Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on February 07, 2022, 03:36:59 PM
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Ok, so as board members probably know I've got the idea in mind to live out in Odesa for a while, possibly for a long while. Stephen came up with a good idea to do a stint of about 6-8 weeks to start with. That seems a good idea to go with so as to get a feel for whether I would like to be there longer. My guess is that it might be best 6 weeks (45 days approx) then another 6 weeks so as to not have much awkwardness with a 60 day then 30 day on the visa, i.e a long period followed by a shorter one. I can then take a trip home to see family in between for a week or longer possibly depending on how I am feeling, to any girl though it will long like I am there long term. Now ask of this is of course if the Russians don't invade so sone hypothetical stuff going on here. I'm planning to rent for all of that period of course, however I couldn't help but look up current property prices in Odesa (I'll add an s if the Russians invade) and see what can be bought at the moment on the market. The following is a website link with sone examples of what property can be purchased, options vary a bit many though look like the wallpaper could do with a good paint over lol :D
http://realting.com/property-for-sale/ukraine/odessa?page=1&movemap-input=1&slug=property-for-sale&Estate%5Bgeo_id%5D=17954&Estate%5Bcurrency%5D=EUR&sort=-created_at
Some good bargains look like they can be had. The ones that caught my eye was the new build apartment block, €30k ish, a bit outside the city centre but modern in a clean looking area and able to do to own takes. Could make a good compact bachelor pad to operate from and at a cheap price. Downsides for me is that I'm not too keen on height and a bit if a distance outside the city centre.
The other one was a 4 bed apartment between Ocada and Arcadia, so nearer the town centre. Lots of space inside, not sure about outside, a lot of them seem modern along there so possibly not too bad outside. More money of course though €91-92k ish so nearer the £86k mentioned the other day for a good place. Running costs would be higher I'm guessing though if it turned out not there much could rent out a room of the whole flat I guess. That's really the only downside I could immediately see, the upside is potentially impressive flat after a bit of redecorating and near the town centre, down side is going a bit all in so more suitable once with a definite girl I reckon.
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Forget about buying for now. Assuming you were living there and things went as you hoped your partner would be living in the same apartment whether it was rented or bought. In the short run you would have a better deal with a rented apartment. Think of it like a fancy phone on a contract or a basic phone you buy outright. The local lad is living in the basic phone apartment.
6 weeks should be enough to tell you if this venture is a boots on the ground mission, but keep in mind unless you are married and apply for residency you would be obliged to stay in Blighty 6 months of the year.
Best case scenario IMO opinion is you meet someone genuine and you correspond afterwards. Meeting in real life is several steps up the trust ladder even if nothing is guaranteed. See how such a scenario pans out and don't get fixated on moving to Ukraine. She might want to come to Blighty in which case have plan B ready.
Buying an apartment in Ukraine you be would be putting all your eggs in the same basket. Your thoughts are all predicated on the best case scenario. Things at some point in life will hit a bump in the road. They always will.
These might be of interest to you:
http://youtu.be/Jo1P4RVsxB8
http://youtu.be/GKM4ejhVs0U
Note that in the second video they also get food from their family in a village.
In the first video I didn't catch where they live, but it is definitely a provincial city where they don't pay Odesa , Kyiv, Kharkov or Lviv prices.
Steven
PS It's Steven with a V and not Stephen. Yellow card. Please don't get into a Rodney/Dave scenario ;)
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Steven, you have to keepmin.mund TC is terrified if he brings a hottievtomuk,she will leave him for the first local gym rat,with a bit of wot to talk her up.
It's one of the founding reasons of his plan to live in Ukraine.
I'm not trying to knock his plan, I actually try to encourage TC.
But I do try to temper his underlying reasons with some cold water when I know they are misplaced.lol.
He has some good reasons for wanting to live there,but I just fear the root one is insecurity in relationships.
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I would love to live in Odesa for three months. It is an amazing city. I prefer it to Kyiv. I've been there three times in the last 6 months and enjoyed every trip and enjoyed the different hotels.
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1 room apartment 30 m² in Odessa, Ukraine € 18,352
Efficiency+....Do your laundry while taking care of business----
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Keep your beer right below the TV----
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You have to be very careful buying an apartment in Odesa. A lot of the solid, old tsarist time apartments were fully renovated. They should be solid, they were extremely well built. However, renovators gutted them in ways that often made them unsafe. A lot of fly by nighters built new apartments. No one inspects new builds there, so you really buy on nothing more than faith.
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You have to be very careful buying an apartment in Odesa. A lot of the solid, old tsarist time apartments were fully renovated. They should be solid, they were extremely well built. However, renovators gutted them in ways that often made them unsafe. A lot of fly by nighters built new apartments. No one inspects new builds there, so you really buy on nothing more than faith.
Thanks Boe I appreciate the insight. Tsarist Apartments would probably suit me nicely I think, I love traditional architecture and the history that goes with it. Unfortunate that sone haven't been renovated well. I have some building knowledge but if stuff has been covered up it's not always easy to tell. In that event the best that may be hoped for us the tell tell signs of major structural defects, large cracks rather than just a sudden collapse.
New builds well we saw what happened in Florida so would be hoping not to suffer a sudden collapse like that. The thought is pretty off-putting I've got to say. Probably would rather chance it on old Tsarist Apartments I think. Any idea where they might be located? On the 'love me' documentary where the guy visits the girls who scams him with the dodgy police guy they show a pic over some old style traditional apartments, they look rather nice I think. I kind of think an area on the edge of the city centre and a residential suburb where cheaper groceries could be had would suit me. Tsarist style apartments would not be as high as well which I think would suit me.
I recall when I was at the hotel in Nikolaev, a new build the back emergency escape staircase had all varying step heights lol, never seen anything like it. Would never be allowed in the west in an emergency everyone would be stumbling down then all.
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I would love to live in Odesa for three months. It is an amazing city. I prefer it to Kyiv. I've been there three times in the last 6 months and enjoyed every trip and enjoyed the different hotels.
I stayed in two different hotels while I was there, both were lovely. One was the Mozart hotel near the Opera House, I'm not into Opera, Ballet or anything but it looked nice and had an English name so easy to tell the taxi driver at the time (before Uber, Uklon, etc in that city). The other hotel I forget it was nice also, a courtyard outside for dining, they did a great breakfast there it was between the beach and the central city/shopping area. Trip was only spoilt by Lot airlines losing/delaying my luggage, it was on a transfer flight through Warsaw. Only 50 mins between transfer so possibly not enough time for my luggage to go through. A direct flight from the UK can be had now so much better.
Anyhow yeah while I like some stuff about Kiev I always like the seaside vibe so Odessa strikes me as a more relaxed feeling place, smaller than Kiev but not too small. I think scenery wise it could be a great place to live.
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Forget about buying for now. Assuming you were living there and things went as you hoped your partner would be living in the same apartment whether it was rented or bought. In the short run you would have a better deal with a rented apartment. Think of it like a fancy phone on a contract or a basic phone you buy outright. The local lad is living in the basic phone apartment.
6 weeks should be enough to tell you if this venture is a boots on the ground mission, but keep in mind unless you are married and apply for residency you would be obliged to stay in Blighty 6 months of the year.
Best case scenario IMO opinion is you meet someone genuine and you correspond afterwards. Meeting in real life is several steps up the trust ladder even if nothing is guaranteed. See how such a scenario pans out and don't get fixated on moving to Ukraine. She might want to come to Blighty in which case have plan B ready.
Buying an apartment in Ukraine you be would be putting all your eggs in the same basket. Your thoughts are all predicated on the best case scenario. Things at some point in life will hit a bump in the road. They always will.
These might be of interest to you:
http://youtu.be/Jo1P4RVsxB8
http://youtu.be/GKM4ejhVs0U
Note that in the second video they also get food from their family in a village.
In the first video I didn't catch where they live, but it is definitely a provincial city where they don't pay Odesa , Kyiv, Kharkov or Lviv prices.
Steven
PS It's Steven with a V and not Stephen. Yellow card. Please don't get into a Rodney/Dave scenario ;)
You're right 'Steven' ;) (sorry never realised there were two spellings of the name) I think renting is a better option in the short term. I can get a very good looking apartment by paying a but of a premium that I can sustain in the short term whereas a local guy like you say will be in a bog standard apartment, which out there is normally pretty bad.
Jumper is correct when he says that I don't want to bring a woman back to the UK, at least not until our relationship is well under way, married, kids, etc. Societal values in the UK aren't great, the whole lot from underpinning relationships through to morals and values. I'm not a real conservative guy (not with a small c or large one) but society is all too often a real destructive situation in the west these days, gender issues, obesity, mental health, attitudes, etc. On top of that guys these days in the UK are rabid for any half decent woman and even for those that aren't so good, the youngsters more so and worse than when I was younger, they'll literally hanker after some girl whose a bit overweight and has mental health issues like depression and/or anxiety with no great personality and think they have won a prize. On top of that there is taking the Ukrainian girl out of her culture, not a step to take lightly I think. Beyond those reasons there is also the fact that many Ukrainian girls want to live locally or at least stay in their own country (apart from during a Russian Invasion). So it kind of makes sense for me to be there. A lot of western men take the stance that she goes to live in the west with him as it's easiest for him and firscin with his life but I just am now thinking after years at this that, that is a flawed mentality in a lot of cases as it can lead to a lot of bad outcomes. While nothing is assured in life I now feel the outcome of a relationship would likely be better if kept in Ukraine. I can get a cheap direct flight back to the UK which is only 3 hours away plus journey time either end to see family so more than doable I think.
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I don't think it will be as straight forward as you think, but I think you need to go (if for no other reason) to get it out of your system. 6 weeks in Odesa should be an education.
What do you think you would be doing to earn money if you were to live there full time?
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I don't think it will be as straight forward as you think, but I think you need to go (if for no other reason) to get it out of your system. 6 weeks in Odesa should be an education.
What do you think you would be doing to earn money if you were to live there full time?
You may well be right, but I need to find out first hand and learn. I'm hoping that I will be able to find a bit of go in the idea. I know the rose tinty glass stuff can be a lot different when there. I did nearly two weeks in Lviv, that had its ups and downs. The scenery can can a bit samey after a while but still quite nice . As nice as central Lviv was it was a bit too touristy for my liking, probably a bit better before it had been made too much that way I think. Last time I was in Odesa it was not took bad, a bit touristy but not too bad, not in a kind off theme set way playing over and over again.
Well I will hopefully just be living off independent income while there from renting out the rooms in my house. I will have a few things I will do as a kind of hobby to start with there if only as a work thing that I do so the girl doesn't think I'm lazy, as if ;D
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£450 a month, (just over $600), is not going to get you very far. Even a periodical low cost flight back home with door to door added on is going to take a dent in your finances.
Beyond food, utilities and other shopping you will need an entertainment budget.
Are you going to have a rainy day budget if something happens to your house and you suddenly need £400?
How are you going to meet people? Is this a genuine case of finding someone there you don't know already or meet up with someone you already have contact with?
There is logic to going out there for a few weeks to give yourself a better chance of finding someone, maybe more than once but I'm struggling with the idea that this plan could work long term living in Ukraine.
In addition there is only one way interest rates are going for mortgages and that is up.
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To the newbies,
You have to ask questions for yourselves now. I am not responding to Trenchcoats
posts just to pass information on to you. He has wasted enough of my time.
If you are too lazy to sign up, become a member and ask your own questions then
you are going to have to learn everything on your own.
Avoid Odessa and Nikolaev, unless you have contacts there. In those cities they have
an entire industry designed to make your wallet lighter.
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I would love to live in Odesa for three months. It is an amazing city. I prefer it to Kyiv. I've been there three times in the last 6 months and enjoyed every trip and enjoyed the different hotels.
Always stay in an Apartment not a hotel.
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Always stay in an Apartment not a hotel.
Great advice.
Only stay in a hotel when you are afraid the gals would want to spend the night with you; or if you don't know how to scramble eggs and make coffee; or can't figure out how to use 3 keys to get from street into an FSU apartment.
When screening apartments, look for those that say 'housewife included.'
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To the newbies,
You have to ask questions for yourselves now. I am not responding to Trenchcoats
posts just to pass information on to you. He has wasted enough of my time.
If you are too lazy to sign up, become a member and ask your own questions then
you are going to have to learn everything on your own.
Avoid Odessa and Nikolaev, unless you have contacts there. In those cities they have
an entire industry designed to make your wallet lighter.
Great advice.
But did you move next door to jb?
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I don't think it will be as straight forward as you think, but I think you need to go (if for no other reason) to get it out of your system. 6 weeks in Odesa should be an education.
What do you think you would be doing to earn money if you were to live there full time?
I think this is exactly what you should do Trench..... 6 weeks should be ample time to see if this is for you. If you can’t land a woman or even a vacation romance in 6 weeks, then it’s probably time to hang up your boots...... Try to develop some male friendships too, because that could open up opportunities with women also.
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The industry is everywhere in Ukraine, Odessa and Nikolaev don't have a particular unique status in the grand scheme of things. I've heard many a time that the girls in Kharkiv can't be trusted, are scammers, out for money, etc. Only cities that are likely to have less industry girls are the central Ukraine ones and even there no guarantees. Really dependant on the girl a lot of the time whether she goes into scammer mode by herself or as part of an industry set up. I would say all newbies should make themselves aware of what to look out for. Scammer girls can vary and the nature of the scam can very and be obvious or not so obvious. There's not always the same set process as western men become aware and scammers lose potential victims they can change tactics and behaviour. A lot can be down to how you source a girl and then how on the ball you are the second one can come more with experience I think.
Take the book, 'Odessa Dreams' that's a nice easy read for newbies to read through. It gives a good idea to the mentality out there and some of the scams going and the way women work. It won't tell of all of the stuff as things move on and scammers ways of working do but it's not a bad start I think. Many other resources and stories out there. I know posters have cone on here many times before and warned of Odessa and Nikolaev, but there have been many guys who have met a straight up girl from both. I met a girl in Nikolaev who was straight up though turns out was not into me, she left without scamming. Scams can get pretty clever and complex it's just really about asking yourself if a girl is 100 percent into you without doubts, uncertainty, anything that doesn't add up or a bit odd I think.
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Great advice.
When screening apartments, look for those that say 'housewife included.'
Also look for thick walls...... I swear my neighbour was on a mission to bed the most vocal women in all of the FSU 😂
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I think this is exactly what you should do Trench..... 6 weeks should be ample time to see if this is for you. If you can’t land a woman or even a vacation romance in 6 weeks, then it’s probably time to hang up your boots...... Try to develop some male friendships too, because that could open up opportunities with women also.
Yeah I was thinking the same with the 6 weeks Davo that it should be ample time, long enough to have a good go at it and look like I'm out there permanently but not so long as feeling stuck out there forever if it doesn't go so well. The idea of getting on with a Ukrainian out there is a good one, get the inside track on it all
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£450 a month, (just over $600), is not going to get you very far. Even a periodical low cost flight back home with door to door added on is going to take a dent in your finances.
Beyond food, utilities and other shopping you will need an entertainment budget.
Are you going to have a rainy day budget if something happens to your house and you suddenly need £400?
How are you going to meet people? Is this a genuine case of finding someone there you don't know already or meet up with someone you already have contact with?
There is logic to going out there for a few weeks to give yourself a better chance of finding someone, maybe more than once but I'm struggling with the idea that this plan could work long term living in Ukraine.
In addition there is only one way interest rates are going for mortgages and that is up.
I have some credit cards with a zero percent interest rate offers for a year, 18 months or whatever. That should be more than enough I can get on them I think. For a six week period that should suffice. I think the living cost could be gone on about all day without any real certainties, we've done it before on here and people's ideas vary enormously. Kind of depends on lifestyle a bit I guess. Sone people can get carried away and overestimate as much as some may underestimate I think. I think western money can go a long way out there if using the right resources.
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The industry is everywhere in Ukraine, Odessa and Nikolaev don't have a particular unique status in the grand scheme of things. I've heard many a time that the girls in Kharkiv can't be trusted, are scammers, out for money, etc. Only cities that are likely to have less industry girls are the central Ukraine ones and even there no guarantees. Really dependant on the girl a lot of the time whether she goes into scammer mode by herself or as part of an industry set up. I would say all newbies should make themselves aware of what to look out for. Scammer girls can vary and the nature of the scam can very and be obvious or not so obvious. There's not always the same set process as western men become aware and scammers lose potential victims they can change tactics and behaviour. A lot can be down to how you source a girl and then how on the ball you are the second one can come more with experience I think.
Take the book, 'Odessa Dreams' that's a nice easy read for newbies to read through. It gives a good idea to the mentality out there and some of the scams going and the way women work. It won't tell of all of the stuff as things move on and scammers ways of working do but it's not a bad start I think. Many other resources and stories out there. I know posters have cone on here many times before and warned of Odessa and Nikolaev, but there have been many guys who have met a straight up girl from both. I met a girl in Nikolaev who was straight up though turns out was not into me, she left without scamming. Scams can get pretty clever and complex it's just really about asking yourself if a girl is 100 percent into you without doubts, uncertainty, anything that doesn't add up or a bit odd I think.
Yes,the scamming/prodating girls are everywhere in Ukraine.
The one i met was from Mariupol.
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I have some credit cards with a zero percent interest rate offers for a year, 18 months or whatever. That should be more than enough I can get on them I think. For a six week period that should suffice.
There you, baby! You really got this all planned. If this particular trip didn’t quite work out for you, you can always whip up another 2 or 3 and max each one out, too.
What a great display of resourcefulness and showing these gals how so much more ‘wealth’ the west have over such economically downtrodden nations like Ukraine really is.
Amazing it only took you 6 years planning this method, borne of nearly 50 years of western lifestyle and attitude.
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GQ, are you trying to say financing your quest to bring a woman into your life that will likely depend on you for providing,
is a bad idea?
Say it isn't so!!
;)
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I've always stated that anyone attempting this venture should NEVER do it on credit.
Even if you are lucky and find "The girl", nothing would be worse than having to tell her that the budget is too tight for this or that because you're having to pay off debt taken out to court, marry, and bring her home.
Such could turn into a real nightmare scenario unless she is fully aware what she is signing up for, down to the dime, and that she will be soon job hunting to pay off your debt. That's how prostitutes get treated.
IMO If you don't have cash already in the bank, or substantial stable income that can fill the gap and then some, best to stay home.
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TC,
Yes a scammer can be anywhere including uk ;)
Dating agencies are also in most any Ukrainian city.
That said if you see no difference between hundreds of affiliate agenxoes in odesa and Nikolaev, and thousands of Paid workers in those cities, compared to the substatically less in other provincial cities ,I think you've lost the ability to look at statistics and odds well.
Yes there are pretty good presence of agencies in Kharkiv and maripol(for its size) as well.
Again any city ,kherson as you know has agencies.
But there is a huge difference between 5 agencies per 250k population ,versus 89 agencies per 250k population dont you think?
It's again like going to Las Vegas looking for a
beautiful 25 year old ,with the main aspirations of being a suburban soccer mum with toddlers.
My wife's fron Nikolaev, and you might meet a nice girl there,but make zero mistake that
any city with a more entrenched agency affiliate business model ,for longer time ,and more agencies, the more local women are employeed by it and effected by it.
I'd say the top 3 are Odessa, Nikolaev and kharkiv for having this entrenched longer and more affiliates per capita .
Donestk probably ranks up there im.sure ,
but given 7 years of strife in the oblast I doubt it's a factor now.
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GQ, are you trying to say financing your quest to bring a woman into your life that will likely depend on you for providing,
is a bad idea?
Say it isn't so!!
;)
Well, after all these years witnessing these types of mentality on the forum always sparked memories of SmoothOperator, and his sarcastic emulations with his *PP's* hits.
In this instance, *PPEs* - Pre-Penetration Expense.
Look, Let's face it, TC already have this planned out. After maxing his CCs and actually gets to bring a wimmen home. The inevitability of having to payoff his maxed-out CCs, supporting his inamorata, and reality coming home and banging his finances silly - his already structured fall back attitude will most certainly kick in.
He'll come back to the board and remind all of us that he was right all along. *FSU women are very materialistic and expect the man to support her expensive indulgences*
Haven't we seen this episode happen in more than various re-takes over the years?
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Yes,the scamming/prodating girls are everywhere in Ukraine.
The one i met was from Mariupol.
Why, what was the deal with her CB?
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There you, baby! You really got this all planned. If this particular trip didn’t quite work out for you, you can always whip up another 2 or 3 and max each one out, too.
What a great display of resourcefulness and showing these gals how so much more ‘wealth’ the west have over such economically downtrodden nations like Ukraine really is.
Amazing it only took you 6 years planning this method, borne of nearly 50 years of western lifestyle and attitude.
I’m with you on this GQ, our hero has it ‘planned’ down to a T.
The only thing that’s left is to publish ‘Trench's 101 Tips on How Not to Date in the FSU’.
Soon to be available in hardback.
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Well, after all these years witnessing these types of mentality on the forum always sparked memories of SmoothOperator, and his sarcastic emulations with his *PP's* hits.
In this instance, *PPEs* - Pre-Penetration Expense.
Look, Let's face it, TC already have this planned out. After maxing his CCs and actually gets to bring a wimmen home. The inevitability of having to payoff his maxed-out CCs, supporting his inamorata, and reality coming home and banging his finances silly - his already structured fall back attitude will most certainly kick in.
He'll come back to the board and remind all of us that he was right all along. *FSU women are very materialistic and expect the man to support her expensive indulgences*
Haven't we seen this episode happen in more than various re-takes over the years?
You're not quite seeing the genius of this idea GQ. I'll be getting everything at bargain Ukrainian rate :D
Once I have a girl onboard in a live in situation in Ukraine, she can buy the goods in, the groceries, rent, better native deals for this and that. She'll save me on the cost of living out there overall, my cost and hers so she'll more than earn her keep ;D
The credit card is only a fall back, a zero percent rate can be a can that can be kicked down the road for quite some time by switching it between cards as the term comes near expiry date with inflation reducing the amount in real terms. Long term it can either get paid off over time or be sucked up with a mortgage if buying a place over there.
In the UK a hottie would suck me dry and then move onto the next guy. In Ukraine I can get stuff much cheaper, the next guy is a homeless tramp and I come up smelling of roses!
The girl meanwhile only ever wanted to live locally, if not in the same city then in the same country. She has her guy who's a good provider and knows nothing of how things would be in the UK. With a bit of luck she would be into me and all ends happily ever after :)
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I’m with you on this GQ, our hero has it ‘planned’ down to a T.
The only thing that’s left is to publish ‘Trench's 101 Tips on How Not to Date in the FSU’.
Soon to be available in hardback.
LOL
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TC,
Yes a scammer can be anywhere including uk ;)
Dating agencies are also in most any Ukrainian city.
That said if you see no difference between undreds of affiliate agenxoes in odessa and Nikolaev, and thousands of Pais workers in those cities, compared the su statically less in other provincial cities I think you've lost the ability to look at statistics and odds well.
Yes there are pretty good presence of agencies in Kharkiv and maripol(for its size) as well.
Again any city ,kherson as you know has agencies.
But there is a huge difference between 5 agencies per 250k population ,versus 89 agencies per 250k population dont you think?
It's again like going to Las Vegas looking for a
beautiful 25 year old ,with the main aspirations of being a suburban soccer mum with toddlers.
My wife's fron Nikolaev, and you might meet a nice girl there,but make zero mistake that the
any city with more entrenched agency affiliate business model for longer time and more agencies, the more local women are employeed by it and effected by it.
I'd say the top 3 are Odessa, Nikolaev and kharkiv for having this entrenched longer and more affiliates per capita .
Doesn't probably ranks up there im.sure but given 7 years of strife in the oblast I doubt it's a factor now.
You make some good points Jumper. I know some other members have stated that Odesa has quite a situation with the industry (more than other cities in Ukraine). I think you are right it likely does. For me though it sounds out for other reasons, apart from Kyiv and Lviv it is the only one with a direct flight there. Lviv has sone nice architecture and stuff to enjoy but it's a bit touristy and a bit smaller than Odesa. Kyiv isn't a bad one but I've been there before three times now and don't fancy a do-over right now. I kind of fancy the seaside more laid back vibe.
The thing is as well if I'm going to appeal out there while I hope to appeal as an individual girls I meet are likely to have the expectation of a better life. If I live out in Hicksville in Ukraine it's not going to really grab them as much of an improvement. Sure could rent or buy a cracking place in their city but the place will likely be a dumpsk. Best bet would be a provincial city probably central or west Ukraine where it's not too sleepy or too much of a dumpsk. Odds are though Odesa will outclass a lot of them if not all of them.
In fairness to myself I think a girl would have to accept that it's only fair that I can get a quick direct flight back to the UK to see family. If she came from outside of Odesa then she would likely only have a short train journey or possibly flight to her home town so sounds out reasonable enough I think.
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You're not quite seeing the genius of this idea GQ. I'll be getting everything at bargain Ukrainian rate :D
Once I have a girl onboard in a live in situation in Ukraine, she can buy the goods in, the groceries, rent, better native deals for this and that. She'll save me on the cost of living out there overall, my cost and hers so she'll more than earn her keep ;D
The credit card is only a fall back, a zero percent rate can be a can that can be kicked down the road for quite some time by switching it between cards as the term comes near expiry date with inflation reducing the amount in real terms. Long term it can either get paid off over time or be sucked up with a mortgage if buying a place over there.
In the UK a hottie would suck me dry and then move onto the next guy. In Ukraine I can get stuff much cheaper, the next guy is a homeless tramp and I come up smelling of roses!
The girl meanwhile only ever wanted to live locally, if not in the same city then in the same country. She has her guy who's a good provider and knows nothing of how things would be in the UK. With a bit of luck she would be into me and all ends happily ever after :)
Hilarious! Trenchcoat rides again!
A little tip for you, don't use the word 'cheap' so often.... especially around women! Maybe sub in 'inexpensive' 'economical' 'cost effective'.
After you snag your woman, you can have her work to help pay off the 0% loans, that you used to live large on...that way you can get some additional milage out of her!
Fathertime!
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TC- I can see being based put of a city you enjoy.
Odesa certainly has its appeal being relatively small and by the sea.
