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RWD Discussion Groups => Questions to Russian Ladies / Спросите Русских Женщин => Topic started by: Shostakovich on March 24, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
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A couple of new threads now discuss the subject of appearances so I thought to round it out and ask the ladies here to state their preferences in men's appearance. It would be nice to get the do's and don'ts and where appearance stands as a mate selection criterion.
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A good topic, Shost !
For personal relationship, a must :
tall ( above 6'' )
sports type ( genuinely into sports)
sports figure ( no "beer belly", please)
face : high cheekbones, thin face ( Clint Eeastwood type, with/w-o mustach)
clean shaven
knows how and what to wear
everything he is wearing inevitably shows the sexy body ( without intentional effort)
To be my & my husband's friend, all the above does not apply.
A must :
intellectual type
kind
good mixer
dressed as he pleases, except "nakido" or rags
highly motivated to communicate.
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To be my & my husband's friend, all the above does not apply.
A must :
intellectual type
kind
good mixer
dressed as he pleases, except "nakido" or rags
highly motivated to communicate.
OK, I can qualify to be your friend. But there shall be no sex with you, nor with your husband, since I have slight beer belly.
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A good topic, Shost !
For personal relationship, a must :
tall ( above 6'' )
sports type ( genuinely into sports)
sports figure ( no "beer belly", please)
face : high cheekbones, thin face ( Clint Eeastwood type, with/w-o mustach)
clean shaven
knows how and what to wear
everything he is wearing inevitably shows the sexy body ( without intentional effort)
To be my & my husband's friend, all the above does not apply.
A must :
intellectual type
kind
good mixer
dressed as he pleases, except "nakido" or rags
highly motivated to communicate.
Translation from women talk to men talk.......................... Women always want what they cant have 8)
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My educated guess is Ludmila's husband is quite handsome ,and meets all the criteria.
but i do agree with your post .
most "people" (not just women) naturally want it all ,
and compromise to their taste, and their own reality, accordingly?
Hetero men who deny they would want a true top supermodel *if*
she was smart, wealthy, witty, completely down to earth ,great personality ,and genuinely loved him ,are few and far between ,or in some weird denial.
;D
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I read at many topics that AM men think RW do not care how her fiance or husband look like (little bit better then monkey ::)) You might want to think so, but that is not true. It is important for RW look nice herself, but she is expecting same from her partner. As for myself I can say that for me
DO'S nice haircut, cleanshaved face, nice clean clothes (please, not from 50s) nice cologne :kissing: , little belly is okay (I actually like it, but LIITLE), I have to add good manners (I know it is not appearance, but very important). If man do not have stated above Do's he has to be willing to let me help him with that :D
Don'ts opposite from written above.
P.S. One more thing (but very important) Please do not ware sleeveless tops except to gym or you shaving underarms.
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If a woman can find a good man, she won't care what color your Rolls Royce is. ;)
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If a woman can find a good man, she won't care what color your Rolls Royce is. ;)
I don't think she would love you, but your Rolls Royce :usdeyes:
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I don't think she would love you, but your Rolls Royce :usdeyes:
Why?
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For me the "face type" doesn't matter. Not fat, neat,dressy pants+shirt+tie.Watches, cologne Nice car.
No boots (like Timberland ), no flip flops. Shorts are ok on the weekends.
I guess my husband close to all above :D
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For me the "face type" doesn't matter. Not fat, neat,dressy pants+shirt+tie.Watches, cologne Nice car.
No boots (like Timberland ), no flip flops. Shorts are ok on the weekends.
I guess my husband close to all above :D
Thanks to all ladies for responses thus far. Nice car! First time I think of that as a fashion accessory - I suppose the woman's perspective really is quite different from a man's.
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And P.S. to the above: You know ladies, some men think of a woman as an accessory to their car.
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If a woman can find a good man, she won't care what color your Rolls Royce is. ;)
Billy B.
I think you're correct on this one. Of course, this coming from a Ford F150 guy.
My wife has been adjusting my clothes from the day I met her. She even makes me shirts (she sews).
I have sleep clothes, home clothes, and out of home clothes and you don't relax in anything but home clothes.
If I don't look tip top in public, she feels it's a reflection on her.
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Thanks to all ladies for responses thus far. Nice car! First time I think of that as a fashion accessory - I suppose the woman's perspective really is quite different from a man's.
Not fashion but the car "completes" the appearance :D
Dressy pants-shirt-tie in the truck? Nooooooo :D :D
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And P.S. to the above: You know ladies, some men think of a woman as an accessory to their car.
I don't think so unless they are brainless idiots but we're not talking of idiots, are we? :D
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Why?
Usually, men who can afford to have Rolls Royce, can afford to have "wife" 40 years younger. I do not think it is love there. But it is my opinion.
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SMS60,
your supposition that "women always want what they cannot have" may be true, but my boy was INDEED way beyond my expectations and surpasses what I wished for in my wildest dreams.
My description down in the thread is just him. Are you happy for me?
Manlooking, I agree to the deal ! Bring your girl along, and a couple of bottles of beer over :-) :-)
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A couple of new threads now discuss the subject of appearances so I thought to round it out and ask the ladies here to state their preferences in men's appearance. It would be nice to get the do's and don'ts and where appearance stands as a mate selection criterion.
Sure, appearance is the thing that belongs to it. An inherent part of personality. A shell that is to be associated with beloved man.
My guess would be that a good answer is in another thread, given also by you Shosty and Sartre, "Every depth requires a surface". Appearance should vouch for good genes, great health, physical strenght, and intelligence.
However, what particular appearance should a man have in order to be attractive for a particular woman, is another thing, and a complicated one.
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little belly is okay (I actually like it, but LIITLE),
I have had non-romantic interactions with many business women in FSU of all ages, but mostly 30 to 60s.
We often discuss exercising, yoga, weight lifting, etc.
When I say to them: "I still can't quite get rid of this belly (which is not large)."
Without exception, they all pat my stomach and say: "No, no, I like, don't
make it go away."
They often point to a skinny guy and say: "We don't like that look"
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Translation from women talk to men talk.......................... Women always want what they cant have 8)
Maybe true, but I'd say the OP's "wish list" for what she seeks in a man is much more realistic than what most single men who travel to Russia or Ukraine expect.
There's a huge distinction in being able to "date" (and I use that term loosely) beautiful 19-year-olds and actually marrying one and keeping her more than a month after her arrival.
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I have had non-romantic interactions with many business women in FSU of all ages, but mostly 30 to 60s.
Without exception, they all pat my stomach and say: "No, no, I like, don't
make it go away."
