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Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« on: April 17, 2012, 12:17:45 PM »
Hi everybody. I have this situation with AFA. The last year I sent them a message in wich I asked them to stop to send me letters (or messages) from girls who (according to me) were fake girls and instead of get less messages in my "inbox" I started to getting more... Anyway. The thing is that some of the girls (supposedly real girls) that have written me, I like them but I don't know for sure if they are real. So, my question is: should I trust in these letters?, should I trust in AFA service?. I know that some of the girls of AFA database are fake but, which percent of the girls are really fake? I mean, Does AFA have real girls in their database?. Is anyone here who have passed through the same situation?... Thanks...

P.S. I'm apologise for my english, is not my first language...

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 12:31:39 PM »
In general waiting for letters to arrive to you is a bad practice.
I would recommend that you start reading a lot of profiles and write those that attract you.

As far as using a service, I would not use a pay-per letter service. There are many services that offer free exchange, or a subscription model where you can write as much as you want.
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 08:49:20 AM »
So, my question is: should I trust in these letters?, should I trust in AFA service?

Definitivamente no.

If you don't believe me, ask them for their phone number and skype connection.
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 09:25:38 AM »
Chilenoski, you need to take the course: Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 08:24:35 AM »
than you guys, you've been very helpful... I also found this video in youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/RussianBrideReality?feature=watch . Now I'm definitely convinced that AFA SUCKS!!!!

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2012, 07:22:34 AM »
Good on you Chilenoski, at least you have this info before getting too heavily into the pay-per-letter sites (I hope). I found my fiance on Ukrainedate myself. Just remember that scammers are on every site. Use your common sense and do lots of reading here on this forum. Good luck!
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2012, 07:50:28 AM »
Chile

Always tested before paying.  Anastasiaweb.com is one of them.   Few years ago, I signed up only using my username and password.   I did not have any photos in the site, nor any description of me, including my age, country, what work I am doing.  Basically NOTHING!    By the end of 1st week, I had no fewer than 110 unopened messages waiting for me to pay $10 per letter.

Of course, I did not pay 1 single letter, regardless how beautiful/hot these women are.  Why should I pay for something they do not know about me!

So I knew it is a 100% SCAM!

Since I read your letter 3 days ago, I'll test again using my old e-mail (junk mail), and using the same way.  No difference, and in fact I also received from Amolatinas.com  (cannot remember exact spelling)!!!

All that for NO DESCRIPTION OF ME, NO PHOTOS....

The question is, should I put photos of Jason Voorhees in?

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 08:00:35 AM »

The question is, should I put photos of Jason Voorhees in?

You could put in a photo of your dog and you will still get tons of letters. AmoLatina is also owned by Anastasiadate as well so same scam there. Natashaclub (or anything 1st international) is another site to stay away from!
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 12:05:18 PM »
Hi everybody. I have this situation with AFA. The last year I sent them a message in wich I asked them to stop to send me letters (or messages) from girls who (according to me) were fake girls and instead of get less messages in my "inbox" I started to getting more... Anyway. The thing is that some of the girls (supposedly real girls) that have written me, I like them but I don't know for sure if they are real. So, my question is: should I trust in these letters?, should I trust in AFA service?. I know that some of the girls of AFA database are fake but, which percent of the girls are really fake? I mean, Does AFA have real girls in their database?. Is anyone here who have passed through the same situation?... Thanks...

P.S. I'm apologise for my english, is not my first language...




Th pay per letter sites are generally full of scam ,or at least the local affiliate agencies that supply the profiles are.

That said ,you asked some pointed questions that deserve  straight answers.

Yes many of the women are real.

many are married , have boyfriends or are working for the local affiliate making a decent wage chatting with foreign men.

Are there real women ,single, whop would consider dating and eventual marriage to a foreign man? yes.

So, you have to decide if you are willing to pay to play to weed through the various traps and pitfalls of such agencies to see if you can sort out a sincere woman ,that once you meet in person might be truly interested in you.

There are better ways to find someone.


That doesn't change the fact that  there are plenty of sincere women listed at such agencies.
It just makes the effort to find out who they are, often not worth the initial price of admission.

I have passed through the same situation, but I would not recommend anyone do so.





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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 01:24:41 PM »

You could put in a photo of your dog and you will still get tons of letters. AmoLatina is also owned by Anastasiadate as well so same scam there. Natashaclub (or anything 1st international) is another site to stay away from!

 :D except that I do not have a dog.