I've no doubt a man could get contacts to come visit him there.
I guess I was looking at that type of live there long term search (for you) in a different light, I'd be hoping go avoid the agency mod dating dalio a bit,and a semi natural networking would occur when resising there.The apartment manager, her friend, her 5th cousin, the girl at the markets sister, the young cafe hostesses waitresses mother, ha!, this kind of thing.
Much more by random chance,much slower,but also much more likely for you to meet a genuine person who just happened to like you.
I suppose this silly thought is from have a flat manager that hit on me a bit there, I had rented the flat a few times. I am sure she assumed I was there dating.
Single, mid thirties,successful, independent, gorgeous and owned a few flats.
I was flattered,but in a relationship.
If single I absolutely would have at least dated her.
I'm also certain she made a healthy income so would be the woman of TCs dreams.
She could pay off those ccs before the interest kicked in ;)
(Joking guys! I think even TC recognizes a tad of sarcasm)
Anyway I know of guys completely striking out with just going there and winging it,I think it's a generally rough idea.
I personally would only go to.meet someone I felt I had established a connection with.
I do think if I lived there (as a younger single man) a few months i would eventually befriend some locals and natural.betwork dating would happen but I just dont thonknits a great plan unless you are like some friends of mine that can work.online from anywhere in the world making very good income.
Then ots just another adventure,nothing lost /nothing gained .🤷♂️
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Hilarious! Trenchcoat rides again!
Unfortunately, riding a sagging old broomstick instead of strong white horse.
A little tip for you, don't use the word 'cheap' so often.... especially around women! Maybe sub in 'inexpensive' 'economical' 'cost effective'.
The term I heard (and still hear most) is "quality". Better one quality thing (expensive in relative terms) than 10 cheap things.
After you snag your woman, you can have her work to help pay off the 0% loans, that you used to live large on...that way you can get some additional milage out of her!
Icing on the cake is she'll also be working off all the dates, dinners, travel, and little gifts for all the women prior to her.
Pipe dreams is all, nothing more.
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But did you move next door to jb?
I have no idea where in Texas he is from. Texas is a big state, I am located in
the approximate center of it.
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I'd say the top 3 are Odessa, Nikolaev and kharkiv for having this entrenched longer and more affiliates per capita .
In all my trips, I never worked with any agency, so have no experience with any scammers working through such.
However, I am sure that the ones I met through dating websites were also listed with various agencies.
I have never been scammed, unless first dates with insincere gals can be counted. But those would only be minor scams . . . the cost of a moderate meal.
I found that Odesa did have the most insincere group of women I met in any FSU city. I chalked it up to Odesa being a port city, so the gals have probably dealt with sailors since their mid-teenage years.
I met their sisters during my late teens in US Navy while porting in Japan, Philippines, Hong Kong, etc. During that period I could hardly be scammed for substantial money, since I had no such !!
I never made it to Nikolaev, so can't comment on the gals in that city.
However I did go to Kharkiv several times, and spent individual months with 3 gals from there. They were all high quality top-notch gals.
Kharkiv is one of my favorite cities in FSU and I never encountered a hint of scammers; except as I mentioned above, there may have been some on first dates who got screened out before they were able to scam me later.
A couple of nice parks to walk in there along with a gondola type ride.
Some very nice restaurants in Kharkiv and it should be good hunting grounds for younger guys because of the plethora of universities situated there swarming with hot chicks.
I have many good memories of Kharkiv.
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I have no idea where in Texas he is from. Texas is a big state, I am located in
the approximate center of it.
I was referring to the more gruff reply to TC ;)
But I do know he is more down the gulf coast from you.
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TC, have you thought of taking this finance scheme to the full next level?
I mean no use mussing about ..
Just call it a romance business, incorporate, pick a snappy name ,with your collateral get a big biz loan,its all the rage, , then your new girl can work until retirement paying it off for you.
I'd go big on that loan, then you can live there for years , and ride into town to save her in the big white Mercedes she dreams her knight in shining armour will be driving
:popcorn:
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You're not quite seeing the genius of this idea GQ. I'll be getting everything at bargain Ukrainian rate :D
Once I have a girl onboard in a live in situation in Ukraine, she can buy the goods in, the groceries, rent, better native deals for this and that. She'll save me on the cost of living out there overall, my cost and hers so she'll more than earn her keep ;D
The credit card is only a fall back, a zero percent rate can be a can that can be kicked down the road for quite some time by switching it between cards as the term comes near expiry date with inflation reducing the amount in real terms. Long term it can either get paid off over time or be sucked up with a mortgage if buying a place over there.
In the UK a hottie would suck me dry and then move onto the next guy. In Ukraine I can get stuff much cheaper, the next guy is a homeless tramp and I come up smelling of roses!
The girl meanwhile only ever wanted to live locally, if not in the same city then in the same country. She has her guy who's a good provider and knows nothing of how things would be in the UK. With a bit of luck she would be into me and all ends happily ever after :)
Yup.
Regardless of how you shake and bake the cake, always be very aware, the bill always becomes due
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Why, what was the deal with her CB?
I have posted about her scheming and scamming on here before..so it's all there if you care to look among my posts.
Suffice to say she tried to scam money out of me when i got home....and failed.
I also found out later she'd been taking other Western guys for a financial ride,including getting computers and expensive phones out of them,whilst getting pregnant with her local bloke.
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I have posted about her scheming and scamming on here before..so it's all there if you care to look among my posts.
Suffice to say she tried to scam money out of me when i got home....and failed.
I also found out later she'd been taking other Western guys for a financial ride,including getting computers and expensive phones out of them, whilst getting pregnant with her local bloke.
Yeah, that about figures, it's like as I say a lot of girls loyalty is really to their local scene, their family, their local men, etc. They just go on International dating sites to fish for money & stuff from men that can afford that stuff. I'm not saying men can't do International dating with the fly in & out method, many of course have but us guys really need to be careful as a lit of girls don't do International dating to find a guy abroad. It's useless complaining to the girl they just see us as a wallet and the local guys as the ones to get with. Odds are the more prettier the girl the more she is likely to have interest from local guys. The only downer for her is that the local guy that she really likes can't afford this or that, that's where screwing a foreign man comes in. For the girl it's not too difficult, particularly if she is pretty, get on website have a load of guys rock up, profess love, get the computers, clothes, money she wants, give the guys the push - they live a long way away anyway so won't likely return, and hey presto they have all they need for the next decade or so of married life with their local man and kids. That's what a lot of those girls are up to particularly the pretty ones I think.
I think some of the advice on here to date as a result has become outdated. It's all the old get on Fdate or pay monthly site as better than PPL and go fish there. To be honest though I don't see free or pay monthly sites as a lot better than PPL. Along with Davo I see that a lot of girls on free and pay monthly sites are scammers or similar direction. Davo stated around 90 percent as scammers or women with an alterior motive. I'm now thinking he might not be far of the truth. I stated before that I thought a lot of women on there have an alterior motive, I just kind of feel it and in some correspondence too. Some girls just go for the few days away in their home country with the guy probably thinking that if no chemistry then at least they get a few days away in him. I've had that possibility come up in recent messaging with a FSW, been there done that before. Other girls may be far more after something more substantial, bought stuff, visa's, etc.
Anyhow it's why I think that we should really be encouraging guys to go over there (well not right now if course) and date how you would normally date at home. I think the idea of getting an independent income and spending decent time over there and being able to say to the girl that, hey I can live here like a local, is a good way to go. Some members on here have banged on about getting to know the FSW culture, and enjoying their culture then want to not live in that culture. I think if they had really gotten with their culture they would want to be there. A lot of people say about the girl having to leave this, that and the rest behind, and a lot of girls in reality don't wish to. So why not do it the opposite way around I think, show they girl you are prepared to put yourself out and not just want to mail order her in for our convenience.to suit us. Better to be the local wealthy guy out there than the foreign wealthy wallet that fly's in and gets seem by many woman as just useful for that. After all they must be aware that longer term they are very likely financially better of with the fly in & out guy but they would still rather bang him for the quick buck and let him go. Kind of speaks for itself I think.
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Looked into the rental options briefly. Looks like I'll be better off renting an apartment per month than doing it daily/weekly by something like Airbnb. Even if it means renting for a longer period than I need the flat for. They'll be expenses such as electricity on top but I reckon it would still work out cheaper. Found this website that lists sone apartments for rent on a monthly basis:
http://www.house-ua.com/en/rent-flat/city-odessa
Some seem in a fairly decent area near to the city centre. Obviously to impress a girl something up a bit from a small one would help with some decent modern decor I think. The price would probably vary on the amount of time I rent the flat for, a three month period they may want a bit more money for but guessing I could rent for six months even if three months went unused.
Something like this maybe not too bad to go for:
http://www.house-ua.com/en/53939-flat-rent-odessa-primorskiy-genuezskaya.html
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I'm certain monthly rent rate beats weekly.
You plan to rent out your uk rooms,and you well recognize doing so weekly would be a nightmare and need to have considerably higher rate to cover the overhead of sustaining that and weeks missed in non booked.
I know you work a couple days* a week now at something?
What is that, can you do more if it? And can you do it remotely?
I just don't think your rental is going to cover the total cost of being an expat.
However approaching it with a couple month trial period and keeping very close track of income versus expense, certainly doable.
Its not like as a single guy ,with seemingly few hobbies and local connections beyond parents, that a few month adventure anywhere would hurt you.
Me? Single I'd go to Brazil (and did) hahaha but to be fair it wasn't/wouldn't be chasing females, it was chasing hobbies and adventures along my lines of interest.
( which are more than extremely limited in Ukraine)
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I'm certain monthly rent rate beats weekly.
You plan to rent out your uk rooms,and you well recognize doing so weekly would be a nightmare and need to have considerably higher rate to cover the overhead of sustaining that and weeks missed in non booked.
I know you work a couple days* a week now at something?
What is that, can you do more if it? And can you do it remotely?
I just don't think your rental is going to cover the total cost of being an expat.
However approaching it with a couple month trial period and keeping very close track of income versus expense, certainly doable.
Its not like as a single guy ,with seemingly few hobbies and local connections beyond parents, that a few month adventure anywhere would hurt you.
Me? Single I'd go to Brazil (and did) hahaha but to be fair it wasn't/wouldn't be chasing females, it was chasing hobbies and adventures along my lines of interest.
( which are more than extremely limited in Ukraine)
Well the current conversion rate on the monthly cost of the apartment on the link above is £284.45 per month. So say £300 to account for any shifting conversion rates or exchange rate differences, fees, etc. So leaves about £600-700 a month to live on for food, entertainment, etc. So that for a single person should more than do out there I feel.
My job I can't do remotely, it's an old fashioned type of job. Over in Ukraine it probably like many jobs not pay that well, and the status may not strike a chord with many women. At home I can do more of it though not sure quite how much precisely. I've don't the job a while now, about nearly 15 years I make it, it's generally an easy going number and has always delivered a fairly secure number but the pay is not great, hut then neither is it for most jobs in the UK especially when tax is taken into account. End of the day I would rather do a job that is easy going, not a load of stress and fairly secure rather than a stressful, higher status job that gives little better pay and not great job security. That said I've done it obviously for quite a while now so doing it for much longer I'm not too concerned about. I'm pretty sure I could pick it up again if I needed to probably with the same company. I won't say what I do as there are some on here who will get into trolling mode.
I just don't mind a change now that I will soon have house rental to fall back on in a worst case scenario. While a few extra months of saving would be a better position, it's kind of now or never as I'm not getting any younger. I think it does open it up for me finding extra opportunities for other streams of independent income I think though so a case of either doing the same old same and getting the same or find opportunities that may only arise as a result out of breaking out and doing stuff differently.
Brazil? Well Ukraine is handier as it's in my back yard rather than yours ;) I met a girl at work from Brazil a number of years back, she was very pretty, was with an English guy who I presumed imported her in and they ended up getting married. She seemed to show a bit of interest in me at first before realising that I wasn't as high status in my job as she probably at first thought, etc. Pretty sure she was with a guy who had a few bob, not loads just a little more than me at the time. Kind of shows though that I think once the circumstances change those girls can be very much up for an upgrade.
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TC,
Well if you have any skills that
allow remote work, I would hone them and get that going.
Otherwise I'd contact sn Odesa agency to get paid to write emails to western men.
I doubt in a wig you can pull off vid chat ,but you might make a good few pounds writing keyboard remeos ;)
You'll live in the epicenter of pay per letter agencies lol.
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A lot of the videochat girls don't do the chatting anyway...they just sit there smiling, making sure their hands are not showing, while somebody out of sight (could be Trench in the future ) is furiously typing away in the background.
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Are you suggesting that good looking girls cannot type;
or those who can type are not good looking ?
I took a typing class in high school because that's where the girls were.
Came in pretty handy for me later in life.
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Apparently the pretty girls in Ukraine need not be bothered with all the typing stuff their too good for that. They're just needed for their photo's so easy money for them, they pose for a few minutes and they get plenty of money that way. Typing they can get anyone to do and apparently is poorly paid so it's a lengthy sort of thing. While CB and Jumper have come up with a interesting proposal I'm not sure it's where I see my talents employed to their full potential :D
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I know some women that make a lot more than your uk rental and have for more than a decade,so I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it.
You have to admit the irony would be amusing.
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I know some women that make a lot more than your uk rental and have for more than a decade,so I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it.
You have to admit the irony would be amusing.
Jumper, you're more than a genius :D That's a great idea! That way not only could I earn more money I would get to meet all the hot women and see if I could date any that are really single at the same time!!!
I think you're right the irony would be amusing being behind the scenes in the scammer side of it all lol. Seeing all the carry on and seeing others being subjected to it rather than being the subject of it, that would be strange I think.
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Finally seeing the light.
;)
I'm sure youd meet with a tad of resistence and distrust at the affiliates initially,but you can convince them you are not making any judgment, know the game and just need a job.
Some of the managers are doing well ,and attractive, and you could meet some coworkers as well.
See that more natural* social net working might come in handy 🤣
You do have to change your screen name here to Yuri though.
And before the peanut gallery here throws stones, is it really any crazier than the other plans*?
Hahahaha
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TC,
Well if you have any skills that
allow remote work, I would hone them and get that going.
Otherwise I'd contact sn Odesa agency to get paid to write emails to western men.
I doubt in a wig you can pull off vid chat ,but you might make a good few pounds writing keyboard remeos ;)
You'll live in the epicenter of pay per letter agencies lol.
I know a girl who did video chat. She made about $400 per month "when" she got
paid at all. Trench would be working illegally and he doesn't know Russian. He would
be at the mercy of crooked agencies to get paid for being a scammer/Hairy Boris.
Maybe a savvy hot Russian woman could make a lot more money but Trench would be
lucky to leave without getting his kidney's harvested.
IF Trench was younger, had some social skills, knew Russian then he could possibly
hang around the University teaching English to poor little rich girls. He is too old and
his Charley Brown field goal kicker personality is not going to work out for that.
If it were me, I would go to the uni to see if any of the English professors were single/hot
but I can show up and start up a conversation with pretty much anyone. I did start up a
MySpace group (back when that was a thing) with over a thousand Russian female friends.
I would start up an English club in a city/area and invite every unmarried Russian woman
to a meetup.
What I wouldn't do is go to Odesa/Nikolaev and go through the agencies to let them work me
and my wallet over. I would go over, around and through them. A good girl will leave the agency
in the dust in a heartbeat if they are interested in a guy.
I think Trench wants to Winston Wu the whole thing.
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Trench wants a young hottie sex slave that licks the ground he walks on.
He is more likely to find a dominatrix that will whip him out if his rental.
We know he is at times serious, and other times trolling.
You know my recent advice is firmly tongue in cheek.
I do not think he will enjoy being a full time expat.
I've lived in many countries long term,some are easier to adjust to, eastern block countries are not easy,nor are they the most difficult.
In the end I just am sure his current income is not enough to live comfortable long term there
Of the countries I lived in I was always working for a japanese or american based company.(or stationed there,completely different context)
I think he might enjoy a 4 to 6 week stint,but I do.not think uslts long enough fur him to meet everyday people there and women to date from that pool.
I think it would be him living there contacting and meeting thru the same avenues he uses now.
Total crap shoot.
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Trench is your typical bumbling Brit way out of his depth in foreign climes, who finds nothing of worth in a foreign culture.
Little Englander is him down to a T.
He’s just hot air anyway. No chance of him moving out from his two up two down to a different corner of England, never mind an alien country.
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Trench wants a young hottie sex slave that kicks the ground he walks on.
I would suppose you meant-- LICKS the ground...But maybe not?
I'm more acquainted with 'worships the ground one walks on'.
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Yes,a typo, it's frankly the only thing I'm really good at.
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I would suppose you meant-- LICKS the ground...But maybe not?
I'm more acquainted with 'worships the ground one walks on'.
Yes that's it! Unfortunately my Odesa Dreams may be at an end before they have even started as it looks like Russia is about to invade. In theory I could get a Russian visa but that depends on whether the UK government still allow travel to Russia as a result of an Invasion of Ukraine. Will just have to see what my options are as they go I think. Will be a pain to lose that visa-free stuff as it would make an easy go of it.
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Yes that's it! Unfortunately my Odesa Dreams may be at an end before they have even started as it looks like Russia is about to invade. In theory I could get a Russian visa but that depends on whether the UK government still allow travel to Russia as a result of an Invasion of Ukraine. Will just have to see what my options are as they go I think. Will be a pain to lose that visa-free stuff as it would make an easy go of it.
Trench, it was plain for all of us on here observing your fantasies that you were never going to Ukraine to ‘live’.
Now you have an easy excuse (just one amongst many).
Of course another thing we all knew was the reason you never went to Russia was because you’d have to pay for a visa.
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Trench, it was plain for all of us on here observing your fantasies that you were never going to Ukraine to ‘live’.
Now you have an easy excuse (just one amongst many).
Of course another thing we all knew was the reason you never went to Russia was because you’d have to pay for a visa.
That's not true, I went to Moscow in Russia back in 2017. I thought I was sorted for a girl so my back up trip became a tourist trip. So I did pay for a visa, if I had too I would do so again.
I would also carry out my Odesa plans if they were possible. Russia hasn't invaded yet but it really looks like they will. If they do that obviously is likely to stand a high chance of getting in my way. We'll just have to see what the situation is as it develops I guess.
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That's not true, I went to Moscow in Russia back in 2017. I thought I was sorted for a girl so my back up trip became a tourist trip. So I did pay for a visa, if I had too I would do so again.
I would also carry out my Odesa plans if they were possible. Russia hasn't invaded yet but it really looks like they will. If they do that obviously is likely to stand a high chance of getting in my way. We'll just have to see what the situation is as it develops I guess.
So you went once. But your instinct remains travelling visa free to save a few bob which is why Ukraine is your target.
A Russian occupation ( if it ever happens) will scupper your fantasies unless you shell out for visas regularly. LOL
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Then just skip over to suchi, same difference.
The visa cost or hassle is insignificant with the context of going to live there for a few months.
Lots of Siberian provincial cities would likely be better though,or vladivostok...
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I think that Trench's goal is to replicate the life of Winston Wu.
You can find Winstons ebook here, but the price is $6.99 a bit rich for
Trench's blood. Winston has a website which costs nothing
http://www.happierabroad.com/About-Winston-Wu.htm
Winston's Guide to Traveling and Dating in Russia For Men
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/winstons-guide-to-traveling-and-dating-in-russia-for-men-winston-wu/1109650289
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I think that Trench's goal is to replicate the life of Winston Wu.
You can find Winstons ebook here, but the price is $6.99 a bit rich for
Trench's blood. Winston has a website which costs nothing
http://www.happierabroad.com/About-Winston-Wu.htm
Winston's Guide to Traveling and Dating in Russia For Men
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/winstons-guide-to-traveling-and-dating-in-russia-for-men-winston-wu/1109650289
I downloaded a sample of Winston's book on Amazon. There are no review ratings for it on Amazon.co.uk so guessing it's not very popular. When you look inside the sample I can kind of see why. A lot of the info is pretty basic and straightforward, I could probably do better. I don't know if it gets any better further in but it probably carries on in the same manner, i.e it doesn't really tell you much that you don't already know or be able to easily work out for yourself.
Now I think the term 'Misfit' is a bit harsh Beel ;D But I think the idea is a good enough one. In the west people are obsessed with 'fitting in' and being as bland and as boring as possible and adhering to prescribed rules as closely as possible. Women in particular are very finicky on that and even then they aren't happy.
Funny thing is a guy can go from near the bottom of the social ladder in the UK, US, etc, go to somewhere like Ukraine and If he goes there with some money behind him he can go all the way near the top of the social ladder. A guy such as me who has a working class job, a working class man's terrace house, paid up for but of no tremendous value in the great UK property market scheme of things can go to Ukraine, go to one of the best cities in Ukraine such as Odessa or Kiev, etc and buy or rent a place right in or very near the heart of that city. That immediately places me high up the social spectrum there taking me from zero to hero overnight. The local chicks will see a guy who is not only living in one of the better more affluent cities in Ukraine but is living in one of the best parts of that city. In addition they will see that guy has access to money and opportunities in a wealthy western nation. So immediately that puts him head and shoulders above the local guys. Add onto that dressing decently, working out a bit and not looking too bad for my age and that should make me pretty admirable.
Only downsides for her is that my Russian needs improving a bit, which I would be working on and she would probably prefer a few years younger, but that's about it. End of the day most FSW I don't think care too much past the guy bringing a decent paycheck and living somewhere decent, that tends to be their main concern. I would have both sorted and by getting with me she would be rising to the top of Ukraine's social circle also, an ambition of many women out there no doubt. Out in Ukraine because of the economy not being too great and many people not being all that affluent getting with a guy who can provide becomes all the more important. In the UK unless you're really bringing in big money most jobs are pretty much all the same in terms of money, a few pay a bit more but by the time you take tax into account there often not a lot in it.
So I think the whole premise is a good one, why stay a underachieving guy in a western country who many women don't view that well as they're sights are set ridiculously high when you can be seen as a top achiever in Ukraine or similar. Many guys make the mistake of finding a girl and taking her back to the UK, US, etc. They're basically taking a girl back to the equivalent of shark infested waters, the sharks being the many guys who will prey upon the girl. The prettier the girl is the more they will prey on her. Many guys will think they have a girl who is loyal only to find out later she us otherwise. Also as soon as she catches on that the guy isn't that wealthy in his home country her dissatisfaction will likely rise. Take a girl back to home country and hypergamy starts to work against the guy not in his favour. The girl will see that she can easily trade up on a whim and many will go for it. So why go to all the trouble, expense and hassle of importing a girl for another guy's benefit. Keep the girl unaware of it all and thinking she has got a good deal in Ukraine I would say ;D
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Looks like I could be a bit behind the curve here, these guys have been canny enough to make Ukraine their home and pick up a Ukrainian lady and have a kid with her:
BBC News - Ukraine crisis: 'We don't have the option to leave'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60361911
Unfortunately the timing may not turn out to be the best. The guy is desperately seeking to get a passport for his newborn baby and not enough time may be on their side. His hopes of making a cowardly dash for the border with baby and possibly wife in toe may not be possible before the Russians invade. I notice that none of the Brits in the article see fit to defend Ukraine, the place they so happily call home :ROFL:
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Funny thing is a guy can go from near the bottom of the social ladder in the UK, US, etc, go to somewhere like Ukraine and If he goes there with some money behind him he can go all the way near the top of the social ladder. A guy such as me who has a working class job, a working class man's terrace house, paid up for but of no tremendous value in the great UK property market scheme of things can go to Ukraine, go to one of the best cities in Ukraine such as Odessa or Kiev, etc and buy or rent a place right in or very near the heart of that city. That immediately places me high up the social spectrum there taking me from zero to hero overnight. The local chicks will see a guy who is not only living in one of the better more affluent cities in Ukraine but is living in one of the best parts of that city. In addition they will see that guy has access to money and opportunities in a wealthy western nation. So immediately that puts him head and shoulders above the local guys. Add onto that dressing decently, working out a bit and not looking too bad for my age and that should make me pretty admirable.
Only downsides for her is that my Russian needs improving a bit, which I would be working on and she would probably prefer a few years younger, but that's about it. End of the day most FSW I don't think care too much past the guy bringing a decent paycheck and living somewhere decent, that tends to be their main concern. I would have both sorted and by getting with me she would be rising to the top of Ukraine's social circle also, an ambition of many women out there no doubt. Out in Ukraine because of the economy not being too great and many people not being all that affluent getting with a guy who can provide becomes all the more important. In the UK unless you're really bringing in big money most jobs are pretty much all the same in terms of money, a few pay a bit more but by the time you take tax into account there often not a lot in it.
So I think the whole premise is a good one, why stay a underachieving guy in a western country who many women don't view that well as they're sights are set ridiculously high when you can be seen as a top achiever in Ukraine or similar. Many guys make the mistake of finding a girl and taking her back to the UK, US, etc. They're basically taking a girl back to the equivalent of shark infested waters, the sharks being the many guys who will prey upon the girl. The prettier the girl is the more they will prey on her. Many guys will think they have a girl who is loyal only to find out later she us otherwise. Also as soon as she catches on that the guy isn't that wealthy in his home country her dissatisfaction will likely rise. Take a girl back to home country and hypergamy starts to work against the guy not in his favour. The girl will see that she can easily trade up on a whim and many will go for it. So why go to all the trouble, expense and hassle of importing a girl for another guy's benefit. Keep the girl unaware of it all and thinking she has got a good deal in Ukraine I would say ;D
Trench, son, it's that time of year when somebody, (more in hope than expectation), offers you some tough love.
Even if you put all your eggs in one basket you won't be near the top of the social ladder in Ukraine. Yes, you could in theory have a perfectly good house or apartment relative to the average person, but you wouldn't have the lifestyle that goes with it.
"The local chicks will see a guy who is not only living in one of the better more affluent cities in Ukraine but is living in one of the best parts of that city. In addition they will see that guy has access to money and opportunities in a wealthy western nation."
Will they know this access to money is a time limited credit card that needs to be paid off 18 months down the line or it will incur fees?