They often point to a skinny guy and say: "We don't like that look"
Ah, but what do you think they would be saying if they were chatting up the skinny guy? :evil:
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A couple of new threads now discuss the subject of appearances so I thought to round it out and ask the ladies here to state their preferences in men's appearance. It would be nice to get the do's and don'ts and where appearance stands as a mate selection criterion.
appearance is the first thing I notice (unless man starts talking before I see him) - so usually it is quite important for me.
I like handsome, groomed, toned men, who walk straight and with self-confidence, but without arrogance and menace.
I totally love skinny looks - in men and women. I don't like overweight, or over-muscled people.
ManLooking - they are just casually complimenting you, don't be so stupid to believe they actually like bellies. There even is a saying in Russian "I don't like compliments - I don't like lies". That's exactly about your case of women liking bellies and disliking fit guys :P How naive some men can be - is beyond my understanding.
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Ah, but what do you think they would be saying if they were chatting up the skinny guy? :evil:
Misha as always - is a source of distilled wisdom :blowkiss:
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Sure, appearance is the thing that belongs to it. An inherent part of personality. A shell that is to be associated with beloved man.
My guess would be that a good answer is in another thread, given also by you Shosty and Sartre, "Every depth requires a surface". Appearance should vouch for good genes, great health, physical strenght, and intelligence.
However, what particular appearance should a man have in order to be attractive for a particular woman, is another thing, and a complicated one.
Old Sartre. I did not get very far with his work. I do remember reading 'No Exit'. Sartre recasts the fundamental question and focuses on its implications for life in the 20th century: "What is life for?". More often, in former times, this question was answered for most through religion. But with the decline of religion, Sartre understood, like Nietzsche the rootless quality of mankind. There is 'No Exit' from the prison of one's own perspective, which, being partial, is never entirely satisfying. One has individuality, which rather than be suppressed, as in puritan influenced times, instead should be, albeit often shabby, expressed and celebrated as one's only real truth. This is not entirely positive, but becomes a long subject. For example there are some groups who think they should celebrate as an individuating wrinkle conditions which, formerly, where clearly understood to be pathological. Therefore, in the 20th and 21st centuries also, the point of view should be expressed through a surface.
Well, a question arises concerning a small detail regarding Sartre's formulation: "All depths require a surface". Alas, it seems, the surface is too often cultivated as a substitute for a depth. Which leads some to the conclusion that all who emphasize the surface must therefore be superficially engaged. No-no. The depth commands the expression, thus, the old biblical notion holds good: "Know them by their fruits".
The puritan ethos is still with us, which converse to the attitude of individuality, is not entirely negative. In my experience I find the ones with the greatest depth often have the most conventional appearances. But it is also true that one goes hunting for a neurosis when one attempts to comport the surface to conform to some societal norms when those norms are out of harmony with the inner world. To model the surface as an expression of the inner world is indeed a complex business. I'd dare to suggest, however, that the OP did not have such an ambitious project in mind. Rather, the question was not general, but specific: what are the specific preferences in male appearance for the ladies here. The OP has not declared, however, his motivation in making this query. I'd like to reveal the secret at this time as I am contemplating a career change. I'd like to be one of those fellows who writes the article in Cosmo, with titles such as: "Your relationship: hot or not". Armed with the information I gather here, and the methods of statistical science garnered from a lifetime of labor in the field, might propose an article with a tile such as: "Elephantine shocker - the ladies like a looker too!".
Our current sample size in response is rather low and so the conclusions I draw from this study must be presented with the caveat of low statistical confidence. This concerns me, and so while still interested in ladies positions on the question raised in the originating post, I, however, at this time, do also authorize responses intended to offer council to me on my emerging career ambitions.
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Misha as always - is a source of distilled wisdom :blowkiss:
Спасибо 8)
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The OP has not declared, however, his motivation in making this query. I'd like to reveal the secret at this time as I am contemplating a career change. I'd like to be one of those fellows who writes the article in Cosmo, with titles such as: "Your relationship: hot or not". Armed with the information I gather here, and the methods of statistical science garnered from a lifetime of labor in the field, might propose an article with a tile such as: "Elephantine shocker - the ladies like a looker too!".
Our current sample size in response is rather low and so the conclusions I draw from this study must be presented with the caveat of low statistical confidence. This concerns me, and so while still interested in ladies positions on the question raised in the originating post, I, however, at this time, do also authorize responses intended to offer council to me on my emerging career ambitions.
For an article in glossy things like Cosmo, perhaps it would make sense to google something like 'male appearance', read through the findings, jot down a few key words, think a little bit, and compile an essay without lots of thinking. For a women magazine, that should do ;)
We read Officiel, Hello, Elle and others not for the articles, but for the photos :) Looking at the photos, we made our minds working in the direction that is wanted by our souls ;)
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I like an imprint of intellect on a man's face (eyeglasses do help.8)) A face without a trace of thought on it, be it as handsome as a Greek god's, will not impress me in the least.
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I'd like to be one of those fellows who writes the article in Cosmo
"Elephantine shocker - the ladies like a looker too!".
You'd have to seriously downgrade your vocabulary and style to appeal to Cosmo's audience. ;)
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I like an imprint of intellect on a man's face (eyeglasses do help.8))
Someone like this? Is this a good angle?
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Someone like this? Is this a good angle?
This is even better:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RgRRLzOyJnsD4M:http://www.wfpk.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/050405_einstein_tongue.widec1.jpg)
A perfect specimen of male beauty. :P
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If a woman can find a good man, she won't care what color your Rolls Royce is. ;)
Check out the choices a guy with two Mercedes in the garage has. There is an element of "What colour the car is" in any relationship, often more so in an international relationship and in some cases all so. They all care about the colour of the car and most will brag to their mates one way or another if the "Car colour" is a cut above the pack. Don't ever kid yourself otherwise.
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oh well, just the appearance? okay here we go:
1. no hygienic issues
2. reasonably fit
3. no beard/mustache
4. short haircut
5. tidy hands (incl. nails)
6. appropriate footwear of good quality
... this will do for now :)
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oh well, just the appearance? okay here we go:
1. no hygienic issues
2. reasonably fit
3. no beard/mustache
4. short haircut
5. tidy hands (incl. nails)
6. appropriate footwear of good quality
... this will do for now :)
I like that list. It focuses on more than how much money someone makes or superficial qualities. It is the list of a thinking person. I particularly like the part about the shoes. Shoes/footwear are a detail that many people overlook.
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Intelligence smelligence any man that look like this (or acted like this) would have any woman wrapped around his trigger finger. ;D
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJGgS9wIJiI[/youtube] 5 seconds
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If we talk about Hollywood male appearances, I'd say that Cloonie is okay. However, in my personal opinion, no other man on American screen outcompetes this one, when it comes to appearance:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzj7STruKgQ[/youtube]
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For sheer Hollywood coolness, nobody tops Steve McQueen in my book. 8)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephyLFTR2so&feature=related[/youtube]
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OK ladies, here's a question I'm sure all the guys would like to know the answer to.
