many reasons that others have outlined ,and it plays to youd strenghts,which are (hopefully) actually wanting a serious marriage minded relationship.
I have to hand it to you, I assumed you had given up
Given up? He never even started. Unless you call writing endless threads on bizarre topics fruitlessly expending vast quantities of e-ink as that.
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I don't have anything negative to say about Ukrainian or FSU culture, they have some good stuff we could learn from.
Almost every post of yours is negative in some way so let’s put that to bed.
However yes the UK is superior, why would FSW want to come here if it wasn't? Superior wealth, superior economy, superior military, superior technology, superior medical research, superior hospitals, superior anti-corruption, for the most part (just about) superior housing, etc, etc. It's not me with an attitude it's the facts that speak for themselves.
Complete rubbish.
The UK is a very unequal society.
There is wealth but it’s concentrated amongst a few.
Let’s talk about poor housing, poor infrastructure, hugely indebted NHS with long waiting times for care.
Inadequate social care, bad schools, bad childcare, government debt soaring, taxes heading up (not that you pay any), no job security, inner city ghettos, divided society, soaring crime, the list goes on and on....
So, no, the UK is not an attractive place to live in and in no way superior.
Al countries have their problems.
By switching countries you merely exchange one set for another.
I'm not saying I'm better than a FSW but I come from a society that it many ways is in a more advanced position to Ukraine. I'm not saying a good life could not be had and enjoyed in Ukraine but in a society that has become more advanced it if course tends to be open to more people to enjoy a good life. Ukraine if course has some benefits but of course the fact that those women on Fdate etc don't want to live there tends to speak for itself.
End of the day WM going to Ukraine to meet these ladies offer them the chance for a better lifestyle. It's what WM have over the local dudes. Women want men who are superior, they date across but prefer to date up the socioeconomic spectrum. Guess what? The local men they see as inferior.
You have nothing to offer which would benefit an FSUW a better lifestyle. On the socioeconomic scale in the UK you’re pretty much at rock bottom. An fsuw will soon see that.
Your two up two down terrace would soon turn into a prison for any fsuw who came to live with you.
Your misogyny and poverty will see to that.
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Here’s a good dating tip for you Trench 🧀
Cheese knows no borders, race or cultural differences. Everyone loves cheese..... A nice block of Swiss may be all you need to keep a FSU woman fascinated in you and faithful!!
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The local men they see as inferior.
More nonsense from you, Trench.
How many fsuw marry WM and leave? It’s s minuscule number.
The vast majority date and marry locally.
Your whole dating premise is based on an assumption that local women have poor choices at home, that they all hanker after a luxurious life making cosy home on the back of some ‘rich’ western dude who will provide her a wonderful life, in return for which she only has to spread her legs.
You need to get out of that basement more. :devil:
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Almost every post of yours is negative in some way so let’s put that to bed.
Complete rubbish.
The UK is a very unequal society.
There is wealth but it’s concentrated amongst a few.
Let’s talk about poor housing, poor infrastructure, hugely indebted NHS with long waiting times for care.
Inadequate social care, bad schools, bad childcare, government debt soaring, taxes heading up (not that you pay any), no job security, inner city ghettos, divided society, soaring crime, the list goes on and on....
So, no, the UK is not an attractive place to live in and in no way superior.
Al countries have their problems.
By switching countries you merely exchange one set for another.
You have nothing to offer which would benefit an FSUW a better lifestyle. On the socioeconomic scale in the UK you’re pretty much at rock bottom. An fsuw will soon see that.
Your two up two down terrace would soon turn into a prison for any fsuw who came to live with you.
Your misogyny and poverty will see to that.
Where do you live then Gaunty some Grand Designs voluminous box. I said we live a superior society not a perfect one. Yes there is bad stuff that can happen here but a lot of that happens at the very bottom of the socio-economic scale, yes below even me ;D
Some of that may get worse because of the impact of the virus. The virus has caused government debt to spiral, the virus has caused problems for Landlords and Tenants, the virus has caused employment problems for some and the virus has destroyed some people's business and livelyhoods. That will be the same the world over except worse in some countries. Think of how things are in Ukraine at the moment and how they will be.
Here we have at least a decent safety net in the welfare state so only for a very unlucky few does being kicked out of your home means grabbing a cardboard box and living in the street. Generally all can claim housing benefit & unemployment benefit if needs be. Most schools even the not so good ones are decent enough as to not leave the kid illiterate upon leaving school. I could go on but the point is that so long as someone can work to avoid the bottom rung of the socio-economic ladder they will be several rungs up on the lives of most Ukrainians.
I get a lot of flak on here from people saying I don't work hard, I'm lazy, etc. That is not true, I work through the week mainly on my house and as you know Gaunty anyone with a house they own in the UK is seen as a big deal. I see countless news stories of people mainly youngsters trying to get on the bottom rung of the housing ladder. A FSW who wants it all ready made with a guy with a nice sized house is in for a shock here. There are not many single guys with a nice sized house, housing as you say is very expensive here so the fact that I own my two up two down as you put it means she she feel fortunate enough.
