Why a Russian/FSU woman?

[jen]

Hi everyone,

I am back online after some time out of town, most recently in Denver where I met some really nice folks.

OK, here is a new question. When I mention my research to people who do not have much experience with this issue, but have heard of the international marriages that many people refer to as "mail-order," they often ask me: why do some AM/WM search specifically for Russian or FSU women? As opposed to, say, Filipina or other Asian women, i.e., women from other countries from which many wives are known to have come?

I have heard a lot of discussion about the virtues of Russian/Ukrainian/etc. women, but I never heard much directly from a man about his own thought process -- that is, assuming you didn't have any previous experience with the FSU (I know some of you did), did you consider any other countries/regions before settling on the FSU? What attracted you there as opposed to other countries/women?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts,
Jen

[TigerPaws]

jen,

To be politically incorrect and totally honest I was looking for a white European featured woman, hence the FSU.

TigerPaws

[Ste]

Hi everyone,

I am back online after some time out of town, most recently in Denver where I met some really nice folks.

OK, here is a new question. When I mention my research to people who do not have much experience with this issue, but have heard of the international marriages that many people refer to as "mail-order," they often ask me: why do some AM/WM search specifically for Russian or FSU women? As opposed to, say, Filipina or other Asian women, i.e., women from other countries from which many wives are known to have come?

I have heard a lot of discussion about the virtues of Russian/Ukrainian/etc. women, but I never heard much directly from a man about his own thought process -- that is, assuming you didn't have any previous experience with the FSU (I know some of you did), did you consider any other countries/regions before settling on the FSU? What attracted you there as opposed to other countries/women?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts,
Jen

I would say that russian women have Slavic looks, which are deffo not Western looks, there is a great difference.

For me, I never looked, it just happened and I know this sounds like a tired old tale but I found my beloved by natural means, love grew out of knowing each other over time.

I maintain 'seeking' isnt the right way to govern ur future romantic interludes, it should just happen naturally,   maybe with a common interest, but not looking for love, that's just stupid.

Email,MSN and crappy calls with babytalk does not a relationship make.

[ScottinCrimea]

It wasn't so much what I was looking for as it was what I was ultimately attracted to.

[jen]

It wasn't so much what I was looking for as it was what I was ultimately attracted to.

TP, is this what you meant as well? If you were looking for a white, European-looking woman, was it because this is what you find attractive? Or any other reasons? (E.g., I have heard someone suggest before the idea that a white woman might integrate more smoothly into your social network at home, raise fewer questions about how you met, etc. I don't know if there is anything to this, but just a question.)

And Ste, I'm sorry, I'm sure you have described your story elsewhere, but while we are talking about it: by meeting "naturally," do you mean that you were traveling or living in the FSU and just got lucky to meet someone? Or?

Thanks, Jen

[TigerPaws]

TP, is this what you meant as well? No jen. If you were looking for a white, European-looking woman, was it because this is what you find attractive? Yes, personally I do not find Asian women attractive for a long term relationship Or any other reasons? (E.g., I have heard someone suggest before the idea that a white woman might integrate more smoothly into your social network at home, raise fewer questions about how you met, etc. I don't know if there is anything to this, but just a question.) No I was not interested in marrying a woman of a race other then white European and the FSU offered the greatest opportunities.

TigerPaws

Thanks, Jen

[docetae]

Hi everyone,

I am back online after some time out of town, most recently in Denver where I met some really nice folks.

OK, here is a new question. When I mention my research to people who do not have much experience with this issue, but have heard of the international marriages that many people refer to as "mail-order," they often ask me: why do some AM/WM search specifically for Russian or FSU women? As opposed to, say, Filipina or other Asian women, i.e., women from other countries from which many wives are known to have come?

I have heard a lot of discussion about the virtues of Russian/Ukrainian/etc. women, but I never heard much directly from a man about his own thought process -- that is, assuming you didn't have any previous experience with the FSU (I know some of you did), did you consider any other countries/regions before settling on the FSU? What attracted you there as opposed to other countries/women?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts,
Jen

The initial process was totally not thought. I was planning to travel to Ukraine for work and as I was looking for information about accommodation in Ukraine on the web, I clicked on the ad of a marriage agency . More for fun and killing time, I decided to subscribe and started to write to several women with no real hope or goal.

At the end , I have met one Ukrainian woman, we are dating since around one year and half (with a 6 months break from my side for health reasons), we have just relinked and I hope for the best now.

I am european, living in Canada and what seduced me with Ukrainian women is their behaviours, the way they think , they are proud, very feminine, they are independant but for them manhood is important too. And the importance for them to take care of themselves, very far from the kind of women I can meet her.  At the end, this is for me, probably the most appealing cocktail

[2tallbill]

I can't believe I am answering your questions. But the answer is.......

