Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Questions to Russian Ladies / Спросите Русских Женщин => Topic started by: Gator on April 25, 2007, 09:00:32 AM
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I received this mystery photo in my email from someone who did not identify themselves.
They stated that it was taken while writing a post to RWD.
Are Elen and Kvina in the photo? Who are the other two? Are they ladies from Antidate?
Please help. I would like to know.
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Gator,
LOL, no,,, that's just what RWs look like without their makeup on.
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Gator, I have met Elen and Kvinna, they are not in that photo. Elen and Kvinna are much younger and prettier.
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Jack, thank you. I felt the same in my imagination about Elen and Kvinna, so I am happy you confirmed it.
So the mystery remains unsolved. They sure do have a nice laptop computer.
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Perhaps they are the female version of "Fat Yuri"? That smokin' hot model you've been writing to who loves you and has a friend at the travel agency that can get her a visa if only you'll send $1500.00 quickly! ::)
Ken
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They sure do have a nice laptop computer.
The laptop is just a cover for the big stick between her legs (no pun intended ;)).
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Gator, I have met Elen and Kvinna, they are not in that photo. Elen and Kvinna are much younger and prettier.
The one with the Laptop is not Elen......
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Guys,
i don't think this thread looks good and I am sad to see it here. Irrespective of the behaviour of some women members, the thread looks offensive to Elen and Kvinna.
No complaints came to me so far, and I will think what I can do with this senseless topic.
If only the appearance would adequately reflect the essence.
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Lily,
You are being overly sensitive, and perhaps a little anti-male. Things like this have occasionally occurred on the boards for at least the past couple of years that I've been reading them. I've read every post here and see nothing but a little good-natured ribbing. And then, if I were to compare it to the pages and pages of venom and outright ill-will I've seen kvinna and elen spew, it truly becomes a non-event at that point.
You are slightly out of line young moderator.
Sohkay
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1) You are being overly sensitive, and perhaps a little anti-male...
2) And then, if I were to compare it to the pages and pages of venom and outright ill-will I've seen kvinna and elen spew, it truly becomes a non-event at that point.
3) You are slightly out of line young moderator.
1) anti-male ? Are you jooking... it remember one of my colored worker... when i give him work, he complain that i give him work more difficult that other because he is black... of course, he find that all work are difficult... From the begin, never Lily have show a anti-male behaviour...
2) It is not a excuse... if you find these two ladies be bad, by acting like them, you reach the same level... so, you are not better that other...
3) Moderator is always right... the only one who can comment is the Administrator... if you are not happy of Lily like moderator, send you complain to Dan... It is you who is out of line !
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Lily,
You are the moderator and I will agree, without protest, with what you decide.
It was intended as an attempt at sarcastic humor and I think every American man will see it that way. The photo just struck me as very hilarious in light of some recent discussions.
It was not intended to be insulting. In fact, no sane American (if there are any) would think that these are the ladies at Anti-date. And have you seen some of those wacky avatars at Anti-date?! The above photo of babushkas with a laptop is mild by comparison.
Humor does not always travel across the gap between our two cultures. Perhaps this thread can be made more beneficial by discussing that point and using this photo as one example of where Western men (Americans in particular) have a different sense of humor than RW.
I am really busy for the next few days, so I can not contribute any more examples (besides I have done enough harm today). Suffice it to say that my ex- had a great SOH, and I consider myself the same. Yet, we did not always laugh together. She frequently would say, "Is this suppose to be an American joke; for sure it is not a Russian joke."
Another point, Russians have an expression something like "In every joke there is some truth". That would suggest that Russians are more sensitive. In America, men pepper their conversations with sarcasm. American women do not unless they are trying to be one of the guys. Psychologists say that men do this because of their fear of intimacy and expressing fondness, and use sarcasm as a surrogate - "I love you so much that I can laugh when you make fun of me."
Again, I am okay with your decision. I apologize if I have insulted someone.
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Lily,
You are the moderator and I will agree, without protest, with what you decide.
It was intended as an attempt at sarcastic humor and I think every American man will see it that way. The photo just struck me as very hilarious in light of some recent discussions.
Absolutely ... this is a way we joke with each other, and even with our women sometimes.. I thought it was funny anyway...
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This shows who is actually answering your e-mails when you think it's some hot Russian chick with a sexy profile. It's called augmenting a meager pension.
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Lily,
I fully agree with Gator's assessment of this thread. Some humor, some sarcasm, and some truth. No disrespect was intended in the posts that I can see.
Ken
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Wonder since when and in what society making personal ( as names were mentioned) jokes about women's appearance and ages was showing a respect ? Especially in cases when you are not familiar enough with those women and did not too much efforts in your past to show friendly attitude to them to be such sure your jokes with doubtful intentions would be taken in right way?
PS I;m not going to make claims here to moderators I just not going to post here in that female's reservation organised with don't know what intention
But I do have one "demand" to moderator - don't delete this thread Let it be here like an example of what American males ( exactly that generalisation) think like appropriated things
BTW Gator
When you think that you maybe insult someone PERSONALLY you should not make apologies to "someone" or to moderator but PERSONALLY to those whose names you used such clumsy for you silly jokes.
Wonder again are any ethicet rules which are universal all round the world applied to Americans and are they all the same ( judging by this tread ) or it's only this particular forum where such kind of jokes pop time after time as well as argument "you're just old Babushka" is the last lovely agreement in males' discussion here when they have a luck of something better?
I 'm not going to post that in Russian to bring my point because gentlemen here are not able make transaltion well and I would be accused in "aggressive" behaviour in any way either they got a meaning of Russian sentences or they dropped 50% of words and got nothing.
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Lily,
I fully agree with Gator's assessment of this thread. Some humor, some sarcasm, and some truth. No disrespect was intended in the posts that I can see.