"Only downsides for her is that my Russian needs improving a bit"
You talk as though you are a polyglot who has already mastered several languages and are completely au fait with the genitative, accusative and locative case. Russian is bloody hard. When you say improving a bit you at least have mastered British under statement.
"End of the day most FSW I don't think care too much past the guy bringing a decent paycheck and living somewhere decent, that tends to be their main concern. I would have both sorted"
Nothing you have posted here over the years suggests you are this guy.
"In the UK unless you're really bringing in big money most jobs are pretty much all the same in terms of money, a few pay a bit more but by the time you take tax into account there often not a lot in it."
Not true.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/416102/average-annual-gross-pay-percentiles-united-kingdom/
I am in the fourth percentile for reference.
These figures do not include part time workers of whom there are 8 million people in the UK. Full time workers are double this figure, so I put more weight to the linked figures rather than your generalisation.
"by the time you take tax into account there often not a lot in it"
Every extra £100 I work over the income tax threshold I pay £12 in national insurance and £20 in income tax. In other words I am £68 better off doing an extra 9 hour shift. Last year I earned £22000 from my job and £5400 from renting out a property. So even by taking tax into account I was in the fourth income percentile and not the bottom - which you are.
"why stay a underachieving guy in a western country who many women don't view that well as they're sights are set ridiculously high when you can be seen as a top achiever in Ukraine"
You have within your gift to work harder, but you choose not to. Not too late to turn that boat around especially as you are currently screwed vis a vis pensions, but underachievement is on your watch.
Is it really a case of ridiculously high demands to expect more than the bare minimum?
There seems to me to be a recurring theme in your posts where you swing from low self esteem in your own country to imagining yourself to be the opposite in Ukraine. Hate to burst your bubble, but your project would not place you as a top achiever in Ukraine unless it is in terms of avoiding paying UK taxes.
It seems to me there are three main things that make a man attractive to a potential mate. Good looks/genes, a charismatic personality and sufficient wealth to support a family without scrimping and saving. If you were hitting big scores on either of those you would already have your Ukrainian hotty.
You have no confidence in your self and no trust in women. If you had a woman that loved you then you could live anywhere in the world without a nagging fear she would upgrade you like a mobile phone.
Someone wins the lottery each month and all who do so bought a ticket. You have been to Ukraine already, so you are a few steps ahead of the keyboard romantics. For you to have any degree of success you need to make changes - as much in your own life as your dating approach.
You definitely need to square the circle for how you could generate income over and above the £450 you would get from your house after paying for the mortgage - if somehow you became a resident and home owner in Ukraine.. Putting bills on plastic is a short term fix and that money will have to be repaid at some point.
Steven
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Women in particular are very finicky on that and even then they aren't happy.
I'll not comment regarding why I dont think this is accurate.
I will say *if* its accurate, it is driven by an individuals character/outlook/personality.
This wouldn't radically change regardless on the countries you reside or are looking in.
So, look for an individual that is optimistic and happy.
That entire issue disappears fir you then.
Also, I'm certain most* women do not look for a mans home and lifestyle first.
It maybe a factor ,but not the largest factor at least in the scenario of anyone living the average life.
TC , I'm certainly far from wealthy*.
I've had jobs that were far under average pay and some slightly above average pay. I've lived in crappy studio apartments and in the average suburban home.
None of that ever remotely changed in general womans interst in me,which like always is some were ,and many wernt lol
You fish with material things amd mindset,you'll get a material woman which you have said you do not want.
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Trench, son, it's that time of year when somebody, (more in hope than expectation), offers you some tough love.
Even if you put all your eggs in one basket you won't be near the top of the social ladder in Ukraine. Yes, you could in theory have a perfectly good house or apartment relative to the average person, but you wouldn't have the lifestyle that goes with it.
"The local chicks will see a guy who is not only living in one of the better more affluent cities in Ukraine but is living in one of the best parts of that city. In addition they will see that guy has access to money and opportunities in a wealthy western nation."
Will they know this access to money is a time limited credit card that needs to be paid off 18 months down the line or it will incur fees?
"Only downsides for her is that my Russian needs improving a bit"
You talk as though you are a polyglot who has already mastered several languages and are completely au fait with the genitative, accusative and locative case. Russian is bloody hard. When you say improving a bit you at least have mastered British under statement.
"End of the day most FSW I don't think care too much past the guy bringing a decent paycheck and living somewhere decent, that tends to be their main concern. I would have both sorted"
Nothing you have posted here over the years suggests you are this guy.
"In the UK unless you're really bringing in big money most jobs are pretty much all the same in terms of money, a few pay a bit more but by the time you take tax into account there often not a lot in it."
Not true.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/416102/average-annual-gross-pay-percentiles-united-kingdom/
I am in the fourth percentile for reference.
These figures do not include part time workers of whom there are 8 million people in the UK. Full time workers are double this figure, so I put more weight to the linked figures rather than your generalisation.
"by the time you take tax into account there often not a lot in it"
Every extra £100 I work over the income tax threshold I pay £12 in national insurance and £20 in income tax. In other words I am £68 better off doing an extra 9 hour shift. Last year I earned £22000 from my job and £5400 from renting out a property. So even by taking tax into account I was in the fourth income percentile and not the bottom - which you are.
"why stay a underachieving guy in a western country who many women don't view that well as they're sights are set ridiculously high when you can be seen as a top achiever in Ukraine"
You have within your gift to work harder, but you choose not to. Not too late to turn that boat around especially as you are currently screwed vis a vis pensions, but underachievement is on your watch.
Is it really a case of ridiculously high demands to expect more than the bare minimum?
There seems to me to be a recurring theme in your posts where you swing from low self esteem in your own country to imagining yourself to be the opposite in Ukraine. Hate to burst your bubble, but your project would not place you as a top achiever in Ukraine unless it is in terms of avoiding paying UK taxes.
It seems to me there are three main things that make a man attractive to a potential mate. Good looks/genes, a charismatic personality and sufficient wealth to support a family without scrimping and saving. If you were hitting big scores on either of those you would already have your Ukrainian hotty.
You have no confidence in your self and no trust in women. If you had a woman that loved you then you could live anywhere in the world without a nagging fear she would upgrade you like a mobile phone.
Someone wins the lottery each month and all who do so bought a ticket. You have been to Ukraine already, so you are a few steps ahead of the keyboard romantics. For you to have any degree of success you need to make changes - as much in your own life as your dating approach.
You definitely need to square the circle for how you could generate income over and above the £450 you would get from your house after paying for the mortgage - if somehow you became a resident and home owner in Ukraine.. Putting bills on plastic is a short term fix and that money will have to be repaid at some point.
Steven
I earn about £13,450 before tax so after tax say around £13k take home pay.
I don't know if your £22k is after tax but if it is not then about £9.5k of that will be taxable over the £12.5k income tax threshold and 8.5k NI Insurance threshold. So round that off to roughly a third in tax combined over £12.5k. So a third of 9.5k to keep maths simple we'll just go with £3k in tax combined. So you'll only take home £19k a year if that figure wasn't after tax. Either way I'm guessing you work full time so all those hours per year and your life sacrificed for what is really a measly amount. Remember of that salary will come any car running costs, house costs, etc. So what I'm saying is that it's not a lot for all those hours, not wishing to depress you here. I mean to my mind getting £68 after a 9 hour shift take home pay isn't that great. I would probably hardly notice it at the end of the day, 9 hours of my life spent. I could increase my hours and bring home similar money but then for me as well my life goes on just getting a bit extra in.
I'm not sure why you are only getting £450 a month or £5.4k a year from your house. Is it just one room you are renting out in your house? My house is a small affair so probably like yours. What I have been doing though is putting an ensuite in each of the three rooms. The two most spacious rooms I will rent out to lodgers, renting our the third room would technically deem it a HMO. Possibly might see if I can Airbnb it or something, as you likely know HMO regs are a nightmare. Either way I'm pretty sure I could get £200 a week for the two rooms, so £800 a month or somewhere near that. Any income from the third room would boost that sone more but like I say needs tip toeing around.
The thing is once leaving to live in Ukraine, for however long, that salary goes, so it's not really anything to talk about as it ceases to become relevant the moment the job is chucked in. In fact the bonus may actually come in the jobs not being that high earning. It means we can chuck the job in without fear of chucking in a high paying job that we might regret and not be able to get back should we wish it. We are then down to our rental income, but that is low enough so as to not lose tax on it.
The big plus we get on it all is that it frees up our time to find other sources of independent income. Now I'm not saying that is easy but as they say part of the problem with employment is that people develop a dependent mindset on it. I have done, people struggle to find ways to self employ themselves as their mindset has always been hand to mouth , bread and butter living. Obviously there is sone degree of soundness in that as opposed to being out there going it alone and having to find some form of income fast, but I think it nonetheless stops skills of independent self employment from being developed.
Main thing is out in Ukraine while I would be in decent accomodation out there I wouldn't of course be living the high life, just an enjoyable leisure time, the time I wasn't doing some sort of self employed work. You have to think that most FSW out there live in the old concrete block apartments. They are what still dominate for living out there, and that would likely be where I would be looking for a date. There are many women who live in that type of accommodation who would look at someone who lives in good accomodation bear or in the city centre and that will do it for them. All I need then it to find a girl who is into me and voila I beat the rest of the competition. All the girl really needs to see is that you can afford a good place bear or in the city centre out there, have enough money for food and enough to go out to a decent restaurant or decent entertainment here and there every so often. There's no great fortune involved, just enough to make a go of it get on beyond that of the everyday FSM who also mostly live in the concrete block apartments also and job done :)
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I live in Lviv, and Odessa would be the last city I would pick to live in. There are much better cities to live in. It’s a party city. I have the feeling if you lived in Ukraine you would be scammed left and right.
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I live in Lviv, and Odessa would be the last city I would pick to live in. There are much better cities to live in. It’s a party city. I have the feeling if you lived in Ukraine you would be scammed left and right.
Quite interesting your choosing how to spell the names of two Ukrainian cities.
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I live in Lviv, and Odessa would be the last city I would pick to live in. There are much better cities to live in. It’s a party city. I have the feeling if you lived in Ukraine you would be scammed left and right.
To each its own. I prefer Odesa to any other city in Ukraine. I like being near the water, small walkable centre and very good public transportation. 20-25 walk from centre to beaches. Yes, party town mostly in summertime, but i can avoid it if I want to. It all depends on what is comfortable for each person.
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I earn about £13,450 before tax so after tax say around £13k take home pay.
I don't know if your £22k is after tax but if it is not then about £9.5k of that will be taxable over the £12.5k income tax threshold and 8.5k NI Insurance threshold. So round that off to roughly a third in tax combined over £12.5k. So a third of 9.5k to keep maths simple we'll just go with £3k in tax combined. So you'll only take home £19k a year if that figure wasn't after tax. Either way I'm guessing you work full time so all those hours per year and your life sacrificed for what is really a measly amount. Remember of that salary will come any car running costs, house costs, etc. So what I'm saying is that it's not a lot for all those hours, not wishing to depress you here. I mean to my mind getting £68 after a 9 hour shift take home pay isn't that great. I would probably hardly notice it at the end of the day, 9 hours of my life spent. I could increase my hours and bring home similar money but then for me as well my life goes on just getting a bit extra in.
I'm not sure why you are only getting £450 a month or £5.4k a year from your house. Is it just one room you are renting out in your house? My house is a small affair so probably like yours. What I have been doing though is putting an ensuite in each of the three rooms. The two most spacious rooms I will rent out to lodgers, renting our the third room would technically deem it a HMO. Possibly might see if I can Airbnb it or something, as you likely know HMO regs are a nightmare. Either way I'm pretty sure I could get £200 a week for the two rooms, so £800 a month or somewhere near that. Any income from the third room would boost that sone more but like I say needs tip toeing around.
The thing is once leaving to live in Ukraine, for however long, that salary goes, so it's not really anything to talk about as it ceases to become relevant the moment the job is chucked in. In fact the bonus may actually come in the jobs not being that high earning. It means we can chuck the job in without fear of chucking in a high paying job that we might regret and not be able to get back should we wish it. We are then down to our rental income, but that is low enough so as to not lose tax on it.
The big plus we get on it all is that it frees up our time to find other sources of independent income. Now I'm not saying that is easy but as they say part of the problem with employment is that people develop a dependent mindset on it. I have done, people struggle to find ways to self employ themselves as their mindset has always been hand to mouth , bread and butter living. Obviously there is sone degree of soundness in that as opposed to being out there going it alone and having to find some form of income fast, but I think it nonetheless stops skills of independent self employment from being developed.
Main thing is out in Ukraine while I would be in decent accomodation out there I wouldn't of course be living the high life, just an enjoyable leisure time, the time I wasn't doing some sort of self employed work. You have to think that most FSW out there live in the old concrete block apartments. They are what still dominate for living out there, and that would likely be where I would be looking for a date. There are many women who live in that type of accommodation who would look at someone who lives in good accomodation bear or in the city centre and that will do it for them. All I need then it to find a girl who is into me and voila I beat the rest of the competition. All the girl really needs to see is that you can afford a good place bear or in the city centre out there, have enough money for food and enough to go out to a decent restaurant or decent entertainment here and there every so often. There's no great fortune involved, just enough to make a go of it get on beyond that of the everyday FSM who also mostly live in the concrete block apartments also and job done :)
£22000 gross income from my job is roughly £19000* after tax and national insurance. I find an extra £6500 over the tax threshold quite useful personally. It's 50% more than your yearly income.
I also like my job. I guess you don't like yours that much otherwise you would work more hours. I also think we all benefit from government spending funded by taxation.
* That figure also takes me over £18600 even without my rental income.
I have maintained a below market rate rent for my tenant as a quid pro quo for a long term rental. With inflation I am going to have to increase it to £475 a year next January though.
I made a simple calculation at the start. If my two bed maisonette (with one tenant) was empty for two months while charging £500, but always rented at £450 it would take 18 months charging at £500 to regain the missing £900.
Rental properties by their nature can entail transient residents. If you need the income then not having to replace tenants is very much worth it for peace of mind.
You are mystified that I am relaxed about missing an £50 extra in rent, but at the same time you can not see the benefit of working hard and earning £300-400 extra net pay per month compared to your pay packet. Hmmm.
Yes, I can see the logic of using your free time to transform your house, but this appears to be a one trick pony. You don't plan to do up other properties and we can assume after all this time you are near completion. So you are stuck permanently on, at best, £12,000 a year. Even in Ukraine that will only go so far.
Regarding my travel costs I have been averaging 5500 miles a year since I bought a new Dacia Sandero in 2017. Outright, not on credit. It's a cheap, reliable workhorse.
Three months ago I took advantage of the cycle to work scheme and bought an electric bicycle. I use it to cycle to work (10 mile round trip) when we don't have inclement weather. I estimate I can reduce my annual mileage to about 4000 miles if I cycle on average 3 times a week.
It costs almost nothing to charge the battery. A UK gallon of petrol these days would cost over £6. To charge my bike for the equivalent milage would be about 20p of electricity.
Regarding your vision of life in Ukraine you make the common mistake of assuming other people will see the world as you see it. What you offer to me does not have the X factor. Place to live, food to eat, go out now and then. These are the bare minimums of life.
The girl from the old Soviet concrete block apartment - I doubt she speaks much English and I am curious how you will encounter her several kilometres away from your des res in the more fashionable parts of Odesa.
Beyond the short term you would have your credit card bill to repay, only being in Ukraine 1 month in every 2, not having a USP regarding foreign travel, clothes and beauty budget, a car, buying a swanky mobile phone etc... Things that a girl might dream about, but no guy in Ukraine for the sake of argument can offer her.
The Ukrainian guy might have fewer resources than you, but he has an innate knowledge of the language and culture as well as the friendship and family circle. Just because we come from the West does not make us superior to Ukrainian guys. What price happiness?
The way I see life is that some people can be told not to go near a fire as it will burn them. Others feeling the warm glow go too close and get burnt - hopefully learning from the experience. Can't help feeling you are in the latter camp Trench.
It is possible that you could live the life of Riley while some misguided fools in Cardiff prepare for a future life of the hamster wheel of work, ensuring your rentier lifestyle. Every football team starts the season with zero points, but ceteris paribus, Peterborough United are not going to win the English Premier League in my lifetime.
The only thing to discover is if your fantasy transfers into reality. One thing I find notable is the assumption that a girl will just fall into place. I am intrigued how you plan to achieve this outcome.
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Quite interesting your choosing how to spell the names of two Ukrainian cities.
My spellings are right. Maybe you use the Russia spelling.
Ukrainian Львів English translation Lviv
Ukrainian Одеса English translation Odessa
Russian Одесса = Odessa
Russian Львов = Lvov
In western Ukraine no one uses the word Львов. That’s Russian and you’ll get put in your place for using it.
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£22000 gross income from my job is roughly £19000* after tax and national insurance. I find an extra £6500 over the tax threshold quite useful personally. It's 50% more than your yearly income.
I also like my job. I guess you don't like yours that much otherwise you would work more hours. I also think we all benefit from government spending funded by taxation.
* That figure also takes me over £18600 even without my rental income.
I have maintained a below market rate rent for my tenant as a quid pro quo for a long term rental. With inflation I am going to have to increase it to £475 a year next January though.
I made a simple calculation at the start. If my two bed maisonette (with one tenant) was empty for two months while charging £500, but always rented at £450 it would take 18 months charging at £500 to regain the missing £900.
Rental properties by their nature can entail transient residents. If you need the income then not having to replace tenants is very much worth it for peace of mind.
You are mystified that I am relaxed about missing an £50 extra in rent, but at the same time you can not see the benefit of working hard and earning £300-400 extra net pay per month compared to your pay packet. Hmmm.
Yes, I can see the logic of using your free time to transform your house, but this appears to be a one trick pony. You don't plan to do up other properties and we can assume after all this time you are near completion. So you are stuck permanently on, at best, £12,000 a year. Even in Ukraine that will only go so far.
Regarding my travel costs I have been averaging 5500 miles a year since I bought a new Dacia Sandero in 2017. Outright, not on credit. It's a cheap, reliable workhorse.
Three months ago I took advantage of the cycle to work scheme and bought an electric bicycle. I use it to cycle to work (10 mile round trip) when we don't have inclement weather. I estimate I can reduce my annual mileage to about 4000 miles if I cycle on average 3 times a week.
It costs almost nothing to charge the battery. A UK gallon of petrol these days would cost over £6. To charge my bike for the equivalent milage would be about 20p of electricity.
Regarding your vision of life in Ukraine you make the common mistake of assuming other people will see the world as you see it. What you offer to me does not have the X factor. Place to live, food to eat, go out now and then. These are the bare minimums of life.
The girl from the old Soviet concrete block apartment - I doubt she speaks much English and I am curious how you will encounter her several kilometres away from your des res in the more fashionable parts of Odesa.
Beyond the short term you would have your credit card bill to repay, only being in Ukraine 1 month in every 2, not having a USP regarding foreign travel, clothes and beauty budget, a car, buying a swanky mobile phone etc... Things that a girl might dream about, but no guy in Ukraine for the sake of argument can offer her.
The Ukrainian guy might have fewer resources than you, but he has an innate knowledge of the language and culture as well as the friendship and family circle. Just because we come from the West does not make us superior to Ukrainian guys. What price happiness?
The way I see life is that some people can be told not to go near a fire as it will burn them. Others feeling the warm glow go too close and get burnt - hopefully learning from the experience. Can't help feeling you are in the latter camp Trench.
It is possible that you could live the life of Riley while some misguided fools in Cardiff prepare for a future life of the hamster wheel of work, ensuring your rentier lifestyle. Every football team starts the season with zero points, but ceteris paribus, Peterborough United are not going to win the English Premier League in my lifetime.
The only thing to discover is if your fantasy transfers into reality. One thing I find notable is the assumption that a girl will just fall into place. I am intrigued how you plan to achieve this outcome.
Just looked on Zoopla Steven, my house is still down as a one bedder there and they reckon it's now estimated worth is approx £80k up from £40k a few years ago so that's a £40k gain just by buying and sitting on it minus council tax, electricity and water bills of course.
However, after having completed the work I have been doing on it I estimate the house as a three bedder will be worth about £140k. So that's a £60k increase over four years or so of work over the price it would be if I had left it as a one bedder.
So divide that £60k increase by four, that gives approx £15k increase by each year spent on average. If I had just worked longer hours like you had I would have just earnt roughly £6k for each of those four years. Even if I am overestimating my house value a little my guess is that I would still be at least £12k a year better off so double of what I would have earnt working.
I wouldn't say the house conversion was easy, I could have had an easier time working to sone extent. I don't mind where I work, in some ways I quite like it, it's one of the better jobs I've had, it's also relatively stable and relatively easy going. That said it's not a high payer, it's relatively low income, I don't mind that as it's just a relatively easy going number I want without much stress. That said while it pays its way it also keeps me in a static position in life. That's fine for a while and no I wouldn't want to give up the job without assured decent income elsewhere. I know I could do a lot worse elsewhere and work hard for relatively low pay.
I could do more hours at it but not while I'm finishing converting the house, that would be counter-productive. In general though shortly after finishing my house I would like to move on with work. I know I can go back there most likely anytime and while I can do without disruption like that I really want to move on to progress in life. That's not likely to happen where I work in any way that I would like it to. An independent income from the house would give me the income I need to be independent and seek out new opportunities, not just possibly Odessa but in general. A job, particularly one I have to be physically at or long hours of work kind of stops that from happening. Funnily enough a lot of people on Furlough took the advantage of it to set up their own businesses, some of course didn't do well, that's life but some did very well and have never looked but and decided not to return to their old jobs lol.
So I don't really want to tie myself down by trying to earn more here. I might do a few extra hours before chucking my job in to right my finances a bit better but that's probably it.
I think you're strategy on renting out is a good one though Steven, do just below market rate so the renter's look around and see that there are no better deals going so are left with the obvious conclusion of staying put. In addition they feel a bit better for not having to pay the top rate while you likely avoid a lot of voids. I've heard doing a yearly inflationary increase is a good idea as well so the tenants/lodgers get used to the rent going up each year in line with everything else of course still keeping it below market rate. That way it doesn't come as a big surprise when they get an increase after a few years especially if it's a big one to correct for a big market adjustment. So even a very small increase each year can be a better way to handle it apparently.
In Odessa I will likely be using dating apps like tinder to bring up the local women. For sure not all will know English that well, that's something I will have to navigate. I will obviously use Google Translate but also will be trying to learn Russian better. It's kind of difficult to say how they will regard my situation until there. The impression I get is that there are probably many girls that would look favourably on a guy that could provide decently and look pretty stable at doing so. I think I would have to promote it to the lady and see how it goes down but I'm pretty sure I have something good to offer as they will see it :)
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Just looked on Zoopla Steven, my house is still down as a one bedder there and they reckon it's now estimated worth is approx £80k up from £40k a few years ago so that's a £40k gain just by buying and sitting on it minus council tax, electricity and water bills of course.
However, after having completed the work I have been doing on it I estimate the house as a three bedder will be worth about £140k. So that's a £60k increase over four years or so of work over the price it would be if I had left it as a one bedder.
So divide that £60k increase by four, that gives approx £15k increase by each year spent on average. If I had just worked longer hours like you had I would have just earnt roughly £6k for each of those four years. Even if I am overestimating my house value a little my guess is that I would still be at least £12k a year better off so double of what I would have earnt working.
I wouldn't say the house conversion was easy, I could have had an easier time working to sone extent. I don't mind where I work, in some ways I quite like it, it's one of the better jobs I've had, it's also relatively stable and relatively easy going. That said it's not a high payer, it's relatively low income, I don't mind that as it's just a relatively easy going number I want without much stress. That said while it pays its way it also keeps me in a static position in life. That's fine for a while and no I wouldn't want to give up the job without assured decent income elsewhere. I know I could do a lot worse elsewhere and work hard for relatively low pay.
I could do more hours at it but not while I'm finishing converting the house, that would be counter-productive. In general though shortly after finishing my house I would like to move on with work. I know I can go back there most likely anytime and while I can do without disruption like that I really want to move on to progress in life. That's not likely to happen where I work in any way that I would like it to. An independent income from the house would give me the income I need to be independent and seek out new opportunities, not just possibly Odessa but in general. A job, particularly one I have to be physically at or long hours of work kind of stops that from happening. Funnily enough a lot of people on Furlough took the advantage of it to set up their own businesses, some of course didn't do well, that's life but some did very well and have never looked but and decided not to return to their old jobs lol.
So I don't really want to tie myself down by trying to earn more here. I might do a few extra hours before chucking my job in to right my finances a bit better but that's probably it.
Hola old chap!
I review the numbers you provide and have a question or two, if you don't mind. Is the cost of living in UK rather low? It seems the numbers you provide for income/home value are exceptionally low compared to the types of numbers I see in much of the states. Most people (Especially in much of California) could not come close to surviving with the salary you discuss. Given the salary, how can you afford to travel at all?
If I were travelling again to meet women and enjoy myself, I'd probably allocate 5-7k per trip door to door. Finances would be a non-factor. I figured Brits income were somewhat on par with US incomes but maybe not.
Fathertime!
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TC , I think converting your home was a solid plan and certainly increased its value, and it's ability to provide rental income.
Your work to convert is certainly value/income investment.
That said you cannot realistically add its appraisal /appreciation as a one bedroom over the time frame vs earned income.
All homes in your area and region did the same thing, unless you sold and permanently moved to an area with lower housing costs its a wash,mute point,not an increase or income.
My own home appreciated on par ,in fact a bit more than in surrounding states, it's its irrelevant as we enjoy living here ,if we sold ,anyplace here appreciated equally.
Anywhere I'd prefer to move (some other regions) appreciated equally or more.
It's appreciation would be realized if I retired, sold ,and moved to a region that housing was less,and would need the added factor that the per square ft average had not appreciated there at the same rate,even if overall price was lower
I can't view it as appreciating my holdings or as income,even if it doubles in selling price.(unless that only happened here*)
Like fathertime, I do wonder how you manage .
I know travel is less as you are so much closer.
But my area is quite low cost of living compared to fathertimes, and still folks on average at your income would struggle ,and have disposable income for big trips.
