Coronavirus, how are you preparing for it and how it is affecting you so far?

[Gator]

There is a 450 page CDC plan that lists steps leadership can take to help prevent such a breakdown and violence occurring.  Unfortunately much seems to have been ignored.

http://emergency.cdc.gov/cerc/ppt/cerc_2014edition_Copy.pdf

It does make for interesting reading.

Thanks.  I attempted reading, but gave up, barely making it thru the ToC and the Introduction.  I did notice much content on bioterrorism, which the COVID-19 episode parallels.  We may lack the terrorist, yet we have the terror.    Maybe later if in self-isolation.        

[Gator]

I doubt an efficient lockdown will be possible or generally heeded by the population in the US. 

Only if the level of fear increases to the point that most people are voluntarily self-isolating.

If the troops have to come out to enforce, violence is very likely to follow.

When I mentioned the military, I was thinking few would be enforcing anything, and certainly not on a wide-scale such as a lockdown.  Yet some concerned citizens are talking about calling up the National Guard. 

Our news had a story about Italian military supplementing labor at as factory manufacturing ventilators IIRC.  That seems unnecessary when we will have many unemployed workers from the hospitality and travel industry. 

Gov. Cuomo of New York called for the US Army Corps of Engineers to help expand hospital capacity. 

The virus is a national problem that needs national solutions and guidelines.  That's not happening with each state deciding for themselves and the administration and CDC only providing recommendations.

Federalism.      
 

The Federal, state and local officials share responsibility  for healthcare.  At first glance, it seems to mirror the same approach as law enforcement.   It is best that local health departments manned the frontline.  I cite two examples:  As of yesterday, West Virginia had  not yet reported its first COVID-19 case, and Feds would not know how to make a plan work in NYC.  The CDC  has already shown its imperfections with the lab testing.   

Looks like it will be well into next week before a good number of labs and equipment are set up. 

The plan is unfolding now.  It will inevitably experience some glitches.   For example, there is some talk that we do not  have  reagents for performing the lab analyses.  There is even some talk about a shortage of cotton swabs to collect a specimen from the individual.   

[krimster2]

correcto mundo!
cuatro caballos

plague
famine or poverty
war
and a powerful ruler will expand his kingdom by conquering his neighbors....
film at 11!

tried a new synthetic designer drug of my own design tonight
while gripped in its warm cerebral caress
I tried to isolate in my mind
the concept of "oscillation"

a value of one polarity whose value begins at +V
then declines to zero
and then keeps declining past zero until it reaches -V
then slowly reverses direction to zero
and goes back up to +V, and so completes "one cycle"
and repeats

so anything that behaves like this
night and day
AC current
is an oscillator


ok, Christians out there reading this...
how does redemption work?

not what it is, but how?

how could someone transfer sins?
how is it "actually done"

what if a random person offered to accept God's judgement on humanity's behalf
like Jesus did
would it help any?
or just be an empty gesture

please let me know
with my sincere thanks
because I am not neurotypical
I completely lack the "moral faculty" to make this determination
and was hoping someone would explain it to me so I could understand
because I REALLY don't see how to do it?
unless it's one of those "you CAN if you believe you CAN" kinda things...
ideas?

OR, just leave it on God's hands to determine whether you can or cannot...
and just do it and see what happens


PS

absolute WORST PRANK in the whole world!!!!
mother nature is gonna play on humans about 50 million times this year!!!

here's how the prank works...
the flu infects a random human...
soon as he feels the first symptoms, he's gonna think its covid-19 and that he's gonna die
but HAHA it's just the flu

50 million times that will happen this winter in the USA
Scare Tactics

fear....
I can smell it whenever I go out at night and sniff the air...
its warm animal musk smell

[fathertime]

Again it doesn't seem to be a conspiracy but the bodies aren't piling up.  My buddy a nurse says the hospital has put up a temporary triage area and are under emergency protocol already, so they must genuinely believe we are about to get slammed.  Clearly wall street investors are concerned.  Yet no big death counts. 