Ken
I'm ready with open mind to see your explanation what exactly were humore here, what exactly were sarcasm and the most interesting part what exactly were truth
Hope you would find a time to clarify that ( as Gator "suddenly" became too busy to do that ::) )
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Don't send Gator to the Gulag at antidate. I think he prefers to be hogtied and beat with an ugly stick. Some men like that kind of punishment. ;)
For the record, I've never met Elen or seen her photos but somebody who has met her said she's HOT looking. She is not a babushka in the photo.
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if you find these two ladies be bad, by acting like them, you reach the same level... so, you are not better that other...
Thank you Bruno. The only thing I disagree with you is that the moderator is always right. No she isn't. I didn't meant this particular thread, though.
I realize the issue about the sense of humor and this is about different mentalities.
What made me particular sad is the suggestion of being ill-willed connected with old age and bad appearance. Moreover, the thread is posted at the Ladies Board, therefore is meant to be seen by women mostly. I don't think I would post anything like that if this thread was placed somewhere else, say, in Odds and Ends.
Elen, thanks for posting, and I am very sorry.
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I'm ready with open mind to see your explanation what exactly were humore here, what exactly were sarcasm and the most interesting part what exactly were truth
Hope you would find a time to clarify that ( as Gator "suddenly" became too busy to do that ::) )
Yes guys, can someone elaborate on this please? Thank you.
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It's not about different metalities at all It;s about good manneras and personal attitude to those " who we don't like"
Before somebody tell " you are the same, Elen" I offer that "somebody" to find any one my PERSONAL joke of such a kind
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Yes guys, can someone elaborate on this please? Thank you.
The difference - I think it's a saying in Russia that every joke has an element of truth. But that's not always true for us. What makes this funny is that there is obviously zero element of truth. It's a different style of humor. The next phase in the 'joke' would be for Ellen or Kvinna to post a picture of "Gator" and then someone else, etc etc, and we all get a good laugh from "ribbing" or "roasting" each other.. I've been "roasted" this way many times by females at work, or on different boards. I can't imagine any offense was actually intended.
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It's not about different metalities at all It;s about good manneras and personal attitude to those " who we don't like"
Thats kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, don't ya' think?
You may not post a sarcastic cartoon or joke but you for sure attack men on this board & others with your twisted sense of logic. Argueing with you is like trying to teach a pig to sing, it only frustrates you & irritates the pig!
Russians for most part will never get our humor. I have tried & they just don't get it. They prefer slapstick comedy & that seems to be the basis of most of the humour I have seen in Russia. Anything more complicated seems not to fly at all. They just don't get it & take it as a personal insult. Sarcastic humor is particularly elusive to them, I have found, which even my wife doesn't understand most times until I sit & explain it to her.
Its acultural thing & if it can't be veiwed in that lite, oh well. ::)
Maybe 500 years of beating the people down in this country has destroyed their sense of humor. ???
Unfortunate as life is too short not to laugh ;D even at ourselves & our own shortcomings! ;D
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As nobody here post such pics and make such fun about their own girls or about women they like then intention of such jokes is rather clear All your excuses is only lame excuses Nothing more
But never mind ::) I don;t count at any apologises from such kind nation like Americans ( anyway they would be just their famous hypocrisy I just made a not in my long term memory ::) that's all
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Maybe 500 years of beating the people down in this country has destroyed their sense of humor. ???
Agree, but rather influenced than destroyed. Humor is the thing that can hardly be measured at the good-bad scale.
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Thats kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, don't ya' think?
You may not post a sarcastic cartoon or joke but you for sure attack men on this board & others with your twisted sense of logic. Argueing with you is like trying to teach a pig to sing, it only frustrates you & irritates the pig!
Russians for most part will never get our humor. I have tried & they just don't get it. They prefer slapstick comedy & that seems to be the basis of most of the humour I have seen in Russia. Anything more complicated seems not to fly at all. They just don't get it & take it as a personal insult. Sarcastic humor is particularly elusive to them, I have found, which even my wife doesn't understand most times until I sit & explain it to her.
Its acultural thing & if it can't be veiwed in that lite, oh well. ::)
Maybe 500 years of beating the people down in this country has destroyed their sense of humor. ???
Unfortunate as life is too short not to laugh ;D even at ourselves & our own shortcomings! ;D
I offered to find even one moy PERSONAL joke of such a kind You failed one more time But your post perfectly proved what exactly were an intention of this thread. But like I said never mind. I'm off from this reservation which for sure is more close to ghetto and leave you in a peace here to have your fun.
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Agree, but rather influenced than destroyed. Humor is the thing that can hardly be measured at the good-bad scale.
Oh now we are turing silly american joke into claiming that Russians had "wrong" sence of humore because of their history Fine Ok nothing to do for me here for sure with my humore. Good luck for you Lily ion your getto You will be rather good полицай or староста if you wish here ;) ;D ( explain your western friends which flauts of Russian history influenced my this joke because they hardly would get what I was going to say)
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Ladies, I am too tired to explain sarcasm, irony, satire, and lampoon to a level that you deserve I am already in a hole and will not dig deeper.
Such jokes are funny if they insult the strong such as our President Bush. They are not funny if they insult the weak, particularly if the insult is false, and especially so if malicious.
I am busy tomorrow so you have a free hand to ridicule me to your heart’s desire. Just try to put it in some true context (e. g., photoshop my head onto an old goat).
I meant no malice. Nevertheless, I apologize to Kvinna and Elen since your names are mentioned in my first post and I feel your hurt. If you read it again you will note that I did not say you were in the photo - I only asked, which I admit can be considered a suggestion.
If you do accept the apology, please use this as a teaching opportunity to explain to us ignorant men what is acceptable humor in Russia. We do need to take the high road, not just here but in most of the interactions that became too caustic after a recent event.