What do you prefer (find sexier)? An undershirt or no undershirt? Boxers or briefs or maybe a thong or going commando?
I forgot to include boxer-briefs. Kind of silly, because that's what I wear.
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OK ladies, here's a question I'm sure all the guys would like to know the answer to.
What do you prefer (find sexier)? An undershirt or no undershirt? Boxers or briefs or maybe a thong or going commando?
I forgot to include boxer-briefs. Kind of silly, because that's what I wear.
Dave, I don't think that I even know what things you are talking about :)
It is not important what is on. It is important WHO wears it.
I mean, a right person may wear anything and still be sexy for a woman. A guy however about who a woman does not feel right, may be a style icon but it doesn't help him. :(
Oh yes, almost forgot. His underwear must be clean :)
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For sheer Hollywood coolness, nobody tops Steve McQueen in my book. 8)
You are right there. There used to be saying "A man's man". The kind of man that other men would respect. Clark Gable was said to be that. Now as far as their ultimate attractiveness to women they might not be. Although I am betting they would still need a baseball bat to fight them off. The thing with a "man's man" he wouldn't care if he was ultimate in appeal to women or not. Which I would think to women would make him even more appealing. Self assurance etc.
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Oh yes, almost forgot. His underwear must be clean :)
O No!
Bad news, man, bad news!
:thumbsdown:
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my personal preference is
- no undershirt
- boxers
hope no one's going to ask about the ladies' expectations in the downstairs department?.. ::)
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hope no one's going to ask about the ladies' expectations in the downstairs department?.. ::)
Seems like you are just dying to tell. Perhaps you are one of those ladies who just loves a man's hands -- especially when big.
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Dave, I don't think that I even know what things you are talking about :)
It is not important what is on. It is important WHO wears it.
I mean, a right person may wear anything and still be sexy for a woman. A guy however about who a woman does not feel right, may be a style icon but it doesn't help him. :(
Oh yes, almost forgot. His underwear must be clean :)
Lily, here in the United States it's a common subject, talked about jokingly among friends. They even made a commercial about it.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9WcqG0kEqE[/youtube]
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Seems like you are just dying to tell.
--- wrong.
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Where is the fun in that?
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OK ladies, here's a question I'm sure all the guys would like to know the answer to.
Boxers or briefs or maybe a thong or going commando?
I forgot to include boxer-briefs. Kind of silly, because that's what I wear.
doesn't matter what kind of underwear as long as its owner has nice booty ;D
The opposite is also true :(
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Why am I thinking this thread is headed for a "skid mark"? :rolleyes2:
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I like that list. It focuses on more than how much money someone makes or superficial qualities. It is the list of a thinking person. I particularly like the part about the shoes. Shoes/footwear are a detail that many people overlook.
While,many people overlook shoes ,
I dont think any women in the FSU ever has.
A mans entire character seems to be able to be judged by it..
;D
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Oh yes, almost forgot. His underwear must be clean :)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lw5C1LudbY[/youtube]
(for you I/O)
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While,many people overlook shoes ,
I dont think any women in the FSU ever has.
A mans entire character seems to be able to be judged by it..
;D
A couple of clever, attractive, single AW told me that in the first minute or so of meeting a new man at a singles bars they will check out his shoes and his watch.
Now you know. A man should buy high quality shoes anyway (for the same reason as a high quality mattress). And keep them shined.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lw5C1LudbY[/youtube]
(for you I/O)
:ROFL: :ROFL:
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A couple of clever, attractive, single AW told me that in the first minute or so of meeting a new man at a singles bars they will check out his shoes and his watch.
Now you know. A man should buy high quality shoes anyway (for the same reason as a high quality mattress). And keep them shined.
I've always worn the highest quality italian motocross boots Gator ,perhaps that explains my good fortune..(even if they are often dirty and not shined)
:ROFL:
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I wouldn't put too much stock into the words of women trolling for men in singles bars (or, as my better half refers to them, "vipers' nests").
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I wouldn't put too much stock into the words of women trolling for men in singles bars (or, as my better half refers to them, "vipers' nests").
And men trolling for women...for sure it was just casual sex. However, the essence of hope was bouncing around in the subconscious background even if denied consciously, frequently for emotionally defensive reasons.
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By appearance you mean his body or his clothes? For body i like six-pack you can wash clothes on and big big biceps :P Face should be manly, not a sweet boy feminine type face like Leo di Caprio and such. For clothes, i have a weak spot for men in suits and classical coats, but thats not every day attire. Jeans are fine :) Just dont tuck your shirt or ESPECIALLY t-shirt into the pants :P Also shoes arent top priority for me, but they have to be normal, not super dirty or old, just normal shoes. Couldnt care less about the watch, who needs a watch when you have a cell phone?
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The main ingredient to looking good, no matter what you are wearing is looking confident. You may wear armani suit and swiss watch and be extremely uncomfortable with it, it will show and will not look good at all. Just wear what you are comfortable with :)
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oh also i really hate when i can see chest hair, its really repulsive, unless i already know i like the guy, or unless he looks like a god. In all other cases seeing chest hair is disgusting. (too low neck t-shirt or too much hair that it sticks out of a normal t-shirt or shirt, its awful awful awful awful). I dont have anything at all against chest hair on a naked or topless man or in a bathing suit, its just with casual clothes chest hair showing out of clothes on strange men really repulses me :P
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here this tv show host is a very bright example; ew :rolleyes2:
http://www.vtm.be/sites/www.vtm.be/files/imagecache/vtm_be_gallery_big/assets/000/277/36.jpg
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I really like girl's outfit :)
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Couldnt care less about the watch, who needs a watch when you have a cell phone?
Aloe, I love you! :blowkiss:
here this tv show host is a very bright example; ew :rolleyes2:
http://www.vtm.be/sites/www.vtm.be/files/imagecache/vtm_be_gallery_big/assets/000/277/36.jpg
Yeah, but at least his t-shirt isn't tucked in his pants.
I really like girl's outfit :)
Cute outfit, cute girl, but what's up with the pierced eyebrow(?)
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doesn't matter what kind of underwear as long as its owner has nice booty ;D
The opposite is also true :(
You mean it doesn't matter what kind of booty as long as its owner has nice underwear? 8) Now that's just plain weird! ;D
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A couple of clever, attractive, single AW told me that in the first minute or so of meeting a new man at a singles bars they will check out his shoes and his watch.
Now you know. A man should buy high quality shoes anyway (for the same reason as a high quality mattress). And keep them shined.