I popped into my little supermarket this evening basically as an observer, or tourist shopper, just to see the sights.  .  The rule at the door was "One in one out", so as one person exited, a person was allowed to enter.  When I came I was first in line, when I left there was about 5 people waiting in line to enter.  The shelves were emptier than yesterday, I didn't even see the dreaded 'alkaline water'. but zillions of bottles of coke and pepsi.  I guess the survivalist crowd is going on a health kick as a part of the survival plan.  I picked up a bunch of green bananas and a little jar of peanut butter, still no bread on the shelves. 

Fathertime!   

[BillyB]

Thanks.  I attempted reading, but gave up, barely making it thru the ToC and the Introduction.  I did notice much content on bioterrorism, which the COVID-19 episode parallels.  We may lack the terrorist, yet we have the terror.    Maybe later if in self-isolation.      

450 pages is hard to read. In events like 9/11 or WWII, there's no real way to know what is going to happen and which way it's going to go. There's no manual for it. Just got to react as events unfold. From January to the end of February, WHO advised against travel bans between nations. WHO probably followed manual guidelines. Many nations took their advice until they realized it was bad advice. Trump ignored their advice in January banning individuals from China. it worked because we discovered most of our infected came from Europe, not China.

Again it doesn't seem to be a conspiracy but the bodies aren't piling up.  My buddy a nurse says the hospital has put up a temporary triage area and are under emergency protocol already, so they must genuinely believe we are about to get slammed.  Clearly wall street investors are concerned.  Yet no big death counts. 

 America hasn't taken a hit because bodies aren't piling up but we take early action so we don't become the next Italy. If China was hit as hard as Italy, the world would've been alarmed earlier and taken more precautions. I'm sure China was hit as hard as Italy but not revealing the truth.

[fathertime]

 America hasn't taken a hit because bodies aren't piling up but we take early action so we don't become the next Italy. If China was hit as hard as Italy, the world would've been alarmed earlier and taken more precautions. I'm sure China was hit as hard as Italy but not revealing the truth.

to this point, China's numbers of infected and deaths, seem to be more indicative of the US reality rather than Italy's numbers. 
....we didn't take early action, before a day or two ago people were still in bars, casinos, events, etc etc...  Early action would have been a month ago. 

Fathertime!

[BillyB]

to this point, China's numbers of infected and deaths, seem to be more indicative of the US reality rather than Italy's numbers. 
....we didn't take early action, before a day or two ago people were still in bars, casinos, events, etc etc...  Early action would have been a month ago. 

Fathertime!

Trump enacted travel bans in January. Since it started in China, banning travel from another country wasn't an option. But they could've banned travel within their own nation. All through January preparing and celebrating Chinese New Year, China promoted travel and the city of Wuhan even passed out 200,000 free tickets to the city's New Year celebration. They promoted travel and encouraged large scale gatherings.

China had the virus longer than anybody by far. China has 23 times the population of Italy and encourage their people to congregate but when it's all said and done, Italy will have more dead. Do you believe it?

[msmob]

Trench,

"I 'reckon', 'guess' and 'think' from the likes of you means more likely mean the opposite
will be true......

If individual states in the US and regions (Oblasts/ Krais) of Russia have different quarantine policies does that mean they will break up when things settle down, too?

Moscow had a different, more harsh regime than Piter for nearly a week...

Going by your 'logic' the end of the RF is nigh?.....

[BC]

Reckon it's all over for the EU in Europe now, too much bad debt in the EU and it's member nations and the whole lot will collapse. Many will probably vote to Chuck out the EU before then. Look for a resurgence of Mussolini's Fascist party in Italy and the Nazis in Germany.

You would really love that.  Maybe you will be able to get a job watching over the prisoners so you can molest maim and rape with impunity. Jolly good fun eh?

You seem to be looking for the worst in us.  I wonder where your sick fantasy comes from.

[BC]

Thanks.  I attempted reading, but gave up, barely making it thru the ToC and the Introduction.  I did notice much content on bioterrorism, which the COVID-19 episode parallels.  We may lack the terrorist, yet we have the terror.    Maybe later if in self-isolation.      