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I'm going to have to side with the ladies on this one. That would be funny if it were guys but I can't see it being funny when referring to RW. We are lucky to have some opinionated devil's advocate RWs around here to keep us in line. but that's just IMXO.
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I'm going to have to side with the ladies on this one. That would be funny if it were guys but I can't see it being funny when referring to RW. We are lucky to have some opinionated devil's advocate RWs around here to keep us in line. but that's just IMXO.
I don't agree with you and Gator went to pains to explain and apologised......what more?
When in Rome do as the Romans do, comes to mind and also we must not forget certain cutting remarks, non stop sarcasm, ridicule and certain actions towards male members.
If you cannot bear the Heat get out of the kitchen ....... and all of us understood the humour behind that post. Why is it only us who have to try understand them and not be reciprocated?
PS: Sorry Lily but a small little joke gone out of all proportions.
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Yeah mate naah...
I think some people are trying to get a little milage out of this. Gator has apologised - what more is he supposed to do? Submit to public humiliation by being listed at AD for not respecting RW?
I thought it was pretty funny but privately acknowledged the criticism of the joke early on.
I think if someone wants to make a big deal out of it they will... Sheeesh... it's hardly the worst thing I've seen in here.
Elen and Kvinna seem to be able to give as good as they get - but I rarely see any humour in their posts.
If they were offended they've been given an apology... If they choose not to accept the apology it's up to them.
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Oh dear Gator DKMM WIz and all relax take it easy la la la la
humour is humour I can be all those babushkas all together I do not care, the only thing I do not know if I am able to live that long, and if I manage to live that long I think I wont be able to look like they are looking, might look even worse really with so much stress in this life, I am not surprising about anything:)
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My secretary told me an Russian antidote about the courtship of Russian women today & I thought I would share it just to add a little fuel to the fire.
There is a Russian saying that I won't begin to write in Russian but roughly translated says - A Russian woman can make any man a millionaire after marriage, so long as he was a billionaire before the marriage!
Don't know about you but I thought that was TFF! ;D ;D
Personally that could apply to most women anywhere in my opinion! ;)
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This thread does show some differences in American vs. Russian humor. I know I can watch Russian comedy programs and my wife will be rolling on the floor and I will be sitting there without a clue, even though I could understand the words. Sarcastic humor is definitely something that most Russians don't seem to appreciate. I know if someone had posted a picture of some old fart on a laptop and suggested it was me, I probably would said they had the wrong photo and posted one much worse. I think Americans are more williing to poke fun at themselves as individuals as well as recognize sarcastic humor toward us without being offended. I am speaking in generalizations because I have known some Americans who get offended by the slightest mention of them in any negative light, even if only in jest, and some Russians who can use sarcastic humor with the best of them, but this thread has identified a few people here who don't appreciate American sarcastic humor directed at them or their country, so I think it best to avoid it with them.
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Повторяю для американских тупиц, которые претендуют на юмористов - сарказм по поводу возраста и внешности мало знакомой вам женщины не приемлем в России ( и я подозреваю в Америке тоже.)
В следующий раз, если у кого возникнет недержание юмора, используйте для его демонстрации собственных подружек и жен почетных местных членов - бабушек среди них предостаточно для этих целей.
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For those of you who don't know the word тупиц, it translates to numbskulls, so the woman who protests so much about name calling by others needs to do some introspection.
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This thread does show some differences in American vs. Russian humor. I know I can watch Russian comedy programs and my wife will be rolling on the floor and I will be sitting there without a clue, even though I could understand the words. Sarcastic humor is definitely something that most Russians don't seem to appreciate...
Agreed. The problem with this thread is, regardless of what anyone thinks about Elen, (and it should be obvious from my posts around the board, I like her a lot), she is a woman with feelings, and this thread hurt her. That should be obvious from her responses. We can blast her all day long about her opinions of America, or some of the other things she says and she takes the heat of the kitchen just fine, and returns it just as hot.
But this joke, whether we think the RW should understand our humor, really did step over the line because it was a joke which hurt someone, intentionally or not. It's not being PC, or other such garbage, it's simply human decency to avoid such situations. Name calling such as "old babushka" is simply uncalled for, has zero intrinsic value, and as is lowering one's self to throwing an emotional punch into the stomach of a lady and shouldn't be tolerated by any of us.
I didn't quite get the problem with this joke at first, but Lily did, and pointed it out immediately, Bruno as well.
Elen, I'm sorry I took part in this thread. We had begun to get to know each other, and I am sure when you saw me saw me defending this thread, it must have felt a bit of a betrayal. I hope we will continue to get to know each other because I enjoy our exchanges and you bring a unique and lively perspective to this board and I am glad you're here.
Dave
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It was sarcasm but not name calling ::) you should learn to understand it and not take offences about it :P
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Speaking of humor, I wonder if the native Russians / Ukrainians on this board have seen "The Three Stooges" and if they find them funny? By the way what do you Russian women find funny? By the way, my wife can not wait until I bring the video "Boarat" home - she very much wants to see it, though I am not sure if she will find it funny or not.
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For the record, I never said gator's apology wasn't enough. He handled it just fine. I guess I was just thinking the joke wasn't a good idea since the middle aged RW on here are obviously so very sensitive about being referred to as babushkas. Elen's responses are amusing though.
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Well you neither can make jokes nor you can properly make apologies
I explained you what was wrong with Gator's first attempt His second attempt was not needed already because too many words have been said for protection of his action and blaming the other side to believe that he and others got what was wrong. And if you ( in general) didn't get anything then your apologies are just your "false American smile" which has little value in Russia
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Well you neither can make jokes nor you can properly make apologies
I explained you what was wrong with Gator's first attempt His second attempt was not needed already because too many words have been said for protection of his action and blaming the other side to believe that he and others got what was wrong. And if you ( in general) didn't get anything then your apologies are just your "false American smile" which has little value in Russia
Elen,
Too many words.