Bah, put on the shiny shoes and Tag Hauer and she'll find out about the dirty underwear eventually and it'll be all over.
Sociology is always fun, always interesting to see what gets the rise out of people. And a life can not be well lived if not well acted. Role play is always part of the game. People say they should be who they are but there is no fundamental basis for the personality. A book I read some years ago was conducted by a sociologist who studied behavior in singles bars. His shocking conclusion: the women who got the most hits looked great and the men who got the most hits displayed tokens of power: watch, Euro-car key ring, talked up a substantial position, etc. Most of what goes on between men and women has reference to the baby that would be produced between them. Take this view and many of the mysteries of M-F relations, involving RW or not, come clear.
Interesting entries so far. That a woman responds to appearance is hardly surprising. Given the obsession with clothing in R/U, however, I did expect more responses that emphasized quality and tailoring in the man's wardrobe.
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Read yesterday the article about male gaze in cinematography and art, and how it is related to rape culture:
http://www.chaskor.ru/article/muzhskoj_vzglyad_i_krasota_chelovecheskogo_tela_15910
sorry, article is too long to translate and is in russian.
summary: in a patriarchal cultures women are portrayed in art and cinema as "beautiful". Great attention is given to their body parts, and the beauty of body parts (boobs, hips, legs etc). We can see it in movies when camera follows females as they move or walk. The males in patriarchal culture normally aren't described as "beautiful", they may or may not be handsome, but handsomeness isn't their most important quality. Other qualities - such as strength, wisdom, power, wealth - are valued in males much more than physical/erotic attractiveness and aesthetic attractiveness. Women are taught by cultural norms not to pay too much attention to males and aren't allowed to express their own preferences openly. They should obey and respond to preferences and desires of heterosexual males.
there are also few paragraphs with examples from pornography and how society treats homosexual relationships - to reinstate the predominance of male gaze in patriarchal culture.
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I have a middle-eastern female friend. and she is openly telling me about her boyfriend/fiance: "Of course he isn't attractive. Male bodies are very unattractive, to put it simply - they are ugly, and extremely unaesthetic. What can be handsome in male bodies? Women are beautiful, men are not. And in sex - men in sex also are mediocre. But i am very beautiful and very good in sex - this is why my boyfriend loves me so much and values me so much. He cannot get any other woman nearly as good as me. Plus - I am very clever and very independent. Of course he wants me to stay at home, but I will not do that."
At first - I thought this is some kind of a joke, that she is making fun of me. But she is serious! She indeed believes so, believes so much that she doesn't feel it is strange to express her opinions - because she is quite confident that everyone else thinks the same way. She has a PhD, she has great job, her hobby is writing poetry and she writes beautiful poems. She is indeed beautiful and very sophisticated women. And go figure - she believes that men are ugly and they aren't good in sex and this is woman's job - to be beautiful and to make man happy in bed. And she absolutely isn't lesbian.
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Mies, sounds like she is confident. But how does she know she is good in bed.
Sounds like she has a weak man who she controls. Is her boyfriend middle eastern as well? Has she had a lot of sex partners who were not middle eastern. If not, she may find out down the road she is subpar.
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Mies, sounds like she is confident. But how does she know she is good in bed.
Sounds like she has a weak man who she controls. Is her boyfriend middle eastern as well? Has she had a lot of sex partners who were not middle eastern. If not, she may find out down the road she is subpar.
this has also puzzled me - how does she know she is good in bed. She had several bf's in the past, but not very many. accordingly to her words - she never dated any westerner.
Her man is also middle-eastern, he is CEO in mid-size successful company, works a lot, earns quite much, has great career etc.
btw - her bf looks fine - he is quite attractive, and nice man. I would never call him ugly.
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My older cousin lives in the middle east currently. Sex is a little different over there than here in the USA meaning the men are not as educated per my cousin. My cousin is not very attractive (actually dog ugly) but she was always able to get men in the middle east interested in her. Very successful men as well. Her second husband over there is really rich and her 1st husband is rich but ended up in jail in the USA for running a smuggling business on the side to not pay taxes on cigarettes which he sold at his 30 plus gas stations he owned. She is married to both of them currently and they both know this. Has couple children as well.
My experience with my dealings in Syria and Saudi Arabia were with joint ventures with Arab and USA based companies. The Arab owners loved having the quarterly board meetings in Paris, Milan, London, etc. They would fly their personal planes and rent out top fashion models at 20-30K plus a day and have sex and drugs and shopping trips all day. I should have asked these models how these Arabs owners performed in the sack.
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quite interesting stories you have, Kievstar :-)
how do you know those European models?
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I have a middle-eastern female friend. and she is openly telling me about her boyfriend/fiance: "Of course he isn't attractive. Male bodies are very unattractive, to put it simply - they are ugly, and extremely unaesthetic. What can be handsome in male bodies? Women are beautiful, men are not. And in sex - men in sex also are mediocre. But i am very beautiful and very good in sex - this is why my boyfriend loves me so much and values me so much. He cannot get any other woman nearly as good as me. Plus - I am very clever and very independent. Of course he wants me to stay at home, but I will not do that."
At first - I thought this is some kind of a joke, that she is making fun of me. But she is serious! She indeed believes so, believes so much that she doesn't feel it is strange to express her opinions - because she is quite confident that everyone else thinks the same way. She has a PhD, she has great job, her hobby is writing poetry and she writes beautiful poems. She is indeed beautiful and very sophisticated women. And go figure - she believes that men are ugly and they aren't good in sex and this is woman's job - to be beautiful and to make man happy in bed. And she absolutely isn't lesbian.
I tend to agree with her :D
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But how does she know she is good in bed.
Maybe she can be certified by a board member, any volunteers? :)
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In a social setting (restaurant, bar, hotel, Admiral's Club...) for anyone over 35, AW use 4 criteria in absolute descending order:
1. OK or repulsive (a man's idea of casual doesn't work here) to them.
2. Watch and shoes (HUGELY important - wish I had known that 25 years ago).
3. Conversation (be able to talk about ANYTHING other than sports basically).
4. The Company name you work for and your title on your business card (don't leave home w/o them).
It is a very strict order - you can't skip any step to get to the next.
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In a social setting (restaurant, bar, hotel, Admiral's Club...) for anyone over 35, AW use 4 criteria in absolute descending order:
1. OK or repulsive (a man's idea of casual doesn't work here) to them.
2. Watch and shoes (HUGELY important - wish I had known that 25 years ago).
3. Conversation (be able to talk about ANYTHING other than sports basically).
4. The Company name you work for and your title on your business card (don't leave home w/o them).
It is a very strict order - you can't skip any step to get to the next.