I am seeking my soulmate. Here in the US, and elsewhere.

I am tall, and for reasons that you could easily find out for yourself, tall women like tall
guys. Short women like tall guys as well. I have a myspace profile, and I have women who are interested in me from as far as Florida to the FSU.

I did a search on myspace for women over 6' tall. I like women regardless of there height but
I made the search anyway. I found several women who were actually men, posing as women. I found
several who were bisexual as well. I am not looking for something like that. I also found several who
actually weigh more than I do. I weigh 240lbs. I found several who have body art. I am not attracted to that either. I have made some friend at myspace, only the future can tell.

I am looking for my soulmate. I will find her where ever she is.

I will travel to where my soulmate is. It could be Florida, or California, here in the bay area or in the FSU.

Good luck with your research,


Bill

[MaxxumUSA]

Jen,

The answer is as close as your local wal-mart.  Walk in and take an objective look at the real "average" american woman.

When my Elena arrives I am afraid she might go to wal-mart one time and immediately ask me to take her to the airport for a return trip to Russia.  I will keep her away from that place as long as possible, as she will think she has found an alternate universe where people care nothing about themselves.

I met a friend of mine yesterday for a beer.  He owns a bar.  He hired a very cute, innocent woman of 23 years old to tend bar.  I had an opportunity to talk to her a few times recently.  Yesterday she asked me why I went to FSU for a woman.  I despise people that answer questions with questions - but I did this myself.  I asked her how many of her close friends her age that she knew were interested in marriage and family.  She said quickly - 3.  I asked out of how many.  She said 9.  She has 9 friends that she is close to and said they all had discussions about what they want.  Only 3 out of the 9 desired to find a man, get married, and settle down.  The others are completely opposed to this.  I also asked what the chance of one of these friends wanting an older man - she said zero.

If you talk to the average 23 year old women in FSU I think you will have opposite results.  6 or more out of 9 I would guess are interested in finding a good man to settle down with.

The answer can also be found on the web.  Simply log on to match.com and elenasmodels.com.  Randomly select profiles of single women in the same age range.  Judge each one based on physical and written characteristics.

My only regret in pursuing FSUW is not doing it sooner.

Oh... and I AM a bit bitter about this issue.  I should not need to search for a woman globally.  What the hell is going on here in the states with the woman is a tragedy in my view.

Just like I told my last AW when we broke up and what I would like to say to most (not all) AW:  You should be ashamed.

[jen]

Hi Maxxum,

OK, these points are understood, but it doesn't address specifically why FSU? Presumably the higher likelihood of finding women who are interested in settling down would apply to other countries/regions as well?

j.

[MaxxumUSA]

Hi Maxxum,

OK, these points are understood, but it doesn't address specifically why FSU? Presumably the higher likelihood of finding women who are interested in settling down would apply to other countries/regions as well?

j.

Ahh...  Well...

I had heard about philipino (sp?) women.  Not interested in a philipino.  Just not for me.  Same with columbian women.  I women of my race, especially when it comes to the idea of marriage.

FSU had many thousands of women that fit what I was seeking physically.  This is great because in my search it was easy to focus on their words and communication - rather than just settling for a woman because she fit my physical wants.  And for the record my physical wants were very simple.  Just a woman who is not overweight, with dark hair, average to attractive.  Very simple.  I think it's the Italian in me that desires dark hair women.  Can I find this in USA?  Yes - but I have not yet found a woman who I am physically attracted to with the next issue that brought me to seek in FSU:  Marriage minded with a desire for dedication to husband and family.  Actually more than marriage minded - READY to be married if the right man comes to them.

So...  like I said there were thousands of profiles on Elenas Models that met my physical factor.  Seeing the profiles there was such a freeing experience.   FSU offered so many options that it was great to finally initiate communication with women that were marriage minded - and of course 99% of them on Elenas are marriage minded.

Oh...  and the way I heard about FSU women:  A female friend of mine suggested it.  She knows my desire for many years was most of all to be married to a good woman.  She told me in october of last year to go get me one of those russian brides.  She knew of 5 men in Syracuse that had done it and she said they were all happy.  I blew it off as a joke.  Then she calls me to wish me merry christmas a few days before the holiday.  She asked me how the search is going.  I asked what search?  She reminded me about the RW idea.  I told her I thought it was a joke.  She made me promise I would at least look into it.  So I did, and was immediately hooked.

[KenC]

Hi everyone,

I am back online after some time out of town, most recently in Denver where I met some really nice folks.