I agree with you about NatashaClub (Best Dating Now), but at least Best Dating Now has FREE 1st letter, so I enjoyed reading FREE letters lol   

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 01:29:31 PM »
I had a friend who is from Minsk, Belarus.  I knew her from lonelyfire website that is now closed.  She found her boyfriend from other site.   Anyway, AFA invited her to go to Kiev on dating tour even though she already has a boyfriend.   AFA paid for her train fare and accomodation and of course free food and drink.

I asked her why go there when she already has a boyfriend.  She told me "Free food, Free drink, Free party, Free transport, Free accomodation"

Therefore I wouldn't be surprised if AFA had invited many girls who already have their men, and of course clients paid for the transport, accomodation, food and drink.

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 01:48:15 PM »
I had a friend who is from Minsk, Belarus.  I knew her from lonelyfire website that is now closed.  She found her boyfriend from other site.   Anyway, AFA invited her to go to Kiev on dating tour even though she already has a boyfriend.   AFA paid for her train fare and accomodation and of course free food and drink.

I asked her why go there when she already has a boyfriend.  She told me "Free food, Free drink, Free party, Free transport, Free accomodation"

Therefore I wouldn't be surprised if AFA had invited many girls who already have their men, and of course clients paid for the transport, accomodation, food and drink.




It's not a completely unusual mentality..


and it begs the obvious question, IF she met a man that really pushed her buttons  at the social..
(however unlikely)
would it really matter that she had a boyfriend past or present.
to some women yes, to others no. same with the man involved..or would he ever even know.. ;)

things are pretty much the matrix in this endeavor.. LOL




I know one UM that had his wife working at a known big agency for chat,
he liked the money she made there verses a more routine job.Just how it was.
She worked there for years, emailed/ chatted with thousands of men, for sure.
Mostly harmless as 99% never even think about traveling.
Yet one did stick out, and ultimately he did come and see her,
 she divorced her husband and married the foreign man.
No he isn't wealthy, lives in  Europe but a bit meagerly, yes she seems genuinely in love, and never was with her first husband,
hard to tell where that may go..


People can make all kinds of condemnations or judgments at the rather convoluted scenario,but really that kind of thing happens in domestic relationships everyday.

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2012, 11:12:42 PM »
Hi everybody. I have this situation with AFA. The last year I sent them a message in wich I asked them to stop to send me letters (or messages) from girls who (according to me) were fake girls and instead of get less messages in my "inbox" I started to getting more... Anyway. The thing is that some of the girls (supposedly real girls) that have written me, I like them but I don't know for sure if they are real. So, my question is: should I trust in these letters?, should I trust in AFA service?. I know that some of the girls of AFA database are fake but, which percent of the girls are really fake? I mean, Does AFA have real girls in their database?. Is anyone here who have passed through the same situation?... Thanks...

P.S. I'm apologise for my english, is not my first language...

Read my blog and check my website. I have written a full-length book on this topic. I have lived in Ukraine for more than 3 years and want to help men like you as I spend thousands of dollars on such sites before I arrived here and was bitterly disappointed to find out the truth about these "real" girls. Send me a message and I will give you all of the information. Good luck to you.
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 07:32:30 AM »

You could put in a photo of your dog and you will still get tons of letters. AmoLatina is also owned by Anastasiadate as well so same scam there. Natashaclub (or anything 1st international) is another site to stay away from!
If I put a pic of my dog, I KNOW I will get a lot of love letters from some gorgeous beauties!
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2012, 07:21:47 PM »


I know one UM that had his wife working at a known big agency for chat,
he liked the money she made there verses a more routine job.Just how it was.
She worked there for years, emailed/ chatted with thousands of men, for sure.
Mostly harmless as 99% never even think about traveling.
Yet one did stick out, and ultimately he did come and see her,
 she divorced her husband and married the foreign man.
No he isn't wealthy, lives in  Europe but a bit meagerly, yes she seems genuinely in love, and never was with her first husband,
hard to tell where that may go..



Now that's a story.  You mentioned her UM husband liked the money she made being deceitful, so it makes me wonder if he used her?

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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 07:31:34 PM »

Now that's a story.  You mentioned her UM husband liked the money she made being deceitful, so it makes me wonder if he used her?
women use men, men use women... is it so surprising?
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2012, 11:37:15 AM »
So many people cannot be honest with themselves. So many girls say they want an honest man, but the moment I show full disclosure and openness, they run - why???

Because they would have to be open and honest and despite what comes out of their mouths, that is not what they really want - they are not ready for that.

I am waiting for the one who is really ready for that - oh, forgot to tell you - found many that are ready for that - but I haven't been attracted to those. So, waiting for one who is attractive by my definition of attractiveness and is ready for complete honesty with herself.