Heck my income which is sufficient here would be stretched thin in fathertimes area as housing costs alone there dwarf mine.
Hats off to you for making it work and for digging into increasing your property towards income. 👍
I'm sure it was a huge project.
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My spellings are right. Maybe you use the Russia spelling.
Ukrainian Львів English translation Lviv
Ukrainian Одеса English translation Odessa
Russian Одесса = Odessa
Russian Львов = Lvov
In western Ukraine no one uses the word Львов. That’s Russian and you’ll get put in your place for using it.
I made my comment because you mixed the English translations of Russian and Ukrainian spellings.
You are completely wrong and far behind the times with respect to Official Ukrainian Government spelling of Odesa in English.
Here is from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine.
http://mfa.gov.ua/en/correctua
#CorrectUA | Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
Copied in many publications including:
http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/ukraines-foreign-affairs-ministry-issues-open-letter-on-correct-spelling-of-ukrainian-place-names/
Here is a more complete listing of cities ordered by population size.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Ukraine
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Just looked on Zoopla Steven, my house is still down as a one bedder there and they reckon it's now estimated worth is approx £80k up from £40k a few years ago so that's a £40k gain just by buying and sitting on it minus council tax, electricity and water bills of course.
However, after having completed the work I have been doing on it I estimate the house as a three bedder will be worth about £140k. So that's a £60k increase over four years or so of work over the price it would be if I had left it as a one bedder.
So divide that £60k increase by four, that gives approx £15k increase by each year spent on average. If I had just worked longer hours like you had I would have just earnt roughly £6k for each of those four years. Even if I am overestimating my house value a little my guess is that I would still be at least £12k a year better off so double of what I would have earnt working.
I wouldn't say the house conversion was easy, I could have had an easier time working to sone extent. I don't mind where I work, in some ways I quite like it, it's one of the better jobs I've had, it's also relatively stable and relatively easy going. That said it's not a high payer, it's relatively low income, I don't mind that as it's just a relatively easy going number I want without much stress. That said while it pays its way it also keeps me in a static position in life. That's fine for a while and no I wouldn't want to give up the job without assured decent income elsewhere. I know I could do a lot worse elsewhere and work hard for relatively low pay.
I could do more hours at it but not while I'm finishing converting the house, that would be counter-productive. In general though shortly after finishing my house I would like to move on with work. I know I can go back there most likely anytime and while I can do without disruption like that I really want to move on to progress in life. That's not likely to happen where I work in any way that I would like it to. An independent income from the house would give me the income I need to be independent and seek out new opportunities, not just possibly Odessa but in general. A job, particularly one I have to be physically at or long hours of work kind of stops that from happening. Funnily enough a lot of people on Furlough took the advantage of it to set up their own businesses, some of course didn't do well, that's life but some did very well and have never looked but and decided not to return to their old jobs lol.
So I don't really want to tie myself down by trying to earn more here. I might do a few extra hours before chucking my job in to right my finances a bit better but that's probably it.
I think you're strategy on renting out is a good one though Steven, do just below market rate so the renter's look around and see that there are no better deals going so are left with the obvious conclusion of staying put. In addition they feel a bit better for not having to pay the top rate while you likely avoid a lot of voids. I've heard doing a yearly inflationary increase is a good idea as well so the tenants/lodgers get used to the rent going up each year in line with everything else of course still keeping it below market rate. That way it doesn't come as a big surprise when they get an increase after a few years especially if it's a big one to correct for a big market adjustment. So even a very small increase each year can be a better way to handle it apparently.
In Odessa I will likely be using dating apps like tinder to bring up the local women. For sure not all will know English that well, that's something I will have to navigate. I will obviously use Google Translate but also will be trying to learn Russian better. It's kind of difficult to say how they will regard my situation until there. The impression I get is that there are probably many girls that would look favourably on a guy that could provide decently and look pretty stable at doing so. I think I would have to promote it to the lady and see how it goes down but I'm pretty sure I have something good to offer as they will see it :)
Hats off to you if an estate agent markets the house at your estimated price. However they might be less generous than you in assessing the value added.
The capital gain is purely theoretiucal as you have stated you are not going to sell the house. What you will have done is to increase the amount you can borrow against the house - but that still needs to be repaid and with interest. As i mentioned in passing any such mortgage payment can only be half of what any tenants would pay. Therefore you would only have £500 income per month if you mortgage the house to the full extent.
I don't want this to be a willy waving contest, but since I bought my maisonette in 2013 it has increased in value from £52,500 to £70,000 and my house that i live in has increased from £78,000 to £104,000. So a £40,000 increase if I had done nothing to either property. Such is the crazy nature of the housing market. I spent £10,000 improving the maisonette before renting it out and so far £20,000 on my house.
In the next 18 months I will take out a loan so that i can remove the chimney breasts in the two bedrooms as well as the lounge and dining area. I also want to create a bedroom in the loft which has a high ceiling. I will be borrowing about 20% of the space of the smaller bedroom to put in a staircase which would provide some storage space below the stairs. The loss of space will be partly off set by removing the chimney breast.
In 10 years time my parents would be in their mid 90s so I have to realistic and accept that they would no longer be with me. In such a case I could buy a house with my inheritance and rent this one out. I am trying to improve the house, but not so much that it would price people out of renting it.
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Hola old chap!
I review the numbers you provide and have a question or two, if you don't mind. Is the cost of living in UK rather low? It seems the numbers you provide for income/home value are exceptionally low compared to the types of numbers I see in much of the states. Most people (Especially in much of California) could not come close to surviving with the salary you discuss. Given the salary, how can you afford to travel at all?
If I were travelling again to meet women and enjoy myself, I'd probably allocate 5-7k per trip door to door. Finances would be a non-factor. I figured Brits income were somewhat on par with US incomes but maybe not.
Fathertime!
Lol, even if we convert that $5-7k into ponds day £3-5k it's a lot of money to many maybe most Brits to spend on traveling/holiday. Maybe if you were paying for a whole family in a nice resort or hotel or something.
It's kind of like I was saying a while back about the economy in the UK working differently to the economy in the US. Here I think most people generally get paid less than in the US. In the US I get the impression particularly beyond shop work a guy can make a good salary if he or she has some kind of skill. Here there are a lit of people with skills of all sorts but it doesn't often matter a whole lot to earning more. An Accountant for example will earn say £25-30k be taxed on that and often find progression difficult. If he or she stays in it a long while they may get £30-35k or more but that is probably towards the end of most people's careers. Only the lucky few go through and earn more money than that.
If I'm going on a trip to the FSU, these days I know I can get a budget airline trip fir around £50-100 return, ridiculously cheap in a way. Then get a say three star hotel near or around the city centre for a few nights for say around £200-300. Something pleasant looking with a few nice features perhaps. Then put aside £200-300 for spend money. A bit of extra money for going to & from airport at either end. So all in all I would say a journey would be around £1k, possibly a bit less, all depends on length of stay, how frugal, etc.
The UK is kind of all about how cheap something can be done lol. Employers want costs as cheap as possible so don't want to pay high salaries. Employees want to buy stuff as cheap as possible so Employers can only pay so much. Only thing that costs a lot are houses, as in the US because we generally only live in solid built houses we can only accommodate so many people like that, no slums of India here but as a result a lot of people relative to housing means high house price cost. Best thing to be is on the housing ladder as that means you're sat on an asset that is ever appreciating in value, or at least has been for the last 20 years or so, roughly.
I live in a fairly cheap part of the UK, Wales, I think Steven does too, Nottingham (Northern England). Even so house price rises have hit here of late as housing gets more and more constrained. The thing I like about Steven is that he is more of a typical Brit sort of situation, like me :) He earns a typical Brit salary about £22k before tax and £19k after tax, boosted by £5.4k tax free income from his house he rents out. That's more how most Brits live I think though probably not that many with rental income. I could easily earn that much when I've done my house in approx 2-3 months. It's not that it would be a bad deal as such but I wanted to develop independent income to give me freedom to go of and do as I please not work for an Employer my whole life, with a bit of luck ;) It basically gives me an income without feeling that I immediately have to get money coming in and not be able to sort out what I want to do.
To be honest for the UK and perhaps in general the sorts of figures me and Steven talk about are small fry, we're everyday guys. The UK is full of people earning the same sort of money whatever they do. Housing is a different issue as many get stuck renting so we're not doing to bad on that one but still the numbers are small. There are people that have a lot more wealth, some have load of properties, or properties of high value in London, etc. Unless they are in a lot of debt they can do whatever they please. They are not loads of people like that but they exist and are basically lucky buggers. Other people may have a well paying job like Medical Doctors earning around £100k a year or more but they are difficult jobs to train for and get into and no doubt stressful when doing. I don't think they are to be envied and again not that many of them in the UK. So it all depends, London is probably more like California, high living costs but more higher paid jobs, if you can get one. Outside of London and out in the wilds of the UK cheaper living but less higher paid jobs to try to knab.
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Hats off to you if an estate agent markets the house at your estimated price. However they might be less generous than you in assessing the value added.
The capital gain is purely theoretiucal as you have stated you are not going to sell the house. What you will have done is to increase the amount you can borrow against the house - but that still needs to be repaid and with interest. As i mentioned in passing any such mortgage payment can only be half of what any tenants would pay. Therefore you would only have £500 income per month if you mortgage the house to the full extent.
I don't want this to be a willy waving contest, but since I bought my maisonette in 2013 it has increased in value from £52,500 to £70,000 and my house that i live in has increased from £78,000 to £104,000. So a £40,000 increase if I had done nothing to either property. Such is the crazy nature of the housing market. I spent £10,000 improving the maisonette before renting it out and so far £20,000 on my house.
In the next 18 months I will take out a loan so that i can remove the chimney breasts in the two bedrooms as well as the lounge and dining area. I also want to create a bedroom in the loft which has a high ceiling. I will be borrowing about 20% of the space of the smaller bedroom to put in a staircase which would provide some storage space below the stairs. The loss of space will be partly off set by removing the chimney breast.
In 10 years time my parents would be in their mid 90s so I have to realistic and accept that they would no longer be with me. In such a case I could buy a house with my inheritance and rent this one out. I am trying to improve the house, but not so much that it would price people out of renting it.
That's pretty much what I did with my place, except the chimney breast stepped out on the ground floor, so the step out is what I removed. On the first floor I'm not sure if there was an opening, the chimney continues to but it's always been stepped back so nothing to remove. The chimney stake had been removed already before I bought the place so that saved me a job and was handy as I don't like heights lol.
Anyhow so then I took a staircase up into the loft and did that out. However the joist beams needed new beams in there, stronger basically deeper beams as the joists there were too thin, basically just ceiling joists to hold up the ceiling, so I did that. Taking out the chimney breast on the ground floor ended up a big task also as it was rough stone, I still left a few cm step out to make sure it could support the above stone wall. It gave a bit more space needed which was good, I'm guessing your chimney will be brick though Steven so should be a lot quicker to remove and likely cleaner. Rough stone locks into each other every which way so worked out time consuming to remove, with the line mortar around mess everywhere. A SDS Plus hammer chisel/drill or better still a SDS Max one from somewhere like Screwfix or Toolstation will do the job well. I had an SDS Plus one but with hindsight a SDS Max is probably the better buy for speed. Of course consider any structural issues with removing the chimney breast as that's obviously real important.
Under stair areas I have found handy for putting Ensuite toilets, basically a toilet and a small sink. Decided to do that even before the virus hit and probably more handy as a result now. Thus all my bedrooms now have ensuite toilets without them taking up good bedroom space. Probably a good point to rent out with I reckon.
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That's pretty much what I did with my place, except the chimney breast stepped out on the ground floor, so the step out is what I removed. On the first floor I'm not sure if there was an opening, the chimney continues to but it's always been stepped back so nothing to remove. The chimney stake had been removed already before I bought the place so that saved me a job and was handy as I don't like heights lol.
Anyhow so then I took a staircase up into the loft and did that out. However the joist beams needed new beams in there, stronger basically deeper beams as the joists there were too thin, basically just ceiling joists to hold up the ceiling, so I did that. Taking out the chimney breast on the ground floor ended up a big task also as it was rough stone, I still left a few cm step out to make sure it could support the above stone wall. It gave a bit more space needed which was good, I'm guessing your chimney will be brick though Steven so should be a lot quicker to remove and likely cleaner. Rough stone locks into each other every which way so worked out time consuming to remove, with the line mortar around mess everywhere. A SDS Plus hammer chisel/drill or better still a SDS Max one from somewhere like Screwfix or Toolstation will do the job well. I had an SDS Plus one but with hindsight a SDS Max is probably the better buy for speed. Of course consider any structural issues with removing the chimney breast as that's obviously real important.
Under stair areas I have found handy for putting Ensuite toilets, basically a toilet and a small sink. Decided to do that even before the virus hit and probably more handy as a result now. Thus all my bedrooms now have ensuite toilets without them taking up good bedroom space. Probably a good point to rent out with I reckon.
Have you had the council inspect your work per building regs? I half suspect this may have slipped your mind. The chimney breasts downstairs take up a significant amount of room in my house and i can't wait for the day when they are gone. Qudos to you for doing that, but i will be quite happy to pay a trademan to do it.
I know several people in my peer group at school btw who are earning £30k, £40k, even £70k salaries. Maybe your part of Wales pays poor salaries and this colours your view of what salaries are available generally. I am in the Ashfield part of Nottinghamshire which has relatively low pay, but as my company pays the same wherever you live apart from London i get more bang for my buck here. It's a lot cheaper to live here than Rushcliffe or Gedling districts.
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Have you had the council inspect your work per building regs? I half suspect this may have slipped your mind. The chimney breasts downstairs take up a significant amount of room in my house and i can't wait for the day when they are gone. Qudos to you for doing that, but i will be quite happy to pay a trademan to do it.
I know several people in my peer group at school btw who are earning £30k, £40k, even £70k salaries. Maybe your part of Wales pays poor salaries and this colours your view of what salaries are available generally. I am in the Ashfield part of Nottinghamshire which has relatively low pay, but as my company pays the same wherever you live apart from London i get more bang for my buck here. It's a lot cheaper to live here than Rushcliffe or Gedling districts.
Well, the chimney breast for me wasn't much of a structural concern since it stepped out so was excess to structural need, it all checked out with the regs. It was a big ugly thing though, took up to a foot of the room right the way across the room since it wasn't really done to look pleasant but for functionality being a coal miners terrace.
For some houses though of course the chimney is integral to the structure of the place or difficult to remove without affecting the structure. I know what you mean though that it's great having big chunky fire places removed though as they are pretty useless these days and the extra space you get back is wonderful :)
I think if you know people at School earning those sorts of salaries then it's good for them. I kind of think to some extent it's luck of the draw. That said some of the jobs around for those types of salaries can be hard going and full of stress all the time. Time over again maybe if I studied Finance and tried to get into stockbroking or something but loads of people try that stuff and don't make it. I kind of wish I could have a well paying job like that then I wouldn't have to mess around doing all this other stuff. Problem with the UK I think is too many people, most of the stuff you think of that you could do there are umpteen many others competing against you to do the same thing. Just makes it real difficult to earn good money at it.
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In 10 years time my parents would be in their mid 90s so I have to realistic and accept that they would no longer be with me. In such a case I could buy a house with my inheritance and rent this one out. I am trying to improve the house, but not so much that it would price people out of renting it.
My parents are already older than the Queen and still going strong. I have about given up on inheritances, lol. Much better to plan on working for whatever you want to spend.
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I live in Lviv, and Odessa would be the last city I would pick to live in. There are much better cities to live in. It’s a party city. I have the feeling if you lived in Ukraine you would be scammed left and right.
Scamming can happen in any city in Ukraine and not just by the women. I get the impression if someone sees they can make a quick buck they'll try it on, not everyone but as a foreigner they could see you as an easy target, i.e try to charge you way more than the market price for rent, etc, etc.
I liked Lviv a lot when I got there and still do a bit. The old medieval style buildings are great. It also has a slight Hollywood feel about it with the surrounding hills around I thought, a nice feel to the place. However, after a couple of weeks there the tourism side if the city was starting to get to me a bit, it was kind of a bit Truman Show like playing over and over again like being on a film set stuck on a loop. You're right Odessa is a bit of a party city but Lviv is kind of a tourist city lol. I prefer a party city as it gives a fun vibrant vibe that I like. A tourist city feels like being stuck in a tourist trap after a while. My father used to always complain about being in a tourist trap when we used to go on holidays in the UK, I couldn't see it at the time but with Lviv I certainly got to feel it and started to see why such places are such a turn off. A lot of it is fake, some of it quite fun fake but fake all the same. I liked the kerosene restaurant and the chocolate shop :) Some of the other themed restaurants were great and did great food, the cherry wine place was nice also. So yeah it has its upsides, I like the history and old fashioned Architecture of the place too. I possibly could live there for a while but the touristy element was off-putting to nevaway a while I've got to say.
Other slight issue was I felt they were getting to the point of doing the buildings up a bit too much, of course it's great to see some buildings restored but too many and the place starts to look artificial, Disney like. Nothing better than feeling the vibe of an old medieval style buildings like it was back in the day. Lviv also felt a bit western European like, the people, etc so while that was nice in a way it's also something I would kind of like to get away from also. Other than that I don't think there was any beach around Lviv being a landlocked city, possibly there might be a lake or two nearby but I like a nice beach scene.
So all in all, yeah I guess Lviv would be my second choice of city to live in and can see why you chose it, it's a nice city. However I kind of prefer a party city more, Odessa is great with the beach and I never felt the party nature was in a bad leery sort of way, too noisy or uncouth, just about right. There's a but if tourism etc in Odessa which doesn't feel too over the top so overall felt about right to me. I could feel different when there I guess and might start to prefer Lviv, Lviv I enjoyed myself more in I guess but once the tourist attractions have been exhausted there's not a lot more to it plus in holiday mode a bit too much I fear there I think.
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In Odessa I will likely be using dating apps like tinder to bring up the local women. For sure not all will know English that well, that's something I will have to navigate. I will obviously use Google Translate but also will be trying to learn Russian better. It's kind of difficult to say how they will regard my situation until there. The impression I get is that there are probably many girls that would look favourably on a guy that could provide decently and look pretty stable at doing so. I think I would have to promote it to the lady and see how it goes down but I'm pretty sure I have something good to offer as they will see it :)
If you are using Tinder are you not losing your perceived advantage? Tinder is ruthless. The girl looks at the photo for a nano second before swiping left or right. Your abode in Ukraine and independent income won't get a mention. You will be judged against the local competition on looks alone. To a degree you would stand out not having Slavic features, but all the same I would not have Tinder down as an app for finding a long term relationship.
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If you are using Tinder are you not losing your perceived advantage? Tinder is ruthless. The girl looks at the photo for a nano second before swiping left or right. Your abode in Ukraine and independent income won't get a mention. You will be judged against the local competition on looks alone. To a degree you would stand out not having Slavic features, but all the same I would not have Tinder down as an app for finding a long term relationship.
I'll have to test it out. I can change the city so will probably sign up soon and do that. You're right to some extent I will lose a certain something. The hope is though that I will go more on personal appeal and so get up girls who are naturally more interested. That way I avoid a lot of girls who are just out for their own alterior motive and aren't really into me from the get go.
I'm not saying it's the only method I'll use, like someone said building up a network is handy as if someone knows someone else, etc who's single and wants to find a good man, etc.
There's other methods available, Odessa is the first stop on the AFA tour (loveme.com). Now it's not got the best reputation but aside from Scammer girls that turn up there are local girls who may become serious to the right guy. If it becomes known that you live locally then they may view you very well.
There's other apps to use also, I think someone said Bumble may work there. Mamba I am not keen on these days, it was originally free and good to use and was for dating for locals, then foreigners got involved more & more. They then changed the site to pay for and it became a bit if a rip off and difficult to contact the younger women on there. But anything in a pinch is worth a go. Just basically try as many things to get the women up will be the main deal I think.
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I'll have to test it out. I can change the city so will probably sign up soon and do that. You're right to some extent I will lose a certain something. The hope is though that I will go more on personal appeal and so get up girls who are naturally more interested. That way I avoid a lot of girls who are just out for their own alterior motive and aren't really into me from the get go.
I'm not saying it's the only method I'll use, like someone said building up a network is handy as if someone knows someone else, etc who's single and wants to find a good man, etc.
There's other methods available, Odessa is the first stop on the AFA tour (license.com). Now it's not got the best reputation but aside from Scammer girls that turn up there are local girls who may become serious to the right guy. If it becomes known that you live locally then they may view you very well.
There's other apps to use also, I think someone said Bumble may work there. Mamba I am not keen on these days, it was originally free and good to use and was for dating for locals, then foreigners got involved more & more. They then changed the site to pay for and it became a bit if a rip off and difficult to contact the younger women on there. But anything in a pinch is worth a go. Just basically try as many things to get the women up will be the main deal I think.
Aren't those tours something like $2000? The trouble is they go to three cities in quick succession. Don't know if there is an option to just do Odesa. Also from what I have seen on YouTube there is is too much choice.
In those circumstances I would be ruthless and restrict myself to those who don't need an interpreter. No matter how pretty the non English speakers are. If you met more than one you can see them afterwards in Odesa, so avoiding the usual pitfalls of those who move on to Kherson.
It might not be the worst idea to be fair even though it would be the most expensive nightclub you ever go to. There would be some going for free drinks, some curious and some serious. You would have the time to weed them out.
I have come to the conclusion that this is a high stakes, high reward game and some, maybe a lot of the money you spend is a sunk cost.
I've been to Ukraine a few times and even though it didn't work out with a couple of ladies (my decision) I got to visit places that would have been more difficult on my own.
I'm chatting with a woman from Kyiv at the moment who on paper would be the woman of my life. I've booked a week off in June at work which I can easily change to a later date depending on Putin. Will leave flights and apartment to later on. As much as I like her I would be going with an attitude of lets have a good time and see what happens. I think you can go with too much pressure.
I thing the best thing to be is to be yourself - just don't be stingy on the way for the small things.
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There's other methods available, Odessa is the first stop on the AFA tour (license.com). Now it's not got the best reputation but aside from Scammer girls that turn up there are local girls who may become serious to the right guy. If it becomes known that you live locally then they may view you very well.
If I were in the game, I'd look at a tour like AFA. Granted there are scammers of all sorts, but they would put you in a room with 100's of women. You can then make the call.
When I did my silly tour (The Dreaded Anastasia) in early 2005, I had a very good time. Found a beautiful woman, I opted out in the end, but I had a chance if I wanted to take it. I was young, but still it was easy to identify the scammers, and minimize interaction. Little time was wasted, the hotel, support, and overall experience was good for a first timer. There was a % of guys on the tour that were sex tourists, and goofs of course. I think the environment attracts women/men with intents other than marriage...but for the right people at the right time, long term matches can happen.
If it were me, I wouldn't see myself on a site like Bumblebee trying to hook up with individual ladies like that in a cold isolated environment. I'd probably wind up sitting in the hotel and watch TV or something.
Fathertime!
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Aren't those tours something like $2000? The trouble is they go to three cities in quick succession. Don't know if there is an option to just do Odesa. Also from what I have seen on YouTube there is is too much choice.
In those circumstances I would be ruthless and restrict myself to those who don't need an interpreter. No matter how pretty the non English speakers are. If you met more than one you can see them afterwards in Odesa, so avoiding the usual pitfalls of those who move on to Kherson.
It might not be the worst idea to be fair even though it would be the most expensive nightclub you ever go to. There would be some going for free drinks, some curious and some serious. You would have the time to weed them out.
I have come to the conclusion that this is a high stakes, high reward game and some, maybe a lot of the money you spend is a sunk cost.
I've been to Ukraine a few times and even though it didn't work out with a couple of ladies (my decision) I got to visit places that would have been more difficult on my own.
I'm chatting with a woman from Kyiv at the moment who on paper would be the woman of my life. I've booked a week off in June at work which I can easily change to a later date depending on Putin. Will leave flights and apartment to later on. As much as I like her I would be going with an attitude of lets have a good time and see what happens. I think you can go with too much pressure.
I thing the best thing to be is to be yourself - just don't be stingy on the way for the small things.
I know what you mean, I think the main place I would have had trouble getting to and from would have been Pirogov, the traditional Folk Architecture Outdoor Museum, if you've ever been to Weald and Download Outdoor Museum in the UK it's much like that but a but more rustic setup. It's basically stuck way out in the countryside off some motorway that runs nearby, think there was a tower block or two in the distance but that's about it. I went back in 2016 with a girl and at that time there was no Uber or similar operating. So she ordered the taxi's by mobile phone which meant I got a good deal over picking one of the street which is much more expensive. The entrance to the parkland itself was just manned by this rusty old kiosk off to the side, painted greenish I think it was, so kind of back in the day. Anyhow main thing was, was that there was little in the way of civilization out there apart from other tourists. I think we were lucky to be able to get a mobile phone signal out there and get a taxi to take us back into central Kiev. If not or if she had buggered off I don't know what we/I would have done. Possibly had a long and uncomfortable walk back to civilization somehow lol.
Yeah the idea of getting a girl to show you around isn't a bad one and see how you get on. There are plenty of Ukrainian girls that will do that, they're a social lot which is nice but I think what's in it for them is a free meal out, casual entertainment, no big deal for us westerners as it's cheap for us but I sometimes think there may be more interested in that than finding a guy but who knows. I believe 2tallbill's method was to ditch any such woman where there was no attraction upon meeting and call up others so as to not waste time with the wrong woman. Strategy can vary on that of course. I don't regret the time I spent with the women I met but I wonder if I should have handled it better, but hey ho.
Anyway, yeah the tours bring up women that just go for the party. However, sometimes if they find the right bloke, one with natural chemistry then that can turn into an unexpected relationship. Last I saw AFA was doing it where you could book an individual city for a few hundred pounds. They also deduct the cost of the flight if not coming from the UK. So for me it might be worth a look with the Odessa one for convenience. Even the Nikolaev and Kherson ones may not be bad as not that far away. I would have an advantage over the other guys on the tour as living there would be more convenient to the girl plus I know the game a fair bit. That's not to say I would win at it as you've no doubt seen the documentary 'Love Me' it can be random. Possibly some girl might actually want to move abroad but as the real wealthy American found out on there that not many do, but if the right guy comes up that may change it all.