OK, here is a new question. When I mention my research to people who do not have much experience with this issue, but have heard of the international marriages that many people refer to as "mail-order," they often ask me: why do some AM/WM search specifically for Russian or FSU women? As opposed to, say, Filipina or other Asian women, i.e., women from other countries from which many wives are known to have come?

I have heard a lot of discussion about the virtues of Russian/Ukrainian/etc. women, but I never heard much directly from a man about his own thought process -- that is, assuming you didn't have any previous experience with the FSU (I know some of you did), did you consider any other countries/regions before settling on the FSU? What attracted you there as opposed to other countries/women?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts,
Jen

jen,
I was not searching for a bride at all.  I am of Russian decent and was intrigued by the RW listed in the Net.  In fact my first phone call to Lena was to talk about Russia.  Most of our following conversations were about Russia and America as she was as inquisitive about America as I was Russia.  It was Lena that opened my eyes to the wonders of RW not that I was enamored with RW and then met her.  I knew zero about the fine qualities that RW tend to offer before I came to know Lena.

Now with 20/20 hindsite I can say that RW are very attractive to me because of their physical beauty, the likelihood of a high education, their increased femininity (over AW), and their great sense of culture.  It also doesn't hurt that they have a better grip on the roles that men and woman should play in a relationship.

I have never been attracted to Asians.  Although the women of South America are very hot but they appear to be more simple and less educated.
KenC

[acrzybear]

 I think I am a bit different the the average poster here in that I am not specifically looking for a wife.  

 I was born in 1969 and as far as I can remember I have been fascinated by Russia and always wanted to visit there. When I was doing research for my vacation in 2004 I came upon all of the usual ads for Russian brides. I thought it was interesting, but I really had no inclination/desire to marry anyone.  When I visited Odessa I discovered the attitudes of Soviet and FSU women.  

 That was the first time I had been exposed to women that were proud to be a woman and were not afraid to show it, I was also fascinated that a typical woman could do so much with so little and I came to the conclusion that Soviet women are true survivors.  

  I think what attracts me in particular to Soviet women is their pride and stubbornness, and the traditional values (that the United States is sorely lacking).  I also find their straight forwardness (OK, bluntness) refreshing and is a nice fit with my personality. The biggest difference I've noticed is if a Russian lady likes you-she leaves no doubt in your mind as to her feelings, but an American woman (yes, I used woman not lady) in more into playing head games and trying to get ahead (whether is getting the upper hand emotionally or financially).

Another part of the equation is I am tired of American women complaining about how they're looking for that perfect man that will be loyal to them, and yet they don't look twice at the guy that doesn't make the high 6 figure income or has the 6 pack abs or they go for the "bad boy" type because their maternal instincts kick in and they think they can change them.

 I am a 6'5" big frame, 38 year old guy with a decent stable job (that I enjoy most of the time), I do not lie, have (nor will ever) never cheated on a partner, I have strong morale beliefs and I firmly believe that the family has first priority to my personal wants. I am responsible with my finances and responsibilities, I have been told that I am highly intelligent (I've taken several IQ tests which scored me from 125-128 range-but I think the test was in error), I work out 4-5 days a week, average or slightly below average in looks (nothing you would look twice at).

 Yet the pickings are mighty slim, I am also too selective and refuse to lower my standards for temporary physical and emotional satisfaction.  If I happen to find that one-great, but if I do not and I remain single for the rest of my life, then so be it.  Either way I will continue to experience as much as I can in the time allotted to me.

  I always found it interesting how two people can find their soulmate on this planet, when you look at the odds-it's just amazing.  


  Just the opinion of a civil servant

[ScottinCrimea]

I was watching TV the other day and a AW was describing what she wanted in a man.  She said step one is that he has to always listen to her.  If not, she goes straight to step three.  Step two, he must always do what she says.  If not, then step three is to give him the boot.  Enough said.

[acrzybear]

Now with 20/20 hindsite I can say that RW are very attractive to me because of their physical beauty, the likelihood of a high education, their increased femininity (over AW), and their great sense of culture.  It also doesn't hurt that they have a better grip on the roles that men and woman should play in a relationship.

The women of South America are very hot they appear to be more simple and less educated.
KenC

Ken C  

The above is not very politically incorrect (of which I am sure you've never been accused of ), but as our British cousins would say "Spot on"

I couldn't agree more

[Wayne B]

Hi everyone,

I am back online after some time out of town, most recently in Denver where I met some really nice folks.

OK, here is a new question. When I mention my research to people who do not have much experience with this issue, but have heard of the international marriages that many people refer to as "mail-order," they often ask me: why do some AM/WM search specifically for Russian or FSU women? As opposed to, say, Filipina or other Asian women, i.e., women from other countries from which many wives are known to have come?