Deceit is deceit on any level. I don't want to be associated with a partner who finds it ok to deceive guys daily.

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2012, 01:49:53 PM »
So many people cannot be honest with themselves. So many girls say they want an honest man, but the moment I show full disclosure and openness, they run - why???

Because they would have to be open and honest and despite what comes out of their mouths, that is not what they really want - they are not ready for that.

I am waiting for the one who is really ready for that - oh, forgot to tell you - found many that are ready for that - but I haven't been attracted to those. So, waiting for one who is attractive by my definition of attractiveness and is ready for complete honesty with herself.

Deceit is deceit on any level. I don't want to be associated with a partner who finds it ok to deceive guys daily.
You chose one of the tougher cities to find what you are looking for. It's not impossible but in the area where you are residing really attractive women are too often users not capable of sincerity you would like to find. However as you correctly pointed out, you can find wonderful women among more average looking ones. You would find the type of woman you are looking for much sooner in places like Omsk, Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk and some other Russian cities. Just as many or actually a lot more beautiful women there but many more of them have the values you are looking for.
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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2012, 05:03:57 PM »

Now that's a story.  You mentioned her UM husband liked the money she made being deceitful, so it makes me wonder if he used her?


used?
he seldom worked and insisted she work.
The guy defines the bad stereotype.abusive drunk.and unfaithful.
When the money was better for her working at an agency, he wasn't thrilled, but certainly insisted she keep at it. It was someone he knew that was working there that got her the job as my understanding,and he dint mind spending the new wealth.
In my opinion. it isnt nearly as unusual as it might seem



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Re: Hi it's me again... asking for help!
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2012, 05:05:32 PM »
You chose one of the tougher cities to find what you are looking for. It's not impossible but in the area where you are residing really attractive women are too often users not capable of sincerity you would like to find. However as you correctly pointed out, you can find wonderful women among more average looking ones. You would find the type of woman you are looking for much sooner in places like Omsk, Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk and some other Russian cities. Just as many or actually a lot more beautiful women there but many more of them have the values you are looking for.


what city is he in you find as being tougher ed?


My own take is Odessa is a city that makes money from air..
I think is the russian expression?
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2012, 02:26:55 PM »
Sure Edward. I believe you probably know a little better than me on this one. I only know Odessa, so I couldn't tell you about those other cities. However, many Ukrainians here tell me that Odessa girls are a little more insincere and money hungry than Ukrainian girls in other cities. Hilarious. I find myself writing this post with SEO in mind, mentioning certain keywords and phrases.

Anyway, мая интуиция tells me that I am in the correct city. I have developed hundreds of friends here, an amazing network of people to help me when I need it, trustworthy business friends and acquaintances I know I can trust because I have seen the way they do business over three years, and many other benefits.

As I mentioned before, and you reiterated, there are a plethora of wonderful Ukrainian girls here that have fallen in love with me (No! I am not a ladies man. Perhaps that is actually helping me) However, I know what I want. I am 41, never been married, and don't want to marry something I can get in southern California. I came all the way around the world, having taught in S Korea for almost a year, and feel I deserve exactly what I want in a girl, woman, partner, mother of my child, and lover. (Of course, I do know I need to be patient as well as flexible.)

I have lived on the outskirts of the city, taken the marshrutka to and from work every day for two and a half years, and traveled to the far reaches of this city. So, I may not know the language yet, but I feel pretty comfortable with the culture. As a result, I am prepared to wait here.

One place I think I need to visit though is Moldova and Pridnestrovie. For us it is one place because they are recognized together as Moldova, but to Pridnestrovie, they believe they are an independent state. Every Moldova girl I've met has been so sincere. I love, need, and crave sincere. So, I think I will try that place as soon as I generate enough money to visit.

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2012, 03:46:02 PM »
Every Moldova girl I've met has been so sincere.
Interesting... I know probably more than a 100 people from Moldova and used to live with a girl from Tiraspol. My experience with their sincerity is opposite of yours... The same deal applies to Moldova women as in Odessa - less attractive ones are more sincere and would make a better wife. Beautiful ones - watch out! Unless you speak the language fluently and really, really know and understand the culture and have a lot of relationship experience with these women you will be playing a Russian roulette. They can be very deceptive. But then again, you might just get lucky.
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2012, 07:24:09 PM »
...I came all the way around the world...and feel I deserve exactly what I want in a girl, woman, partner, mother of my child, and lover...

Following on from the standard jokes in other threads...just make sure that these five never meet each other!  :D

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2012, 06:43:21 AM »

Following on from the standard jokes in other threads...just make sure that these five never meet each other!  :D
great advice!  :P
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