I think you're right Steven it's definitely a high stakes high reward game. Some guys get lucky early in or first time out on the game most guys though it's a lot longer journey. There are ways to do it cheaper and I think it's been getting cheaper. When I started out in 2016 there was no budget airlines to Ukraine, it was UIA mainly, it wasn't real expensive but you can get it cheaper now, about half the price or less on a budget airline. There was also no Uber, Uklon, Yandex taxi apps so you had to pay the full wack on taxi's as a foreigner and also try and avoid being ripped off. Hotels were cheap enough and most still are. Method is also important to saving money, spending one journey to see one girl who turns out not to be interested adds up if repeating that a lot, some guys don't mind doing that. I think I said just recently that all in all it can cost up to around £1k per trip, it can be done a bit cheaper just do a weekend and cut out a lot of stuff then it can probably be brought down nearer £500. Once you've done a lot of tourist stuff in a location and if only meeting one girl then there no real need to do a whole week. Anyway, thing is if I added up all the going out and meeting girls holiday outings it would no doubt exceed the price of an AFA tour. Pitfulls obviously with AFA tours but same goes plucking women of websites I think. I don't really regret the path I chose so much as I think an AFA tour would have probably been too much for me to take in with all the women and terps and carry on that go on. It's kind of a good idea to get a good girl to show you around to get familiar with Ukraine to start with and then find your way from there I reckon.
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If I were in the game, I'd look at a tour like AFA. Granted there are scammers of all sorts, but they would put you in a room with 100's of women. You can then make the call.
When I did my silly tour (The Dreaded Anastasia) in early 2005, I had a very good time. Found a beautiful woman, I opted out in the end, but I had a chance if I wanted to take it. I was young, but still it was easy to identify the scammers, and minimize interaction. Little time was wasted, the hotel, support, and overall experience was good for a first timer. There was a % of guys on the tour that were sex tourists, and goofs of course. I think the environment attracts women/men with intents other than marriage...but for the right people at the right time, long term matches can happen.
If it were me, I wouldn't see myself on a site like Bumblebee trying to hook up with individual ladies like that in a cold isolated environment. I'd probably wind up sitting in the hotel and watch TV or something.
Fathertime!
Exactly, I do sometimes think time over after the experience with being shown around Kiev with the first girl that I might have then been better off going and doing an AFA tour. They get a bit of a bad rep from some guys and I don't blame them but like you say FT that you get a lit of women in a room, can weight them up there and then and get a choice out if a lit of women isn't a bad thing. Trying to pluck one out at a time and hope there is chemistry is kind of long winded, if the guy looks like Brad Pitt maybe less so. I kind of think that apart from the negatives AFA tours aren't necessarily a bad deal.
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I'm not saying it's the only method I'll use, like someone said building up a network is handy
as if someone knows someone else, etc who's single and wants to find a good man, etc.
There's other methods available, Odessa is the first stop on the AFA tour (license.com). Now it's
not got the best reputation but aside from Scammer girls that turn up there are local girls who
may become serious to the right guy. If it becomes known that you live locally then they may
view you very well.
I want to formally nominate this for the dumbest idea so far of 2022.
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Exactly, I do sometimes think time over after the experience with being shown around Kiev with the first girl that I might have then been better off going and doing an AFA tour. They get a bit of a bad rep from some guys and I don't blame them but like you say FT that you get a lit of women in a room, can weight them up there and then and get a choice out if a lit of women isn't a bad thing. Trying to pluck one out at a time and hope there is chemistry is kind of long winded, if the guy looks like Brad Pitt maybe less so. I kind of think that apart from the negatives AFA tours aren't necessarily a bad deal.
Trench you are far too cheap to pay AFA tour fees. You stupidly avoid Russia because they have a visa that
costs money, yet you are trying to make us believe that you would pay thousands to those rascals?
What's your plan? Try to figure out where/when they are holding their party and then sneak in
without paying? I think you will lose teeth trying to tag along without paying.
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Trench you are far too cheap to pay AFA tour fees. You stupidly avoid Russia because they have a visa that
costs money, yet you are trying to make us believe that you would pay thousands to those rascals?
What's your plan? Try to figure out where/when they are holding their party and then sneak in
without paying? I think you will lose teeth trying to tag along without paying.
It's not just the visa cost but the time and bother to go and get it. I have to go to one of the visa centres and the nearest one for me is London. It's not in a convenient place, time over again I would use the train, so add cost of train then underground onto the price. It's that or car journey & expensive parking but that tends to not be a fun drive, think traffic congestion, etc.
I then have to leave them with my Passport, if I want to get expedited service that costs more. I then have to either pay for the return of passport by post (more cost) and they use a crap courier, last time I had to rescue my passport myself from their local depot despite the just doing it all by computer with no local depot pick up (DX courriers if anyone was wondering). It's that or take another day out to go up and pick it up myself once they are done with it. The visa then is a real short period as well something like 30 days. You then have to tell them where you will be staying in advance when applying so you have to book without any certainty of getting the visa.
So yeah if you get over there and meet enough women from the right location odds are there may be one who is up for a relationship. They don't tend to have as much of a scam culture outside Moscow & St. Pete's so odds are probably better than Ukraine of a sincere woman but it starts getting to away from a convenient situation. Oh, flights cost more to Russia also, particularly the more further afield in Russia. It's just a whole lot more guff to it. I'm not saying I wouldn't consider it but it's an expensive journey possibly with scant reward.
Once I've done my house & rented it out I may have time to take day trips out to Visa centres but for now I've got more pressing matters.
I think in any case it kind of messes up my whole strategy. I don't really want to live out in Russia. I mean Moscow St.Pete'as and probably Sochi and maybe a few other city centres are probably nice but they will tend to cost a bit and then there is getting a visa to stay there a longer period. Some places I may not like stay. It's all a lot more complexity and possible cost to the whole idea of living abroad.
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It's not just the visa cost but the time and bother to go and get it. I have to go to one of the visa centres and the nearest one for me is London. It's not in a convenient place, time over again I would use the train, so add cost of train then underground onto the price. It's that or car journey & expensive parking but that tends to not be a fun drive, think traffic congestion, etc.
I then have to leave them with my Passport, if I want to get expedited service that costs more. I then have to either pay for the return of passport by post (more cost) and they use a crap courier, last time I had to rescue my passport myself from their local depot despite the just doing it all by computer with no local depot pick up (DX courriers if anyone was wondering). It's that or take another day out to go up and pick it up myself once they are done with it. The visa then is a real short period as well something like 30 days. You then have to tell them where you will be staying in advance when applying so you have to book without any certainty of getting the visa.
So yeah if you get over there and meet enough women from the right location odds are there may be one who is up for a relationship. They don't tend to have as much of a scam culture outside Moscow & St. Pete's so odds are probably better than Ukraine of a sincere woman but it starts getting to away from a convenient situation. Oh, flights cost more to Russia also, particularly the more further afield in Russia. It's just a whole lot more guff to it. I'm not saying I wouldn't consider it but it's an expensive journey possibly with scant reward.
Once I've done my house & rented it out I may have time to take day trips out to Visa centres but for now I've got more pressing matters.
I think in any case it kind of messes up my whole strategy. I don't really want to live out in Russia. I mean Moscow St.Pete'as and probably Sochi and maybe a few other city centres are probably nice but they will tend to cost a bit and then there is getting a visa to stay there a longer period. Some places I may not like stay. It's all a lot more complexity and possible cost to the whole idea of living abroad.
To summaries:
It costs more money to do Russia. :rolleyes:
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To summaries:
It costs more money to do Russia. :rolleyes:
That's great short paraphrasing of what I said Gaunty :D
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I'm chatting with a woman from Kyiv at the moment who on paper would be the woman of my life. I've booked a week off in June at work which I can easily change to a later date depending on Putin. Will leave flights and apartment to later on. As much as I like her I would be going with an attitude of lets have a good time and see what happens. I think you can go with too much pressure.
I thing the best thing to be is to be yourself - just don't be stingy on the way for the small things.
What website did you meet this present lady on? Is she much younger than you?
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Previously the two ladies I met in Ukraine i encountered on www.fiance.com It is a site you can pay for per month, three months or six months. After the monthly fee all letters were free. I think it has gone downhill in recent years and I stopped using it.
The first lady from Odesa was independent (no agency) so we quickly moved off site.
The second from Kherson didn't really respond in great length to letters, but was very happy to do video chat. That quickly added up and i spent a reasonable amount before i met her in her home town. Didn't work out, but she was an honest girl.
I know it breaks all the golden rules, but I decided to contact the current lady I am communicating with on a PPL site. If you put the monthly fee against PPL there isn't a huge amount in it as we have used the chat option quite a lot this last few weeks, sometimes with video, other times not.
I made a successful request to have her contact details this weekend, so now have her email and phone number. This isn't my first rodeo. I know these could go unanwered. And yes she is called Svetlana. Breaks all the golden rules. How we communicate when there is no money involved will go some way to forming my final judgement.
I am 50 and really I know I am in the last chance saloon. If it all ended today I had a blast during the chats. She has a really engaging mind - we talk about anything and everything. She is 32. Originally from Lugansk, but is an internal refugee in Kyiv. Really into the countryside - she has shared several photos of her in the mountains and lakes.
Hope to be able to go to Kyiv in July and see what happens. I haven't had a holiday without my son since January 2016, so I will treat it as such. If it goes south I know my way around Kyiv.
Personally I don't have an issue with agencies if they act as they should. We find you the girl, we get quite a bit of money from the website, from you having boots on the ground and from doing all the paperwork to get her to England. I had to pay a French lawyer a lot of money to get divorced, so why wouldnt i pay a similar amount to a Ukranian marriage agency? If they have done some of the heavy lifting I am more than happy for them to get their finders fee. I don't have the time or money to make 30 visits to Russia and Ukraine over the next decade, so if they help me sort the wheat from the chaff then good luck to them.
It is a gamble, but I rationalise that i don't play the lottery and if i played it all my life the money lost buying tickets would probably equal what I will eventually pay.
Know what you are getting into and have a back up plan. If it doesn't work out at least we tried. There will always be the Keyboard Romantic option admiring photos as i get into my dotage. There are worse things to waste your money on.
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................ The hope is though that I will go more on personal appeal and so get up girls who are naturally more interested. That way I avoid a lot of girls who are just out for their own alterior motive and aren't really into me from the get go.
98% of girls on Tinder have an ulterior motive!!
But go ahead, everything you will do in Ukraine you will pay extra for.
The only thing I agree with you is the ambiance, nice small big city......Odesa!!
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Previously the two ladies I met in Ukraine i encountered on www.fiance.com It is a site you can pay for per month, three months or six months. After the monthly fee all letters were free. I think it has gone downhill in recent years and I stopped using it.
The first lady from Odesa was independent (no agency) so we quickly moved off site.
The second from Kherson didn't really respond in great length to letters, but was very happy to do video chat. That quickly added up and i spent a reasonable amount before i met her in her home town. Didn't work out, but she was an honest girl.
I know it breaks all the golden rules, but I decided to contact the current lady I am communicating with on a PPL site. If you put the monthly fee against PPL there isn't a huge amount in it as we have used the chat option quite a lot this last few weeks, sometimes with video, other times not.
I made a successful request to have her contact details this weekend, so now have her email and phone number. This isn't my first rodeo. I know these could go unanwered. And yes she is called Svetlana. Breaks all the golden rules. How we communicate when there is no money involved will go some way to forming my final judgement.
I am 50 and really I know I am in the last chance saloon. If it all ended today I had a blast during the chats. She has a really engaging mind - we talk about anything and everything. She is 32. Originally from Lugansk, but is an internal refugee in Kyiv. Really into the countryside - she has shared several photos of her in the mountains and lakes.
Hope to be able to go to Kyiv in July and see what happens. I haven't had a holiday without my son since January 2016, so I will treat it as such. If it goes south I know my way around Kyiv.
Personally I don't have an issue with agencies if they act as they should. We find you the girl, we get quite a bit of money from the website, from you having boots on the ground and from doing all the paperwork to get her to England. I had to pay a French lawyer a lot of money to get divorced, so why wouldnt i pay a similar amount to a Ukranian marriage agency? If they have done some of the heavy lifting I am more than happy for them to get their finders fee. I don't have the time or money to make 30 visits to Russia and Ukraine over the next decade, so if they help me sort the wheat from the chaff then good luck to them.
It is a gamble, but I rationalise that i don't play the lottery and if i played it all my life the money lost buying tickets would probably equal what I will eventually pay.
Know what you are getting into and have a back up plan. If it doesn't work out at least we tried. There will always be the Keyboard Romantic option admiring photos as i get into my dotage. There are worse things to waste your money on.
Well I think regards to last chance saloon it depends what you're after Steven. If it's more kids then normally you often need a girl so young. If it's a fairly young looking woman then again it's probably around a woman in her thirties. Other than that there are always women nearer your age so I don't think it's a case of last chance in that situation. There's been guys in their early sixties on here who have met a girl in her forties or fifties so I wouldn't panic quite yet.
I have heard the occasional guy on here having used PPL and done ok, but they usually have a real shrewd way about it or got lucky. Most of the time it's not a great move and most guys that come on here saying they've used PPL get pilloried for it lol. The thing with PPL isn't really necessarily how it stacks up against pay monthly cost but that letter writing is more incentivised for the person the other end, the lady, hairy Boris, etc. Some pay monthly sites use agencies too but their letters are usually just intro letters or so to give the newbie a nice warm feeling of interest, i.e that the site hasn't been a complete waste of time joining up to. Like you found there can be done genuine women there and real relationships also.
Free sites like Fdate I find just as good, most women in their thirties onwards will be fine there but like all of them they can have ulterior motives beyond wanting to find love/a companion. It could be something quite benign as wanting to get a bit of free entertainment hanging around with a foreigner, a bit of fun, etc. While at the other end it could be to get a visa, citizenship, get in the country then trade up, gets her hands on guys wealth, etc.
Having used Fdate a while now while I think there are less scammers in the sense of women who deliberately go out to get money of a guy I think like Davo that there are a lot of women with ulterior motives there. In that way I don't think it's a lot better than the PPL or pay monthly sites, the being done over just tend to happen down the road a bit more and probably in a different way. Again there have been men who have met good women of that site and have ended up in a long term relationship, marriage etc without being done over by them.
So I wouldn't say there is an absolute best way, until recent I used to favour Fdate and I wouldn't necessarily still write it off either. While I tried PPL way back in the day briefly just to test it out on a low cost site I'm not that much of a fan of it I personally tend to avoid and haven't used one in the last decade or so.
I think it's fine to go meet the lady you've been communicating with Steven see how she is but if it goes south then maybe consider other methods of meeting a FSW. I think over time it's possible to evolve into finding better ways at meeting FSW in this game.
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98% of girls on Tinder have an ulterior motive!!
But go ahead, everything you will do in Ukraine you will pay extra for.
The only thing I agree with you is the ambiance, nice small big city......Odesa!!
Possibly, they do in the west, lol.
I decided to try it out last night, signed up for the cheapest package on Tinder but for 6 months, I can upgrade during it if needs be. I set my city to Odessa and swiped right on a load of girls for a good half hour or so I reckon just missing out a few who seemed really not my sort from the photo.
Well outcome way better than back home where I tried it a few months back and got very little interest at all. Waking up this morning I got 3 emoji responses and 8 matches on top. So not too bad, all of the girls were in their thirties. I set the age group as 18-38 just out of interest to see if any younger girls would go for me :D Not so far!
Of the women that went for me I would say they are all pretty much average everyday looking, no horror stories so far to look at but no model types either. Sone of the girls glam themselves up a little almost model style but that's about it.
So far as ulterior motives go well some have their profile written in English, even their name written in English, other girls their name is written in Russian (well I assume it's Russian). So don't know if Tinder or my mobile is converting it into English or the girls are aiming for an English guy whether locally or internationally.
Some of the women, actually quite a lot of them that I was swiping were model like on there, quite a lot posing it up if they were living the high life or from a wealthy background. Some may have put on some slap or tanning etc to look prettier so no difference to the UK there lol. So yeah I got the feeling that some of the women were almost definitely after a pretty wealthy guy.
So are these women genuine that I got up? I think as far as I can tell there are probably a few of them at least that want to find someone for a real relationship. I'm not so sure that they suit me, if I was out there I would likely meet up and see. I think some have stuff I'm not into/not my type of person and some don't look like they would go with me. Some are almost there and who knows.
I can see that the real pretty girls are after a wealthy guy by the way they try to put themselves over as wealthy, the photo background, the way they dress, the lifestyle. I think those girls and a lot of girls in their twenties on that site will likely have ulterior motives, whether it's hook up for sex with a hot guy like it is in the UK or hook up with a wealthy guy who knows. I don't think Tinder is a no go for the FSU it will likely depend on age of guy, etc. I don't see that the women I have up apart from the odd few likely have ulterior motives if anything possibly less than sites like Fdate. My guess from the current selection is maybe 40-50 percent have an ulterior motive at best and a good 50-60 percent probably don't.
On the whole I don't think Tinder is a bad option to try out there, it's useless in the UK but out there probably not bad.
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Just looked up a few more women in Tinder in Odessa some had their profile statement in Russian well not English so it's looks like some of the girls are purposefully doing their profile in English. To my mind that strikes me as the girls to avoid as they most likely have an ulterior motive for doing so, either to get an English guy abroad or to get one who is local.
Obviously the girls with their profiles in Russian my not speak good English or want a Ukrainian/Russian/local language speaker so it's all a bit so so I guess.
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I made my comment because you mixed the English translations of Russian and Ukrainian spellings.
You are completely wrong and far behind the times with respect to Official Ukrainian Government spelling of Odesa in English.
Here is from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine.
http://mfa.gov.ua/en/correctua
#CorrectUA | Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
Copied in many publications including:
http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/ukraines-foreign-affairs-ministry-issues-open-letter-on-correct-spelling-of-ukrainian-place-names/
Here is a more complete listing of cities ordered by population size.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Ukraine
Thank you Mr. Spell Checker for pointing out my how misspelled one word. Does that make you feel like a big man. Lol
Seriously pretty petty.
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Not to interfere in your p***ing match, but this is what you posted previously_
My spellings are right. Maybe you use the Russia spelling.
Ukrainian Одеса English translation Odessa
So was it a spelling error?
The Ukrainain government has asked in the past that Ukrainian transliterations, including Odesa, be used. I believe it is to distinguish themselves as an independent country. Were that position not so precarious (as history has proven), it would not be an issue.
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I'm just getting used to the new Ukrainian names for these cities. I think I might be getting to the point where changing back would be a pain. I then don't think I will know if I'm coming or going, if I'm in Ukraine, Ukraine or Russia, Ukraine.
I suppose at least the Ukrainian names aren't too dissimilar sounding or looking to the Russian versions. That kind of makes jumping over to their usage a little easier.
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I'm just getting used to the new Ukrainian names for these cities. I think I might be getting to the point where changing back would be a pain. I then don't think I will know if I'm coming or going, if I'm in Ukraine, Ukraine or Russia, Ukraine.
I suppose at least the Ukrainian names aren't too dissimilar sounding or looking to the Russian versions. That kind of makes jumping over to their usage a little easier.
Mate if you can't alternate between Kharkov and Kharkiv, Odesa and Odessa and Kyiv and Kiev, then good luck learning Ukrainian or perfecting your rudimentary Russian.
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I'm still struggling with Noviwhatchamacallit and Starrisomewheres. Deadherograd was much easier to remember and spell. :rolleyes:
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Ok, so I've reached a point on this Forum where I no longer fancy getting involved in long lengthy argument or reading members long lengthy political diatribes (mostly US politics ;) ) between each other and often off topic to the original intention of the given thread. I also have less time on my hands to post on here as my property project nears an end allowing me to focus on other aspects of my life. I've learnt a lot on here over the past few years I've been on here and it's been great hearing members views of all the topics discussed. Moving forward as such I'll be trying to keep to this thread as much as possible as my main thread and trying to avoid commenting on other threads so much to keep matters concise and efficient.
So whatever happens going forward on topics like the Invasion of Ukraine or Coronavirus, etc I'll put my position here. For the rest it will essentially be focusing on me and my progress, not just on dating but in terms of self actualisation and trying to realise my vision in life.
So I decided that this thread I've already started being the most appropriate for this. My dream of going to Odesa and meeting a hot girl still holds despite the Russian Invasion though of course I won't be going there till the war had ended. Still the forward momentum in my life and Odesa being the place to manifest my dreams in life defines Odesa as the place for me. Until then of course I will update my progress in life on here and of course discussion on any other matters.
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Ok so Odesa is still relatively unscathed and so the possibility still lies that at some point in the future I may be able to live out there as stated earlier in this thread.
So with that in mind I'm going to keep moving forward with preparations for such an event. Of recent I've decided to stick with learning Russian, I thought it through and listened to a bit of Pimsleur Ukrainian and to be honest I kind of think it would confuse my Russian learning. I think my efforts would be best spent learning one language better than learning two not so well. With that in mind I've been devoting about 15 minutes a night to learning Russian through audio learning, Pimsleur, etc. I figured this may be the way to go as it means I'm not put off by lengthy time commitments especially when tired and so can commit time more regularly. So far it's a strategy that is working quite well, I don't always get to do it every night but most nights I manage to and it's clocking up bit by bit.
Odesa of course is one of the more Russian speaking cities in Ukraine so it should be quite appropriate for that. At the moment there is no telling how the invasion of Ukraine will end but despite weapons from the west going to Ukraine I'm guessing the Russians will overpower Ukraine in the end. Mariupol unfortunately is devastated so lets hope that date is not in store for Odessa also.
Work out wise I've not done as much as I've liked. Kind of had other stuff get in the way plus also felt a slight weakness in one of my arms the past few weeks but that fortunately seems to be going now and I'm hoping to get back on track with that. The progress I made is still largely there but really want to move forward with that again soon I think.
So overall not found to bad with where I want to be with it all. The virus numbers are up way high again in the UK with the Deltacron variant. About 200 people in average a day are dying with it, apparently mostly elderly as it's been a while since they had their booster and of course the Deltacron variant can evade the vaccine more successfully. I kind of think that the loss if life to the virus now seems to almost have become normalised and the threat not recognised as it should be. We've moved to 'living with the virus' here, well the government have and to be honest I think it's a big mistake, it's kind of getting complacent and it's going to be kicking us in the rear very shortly in the coming weeks I fear.
Anyhow, that's about it so far, now that the warmer weather seems to be coming back I'll be able to move forward with more stuff, hobbies etc. I'm working on my social media pages of recent and will be continuing that. I've kind of neglected social media in the past as I kind of regarded it as a waste of time and productivity killer, which it can be. Of recent though I think it's becoming more relevant to dating FSW than it used to be, I don't really mean necessarily in terms of pulling them through social media busy in terms of seeing their lifestyle and them seeing yours and seeing if you might get in well together. So that kind of how I'm going to progress from here for the time being.
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After taking a break from it in recent weeks I have been listening again to Pimsleur Russian 4 and it confirms what I thought the first time: Don't buy it.
The first 5 lessons I almost lost count how many times they use the phrase Как лучше добраться до центра? (What's the best way to get to downtown from here?)
Now I know Pimsleur is based on repetition, but 20 times is insane, especially when you listen to the lessons more than once. As Russian goes it isn't even a difficult sentence to remember. It takes up valuable time and really feels like padding.
There is another more difficult sentence which I'm not even sure is repeated. If so only once. I feel like spending money on Pimsleur 5 would not be worth the money.
1-3 I found ok in conjunction with the various Michel Thomas courses. Don't get me started on the incompetent male student in the early MT courses ..
Compared to French I feel like an absolute beginner still. Just about have the knowledge of a twelve year old with one year study in comparison.
Personally I am going to move forward learning the 3000 most used Russian words and learn the equivalent verbs that I know in French.
It might come in handy as a tourist, hopefully it will help retain my short and long term memory, but I can't see me having deep and meaningful conversations. If I were to establish a relationship with a Russian speaking lady hopefully what I know would be seen as a sign of respect and maybe a degree of intelligence.
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After taking a break from it in recent weeks I have been listening again to Pimsleur Russian 4 and it confirms what I thought the first time: Don't buy it.
The first 5 lessons I almost lost count how many times they use the phrase Как лучше добраться до центра? (What's the best way to get to downtown from here?)
Now I know Pimsleur is based on repetition, but 20 times is insane, especially when you listen to the lessons more than once. As Russian goes it isn't even a difficult sentence to remember. It takes up valuable time and really feels like padding.
There is another more difficult sentence which I'm not even sure is repeated. If so only once. I feel like spending money on Pimsleur 5 would not be worth the money.
1-3 I found ok in conjunction with the various Michel Thomas courses. Don't get me started on the incompetent male student in the early MT courses ..
Compared to French I feel like an absolute beginner still. Just about have the knowledge of a twelve year old with one year study in comparison.
Personally I am going to move forward learning the 3000 most used Russian words and learn the equivalent verbs that I know in French.
It might come in handy as a tourist, hopefully it will help retain my short and long term memory, but I can't see me having deep and meaningful conversations. If I were to establish a relationship with a Russian speaking lady hopefully what I know would be seen as a sign of respect and maybe a degree of intelligence.
If you don't mind taking some lessons with a teacher I would advise you to make a move forward with Italki. Here you will find a bunch of teachers and tutors, and additionally, if you hire a Ukrainian one, it could help her ;D
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Communicate effectively with a woman?
Besides money?
100% of what ya wanna do is read a book called “She Comes First” The Thinking Man's Guide to Pleasuring a Woman (Kerner)
ok…
then you go the bania together NAKED (you get to covertly check out each other's "junk", BTW, try NOT to get "fully" "you know what", only about 50%*)
and then after you shower
then you look straight into her eyes and say in Russian,
“mogu ya potselovat' tebya tam vnizu” can I kiss you down there?
she’s not gonna say “nyet”, duh...
ok…
the rest is easy…
outcome is she will be cleaning and cooking for you for the next 20 years without the slightest complaint with a bright and cheery disposition, and REALLY what more could you want from a woman?
but remember, once you bring it home and start feeding it, you have to be responsible for it and its offspring!
slovo to yur mamichka!