I have heard a lot of discussion about the virtues of Russian/Ukrainian/etc. women, but I never heard much directly from a man about his own thought process -- that is, assuming you didn't have any previous experience with the FSU (I know some of you did), did you consider any other countries/regions before settling on the FSU? What attracted you there as opposed to other countries/women?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts,
Jen

Jen, no doubt here that I am not an eloquent writer/speaker. That being said, I will try my best to give an answer as it applies to myself.
I as a child have always been interested in Europe, mainly Russia.
Why? because for one thing above all is that, I wanted to know why these people did not like American's. So, that sparked my curiosity.   When the day came for me, to be financially able to travel to Europe, I did so, after divorce....
This came about after an almost 14 year marriage to an AW, and we have two beautiful children together.
I have dated more than my share of AW, and the same theme popped up time after time. My, ex-wife was/is a very good mother....but, after children, it seemed as though I was fourth in line...children, wife and then me.  We lost that 'spark' or fire....

Back to why FSU/W...I made my first trip to Moscow then to Novosibirsk.....for me to see the country and it's people. Love at first sight of country and it's people. Why, because it was a complete turn around from what I had seen, read and been told....

The beauty of the country was unimaginable....the beauty of the women...I have yet to find a word to give due justice....

My AW, was as beautiful as they come....and could compare to most FSU women any day....
What I found later, and also her...was that we really did not have anything in comman in everyday life....anymore...she had her children and for the most part, was finished with me...

What I found out about many FSU women, was that the man comes first, wheather he is a father of 1, or a father of 12. As long as he was a good father. That they would always try to make a good man better with/without children, that after a child, he was still number 1. Today, in America, children are number 1. NOTHING is wrong with that....unless you are the father...for a father, there is still life with children and wife/mother...it just seems to me...that Father is put on the shelf....until children leave the nest....
Please, do not get me wrong about how I feel about my children or any other children....I am very close to my children, as am I close to my brothers children....but, I was raised where father, was  served supper only after father came home from work, took a bath, put on his cloths, and said, OK, I am ready to eat....and then he was served first, then my brother and I, and then my mother....but, we always had prayer and then we ate together as a family...without television

If, I ever need to look back for what I call a traditional wife/mother, all I have to do is drive about 1 mile, and say hello mama....but, if today, for some reason, I cannot drive or walk.....I just have to reach out and touch my wife.... and I love her with all that I have to offer....    

[acrzybear]

I was watching TV the other day and a AW was describing what she wanted in a man.  She said step one is that he has to always listen to her.  If not, she goes straight to step three.  Step two, he must always do what she says.  If not, then step three is to give him the boot.  Enough said.

I went on a date a couple of years ago with the friend (I'll call her Jane Doe) of one my coworkers wife (set up by her)  

 Per Jane Doe's request I picked her up by her office, when I got out and opened the car door, she hesitated and then got into the car.  When we got to the restaurant I opened the door for her and she made a snide comment that she was quite capable of opening her own doors. When the waiter arrived to take our orders I let her go first as is customary (ladies and children first).

 Well dinner arrived and I had to listen to her talk about how men are only nice because they want one thing from a woman and that any true woman was more then capable of taking care of herself without a man-yadda yadda.  I finished my dinner and requested the bill, when it arrived I placed $40.00 cash (to cover my share of the meal and the tip) and got up to leave.  She asked me where I was going and I told her to go see some friends, she then asked me how she was getting home and I told her that a strong capable woman such as herself shouldn't need a man to give her a ride home and that she should also be able to pay her share of the bill since everyone was considered equal.  

  I have found that older ladies appreciate manners more then the younger modern ones, I routinely open doors for ladies and I have received more compliments from the  ones on their 60's and 70's for such a simple courtesy.

"Chivalry is not dead, it's just hard to find"  

[KenC]

acrazybear,
I am sure you meant that my opinion was not politically "correct".  Thanks for the appreciation any way.

You brought up a couple of good points though.  One is that RW are not all driven by the outward appearance of men as much as AW.  In fact they have a saying "that as long as their man is better looking than a monkey", all is well.  The fact that their culture has coined a cute (and popular) phrase to address that a man's looks are not important says a lot about that culture.  The other point is that not all RW are consumed with marrying a rich man as are AW.  Most RW expect to work and help support the family.  Not to obtain more wealthy belongings, but to exist in a humble sort of way.  I know from my own marriage that I am much more money driven than Lena ever will be.  She would prefer me to work less, make less money and have more time to enjoy life at a more humble income level.
KenC

[KenC]

I went on a date a couple of years ago with the friend (I'll call her Jane Doe) of one my coworkers wife (set up by her)  

 Per Jane Doe's request I picked her up by her office, when I got out and opened the car door, she hesitated and then got into the car.  When we got to the restaurant I opened the door for her and she made a snide comment that she was quite capable of opening her own doors. When the waiter arrived to take our orders I let her go first as is customary (ladies and children first).