No disrespect intended... but I have never met that woman. American or otherwise. I guess I have been lucky.
Now in other ways have I made the best choices...?
Probably not. :)
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Restaurants/bars/hotels, etc. are not "social settings", and are probably not the greatest places to seek a long term relationship.
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Restaurants/bars/hotels, etc. are not "social settings", and are probably not the greatest places to seek a long term relationship.
Actually they are "social settings", but point taken - so add churches, grocery stores, fitness centers, and your office - doesn't matter, the priority list doesn't change... It's simply human nature and the default screening process (consciously or not) most all women use (well hopefully not the watch and shoes for church or gyms, but...). Pretty much the same for men - just substitute for #2 "Body Type".
If you are still waiting for someone to admire you for your "personality" and not care about the extra 50+ pounds or the sloppy appearance - hunker down my friend - you are in for a long wait. :)
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<i>Most</i> AW women don't pay attention to watches and shoes when they are looking for a mate.
You obviously have looked in the wrong places for a mate, and your attitude probably plays a role as well.
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About the only nice watch I ever owned is a Hamilton, and that was a gift. Good thing I never knew this is one of the first things women look at on men. Considering the time I spent and met women on the beaches of Socal, the shoes part is a whopper to me as well...must be the flip-flops they were eyeing on...hhmmmm.
Funny too how so may women experts actually pay for email contacts just to get dates, eh?
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Restaurants/bars/hotels, etc. are not "social settings", and are probably not the greatest places to seek a long term relationship.
Actually they are "social settings", but point taken - so add churches, grocery stores, fitness centers, and your office - doesn't matter, the priority list doesn't change... It's simply human nature and the default screening process (consciously or not) most all women use (well hopefully not the watch and shoes for church or gyms, but...). Pretty much the same for men - just substitute for #2 "Body Type".
If you are still waiting for someone to admire you for your "personality" and not care about the extra 50+ pounds or the sloppy appearance - hunker down my friend - you are in for a long wait. :)
Better watch out, your might get what you pay for. You think a woman who evaluates a man by watches and shoes is clued into what makes a relationship work?
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Funny too how so may women experts actually pay for email contacts just to get dates, eh?
Men do pay for email contacts, why women shouldn't?
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<i>Most</i> AW women don't pay attention to watches and shoes when they are looking for a mate.
You obviously have looked in the wrong places for a mate, and your attitude probably plays a role as well.
This came across harsher than I meant, spectris, and I apologize for that. What I meant was that if such superficial things matter to you in your search, or if you are looking for a woman for whom your watch and clothing are important, or if you look in the wrong places, you will find what you expect.
I will tell you what women universally are drawn to, and that is confidence. You don't even have to have confidence, you just have to project it. An ability to make a woman laugh will go a long way too.
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:) No apology necessary (but thank you).
And for the record, it's not "my" superficial search (I look for the smile, the hair, and then the body type - in that order) – I was speaking of what AW look for. My point was that you may have the best personality, most confidence and awesome intentions, but it won't matter if you don’t pass the initial "sniff" test. For example, one of my companies sells the very best 12V battery charger ever made (seriously - we have 100’s of testimonials, tests, endorsements, etc.), yet we struggle selling them. Why – because you have to look past the expectation to see the miracle of it and 99% of our prospective customers won’t make the effort <sigh>. Thankfully 1% do right? In business, I believe you have to deal with the realities of the marketplace and in a personal life; men after the age of 40-45 have to as well whether it should be so or not. I suspect that is why many of the men are on this board seeking advice and asking questions?
In a normal week I routinely meet several women and have many very good female friends (but all are 35+ -- so I can’t speak for younger ones, they only get my fatherly advice) and they universally agree on this point. Unless you are Brad Pitt-like (or Sean Connery-like whatever that is :>), you will be noticed for #1 overall looks (which is variable depending on that specific woman of course), and #2 your watch (doesn’t have to be a Rolex – just something you put thought into) and your shoes (appropriate for the occasion? Shined? Tied? Clean?) - argue if you want, but it's the truth - and why not? In an initial casual meeting what is a woman supposed to look for? When pressed, all agree these are stupid differentiators, but in an initial personal meeting (or trying to sell yourself online) – you have to deal with reality.
Honestly, I have very little to contribute about dating women from the FSU – my first trip is in a couple of weeks so I’m sure I will have more perspective afterwards, but now I have nothing. On the other hand, I have a lifetime of experience dating / marrying AW which seems to be a real void on this board…
All this wisdom cost me a new watch a couple of years ago – yet, I’m here too…
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Unless you are Brad Pitt-like (or Sean Connery-like whatever that is :>), you will be noticed for #1 overall looks (which is variable depending on that specific woman of course), and #2 your watch (doesn’t have to be a Rolex – just something you put thought into) and your shoes (appropriate for the occasion? Shined? Tied? Clean?) - argue if you want, but it's the truth - and why not? In an initial casual meeting what is a woman supposed to look for? When pressed, all agree these are stupid differentiators, but in an initial personal meeting (or trying to sell yourself online) – you have to deal with reality.
As I don't wear a watch and never shine my shoes it's damn lucky that I look like Brad Pitt then. :D
But seriously, I thought women were first attracted to eyes, smile, and hands. Beyond being clean, the clothes/watch/shoes thing was a secondary preference and not a deal breaker.
PS. I really like the not-too-subtle "look at my watch" pose in the avatar picture. ;)
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Well, there you go. That may well be the very best dating advice to date...
If and when you find the need or want to date AWs on either Match / eHarmony et al....best to take a nice photo of your watch and a pair of shoes as your online photo. Then just wait for the emails to come pouring in.
Spectris, just having fun with you. But curious, if this in fact is true, is it really that tough to find a good watch and a nice pair of shoes where you live?
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Yes, I think most women are attracted first to a man's eyes. However, everything is subjective. I have a girlfriend who has always been attracted only to large men - over 6', with large frames (chunky). Another liked men with body builder physiques. Yet another liked men who were thin, compact like say, a Johnny Depp physique. Most often, though, once you get beyond superficial physical attraction, it is personality that keeps a woman interested, and that, too, is very subjective.
I have never known a woman who was concerned with a man's watch or shoes, though I have known women who were more interested in a man's bank account than him, but I don't ever recall a woman discussing any of this, including the bank accounts, when talking about her man. But, you guys probably don't want to know what women say about their men.
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Yes, I think most women are attracted first to a man's eyes. However, everything is subjective. I have a girlfriend who has always only attracted to large men - over 6', with large frames (chunky). Another liked men with body builder physiques. Yet another liked men who were thin, compact like say, a Johnny Depp physique. Most often, though, once you get beyond superficial physical attraction, it is personality that keeps a woman interested, and that, too, is very subjective.