Too little understanding.
Are you deeply hurt or offended?
If so - what do you want done?
- Dan
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I want that you wold understand why I was offended But there is still LITTLE understanding So I want nothing
PS No. I do want. MOVE THIS THREAD BACK Let RW who are going to participate your board SEE what it is.
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I want that you wold understand why I was offended But there is still LITTLE understanding So I want nothing
PS No. I do want. MOVE THIS THREAD BACK Let RW who are going to participate your board SEE what it is.
Elen,
I will ask Lily how she feels about moving the thread back to the Ladies Forum - although I fail to see how that has ANY significance at this time.
You have had numerous guys come on to state that they understand your offense - AND - more importantly, they made the effort to try to explain a different (maybe cultural) point of view.
The guys here did, in fact, try to reach out to you Elen - and it is sad that you either fail to see it, or refuse to accept it.
Elen, there comes a point when people have to move on.
- Dan
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Why is it only Lily's opinion should be taken into consideration if it was not "her" problem?
Guys tryed to help in not that derection ( though it was nice to see their attempts) But it was not an issue about different cultures and different understanding of sarcasm . I see it was like purposely made action from Gator ( which he of course refused to addmit and which little males addmited as well.
I do can move on. (Yeah One more MY fault. Wonder what could be in different way if I used that offer to claim in private to moderator I guess nothing It would be the same - you Elen got everything in wrong way so nothing moderators could do about your such "stupidity" )
But as actually it s YOU who got nothing the same would be repeated in future one more times and reservation for RW at your board would be a need forever.
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Why is it only Lily's opinion should be taken into consideration if it was not "her" problem?
Guys tryed to help in not that derection ( though it was nice to see their attempts) But it was not an issue about different cultures and different understanding of sarcasm . I see it was like purposely made action from Gator ( which he of course refused to addmit and which little males addmited as well.
I do can move on. (Year one more MY fault ) But I bet you got nothing, here would be repeated in future one more times and reservation for RW at your board would be a need for forever
Elen,
You were provided a clear and distinct apology. For you to fail to acknowledge that is extremely ungracious. Are you really so ungracious that you cannot accept an apology?
- Dan
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I explained you what I saw wrong with those apologises Should I repeat you?
First variant was not made in proper way. Second variant would be normal if it was made without all those "IF they "feel they were insulted" and all those "explanations" what;'s wrong with Russian that they can't get sarcasm posted latter which were attempts to prove me it was I who was wrong ( you still continue to do that so it's hard for me to believe that YOU yourself REALLY understood that Gator made something wrong)
So next time such behaviour would not be cut off by you without "debates" which makes all your offers to make claims to moderators a vain possability.
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I explained you what I saw wrong with those apologises Should I repeat you?
First variant was not made in proper way. Second variant would be normal if it was made without all those "if" and all those "explanation" posted latter which were attempts to prove me it was I who was wrong ( you still continue to do that so it's hard for me to believe that YOU yourself REALLY understood that Gator made something wrong)
So next time such behaviour would not be cut off by you without "debates" which makes all your offers to make claims to moderators vain possability.
So what you are saying Elen - is that an apology is not sufficient. Instead, the person must follow YOUR rules for issuance of an apology - and if it does not meet your standard, then it is not accepted.
I will say it again - I find this attitude incredibly ungracious.
- Dan
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So what you are saying Elen - is that an apology is not sufficient. Instead, the person must follow YOUR rules for issuance of an apology - and if it does not meet your standard, then it is not accepted.
I will say it again - I find this attitude incredibly ungracious.
- Dan
it is none of your business to accuse Elen.She can take this appologize or not.She explained very clear.
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So what you are saying Elen - is that an apology is not sufficient. Instead, the person must follow YOUR rules for issuance of an apology - and if it does not meet your standard, then it is not accepted.
I will say it again - I find this attitude incredibly ungracious.
- Dan
You see if I was insulted then it should be MY rules for apologises.
( if you don't wish to know what would be my rules for apologises it mean only one thing - you don't care about my feeling at all So all apologies are only for yourself . In this case keep those apologies for yourself because I have no need in them. )
As for my "rules" then they are not such hard and are not such off of common sense
First of all it should be UNDERSTANDING that I WAS insulted ( so no IFs )
Secondary it should be made to ME personally ( but not to administration of board as if the main concern of poster was "spoiling somebodies' board")
And thirdly there should not be continuing attempts to prove me I was wrong AFTER apologies have been made ( or it makes those apologises look like just PC( PR) action which I don;t need at all because I'm Russian and could live without western "false smiles" )
And actually I really should not waste time here in vain attempts to teach you how to behave. Let you apply you western gracious manners to your own women and deal latter with their reaction.
Good luck for everybody. Let life teach you in its hard way.
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it is none of your business to occuse Elen.She can take this appologize or not.She expleined very clear.
Sure - she can choose to reject an apology - an act which demonstrates a great deal about her character.
And I am entitled to express my reaction to her choices.
I find her unwillingness to accept a sincere apology as extremely ungracious. I find her argumentative and negative response to all this to be intentionally-divisive and insincere.
Elen - just as you Sofia - is welcome to be a productive member of the community - but if the participation becomes one of disruption - that is trollish behavior and it will not be tolerated.
- Dan
- Dan
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What;'s my "tampon" darrling which you have such interest in?
Elen,
be careful with a word "darling". ;) The most of WM can be very aggressive after this word. The best to say "not darling"
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Elen,
be careful with THE word "darling". ;) The most of WM can be very aggressive after this word. The best to say "not darling"
And of course you are an expert in the use of that word………LOL :blowkiss:
Sorry but you have to be fluent in the English language to understand when, how and where is used and the real meaning in the context is used!