 Well dinner arrived and I had to listen to her talk about how men are only nice because they want one thing from a woman and that any true woman was more then capable of taking care of herself without a man-yadda yadda.  I finished my dinner and requested the bill, when it arrived I placed $40.00 cash (to cover my share of the meal and the tip) and got up to leave.  She asked me where I was going and I told her to go see some friends, she then asked me how she was getting home and I told her that a strong capable woman such as herself shouldn't need a man to give her a ride home and that she should also be able to pay her share of the bill since everyone was considered equal.  

  I have found that older ladies appreciate manners more then the younger modern ones, I routinely open doors for ladies and I have received more compliments from the  ones on their 60's and 70's for such a simple courtesy.

"Chivalry is not dead, it's just hard to find"  

Loved your story Bear!!!!!!
KenC

[acrzybear]

acrazybear,
I am sure you meant that my opinion was not politically "correct".  Thanks for the appreciation any way.

Yeah Ken I saw that and went back and fixed it, That's what happens when I'm thinking 3 or 4 words ahead of what I'm typing :selfharm:

 "that as long as their man is better looking than a monkey", all is well.  

Well I'm not nearly as hairy!!,But I have been accused of being a knuckle dragger!! Think I stil have a chance? lol  

[acrzybear]

Thanks Ken

Sometimes I think I was born 30 or 40 years to late-things were so much simpler then.

[KenC]

Wayne,
Good points about priorities.  I don't know what you are complaining about, I only wanted to be more important than our dogs in my first marriage!  I knew I couldn't ever reach the level of the kids or my ex wife!
KenC

[jen]

Thanks for the thoughts, everyone!

I have never been attracted to Asians.  Although the women of South America are very hot but they appear to be more simple and less educated.
KenC

OK, so a lot of people have mentioned that it just basically has to do with what kind of appearance you are attracted to, but KenC raised another point above. I wonder if anyone here actually experimented with looking on own through agencies in other countries first? And if so, differences that struck you?

j.

[Wayne B]

Bear, in 1980, I went to California to visit some of my kin folks....opened the door for women and men... they looked down on me as if I were abnormal  I guess I was really abnormal when I said Yes Mam and Yes Sir.... or no mam/sir.  I did not ever have a problem in the FSU doing this same thing...was I looked upon as back woods....I don't think so....For the women in FSU, I think that they look at this action as being respectful... but, then again...I am a back woods fellow, that listened to words by example

[Wayne B]

Ken C, mind you...I don't want to be put on a pedestal....I just want to be acknowledged when I come home....Now I am...I have a true love....

Before I have even come to a stop...in the drive way...my one and only is there, to greet me with hello, how are you....I could never imagine this....I as you,are a very lucky man Wayne. 

[Gator]

Jen,

Before I answer, first let me say that I like all women whether white, brown (Peruvian girlfriend for a year), yellow, black, or red (the occasional sunburned Yankee vacationing in my home state of Florida).
   
The answer to your question has two parts:  why I first traveled to Russia to meet a RW and why I stayed.

Part One 

For two years after my divorce I dated only AW.  I enjoyed them but my two serious relationships concluded with me wanting something different.  My ex-wife, who is still a friend, suggested the Internet and showed me some dating sites.  Soon after that I clicked on an advertising banner “Meet Beautiful Russian Women”.    End of story, but I will elaborate.

RW intrigued me immediately.  I knew something about the country and RW because my travels took me to the Soviet Union in 1987 and a couple of interesting women talked to me then (more out of skeptic curiosity).
 
Traveling is one of my passions, so I planned a solitary travel adventure around Russia where I would meet some women along the way.  The RW response to my letters overwhelmed me.  Their few words of bad English conveyed sincerity, enthusiasm intelligence, free spirit, etc.  Talking to them on the telephone convinced me to do it.
 
I met eight RW and UW in four cities over 30 days.  That was five years ago.
 
Part Two

A young RW became my one and only girlfriend for over three years.  We were building towards marriage (neither of us was in a hurry); however, it ended.   

I then dated AW briefly.  Not for long because I had learned that RW were superior to my AW in the categories of beauty, brains, sense of humor, sophistication, honesty, and particularly attitude. 