* if you ignore the 50% rule, then you're just gonna sit there with a "flag pole" while her LEGS ARE CROSSED and you're looking at her looking at your flag pole and it starts wilting...
so seriously, stick with the 50% rule, ok?
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. . . go the bania together NAKED (you get to covertly check out each other's "junk" . . .)
Nothing covert involved when people are naked !
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and then after you shower then you look straight into her eyes and say in Russian, “mogu ya potselovat' tebya tam vnizu” can I kiss you down there?
she’s not gonna say “nyet”, duh...
ok…
the rest is easy…
outcome is she will be cleaning and cooking for you for the next 20 years without the slightest complaint with a bright and cheery disposition . . .
I strongly disagree.
Women (and I am referring to a large sample size) do not appreciate orgasms (from any source or method) nearly to the extent that men do.
Sure they have the momentary pleasure and enjoyment.
But you can help a woman achieve 5, 10, 20 or more orgasms within 1-2 hours . . . and she can still find something to argue and harass you about within about 10 minutes.
If a man were to achieve 2-3 orgasms even within 24 hours, he would be happy and appreciative for days to come. Not so with women.
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then you go the bania together NAKED (you get to covertly check out each other's "junk", BTW, try NOT to get "fully" "you know what", only about 50%*)
Men can be grouped into 'showers' and 'growers'
For men who are growers . . . a banya visit will kill any future relationship possibility with the woman . . . unless they get far above 50% pronto.
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I ALWAYS tried to steer Russian girls to the subject of Bania,
I had a “formula” for it at the Four Seasons in Moscow which had a nice rooftop bania
take girl shopping all day, then get her drunk at dinner and casually read from the Hotel Guest book, and ask her what “bania means”
when she tells you, you then beg her to go with you and then you phone in your reservation!!!
when you get there, act surprised and shocked that you have to “get nekkid” and sit naked inside on the bench while the temp is 120+ F or so….
The heat will relax your scrotum, so you do’t have any “sacck size” anxiety issues in a bania!!
but damn, it sure is fun getting up to adjust the temp and casually dangle your willy 5 feet in front of a 20-something Russian woman and watch the expression on her face!!
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After taking a break from it in recent weeks I have been listening again to Pimsleur Russian 4 and it confirms what I thought the first time: Don't buy it.
The first 5 lessons I almost lost count how many times they use the phrase Как лучше добраться до центра? (What's the best way to get to downtown from here?)
Now I know Pimsleur is based on repetition, but 20 times is insane, especially when you listen to the lessons more than once. As Russian goes it isn't even a difficult sentence to remember. It takes up valuable time and really feels like padding.
There is another more difficult sentence which I'm not even sure is repeated. If so only once. I feel like spending money on Pimsleur 5 would not be worth the money.
1-3 I found ok in conjunction with the various Michel Thomas courses. Don't get me started on the incompetent male student in the early MT courses ..
Compared to French I feel like an absolute beginner still. Just about have the knowledge of a twelve year old with one year study in comparison.
Personally I am going to move forward learning the 3000 most used Russian words and learn the equivalent verbs that I know in French.
It might come in handy as a tourist, hopefully it will help retain my short and long term memory, but I can't see me having deep and meaningful conversations. If I were to establish a relationship with a Russian speaking lady hopefully what I know would be seen as a sign of respect and maybe a degree of intelligence.
Lol, everyone says that about that guy on the Michel Thomas recording. Well I started with Michel Thomas first, went through the Basic, then Intermediate, then Advanced, I've got the whole set :D The basic is ok enough, the Intermediate is doable but the Advanced gets pretty hard I found, not quite sure if I finish that, either way I'm not sure that I took much of it in. I think I found the main problem with Michel Thomas, apart from the guy on the recording, is that while the easy Basic stuff is mostly easy to remember the rest is more difficult to recall longer term. Michel Thomas is nice in terms of pace not seemingly moving too slow or fast but with hindsight I think the Pimsleur drumming it in, in an over the top way is kind of needed for long term retention.
Pimsleur I didn't really like when I did a sample session hence why I went with Michel Thomas first. I found it slow and tedious going, it does improve once past the first track or two. Time over again I think I would choose to do Pimsleur first then Michel Thomas after as already being familiar with Russian would then suit the faster pace of Michel Thomas I think.
Thinking it through if you consider how a toddler learns the language it's probably through expose and constant repetition. So the Pimsleur method kind of goes with that its just kind of a wrench for us adults to sit there while someone is banging on with the same or similar phrase umpteen odd times. While I loved the pave of Michel Thomas my main grip was that I never really felt that I knew the language that well when over in Ukraine. I bought train tickets using it and asked where the Tube was, etc but for most stuff I felt like a lot of the learning I couldn't conjure up or even remember. It was a bit better than nothing of course but I just didn't really feel that I had much if any ability in the language.
Of course learning Russian is going to take time and it you think how much time kids probably spend learning a language its understandable that it's not going to be an overnight thing. I'm just coming up to half way through series 1 of Pimsleur, about 30 tracks in each series it seems. I can only really put up with 15 minutes a night as it does my head in with the back & forth repetition thing a bit. I'm not at all really gifted in learning languages, I found French quite hard, German a little less so but spent less time learning that at School. Russian is supposed to be one of the hardest languages to learn, it's a hard one but I think one that I feel so could potentially take to maybe.
I look going forward I will probably go through the rest of Pimsleur then go through the Intermediate & Advanced Michel Thomas ones again and see if I can retain more if that stuff. At some point I may get a tutor, quite possibly.
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Compared to Russian, French is really easy to learn. And we first studied it when our brains were most adapted to learning languages.
Learn what you can but you will never be fluent and neither will I. It's nice to be able to say a few phrases to a potential girls partner, but that's it.
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Compared to Russian, French is really easy to learn. And we first studied it when our brains were most adapted to learning languages.
Learn what you can but you will never be fluent and neither will I. It's nice to be able to say a few phrases to a potential girls partner, but that's it.
I studied French to GCSE level, German too but of course I started learning French at School when I was about 11 years old, German not until I was 13 years old. I'm guessing you started learning French about the same time to be honest I think it would have been better had they started earlier but I guess didn't want it to conflict with learning English.
I think in the main getting fluent with a language is best done while living out there. Learning from recordings or in the classroom is ok to get the basics down before you go but being out there means you can use it everyday. It's really how we learn English when we are young. That's not to say sone can't obtain fluency in the classroom but I think it's easier when out there emersed in the language.
I noticed you said you were after learning about 3,000 Russian words, I'm not sure how you are going to go about that. The first Ukrainian girl I met in Kiev from Mariupol I think I recall her saying she was tested and knew about 1,000 English words. Her English was very fluent, near perfect better than she thought it was and she understood pretty much everything I said to her. She had studied English up to Uni level alongside her actual degree so I think it's a handy example of how far the learning needs to go to get to a fluent level. Honestly her English was as good as most English people and you would hardly know she wasn't English.
English I think though is an easier language to learn than Russian, there are no genders in English apart from the gender of a species. Russian has some handy ways about it that makes it a bit easier but it's still quite a hard language I think. French got real hard I found in the final year of GCSE, it was either the masculine & feminine stuff and/or the past, present, future tense stuff - the whole world apparently completely changed in some cases and that for me made it really difficult to follow.
I think some people can really get into languages which is great for them. I myself have always struggled to obtain any grasp beyond basic, I hope to do better this time of course :D
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when you're young go live there and get a "sleeping dictionary" and you'll be fluent enough to live and work there after about a year
before the war, I would've recommended going to the Medical School in Ternopil, WHICH IS TAUGHT IN ENGLISH!!! GOOGLE IT IF YOU DO'T BELIEVE ME!
I'd live "off-campus" in my own house/apartment!
your sex life would be 10 times more than what anyone here could ever even dream of...
with women that looked like super models, who after sex, wouls stay and cook your meals for you and cleanup after!!!
DAMN!!!!
--or--
you could just stay home and watch porn, it's YOUR LIFE, YOU DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY!! I DID!!!
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So part of me has already been thinking about 'Reconstruuuksiya' after this war has all blown over, soon I hope for the sake of the poor Ukrainian people who are unjustly having misery inflicted upon them all.
For me though my skills are in the Architectural field with of course some knowledge of construction. So I figure my skills might potentially come to use in Ukraine to help with Reconstruuuksiya. Some places have obviously been affected more than others so far. Now I'm not sure how this Reconstruuuksiya will all go about the IMF have promised so much money though my guess is that might only be so if Russia doesn't succeed in its invasion. Things at the moment aren't going well for Russia so assuming that continues to be the case then possibly Ukraine might win through.
So how to go about this? Find out what Architecture companies might get the work? What companies might get the IMF money? Set up my own company and try and find investment? Or something more small scale and build up perhaps. The last option might suit me most but depends on what to do. Would be interested to hear on any idea on this?
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I studied French to GCSE level, German too but of course I started learning French at School when I was about 11 years old, German not until I was 13 years old. I'm guessing you started learning French about the same time to be honest I think it would have been better had they started earlier but I guess didn't want it to conflict with learning English.
I think in the main getting fluent with a language is best done while living out there. Learning from recordings or in the classroom is ok to get the basics down before you go but being out there means you can use it everyday. It's really how we learn English when we are young. That's not to say sone can't obtain fluency in the classroom but I think it's easier when out there emersed in the language.
I noticed you said you were after learning about 3,000 Russian words, I'm not sure how you are going to go about that. The first Ukrainian girl I met in Kiev from Mariupol I think I recall her saying she was tested and knew about 1,000 English words. Her English was very fluent, near perfect better than she thought it was and she understood pretty much everything I said to her. She had studied English up to Uni level alongside her actual degree so I think it's a handy example of how far the learning needs to go to get to a fluent level. Honestly her English was as good as most English people and you would hardly know she wasn't English.
English I think though is an easier language to learn than Russian, there are no genders in English apart from the gender of a species. Russian has some handy ways about it that makes it a bit easier but it's still quite a hard language I think. French got real hard I found in the final year of GCSE, it was either the masculine & feminine stuff and/or the past, present, future tense stuff - the whole world apparently completely changed in some cases and that for me made it really difficult to follow.
I think some people can really get into languages which is great for them. I myself have always struggled to obtain any grasp beyond basic, I hope to do better this time of course :D
This sounds about right to me:
People who know 250 to 500 words are beginners. Those who know 1,000 to 3,000 words can carry on everyday conversations. Knowing 4,000 to 10,000 words makes people advanced language users while knowing more than 10,000 words puts them at the fluent or native-speaker levels.
If the first woman you met knew 5000 words then of course she would know the first 1000.
I am 50 and I started learning French when I was 5 at a private school. When I started secondary I coasted for two years as I already knew what I was being taught. Only yesterday I learned the French word for stalemate as I watched C dans l'air on YouTube. I went half my life not knowing that, but I think it's best to focus on words you use most often.
To get anywhere in Russian you would need to dedicate one to two hours a day and stick to it. 15 minutes won't cut it. There are no short cuts to language learning.
I find masculine/feminine more challenging in Russian especially with cases, but your milage may vary.
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can I HAZ SALO?
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This sounds about right to me:
People who know 250 to 500 words are beginners. Those who know 1,000 to 3,000 words can carry on everyday conversations. Knowing 4,000 to 10,000 words makes people advanced language users while knowing more than 10,000 words puts them at the fluent or native-speaker levels.
If the first woman you met knew 5000 words then of course she would know the first 1000.
I am 50 and I started learning French when I was 5 at a private school. When I started secondary I coasted for two years as I already knew what I was being taught. Only yesterday I learned the French word for stalemate as I watched C dans l'air on YouTube. I went half my life not knowing that, but I think it's best to focus on words you use most often.
To get anywhere in Russian you would need to dedicate one to two hours a day and stick to it. 15 minutes won't cut it. There are no short cuts to language learning.
I find masculine/feminine more challenging in Russian especially with cases, but your milage may vary.
Perfective/Imperfective is a PIA also.
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Perfective/Imperfective is a PIA also.
Yeah that was a real irritation in French. I never really got what the hell they were on about, all just very odd.
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"So part of me has already been thinking about 'Reconstruuuksiya' after this war has all blown over, soon I hope for the sake of the poor Ukrainian people who are unjustly having misery inflicted upon them all."
Dewd, Nyet, forget about working for someone else
ONLY work for yourself…
let me give you a plan Stan,
when the war is over, borrow as much money as you can on your UK property and rent it out
live with yur mom temporarily or something
then take this money and go to Ukraine
and buy 3 contiguous lots of land that have utility access (water, gas, electricity, cable)
then take whatever buildings are on it and fix ‘em up
and build yur own mansion with a swimming pool right in the middle
then surround everything with Apricot trees
you can do whatever “bizness” you want here, discreetly and without ANY interference
ZERO income tax to!
I ran three different "biznezz enterprises" out of what looked like a "Hill Billy Paradise" complete with copper moonshine still
Voila! "The Rancho Del Krimster", now in Russian hands!!!
Trench all this cost me about $60,000 for 3X20 soteks plus existing "shacks" and including an old Lada and a Zhighouli!!!
also about a year of my time, "doing stuff" mainly carpentry and plumbing and electrical
I ended up with what looked like a compound of some kind, that I later put a fence around to keep people out
plus I had straight access to a 480V transformer with .02 per killowatt hr cost and a big yellow gas line for cheap gas as well
ended up digging my own deep drill well for water and solar pool heater
with 2 car garage and huge Metal Gate
and NO POLICE to bribe!!!
I think you're dead right Krim, I think working for myself is the way forward, moreso in any Reconstruuuksiya in Ukraine enterprise. If I work for others I am just going to get the dog end tasks and even if I got a good task I wouldn't share in the outcome of my labour. Better to be a man in control of your own world. It's why I converted the terrace house to get away from the world of working for an Employer, gain an independent income.
I like the plan you gave Krim, it's small but not too small, it's doable and it could have good scope depending upon desired aim. I understand out in Ukraine at least last I heard buying land to build on for foreigners was not possible just buying old buildings like you suggest and doing them up. How are things for corruption out there at the moment? Do corrupt officials still try to steal property in Ukraine?
Anyway, it's definitely something for me to ponder and think what I could do with such a setup, many thanks :)
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you need a woman to "front" for you in Ukraine
that's your first acquisition...
then buy "Dacha" land, it'll be "dirt cheap"
there will ALWAYS be corruption in Ukraine, it's just "overhead"
as long as you own Biznesses with cash flow corruption doesn't really matter, it's just malenky kartoshkie
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you need a woman to "front" for you in Ukraine
that's your first acquisition...
then buy "Dacha" land, it'll be "dirt cheap"
there will ALWAYS be corruption in Ukraine, it's just "overhead"
as long as you own Biznesses with cash flow corruption doesn't really matter, it's just malenky kartoshkie
Lol, that's a good move Krim, it's kind off a bit like I was saying earlier in this thread that once I get a girl out there then she can sort out cheaper living costs, utilities, rent, etc.
How about for women out in Dacha land, is there many of those about to fill your swimming pool with? ;D
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To get anywhere in Russian you would need to dedicate one to two hours a day and stick to it. 15 minutes won't cut it. There are no short cuts to language learning.
I think for me at least as far as Pimsleur is concerned and my short amount of free time at the moment 15 minutes is about as much as I can bear most nights. Occasionally I can do the whole half hour but that makes up for nights where I'm too tired to do 15 minutes so it averages out to 15 minutes at the moment.
After I've finished with Pimsleur and I get more free time after the house conversion is complete I'll do more time on it. Pimsleur just does my head in and when a bit tired it's hard to beat for too long. I know it's likely to go in more and I think a short bit of learning with a bit of rest in between will help drum it in a bit more rather than trying to learn too much at the beginning. Once I've done that probably gone back over Michel Thomas, found someone to converse with, etc I'll probably try and immerse myself in the language out in Ukraine and learn more that way with a bit of luck, that is if Ukraine becomes somewhere to travel to again.
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Perfective/Imperfective is a PIA also.
As long as you learn irregular verbs it's quite straightforward IMO.
Take the verb to eat - manger
Je mange - I eat
J'ai mangé - I ate
Je mangeais - I was eating
J'avais mangé - I had eaten
Je vais manger - I am going to eat
Je mangerai - I am going to eat
Je mangerais - I would eat
J'aurais mangé - I would have eaten
Those are really all the tenses you need in French. This is the pattern for all regular verbs ending in ER. As long as you know Avoir to conjugate you're sorted.
Personally where I struggle with Russian is when a word or verb has more than the average amount of syllables.
Knowing a word or a sentence by itself is fine. But to give a real world experience I recently made a short video to send to the lady I am communicating with in Kyiv. It was just three short sentences and I had to do 50 takes before I was mildly satisfied with the result.
Even then I stumbled when I said весна началась (vesna nachalas) - Spring has begun. If I tried again I would say весна пришла (vesna prishla) - Spring has arrived.
It's a much easier sentence, possibly because it rhymes, but also 'prishla' has one fewer vowels and one fewer syllables. It feels easier on the tongue for a native English speaker.
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I'm not sure learning Russian is a smart idea now..if you're looking to pull a Ukrainian woman.
From what i'm seeing and hearing on the various news channels....Sky News,BBC,CNN,Euronews...there is now a pathological hatred for anything Russian among Ukrainians now.
I've lost count of the times i've heard Ukrainians say they're NEVER going to speak Russian again..this is from the women fleeing/hiding and the men fighting.
Some Brit bloke rocking up in Ukraine and speaking Russian won't go down well there i strongly suspect...you might end up on your back with a broken nose where a Ukrainian man has hit you, or women will be saying "Why are you speaking hated Russian,why not Ukrainian " ?
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Russian is the “lingua franca” of the FSU
it gives you geographic flexibility
so if Ukraine and Russia are not on the table
well, no worries cuz ya got “the stans” Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, etc
all the ‘stans have an impoverished Russian minority, that’s “perfect picking”
poor deavotchkie diggin kartoskie in their parents dacha
would love an evening out in Tashkent
then you got the local uzbeks, etc and then “mixed race” girls
I lost track of how many of these “big bosomed” girls in tight fitting sweaters wanted to chat in English with me….
there’s all kinds of opportunities in the ‘stans
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"How about for women out in Dacha land, is there many of those about to fill your swimming pool with"
I only allowed a few local village girls access to my pool, otherwise there'd be a crowd
when you have the only pool around for many KM, word quickly spreads
if you REALLY, REALLY want a lot of "pooty tang" in the FSU
get a swimming pool, or get a boat, or BOTH
these are babe magnets in the FSU
wimmin will just walk right up to you out of nowhere, it makes each day an exciting one in the summer
cuz ya never know whatcher gonna get
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you need a woman to "front" for you in Ukraine
that's your first acquisition...
You are a very secure man (as am I). I completely trust my woman.
I don't know that Trench will ever trust a woman with his kopecks.
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there’s all kinds of opportunities in the ‘stans
+100
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Tashkent has been completely transformed from its previous neglected state
you “English speaking persons” will feel completely at home at the Radisson, Tashkent with its English speaking staff, even flush toilettes now, and not just a “dirko” in the floor!!!
and it's REALLY cheap there, Trench will LOVE IT!!!
they can fix ya right up with a car and driver (also English speakin’)
if yur just huntin pooty-tang, then it’s fine to just stay around “Tushkyent” and hunt all ya want
OTOH, you want an AMAZING adventure then head south to “Termez” which has the best “chernyy rynok” I have EVER seen, everything from emeralds from Afghanistan to AKs and even baggies of fresh raw OPIUM!!! I could spend days shopping there….
Not a bad place at all
also, virgin metal detecting country!!!
watch out for the cobras, though they're mostly up North
they are the most beautiful snake I have EVER seen, magnificent coloration
smaller than their Indian cousin
but deadly poisonous
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You are a very secure man (as am I). I completely trust my woman.
I don't know that Trench will ever trust a woman with his kopecks.
I assume the process would entail getting married first then both your name and hers goes down on the deeds to the Dacha, her name to safeguard against corruption, that and to buy property that is deemed agricultural land as I understand it.
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"How about for women out in Dacha land, is there many of those about to fill your swimming pool with"
I only allowed a few local village girls access to my pool, otherwise there'd be a crowd
when you have the only pool around for many KM, word quickly spreads
if you REALLY, REALLY want a lot of "pooty tang" in the FSU
get a swimming pool, or get a boat, or BOTH
these are babe magnets in the FSU
wimmin will just walk right up to you out of nowhere, it makes each day an exciting one in the summer
cuz ya never know whatcher gonna get
The swimming pool option sounds great Krim, but with girls coming from so far and wide didn't it bring any unwanted attention? Any attempts to swipe it from you even with a Ukrainian woman's name in the deeds? It must have stood out a fair bit out there I would have thought.
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I'm not sure learning Russian is a smart idea now..if you're looking to pull a Ukrainian woman.
From what i'm seeing and hearing on the various news channels....Sky News,BBC,CNN,Euronews...there is now a pathological hatred for anything Russian among Ukrainians now.
I've lost count of the times i've heard Ukrainians say they're NEVER going to speak Russian again..this is from the women fleeing/hiding and the men fighting.
Some Brit bloke rocking up in Ukraine and speaking Russian won't go down well there i strongly suspect...you might end up on your back with a broken nose where a Ukrainian man has hit you, or women will be saying "Why are you speaking hated Russian,why not Ukrainian " ?
I had to stop and think about it CB as those thoughts arose in my mind. In the end though I figured that Ukrainians are not going to forget how to speak Russian overnight and as a foreigner they will probably allow you some slack. Odesa at the moment is largely untouched by it all so if that remains so that may help, other places who knows.
For me while there are resources out there to learn Ukrainian it tends not to be so much, Pimsleur only does one unit on it that I can find. Add to that I would be starting at ground zero again and having to put aside much learnt in Russian and try not to confuse the two. As Krimster rightly points out Russian is a lot more universal to several countries out that direction so it gives more bang for its buck learning it. If I learn Ukrainian I'm pretty much confined to Ukraine with it. While I'm kind of set on Ukraine I think a language that is more universal will likely be handier for me.
It's looking like Russia might be on a losing one on this one with their invasion no guarantees though that it will remain so. I'm thinking it'll be down to whether they are prepared to use their more deadly missiles. Potentially this conflict could end in April or soon after if Russia fail to make headway in Donbas etc, if so while Ukrainian particularly those in Mariupol and likely Kharkiv, Kyiv, etc will hate Russians for a long time to come I'm not so sure that a month or two of war will equate to a big long term language shift, though I could be wrong of course.
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As long as you learn irregular verbs it's quite straightforward IMO.
Take the verb to eat - manger
Je mange - I eat
J'ai mangé - I ate
Je mangeais - I was eating
J'avais mangé - I had eaten
Je vais manger - I am going to eat
Je mangerai - I am going to eat
Je mangerais - I would eat
J'aurais mangé - I would have eaten
Those are really all the tenses you need in French. This is the pattern for all regular verbs ending in ER. As long as you know Avoir to conjugate you're sorted.
Personally where I struggle with Russian is when a word or verb has more than the average amount of syllables.
Knowing a word or a sentence by itself is fine. But to give a real world experience I recently made a short video to send to the lady I am communicating with in Kyiv. It was just three short sentences and I had to do 50 takes before I was mildly satisfied with the result.
Even then I stumbled when I said весна началась (vesna nachalas) - Spring has begun. If I tried again I would say весна пришла (vesna prishla) - Spring has arrived.
It's a much easier sentence, possibly because it rhymes, but also 'prishla' has one fewer vowels and one fewer syllables. It feels easier on the tongue for a native English speaker.
весна идёт
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I'm not sure learning Russian is a smart idea now..if you're looking to pull a Ukrainian woman.
From what i'm seeing and hearing on the various news channels....Sky News,BBC,CNN,Euronews...there is now a pathological hatred for anything Russian among Ukrainians now.
I've lost count of the times i've heard Ukrainians say they're NEVER going to speak Russian again..this is from the women fleeing/hiding and the men fighting.
Some Brit bloke rocking up in Ukraine and speaking Russian won't go down well there i strongly suspect...you might end up on your back with a broken nose where a Ukrainian man has hit you, or women will be saying "Why are you speaking hated Russian,why not Ukrainian " ?
The lady I am talking to is orginally from the Donbas, but was internally displaced to Kyiv. She has a pretty good level of English when we talk on Google Chat and uses primairily Russian in Ukraine. Her parents are still based in the Donbas. She uses Russian spelling for cities such as Kharkiv and Kiev.
I had a long distance relatioinship for 18 months with a lady from Odesa and I met another in Kherson. Both preferred to use Russian when we were out and about in town rather than Ukranian. Obviously before the war, but old habits die hard especially in the south and east of Ukraine.
Regarding foreigners using Russian i think there would be a difference in attitude between someone with a heavy English accent speaking Russian and a Russian speaking their native tongue,
Any Russian i would speak i would really confine to meeting her family if the occassion were to happen - i could finally say Очень приятно as a greeting.
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Obviously before the war, but old habits die hard especially in the south and east of Ukraine.
Regarding foreigners using Russian i think there would be a difference in attitude between someone with a heavy English accent speaking Russian and a Russian speaking their native tongue,
The war has changed everything.
Brits are very popular in Ukraine now,ever since we donated those 2000 anti-Tank missiles to them before the war started..it means the world to Ukrainians to see Brits turning up to fight alongside them or to help with the humanitarian disaster.
I have an acquaintance in Lviv right now,helping with the catering...and the Ukrainians love him...he can only speak English,but the locals are all making the effort to communicate with him.
He's practically had two offers of marriage in the week he's been there,but he's already married and had to tell them through clenched teeth :)
If i was you i'd stick to speaking English out there.
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Personally where I struggle with Russian is when a word or verb has more than the average amount of syllables.
Some Russian words can be a bit of a tongue twister especially if the words after are similar sounding. For me though I don't think I take too badly to it, it's kind of not rushing forward too fast with a word so as to not get in all the syllables. I think Russian may suit me more as a language than French in terms of is construction as I feel I can get with it. That said I think recalling it all will be the harder part for me. I doubt I will get it of perfect in terms of knowing/remembering the ins & outs of it all.