I have never known a woman who was concerned with a man's watch or shoes, though I have known women who were more interested in a man's bank account than him, but I don't ever recall a woman discussing any of this, including the bank accounts, when talking about their men. But, you guys probably don't want to know what women say about their men.
Our egos are easily bruised so we prefer to think that we are demi-gods in their eyes that can do no wrong. ;)
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I have never known a woman who was concerned with a man's watch or shoes
Many Russian women tend to look at shoes. Shoes are seen as a reflection of the man: if they are dirty and he does not take care of them, it is assumed that he is sloppy, unkempt, not very well organized. His shoes are seen as a reflection of his character.
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But, you guys probably don't want to know what women say about their men.
No-no. Bring it on, I'm always interested in these perspectives.
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Many Russian women tend to look at shoes. Shoes are seen as a reflection of the man: if they are dirty and he does not take care of them, it is assumed that he is sloppy, unkempt, not very well organized. His shoes are seen as a reflection of his character.
I don't think we're discussing whether or not shoes are polished (which would be a given) but rather, is he wearing sneakers vs Bruno Maglis.
No-no. Bring it on, I'm always interested in these perspectives.
Hmm, perhaps SJ is correct. Better to live in illusions. But, I'll think about it. I will say that generally, the way married women and single women talk (I mean serious relationships) about their men differs.
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Hmm, perhaps SJ is correct. Better to live in illusions. But, I'll think about it. I will say that generally, the way married women and single women talk (I mean serious relationships) about their men differs.
Married people in general speak differently about their spouses than singles do of their girlfriends/boyfriends. As for your comment about illusions, I'd like to remind you and everyone here of the words of the great Fichte: "The truth be told yet the world crumble". Give me girl secrets now!
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Many Russian women tend to look at shoes.
Hhhmmm...maybe that explains the social structure in Russia.
Shoes are seen as a reflection of the man: if they are dirty and he does not take care of them, it is assumed that he is sloppy, unkempt, not very well organized. His shoes are seen as a reflection of his character.
Pickle. What if he had a really, really nice watch on? As for reflection of character, the supposition will be that Ted Bundy would've been iconic in Russia.
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Hhhmmm...maybe that explains the social structure in Russia.
It also explains why Russian men are constantly cleaning their shoes ;) There is a reason why those little shoe brushes/sponges can be bought on virtually every street corner :evil: Though, my wife did tell me that she dated me in spite of my shoes ;)
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With all this talk about shoes, can we now interpret that what's important to a RW lies below the beltline?
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It also explains why Russian men are constantly cleaning their shoes ;) There is a reason why those little shoe brushes/sponges can be bought on virtually every street corner :evil: Though, my wife did tell me that she dated me in spite of my shoes ;)
Misha, people have to often get these sponges and brushes to clean their shoes because Russian streets are famous for incredible amounts of dirt and dust in every time of year. Every walk out the door is able to transform your black shoes into grey ones :(
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Misha, people have to often get these sponges and brushes to clean their shoes because Russian streets are famous for incredible amounts of dirt and dust in every time of year. Every walk out the door is able to transform your black shoes into grey ones :(
I know which is why it is easy to judge a man based on how much care he puts into keeping his shoes clean in spite of the dust and dirt as you certainly know :)
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"Spectris, just having fun with you. But curious, if this in fact is true, is it really that tough to find a good watch and a nice pair of shoes where you live?"
No problem, I'm having a little fun here myself - but I speak the truth. And I have many nice shoes and several nice wathes (one of which is REAL). I am leaving for Hong Kong tomorrow so if anyone wants me to pick up a "nice watch" I can absolutely get you a good deal!
Alas, I hope this volcanic ash doesn't disrupt my flights to Europe in a couple of weeks.
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I thought I would bump this topic up a bit.
This came across harsher than I meant, spectris, and I apologize for that. What I meant was that if such superficial things matter to you in your search, or if you are looking for a woman for whom your watch and clothing are important, or if you look in the wrong places, you will find what you expect.
I will tell you what women universally are drawn to, and that is confidence. You don't even have to have confidence, you just have to project it. An ability to make a woman laugh will go a long way too.
If you use money as bait don't be surprised if you catch gold diggers~ Quote paraphrased from a departed
former member here.
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Dave, I don't think that I even know what things you are talking about :)
It is not important what is on. It is important WHO wears it.
I mean, a right person may wear anything and still be sexy for a woman. A guy however about who a woman does not feel right, may be a style icon but it doesn't help him. :(
Oh yes, almost forgot. His underwear must be clean :)
This is about right I think for both men & women, vice versa.
However, I think that attention to the other either heightens or lessens with how much effort is put for what is worn, hair, etc.
If a dude turns up looking like he is homeless, creased, dirty clothing, mangled overgrown hair, hasn't washed for a week or more, well the girl would probably still be attracted but a lot of that attraction could be overlooked in her eyes, same vice versa.
If the same dude turns up in a decent suit, good hygiene and a neat haircut then that attention will be boosted more than usual with that lady. Same for a lady if she wears a sexy dress or a nice crop top.
If there is no natural attraction there then it won't matter what the guy or girl wears beyond the other admiring them a bit for it if well dressed.
I think women will vary on what they like for body shape, most probably not too skinny or too overweight. For men probably much the same not too skinny or too overwhelmed but there are always the odd exceptions to that I think.
I also think there can be exceptions to stuff like tattoos, beards, moustaches and guys & girls that dress a bit edgy say leather jackets but still wear clean gear.
So to sum up it's best to go in as best you can to gain maximum attention from the right woman in case that woman overlooks you for another guy she feels attraction to who gains her attention by being well dressed, and vice versa.
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A couple of clever, attractive, single AW told me that in the first minute or so of meeting a new man at a singles bars they will check out his shoes and his watch.
Now you know. A man should buy high quality shoes anyway (for the same reason as a high quality mattress). And keep them shined.
Lol, the hunting skills of a gold digging AW.
I get it though, us men mostly spend out money on a good shirt, trousers, suit, etc first and tend to focus heavily on that, possibly even pay a bit more than average for a haircut if hoping to impress
Shoes & watches are much lower down in our priority list and often overlooked. Watches might be better to not wear one than a cheap one as not so often worn nowadays. Shoes they know will separate a lot of men who don't really have big money from those that do, since most guys that don't have big money will get cheaper shoes to avoid them wearing out and losing money quicker as clothes tend to have greater longevity.
Most guys that are wealthy won't care and will buy good shoes anyway. I myself keep back my better shoes for dating and have some cheaper shoes for everyday use as I don't want to buy expensive shoes often.