For example I say: Elen darling I love you and leave you!
Before Alison explained to you what exactly means this expression you always understood…… I was in love with Elen and she was my darling……..but all I simply said to her is:
Elen my dear friend is been nice talking to you and now I must go as I have something to do!
BTW the use of the expression “None of your business or Not your business” is very rude and aggressive and not many people on the board will show you the tolerance shown by Dan!
Please take the above as a friendly advice and not as an offence.
Scottin
Didn’t the same situation happened also last year?
Do you think it may be PMT? ……… LOL
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What's "PMT"? Explain me please in clear and easy language as I see you are big specialist in this issue
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BTW the use of the expression “None of your business or Not your business” is very rude and aggressive and not many people on the board will show you the tolerance shown by Dan!
OHH!! I can see you are able to understand when somebody wants to show rudeness.
When WM shoes his rudeness it is OK. But when you will receive a rudeness back ...OH!!! no...it is not right.
I hope I can remind it was me who tried to protects all of us from rudeness. If somebody could not understand I should show similar rudeness in exact example.Now I hope it is clear that everybody is able to be rude if he hear rudeness.But we must keep some common rule - NO AGGRESSION and NO RUDENESS.
I think we all have the possibility to say ...sorry, friend, I find your words very rude to me. And we must accept that without any critisism because it is very sensitive and subjective impression.We must respect ( or to show a respect) each other despite of different opinions here.
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OHH!! I can see you are able to understand when somebody wants to show rudeness.
When WM shoes his rudeness it is OK. But when you will receive a rudeness back ...OH!!! no...it is not right.
I hope I can remind it was me who tried to protects all of us from rudeness. If somebody could not understand I should show similar rudeness in exact example.Now I hope it is clear that everybody is able to be rude if he hear rudeness.But we must keep some common rule - NO AGGRESSION and NO RUDENESS.
I think we all have the possibility to say ...sorry, friend, I find your words very rude to me. And we must accept that without any critisism because it is very sensitive and subjective impression.We must respect ( or to show a respect) each other despite of different opinions here.
May I remind you that it was me who teach you and helped you to improve your pigeon English to your current level, so don't try to teach me how to “suck eggs”! The pupil can not be better than the teacher!
I agree with you that is not necessary to use rudeness and aggression on the board and of course you can retaliate.
Has it occur to you that YOU ARE maybe the reason for such actions of other members on the board when they are feeling very frustrated by your tactics, NO TO ANSER A STRAIGHT QUESTION WITH A STRAIGHT ANSWER, ScottinCrimea told you that and many others, or they were ignored and YOU avoided to reply and come back to them with another question?
Mirror to Bruno today
I apologize for that. Yes, I have this habit. :)
Mirror would say SORRY?
That is an insincere statement from you and a change in your attitude or tactics and an admission that I never ever seen or heard before.
Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind!
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What's "PMT"? Explain me please in clear and easy language as I see you are big specialist in this issue
Many Doctors on the board why don't you ask them....LOL
In my Book: PMT stands for Painfull Mental Torture..... that we get from you!..LOL
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Many Doctors on the board why don't you ask them....LOL
In my Book: PMT stnads for Painfull Mental Torture..... that we get from you!..LOL
Because it was YOUR argument So I wish to hear your explanation what is that thing which you use for your jokes.
Well I got it now and like I said in other thread some people were just masoxists or they would not such like to нарываться on that PMT with their silly jokes and their endless accusations and blaming other part for not getting those jokes of their ::)
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Because it was YOUR argument So I wish to hear your explanation what is that thing which you use for your jokes.
Well I got it now and like I said in other thread some people were just masoxists or they would not such like to нарываться on that PMT with their silly jokes and their endless accusations and blaming other part for not getting those jokes of their ::)
Elen
If you really want to improve your English or to have better understanding of the various expressions or Jokes here I am very happy to try to explain and answer to you.
As I am most of the day on line you can use direct communication for instant answers with a messenger. I have MSN, ICQ or Yahoo or direct email and can let you have my address. Just PM me.
I will be delighted to help as much as I can.
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No I don't want to improve my English for better understanding jokes about women's ages and appearances. Thank for offer but I don't; want to damage my manners such badly - those two subjects are just forbidden targets for jokes whatever language people use and however perfect they could speak at language ::) ( Also have no wish to improve my English for better understanding jokes about "tampons" )
If seriously don't expect me asking you any questions. My problem with English is that I can't see my own mistakes So there could not be questions from my side but only correction of my mistakes (which I repeat time after time) making by your own initiative.
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May I remind you that it was me who teach you and helped you to improve your pigeon English to your current level, so don't try to teach me how to “suck eggs”! The pupil can not be better than the teacher!
Sorry...I am able to learn from anybody and from books also.It is nothing with you. You were not my teacher.I didn't ask you to teach me...it was you who wanted to communicate with me. And I could write english good enough before our meeting.
Has it occur to you that YOU ARE maybe the reason for such actions of other members on the board when they are feeling very frustrated by your tactics, NO TO ANSER A STRAIGHT QUESTION WITH A STRAIGHT ANSWER, ScottinCrimea told you that and many others, or they were ignored and YOU avoided to reply and come back to them with another question?
It was you who showed Sofia from bad sides all the time in your "famous" writing.And only after that I had these all problems with members.And I said you thank you for that already many days ago. You tried to put a lot of mud at my head and you were very succesful. It is easy to black somebody and it is very hard to clean all this sh..t. But I try because I respect myself and I don't let somebody to slander me.Yes, it is very hard job but I will do that always.