Funny thing is when I was very young I used to naturally roll my 'R's'. I saw a speech therapist to get me out of the habit, a habit that is now handy for learning Russian lol. I think she asked at the time if there was anyone Russian in my family, not as far as I know off.
German isn't s bad language to learn either. I found easier than French. I reckon if I had kept up with German past leaving high school I could have gotten pretty good at it. I would say German is most closest to English in its words and sounds, their apparently pretty close I believe but then we had the Saxons cone over to Britain who were essentially German so probably influence from there.
Thing I find with both French and German is that there is little call for it. Fine to know a few words when over there in holiday but unless needing it for a specific connection, etc it has pretty limited scope. Learning Russian at School would have been far more useful to me but too few Schools teach it. My thoughts would be that a general GCSE European Foreign Languages course would be best option to run. Basically the student would learn a little bit of French, German, Spanish & Russian to a very basic level in each just to kick them off in the language. Polish & Italian might also be an option within it. That way it's not saying to the kids, 'hey you can only learn French, German or Spanish but no idea on whether it will be of much use to you in the future, that's a real pig in a poke'. I think learning several languages to a very basic level would be a lot more versatile to students than trying to learn one or two to a basic or intermediate level in my opinion.
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the stereotype "fun-loving" Brit, as exemplified by "James Laurie" has ALWAYS been VERY popular in Russia and Ukraine
if you're just an "average lookin" bloke, you'll get approached by the "devs", just because of how different, "Exotic" Anglo-Saxons appear compared to the local "Men In Black"
chicks dig that!!
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весна идёт would be used if it's not quite spring - there is still snow, it's cold, but the geese are flying, and there are signs of spring.
vesna preshla means spring definitely has arrived.
Nastupyla vesna - you wake up, there's no snow, when there was the day before.
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Apokalipsis Vesna
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весна идёт would be used if it's not quite spring - there is still snow, it's cold, but the geese are flying, and there are signs of spring.
vesna preshla means spring definitely has arrived.
Nastupyla vesna - you wake up, there's no snow, when there was the day before.
Thank you. Genuinely interesting.
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Trench - Apparently Norwegian is quite easy to learn for English speakers.
You can see the German influence in English with phrases such as Guten Morgen, Ich kann nicht or Kommen sie mit mir, but against that you have the case system, subordinate clauses and compound words.
English also has a Norman French influence which you can see in a lot of similar words, even if you get the odd false friend. Le train, le centre, le cinéma, le marché etc. The French word for Great Britain literally means Greater Brittany (Grande Bretagne).
I was discussing languages with a friend who is a German translator by profession who studied French and Italian to A level standard. He agreed with my thought that learning languages is like a jigsaw puzzle. After a certain point you know more easily where each piece goes.
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Forget swimming pools, when the spring rains come, the bomb craters will fill and swimming holes will be plentiful.
You may or may not find something useful on these links:
http://languagetsar.com/differences-between-russian-belarusian-and-ukrainian-languages/
http://languagetsar.com/is-russian-hard-to-learn/
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Thank you. Much appreciated.
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A news article about Ukrainians seeking refuge in the UK:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-waiting-host-ukrainian-refugees-26661010
I've seen a few similar articles where the woman and children are accompanied by a man, often the father, here apparently a boyfriend at least that is what he is claiming to be.
Just this weekend I caught sight of what I was pretty sure was a Ukrainian couple (they were speaking Russian) and their child in a DIY store in the UK. He was wearing a camouflage jacket, not army issue more fashion style with a yellow section at the top back my guess to signify support for Ukraine, though not willing to fight for Ukraine lol.
While I would understand those not wishing to fight as their own personal choice I do wonder since it's the wish of the Ukrainian state that all men 18-60 remain to fight whether we should respect that and refuse them visas.
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A news article about Ukrainians seeking refuge in the UK:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-waiting-host-ukrainian-refugees-26661010
I've seen a few similar articles where the woman and children are accompanied by a man, often the father, here apparently a boyfriend at least that is what he is claiming to be.
Just this weekend I caught sight of what I was pretty sure was a Ukrainian couple (they were speaking Russian) and their child in a DIY store in the UK. He was wearing a camouflage jacket, not army issue more fashion style with a yellow section at the top back my guess to signify support for Ukraine, though not willing to fight for Ukraine lol.
While I would understand those not wishing to fight as their own personal choice I do wonder since it's the wish of the Ukrainian state that all men 18-60 remain to fight whether we should respect that and refuse them visas.
Does your cynicism and heartlessness have no boundaries?
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A news article about Ukrainians seeking refuge in the UK:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-waiting-host-ukrainian-refugees-26661010 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-waiting-host-ukrainian-refugees-26661010)
I've seen a few similar articles where the woman and children are accompanied by a man, often the father, here apparently a boyfriend at least that is what he is claiming to be.
Just this weekend I caught sight of what I was pretty sure was a Ukrainian couple (they were speaking Russian) and their child in a DIY store in the UK. He was wearing a camouflage jacket, not army issue more fashion style with a yellow section at the top back my guess to signify support for Ukraine, though not willing to fight for Ukraine lol.
While I would understand those not wishing to fight as their own personal choice I do wonder since it's the wish of the Ukrainian state that all men 18-60 remain to fight whether we should respect that and refuse them visas.
Men with certain health issues are exempt from being called up to fight in Ukraine,which they have to prove to the Ukrainian Border Guards before being allowed to cross over.
Ukrainian men will want to fight if they're able to..they take great pride in their country,with at least 66,000 returning from other countries to fight.
I cannot imagine the British men being so prepared to fight the Russian Military as the Ukrainians have.
Maybe because mass immigration has diluted our patriotism ?
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Some very valid reasons and legal exceptions allow some men to leave Ukraine.
Under Ukrainian law there are exceptions to the ban on men leaving the country. Male Ukrainian nationals can cross the border if they are financially supporting three or more children under the age of 18, are single fathers of children under 18, or have children or are guardians of children with disabilities.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/09/ukraine-urged-to-take-humane-approach-as-men-try-to-flee-war
By the way, Trench, have you served in the armed forces of your country? Just curious.
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Men with certain health issues are exempt from being called up to fight in Ukraine,which they have to prove to the Ukrainian Border Guards before being allowed to cross over.
Ukrainian men will want to fight if they're able to..they take great pride in their country,with at least 66,000 returning from other countries to fight.
I cannot imagine the British men being so prepared to fight the Russian Military as the Ukrainians have.
Maybe because mass immigration has diluted our patriotism ?
If anything I would say so called 'gender equality' we have prescribed here in the UK would want most men not want to fight. The women want the jobs of the guys here well they can have the job of being stuffed on the front line as cannon fodder. I'm sure they'll love it they can boast about how they are breaking into a make dominated 'profession' though I doubt they will like it going beyond standing around for the Instagram pics. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they found any and every reason to excuse themselves from serving. I myself would bugger off to another country as I think most UK men would do particularly those without family as nothing here to fight for. This though is a different society to Ukraine, in Ukraine the man lot is not under threat by greedy females, not yet at least.
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Some very valid reasons and legal exceptions allow some men to leave Ukraine.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/09/ukraine-urged-to-take-humane-approach-as-men-try-to-flee-war
By the way, Trench, have you served in the armed forces of your country? Just curious.
Ah you're wondering where General Trenchie has obtained his military genius and know how. Well I'm unfortunately unwilling to share that info it may be deemed an 'official secret' ;D
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Does your cynicism and heartlessness have no boundaries?
It just struck me as somewhat unfair and dare I say cowardly where nearly all other Ukrainian men are at the front, that is of course in a society that is still a 'Patriarchy' unlike ours. Of they have a valid medical reason then fair enough but none of the men seemed deaf or dumb, all seemed to be there and present and likely capable of military service I would say. Not a question of being heartless or cynical just a question of their society's values.
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They're are far more men registered to fight in Ukraine than there are weapons available.
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It just struck me as somewhat unfair and dare I say cowardly where nearly all other Ukrainian men are at the front, that is of course in a society that is still a 'Patriarchy' unlike ours. Of they have a valid medical reason then fair enough but none of the men seemed deaf or dumb, all seemed to be there and present and likely capable of military service I would say. Not a question of being heartless or cynical just a question of their society's values.
The only values in question are yours.
Obviously, you have served in uniform and would be amongst the first to do a runner, tail tucked up your arse, if the time ever came to answer a call to arms.
It’s a shame people like you can’t be deprived of citizenship and it given to a well deserving immigrant.
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It just struck me as somewhat unfair and dare I say cowardly where nearly all other Ukrainian men are at the front, that is of course in a society that is still a 'Patriarchy' unlike ours. Of they have a valid medical reason then fair enough but none of the men seemed deaf or dumb, all seemed to be there and present and likely capable of military service I would say. Not a question of being heartless or cynical just a question of their society's values.
I have friends there that can't serve from things like diabetes,it's not like you'd typically notice that.he needs several.shots daily.
It's also not easy to actually join right now, way more men trying to join,than they have resources to train and arm .
They cant do like Russia, and get conscripts from anywhere (but
moscow and st pete..)
Ossetians, caucus regions,chechens, syrian, and are still.particulsrly using groups Iike wagner pmc. And forced conscription out of crimea etc
Funny how Russia is fighting with people from..the.fringes eh?
Useful idiots.
The other side of this TC is its odd you'd make a judgment on those young men you saw , when you already said you'd not defend your own uk.
There is a lot wrong with the usa, but one thing is certain we will fall .from.within.
An external. military assualt and occupation here is absolutely not tenable.
I'm trying to picture a Ukraine now,with equal average citizen weaponry as in u.s.
Not one city would have fallen.
As is: realistically kherson is about it so far.
Mariupol is still street by street after being surrounded a month?
I think russian losses there are far higher than assessed.
Ukraine will likely lose a battalion.
Average defender vs offensive is 1 to 3.
So russias willingness to lose 3 battalions there is mind blowing.
I saw a bit of maruipol rt. propagsnda footage, a quarter of russian/chechen troops not even holding a weapon properly ,spray and pray.
90% of the time they are tryimg.to sweep an urban area ,they are all clustered together peeking around buildings while others stand upright aimlessly behind. The lack.of.training is mind boggling.
And thats what they are showing thier public as victorious.
It maybe just random propaganda clips but it's really telling if it's their standard tactics.
It makes me feel their loses are head and shoulders worse than what.would be typical
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The other side of this TC is its odd you'd make a judgment on those young men you saw , when you already said you'd not defend your own uk.
Not odd at all, the UK is not a Patriarchy anymore, the females want in into what was the man's domain, the workplace etc and on equal pay as men. If anything I would say that women have taken control and have a much better deal than men, so it is up to the women to defend what they have, most men here have nothing to lose. I wouldn't be willing to put my life on the line for sone woman who I know would just expect to stick around for a photoshoot for the gram then be off as that is how it would happen unless all the men buggered off. Then the women would have to do the fighting and not just photoshoot and we would see how they would like that ;D
Ukraine though is different they still preserve the man's status so fighting for what that gives the man is all part of the deal out there. I don't see that any of those men should get out with excuses, unless the medical problem is entirely debilitating they should all be at the front in my opinion.
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The only values in question are yours.
Obviously, you have served in uniform and would be amongst the first to do a runner, tail tucked up your arse, if the time ever came to answer a call to arms.
It’s a shame people like you can’t be deprived of citizenship and it given to a well deserving immigrant.
It's the society that has been created which is why I would do a runner Gaunty.
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It's the society that has been created which is why I would do a runner Gaunty.
No, it’s because you haven’t got the balls to stand up and be counted and a coward to boot.
Same reason why you can’t get a woman here, or anywhere, while you’re busy whining about how it’s not fair, how the blokes with the most money, looks, clothes, chutzpah, whatever, always get the girl when it’s only your own excuses that get you nowhere.
I live in the same society as you and I see or experience none of what you spout on here.
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It’s a shame people like you can’t be deprived of citizenship and it given to a well deserving immigrant.
Good News Today! :) Illegal Immigrants are going to be sent to Rwanda for their asylum cases to be processed. A great use of the idea of outsourcing I think. I doubt we'll get so many boating over the channel my mind tells me :D
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Good news for is Brits yesterday also the 'Nationality and Borders' bill passed on the last day of the current Parliamentary session before they break for recess. That not only gives Parliament the power to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda for their claim to be processed but a whole host of other measures designed to curb illegal entry into the UK :)
Already over the past nine days channel crossings have dropped to zero ever since the Rwanda announcement. Some say there are other reasons for this such as strong headwinds in the English channel but I am not so sure. That said I'm still not sure if it will be enough, more may be needed to be done but we'll see I guess.
Probably worth you US guys following what happens to all of this as doing similar may help sort out you're own illegal immigration problem on the US/Mexico border.
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Good news for is Brits yesterday also the 'Nationality and Borders' bill passed on the last day of the current Parliamentary session before they break for recess. That not only gives Parliament the power to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda for their claim to be processed but a whole host of other measures designed to curb illegal entry into the UK :)
Already over the past nine days channel crossings have dropped to zero ever since the Rwanda announcement. Some say there are other reasons for this such as strong headwinds in the English channel but I am not so sure. That said I'm still not sure if it will be enough, more may be needed to be done but we'll see I guess.
Probably worth you US guys following what happens to all of this as doing similar may help sort out you're own illegal immigration problem on the US/Mexico border.
We deport hundreds to thousands daily.24/7 year round.
It's not lack of legal means to do so,it's various afministrations willingness,funding,logistics,manpower etc.
You can't compare a 2000 mile earth border, and a very large ocean shorelibe (especially accessible around Florida ,parts if texas and California)
With the UKs quite sizable,but far less accessible shoreline
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We deport hundreds to thousands daily.24/7 year round.
It's not lack of legal means to do so,it's various afministrations willingness,funding,logistics,manpower etc.
You can't compare a 2000 mile earth border, and a very large ocean shorelibe (especially accessible around Florida ,parts if texas and California)
With the UKs quite sizable,but far less accessible shoreline
Yeah I can imagine it's a real pain having such an extensive border Jumper so like you say a much bigger task. I see though that the Trump Wall is still being extended this time with state governors declaring a state of emergency, etc to continue to inch the wall forward. I see that as some good news at least as I know Biden from a national level called a halt to a lot of federal funds to continue the wall. I know some have their hang ups over the wall but I think it's the first real attempt at making an effort to contain the situation otherwise it's kind of been a free for all minus the long distance & desert dangers of course.
Here I was a bit optimistic that the channel crossings have stopped. Looks like it was down to the wind/tide issues and Farage was right in that. I think our home secretary should have used the opportunity to state that any coming in would be in due course sent to Rwanda as an attempt to stamp it our there. Apparently, we'll be ready to send them to Rwanda within about the next couple of weeks. Legal challenges are being lodged but hopefully it looks like the government intend to press on anyway and I don't think they'll get anywhere with their legal challenges mainly from (illegal) migrant rights groups.
I personally think the government need to target new crossings for the Rwanda flights to try and stop new entrants.
Here is an article about one illegal migrant currently in the UK. He has been told he is due to be deported and he's not happy about it, lol:
http://news.sky.com/story/i-will-kill-myself-before-im-sent-to-rwanda-says-channel-migrant-12616567
Personally I think the guy has a damn cheek, sone of them really are so arrogant, they break the law by illegally entering the UK then start banging on about their 'rights'. Hopefully, this they'll be shown they can't just force themselves into a country illegally to please themselves.
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So just thought I would do a quick update on my situation at present as it's been a while. Looks like the house conversion I will finish mostly around the end of July, with possibly a few light tasks left over to do. That should be ok for letting the couple of rooms out to students in September. Time over again I would have done such a full on conversion and just partitioned off the room that was there. That would have been a quick task but would have left tiny bedrooms with just enough space for a bed and not a lot else. That tends to be a sight more often seen in the UK these days. The downside for me though is that those rooms would only collect about half the rent I am now likely to get and would be a kind of depressing state of affairs. That I wouldn't feel too great about as it's not the sort of thing I would like others to endure. The conversion is starting to look really good and will add a fair amount of value to the house although it's taken a long while which has been a pain. However the long term rental prospects should be good I reckon I will be able to get approximately £866 out of renting out the two rooms, so approximately £10,392 per year. So over time the long route around will pay back for me I think.
So that will provide me with a good base income to work off. Theoretically it means I will be able to chuck my job in, in due course, a few very small debts that could be paid off more quickly if I keep it on a bit longer so may do that, with inflation at 9 percent though that means that will at least whittle away the real term value of what I owe, so I may just hold some money back just in case in saving to pay it with and not worry about it too much.
Odesa is of course a bit up in the air with the war still ongoing at present, no real telling how long that will go on for. For the moment though I kind of feel I need a break from it all, from work, from the building work, etc. Work I'll have to keep on until assured of getting rental income in and finances ok. For the moment though I feel I can really do with getting away somewhere even if just for a week or so, somewhere where I can get to date women that haven't been brought up in the feminazi west with ridiculous expectations of what they want in a guy.
So kind of still up in the air where I could go. I know someone said Serbia, so maybe,its outside the EU so a plus there. Romania & Bulgaria maybe, they are in the EU but can't no longer get into the UK ;D Turkey maybe another possibility as real cheap there as their currency tanked it, etc. Somewhere nice and warm appeals, I would prefer Ukrainian girls but not sure if there is a simple answer on that one at present. Don't tend to like a women with too much of a tan so not sure about Turkey, Romania & Bulgaria. Just really need a change in the not too far off future, even just a holiday for that change I'm thinking.
On top of the rental income I think I could probably do with supplementing it with something just to top it up a bit if possible. Some other form of independent income so I'm not tied down to being one place would really be what I would be looking for. The rental income in the short term provides a good opportunity to get away from being tied down to an Employer and proper time to develop other forms of income. I think that in the long term will free me up for finding a good woman and the lifestyle I'm after.
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Thinking also possibly Moldova, some Ukrainian women taking refuge there as well. Still interested in Ukraine but I know it would be a pain on the border crossing and likely would have to go in as an Aid Worker or similar with a war still in progress. Western Ukraine in theory shouldn't be too bad but no guarantees of course so until the war is over would tend to be more fuss than I would like so just see how it goes I guess.
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Thinking also possibly Moldova, some Ukrainian women taking refuge there as well. Still interested in Ukraine but I know it would be a pain on the border crossing and likely would have to go in as an Aid Worker or similar with a war still in progress. Western Ukraine in theory shouldn't be too bad but no guarantees of course so until the war is over would tend to be more fuss than I would like so just see how it goes I guess.
Lots of UKR women refugees now in the UK, TC. You don’t have to go far to find them. How about placing an ad in your local rag?
‘Trendy middle aged single bloke looking for relationship with UKR woman. Must be in her 20’s, slim, blond model looking and partial to wearing dresses and short skirts. Non ambitious, unqualified female preferred as working options limited to shop assistant or other menial minimum wage job. Accommodation provided in exchange for sex, cooking, cleaning and more sex. Must be able to provide own clothes, cosmetics and self maintenance. Basic Food will be provided’.
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Good News Today! :) Illegal Immigrants are going to be sent to Rwanda for their asylum cases to be processed. A great use of the idea of outsourcing I think. I doubt we'll get so many boating over the channel my mind tells me :D
Is that what you read in The Sun?
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Lots of UKR women refugees now in the UK, TC. You don’t have to go far to find them. How about placing an ad in your local rag?
‘Trendy middle aged single bloke looking for relationship with UKR woman. Must be in her 20’s, slim, blond model looking and partial to wearing dresses and short skirts. Non ambitious, unqualified female preferred as working options limited to shop assistant or other menial minimum wage job. Accommodation provided in exchange for sex, cooking, cleaning and more sex. Must be able to provide own clothes, cosmetics and self maintenance. Basic Food will be provided’.
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Lol, about right on the as there Gaunty :D I'm not sure where to find them, tinder would pull up all the UK girls so would be like finding a needle in a haystack. Seriously though I think problem is once here the more attractive ones will be inundated by guys, the ugly ones not so of course. If there was one I took on under the Ukrainian homes scheme and she was up for it, it could be a goer but that would be entirely down to chance and so probably unlikely. Like said I'm generally happy enough going abroad as I can now bring them up easy enough out there so can meet many in a relatively short space of time, UK not likely the selection available and if housing a girl too likely some feminist will start up if I get cosy with a girl :-\
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£10,392* a year, to live on and thinking of leaving your job with energy prices doubling and food prices going up 10-20%.
I'm starting to see where your never give up optimism comes from.
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£10,392* a year, to live on and thinking of leaving your job with energy prices doubling and food prices going up 10-20%.
I'm starting to see where your never give up optimism comes from.
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Trench isn’t one to let hard facts colour his fantasies. :devil:
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£10,392* a year, to live on and thinking of leaving your job with energy prices doubling and food prices going up 10-20%.
I'm starting to see where your never give up optimism comes from.
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I know, I get the point I had thought of it, ideally if I could drop down in hours at work I could get the whole lot tax free between the rent a room allowance and my personal tax allowance or keep my present hours and just pay a bit more tax on either. Either way that wouldn't be a bad income, if I drop work and just live of the above from renting out the rooms then that's less money than I presently make at work. I could take in a Ukrainian for another £350 a month for a year but I want to be sure if the ins & outs on that plus that then takes up all rooms in the house so unless I live in a shed out back I won't have much scope to live their for a year if I needed to.
So my main thought was that I can go on and on working in my present job, it's an easy enough number most of the time, but I'm really just eeking out a life there. In fact it's not really a life its really just a job that brings in some money without too much effort. While that's not always an easy thing to find I kind of feel I would be sitting out life there watching it go by if I continued with it a whole lot longer. It kind of ties me to being in the same place on a regular basis aside from holidays, not a job that can be done WFH as a physical presence is needed.
If I give up my job it gives me greater ability, time, to spend on creating another form of independent income, quite what that will be I'll have to find out along the way. I have a few ideas but I'm not like Krimster who seems pretty adept at hitting on new forms of income and independent living. I don't think I have those natural skills for generating income of my own back and not a great deal of experience at it. Yet I think it's something I need to try and do to get any place in life. The £10k rental income will be fine to get going with, I don't have a big outlay ATM so it'll be enough to be able to give the job the heave ho. Single people on benefit live off £320 or so a month (on top of housing benefit) so I should be able to make do on what will likely be more than double that in the short term while I find something else to top my income up with.
At the moment I haven't seen food prices rise too badly despite the headlines though that may of course change. Petrol prices have of course gone up a lot despite the gov taking some tax of they have continued to rise a bit (currently around £1.62 - 1.68 or more per litre depending on where you go). My car though is small and economical and without the extra driving shouldn't be too much of an issue. Energy prices mostly electricity is likely to be the biggest issue so I will have to see how best I can manage that, mostly that will be on the house and where I'm living, possibly prices in general though I think cheap imports from China will keep prices down a lot on that.
So overall it's not a bad way forward I think, I drop a bit of income in the short term but it opens up the possibility of greater earnings potential in the long term and fully independent income not tied to a place of work. End of the day I feel I could go on and on trying to build up more money before letting my job go but at my stage in life I'm not getting any younger so it's pretty much now or never I think.
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I know, I get the point I had thought of it, ideally if I could drop down in hours at work I could get the whole lot tax free between the rent a room allowance and my personal tax allowance or keep my present hours and just pay a bit more tax on either. Either way that wouldn't be a bad income, if I drop work and just live of the above from renting out the rooms then that's less money than I presently make at work. I could take in a Ukrainian for another £350 a month for a year but I want to be sure if the ins & outs on that plus that then takes up all rooms in the house so unless I live in a shed out back I won't have much scope to live their for a year if I needed to.
So my main thought was that I can go on and on working in my present job, it's an easy enough number most of the time, but I'm really just eeking out a life there. In fact it's not really a life its really just a job that brings in some money without too much effort. While that's not always an easy thing to find I kind of feel I would be sitting out life there watching it go by if I continued with it a whole lot longer. It kind of ties me to being in the same place on a regular basis aside from holidays, not a job that can be done WFH as a physical presence is needed.
If I give up my job it gives me greater ability, time, to spend on creating another form of independent income, quite what that will be I'll have to find out along the way. I have a few ideas but I'm not like Krimster who seems pretty adept at hitting on new forms of income and independent living. I don't think I have those natural skills for generating income of my own back and not a great deal of experience at it. Yet I think it's something I need to try and do to get any place in life. The £10k rental income will be fine to get going with, I don't have a big outlay ATM so it'll be enough to be able to give the job the heave ho. Single people on benefit live off £320 or so a month (on top of housing benefit) so I should be able to make do on what will likely be more than double that in the short term while I find something else to top my income up with.
At the moment I haven't seen food prices rise too badly despite the headlines though that may of course change. Petrol prices have of course gone up a lot despite the gov taking some tax of they have continued to rise a bit (currently around £1.62 - 1.68 or more per litre depending on where you go). My car though is small and economical and without the extra driving shouldn't be too much of an issue. Energy prices mostly electricity is likely to be the biggest issue so I will have to see how best I can manage that, mostly that will be on the house and where I'm living, possibly prices in general though I think cheap imports from China will keep prices down a lot on that.
So overall it's not a bad way forward I think, I drop a bit of income in the short term but it opens up the possibility of greater earnings potential in the long term and fully independent income not tied to a place of work. End of the day I feel I could go on and on trying to build up more money before letting my job go but at my stage in life I'm not getting any younger so it's pretty much now or never I think.
Who said Trench doesn’t have ambition? His aspiration is to live of the equivalent of what someone on benefits gets.
I see you still haven’t finished doing up your house. How many years have you been waffling on about this fantastic income you’re going to get from letting rooms?
Yet to see a penny of it, never mind that exotic lifestyle off the back of it.
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Who said Trench doesn’t have ambition? His aspiration is to live of the equivalent of what someone on benefits gets.
I see you still haven’t finished doing up your house. How many years have you been waffling on about this fantastic income you’re going to get from letting rooms?
Yet to see a penny of it, never mind that exotic lifestyle off the back of it.