Soon I returned to Russia and Ukraine and dated older women from 40 to 47, and I started a 15-month relationship with a RW.  When that ended:  a couple of AW followed by a trip to Hungary where I stayed less than a week before deciding to return to Russia.
 
I can not imagine life without a RW.   Although some RW I dated were worse than AW from my past, a few RW I met have a mix of qualities that I doubt I could find elsewhere.  And they liked me!  God bless them! 

[acrzybear]

Bear, in 1980, I went to California to visit some of my kin folks....opened the door for women and men... they looked down on me as if I were abnormal  I guess I was really abnormal when I said Yes Mam and Yes Sir.... or no mam/sir.  I did not ever have a problem in the FSU doing this same thing...was I looked upon as back woods....I don't think so....For the women in FSU, I think that they look at this action as being respectful... but, then again...I am a back woods fellow, that listened to words by example

Wayne

I know what you mean, I grew up in Northern California and when I moved here to Texas I was surprised by everyone saying Honey, sir and maam-the south definitely has manners compared to California.

[Wayne B]

Bear, that is very wrong of you....not to offer us a doughnut

[acrzybear]

What can I say I don't share!   I decided to post a picture taken in 2001-I thought my Chief was going to have a stroke when he saw it   It was worth sitting in his office for 30 minutes listening to his lecture on public perception (blah blah blah). 

Geeezzz some people have NO sense of humor

[Rvrwind]

I guess I am one of the odd birds here as I actually came here on a mission - to find a wife.
Back in the early 80's I got my first taste of "Mail Order Brides" as I received catalogues in the mail from several different companies. Most as I recall were Asian & South American. I found no interest in them & did not pursue them farther than the trash can.
Then I met a hot Canadian babe, a model & we lived together for 9 years. I asked her 3 times to marry me & 3 times she turned me down. I was good enough to live with, good enough to support her, good enough to share everything with her, but not good enough to marry!! :noidea: So strike three your outa here.
After that I stayed single for many years. Enjoying my life, traveling & seeing the world. One day I was fooling around online & came across an ad by a Russian woman & out of curiosity decided to respond. I found out she was married & that her & her husband used to live less than 100 klm from me but had recently moved to the interior of BC. Her husband & I talked on the phone several times & I decided to take a trip to meet them as soon as I could find some time.
Well it finally came & I went to meet them & we became very close friends. In fact he was the best man at our wedding & she was my wife's bridesmaid, right here in Tver. Some of the guys here will remember Karl (Splashmaster) & Oksana. Anyway I digress.
After meeting with them the first time & hearing Oksana's accent & how she pronounced my name, I fell in love. I liked it, I liked her, She was a very, pleasant caring & generous lady. At that time Karl was kinda working for LTP & pointed me to their Website & I started looking through it. One of the ladies I found very attractive & was wanting t meet was actually one of Oksana's best friends. She got us together writing & getting to know each other & I started saving money to come to Russia & meet her. I was tired of being alone & wanted a good man to share my life with.
As it turned out things didn't quite turn out as planned. Less than one hourafter meeting we found we wee not compatible at all, long story short we moved on. It was heartrendering as I made the mistake many newbies make, I fell in love with pictures & a dream & had it all collapse on me. So when I say I been there done that, believe it.
Anyway I turned to the agency & their catalogues. I was in Tver for a month, good or bad so Cowboyed up & decided to turn this baby around. In the next 3 weeks I dated my azz ff. I met over 40 women,some for 5 minutes, some for longer.
I met my Valya 2weeks into this process but she had to go to Moscow on business for a week so I continued dating even though there was something about her I was very much attracted to. I will also say she did not fit the profile I was searching for & her photos at the agency were horrible!!
After she came back I had narrowed it down to two ladies, her & one other. In the end I picked the other because she had a child & I was afraid that Valya would not stay with me as she had no children & all women want children, or most anyway.
As it turned out that relationship went south very fast & I dumped the lady involved. I couldn't stop thinking about Valya & decided I had to go forward. So I wrote her & returned to Russia 3 months later to be with her & only her & see if we could be together even with the child issue. She took English lessons o that we could be without an interpreter & we discussed our situation for ours. Finally after 2 & a half months & a month of that living in sin, LOL, I asked her to marry me. She said yes, & the rest is history. We've been together for 4 years & love each other deeply & her accent & the way she says my name still turn me to mush everytime she says it!!!
That's my story & I'm stickin' to it.

[SANDRO43]

I was tired of being alone & wanted a good man to share my life with. As it turned out things didn't quite turn out as planned.

Not surprising, what with her being a woman  .

[Wayne B]

Sandro, I saw that but I knew what Richard ment....I hope

[William3rd]

Hey Bear- Is that a donut that i see in your hand?