I say most guys that are rich as I was on the train a few years ago and some woman on there was bemoaning to another about how a wealthy guy she knows wouldn't buy "nice shoes" as she put it but just cheap supermarket shoes. My guess is that he didn't want to encourage goldigging hoes as the one in question.
A smart move as who wants to be stuck with a woman who just wants them for their money, not a nice place to be. I think a guy can look decent wardrobe wise without going really expensive on clothes. Some expense is helpful as the quality and/or design of the clothing may be better but spending stupid money I don't think is needed unless just trying to hook such women for a one nighter.
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I wear a Timex watch that I bought for around $20 some 30 years ago.
Once a new business acquaintence commented on my good looking Rolex watch.
On one of my trips to Kharkiv, I took along another watch I had just purchased at Walmart for $20 or so. But it looked quite nice, had a black background and a couple of extra dials for timer and something else.
I kept this watch on Eastern Standard time so that I could quickly see what time it was back home.
I just laid this watch in a straw basket that was near the front entrance.
Several of the gals who came to my apartment admired this watch and commented on it.
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From Boe
I will tell you what women universally are drawn to, and that is confidence. You don't even have to have confidence, you just have to project it. An ability to make a woman laugh will go a long way too.
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My sense of humor had undoubtedly helped me a lot with the gals.
A couple of FSU gals told me I was much better at humor than some of the well known comedians.
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Shoes they know will separate a lot of men who don't really have big money from those that do, since most guys that don't have big money will get cheaper shoes to avoid them wearing out and losing money quicker as clothes tend to have greater longevity.
Most guys that are wealthy won't care and will buy good shoes anyway. I myself keep back my better shoes for dating and have some cheaper shoes for everyday use as I don't want to buy expensive shoes often.
This isn't for Trench, this for the newbies/lurkers who can learn something.
Your feet take you everywhere you go. In the FSU, you walk everywhere. Don't think about style
over substance. Think about high quality walking shoes, break in your shoes or your shoes will
break in your feet. Put some powder in them, rotate your shoes, don't wear the same pair two
days in a row. Wear cushioned socks. Take care of your feet! Never buy cheap shoes or boots.
Give them a polish from time to time to protect them and they will last longer.
Get a mani-pedi, your socks will last longer and FSUW will notice your feet are soft, if you find
one who agrees to roll around naked with you. A cheapster won't spend money on this but they
don't get many roll arounds either.
I haven't worn a watch since pagers came out. To me a watch is one more thing to deal with. I
don't do stuff or wear stuff just to do it. I don't have earrings, a necklace, bracelets, pinkie rings
and so on. After getting married, I wear a wedding band. You do you, if you feel naked without
a watch and/or hate pulling your phone out to check the time, go ahead and get a watch that
you like.
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Oh yes, almost forgot. His underwear must be clean :)
No underwear that isn't new goes into my suitcase. (I will wash it one time with downy)
and I put a dryer sheet or two in my suitcase. If things go well, somebody else will
wash them before going home.
Grizzled old bachelor in need of a woman is not what you want to be projecting here.
Cheap or sloppy old bachelor is worse.
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Grizzled old bachelor in need of a woman is not what you want to be projecting here.
Cheap or sloppy old bachelor is worse.
I was talking to a kind of Agency Business woman once, ran the Agency as opposed to bring an Agency girl. She said to me about the time a US guy turned up again the Airport to meet ond of her girls she was with. He was wearing a baseball cap, a baggy t-shirt and not so great pair of jeans, he kind of looked a bit scruffy/sloppy. Anyway, thx girl said to her, 'God! I hope we he's here for you and not me' as she kind of cringed. Apparently, she helped him get some better clothes while he was there and they got in well in the end, I think kind of git it together.
It just goes to show that there is something as a bad first impression. That girl may have had chemistry with the guy but if he is scruffy/sloppy looking then she would likely pass over him without getting to know him. For some reason the 'baseball cap, sloppy t-shirt & jeans' has kind of become an archetype vision of most US guys as so many US guys seem to dress like that, I don't know why it's not a great look even judging it as another guy.
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This isn't for Trench, this for the newbies/lurkers who can learn something.
Your feet take you everywhere you go. In the FSU, you walk everywhere. Don't think about style
over substance. Think about high quality walking shoes, break in your shoes or your shoes will
break in your feet. Put some powder in them, rotate your shoes, don't wear the same pair two
days in a row. Wear cushioned socks. Take care of your feet! Never buy cheap shoes or boots.
Give them a polish from time to time to protect them and they will last longer.
Get a mani-pedi, your socks will last longer and FSUW will notice your feet are soft, if you find
one who agrees to roll around naked with you. A cheapster won't spend money on this but they
don't get many roll arounds either.
I haven't worn a watch since pagers came out. To me a watch is one more thing to deal with. I
don't do stuff or wear stuff just to do it. I don't have earrings, a necklace, bracelets, pinkie rings
and so on. After getting married, I wear a wedding band. You do you, if you feel naked without
a watch and/or hate pulling your phone out to check the time, go ahead and get a watch that
you like.
Charming!
I would also add, get some gel inner soles if not already have to put inside your shoes. Since they came out I guess around almost a decade ago now they have been a lifesaver. I get them now for all my shoes & trainers unless they already come with one in. If it's the so called traditional padded inner soles rubbish the show & trainer manufacture majd out is Ooo so comfy chuck that crap out and stick in a gel sole, padded inner soles are never compy particularly on long walks. My feet have survived very long walks in Ukraine with little soreness using gel inner soles and recovered within a few minutes. If I had used the traditional so called padded inner soles my feet would have been as sore as hell and I would have been done for the day with Evening entertainment plans likely having to be written off.
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From Boe
I will tell you what women universally are drawn to, and that is confidence. You don't even have to have confidence, you just have to project it. An ability to make a woman laugh will go a long way too.
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My sense of humor had undoubtedly helped me a lot with the gals.
A couple of FSU gals told me I was much better at humor than some of the well known comedians.
Good humour can work well many places with many people. I don't dispute that. However, I think Boe's answer is more typical of what WW hold dear and seek. The 'make me laugh' phrase is so painfully WW/Western dating site famous phrasebook phrase to most WM it is excruciatingly painful to hear that one churned out so often. Apparently, women may just mean that they prefer a man who is not so serious all the time than a comedian who is being funny, they may like that also of course, but someone who is lighthearted, humourous maybe and not heavy going. That's what I discovered over a girl online anyway.
Confidence varies, again it's how a woman means it/interpretation of it. I tend to support the social proof argument that you can't be confident unless there is a reason to be as it will show. However, it might just mean a guy who is willing to step forward and deal with the ticket booth seller, shop assistant, asking if directions, hotel desk receptionist, etc or moving with purpose, etc than any great deal on that front. Possibly again that might be more that a FSW sees it than a WW or possibly both. I don't fully know for sure in that stuff but it's the impression I get, it may vary between women globally what they sed the above as and what they want/prefer.