My life is my life.Don't teach me how to live. If you can not understand my answer it is not my foult.If I ignore something you never can press me to do that. I said you that many times by conversations.If you are not able to understand...where is my problem?
Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind!
sorry...I didn't understand your sarcasm. I think it is special humor for your Western friends- a play to public.
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I'm sure glad my RWife has a sense of humor,,, I'm afraid the newbie reading this will think the average RW has no humor or the ability to laugh at herself.
Note to the new readers; Elen and Sofia are not your typical Russian.
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I'm sure glad my RWife has a sense of humor,,, I'm afraid the newbie reading this will think the average RW has no humor or the ability to laugh at herself.
Note to the new readers; Elen and Sofia are not your typical Russian.
It is really strange comment. I don't know where I must laugh.For sure you like to laugh at yourself.
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I'm sure glad my RWife has a sense of humor,,, I'm afraid the newbie reading this will think the average RW has no humor or the ability to laugh at herself.
Note to the new readers; Elen and Sofia are not your typical Russian.
To your inform to laugh at yourself is not the same to laughing at somebody else You fail to get the difference.
Also I'm glad to inform you that this PARTICULAR picture was at the antidate forum as well and nobody had complains because it was indeed a laughing at ourselves But when the same is done by males who clear have "special" not friendly attitude to women they are having fun at then it's a different case already
As for your wife JB then we do know you used to brag about her good manners But those good manners hardly include making jokes about other's people ages, looks and jokes about tampons. Or you have rather odd and different to my ideas about what good manners mean. Nothing to do with a sence of humor
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Elen,
It has everything to do with humor. The picture was obviously contrived. It was posed and composed, most probably by a Russian man who has a well developed sense of humor, you state that women on anti-date laughed about it,,, and now you are angry that a group of American men also find humor in it.
I find your position in this extremely narrow and purposely argumentative. In other words, trollish.
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Look can't you REALLY get such simple idea that people are free to choose a target for making laugh only in a case when they make laugh about themselves ( or about people who they are so familiar with and so close to that they know for sure how exactly doubtful joke would be taken)
In all other cases a choice of target for laugh must be picked up more carefully ( especially if a target for your joke is women and especially if you shown not friendly attitude to them before In this case you can't count your joke would be understood in right way.
If Cator just posted the pic there would not be any trouble But he chosed to "improve" a humor with picking particular names. THAT changed everything.
Truth tell I don't think that Gator really counted that I would find this funny. Most probably he didn't think ( or didn't care) at all how I would take his joke All he wanted was a laugh for himself and for his buddies. That all Such innocent wish ::)
If you can't get what I'm "trolling" here about then let go to your wife who posses highly good manner and ask her to explain you such basing thing about making jokes about other people .
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Sorry for my delay in responding. Life and responsibilities take time away from what is most important in the world. Namely RWD! ;)
When you wrote this I thought that this was a great step towards really trying to find some understanding and commonality in our community. I also thought, now I think mistakenly, that you were being honest in this offer of having an "open mind". From what I have read here in this thread. There was no attempt at keeping an open mind and trying to understand or learn about the difference in what was intended and how you reacted to it.
I'm ready with open mind to see your explanation what exactly were humore here, what exactly were sarcasm and the most interesting part what exactly were truth
Hope you would find a time to clarify that ( as Gator "suddenly" became too busy to do that ::) )
The humor and the truth that I saw was that the picture reminded me (which I mentioned in another post) about how you never know who you are writing to via the internet.
The sarcasm was that this picture also reminded me of how some create a "gang" mentality to crucify someone else that they have deemed to be "a bad person" and who feed off of the negativity and even the hate they feel for others and/or themselves.
It's not about different metalities at all It;s about good manneras and personal attitude to those " who we don't like"
Why did you not say the same thing to the AD ladies who posted here. I saw very little of "good manners" in their posts and mostly just a whole lot of "personal attitude to those we don't like" instead.
The difference - I think it's a saying in Russia that every joke has an element of truth. But that's not always true for us. What makes this funny is that there is obviously zero element of truth. It's a different style of humor. The next phase in the 'joke' would be for Ellen or Kvinna to post a picture of "Gator" and then someone else, etc etc, and we all get a good laugh from "ribbing" or "roasting" each other.. I've been "roasted" this way many times by females at work, or on different boards. I can't imagine any offense was actually intended.
Daveman said it very well here and there should, again in my opinion, have been no more need for explanation. Many Westerners enjoy and participate in humor directed at themselves. If they make a joke about another person they fully expect for that person to take the initiative to return the joke back on them.
What it looks like to me is that some members here look very hard for ANYTHING that they can minutely consider to be an insult to them and turn it into a reason to attack the poster, the community, RWD in general, and in the end any Western man.
Is it any wonder that many of these same Western men do not care to continue to be considerate to those others who continue to show that they have a hidden agenda based on negativity, anger, and hatred for Western men and/or men in general?
But never mind I don;t count at any apologises from such kind nation like Americans ( anyway they would be just their famous hypocrisy I just made a not in my long term memory Roll Eyes that's all
Gator made what was, still only my opinion, a sincere and heartfelt apology to everyone who was offended by this. You have chosen to not accept it. That shows more about you than it does about any slight or misplaced humor on Gator or anyone else who found it to be humorous.
I personally find it rather sad that he put this much effort into such a small slight as a few posts and a picture when the perpetrator of a long lasting duality with lots of insincerity and lies involved gave this community a couple of sentences of what I, and many others as well, saw as a brush off apology which had every appearance of being forced by her fiance with absolutely no sincerity to it whatsoever.
Повторяю для американских тупиц, которые претендуют на юмористов - сарказм по поводу возраста и внешности мало знакомой вам женщины не приемлем в России ( и я подозреваю в Америке тоже.)