[BC]

America hasn't taken a hit because bodies aren't piling up but we take early action so we don't become the next Italy.

You forgot 'Maybe' at the beginning of your sentence and 'yet' after aren't.

Although I sincerely hope the US is not hit as bad as Italy, it is still kinda early for proclamations.

[Trenchcoat]

You would really love that.  Maybe you will be able to get a job watching over the prisoners so you can molest maim and rape with impunity. Jolly good fun eh?

You seem to be looking for the worst in us.  I wonder where your sick fantasy comes from.

To tell the truth this virus really puts into perspective the stuff people had to live through back then, our grandparents etc. We as yet aren't even reaching a a fraction of the terrible things they had to endure. Starting from WWI, the trenches, loss of loved ones & rationing; then the bird flu pandemic at the end of the war and the loss of more loved ones; hyper-inflation in Germany; then the Great Depression globally, with unemployment, hard times, misery and going without; then WWII and the deaths of millions, many which would have been close family members.

So far this virus hasn't even come close to anything like those terrible times our ancestors had to live through. It could come close and we freak out at it yet we are still talking relatively low numbers of hundreds, of thousands, which are low in comparison to the millions living in Italy, Spain, etc.

On the TV last night I watched a report of Americans arming themselves. An article here on it:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-panic-buying-guns-ammo-nra-a9403886.html%3famp

Now I'm a little survivalist in nature myself but I wonder if all that gun buying is going a little too far and just threatens to cause a worse issue if it gets a little out of hand. I wouldn't say don't think about self defense and take some action, and if in America maybe a small firearm but I get the impression militias of gun nuts are forming over there that may just be a lot unnecessary trouble.

Here in the UK we are not yet in lockdown. Apparently in China that means you are not allowed out of the house not even for food shopping which instead is done my a neighborhood committee. Apparently now in Italy people are not allowed out of the house unless for serious business, does that include work?

This article is about Italians warning us Brits, etc of what is to come:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11188184/italy-coronavirus-warning-worst-scenario-video/amp/

I get the impression that we could be in for more than some people bargained for and those that have stocked up won't regret it. It's not looking like something to look forward to but something to get over. In some ways I wish they would just get on with it and get it over & done. I think they are waiting to be in a bad enough way so as to not do a lockdown then have to do it again as a result of re-infection from elsewhere. So they are waiting for us, the US, etc to all be getting slightly higher numbers.

[BC]

450 pages is hard to read. In events like 9/11 or WWII, there's no real way to know what is going to happen and which way it's going to go. There's no manual for it. Just got to react as events unfold.

It is a manual on communications during times of crisis, not an operational plan.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,

"I 'reckon', 'guess' and 'think' from the likes of you more likely mean the opposite
will be true......

If individual states in the US and regions ?Oblasts/ Krais) of Russia have different quarantine policies does that mean they will break up when things settle down, too?

Moscow had a different, more harsh regime than Piter for nearly a week...

Going by your 'logic' the end of the RF is nigh?.....

How are you doing Moby, did you get a flight out to Thailand to see your wife?/Your wife get a flight out of Thailand?

[BC]

Apparently now in Italy people are not allowed out of the house unless for serious business, does that include work?

I guess you must not have read my reply to you earlier in this thread.  Yes, 'necessary business' includes going to work if teleworking is not possible, grocery shopping, for health-related needs like doctor and pharmacy visits and even taking your dog for a walk in the vicinity of your residence and for a short period of time.

[msmob]

How are you doing Moby, did you get a flight out to Thailand to see your wife?/Your wife get a flight out of Thailand?

Wait and see ? ..

Was this 'response' in any way related to your, "the EU is finished" and my response .. ?