Too funny-

Public perception. . . .


Here in Los Angeles, they say that we have the best protected donut shops in the world.

[Bruno]

Why FSU ? ...

Very simple... it is near Europa and you have a lot of choice !

In the previous replies, some guy say that they choose FSU because they wish a white woman... but if you wish a asian woman, FSU is the right place too... Ukraine women are a character more like Spanish... at the north, they are more slavic...

Jen, FSU is 12 time zone, half of the world... have several religion, several culture, several skin color... if you don't find what you wish in FSU, you need to seek outside these planet !!!

And seriously, modern western women don't need or seek a husband... the only thing they wish is a rabbit :
http://trinixy.ru/2007/08/08/vot_tak_i_podarochek30_mb.html ... click play  ... FSU ladies prefert natural thing, not artificial one...

[Rvrwind]

Not surprising, what with her being a woman  .

Now thats Funny  A major type:-o!!!
I really hate this friggin' keyboard!!!

[catzenmouse]

I really hate this friggin' keyboard!!!

Um.. Richard, it isn't the keyboard...

On Topic:

 Simple. They are the very best there is. Nothing else comes close!

Ken

[acrzybear]

Hey Bear- Is that a donut that i see in your hand?

Too funny-

Public perception. . . .


Here in Los Angeles, they say that we have the best protected donut shops in the world.

Yes it is WIlliam

Here's the story behind that picture;

it was 2001 and I was the President of the Police Officers Association and we were going through some difficult negotiations with the department.  I stopped off at one of the local hotels to talk with the Manager (a fishing buddy of mine) and he offered me a cup of coffee.  Well as I was drinking the coffee I saw some left over donuts from the previous day, well my devious mind went to work.

  I knew my Chief's panties would get twisted if he saw a picture of one of his Officers holding a cup of coffee and a donut So the buddy was more then happy to take my photo and some how a copy of the photograph ended up on the stations bulletin board (have no idea HOW that happened)

  I had to do my damnedest to keep a straight face (I wasn't to successful) while I was in the Chiefs office getting my lecture on public perception

P.S I would have liked to have gotten a donut with pink frosting and sprinkles (THAT would have set the Chief off), but white frosting was the best I could do.

No donuts were harmed or abused during the above mentioned presention

[Rvrwind]

Um.. Richard, it isn't the keyboard...

On Topic:

 Simple. They are the very best there is. Nothing else comes close!

Ken

Yeah Ken, unfortunately it is.. The keys are very stiff for some reason & if I don't hit them hard they don't work. Spell check works good but only for words that are actually not words. I use it a lot but if the word is still a word spelled correctly it  misses it. I've had this problem with this keyboard from day one & can't figure out why I have to wack the dang keys so hard to get it to work right.

Okay, back on topic... it was deffinitely supposed to be woman!!!

[poseidon84]

I am looking for a FSU girls because they are not scared of being smart and beautiful. They are not scared to be REAL ladies.
But most girls here in Sweden are either extreme feminists or blonde no-brainers....

[Maxx2]

This old thread is sure depressing. I mean it's 7 years old and I remember these guys like it was yesterday and now I wonder what happened to them and if they are still alive!

[ML]

As I clicked on first post and noticed it was six years old; I just scanned down, without reading, to see what the current posts might say.

It was probably mentioned several times in the earlier posts but, my answer to the original question would be:

I wanted/need a woman who is at least 5 foot, 6 inches tall.  So unless I wanted to search for a needle in haystack, I had to stay away from Asians.

Also, without giving it too much thought (because of the overriding height idea), I probably subconsciously knew that a white skinned woman would draw less attention (when being with me) than a darker skin.

And despite some cultural differences USA - FSU; probably less than USA - Asian.   This is even more true if you bring in ethnic Mongol as compared to Maylay to the equation.

[2tallbill]

This old thread is sure depressing. I mean it's 7 years old and I remember these guys like it was yesterday and now I wonder what happened to them and if they are still alive!

I tracked Richard down once years ago in Canada. I tried to do it again a
couple of months ago and was unable to. I hope he's still kickin

[2tallbill]

As I clicked on first post and noticed it was six years old; I just scanned down, without reading, to see what the current posts might say.

I checked my first post here was on March 24, 2006, I had started out at
the old defunct site. Here it's 8 years later. I do think that I've found the
future Mrs 2tallbill. 

[Larry1]

As I clicked on first post and noticed it was six years old; I just scanned down, without reading, to see what the current posts might say.