В следующий раз, если у кого возникнет недержание юмора, используйте для его демонстрации собственных подружек и жен почетных местных членов - бабушек среди них предостаточно для этих целей.
Now we are basically called dullards or stupid. Again there was no open mindedness in learning or understanding. And do you not joke with your family? Even sometimes about your family? If you do not then you are perhaps the only person in the world who has not made a joke about your family.
It was sarcasm but not name calling you should learn to understand it and not take offences about it
Is that not what we asked you to do? This is a very good example of simple stubborn behavior. Something we saw a lot of recently by others who would not accept anything that was said to them and would turn everything around to suit their own personal agendas.
NOTE: Just finished reading the latest couple of pages.
I was going to continue to respond but this thread has gone on too long and now we are back to arguing over "the dilemma" again I will just cut my answers off here and let you all continue to bicker back and forth. I do not have the time or energy or for that matter the interest to try to make any more sense of this continued nonsense.
Ken
P. S. JB, AMEN!
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Well Where is a part of understanding about my feeling which I got because of my culture settings in your such loooong post
I saw only claims to me (What was posted before that was an attempt to prove me my culture ideas about such jokes were just "wrong".
About SINSERE apologies I repeat once more - discussion which has made AFTER those apologises ( not by Gator but by all of you) made his sinsere apologises look just like PC action. Because sinsere apologises mean UNDERSATNDIG that you have done someting wrong ( BTW it was not only Gator who I "balmed" here but all others who had a fun and who failed to see that it was not a fun for me. ) But if you continue to prove it was I who was wrong then what for your so called sinsere apologises . ::)
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FWIW, I showed the picture to my wife and she about died laughing and saw no harm in AM laughing at Russian humor. She did state the picture was a very sophisticated form of Russian humor and many American men might not appreciate the incongruity of it. However she did not find the picture humiliating to Russian women at all, nor did she find it offensive that we might get a chuckle out of it.
I really think Elen is off base here and the fact that the thread has rambled on so long even after an apology was extended shows the true nature of the offended.
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Jb did you tell her the whole story that you used that pic to make a fun about particular women?
I too see nothing wrong with that funny pic itself. I see wrong with using our names to make a fun about that pic. I still didn't get explanation what was a need and purpose to mention our names. Is it any?
As for apologise then it was all of you who continued with this thread AFTER those apologises. Still didn't get where problem was? ::)
I have an urge to use Russian word to express my feeling about such "UNDERSTANDING" you all demonstrate here But Scott in Crimea forbids me to use Russian language in such situations
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The very fact that anyone was sooooooo offended that someone might think (not seriously) in jest that this was a picture of the anti-date women was even funnier, and suggests there might be a bit of truth to the idea. The continued uproar over this makes us think even harder about what the anti-date woman might be like.
About one more such inflamatory post from Elen and she joins mirror and kivanna on my ignore list.
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Yes not understanding your silly jokes made personally about us was indeed only or fault. So sinsere apologises have been made for nothing and you may take them back - we don;t deserve them at all.
And yes put me at your ignore buttom I would feel much better when I will be spared from your smart attempt to make a fun about me which I can't get with my wrong sense of humor
( Enough sarcasm for your fun or you want more? )
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Somehow the ignore button just pushes itself.
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Well Where is a part of understanding about my feeling which I got because of my culture settings
It was a bad joke because it named actual names of women which appeared to make fun of these individual women's age and appearance. If he would have said "guys, here's the antidate ladies reading our trip reports" it would be okay... I think.. because no actual names would be mentioned in that case.
Making a joke which appears to make fun about someone's age and appearance is rude and not good humor. It is offensive in the Russian culture, and can be hurtful to a woman (really to a woman of any culture). This is what offended you.
We are responsible for the effect of our jokes. We should think ahead before we make a joke to understand how this joke can hurt another's feelings.
This is what I understood from all of this and it makes sense, and I'll remember it in my future dealings with RW.
Is this correct or not?
Dave
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Gator,
Thanks for the laugh! TFF!
Elen,
Go find yourself a sense of humor!
I have noticed over the last few months that this forum has taken a turn (not for the better) since the AD mob has infiltrated our board. Now we are too afraid to post anything that may be subjected to their unreasonable scrutiny. My God, this forum was created to help guys in the pursuit of RW and we are now too afraid to even mention sex. If a new member asks a question regarding sex, we are quick to assume he is gong to be a sex tourist and follow the AD agenda to rake him over the coals. Jeez, I always thought sex was a part of the dating process and now we are too paranoid to even admit we took condoms to the fsu? (I packed 2 boxes for my first trip! BTW)
Guys, don't let AD change this forum so much as to not post what you want to post! If Elen cannot accept Gators humor in the sense it was intended, then it is HER problem, not ours. As I have always said. "Phuck em if they cannot take a joke!"
KenC
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It was a bad joke because it named actual names of women which appeared to make fun of these individual women's age and appearance. If he would have said "guys, here's the antidate ladies reading our trip reports" it would be okay... I think.. because no actual names would be mentioned in that case.
Making a joke which appears to make fun about someone's age and appearance is rude and not good humor. It is offensive in the Russian culture, and can be hurtful to a woman (really to a woman of any culture). This is what offended you.
We are responsible for the effect of our jokes. We should think ahead before we make a joke to understand how this joke can hurt another's feelings.
This is what I understood from all of this and it makes sense, and I'll remember it in my future dealings with RW.
Is this correct or not?
Dave
Dave,
Sorry, dude, it was funny as hell and not a bad joke in any way. Just because Elen does not possess the ability to laugh at herself, is no reason for you to cow tow to her lack of humor. Your post is BS!
KenC
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Yes THAT is correct and the only one thing wich should be done long time ago. So thank you Daveman for undertanding. Americans who prefer endless debates about other wrong culture in a case their own traditions cased an insult instead of just admiting their own fault should say you thank too for saving their collective "American face" in my eyes.