[BC]

tried a new synthetic designer drug of my own design tonight
while gripped in its warm cerebral caress
I tried to isolate in my mind
the concept of "oscillation"

a value of one polarity whose value begins at +V
then declines to zero
and then keeps declining past zero until it reaches -V
then slowly reverses direction to zero
and goes back up to +V, and so completes "one cycle"
and repeats

so anything that behaves like this
night and day
AC current
is an oscillator


ok, Christians out there reading this...
how does redemption work?

not what it is, but how?

how could someone transfer sins?
how is it "actually done"

what if a random person offered to accept God's judgement on humanity's behalf
like Jesus did
would it help any?
or just be an empty gesture

please let me know
with my sincere thanks
because I am not neurotypical
I completely lack the "moral faculty" to make this determination
and was hoping someone would explain it to me so I could understand
because I REALLY don't see how to do it?
unless it's one of those "you CAN if you believe you CAN" kinda things...
ideas?

OR, just leave it on God's hands to determine whether you can or cannot...
and just do it and see what happens

First, you need to get an oscilloscope, that'll really blow your mind.

Second , oscillation requires time as a factor.  Concepts of sin can also 'oscillate' over time.  Take extramarital sex for example.  Cavemen didn't have 'marriage' that we know of (-) which likely came about later with beginning ideas of more formal religious thought (0) with recreational sex becoming mor 'sinlike' (+) and since the 60's swinging back down towards (0)

One can conclude then that the concept and context of 'redemption' is ever changing.

Wow!!!  All this thought possible without an artificial mind bending substance How can that be?

Guess that's why they call 'em 'pipe dreams' LOLO

[fathertime]

  . China has 23 times the population of Italy and encourage their people to congregate but when it's all said and done, Italy will have more dead. Do you believe it?

At least at this Point I more or less believe both Italy and China's numbers. 

Trump enacted travel bans in January. Since it started in China, banning travel from another country wasn't an option. But they could've banned travel within their own nation.

The Virus reached our shores and has popped up practically everywhere.  There was likely no way to stop that from happening.  If this virus is as serious as stated, our response hasn't been fast enough.  It seems to me that by now there would be more actual deaths in the US given the number of people already infected.  Just yesterday i dealt with at least 9 senior citizens between 70-80 years old, so the 'stay at home routine is not being followed by many of the seniors.
Fathertime! 

[BC]

As far as testing, CDC and outside labs have reported about 25,000 tests, of which a few thousand received and being processed.

available at http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Ftesting-in-us.html

In comparison, Italy has processed as of yesterday around 140,000 tests.

What is interesting and very concerning at the same time:

Italy, 28,000 positives with 140,000 tests = ~20%

USA, 4,743 positives with 23,000 tests = ~20%

[Chelseaboy]

NHS Anaesthetist.

"I'm seeing under-40's with Coronavirus on ventilators"

Sky News report today.

Bit of a game-changer methinks.

Might explain why Governments have become panic-stricken this past few days.

[BillyB]

You forgot 'Maybe' at the beginning of your sentence and 'yet' after aren't.

Although I sincerely hope the US is not hit as bad as Italy, it is still kinda early for proclamations.

Although we are weeks behind Italy in test kits, our human bodies react to the virus are the same. We would be seeing overloads in our hospitals right now from people being sick if we were as bad off as Italy. It's not happening.

What is interesting and very concerning at the same time:

Italy, 28,000 positives with 140,000 tests = ~20%

USA, 4,743 positives with 23,000 tests = ~20%

Where did you get the USA numbers from? Article below at the bottom says 12,486 tested in King County, 11.582 were negative which equals a total of 7.2% being positive for the worst hit county in America while Italy is registering 20% positive nationwide.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/904-coronavirus-cases-in-washington-6-more-dead-in-king-county/ar-BB11hjlM

[Gator]

D

You remind me of the Soviet judges in the 1980s for Olympic skating events. 

As you say, these criteria are for communication.   I agree that communication from Trump himself has not been an "A."   His communication IMO seems more like his usual B or C range.   People who abhor Trump will give him less.  People who like Trump will give him an A. 

The critical point is that Trump has delegated communication.   It seems that 90+% of the TV communication comes from health professionals. Pence communicates more than Trump.   