A few years ago a good friend of mine got himself into a relationship with a gorgeous girl in Riga.  He was really taken with her.  During his visit there he told me that he saw on every block a girl more attractive than any he would see in his city in a year.  Things didn't work out with her, but he decided to search for a wife in FSU.  I talked to him as he communicated with a number of girls and he raved about them. Eventually he was in another relationship, with a St. Petersburg girl.  He tried to talk me into a FSUW search but I was dating an AW.

That relationship ended and I continued doing online dating here. I found it to be an ordeal.  As I have told people before, it seemed to resemble a job search during a bad economy.  You carefully prepare a resume, trying to include everything helpful to secure a telephone interview for the job. With dating your profile is your resume.  And your initial email to get a girls interest corresponds to the cover letter you send with your resume, hoping to get the employer to read your resume instead of consigning it to the "round file".

And that's just the first round.  If you make it through this round, you get to an exchange of messages and then a first phone call, which corresponds to a telephone interview in a job search. For those of you who haven't been in the Western online dating world lately, you might be shocked at how much of a struggle it often is. I sent one girl a message asking if she would like to talk and she replied with a request that I answer 7-8 questions.  These were not questions that could be answered in one line; they were more like essay questions on a test.  My answers were satisfactory to her so she gave me her phone number and we ended up having several dates.

Another girl wrote to me that my profile showed that I liked to travel.  She asked me which destinations I visited in the last year, on trips not for business.  That year had been particularly busy at work and I hadn't taken any vacation.  I told her this and she replied by asking which destinations I had visited in the preceding year.  I gave her my list of places visited and she was satisfied with it.  But after another exchange of messages she told me that she didn't want to go out with me after all.  She explained that I had children and she had seen a number of relationships founder because of children.  She must have seen on my profile that I had children.

But, to continue with the job hunt analogy, many times I didn't get the interview (first date), but often I did get one.  But it was usually uphill from there, at least in girls who were reasonably attractive and not much overweight.  On one date the subject of "dating tests" came up.  I asked the girl if she had any.  She replied yes, that she ended her previous budding relationship after she asked the guy what he would order in a Chinese restaurant and he answered - almond chicken.  She was a foodie and did not regard this dish as sufficiently culinarily adventurous.

I had a fun date with another AW (after a lot of dates you know when things are going well and when they aren't).  At the end of it I asked her if she wanted to go out again and she said no, bc her winter hobby was cross-country skiing and I had told her on the phone that I didn't go cross-country skiing because I didn't like to be cold.

Among guys in the dating world here this sort of thing has come to be known as the 467 point checklist of stuff AW insist upon the guy having.  That is hyperbole, a huge exaggeration, but it conveys the point that a reasonably attractive and not overweight woman in the online dating world has lots of requirements in a guy. 

Sometimes a girl would tell me how many guys wrote to her on the sites and I got to the point where I could guess by her attractiveness how many messages a certain girl would receive.  I don't think they were exaggerating to make themselves look good because the numbers seemed to me proportionate to her attractiveness.  I could make a pretty good guess as to which girls got 2,000 messages a year, vs. 4,000 or 6,000.  And none of these girls were twenty-something beauties (to be fair, the 6,000 message per year girl was a 40-something beauty).

All of this attention has understandably made the relatively small number of single, attractive and not overweight AW without huge baggage extraordinarily picky.  Speaking of huge baggage, with one slender and attractive AW I made it through to the point where we were engaged to be married, only to have her go into a bout of major clinical depression (a lifelong condition for her) that resulted in her ending our engagement by sending me an email explaining that she had to end it because God told her we shouldn't be together.

People will respond that all AW aren't like this, and they are right.  There are lots of attractive, not overweight, and normal AW here.  The problem is the vast majority of them, at least the ones over 35, are married.  The competition is fierce for that relatively small number of single AW who are single, attractive, normal, and not overweight.

I dated several FSUW who lived here.  The difference between them and almost all AW I dated was stark.  The dates felt like dates I used to have instead of like a job interview. 

So finally I took my friend's advice and began a search for a FSUW.  It was eye-opening.  Soon after my search began I talked on skype with a very attractive Kazakh girl.  A week later I talked to a gorgeous RW.  When I saw her profile I thought she was out of my league, but I sent her a message anyway and she replied, then we talked on skype.  I found out my league was better there. 

Soon after that I began talking to a beautiful girl in Belarus. She walked home from work at lunch every day to talk to me on skype. We hit it off immediately and less than six weeks after our first conversation I touched down in Minsk and she met me at the airport. I had never in my life been in such an amazing relationship. 

After being in a relationship with someone like that, I couldn't go back to dating AW.  So to answer the question succinctly - I went to FSU because I found that I could find a girl who was attractive, slender, and wanted to have a serious relationship with me, one leading to marriage.