( as for Gator's apologises ( second variant) then I repeat they were spoiled by those who continued with "proving" of my fault during Gator's silence ( for some reason. May be if he was here he could put an end to that debates but he was not So what happened with his apologies is happened.)
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::) ::) ::) yeah Sorry Daveman When I posted my last replica I didnt read the last two posts. Nothing of your attempt could save American reputation. Sorry.
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KenC,
You took the words right off my fingers.
Arse kissing is very unseemly, Dave. You will not be able to get on the good side of the anti-date ladies no matter how much you self-castrate.
BTW, Ken,,, it's kowtow. :cluebat:
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Dave,
Sorry, dude, it was funny as hell and not a bad joke in any way. Just because Elen does not possess the ability to laugh at herself, is no reason for you to cow tow to her lack of humor. Your post is BS!
KenC
KenC, I appreciate your comment. Actually we each have an agenda here as to what we are trying to get out of our experience at RWD. My post could be bullsh!t for 99% of the people here, but it isn't to me. I cow tow to no one, males or females here. I simply pursue my own agenda as does everyone.
Some of us are not married, do not have our woman in the house with us already... we are still learning many things about this process. I don't think if i go to meet my girl's family and then say to them "well phuck you if you can't take a joke.." that I'm going to get very far in relations with her family, or her.
For some of us, or at least ONE, me, I am far more concerned with understanding what mentalities I may have to interact, and make peace with in my future family than I am to receive.
You married guys learn new things every day, but you are already MARRIED. For me, my time here is a learning experience and I intend to make the most of it.
Dave
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Gator,
Thanks for the laugh! TFF!
Elen,
Go find yourself a sense of humor!
I If Elen cannot accept Gators humor in the sense it was intended, then it is HER problem, not ours. As I have always said. "Phuck em if they cannot take a joke!"
KenC
Dose THAT have something to do with Gator's SINSERE ( supposed to be) apologies or what? ::)
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It was a bad joke because it named actual names of women which appeared to make fun of these individual women's age and appearance. If he would have said "guys, here's the antidate ladies reading our trip reports" it would be okay... I think.. because no actual names would be mentioned in that case.
I think this would have happened no matter what was said in the original post. I really do not believe that the picture or the joke (good, bad, or indifferent) was anything more than an excuse to justify the attitude and righteous indignation that followed.
Making a joke which appears to make fun about someone's age and appearance is rude and not good humor. It is offensive in the Russian culture, and can be hurtful to a woman (really to a woman of any culture). This is what offended you.
We are responsible for the effect of our jokes. We should think ahead before we make a joke to understand how this joke can hurt another's feelings.
Russian humor according to many of their favorite movies is all about making fun of peoples looks, actions, and behaviors.
I don't agree with this. If I make a joke that offends you and you go and shoot 10 people because you were mad then I am responsible? (Extreme example but really, where do you draw the line?) We are responsible for the post itself. They are our words. We are not responsible for the reaction of the person reading it. That is entirely their responsibility. If they do not like it they are free to say so. If they feel slighted for it and the poster of the original message agrees then that person is responsible to make amends, if they agree.
This is what I understood from all of this and it makes sense, and I'll remember it in my future dealings with RW.
Is this correct or not?
Dave
No I do not feel that this is correct. I believe that this is an extreme response generated to follow along with the recent influx of the AD agenda into RWD. The fact that is has gone on so long says to me that this is true as well as the protestations of the latest AD clone who has taken up residence here.
Ken
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Dose THAT have something to do with Gator's SINSERE ( supposed to be) apologies or what? ::)
It has nothing to do with Gator at all. It is my own sincere feelings on the subject!
KenC
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KenC, I appreciate your comment. Actually we each have an agenda here as to what we are trying to get out of our experience at RWD. My post could be bullsh!t for 99% of the people here, but it isn't to me. I cow tow to no one, males or females here. I simply pursue my own agenda as does everyone.
Some of us are not married, do not have our woman in the house with us already... we are still learning many things about this process. I don't think if i go to meet my girl's family and then say to them "well phuck you if you can't take a joke.." that I'm going to get very far in relations with her family, or her.
For some of us, or at least ONE, me, I am far more concerned with understanding what mentalities I may have to interact, and make peace with in my future family than I am to receive.
You married guys learn new things every day, but you are already MARRIED. For me, my time here is a learning experience and I intend to make the most of it.
Dave
Dave,
Of course you would not say that to your potential future inlaws. Well, at least until you got to know them better. ;D But it is what I say to Elen here.
One thing you may learn, is that you have to be true to yourself in this process too. If you are going to "roll over" to every little thing you think will please your future RW, you will not get very far. Oh, you may attract a GCG that will berate you behind your back, but a typical RW will not have any respect for you in your wishy washy ways.
KenC
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If their was ever a good time to turn-off a thread, to shut her down, this is it.
This thread is going no where quickly and serves no useful purpose and in fact is only a festering quagmire.
Any chance any reading Mod's might agree? I hope so.
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If their was ever a good time to turn-off a thread, to shut her down, this is it.
This thread is going no where quickly and serves no useful purpose and in fact is only a festering quagmire.
Any chance any reading Mod's might agree? I hope so.
WOW, just when I thought there was some real progress being made too!
KenC
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It has nothing to do with Gator at all. It is my own sincere feelings on the subject!
KenC
Well do you think then he was a cow for making those apologies as well as Daveman or what? Or those apologias were just PC actions from Gator's side because no one male in his right sense would do that ?
I wish to know in order to get at least how sinsere those apologises could be taking into account that so many of you do think that I deserved nothing of such a kind
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It's my long awaited pleasure to close this thread.
:)