More important than communication in judging Trump's response are his actions, namely Trump's executive directives.  In my county of 1.4 million, we have 5 tested cases of COVID-19 infection (ages 17-49).   4 of those are related to international travel.  Americans like Italians don't eat bats and armadillos, so without Trump's early decision to prevent travel, we would be in worse straits today.   The wave is coming, and hopefully we can learn from Italy, South Korea, China, et al about what to do and what not to do. And most of what needs to be done is the responsibility of the individual citizens.   All of us, government, corporations, businesses, organizations, and citizens are in the same boat and all have a part to do.
   

[Brillynt]

On the TV last night I watched a report of Americans arming themselves. An article here on it:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-panic-buying-guns-ammo-nra-a9403886.html%3famp

What is funny Trench is it is mostly the people who claim to hate guns that are now deciding hmmm, I need to be able to protect myself.  Lots of people trying to buy guns online are finding out that they cant be shipped across state lines direct to the buyer like all the media has lied about in the past.  I am finding this very humorous to put it mildly.

[BC]

Where did you get the USA numbers from?

CDC - the US authority in disease control.

[GQBlues]

Holy Molly! The progression of this thread is as robust, if not as rabid as the current contagion. Thank goodness for the internet. Otherwise we'd be infecting each other...if we haven't already done so.

So going back to the economic impact of coronavirus, and the fall of the global market, I listened to The Daily podcast and it captured my sentiment that while I understood the intent behind the central bank's move to lower the interest rate, I had a feeling that it'll just make things worst. I'm not an economist by profession. Far from it. But I understand it enough to realize the current economic tide we're on is NOT a financial crisis. I just didn't believe lowering interest rates was the right move.

The Fed's move is unprecedented.  Supposedly the financial markets were not functioning correctly with red lights flashing.  That is another way of saying there were not enough  buyers even at reduced prices. 

Many experts agree with you and are questioning the Fed's move.  We entered this viral crisis in a great position, having more cushion than the central banks of Europe., having an economy more robust than Europe's.   That cushion we had is greatly diminished...

Yes. Trump gave our country the economy that cushioned this current fall. We'd be in worst shape entering our cycle through this viral mess had the US economy not been in as great a shape because of Trump. The supply/demand principle of economics is being driven by forces other than money, yet, we were in a position to absorb the assault for now.

I urge you to listen to The Daily's Peter Goodman podcast (12 minutes long) and a good understanding how and why this virus, despite its relative 'less lethal' effect than its predecessors (SARS. H1N1, MERS, etc) is driving our world and all our consciousness into financial nightmare. A pending global recession differently than traditional causes.

Peter Goodman, The Daily Podcast

Government is trying to "flatten the curve" of infections in regard to preparing for the demands placed on our healthcare systems.  Some people claim such measures as closing commercial establishments, schools, etc.  are too early.  The response:   better safe now than sorry later.

Every required action taken to combat and control this virus directed by the authorities are extremely vital. These actions need to be followed if we aim to control this epidemic. The irony is, every action required to accomplish this require that we decimate our financial state first. 

The Fed's move could be in the same spirit.

I agree. The traditional action the feds take in response any economic recession unfortunately is of little use in our current situation. If anything, like their decision to lower interest rates, proved to be the worst thing that can happen. It bloodied the global market.

But at the same time, the proposed $850 billion stimulus package Sec. Mnuchin is currently working on seem to be the appropriate steps to take now to prepare our economy to what is about to happen.
 

It seems so bizarre to see commercial business shutter.  We are a consumer economy, now with less  money for consuming.   It is temporary, yet the extent is too broad to give feelings of optimism.  We will survive.  We will prevail.  And then we will thrive.

Therein lies the point discussed in the podcast. Consumer spending is 70% of our GDP. Because of what is required of us to control this virus, we are faced of doing pretty much everything to stop what facilitate 'spending'.

However, it will not be  a "V" recovery.

I'd disagree if we succeed in controlling this virus relatively 'soon'. Our fate, survival and financial, literally is in 'our hands'.