Superior? I would say we don't have the Russians encroached in our territory, we have nukes so they wouldn't dare. Can Ukraine boost the same? I think not. We have illegal immigrants trying to get in by dingy they see our society as so preferential willing to risk their lives to get in. That tells us something about how superior our society is I think ;)
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Where do you live then Gaunty some Grand Designs voluminous box. I said we live a superior society not a perfect one. Yes there is bad stuff that can happen here but a lot of that happens at the very bottom of the socio-economic scale, yes below even me ;D
I own a decent home. In a small village in rolling countryside. That’s all you need to know.
There’s a small segment of society, mostly immigrant 3rd worlders and the feckless indigents who could be at the bottom of the pile but you’re not far off.
Some of that may get worse because of the impact of the virus. The virus has caused government debt to spiral, the virus has caused problems for Landlords and Tenants, the virus has caused employment problems for some and the virus has destroyed some people's business and livelyhoods. That will be the same the world over except worse in some countries. Think of how things are in Ukraine at the moment and how they will be.
The UK was an iniquitous society long before Covid. C19 may have made some things worse but it’s disingenuous to apportion blame for the state the UK is in solely to the impact of the virus.
I would suggest the overall negative impact of Covid would be felt more strongly in 1st world countries because people are soft and not accustomed to hardship. When unemployment hits the middle class that’s where it impacts most.
Here we have at least a decent safety net in the welfare state so only for a very unlucky few does being kicked out of your home means grabbing a cardboard box and living in the street. Generally all can claim housing benefit & unemployment benefit if needs be. Most schools even the not so good ones are decent enough as to not leave the kid illiterate upon leaving school. I could go on but the point is that so long as someone can work to avoid the bottom rung of the socio-economic ladder they will be several rungs up on the lives of most Ukrainians.
You’re quite mistaken. The poor in this country have a harder time. Those in countries like Ukraine may have much less income but they also are able to obtain basics like foodstuffs from secondary sources. They also don’t have the same outgoings for utilities/rent etc that people in the UK do.
They’re also far more resilient and adaptable then UK people who think poverty is eating at a McDonald’s twice a week instead of 4 times.,
I get a lot of flak on here from people saying I don't work hard, I'm lazy, etc. That is not true, I work through the week mainly on my house and as you know Gaunty anyone with a house they own in the UK is seen as a big deal. I see countless news stories of people mainly youngsters trying to get on the bottom rung of the housing ladder. A FSW who wants it all ready made with a guy with a nice sized house is in for a shock here. There are not many single guys with a nice sized house, housing as you say is very expensive here so the fact that I own my two up two down as you put it means she she feel fortunate enough.
Rubbish. 63% of people in the UK own their own homes. Not so big a deal after all.
I could quote you a whole lot more facts, none of which support your assertion but I won’t. Google on .gov.uk for that if you want.
Superior? I would say we don't have the Russians encroached in our territory, we have nukes so they wouldn't dare. Can Ukraine boost the same? I think not. We have illegal immigrants trying to get in by dingy they see our society as so preferential willing to risk their lives to get in. That tells us something about how superior our society is I think ;)
Are you seriously suggesting a nuclear state is a measure of superiority? Pakistan has nukes. By all accounts they are a failed state so nothing to aspire to.
Illegal immigrants come to the uk for variety of reasons, nothing to do with being a superior country. More to do with established immigrant communities, legacy of empire and the ease of working illegally in the black economy plus that once here they are unlikely to ever be deported.
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Tc, western world can offer more opportunities to many in the FSU.
It also wouldnt offer as many opportunities to someone already doing well in the FSU.
So that middle ground is mostly mute.
Get back to what binds a couple in life long term,and its seldom economics based.
It's fair more based on common life goals,places in life,family(even if it's just them as a couple) and those intangibles of truly caring for each other (who knows what drives that)
Keep the cart in front of the horse.
You'll need to be open to truly loving someone for who they are, and as they change in life.they will need to love you.
Most of what you worry about,can and does happen in half of domestic relationships, eithervthey wernt founded on the basics if commun ground and love, or things changed in the relationship dynamic later.Always a posdibly as well.
During my marraige ,
I've lost my job after decades at it, and it wasnt a blip of an eye as far as our relationship goes.It meant nothing overall in that aspect of our lives. She would have worked,I would find work again,or we would have downsized lifestyle.
You need to get over the economic worries,they shouldnt be a big factor.
If someone left you over those then it wasnt a founded relationship to begin with so youd be better off to end it anyway.
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Tc, western world can offer more opportunities to many in the FSU.
It also wouldnt offer as many opportunities to someone already doing well in the FSU.
So that middle ground is mostly mute.
WOW, I didn't know there were that many people who were unable to speak !!
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WOW, I didn't know there were that many people who were unable to speak !!
That's funny
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Mute moot
Since sense
Bye,by,bi
Too two to
TC, tee see , tea sea
I'm just see what auto correct will pull up first next time...
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That's funny
😅
Mute moot
Since sense
Bye,by,bi
Too two to
TC, tee see , tea sea
I'm just see what auto correct will pull up first next time...
Yes, isn’t autocorrect a bugger. I spend more time correcting them then actually writing a post