Lol, well the house I had to build a small extension on the back, just under 3 meters so as to avoid planning but also that was all that was needed and easiest in terms of land space at the back of my house. I completed that just before winter kicked in last year which was good. I spent all spring and summer working weekends doing the block work then the flat roof, it's quite a fair bit of work involved as although a small extension doing a cavity wall takes time. So I've just got to finish off inside it and doing other finishing work inside the house and all set. I estimate roughly by the end of July.
The main thing here is that the income generated will allow me to chuck in my job and hence in turn give me better opportunity to seek out other independent income methods and go anywhere and meet women :D There are some jobs out there that are advertised not just as WFH but also as work anywhere jobs now. The downsides is that they tend to be popular choices and they are likely of course to monopolise my time as if I was going to work in the workplace anyway. I've got a few ideas to try out to garner some extra income, and I know Krim offered a few good ideas in the past. It doesn't have to be a lot of money just a top up off the rental income. Taking in a Ukrainian girl is still one that I very well may do, that will take my income just over £14k so about the same as my present wages so it's really one to think about.
I kind of would like to help Ukrainian refugees though I know a few of them won't be genuine and just using the situation to be out for what they can get. Mostly they seem to be single girls and often want places in London as of course the best wages are there. Where I am, well it's not far from Cardiff but it's not such a magnet for such ambition. It would of course be a single Ukrainian girl I would take in as I would only have a single room. She might as well be hot looking as that way even if she is not into me and goes for some other guy at least it improves the gene pool ;D Seriously though hot or not it would really be the money that I would be interested in up to her to do as she pleases as far as I'm concerned. She gets the place rent free for a year so it would be a win on her side also.
Ordinarily I would have some concern if taking on a Ukrainian refugee would take a job away from a local youngster needing to get on, moreso in London I think. At the moment though we seem to have an ongoing labour shortage in the country so it's perhaps not so much of an issue, so I can probably put my concerns in that one to one side. During Furlough many took the opportunity to start up businesses and some were successful often as a result of putting the time and effort they would have spent at work into a business that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to spend. Furlough payments were a bit less than regular salary in the the majority of cases so it probably wasn't so much the money that they were ploughing into it by the looks of things. Some businesses took off and some didn't of course, could be luck of the draw or some having a better take on what would work etc. It gives me cause fir optimism though that I may stumble upon a good little earner if I try a few things out.
For the moment though I am looking forward to finally finishing off the house. It's starting to look good and I think will give me a good long time income I can (hopefully) rely upon and almost be a bit like early retirement lol :)
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So more or less decided recently that I will probably go for Moldova this Summer and check things out there. Might as well be the capital, Chisinau as I can get a direct flight there pretty cheap with Wizz Air. Possibly I'm guessing they might be using aircraft that they were using to fly to Ukraine. I had also considered Turkey as their currency is in the toilet so great value for the GBP. However, flight costs tend to be a little more and although I would love to check out Istanbul and not just the airport I'm not convinced the at Turkish girls would be the sort of girl I seek, I'm thinking Moldovan/FSW more closely fit the bill. That said of course if I meet a decent Ukrainian woman in Moldova then that's all good, hopefully. Istanbul may be a tourist visit along the way somewhere.
So Moldova will at least be a fresh break, a new city I haven't been to before, a currency I haven't used before and a population that tend to speak their version of Romanian though also know Russian. Again I will approach this somewhat like my Odessa plan, I will tell the girls I plan to live out there - in reality that will depend on how I find the place, but as so long as I find it bearable to hang around I can split my time between there and the UK. My guess at the moment this will probably be happening around August time when I will have hopefully finished the house off. So for the moment that is my focus and will just have to see if I can make my way forward from there.
Odesa & Ukraine will just have to see how long the war will go on for, it might still be a while. While it doesn't look like Odesa is in any immediate danger it will just be awkward trying to cross the border by train needless to say of the added journey time also.
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Trench,
the problem you have isn't about LOCATION!
it's about YOU!
women have meaured you, and you've been found WANTING!!
changing location won't effect their perception of you, these things are "kinda" universal
YOU need to change that!
unless you address this issue,
then the next pickup hot spot you'll switch to will be the streets of Calcutta
looking for homeless women using squat toilettes in an alleyway
NOT that their's ANYTHING wrong with that, to each their own, etc, etc....
I can just hear your well practiced pickup line:
"hi - I'm from the Midlands, would you like to go out for a meal at McDonald's?"
Trench, DO NOT TOUCH THEIR RIGHT HAND - AT ALL - EVER!
YA HEAR ME?
major Hepatitis issue
get vaccinated first!
left-handed handjobs ONLY!!!
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Trench,
the problem you have isn't about LOCATION!
it's about YOU!
women have meaured you, and you've been found WANTING!!
changing location won't effect their perception of you, these things are "kinda" universal
YOU need to change that!
unless you address this issue,
then the next pickup hot spot you'll switch to will be the streets of Calcutta
looking for homeless women using squat toilettes in an alleyway
NOT that their's ANYTHING wrong with that, to each their own, etc, etc....
I can just hear your well practiced pickup line:
"hi - I'm from the Midlands, would you like to go out for a meal at McDonald's?"
Trench, DO NOT TOUCH THEIR RIGHT HAND - AT ALL - EVER!
YA HEAR ME?
major Hepatitis issue
get vaccinated first!
left-handed handjobs ONLY!!!
I agree there is probably some truth in what you say Krim. Admittedly it's not all women that would not take me on there are some but they tend to be the ones I would not be that keen on, I'm a kind of go for what you want or not at all kind of guy. I'm not the kind of guy to pick up any girl just to have a hole to put it in and breasts to fondle, I really only feel that I can go for a girl where I have some genuine interest in her.
So I wouldn't say I'm without scoring some points on the scale but yeah I could do better. I really am working towards that and without trying to sound like a cracked record once I've finished the house I'll have more quality time to devote to that. So I think I am making progress, I realize better what I need to do now.
I think one of the biggest things I have realized of late is that of needing to come across better in terms of Charisma to people, especially women. One thing I think I have overlooked for a long time is Charisma and in fact had no idea of how to go about sorting that out. A few months back on here we were discussing how women love confident guys (not that I am unconfident but I know I'm not the greatest socially) and someone suggested door to door sales, think it was CB but 2tallbill also had a bit to say on the subject. So they suggested door to door sales to improve social skills, etc. I always wondered why people did door to door as the thought of it never really grabbed me. However after they discussed it I could see why and it became of interest and something I intended to do.
Since then I have been turning it over in my mind, I know Bill said he had gotten the idea of how to go about talking to the potential customer after so many doors in. I looked up online about it and there were a few ideas suggested about how to go about it. However, I think the realization dawned on me just recently that in order to get a sale (and some people rely on that for their wages) the guy is going to really have to come across well to the potential customer in terms of Charisma. That they are going to have to come across warmly to the customer and make that customer feel good and do that from the get go. That Charisma I think is something I am lacking, sure I can talk to people and have a nice enough conversation but really socking the ball out of the court I think is something I don't do but I think some of course can. Sometimes I think you can see it with some guys from countries where they are poor and they probably had to sell stuff to tourists to make a living, as children growing up.
I think here the most uncharismatic tend to work (but not always) in stuff like IT, tech industries, science stuff, stuff where it's a boring mundane matter of fact kind of sphere of influence. The occasional guy may of course have charisma but those industries king of get known for characters that don't. So yeah, I think I kind of could really raise my game if I got more Charismatic. I that I have the option of knocking on door to door till I get it (hopefully) or/and get some kind of mentor to show me a few pointers to aid me on the way in that. If possible that may not be a bad idea for me as I think I might fail for quite some time at door to door before (if ever) I make some kind of progress as I'm not always the best on that sort of front I you know what I'm mean.
So yeah it's something I've got to turn over in my mind and think of how to approach it.
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Dan, any chance of lifting the restrictions on my account? I intend to visit Moldova fairly soon and it would help the conversation flow with members here to keep them updated.
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I agree there is probably some truth in what you say Krim. Admittedly it's not all women that would not take me on there are some but they tend to be the ones I would not be that keen on, I'm a kind of go for what you want or not at all kind of guy. I'm not the kind of guy to pick up any girl just to have a hole to put it in and breasts to fondle, I really only feel that I can go for a girl where I have some genuine interest in her.
So I wouldn't say I'm without scoring some points on the scale but yeah I could do better. I really am working towards that and without trying to sound like a cracked record once I've finished the house I'll have more quality time to devote to that. So I think I am making progress, I realize better what I need to do now.
I think one of the biggest things I have realized of late is that of needing to come across better in terms of Charisma to people, especially women. One thing I think I have overlooked for a long time is Charisma and in fact had no idea of how to go about sorting that out. A few months back on here we were discussing how women love confident guys (not that I am unconfident but I know I'm not the greatest socially) and someone suggested door to door sales, think it was CB but 2tallbill also had a bit to say on the subject. So they suggested door to door sales to improve social skills, etc. I always wondered why people did door to door as the thought of it never really grabbed me. However after they discussed it I could see why and it became of interest and something I intended to do.
Since then I have been turning it over in my mind, I know Bill said he had gotten the idea of how to go about talking to the potential customer after so many doors in. I looked up online about it and there were a few ideas suggested about how to go about it. However, I think the realization dawned on me just recently that in order to get a sale (and some people rely on that for their wages) the guy is going to really have to come across well to the potential customer in terms of Charisma. That they are going to have to come across warmly to the customer and make that customer feel good and do that from the get go. That Charisma I think is something I am lacking, sure I can talk to people and have a nice enough conversation but really socking the ball out of the court I think is something I don't do but I think some of course can. Sometimes I think you can see it with some guys from countries where they are poor and they probably had to sell stuff to tourists to make a living, as children growing up.
I think here the most uncharismatic tend to work (but not always) in stuff like IT, tech industries, science stuff, stuff where it's a boring mundane matter of fact kind of sphere of influence. The occasional guy may of course have charisma but those industries king of get known for characters that don't. So yeah, I think I kind of could really raise my game if I got more Charismatic. I that I have the option of knocking on door to door till I get it (hopefully) or/and get some kind of mentor to show me a few pointers to aid me on the way in that. If possible that may not be a bad idea for me as I think I might fail for quite some time at door to door before (if ever) I make some kind of progress as I'm not always the best on that sort of front I you know what I'm mean.
So yeah it's something I've got to turn over in my mind and think of how to approach it.
Getting customers for the local Milkman is a good way to go door to door canvassing ,especially now that people are aware of the environmental damage plastic does.
They'll like the idea of glass milk bottles again.
Go to your local Dairy depot and ask them if they'd like more customers .
If it's Dairy Crest don't bother as they're tied up with a national canvassing outfit who'll pay you peanuts after they've taken their cut out of your earnings whilst they're sat on their backsides in their office...you're paying for them and their offices.
I made serious money canvassing for the Co-op and then when Dairy Crest took them over where i live..but i left when they let a national canvassing company take over the canvassing and i could see my money would drop drastically for doing the same work.
Of all the sales work i've done getting customers for the local milkmen was by far the easiest plus a lot of fun with the ladies...i did it for nine years.
I'd get invited to parties and all-sorts by some of the hottest women imaginable.
When i knocked on people's doors i'd say "Hello..just a quick call about milk "
The women in particular would often smile/giggle and say "Milk " ?
They're not expecting it because they're used to boring stuff like Charities,Energy or Home improvement canvassers pestering them and trying to twist their arms...so straight away they're more relaxed when you say you're calling about Milk.
Then i'd go into my little spiel about the Milkman which would normally get them giggling even more ; ))
"Will you be my milkman " ? was a common line i'd get EVERY day.
If i fancied her i'd say " Would you like me to be " ? with a big smile on my face.
"Well yeah ..that's why i'm going to have my milk delivered " would be the usual response ..with an equally big smile on her face.
So i'd say "Well no i'm not actually a milkman as much as i'd love to be your personal milkman BUT how about i give you a call and we can go for a night out somewhere " ?
You don't even have to ask for her number because she's already given it to you when she agreed to have her milk delivered.
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SO THIS is your problem Trench!!!
This is a major "LORDHELPUS"!!
“there are some but they tend to be the ones I would not be that keen on”
you’re reluctant to have sex with the girls who might be willing to have sex with you
in favor of ones who won’t have sex with you!
sounds like A PERFECT WAY TO NOT HAVE SEX!!!
glad that it’s working out for you so well, me bruv...
WTF?
Are you mad?
Look, turn off the fookin lights and pretend she’s THE HOTTEST WOMAN EVAH!
Give her an orgasm, however you want…
and then tell her to go and getcha some tea and lunch
WTF is wrong with you English guys?
No wonder when my father was in Britain in WWII, he was getting HUGE attention from the local wimmin….
Cuz you guys ain’t got “no flow” with the ladies...
PS, I can say this and "get away with it" becuz me mum was born in Lancashire
so it's kinda like a black guy sayin the "N-word"" to another black guy...
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SO THIS is your problem Trench!!!
This is a major "LORDHELPUS"!!
“there are some but they tend to be the ones I would not be that keen on”
you’re reluctant to have sex with the girls who might be willing to have sex with you
in favor of ones who won’t have sex with you!
sounds like A PERFECT WAY TO NOT HAVE SEX!!!
glad that it’s working out for you so well, me bruv...
WTF?
Are you mad?
Look, turn off the fookin lights and pretend she’s THE HOTTEST WOMAN EVAH!
Give her an orgasm, however you want…
and then tell her to go and getcha some tea and lunch
WTF is wrong with you English guys?
No wonder when my father was in Britain in WWII, he was getting HUGE attention from the local wimmin….
Cuz you guys ain’t got “no flow” with the ladies...
PS, I can say this and "get away with it" becuz me mum was born in Lancashire
so it's kinda like a black guy sayin the "N-word"" to another black guy...
A lot of squadies in the UK have a similar mentality to just go with whatever has female sex organs no matter in what state. I just can't bring myself to that I wouldn't feel right and would rather forgo the sex as strange as that may sound to you Krim. I guess I've always felt a strong pull to the more pretty tarty sort of girl it's what does it for me. I don't think I could reconcile my imagination with reality of getting with a girl who I wouldn't find bangable in decent daylight. Just the way I'm geared I guess but I like what I like. Not long now and I'll finally be able to rent out the room in my house, about a month or so of work left. I'm kind of real looking forward to it as it means I will shortly after be able to chuck in work and move on. It means I'll have a lot more time on my hands to devote to working out, learning Russian better and spending time abroad looking for a woman. On top of the rental income from my house it will give me the opportunity to seek out other means of income which should hopefully mean that I'll be able to avoid working for an Employer again, that for me should (hopefully) be a great position to be in :)
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Getting customers for the local Milkman is a good way to go door to door canvassing ,especially now that people are aware of the environmental damage plastic does.
They'll like the idea of glass milk bottles again.
Go to your local Dairy depot and ask them if they'd like more customers .
If it's Dairy Crest don't bother as they're tied up with a national canvassing outfit who'll pay you peanuts after they've taken their cut out of your earnings whilst they're sat on their backsides in their office...you're paying for them and their offices.
I made serious money canvassing for the Co-op and then when Dairy Crest took them over where i live..but i left when they let a national canvassing company take over the canvassing and i could see my money would drop drastically for doing the same work.
Of all the sales work i've done getting customers for the local milkmen was by far the easiest plus a lot of fun with the ladies...i did it for nine years.
I'd get invited to parties and all-sorts by some of the hottest women imaginable.
When i knocked on people's doors i'd say "Hello..just a quick call about milk "
The women in particular would often smile/giggle and say "Milk " ?
They're not expecting it because they're used to boring stuff like Charities,Energy or Home improvement canvassers pestering them and trying to twist their arms...so straight away they're more relaxed when you say you're calling about Milk.
Then i'd go into my little spiel about the Milkman which would normally get them giggling even more ; ))
"Will you be my milkman " ? was a common line i'd get EVERY day.
If i fancied her i'd say " Would you like me to be " ? with a big smile on my face.
"Well yeah ..that's why i'm going to have my milk delivered " would be the usual response ..with an equally big smile on her face.
So i'd say "Well no i'm not actually a milkman as much as i'd love to be your personal milkman BUT how about i give you a call and we can go for a night out somewhere " ?
You don't even have to ask for her number because she's already given it to you when she agreed to have her milk delivered.
Thanks CB, interesting to see how it works. I would literally have had no to little idea door to door. It's not my natural terrain as I've worked the past almost 15 years (this September) in the same industry. So spending a bit of time in another industry briefly where I might pick up some other skills might be useful to me. Like said above in general I'm eager to give being an Employee the heave ho as soon as it becomes possible. I've got a small amount of debt to clear so may be best off keeping the job on for another month or two in tandem with the rental income to get that paid off. So hopefully exciting times :)
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Trench,
yeah, soldiers are pragmatic, above all else...
this is known as “opportunistic sex”
it happens without you even planning on it
vrs some kind of idealized sex, that you haven’t and CAN’T obtain
seriously, you never “played doctor” with all the little girls when you were little?
Oh MAN!!!
I saw SO MUCH pooty tang back then!!
this is kinda how ya play it…
inspire curiosity
be willing to “accidentally” stand naked before her…
and because I was REAL GOOD at figuring out “how to make a woman COME HARD!
I had these women all wrapped around my little finger the very first time I gave them an orgasm, which wasn’t the finger I used to help give it to them
can you see the difference in our dating styles Trench?
oh and I had a boat AND a swimming pool, both of which are MAJOR babe magnets!
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I agree with Trench about only having sex with women one finds attractive.
If i don't fancy her then it ain't happening.
Plenty of men think differently than me though...i see the women they're walking around with...yikes !
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So more or less decided recently that I will probably go for Moldova this Summer and check things out there. Might as well be the capital, Chisinau as I can get a direct flight there pretty cheap with Wizz Air. Possibly I'm guessing they might be using aircraft that they were using to fly to Ukraine. I had also considered Turkey as their currency is in the toilet so great value for the GBP. However, flight costs tend to be a little more and although I would love to check out Istanbul and not just the airport I'm not convinced the at Turkish girls would be the sort of girl I seek, I'm thinking Moldovan/FSW more closely fit the bill. That said of course if I meet a decent Ukrainian woman in Moldova then that's all good, hopefully. Istanbul may be a tourist visit along the way somewhere.
So Moldova will at least be a fresh break, a new city I haven't been to before, a currency I haven't used before and a population that tend to speak their version of Romanian though also know Russian. Again I will approach this somewhat like my Odessa plan, I will tell the girls I plan to live out there - in reality that will depend on how I find the place, but as so long as I find it bearable to hang around I can split my time between there and the UK. My guess at the moment this will probably be happening around August time when I will have hopefully finished the house off. So for the moment that is my focus and will just have to see if I can make my way forward from there.
Odesa & Ukraine will just have to see how long the war will go on for, it might still be a while. While it doesn't look like Odesa is in any immediate danger it will just be awkward trying to cross the border by train needless to say of the added journey time also.
I have a good friend married and living in Chisinau, if you need assistance. he is a Brit.
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I agree with Trench about only having sex with women one finds attractive.
If i don't fancy her then it ain't happening.
Plenty of men think differently than me though...i see the women they're walking around with...yikes !
Depends on the guy's hormone level or whatever.
Many of you have probably heard of or experienced the following, which I certainly did myself as a 17-21 year old boy/man in US Navy.
Go into bar with your gang on 2nd night in port where you all got laid first night.
You all look around and say, "Wow none of these gals are attractive, so I am just going to drink some and head back the ship."
X number of beers in, some guys start saying, "Now look at that one gal, she is not that bad looking."
X more beers and guys start saying: "There seem to be some pretty good looking gals in here now.
Result: Most of us get laid second night in port. Repeat for next several days.
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You can do things to the less attractive girls RIGHT AWAY, compared to waiting for the super models to feel comfortable doing it
In my 30s I was REALLY attracted to average looking women with dark hair, big sad looking dark eyes, and a HUGE bust size
BIG plus, if they had very light colored skin and high cheekbones and a positive attitude
why?
Cuz I liked to “titty-phuque” these girls
so what if they weren’t REAL pretty, just average...
I didn’t have to look at ‘em eye to eye
it didn’t matter one bit
cuz I was titty-phuquing them….
And I could decide which ones were allowed to stay over (based on how cool they were)
or makeup an excuse for them to leave!
I took this and improved upon it in Ukraine
my first trip to Ukraine left me “shocked”
cuz women were FLIRTING with me CONSTANTLY
it was QUICK AND EASY to pickup a woman you met ANYWHERE in Ukraine
by 3rd date, their underwear comes off, and you can “check out her junk”
and then you can do the same and show yours
see how easy this is, and JUST like playing doctor!
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I agree with Trench about only having sex with women one finds attractive.
If i don't fancy her then it ain't happening.
Plenty of men think differently than me though...i see the women they're walking around with...yikes !
Lol, yeah CB I'm the same sometimes I just look at the women sone guts are knocking up and I think, 'OMG you're not doing that, Oh, your ARE doing that!'
It just kind of horrifies me sometimes what some man will go with and do. Some of the women I see in one way or another look truly horrific. I don't expect every girl to look like a model or nicely turned out but it just shocks me how a guy can fail to see a woman (if it can be determined to be a woman) being way too rough.
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Ok so thanks for the comments above guys some interesting stuff in there. Moldova for me is looking a sound enough bet at the moment, they have a visa free regime like Ukraine (up to 90 days) and Wizz Air go there so likely cheap enough flights.
Did see news article today that both Moldova & Ukraine are after Candidate Status to join the EU and it's up for discussion this week for the EU to decide. That is not great but even if they are given candidate status it is likely to be years if ever before they join. Ursula has already just told Ukraine they are too corrupt lol. I think Moldova might stand more chance as their economy is not as bad as Ukraine and not under invasion but I don't think they will want Moldova to trump Ukraine with getting in plus there is the breakaway Russian region right next to it.
Personally I really do think that Ukraine should re-evaluate whether joining the EU is a good idea. Ukraine had a fairly similar deal with the EU as we have in the UK now. Apart from some extra money and 'possibly' mutual defense agreement or similar I think that Ukraine would be giving up a lot of sovereignty something they are fighting for so dearly now and suffering such a heavy price. While in theory Ukraine can leave the EU whenever they want I think they would find themselves cowed by economic dominance of the EU once in the EU especially as a poorer economy to most other member states. I think Ukraine would be better of sticking with its strong voice to remain Independent that it has found against the Russian Invasion. Here in the UK we too have found a strong voice to be Independent as a strength of recent I think it is fair to say. I think if Ukraine looked at matters starkly they would see that the UK along with the US have given most in terms of military aid and assistance while the EU's efforts have been somewhat wanting, were it not for a few of its individual member states offerings I don't think the EU would have been seen to have done much at all.
So yeah, I'm kind of hoping long term the EU doesn't taker over Moldova & Ukraine, I'm not sure if the EU will have the money to for a while. In any case though Moldova looks a good enough bet for the short term and to be honest as far as FSU states go probably the most convenient & credible choice. Hopefully not too much longer now before I can book a trip out there, Summer time would be nice I guess :)
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You guys are “DOING SEX” in Ukraine completely wrong!
Please let me explain,
THE GIRLS YOU WANT are the ones with the slightly above average face, but with the KILLER body!
You don’t face any resistance to sex from them AT ALL, in FACT, THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM MORE THAN YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM!!!!
so you’re gonna have sex with them!!!
the difference is, HOW you have sex with them
instead of standard missionary position sex and a cigarette after
you can do “other things”
some pretty wild stuff, but I don’t want to offend the multitude of Trump voters here (all good god fearin’ people!) with any mention of anything too graphic
but let’s just say that in Ukraine, I entered new sexual territory with women, about “what” goes “where”
I made these wimmin cry out, they came so hard!
And I did the most perverted things to them I could imagine, and they’d be smiling when I did it
you guys sit home, watch porn and masturbate
so PLEASE….
PS, I liked Moldova, and I would have no problem crossing from Moldova to Ukraine by hired car
did it once, a long time ago with my father-in-law
you could use this approach to go to Odesa, it let's you avoid airports and rail stations
but it would be EXPENSIVE for you Trench
better for you to just checkout Kishinev which isn't a bad place to visit
you'll find Moldovan easier to learn than Russian as well
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You guys are “DOING SEX” in Ukraine completely wrong!
Please let me explain,
THE GIRLS YOU WANT are the ones with the slightly above average face, but with the KILLER body!
You don’t face any resistance to sex from them AT ALL, in FACT, THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM MORE THAN YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM!!!!
so you’re gonna have sex with them!!!
the difference is, HOW you have sex with them
instead of standard missionary position sex and a cigarette after
you can do “other things”
some pretty wild stuff, but I don’t want to offend the multitude of Trump voters here (all good god fearin’ people!) with any mention of anything too graphic
but let’s just say that in Ukraine, I entered new sexual territory with women, about “what” goes “where”
I made these wimmin cry out, they came so hard!
And I did the most perverted things to them I could imagine, and they’d be smiling when I did it
you guys sit home, watch porn and masturbate
so PLEASE….
PS, I liked Moldova, and I would have no problem crossing from Moldova to Ukraine by hired car
did it once, a long time ago with my father-in-law
you could use this approach to go to Odesa, it let's you avoid airports and rail stations
but it would be EXPENSIVE for you Trench
better for you to just checkout Kishinev which isn't a bad place to visit
you'll find Moldovan easier to learn than Russian as well
Thanks for the advice on Moldova Krim I much appreciate it. Yeah I'll try to learn a few words of Romanian for Moldova and see how I get on with it. I think even if I just learn the basics of 'hello', 'goodbye', 'thank you', etc it will help me feel a bit more at ease and familiar.
I know what you mean with the women, sure a girl whose hot looking facially does it for me as she no doubt does many a guy - and therein can lie the problem that she is in demand by many a guy. I've got to say that I have always liked a woman with a nice big pair of boobs, I don't mean ridiculous large but just a bit larger than average is nice, kind of makes you feel like you are with a proper woman. So just got to get out there and go fish and see what I can get up. Really would like to be there yesterday like but until I'm done here in the house conversion (hopefully not more than a couple of months now) then it would kind of just be messing up the run of things.
Anyhow, I think a bit of Romanian learning for tonight!