A lot of those online dating site profile demands are kind of pointless as people can end up being attracted to all sorts in person even if it wasn't quite in ball park if what they wished for.
I don't know if Boe is still going, she doesn't seem to check in here anymore. Got the impression she was a bit on the hefty side. I never minded her though even though she was usually in disagreement with me.
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He was wearing a baseball cap, a baggy t-shirt and not so great pair of jeans, he kind of looked a bit scruffy/sloppy.
Unless you are a bald redhead who will burn alive in the sun don't wear a ball cap.
A baggy t-shirt and lousy jeans? Suicide
Exception?
You're an American, Canadian, Ozzy, Kiwi, going a day early and wanted to dress ultra comfy for the
99 hours of flying, then have a day to sleep, scrape off the barnacles and polish everything up. Even
then I would probably not bring the baggy t-shirt, if you must have a tee, then get a new sharp one.
I did a trip to Lugansk with a long lay over in Kiev. I had Pavel pick me up, he drove me to his home.
I ate some of his wife's borscht, polished up then slept a solid couple hours on his couch, she ironed
up my clothes while I slept and back to the airport. I arrived in Lugansk looking and smelling like I
would for a date in the ole US of A.
Attention Noobs Visit One first visit Pro Tip:
First time you see her, go in for the hug. Then pick her up and spin her around and go in to her
neck like Dracula. DON'T bite her just growl. I had 100% squeal/laughter success rate.
I was a Freshman in High School watching the varsity basketball game. After the buzzer all the
cheerleaders run onto the court. One of them ran to this really sooooo..... cool star on the team
and he did that.
I said to myself that someday I would do that. 4 Cheerleaders, 3 FSUW VO trips later and I still
swear by it.
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Unless you are a bald redhead who will burn alive in the sun don't wear a ball cap.
A baggy t-shirt and lousy jeans? Suicide
Exception?
You're an American, Canadian, Ozzy, Kiwi, going a day early and wanted to dress ultra comfy for the
99 hours of flying, then have a day to sleep, scrape off the barnacles and polish everything up. Even
then I would probably not bring the baggy t-shirt, if you must have a tee, then get a new sharp one.
I did a trip to Lugansk with a long lay over in Kiev. I had Pavel pick me up, he drove me to his home.
I ate some of his wife's borscht, polished up then slept a solid couple hours on his couch, she ironed
up my clothes while I slept and back to the airport. I arrived in Lugansk looking and smelling like I
would for a date in the ole US of A.
Attention Noobs Visit One first visit Pro Tip:
First time you see her, go in for the hug. Then pick her up and spin her around and go in to her
neck like Dracula. DON'T bite her just growl. I had 100% squeal/laughter success rate.
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I was a Freshman in High School watching the varsity basketball game. After the buzzer all the
cheerleaders run onto the court. One of them ran to this really sooooo..... cool star on the team
and he did that.
I said to myself that someday I would do that. 4 Cheerleaders, 3 FSUW VO trips later and I still
swear by it.
That's a good one Beel, I wish I had fucked Cheerleaders also, ah the American lifestyle :)
I would say though if you don't catch onto much chemistry in the initial first moment then consider aborting to a just a hug, moreso perhaps if you don't feel it for the girl.
Nothing worse than building up the feelings a woman has for you just to give her an extra hard landing on a dumping. I just don't have the heart to do that to a girl, it can feel just heartless.
Same with the present, potentially take two, an expensive one you'll give to her if you want to see her again and a cheaper one if you don't. Keep one back and give her whichever one depending on the situation. Again you don't want to build up expectation & her feelings for you only to shatter that soon after. An expensive gift that she may like and not want to part with might only make things worse particularly as it may remind her of the time. It also means long term you'll save money as you can ready the same expensive gift time over :D
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I wish I had fucked Cheerleaders also, ah the American lifestyle :)
Trench, if you weren't such a woman hater, you might of had a chance with an FSUW
some day. You can only hide your true self so long and then you are going to be figured
out and lose whoever you tried to trick. It won't work long term. Maybe you are just
trolling?
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Trench, if you weren't such a woman hater, you might of had a chance with an FSUW
some day. You can only hide your true self so long and then you are going to be figured
out and lose whoever you tried to trick. It won't work long term. Maybe you are just
trolling?
Where have I ever hated women? I wouldn't be here if that was so. I love women but not WW apart from the physical form. Few WW I find have a decent mindset towards men because of feminism. WW are so self entitled, it's ok to communicate with many day to day but getting into a relationship with one of they even think you are all that enough for them is often not great. They often want stupidly more than what they are and have an all too high laudyness about them.
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that deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure plays a MEAN Pinball
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Where have I ever hated women? I wouldn't be here if that was so. I love women but not WW apart from the physical form. Few WW I find have a decent mindset towards men because of feminism. WW are so self entitled, it's ok to communicate with many day to day but getting into a relationship with one of they even think you are all that enough for them is often not great. They often want stupidly more than what they are and have an all too high laudyness about them.
I have never dated a woman like the Western feminist woman you have described and certainly not in
high school or uni. The type of girl who goes into cheerleading is not the Feminism type. Cheerleaders
have tryouts, 9 out of 10 don't make it.
The feminist type has never looked at me and thought "that's what I want!" likewise, I never looked at
one of them and thought, oooohhh........ I want her. We mutually exclude each other. I am very happily
married. When I was single, I would flirt with women and they were flirty back. That's how it worked.
Go back to read Daveman's advice about talking to women. Pro-tip: talking works. Don't try to
skip this step.
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I love women but not WW apart from the physical form.
No you don't, proof below
My answer was to keep a Ukrainian girl in Ukraine to avoid such.
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No you don't, proof below
Hoe is that hating women? It means I love the woman so I wouldn't want to give her up to another guy or risk messing up the way she is by taking her to the West.
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Cheerleaders have tryouts, 9 out of 10 don't make it.
That means a lot of girls must turn out to try out for, roughly 9 times the size of the Cheerleading Squad turn up for Tryouts then. I'm surprised so many turn up to try out! Why do so many girls turn up for Tryouts?
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That means a lot of girls must turn out to try out for, roughly 9 times the size of the Cheerleading Squad turn up for Tryouts then. I'm surprised so many turn up to try out! Why do so many girls turn up for Tryouts?
Supply and demand. Cheerleaders are almost always universally popular. Many like the attention
dancing and performing in front of a large crowd. What girl doesn't want to be popular?
I've never known a single one of them to be feminists.
Feminism is unnatural.
"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society."
Quote Rush Limbaugh